Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004 on 4/20/05 11:38 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samadhi is an obstacle to samadhi which is why the darshan is needed which is why Guru Dev used an open eye meditation technique. It's very important to see the ground state asap, all other mental extrapolation of the ground state is dangerous. Noone should have any sort of ego over experiences as they're a dime a dozen. I've talked to people that see full blown deities all the time and yet are functional in their daily jobs. Masters. Just to know of them proves alot. Consider this. Raaj Raam got his weight in gold for it, so for those of you of the Movement, that's all the more reason to open your eyes. All three. And share your appreciation maybe off list amongst yourselves since FF is very much still ego. One of you will light the flame of another until the room is bright. Don't be scared of trusting yourselves. You have all the teachings of all the ages already in your hands, so roll um up. Quite eloquent, for a guy who has sex and hamburgers for breakfast. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
--- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:33 PM, lupidus108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > But to those who experience the ever > expanding > > > > universe as a > > > > > neverending, pulsating body of bliss on a > daily > > > > basis, as a result of > > > > > practices given by MMY, what good is a book > ? > > > > > > > > Well "the practices given by MMY" came from a > > > > book--maybe they could > > > > transcend the pleasure state. Bliss kittens > make > > > > nice pets, but that's > > > > about it. Maybe a good read would ground them > enough > > > > to snap out of it? > > > > > > > > The pleasure from samadhi is an obstacle to > samadhi. > > > > > > They have to be eaten by That to transcend this > > > addiction to bliss. Bliss is stupid. > > > > Thats about the most stupid comment I've read. I > suppose you never > > experienced it. > > Hey Peter, was it off-world-beings that unloaded > numerous insults on > you a couple of months ago? Anyway, this phrase; > "the most stupid > comment I've read" is another beauty but it still > falls behind the > one leveled at you by I think, OWB, the classic of > classics: "You > are so stupid". That's got to be one of my favorites > of all times. > > Rick Carlstrom lubidus108 is cool though. Note he said a stupid comment, not a stupid commentator! And it is, at first glance, a pretty stupid comment without any explanation attached to it. -Peter and Peterer > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
Bliss is a trap that can suck the mind into samsaraforever. Cosmic heroin.-Peterananda-ji---Good point, which is why one must be a tantric master. One cannot hope to withstand Kali so one must be skillful in action and make her happy. This is truely the only way. Karma will suck you back down a million times without her provenance. Though if I only could. My negative nature seems to continue on regardless, but at least I aspire. That's a start. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
Samadhi is an obstacle to samadhi which is why the darshan is needed which is why Guru Dev used an open eye meditation technique. It's very important to see the ground state asap, all other mental extrapolation of the ground state is dangerous. Noone should have any sort of ego over experiences as they're a dime a dozen. I've talked to people that see full blown deities all the time and yet are functional in their daily jobs. Masters. Just to know of them proves alot. Consider this. Raaj Raam got his weight in gold for it, so for those of you of the Movement, that's all the more reason to open your eyes. All three. And share your appreciation maybe off list amongst yourselves since FF is very much still ego. One of you will light the flame of another until the room is bright. Don't be scared of trusting yourselves. You have all the teachings of all the ages already in your hands, so roll um up. - Original Message - From: lupidus108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> > > > > > On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:33 PM, lupidus108 wrote:> > > > > But to those who experience the ever expanding> > universe as a> > > neverending, pulsating body of bliss on a daily> > basis, as a result of> > > practices given by MMY, what good is a book ?> > > > Well "the practices given by MMY" came from a> > book--maybe they could > > transcend the pleasure state. Bliss kittens make> > nice pets, but that's > > about it. Maybe a good read would ground them enough> > to snap out of it?> > > > The pleasure from samadhi is an obstacle to samadhi.> > They have to be eaten by That to transcend this> addiction to bliss. Bliss is stupid.Thats about the most stupid comment I've read. I suppose you never experienced it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to:> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/> > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides!> http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguideTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
--- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:33 PM, lupidus108 wrote: > > > > > > > But to those who experience the ever expanding > > > universe as a > > > > neverending, pulsating body of bliss on a > daily > > > basis, as a result of > > > > practices given by MMY, what good is a book ? > > > > > > Well "the practices given by MMY" came from a > > > book--maybe they could > > > transcend the pleasure state. Bliss kittens make > > > nice pets, but that's > > > about it. Maybe a good read would ground them > enough > > > to snap out of it? > > > > > > The pleasure from samadhi is an obstacle to > samadhi. > > > > They have to be eaten by That to transcend this > > addiction to bliss. Bliss is stupid. > > Thats about the most stupid comment I've read. I > suppose you never > experienced it. No, I experience profound, deep, over-whelming waves of bliss. That's why I can call it "stupid" because it is powerful, powerful maya. The experience of bliss has nothing to do with consciousness. Bliss is the outward movement of consciousness into the relative. Bliss is a trap that can suck the mind into samsara forever. Cosmic heroin. -Peterananda-ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over > 17,000 guides! > > http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
on 4/19/05 3:44 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > You think those pictures and video of people hopping is just expensive > special effects? Sure used to see it a lot on TV. I remember when they > broadcast the 1st yogic flying competition on the Washington news. > I was there. I also remember the posters that showed someone "flying" across a room. But Maharishi told them to leave out the landing shots. So all you saw was a series of photos with the girl in the air, each one farther across the room, giving the impression that she was flying 30 feet or so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
I guess the question would be, is there a defference between personality and ego. How much does personality depend on identification with the body or as the body? Is there an I-sense that can exist beyond the body?Rick CarlstromWhen the I self sees itself as a huge totality and not as some small portion. Then one sees karmic traces which just will never stop, except by burning themselves up, and then they become stars. Stars in your eyes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
on 4/19/05 12:16 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > These texts are very explicit on how to > attain CC. One thing they insist: use Patanjali as part of that path. > You know the bizarre thing? They insist you skip the entire siddhis > portion, ESPECIALLY the levitation siddhi! They also warn on > channelling, other beings, etc. Otherwise it is said you will NEVER > obtain CC. Period. Would you mind posting a few key verses for us? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:33 PM, lupidus108 wrote: > > > But to those who experience the ever expanding > universe as a > > neverending, pulsating body of bliss on a daily > basis, as a result of > > practices given by MMY, what good is a book ? > > Well "the practices given by MMY" came from a > book--maybe they could > transcend the pleasure state. Bliss kittens make > nice pets, but that's > about it. Maybe a good read would ground them enough > to snap out of it? > > The pleasure from samadhi is an obstacle to samadhi. They have to be eaten by That to transcend this addiction to bliss. Bliss is stupid. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
Vaj,This along with your prior comments on darshana (view) as preceeding but not the same as experience is clarifying. its interesting thatsome proclaim they are in BC and that Brahman is an "understanding"not an experience. This sounds like a darshana. What is yourtraditions' and teachers' perspective on this?Could it be possible that one could become absorbed in a darshana ofBrahman -- and this enlivens shakti to some degree? And you then get alot of egomaniacs spouting from the POV of their shaktiexperiences--their subtle egos?Presence has something about it. That presence is you. In you are all the things that can be known and also the unknown. The unknown becomes darshana in the view. Because the senses really can fathom presence. Not that I would know or anything. I can't claim Brahman at all. I wish, but it would be far away at this point. The most I can comprehend are a few angels sitting on the rim of my CC'c coffee. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:33 PM, lupidus108 wrote: > But to those who experience the ever expanding universe as a > neverending, pulsating body of bliss on a daily basis, as a result of > practices given by MMY, what good is a book ? Well "the practices given by MMY" came from a book--maybe they could transcend the pleasure state. Bliss kittens make nice pets, but that's about it. Maybe a good read would ground them enough to snap out of it? The pleasure from samadhi is an obstacle to samadhi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:07 PM, lupidus108 wrote: > To what "tradition" do you refer ? The Shankaracharya tradition. > > Do you believe something must be correct just because that thinking has > been the fashion for the last, say 500 years ? No, it is has to be successful at waking people up. > It seems you have lost MMY's main point: the siddhis are a only > sideeffects of the growth of consciousness and per ce not interesting. > Thats why MMY himself does not show these effects to the public. Well, unfortunately it did not work out that way. You think those pictures and video of people hopping is just expensive special effects? Sure used to see it a lot on TV. I remember when they broadcast the 1st yogic flying competition on the Washington news. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
On Apr 19, 2005, at 3:48 PM, lupidus108 wrote: > May I ask who/what "they" are to which you refer ? Vidyaranya specifically, one of the Shankaracharyas, but also Patanjali and others. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
On Apr 19, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Rick wrote: > Well, I didn't really mean which tradition, I guess I was just asking > what is it that makes any tradition "gospel"? That it has a continuous worth in actually enlightening people. That's the only tradition that's worthwhile in this context. In that vein the current Shankaracharya of Sringiri has not only has translated these works (on CC) but has written commentaries. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
On Apr 19, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Real wrote: > What constitutes the "tradition".? The Shankaracharya tradition was what I was referring to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
All dharma violators who cross concepts from one stateof awakening to another will be brought out of theashram and forced to eat a steak (cooked perfectly byRJ in a fine cognac sauce with sauted onions) and havesex with a non-meditator at dawn.---Yes, just so, and quite reminds me of me now that you mention it. My wife is a non meditator, and she and I have sex at dawn usually and then often go to Shoney's for hamburgers, yeah at 7 am. and back in the worse days I liked to have a few drinks with my breakfast (not at Shoney's obviously - don't go running out to check the menu), but those days of awakening, well, the worst has passed, I hope. I like to think awake now not awakening. There cannot be Dharma violators amongst aspirants to Dharma, just nondharma/nonpractitioners. The Dharma is an aspiration to right wrongs, clean the impure, and turn the dark to light, by becoming all those things simultaneously. It's the only way to accept responsibility and to therefore practice in actuality. One can only practice on themselves, to think otherwise is to be looking somewhere that doesn't exist. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
On Apr 19, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Real wrote: > My personal experience with the TMSiddhi program in total is that > nothing previous to this practice has so clearly cultivated the > growth of silence into my daily life. Having said that, I tend to > think that the Siddhi practice especially the flying sutra was > brought out by MMY more for the effect it would have on the world as > a whole rather than how it immediately rescue the practicioner from > the world of dharma and suffering. I suspect that the majority of us > here have so far to go before we are fully disentangled from our > masses of karmic knots that it's better we concentrate on cleaning > our house rather than vacating it. In short, for most the TMSiddhi > practice or something like it is the most appropriate action for now. That still doesn't answer the question of the tradition. The tradition says one thing, MMY advocates something entirely different. What is advocated is not a "sudden" path--it is a gradual path. But it definitely does not advocate siddhis. In fact, it goes so far as to say these will prevent CC and BC. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:55 PM, akasha_108 wrote: > This along with your prior comments on darshana (view) as preceeding > but not the same as experience is clarifying. its interesting that > some proclaim they are in BC and that Brahman is an "understanding" > not an experience. This sounds like a darshana. What is your > traditions' and teachers' perspective on this? “ Meditation is not; getting used to is.” is a way he might describe the Primordial State and non-dual contemplation. > Could it be possible that one could become absorbed in a darshana of > Brahman -- and this enlivens shakti to some degree? And you then get a > lot of egomaniacs spouting from the POV of their shakti > experiences--their subtle egos? Doubtful. We were just discussing this on another list and one opinion I have always held is that *IF* MMY really wanted to get people to Cosmic Consciousness and if he really claimed to be representing the Shankaracharya Tradition, he would use the standard texts of the tradition on attainment of CC. These texts are very explicit on how to attain CC. One thing they insist: use Patanjali as part of that path. You know the bizarre thing? They insist you skip the entire siddhis portion, ESPECIALLY the levitation siddhi! They also warn on channelling, other beings, etc. Otherwise it is said you will NEVER obtain CC. Period. Now knowing this you can only conclude that the reason this traditional advice was ignored is because the idea of siddhis and levitation really is attractive to some people and really SELLS. And thousands of people have paid the price. Some with their health, others with their minds, yet others rant and rave on their enlightened status. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "jim_flanegin" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You are 100,000% right in finding this! > > > > > > Its good when things are 1000 times more right > than > > > ordinary right. > > > Then i am comforted that its really right. > > > > > > But wait, what if I find something that is > 10,000 > > > times more right. > > > Does that make the 1000 x right thing 10 times > less > > > right? > > > > > > Oh well, its all perfect, its all bliss. > > > > All dharma violators who cross concepts from one > state > > of awakening to another will be brought out of the > > ashram and forced to eat a steak (cooked perfectly > by > > RJ in a fine cognac sauce with sauted onions) and > have > > sex with a non-meditator at dawn. > > Im not sure Rory likes fine cognac sauce, but lets > try it out. String > the dharma violators up. > > > By the way, is "parody" a part of your vocabulary. > Or do I need to use > sanskrit? I fight parody with parody. Om Tat Sat. -Lord Ram > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > You are 100,000% right in finding this! > > Its good when things are 1000 times more right than > ordinary right. > Then i am comforted that its really right. > > But wait, what if I find something that is 10,000 > times more right. > Does that make the 1000 x right thing 10 times less > right? > > Oh well, its all perfect, its all bliss. All dharma violators who cross concepts from one state of awakening to another will be brought out of the ashram and forced to eat a steak (cooked perfectly by RJ in a fine cognac sauce with sauted onions) and have sex with a non-meditator at dawn. > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
In this world of "awakened" individuals so many seem to think that with just a slight shift in perspective they have seen the trick of bound individual ego revealed and now they are free. Sometimes I suspect that this is really just a first awakening that has more to do with understanding that you are not your personallity than it has to do with complete loss of ego.Rick Carlstrom---Try to not be your personality. Your personality is the entire expanse and range of all relative exerience from hell to heaven, and more besides. Try to not be your personality and then tell me who the ego is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
Thanks Bro - Original Message - From: Rory Goff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> > > Hey, welcome back! This whole thing is really beautiful. I have > missed you, RJ -- or do you prefer llundrub? > > ---I much prefer LlundrubLlundrub it is, then.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
Hey, welcome back! This whole thing is really beautiful. I have missed you, RJ -- or do you prefer llundrub? ---I much prefer Llundrub To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
--- crukstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > I think what I am wondering about is why is it so > important to get > rid of the "me"... Because "you" don't exist. The "me" or ego (a separate, private, psychological sense of self) is a delusion. Pure consciousness is identified or projected into boundaries and phenomenologically becomes those boundaries. Like Pantanjali's metaphor of the clear jewel being placed on top of a colored surface, appears to become the color of the the surface, but it is not the color. The source of "your" suffering is this strange delusion. -Peter (neither here nor there, nor anywhere, just like "you") __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
In traditional methods samyama is not taught on the formulae of pada three first. It's taught so as to quickly cultivate the "witness". If this is not done first you end up very possibly enslaving yourself to the subtle ego--all the while declaring your enlightenment from any nearby footstool.Hey guys, I'm back. It's RJ. Look I wanted to change that handle for quite awhile. This new handle suits me much better, and I would like to relate a strange experience. Mainly to you Vaj. Yesterday, I decided to do some asanas and as I was stretching I just sort of spaced out and started thinking about how I, that is, this personality is really Mahakali Herself, and then I just sort of let go on that line, and I said, well then, if I am Mahakali then she could just manifest in form right now in front of me since nothing should stop Mahakali from doing what she wants and if I want, and I am Her then She wants. And so I thought. So I was stretching and moved into this position on my stomach just resting while I was thinking, OK, then Mahakali just manifest then even if the vision kills me. I said, when I open my eyes I will see Mahakali. So I opened my eyes, no vision of Mahakali. But then I noticed what position I was in. I was in exact Vajradakini one legged stance with arms and legs in correct position. This was more profound to me than anything really. Because the desire to know matched the uncontrived position that I had taken. So there for me really is no right or left or black or white, or anything really separate from that immense ignorant faith in presence itself. Is this clear? We in the West are the real exponents of Kali. And She is just getting started. Her vision holds immense promise for future happiness. If one lives with faith. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:51 AM, crukstrom wrote: > I think what I am wondering about is why is it so important to get > rid of the "me", when it seems that the very essence of creation is > to make a me. The sense of "me-ness" or "i-ness" comes from ahamkara, the "i-maker". Ahamkara is shakti, the kundalini shakti herself. Whatever "masks" she wears are subtle and profound aspects of this same yogic ego. There is something else, shakti's mate, which must grow in relation to the unfoldment of "her" otherwise you end up attaching to these relative aspect of "her" (the ego). Many imagine they are enlightened and describe a vast array of subtle "experiences", celestial messages, OOBE etc. These are just expansion at the level of the ego. Ego-display. It's only when you expand enough to encompass ALL of it in a non-dual stance that you stop being conditioned by the "stress" that's causing the shakti-experience to arise in the first places. These things have to arise from a "cause". You want to go beyond that cause. If you can, it dissolves immediately. The problem with the TM-Sidhi method is that samyama, once attained, automatically awakens this power-behind-"I-ness". It awakens the shakti. Thus you tend to get a lot of egomaniacs spouting from the POV of their shakti experiences--their subtle egos. In traditional methods samyama is not taught on the formulae of pada three first. It's taught so as to quickly cultivate the "witness". If this is not done first you end up very possibly enslaving yourself to the subtle ego--all the while declaring your enlightenment from any nearby footstool. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
On Apr 18, 2005, at 12:26 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: > Another one bites the dust? Another one bites THAT. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
Another one bites the dust? --- markmeredith2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Article critical of Ramesh Balsekar: > > > > http://www.inner-quest.org/Real_Advaita.htm > > I'm not sure what to make of the charges concerning > balsekar, but I > highly recommend Timothy Conway's essay on advaita > and ethics towards > the bottom of this link. Here's a section from his > essay: > > It is terribly important to distinguish "the > Understanding" (one of > Ramesh's favorite terms to describe the "final > state") with authentic > liberation/moksha/nirvana. It's pretty easy for > anyone to come to the > former, a clear mental-intuitive understanding of > nondual teachings, > which brings a certain clarity, confidence and > mellow state (rather > like what Alan Watts once joked would provide most > people with a > "mystic experience": walk around for a week with > two-pound weights in > your shoes and then take the weights out and walk > around...) It's > quite another thing to be authentically free or > liberated from the > samskara-forces fueling an ego sense and pulling and > pushing it around > via the binding likes and dislikes. Just to have > "the understanding of > freedom" without genuine freedom is a colossal > illusion, and easily > degenerates into the kind of narcissism, lack of > empathy, and tendency > to exploit other sentient beings that we have > witnessed among so many > half-baked teachers. This is why, incidentally, the > great Ch'an/Zen > masters distinguish between the preliminary, > temporary > "enlightenments," what the Japanese Zen masters term > "satori" or > "kensho," and the final, real freedom of total > liberation: > anuttara-samyak-sambodhi. > > Yes, there is only the nondual One Awareness, right > HERE, right NOW. > Yes, ultimately "nothing matters." Yes, there is no > need to fabricate > and carry around any baggage of egoic striving, > regrets, loathing, or > self-loathing. But there needs to be accountability. > One must > genuinely LIVE the liberated state. Not just talk > about "the > Understanding." > > Jesus is alleged to have said, "By their fruits ye > shall know them: a > good tree produces good fruits, a rotten tree gives > rotten fruit." > That pretty much sums it up. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
On Apr 18, 2005, at 11:56 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: > Just to have "the understanding of > freedom" without genuine freedom is a colossal illusion, and easily > degenerates into the kind of narcissism, lack of empathy, and tendency > to exploit other sentient beings that we have witnessed among so many > half-baked teachers. This is why, incidentally, the great Ch'an/Zen > masters distinguish between the preliminary, temporary > "enlightenments," what the Japanese Zen masters term "satori" or > "kensho," and the final, real freedom of total liberation: > anuttara-samyak-sambodhi. Nice post, nicely conveyed! I think the problem with neo-advaita--and one of the reasons it so easily becomes pseudo-advaita is in so many cases it's real simple to create a feel-good state just talking a kind of non-dual poetics. Waxing poetic, with non-dual sentiment flavoring 't'aint IT. This leaves a great space for the sometimes well meaning to take center stage. Unfortunately there's often an ego that's also taking center stage... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
