Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors
Wow! Powerful! Wonder how long we have to wait for: One or more people to actually levitate World peace created in such a way that the entire world wants and begins to learn TM since they know it was the Movement that created world peace single handed (he predicted that you know) Statistical proof that entering a building through a south facing entrance causes multiple life problems Proof that England is anymore of a "scorpion nation" for supporting the US in Iraq than the US was for being in Iraq Real proof that the Maharishi Effect actually effects anything except peoples emotions Explanation that if the ME is real, why Maha told the TM teachers in England to leave and not teach or have yogic flying groups in England while Tony Blair was in his second term - I mean if ME is real, wouldn't the Scorpion Nation need it most? A full accounting of the finances of the Movement An explanation of why few if any Movement projects were ever made manifest What happened to the money that was contributed for the projects that never materialized An explanation as to why the leaders of the Movement which espouses peace, bliss and prosperity for all routinely behaved and behave in a manner that showed and continues to show an energy of fear, paranoia and inflexibility. Yep, Powerful! From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" wrote: > > > Could it evolution that homo-sapiens have this bizzare > tendency to draw bulls-eye after the arrow has been shot? > > Taking credit for "achievements" after the event has > happened. Ehm, how many Guru Purimah's did you spend with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ? At certain celebrations one would place a "wish-note" for Guru Dev in a box in the podium and later, if one so wished, speak out the wish. I personally witnessed several (Germans) who wished for an united Germany, this was in the '70s and '80s. Maharishi always said "It will happen". Now, how many of the nitwits in the audience who later left Him, some even have the nerve to post here claiming to be experts in esoteric matters, believed a word of that ? The rest of us simply, with time, witnessed the words of this great Master come through.
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On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Buck wrote: > ** > > > > > You've slept enough... > LOL..this is hilarious Buck baby, you are the spiritual slut sleeping with everyone and spamming us with all your paranoid, delusional, fantasized posts on your faithfulness to TM. > Tat Walla Baba and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, two sages of the later 20th > Century. The two saints met along with some student meditators. A student > then asked a question of the yogi Tat Walla Baba, "Do you sleep?" Maharishi > translated the question and Tat Walla Baba answered a reply and the two > sages just laughed and laughed with peels of laughter that went on. The > answer translated, "What would the world do if I slept?". > > Come to the Dome on Election Day , sit up and meditate for the world. > -Buck in the Dome > > > > Meditating at the Domes, plan now on helping with the large meditation > number on Tuesday. Each one helps. Get there early. Likewise Plan for large > turn outs at the Domes and plan also that parking in the parking lots will > be extra over-crowded outside the Domes. Please be orderly and timely. > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > It is not unknown to you, meditators , what disasters have befallen > here, and, in fact, our embarrassments would be at the insuperable pitch, > had not your qualities, which have been so often manifested, as meditator > sons and daughters of our movement. Hardly one among you but has > distinguished himself by some nobly memorable action: all these services to > the movement are known well, and we will never forget. > > > > > > > > We flatter ourselves, therefore, that in this case too nothing will > be wanting which the movement has a right to expect of your valor. The hour > is at hand. I should think we had done nothing, if we left the Field in > possession of non-meditators and the ill-illumined. Let me apprise you, > then: we intend, in spite of the Rules of Art and argument of our foes, to > attack the Princes of inertia and ignorance, which seems everywhere is > nearly thrice our strength, wherever we find it. The question is not of > their numbers, or the strength of their position: all this, by courage, by > the skill of our methods and meditation, we will try to make good. This > step we must risk, or everything is lost. We must beat the enemy, or perish > all of us before his batteries. So I read the case; so we must will and act > in it. Come to Meditation in the Dome. Come at first light to the Dome on > Election Day to uphold the day. Come join with us and I will be personally > grateful to each of you. > > > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Science seems to indicate that it would certainly be more > helpful to the whole effect if the people out in Maharishi Vedic City would > come to the Domes to meditate on Super Radiance Tuesday too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes those people out in Maharishi Vedic City who want to do their > exclusive thing, it's kind of embarrassing and shameful knowing what we do > that people who could come to the Domes to meditate would not. That is just > so small. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's true. The thing here is that this is massively clear in the > Science that it shall be practically more powerful and helpful done in > proximity by orders of magnitude in effect if those people out in Maharishi > Vedic City would come join the larger group meditation in the Domes > tomorrow on Election Day. And then also anybody who does not have a Dome > badge but who could do it should come up to the Dome parking lots to > meditate. Of course anybody else out in their populations should be > elementally helpful meditating at the same time. You got your orders, > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's more important to meet in the Absolute than in the dome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well you might hope that but actually the Science says that > proximity as in close-proximity is practically important in the M.E., > Meditators meditating and numbers of meditators together is what is > important here. Be together on this as close as you can be given all the > communal problem with securing valid Dome badges. Stay close and on time > with this. > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Buck > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 11:36 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meditating in the Dome parking lot is certainly a viable > alternative to being able to be inside the Domes if you can't get a badge. > Meditation can be made quite comfortable in your car outside the Domes. > Carpooling meditation is good too. Is pro
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How did that work with the Sandy? From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 4:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors The Science seems to indicate that it would certainly be more helpful to the whole effect if the people out in Maharishi Vedic City would come to the Domes to meditate on Super Radiance Tuesday too. > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon > wrote: > > > > It's more important to meet in the Absolute than in the dome. > > > > Well you might hope that but actually the Science says that proximity as in > close-proximity is practically important in the M.E., Meditators meditating > and numbers of meditators together is what is important here. Be together on > this as close as you can be given all the communal problem with securing > valid Dome badges. Stay close and on time with this. > -Buck > > > > > > From: Buck > > To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 11:36 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Meditating in the Dome parking lot is certainly a viable alternative to > > being able to be inside the Domes if you can't get a badge. Meditation can > > be made quite comfortable in your car outside the Domes. Carpooling > > meditation is good too. Is proly more important to be at the Domes than > > being diluted out and around in outlaying or satellite meditation areas > > spread around. > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > > Remember on Sat. Nite to set the clock back one hour and on Tuesday not > > > to set the country back 50 years. Meditators, remember also that social > > > security benefits will pay for you to stay meditating in the Domes in > > > your retirement years. Vote your pocket-book on Election Day to help > > > keep the group meditation numbers up and sustain the Domes in Fairfield. > > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > > Certainly the science is saying that it is very evident that proximity > > > > is important in the super radiance of the Meissner Effect (M.E.) in > > > > consciousness. Come out on Tuesday and help with the large group. > > > > Get there early , we expect a large turn out and parking may be limited > > > > outside the Domes. > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meditating all together on Tuesday, even if you are an old meditator > > > > > and your badge is not current or may be you don't have one, then do > > > > > plan anyway on being there meditating at the Domes even out in the > > > > > parking lot together with the larger group. That would be helpful to > > > > > the whole. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know the time is getting short to get a badge processed with > > > > > > any recommendations you should need for the group meditation on > > > > > > Tuesday. However, if you have an old badge try coming to the doors > > > > > > and just see if someone could vouch for you to join. It is real > > > > > > important we try together for the large numbers however we might. > > > > > > Come in, sit up and meditate together. > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Election Day bring your old Dome badge and someone will > > > > > > > probably vouch for you at the door if you have not been in a > > > > > > > while. According to what the science is showing it's really > > > > > > > quite important that you come meditate with the large group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REally we could use a few more good meditators for super > > > > > > > > radiance on Tuesday. > > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "Buck" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if that isn't a bloody waste of everyone's time, but > > > > > > > > > > then it is still positive-Wednesday here on FFL so I won't > > > > > > > > > > go in to what I think now about people who lay back and > > > > > > > > > > sleep for the whole time in meditation in the Dome. > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is happening due to an unhealthy lifestyle. When I > > > > > > > > > > was in Fairfield I was surprised to see how late many > > > > > > > > > > stayed up at night. And resting before Programme was rare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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It's more important to meet in the Absolute than in the dome. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 11:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors Meditating in the Dome parking lot is certainly a viable alternative to being able to be inside the Domes if you can't get a badge. Meditation can be made quite comfortable in your car outside the Domes. Carpooling meditation is good too. Is proly more important to be at the Domes than being diluted out and around in outlaying or satellite meditation areas spread around. -Buck in the Dome > > > Remember on Sat. Nite to set the clock back one hour and on Tuesday not to > set the country back 50 years. Meditators, remember also that social > security benefits will pay for you to stay meditating in the Domes in your > retirement years. Vote your pocket-book on Election Day to help keep the > group meditation numbers up and sustain the Domes in Fairfield. > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > Certainly the science is saying that it is very evident that proximity is > > important in the super radiance of the Meissner Effect (M.E.) in > > consciousness. Come out on Tuesday and help with the large group.Get > > there early , we expect a large turn out and parking may be limited outside > > the Domes. > > -Buck > > > > > > > > Meditating all together on Tuesday, even if you are an old meditator and > > > your badge is not current or may be you don't have one, then do plan > > > anyway on being there meditating at the Domes even out in the parking lot > > > together with the larger group. That would be helpful to the whole. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know the time is getting short to get a badge processed with any > > > > recommendations you should need for the group meditation on Tuesday. > > > > However, if you have an old badge try coming to the doors and just see > > > > if someone could vouch for you to join. It is real important we try > > > > together for the large numbers however we might. Come in, sit up and > > > > meditate together. > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Election Day bring your old Dome badge and someone will probably > > > > > vouch for you at the door if you have not been in a while. According > > > > > to what the science is showing it's really quite important that you > > > > > come meditate with the large group. > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > REally we could use a few more good meditators for super radiance > > > > > > on Tuesday. > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if that isn't a bloody waste of everyone's time, but then > > > > > > > > it is still positive-Wednesday here on FFL so I won't go in to > > > > > > > > what I think now about people who lay back and sleep for the > > > > > > > > whole time in meditation in the Dome. > > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is happening due to an unhealthy lifestyle. When I was in > > > > > > > > Fairfield I was surprised to see how late many stayed up at > > > > > > > > night. And resting before Programme was rare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, and lack of spiritual discipline and so without fortitude. > > > > > > > Sit the f up and do the practice when you come to meditate. > > > > > > > Just Lain back and laying down is so cowardly. Really the > > > > > > > meditation is much better than it was some number of years ago > > > > > > > when so many would so flagrantly come in and go to sleep under a > > > > > > > blanket as their 'meditation'. There is not much of that anymore > > > > > > > at all. People generally are more serious.I did clearly > > > > > > > noticed people back-sliding again the other morning in > > > > > > > meditation, it was so dullling. However I do believe it would do > > > > > > > the program generally more good than handing out cookies at the > > > > > > > end of meditation as people are leaving to have coffee or tea > > > > > > > available in the coat area or yoga assana areas before people go > > > > > > > in to meditate. Once I heard Maharishi directly tell (instruct) > > > > > > > someone who was sleeping all the time in meditation, "You've > > > > > > > slept enough, if you fall asleep in meditation take some > > > > > > > stimulants like coffee or tea!" . That is no rumor it is gospel, I was there and I heard it. > >
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Life is all about what we believe - the fact that I mention what I believe to be true, such as the fact that M and the Movement have run a con game on the world for decades while at the same time acknowledging the effectiveness of the actual TM mantra practice (and its downside for those who lose it through extreme unstressing) you take to be "negativity" - that's your belief, so its true for you, but not the rest of the world. The idea that my "negative" posts are directly related to the fact that I do other spiritual practices besides TM seems to show a prejudice (fostered by Maharishi) that TM is better than all other spiritual practices, which is of course complete nonsense. From: oxcart49 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater wrote: > > > > > > > > > So yeah, no need to get checked nor to do one practice exclusively. > > > > > Damn right, you tell 'em. It's your head, your mind, your experience, your > > choice. > > > You are right. It's our choice to read his whining here or not. I was merely > suggesting that there could be a correlation between the negativity and the > correctness of meditation. You will never be able to figure this out just as you would never know for sure if the cumulative effect of many meditators made Hurricane Share less powerful or more powerful of if they caused Obama to be re-elected in 2012 or not. So let him "whine" and accept the fact that cause and effect are pretty hard to ascertain sometimes. ;-) >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors to Nablusoss
Hi Mr. Soss, I'm remembering when I was taking the MA in SCI at MUM during the 91-92 school year. At lunch a classmate and I were discussing how we both noticed a big difference going to bed at 9:15 rather than 9:30. So we asked our professor and he said that there's something in the Vedic literature saying that every 15 minutes before 10 is the equivalent of an hour of sleep. I also remember Triguna telling everyone that if we went to bed at 8:30 we wouldn't even need ayurveda. I've only done that a few times when I've been sick, but being always a naturally early riser, I can attest to going to bed well before the angel train leaves at 10. Ok, off to Dome and thank you again for encouraging me. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: Now if that isn't a bloody waste of everyone's time, but then it is still positive-Wednesday here on FFL so I won't go in to what I think now about people who lay back and sleep for the whole time in meditation in the Dome. > -Buck Which is happening due to an unhealthy lifestyle. When I was in Fairfield I was surprised to see how late many stayed up at night. And resting before Programme was rare.
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Tolle never did TM that I know of - by his own account he was mega-stressed out will he spontaneously leaped into a state of enlightenment of some kind - thanks for the idea of me coming back to the Dome - but I 'spect The Sandman done put some kind-a X mark agin my name in the old MIU books. As to the sleepers in the Dome - it may be from staying up late and drinkin' likker that does it - bourbon probably - reminds me of when I was at MIU 1985-1987 - there were a couple guys living on campus, one a student and one on staff that were dealing pot out of their rooms - I couldn't fathom it myself but they did it. But sincerely thanks for the thought, I appreciate it. And I thought Wednesdays were for not saying anything rough about another poster or in response to one of the posters on FFL? In which case Dome snoozers are fair game (unless some of them post on here) From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors Jack, actually your experience with 'Presence' and Eckhart Tolle's The Power of NOW is also one of those correct experiences in TM meditation. It just wasn't said exactly that way. Maharishi proly could have said it better when he standardized the instruction and been more helpful in the long-run to a lot of people in their practice. The waking down folks, AdyaShanti and Eckhart did a lot to just bring this up in the intervening years. But where you are at is where a lot of folks sit in experience with their practice and life in Fairfield now too. Someone in my household just recently got a dvd from netflix of Eckhart Tolle doing a 'Power of Now' talk in 2001. It was really a pretty good checking of experience that could be helpful to a lot of meditators and that dvd was 2001. Tolle was an old TM'er wasn't he? He has had quite an impact on popular spirituality. You'd be welcomed back in the Dome as a powerful TM meditator. You could be very helpful joining the large group, sort of like when people actually sit up and meditate with some amount of discipline instead of going in there, reclining and zoning out. Now if that isn't a bloody waste of everyone's time, but then it is still positive-Wednesday here on FFL so I won't go in to what I think now about people who lay back and sleep for the whole time in meditation in the Dome. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I take that as a compliment rather than an insult - for whatever its worth I > realized through experience that other techniques are just a valuable for > progress on the spiritual path as the TM mantras, thus I expanded my ability > to experience the Absolute in my physiology. What I used to experience solely > in TM meditation I began, while exclusively still doing only TM as my sole > practice, in activity as well. Meaning I felt the same feelings and energy in > my body and around my body when in activity that I had begun to feel when > transcending during TM practice. > > After I began other meditation techniques and doing other things like, say, > Holotropic breathwork, I began to feel the "lively transcendent" more often. > Upon reading Eckhart Tolle's The Power of NOW, this experience began to grow > more frequent. As things are now, to feel what I used to feel only in the > deepest TM meditations I only need close my eyes and relax for a few seconds. > > Now the feeling of Divine Energy or Pure Awareness is my experience about 70 > - 75% of the time. Relaxing my awareness makes the experience much more > powerful, or more intense. I still allow my personal awareness to get caught > up in egoic concerns (especially when I am trying to fix some glitch on my > computer), but the Pure Awareness is always there. > > I am happy with what my personal practice gave me, happy with what other > practices have given me and happy I came out of the illusion that TM is the > "jet plane" to enlightenment. > > So yeah, no need to get checked nor to do one practice exclusively. > > > > > > > From: nablusoss1008 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:15 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Hilarious on 2 fronts - I don't exclusively do TM > > That certainly explains your posts here more than you would care to know. >
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I take that as a compliment rather than an insult - for whatever its worth I realized through experience that other techniques are just a valuable for progress on the spiritual path as the TM mantras, thus I expanded my ability to experience the Absolute in my physiology. What I used to experience solely in TM meditation I began, while exclusively still doing only TM as my sole practice, in activity as well. Meaning I felt the same feelings and energy in my body and around my body when in activity that I had begun to feel when transcending during TM practice. After I began other meditation techniques and doing other things like, say, Holotropic breathwork, I began to feel the "lively transcendent" more often. Upon reading Eckhart Tolle's The Power of NOW, this experience began to grow more frequent. As things are now, to feel what I used to feel only in the deepest TM meditations I only need close my eyes and relax for a few seconds. Now the feeling of Divine Energy or Pure Awareness is my experience about 70 - 75% of the time. Relaxing my awareness makes the experience much more powerful, or more intense. I still allow my personal awareness to get caught up in egoic concerns (especially when I am trying to fix some glitch on my computer), but the Pure Awareness is always there. I am happy with what my personal practice gave me, happy with what other practices have given me and happy I came out of the illusion that TM is the "jet plane" to enlightenment. So yeah, no need to get checked nor to do one practice exclusively. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Hilarious on 2 fronts - I don't exclusively do TM That certainly explains your posts here more than you would care to know.
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Michael, getting checked is not just for *beginners*. It can be useful ,even for an advanced meditator. Just hearing the words in a calm relaxed state can have a beneficial effect that allows one to experience *effortlessness*in a more effortless manner. Kind of like greasing the skids or even allowing the *bottom* to fall-out! From: Michael Jackson To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors Hilarious on 2 fronts - I don't exclusively do TM and need no one to "check" my meditation and in fact I did ask any teacher who ever said don't meditate lying down for specifics - other than you might fall asleep and the lady who claimed your sleep stress would climb back inside you, no one ever offered specifics. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" wrote: > > As I lay in bed this morning meditating, rather than return to the mantra, I was thinking of the oft repeated admonition by MANY TM teachers that one should not meditate while lying down in bed. None of the teachers ever gave a specific reason other than "you might fall asleep." The implication was always that there were some mighty good reasons not to do so, but no specifics given, except for one initiator who said that you release so much stress while you sleep that if you meditate even sitting up in the bed you sleep in, you would re-absorb the stress. All Governors knows why. I suspect you have been to lazy to ask directly istead relying on what you have "heard". Please have a checking and ask the question at the end of the session.
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I have to give a ditto to Barry on M's explanation for not reclining during meditation. Seems I heard the same thing from M. It was rare to hear M speak the word *Kundalini* though he did a few times on my TTC in Majorca. I had my first experience of it and asked M about it, and he said a few things and then offered to bring a master of Kundalini to the course to speak about it, if anybody wanted to hear it. Nothing ever came of the offer. Teachers are trained *not* to use the word or say anything about it. From: Michael Jackson To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors Well that actually makes sense if one believes in kundalini - so I finally know why they said it, although I am not sure any of the teachers knew that reason other than it was what they were told - having said that I can't imagine the serpent fire not being able to rise properly particularly after reading Gopi Krishna's Living with Kundalini book.As to his reclining posture I still think based on his appearance/performance in the last videos of him that he was in some state of dementia - having witnessed it in family members, I have to say he had a lot of the earmarks.I was just idly musing about this, but I appreciate you clearing it up. From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" wrote: > > As I lay in bed this morning meditating, rather than return > to the mantra, I was thinking of the oft repeated admonition > by MANY TM teachers that one should not meditate while lying > down in bed. None of the teachers ever gave a specific reason > other than "you might fall asleep." The implication was always > that there were some mighty good reasons not to do so, but no > specifics given, except for one initiator who said that you > release so much stress while you sleep that if you meditate > even sitting up in the bed you sleep in, you would re-absorb > the stress. One has to believe that the TM teacher who said this made it up; I certainly never heard anything of the sort from Maharishi. What he did say, back in the early days (1967-8) before he went out of his way to distance himself from any "Indian" or "yogic" language and transliterated TM jargon into "pseudo-scientific-ese" was that if you're lying down "the energy released by meditation can't rise properly." When asked directly whether the "energy" he referred to was "kundalini," he said "Yes." As you point out, any rational reason for this pronouncement was offered in later years; the very fact that it had been suggested by Maharishi or by one of his TM teachers should have been "enough." One wonders, given Maharishi's early pronouncements on the subject, what one is to make of *his* posture during the last years of his life. Several reports by people doing the filming have confirmed that almost all of the videos he made during that period, either for the public or to stay in touch with the Rajas, were made while he was reclining in bed. The cameras were mounted on a platform above his bed, and the pillows and backgrounds were rearranged to give the impression that he was seated, not reclining.
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Hilarious on 2 fronts - I don't exclusively do TM and need no one to "check" my meditation and in fact I did ask any teacher who ever said don't meditate lying down for specifics - other than you might fall asleep and the lady who claimed your sleep stress would climb back inside you, no one ever offered specifics. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" wrote: > > As I lay in bed this morning meditating, rather than return to the mantra, I > was thinking of the oft repeated admonition by MANY TM teachers that one > should not meditate while lying down in bed. None of the teachers ever gave a > specific reason other than "you might fall asleep." The implication was > always that there were some mighty good reasons not to do so, but no > specifics given, except for one initiator who said that you release so much > stress while you sleep that if you meditate even sitting up in the bed you > sleep in, you would re-absorb the stress. All Governors knows why. I suspect you have been to lazy to ask directly istead relying on what you have "heard". Please have a checking and ask the question at the end of the session.
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Well that actually makes sense if one believes in kundalini - so I finally know why they said it, although I am not sure any of the teachers knew that reason other than it was what they were told - having said that I can't imagine the serpent fire not being able to rise properly particularly after reading Gopi Krishna's Living with Kundalini book. As to his reclining posture I still think based on his appearance/performance in the last videos of him that he was in some state of dementia - having witnessed it in family members, I have to say he had a lot of the earmarks. I was just idly musing about this, but I appreciate you clearing it up. From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" wrote: > > As I lay in bed this morning meditating, rather than return > to the mantra, I was thinking of the oft repeated admonition > by MANY TM teachers that one should not meditate while lying > down in bed. None of the teachers ever gave a specific reason > other than "you might fall asleep." The implication was always > that there were some mighty good reasons not to do so, but no > specifics given, except for one initiator who said that you > release so much stress while you sleep that if you meditate > even sitting up in the bed you sleep in, you would re-absorb > the stress. One has to believe that the TM teacher who said this made it up; I certainly never heard anything of the sort from Maharishi. What he did say, back in the early days (1967-8) before he went out of his way to distance himself from any "Indian" or "yogic" language and transliterated TM jargon into "pseudo-scientific-ese" was that if you're lying down "the energy released by meditation can't rise properly." When asked directly whether the "energy" he referred to was "kundalini," he said "Yes." As you point out, any rational reason for this pronouncement was offered in later years; the very fact that it had been suggested by Maharishi or by one of his TM teachers should have been "enough." One wonders, given Maharishi's early pronouncements on the subject, what one is to make of *his* posture during the last years of his life. Several reports by people doing the filming have confirmed that almost all of the videos he made during that period, either for the public or to stay in touch with the Rajas, were made while he was reclining in bed. The cameras were mounted on a platform above his bed, and the pillows and backgrounds were rearranged to give the impression that he was seated, not reclining.
