Re: Keeping Firefox+Flash from eating your CPU

[Cameron Simpson]

On 03Sep2008 00:35, landon kelsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| what is really great is the ad block
| but  that doesn't always allow a new entry
| to be added to the block list!

Ad block is a blacklist (you ad stuff you want blocked).
Flashblock is a whitelist (blocks all flash, you add things you will let
run).
I personally prefer the latter.

NoScript is also very useful.

BTW, in FF3 (on a Mac) the block menu item appears to be missing from
mousing over the flash (it's available in FF2). Does anyone know about
this?
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Re: [F8 x86_64] Pulseaudio w/USB Audio Device

[Sean Bruno]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 23:06 -0400, Chris Tyler wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 19:50 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
> > With my USB Turntable connected when I login to my desktop, pulseaudio
> > sets it's default "sink" to the USB Audio subsystem instead of my
> > onboard audio card.
> > 
> > I had the same issue with alsa many moons ago, and was able to work
> > around that with some modprobe.conf foo.  Now, my configuration hacks
> > don't seem to be able to tame the pulseaudio demon and I am at a loss.
> > 
> > Any guidance on how to get pulseaudio to use the sound device I choose
> > as the default sink?
> > 
> > Sean
> 
> Try this: Start [Applications>Sound & Video>PulseAudio Volume Control],
> right-click on your favorite sink, select "Default".
> 
> -Chris
> 

Ahright-clickThanks!

A tad unintuitive, but works great!  

Sean

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why does hotmail clump my spaced sentences on reply? sorry repeat

[landon kelsey]

what is really great is the ad block

but  that doesn't always allow a new entry

to be added to the block list!




> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 00:56:29 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Keeping Firefox+Flash from eating your CPU
> 
> Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>> In a recent issue of Salon, I read:
>>Luckily, there's a small add-on program for Firefox that lets
>>the user prevent Flash files from running automatically when a
>>page loads, and it turns Firefox into a stable, efficient
>>browser.
>> This appeared in:
>>
>> http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/scitech/2008/09/02/D92V0RV01_tec_tech_test_google_chrome/index.html
>> 
>> Does anyone know what this application/applet/plugin is?  Is it
>> available for Linux?
> 
> They're talking about Flashblock I believe (the article even mentions
> the name near the end):
> 
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433
> 
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RE: Keeping Firefox+Flash from eating your CPU

[landon kelsey]

what is really great is the ad block

but  that doesn't always allow a new entry

to be added to the block list!




> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 00:56:29 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Keeping Firefox+Flash from eating your CPU
> 
> Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>> In a recent issue of Salon, I read:
>>Luckily, there's a small add-on program for Firefox that lets
>>the user prevent Flash files from running automatically when a
>>page loads, and it turns Firefox into a stable, efficient
>>browser.
>> This appeared in:
>>
>> http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/scitech/2008/09/02/D92V0RV01_tec_tech_test_google_chrome/index.html
>> 
>> Does anyone know what this application/applet/plugin is?  Is it
>> available for Linux?
> 
> They're talking about Flashblock I believe (the article even mentions
> the name near the end):
> 
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433
> 
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Re: error messages during ctorrent download

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Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> Yes, I did in fact understand the snow thing. What I didn't understand
> was the connection with "making statements".

men can do it with out trouble. ;o)

> Sorry to hear that. I hope everything went OK (no need to elaborate).

i do thank you for your concern. it is related to 'me mum'.

with out elaborations, i am very concerned, doctor is mildly so. sample
[not cancer related, just a typical for elderly] to be taken tomorrow.
results will determine if 'home health' nurse handled 'things' correctly,
or a few days in hospital necessary.

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Re: Bootable FC9 Disk Copy: Solved

[Nickolas Gray]

Ken,

Thanks for your input. It helped me solve the problem. It turned out  
to be with the rsync not copying all the files over. I should have  
used "rsync -axXv"


You would think there would be more interest in this, but go figure.

On Sep 1, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Ken Smith wrote:


Nickolas Gray wrote:
I am attempting to create a bootable copy of a running SELinux box  
on FC9. I think I am close but I am coming up with a kernel panic  
(text at end) Here are the steps and a brief reason. If anyone has  
any suggestions where I might have made a mistake or left something  
out a comment would be appreciated. The only requirements so far is  
that it has to be a disk to disk copy with no CD/DVD rescue  
involved and it has to use LVM Snapshot.


The original looks like

mbr on boot sector
/dev/sda1  ext3 /boot
/dev/sda2  LVM

VolGroup00/LogVol00 is root
VolGroup00/LogVol01 is swap

This is what I am doing.

• This seemed like an efficient way to dup the filesystems of the  
source to the target.

sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb

•Duplicate the MBR
dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1 bs=512k

•Copy the entire /boot from a to b
dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=664 count=1

•Add the /dev/sdb2 to LVM
pvcreate /dev/sdb2

create the VolGroup for /
vgcreate -s 32m VolGroup01 /dev/sdb2

Create the logical volume for / and swap
lvcreate -l 1562 -n LogVol00 VolGroup01
lvcreate -l 62 -n LogVol01 VolGroup01

Create the swap area
mkswap /dev/VolGroup01/LogVol01

Format the / filesystem
mkfs -t ext3 /dev/VolGroup01/LogVol00

Create the snapshot
lvcreate -L 20g -s -n snap /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00

Mount the snapshot
mount /dev/VolGroup00/snap /snapshot

Mount the target
mount /dev/VolGroup01/LogVol00 /target

Rsync over the snapshot
rsync -vXxpr  /snapshot/* /target

Unmount the snapshot
umount /snapshot

lvremove -f VolGroup00/snap

At this point I fixed the initrd, the fstab and grub.conf on the  
target to point to VolGroup01 instead of VolGroup00.


I would think this should be it.

What I get is.

root (hd0,0)
Filesystem type is .
kerne /vmlinuz ..
Linux bzimage.
initrd / initrd 
Linux initrd


Decompresing Linux ... Done
Booting the kernel
Red Hat nash version 6,0,52 starting
Reading all physical volumes this make take awhile 
Found volume group VolGroup01 now active
ERROR: exec of init (/sbin/init) failed failed No such file or  
directory

ERROR:  failed in exec of /bin/echo: No such file or directory
a couple messages about not finding /bin/sleep
Kernel Panic

I am not really sure where this is getting to. I thought it was  
getting to the initrd but now I am not sure.


Thanks Nick

In that NASH script runs just before the error the running system  
volumes are mounted. It is compiled at install time to mount the  
right LV. If the LV has changed the kernel will panic because it  
can't find /sbin/init. See here http://www.whoopis.com/howtos/linux_lvm_recovery.html 
 adapt the narrative to suit your situation.


Ken



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Re: upgrade to fc9 and lost mouse pad enter

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08/16/2008 10:00 PMJim Duda wrote:

> My touch pad continues to work as a mouse, however, I cannot use the
> mouse pad as an enter key.  I cannot double-click on the mouse pad as a
> select tool.

not directly, but there has been a previous post of;


subject: touchpad (Asus F3Sr) on Fedora 9
from: david hlacik
date: 08/16/2008 02:50 PM

Hello guys,i have problem with my touchpad (Asus notebook F3Series) on Fedora 9

from: mike cloaked
date: 08/16/2008 02:56 PM

Known problem with touchpads in F9 -

from: matthew saltzman
date: 08/16/2008 10:00 PM

gsynaptic for GNOME.  I'd guess ksynaptic for KDE.

synclient is a command-line one.

To use any of these, you need to preconfigure xorg.conf with the
SHMConfig line in the InputDevice section.

from: matthew saltzman
date: 08/17/2008 12:48 AM

Sorry, that's gsynaptics and ksynaptics (ending in 's').


there is no post that problem was cured, but entire thread does give
info to check your xorg.conf and sample configs.

so, i would say check fedora site for bug and have a look at entire
thread. or sit and wait to see if any of previous poster note your
post and reply.

also, i you like, i can send you entire of thread that i have.

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Re: Keeping Firefox+Flash from eating your CPU

[Todd Zullinger]

Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> In a recent issue of Salon, I read:
>Luckily, there's a small add-on program for Firefox that lets
>the user prevent Flash files from running automatically when a
>page loads, and it turns Firefox into a stable, efficient
>browser.
> This appeared in:
>
> http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/scitech/2008/09/02/D92V0RV01_tec_tech_test_google_chrome/index.html
> 
> Does anyone know what this application/applet/plugin is?  Is it
> available for Linux?

They're talking about Flashblock I believe (the article even mentions
the name near the end):

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433

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Re: Keeping Firefox+Flash from eating your CPU

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 21:42 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> In a recent issue of Salon, I read:
> Luckily, there's a small add-on program for Firefox that lets
> the user prevent Flash files from running automatically when a
> page loads, and it turns Firefox into a stable, efficient
> browser.
> This appeared in:
> 
> http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/scitech/2008/09/02/D92V0RV01_tec_tech_test_google_chrome/index.html
> 
> Does anyone know what this application/applet/plugin is?  Is it
> available for Linux?

flashblock is what I use

Craig

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Keeping Firefox+Flash from eating your CPU

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

In a recent issue of Salon, I read:
Luckily, there's a small add-on program for Firefox that lets
the user prevent Flash files from running automatically when a
page loads, and it turns Firefox into a stable, efficient
browser.
This appeared in:

http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/scitech/2008/09/02/D92V0RV01_tec_tech_test_google_chrome/index.html

Does anyone know what this application/applet/plugin is?  Is it
available for Linux?

Thanks - jon



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Re: HowTo Change the Login Window?

[Kam Leo]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Marc Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I would like to know how to access and/or change the "login window" for
> Fedora 9.  I was told it's changed dramatically; we're not using GDM or it's
> been split, blah blah blah.  I don't know what any of that means, I'm a
> newb.  I'd like to install a theme I found on Gnome-Look.org, but so far all
> the sites the folks in the chat room showed me didn't really say how to make
> the changes, or I'm just now reading it right:
>
> http://live.gnome.org/GDM/2.22/Configuration
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-Desktop.html#sn-GNOMEDisplayManager
>
> Thanks for any clarrification.
>
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"F9 Login theme" was discussed in May. You can read it at
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-May/msg02707.html to
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Re: tcsh and fedora 9

[Paul Newell]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 22:14 -0700, Paul Newell wrote:
  

Ed Greshko wrote:


Paul Newell wrote:
  
  

[babble removed by myself as this is the key line]

My question is "I want tcsh as part of my F9 os ... how do I get it
within the proper Fedora channels?"

As always, any suggestions appreciated.
Thank,
Paul



yum install tcsh

  
(with an embarrassed flush on my face) ... it's that easy? Why didn't I 
find such when I scoured through what was available online at Fedora and 
is there any reason that it isn't standard?



The easy way to find out if 'foo' is in the repos is to type 'yum info
foo'. You can also use the repoquery command from the yum-utils package
('yum install yum-utils').

poc
  
Thanks for the additional advice. Know nothing about "yum-utils" and 
will look into after trying the "yum install tcsh".


Paul

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Re: cryptsetup luksOpen reporting "Command failed: Invalid offset"

[Philippe A.]

After rebooting I succeeded to created a luks usb drive as well as a luks
container. Case closed!

2008/9/2 Philippe A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> My attempts to open a luks container fail with the following messages:
>
> sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/loop2 test.crypted
> Enter LUKS passphrase for /dev/loop2:
> key slot 0 unlocked.
> Command failed: Invalid offset
>
> As a result, the mapper never gets created in /dev/mapper.
>
> The commands I am using to create my container are the following:
>
> dd if=/dev/urandom of=test.crypted bs=1M count=256
> sudo losetup -d /dev/loop2
> sudo losetup /dev/loop2 /phil/test.crypted
> sudo cryptsetup -c twofish -s 256 luksFormat /dev/loop2
>
> The resulting container appears to be valid as shown by cryptsetup
> luksDump:
>
> LUKS header information for /dev/loop2
>
> Version: 1
> Cipher name: twofish
> Cipher mode: cbc-plain
> Hash spec: sha1
> [snip]
>
> However, no mapper after the luksOpen.
>
> I have a non-luks 'vanilla' container that works. Can anyone help me figure
> what I'm missing?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [F8 x86_64] Pulseaudio w/USB Audio Device

[Chris Tyler]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 19:50 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
> With my USB Turntable connected when I login to my desktop, pulseaudio
> sets it's default "sink" to the USB Audio subsystem instead of my
> onboard audio card.
> 
> I had the same issue with alsa many moons ago, and was able to work
> around that with some modprobe.conf foo.  Now, my configuration hacks
> don't seem to be able to tame the pulseaudio demon and I am at a loss.
> 
> Any guidance on how to get pulseaudio to use the sound device I choose
> as the default sink?
> 
> Sean

Try this: Start [Applications>Sound & Video>PulseAudio Volume Control],
right-click on your favorite sink, select "Default".

-Chris

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upgrade to fc9 and lost mouse pad enter

[Jim Duda]

I updated my laptop from fc8 to fc9.  Due to dependencies, I had to
remove gnome-panel.  I reinstalled gnome-panel and all the other stuff
that was removed, but apparently, I missed something.

My touch pad continues to work as a mouse, however, I cannot use the
mouse pad as an enter key.  I cannot double-click on the mouse pad as a
select tool.

Can anyone tell me where/how this is controlled in gnome?  Is there some
"manager" I need installed which might have been inadvertantly deleted?

Thanks,

Jim

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Re: OT: just got a Qube 2

[Nifty Fedora Mitch]

On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 11:36:23PM -0700, Mick M. wrote:
> 
> Hi;
>   I bought a Cobalt Qube 2 locally yesterday.
> I saw some posts in my searches of RH 5.1 on this, but dead links.
> This has the  mips cpu.
> 
> Anyone done it?
> Any advice?

Bought... bummer I could have given you mine three weeks ago.
 
I think all the latest bits are on sun.com (cobalt.sun.com)... 
Give it a search on sun and google.

Bring it up behind a NAT firewall.

The older default packages for web server and such have been hacked
so you will need to recompile newer bits for most all the out-
facing applications

It is a fun little box... not quite as powerfull as my little OLPC XO.
It does hold much larger disks and has hard wire ethernet.

If I was to win the big lottery I would be tempted to update it.
I would love to have a 10 watt little herk server...
Heck, the little Pico-ITX may already be there.

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[F8 x86_64] Pulseaudio w/USB Audio Device

[Sean Bruno]

With my USB Turntable connected when I login to my desktop, pulseaudio
sets it's default "sink" to the USB Audio subsystem instead of my
onboard audio card.

I had the same issue with alsa many moons ago, and was able to work
around that with some modprobe.conf foo.  Now, my configuration hacks
don't seem to be able to tame the pulseaudio demon and I am at a loss.

Any guidance on how to get pulseaudio to use the sound device I choose
as the default sink?

Sean

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RE: The answer to how your link media with programs

[landon kelsey]

under KDE 4.0.5/Fedora 9

kdiskfree display only

kwikdisk opens and dies

dolphin this will open CDs DVDs memory cards flash memory not opened at boot

I never found:

System->Personal->File Management-> Media









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> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:23:20 -0500
> Subject: The answer to how your link media with programs
> 
> Many moons ago I asked how one controls what program handles various
> media, like audio CD's, DVD videos etc. In f9 that is.
> No one seemed to have the answer. Well I found the answer . It is:
> System->Personal->File Management-> Media
> 
> Just so you'd know.
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cryptsetup luksOpen reporting "Command failed: Invalid offset"

[Philippe A.]

My attempts to open a luks container fail with the following messages:

sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/loop2 test.crypted
Enter LUKS passphrase for /dev/loop2:
key slot 0 unlocked.
Command failed: Invalid offset

As a result, the mapper never gets created in /dev/mapper.

The commands I am using to create my container are the following:

dd if=/dev/urandom of=test.crypted bs=1M count=256
sudo losetup -d /dev/loop2
sudo losetup /dev/loop2 /phil/test.crypted
sudo cryptsetup -c twofish -s 256 luksFormat /dev/loop2

The resulting container appears to be valid as shown by cryptsetup luksDump:

LUKS header information for /dev/loop2

Version: 1
Cipher name: twofish
Cipher mode: cbc-plain
Hash spec: sha1
[snip]

However, no mapper after the luksOpen.

I have a non-luks 'vanilla' container that works. Can anyone help me figure
what I'm missing?

Thanks!
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The answer to how your link media with programs

[Aaron Konstam]

Many moons ago I asked how one controls what program handles various
media, like audio CD's, DVD videos etc. In f9 that is.
No one seemed to have the answer. Well I found the answer . It is:
System->Personal->File Management-> Media

Just so you'd know.
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Re: Automounting Camera-USB mass storage

[Amadeus W.M.]

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:53:27 +0100, Chris G wrote:

> Is is easy to get a USB Camera to automount in Fedora 8, if so how do
> you do it?
> 
> I have an Olympus C-460 camera and I'm getting fed up with having to
> look in /var/log/messages to see what the device name is and then
> manually issuing the mount command.
> 
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Check that you have gthumb installed. The actual gui that should pop up 
(cross your fingers) when you connect the camera is gthumb-import (or 
gthumb-importer in F9). It pops up provided that you have hal and udev up 
and running and configured properly. And provided the camera is supported. 


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Re: A simple bash case question...

[Armin]

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 14:40:10 Dan Thurman wrote:
> I am trying to figure out how to do the following:
>
> case $foo in
>
> "one" || "two)
>process_One_Two ;;
> "three")
>process_Three ;;
> "four" || "five")
>process_Four_Five ;;
> *) echo "Nothing to process" ;;
> esac
>
> The problem I am having is getting "one" || "Two"
> or "four" || "five" to work - so as to consolidate
> two or more strings per case statement line,
> otherwise I would have code duplication.
>
> Any advice?
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
try:

case $foo in
"one" | "two)
processOneTwo;;
esac
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RE: When will Yum updates be working again?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 19:57 -0400, Steven F. LeBrun wrote:
> Has anyone actually stated why the Yum updates are not currently working?

If you look at the last 3 weeks of archives of the list, not to mention
comment on Slashdot, Ars Tecnica, Linux Weekly News etc., you'll see a
large amount of discussion of this. (Executive summary: there was an
intrusion in the Fedora servers and everything is being re-signed).

poc

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RE: When will Yum updates be working again?

[Steven F. LeBrun]

Has anyone actually stated why the Yum updates are not currently working?

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Anders Karlsson
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 4:32 PM
To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora.
Subject: Re: When will Yum updates be working again?

* Steve Repo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080902 21:09]:
> This whole incident has kept the rumors mills very busy and _still_
> there isn't been a responsible response from Fedora.  An update
> (useful) every couple of days on status (what they are working on)
> would help users ..after all this is a "community" distribution? Or is
> it really?

Hmm... I have this conundrum with the customers I handle. Do I piss
them off by telling them every 48 hours (for weeks or months) "Sorry
guys, I don't really have anything to tell you". Or - do I tell them
(as has been done here with Fedora) "Hi there, there's nothing more to
tell you right now, so I'll update you when there is news."

Now, most customers actually prefer the second option. Amazingly,
paying customers seem to have more sense as well, realising that
silence from the last message actually means there is nothing new to
tell.

The tinfoil-hat contingency will of course piss petrol on any bonfire
of rumours just so they can carry on wild speculation and deride the
people actually working on restoring service. There's thanks for
you...

Here's a thought... The rumour-mongers could actually *shut up* for a
change! But I guess a snowflake in Hell have a better odds than that
happening.

> Some users could actually might volunteer to help speed up the process.

They could volunteer, but I doubt they'd be let anywhere near the
servers in question. This is not the time to introduce a plethora of
unknowns into the mix.

/Anders

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Re: wifi enabling

[Maurizio Marini]

On Tuesday 02 September 2008, dexter wrote:
> On Tue September 2 2008 18:09:36 narendraw1 palavalli wrote:
> > hai i have installed fedora9 recently in my hp pavillion dv 9617nr laptop
> > it has a broadcom802.11b/g wireless card
> > i m not able to connect to the network i tried even giving the ip address
> > and tryin its not possible so please can u help me with this

i have a compaq n750 with this wifi card:
# lspci
01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI 
(rev 02)

try to use NetworkManager
/etc/init.d/NetworkManager start
it helped me on searching wifi ap to connect to

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Re: error messages during ctorrent download

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 20:41 +, g wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> 
> > You've lost me. Single-case (usually all-caps) has some specific uses,
> 
> think about it. bothering to give concern to using caps when 'writing in 
> snow'.
> using yellow ink.

Yes, I did in fact understand the snow thing. What I didn't understand
was the connection with "making statements".

> printing more difficult than cursive.
> 
> > [Also, if we're being pedantic (or even just marginally careful)
> > questions such as the above should always end in a query mark (?).
> 
> not pedantic. i am aware. my error. was distracted by doctor's arrival and
> finished without realizing what i had done. reason of visit was of greater
> importance than correctness of casual post.

Sorry to hear that. I hope everything went OK (no need to elaborate).

poc

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Re: Where the h%^&^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part III

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 22:34 +, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan  gmail.com> writes:
> > Or: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing groupupdate KDE
> 
> And that groupupdate will miss some packages which should also be updated. (I 
> know, I've done it myself. I had to use yum shell and manually update some 
> additional packages which weren't caught by the groupupdate.) kde* will also 
> miss some stuff, e.g. konq-plugins.

I can only say that I've had zero problems of this nature since I did
the above a month ago. The whole update went without a hitch. Maybe I'm
just lucky.

If groupupdate misses some stuff, are there plans to fix it so it
doesn't?

> Moreover, the packages currently in updates-testing are missing the latest 
> fixes (for the same reason the update isn't stable yet), so unless you're 
> prepared to pick those from Koji, you'd better just wait for the update to be 
> pushed to stable (with those fixes, which are already in the queued update).

True. I haven't seen anything new since around August 8.

> You'll also end up with the GStreamer Phonon backend only if you update from 
> testing now unless you manually force phonon-backend-xine, and that GStreamer 
> backend has problems with device selection which could cause problems with 
> PulseAudio. In the update queued for stable, we have:
> * made phonon-backend-gstreamer the longer name again, so yum prefers 
> phonon-backend-xine if you're upgrading from 4.0,
> * fixed some regressions in PulseAudio support in the Xine backend (requires 
> updated phonon, phonon-backend-xine and kdebase-runtime).

Good to know. However my own experience has been that previous to
updating from updates-testing I had a buggy KDE and now I have a
considerably less buggy one, so it's been a net gain for me.

poc

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Avahi, nautilus and ssh

[Christoph Höger]

Hi there,

I can remember that somewhen an ubuntu notebook detected all ssh capable
servers in a net via avahi and nautilus offered access to them via
places -> network. For fedora 9/8 (in both directions) that is not the
case, although ssh is working, avahi is running on both machines and a
ssh service file is placed in /etc/avahi/services. 
Why do I not see an "access this pc via ssh" button in places -> network
but have to use "connect to server" for nautilus access?
Is that a regression or do I miss some config?

regards

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Re: Where the h%^&^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part III

[Kevin Kofler]

Patrick O'Callaghan  gmail.com> writes:
> Or: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing groupupdate KDE

And that groupupdate will miss some packages which should also be updated. (I 
know, I've done it myself. I had to use yum shell and manually update some 
additional packages which weren't caught by the groupupdate.) kde* will also 
miss some stuff, e.g. konq-plugins.

Moreover, the packages currently in updates-testing are missing the latest 
fixes (for the same reason the update isn't stable yet), so unless you're 
prepared to pick those from Koji, you'd better just wait for the update to be 
pushed to stable (with those fixes, which are already in the queued update).

You'll also end up with the GStreamer Phonon backend only if you update from 
testing now unless you manually force phonon-backend-xine, and that GStreamer 
backend has problems with device selection which could cause problems with 
PulseAudio. In the update queued for stable, we have:
* made phonon-backend-gstreamer the longer name again, so yum prefers 
phonon-backend-xine if you're upgrading from 4.0,
* fixed some regressions in PulseAudio support in the Xine backend (requires 
updated phonon, phonon-backend-xine and kdebase-runtime).

Kevin Kofler

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Re: Fedora home server using core 9

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Marko Vojinovic wrote:


you did your research well. i commend you.


> Ok, everyone already pointed out that both SL and CentOS are almost identical 

true.

> The SL distro has rather specific purpose --- to form a common basic 

true.

> This means the following --- in the future, RHEL and derivatives (like 
> CentOS) 
> might possibly push some updates that could interfere with the custom-made

true.

> This is of course unacceptable,

very true.

> means that SL will in time start lagging behind in being updated,

_maybe_ to your thinking.

> and some 
> updates may well never reach the users of SL.

again, to your thinking.

> The bottom line is that SL, CentOS and RHEL are equivalent *now*, but in 
> future this may/will not be so, and SL will be regarded as "older".

still to your thinking.

> If I were an ordinary user/admin of a system unrelated to Cern and/or grid 
> stuff, I would stick to CentOS and leave SL to people who really need it

as a user, yes. as an admin of any system greater than 1 box, i can see
many advantages of having system software that is 'grid capable'.

in a system of 1+, where is there no advantage of having a grid to share
any form of number crunching, program compiling? or anything else that will
take a single computer a long time to accomplish?

> if you do not recognize yourself to be among those target users, my 
> suggestion is to leave it alone.

and again, for a single box, i agree 100%, to a point.

that point being if i am not doing any thing, why not share?

seti.org, for example, which i admit, i have not yet joined. but key word
here is *yet*.

as for members of this list, there are several that i would open my system
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resend: sorry hotmail is clumping my sentences together

[landon kelsey]

since I installed Fedora 9, I get these messages 

1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on 4

On boot just after page 1

"Booting the kernel"

message(s):
1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on 4

I have kernel:
Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 4 14:08:11 
EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

I did not have the problem with Fedora 8.

However all 4 ports work. I have something plugged into every port except for 
the internal.
(1) mouse
(2) flash memory
(3) flash memory
(4) flash memory

I just installed a new PCI card to give 5 USP 2.0 ports! On the old PCI port 
card I was getting several of the "unable to enumerate" messages above.
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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Aldo Foot]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Anders Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Travis Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080902 22:52]:
> [drivel snipped]
>> >
>> Hey I am currently downloading the ISO dvd to install after I finish my
>> day's lessons, is this not a good idea to do?
>
> The word from the Fedora folks on Aug 14th was - don't update until
> further notice. Since then, they have - IIRC - said it's safe to do
> so. The ISO's should be safe, as well as the packages that you can
> update to from the servers.
>
> New updates should start rolling once they have resigned everything.
>
> /Anders
>

For once I'm glad I've not updated my system in the last few
days; and I won't for quite a few more.

~af

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Re: USB slow when two devices connected

[Aldo Foot]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Chris Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 13:26 -0600, Phil Meyer wrote:
>> All that, to say this:  a single slow USB device on a controller will
>> cause the controller to drop to slow (USB 1.1) mode.   Not just a single
>> port drops, the whole controller drops.
>
> Slightly expanded:
>
> (a) USB 1.1 vs. USB 2.0 isn't directly related to speed -- USB 1.1
> supports low (1.5 Mbps) and full (12 Mbps) speeds; USB 2.0 adds support
> for high (480 Mbps) speed. USB 2.0 devices don't *have* to operate at
> full speed, though -- e.g., a true USB 2.0-certified keyboard is still
> going to send your scancodes to the host at low speed.
>
> (b) Using a low- or full-speed device doesn't force that controller
> (actually pair of controllers - EHCI+UHCI) into a low- or full-speed
> mode -- low-/full- and high-speed connections can be interleaved.
> However, USB is a shared bus, and use of the bus is scheduled in time
> slices, so as an example transferring 8 Mbps at full speed (plus control
> overhead) will use the bus just over 2/3rd of the time, reducing the
> time available for full speed transfers to less than 1/3 (<160 Mbps),
> yielding a total throughput of under 168 Mbps. This can be alleviated by
> using a hub with a transaction translator, which will buffer low- or
> full-speed transfers and send them in bursts to the host at high speed
> (and vice versa for data coming from the host) to mitigate the impact of
> the low- and full-speed devices on the high-speed ones.
>
>
>> This problem used to be very problematic when most USB mice and
>> keyboards were USB 1.1
>>
>> Now days, all USB devices should say 2.0 on them somewhere.
>
> Even a Certified USB 2.0 mouse will operate at low speed (I haven't seen
> any 480 Mbps mice!). For example, from /proc/bus/usb/devices on my
> desktop:
>
>T:  Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=03 Port=02 Cnt=03 Dev#=  9 Spd=1.5 MxCh= 0
>D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
>P:  Vendor=046d ProdID=c00e Rev=11.10
>S:  Manufacturer=Logitech
>S:  Product=USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse
>C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=a0 MxPwr= 98mA
>I:* If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID  ) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usbhid
>E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   4 Ivl=10ms
>
> Note the "Ver= 2.00" in the D: line (USB version 2.0), but "Spd=1.5" in
> the T: line (low speed, 1.5 Mbps).
>
> -Chris

Checking on the speed was interesting. The /proc/bus/usb/devices shows
that both devices rut at 480Mbps.
It appear the the usb stick is having a problem from too many read/writes.
It's been a while since I've been using.

FROM DVDRW
T:  Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=03 Cnt=01 Dev#= 10 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=054c ProdID=02d1 Rev= 0.00
S:  Manufacturer=Sony
S:  Product=DRX-830U

FROM MEMORY STICK
T:  Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=05 Cnt=02 Dev#= 11 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=0457 ProdID=0151 Rev= 1.00
S:  Product=USB Mass Storage Device


thanks for the enlightenment
~af

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ocsigen [was] Re: ocsigen install / sqlite3 library

[dexter]

On Sun August 31 2008 16:04:33 Jimmy Provoyeur, Jr. wrote:
> Has anyone successfully been able to install ocsigen framework webserver
> onto Fedora 9, if so any installation steps, tips, hints,etc I am also
> trying to install sqlite and it's taking forever onthe "make" file; any
> thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

Update, I spoke with an ocaml sig member Rich, heres wot he said...

On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 05:53:25PM +0100, dexter wrote:
> I recently looked at building ocsigen for F9 the results can be seen below.
> my question is will this be rawhide only?

I guess while it's in the review process it has to be rawhide only.
There are two possibilities though: one is to simply enable the
development repo in your F-9 (edit /etc/yum.repos.d/
fedora-development.repo), or else you could backport those source
RPMs.

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Re: USB slow when two devices connected

[Aldo Foot]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Phil Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Aldo Foot wrote:
>>
>> My F8 system has two USB ports in the front side.
>> I had a USB DVDRW connected to one of the ports and was writing an ISO
>> image to CDR.
>> Then I plugged in a USB stick to transfer some files from it to my
>> desktop, the transfer
>> was stalling and was slow even after the CDR task ended. Then I
>> unplugged the DVDRW
>> and the USB stick transfer rate was as fast as lightning.
>> Why was the USB stick file transfer so slow when the DVDRW was plugged in?
>>
>> ~af
>>
>>
>
> Most modern mother boards offer as many as 8 USB ports on as many as 4
> different USB controllers.  However, there are many motherboards that offer
> only 4 total USB ports on a single controller.
>
> lsusb is useful to determine what's what in your particular system.
>
> # yum install usbutils
>
> if you need to.
>
> All that, to say this:  a single slow USB device on a controller will cause
> the controller to drop to slow (USB 1.1) mode.   Not just a single port
> drops, the whole controller drops.
>
> Plug both devices in at the same time and check lsusb output.  Are they both
> on the same controller.  Check dmesg output.  Did the USB driver complain
> about a 'slow' USB device?
>
> Again, using lsusb, it is possible to plug in the second device in a
> different slot, and have it show up on a different USB controller.
>
> On my laptop (newish) the two ports on the side are together, and the two on
> the back are together on a different controller.  Many laptops use at least
> one USB controller for internal connections.  Mine has an internal
> Bluetooth, and sits on a USB controller.
>
> This problem used to be very problematic when most USB mice and keyboards
> were USB 1.1
>
> Now days, all USB devices should say 2.0 on them somewhere.
>
> Here is a sample output from lsusb:
> -> lsusb
> Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1307:0163 Transcend Information, Inc. 512MB USB Flash
> Drive
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 006 Device 009: ID 046d:c03f Logitech, Inc. UltraX Optical Mouse
> Bus 006 Device 008: ID 050d:0109 Belkin Components F5U109/F5U409 PDA Adapter
> Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 005 Device 003: ID 051d:0002 American Power Conversion Uninterruptible
> Power Supply
> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 003 Device 005: ID 0a5c:4503 Broadcom Corp.
> Bus 003 Device 004: ID 0a5c:4502 Broadcom Corp.
> Bus 003 Device 003: ID 413c:8126 Dell Computer Corp. Wireless 355 Bluetooth
> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0a5c:4500 Broadcom Corp.
> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
>
> The thumb drive and APC are on the side of my laptop on different
> controllers.
> The Belkin USB serial device and the Logitech mouse are plugged into the
> back, and are on the same controller.  Your Mileage will vary.
>
> When my mouse plugs in, dmesg says this:
> usb 6-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 9
> usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
> input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as
> /devices/pci:00/:00:1d.1/usb6/6-2/6-2:1.0/input/input18
> input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on
> usb-:00:1d.1-2
>
> Please note the words/phrases LOW SPEED and 1.1.  If I plugged my thumb
> drive into the back at the same time my mouse was plugged in, in the back,
> transfers would drop to about 1MB/sec.
>
> Good Luck!
>
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Well I learned something today.
My USB stick seems to behave erratically. It behaves as before even when I
have the USB DVDRW connected to the front panel and the USB stick on the back.

>From lsusb output
Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0457:0151 Silicon Integrated Systems Corp.
Super Flash 1GB Flash Drive
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 054c:02d1 Sony Corp.

>From /var/log/messages (google did not showed anything on error -71)

Sep  2 13:54:47 xxx kernel: usb 1-6: new high speed USB device using
ehci_hcd and address 6
Sep  2 13:54:47 xxx kernel: usb 1-6: device descriptor read/all, error -71
Sep  2 13:54:48 xxx kernel: usb 1-6: new high speed USB device using
ehci_hcd and address 7
Sep  2 13:54:48 xxx kernel: usb 1-6: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Sep  2 13:54:48 xxx kernel: scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
Sep  2 13:54:53 xxx kernel: scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access USB007
mini-USB2BU  0.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
Sep  2 13:54:53 xxx kernel: sd 6:0:0:0: [sdd] 1003520 512-byte
hardware sectors (514 MB)
Sep  2 13:54:53 xxx kernel: sd 6:0:0:0: [sdd] Write Protect i

Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Ralf Corsepius]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 17:27 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
> On 02/09/2008, Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > If there is a known date before which packages can be trusted, that
> > should be said. Users who lag the cutting edge will be reassured. People
> > won't have to be checking security logs for a decade if the problem is
> > more recent. People on distributions older than FC8 which are not
> > maintained should be told if the problem goes back that far.
> 
> The infrastructure is up and running.
FC-10/rawhides's infrastructure seems up and running.

FC-9 and FC-8's cvs and buildsys are up again, but no pushes are
happening. In a nutshell, this  means FC-8/F-9's infrastructure is
effectively down.

Ralf




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Re: Fedora 9 Freeze At Login

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 21:12, Kyle Lanigan wrote:
> Well so I got it froze elsewhere now. However, the freeze happens
> before the login loads up only when I add to the kernel line
> "acpi=no". Otherwise, it boots up, let's me enter username and
> password at login and then freezes there.

Many of these problems appear to be hardware related. As I said on a previous 
post, I had to disable acpi in the BIOS of my Asus M2N-X Plus mobo to get 
anything to boot. Then to boot an install CD, more often than not had to add 
acpi=off to the kernel line. I don't remember having to do that for Fedora 8, 
or Fedora 9, and the installs went ok, but post install for Fedora 8, I had 
to add noapic nolapic to the kernel line, and for Fedora 9 acpi=off to the 
kernel line.

I still am getting problems with all the distros that are installed on this 
machine locking up from time to time. The only exception seems to be Kubuntu 
Dapper, which uses a 2.6.15 kernel, mind you perhaps I havn't left that 
running long enough to lock up.

At present I'm booted into Kubuntu HH 8.04, and not only have appended the 
kernel line with acpi=off, but also nosmp.

It's all a bit trial and error, but I'll let it run for a couple of days. 
Normally it should freeze up before that, if it's going to do so.

If adding nosmp, along with acpi=off results in no freeze ups on Kubuntu HH 
8.04, and also the other distros on this machine, I'll post back.

Problems, problems... always problems.

Nigel.

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Re: Local binding port for SSH client?

[Jorge Fábregas]

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 05:00:32 pm Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> Are you looking for a way to control which outgoing port ssh uses?

Yes, this is what I want.  For example, on a remote ACL you may have your 
filters based on:

- destination ip
- destination port
- source ip

I was thinking I could add "source port" to that list..but then , on the 
client side, I'd have to specify local binding port.

Irrespectively of its security merits I'm just curious if it's possible at all 
(with ssh or any other net tool).

Thanks.

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Anders Karlsson]

* Travis Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080902 22:52]:
[drivel snipped]
> > 
> Hey I am currently downloading the ISO dvd to install after I finish my
> day's lessons, is this not a good idea to do?

The word from the Fedora folks on Aug 14th was - don't update until
further notice. Since then, they have - IIRC - said it's safe to do
so. The ISO's should be safe, as well as the packages that you can
update to from the servers.

New updates should start rolling once they have resigned everything.

/Anders

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Re: Local binding port for SSH client?

[Kevin J. Cummings]

Jorge Fábregas wrote:

Hello guys,

I'm wondering if it's possible to specify a local port when one uses the ssh 
client program?  I'm sure the kernel is the one who decides some random port 
above 1024 at execution time...but I'm wondering if there's any way  to 
control this at user level?



Thanks,
Jorge

p.d. all references to local ports on the man page are related to 
port-forwarding which is not the case in this case.


Are you looking for a way to control which outgoing port ssh uses?  Or 
do you want to specify which incoming port to connect to on the remote 
machine?  sshd has a -p option for the latter.  It shouldn't matter 
which outgoing port you use, only which port to connect to on the remote 
machine


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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:52:08 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Travis Arnold) wrote:

> John Aldrich wrote:
...snipp...
> > Unless/until someone from Fedora says "It is safe to install Fedora
> > 9 from the original ISO images distributed when F9 was released" I
> > am not going to trust that they are safe.
> > 
> Hey I am currently downloading the ISO dvd to install after I finish
> my day's lessons, is this not a good idea to do?

From:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-August/msg00012.html

"At this time we are confident there is little
risk to Fedora users who wish to install or upgrade signed Fedora
packages."

This pretty heavily implies to me that the iso images are fine as
shipped when F9 was released. Do you expect the project to announce
each item that is ok? Instead, please expect that anything that was
bad/wrong/shouldn't be used would be heavily announced and removed from
download. 

Also, you might consider using the fedora
unity respin and save yourself some time downloading updates: 
http://spins.fedoraunity.org/spins


> Travis
> 

kevin


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Local binding port for SSH client?

[Jorge Fábregas]

Hello guys,

I'm wondering if it's possible to specify a local port when one uses the ssh 
client program?  I'm sure the kernel is the one who decides some random port 
above 1024 at execution time...but I'm wondering if there's any way  to 
control this at user level?


Thanks,
Jorge

p.d. all references to local ports on the man page are related to 
port-forwarding which is not the case in this case.

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Travis Arnold]

John Aldrich wrote:
> Quoting Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> As noted, the detail I would have liked was to know if this was a
>> failure of system security or a failure of misplaced trust. If there is
>> a hole in their server system security it's likely to be in ours as
>> well.
>>
>> And if someone could say with certainty that packages downloaded before
>> {date} were safe, it would be more reassuring than "there is little
>> risk to Fedora users who wish to install or upgrade signed Fedora
>> packages." If the start date of the problem is known, that would be
>> really good information for people who keep a local repository and
>> don't have to upgrade every new install totally over the network.
>>
> Well, I know someone on this list said I should feel safe in upgrading
> my F6 box to F9. I don't know if that answers your questions or not.
> That being said, I think I'll wait until F10 or until fresh ISO images
> come out. Despite the fact that my only installation is a single,
> personal box, I don't want to risk getting hacked because someone *may*
> have gotten some bogus packages into the system and/or compromised the
> signing key for Fedora.
> 
> Unless/until someone from Fedora says "It is safe to install Fedora 9
> from the original ISO images distributed when F9 was released" I am not
> going to trust that they are safe.
> 
Hey I am currently downloading the ISO dvd to install after I finish my
day's lessons, is this not a good idea to do?

Travis

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Re: Ello, I'm sort of new to the lists...is it best to install from livecd?

[Thomas Cameron]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 08:18 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 08:49 -0400, Travis Arnold wrote:
> > Erm I've been using ubuntu recently but would like to use fedora, but am
> > not sure how to install, is it best to use live cd, or the dvd install
> > medium?  Also how can I have a seperate home directory? the LVM section
> > in the partitioning menu scared me off, I still have the live cd
> > downloaded, but not the dvd, shall I just download that instead?
> > 
> > Thank you
> > 
> > Travis
> > 
> If you use the dvd approach, just before you are going to partition
> using the GUI that installes LVM do this:
> 1. type: ctl-alt-F2 - which will take you toa terminal.
> 2. execute : fdisk /dev/sdx <- x is a, b.etc depending on your disks
> 3. Partition your disk.
> 4. type: ctl-alt-f7 (it may be f6 or f8) which will take you back to the
> installer.
> 5, Continue installation without LVM.

That is actually a lot more complex than it needs to be.  Totally
accurate from a technical standpoint, but you can do the same thing in
the graphical installer by just choosing the "let me do my own
partitioning" choice.

TC

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Re: error messages during ctorrent download

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> You've lost me. Single-case (usually all-caps) has some specific uses,

think about it. bothering to give concern to using caps when 'writing in snow'.
using yellow ink. printing more difficult than cursive.

> [Also, if we're being pedantic (or even just marginally careful)
> questions such as the above should always end in a query mark (?).

not pedantic. i am aware. my error. was distracted by doctor's arrival and
finished without realizing what i had done. reason of visit was of greater
importance than correctness of casual post.

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Latewst announcew list posting

[Aaron Konstam]

For those curious about the status of updates here is te latest scoop.

11]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg01215.html
Intrusion Recovery Slow and Steady

A politely phrased request[1] was made on 25-08-2008 by Mike Chambers
for information about when normal service would resume in the Fedora
Project after the disruptions[1a]. Enigmatically Dominik 'Rathann'
Mierzejewski observed[2] that there had been "some speculation on
fedora-advisory-board that might explain the information blackout, so
please don't jump to conclusions until you really know what happened"
This led Chris Adams to observe that the list archives appeared to be
offline and to restate the request for information "[...] in the absence
of information, rumors and speculation fill the gap (which is not good)."

[1]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg01102.html

[1a]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue140#Mysterious_Fedora_Compromise

[2]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg01122.html

Several days later (on 28-08-2008) a similar request was made[3] by Alan
Dunn. He wondered whether bodhi was pushing updates out again, and Josh
Boyer responded[4] that planning and implementation of "how to revoke
the current gpg key used to sign RPMs" were in progress. Jesse Keating
cautioned[5] that the migration to a new key would be slow "I'm
currently re-signing all of the 8 and 9 content with these new keys so
that we can make them available along with the new updates with the new
key for these product lines. This is going to take some time due to the
nature of how our signing works."

[3]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg01308.html

[4]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg01309.html

[5]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg01310.html

A proposal mooted[6] on @rel-eng by Warren Togami and others provided
some insight into at least the part of the plans that involve the
problem of how to distribute a new package signing key.

[6] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/rel-eng/2008-August/001627.html

"nodata" asked[7] whether the new plans included a means to push out
critical security updates even while there was a general outage. The
thinking behind this seems to be that an attacker could decide to knock
out Fedora infrastructure in order to gain some time to exploit a known
vulnerability even if a simple fix existed. Jesse Keating replied[8]
confidently that in such a scenario the Fedora Project would do
"whatever it takes [...] to get a critical update onto a public
webserver should the need arise" and cautioned against wasting time
trying to plan for every possible scenario. Toshio Kuratomi added[9]
that although it might be possible to speed up recovery "[...]
unfortunately if the infrastructure problem is bad enough, there's no
way we can push package X out until the problem is at least partially
resolved."

[7]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg01313.html

[8]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg01314.html

[9]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg01316.html

On 27-08-2008 Paul Johnson noted that it was possible to "compose and
build" and asked "when will updates via yum become available for
rawhide?" Jeremy Katz responded[10] that "[a]t the moment, the compose
is falling over for new reasons unrelated to the infrastructure changes.
Hopefully we'll see a rawhide make its way out to the masses real soon now."

[10]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg01249.html

Later Mike Chambers and Ola Thoresen reported[11] that updating from
Fedora 9 to Rawhide seemed to be working. Several Rawhide Reports also
appeared[12].

[11]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg01350.html

[12]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg01339.html

= Infrastructure =

This section contains the discussion happening on the
fedora-infrastructure-list

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure

Contributing Writer: HuzaifaSidhpurwala
Some noteworty praise

Paul W. Frields writes for fedora-infrastructure-list [1]

Paul forwarded a mail [2] send by Tim Burke, who is the Director of
Linux Development inside Red Hat, praising the efforts of fedorans who
rose to the occasion to bring things back on track after the recent
incidents in Fedora infrastructure.

[1]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2008-August/msg00149.html

[2]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg01023.html
Maintaining a partial cvs workarea

Axel Thimm writes for fedora-infrastructure-list [3]

Axel described how he was keeping a partial check-out of packages, ie
the ones which he was maintaining. Now he would like to be able to cvs
up and have all updates flow in, but if he does do so cvs will want to
get all 

Re: Fedora home server using core 9

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 13:36, Tim wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:03 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > I must say I was fairly unimpressed with the error I got
> > when browsing to the suggested URL,
> > .
> > I know there was some sort of explanation given for this,
> > and probably a solution; but I am rather lazy,
>
> You're likely to see that sort of thing a bit more often, now, as
> various free projects see the need to use HTTPS, but can't afford the
> high prices charged to get certificates that will be recognised by
> browsers straight away.  They'll get cheaper, or free, certificates
> which you'll need to work out for yourself whether they're trustworthy
> by okaying them one at a time, or by adding a root certificate from
> whomever countersigned theirs.
>
> The average HTTPS website that "just works" for you has paid a lot of
> money to someone like Verisign to assert that they're who they claim to
> be, and your browser came with root certificates for Verisign (to let
> the browser trust Verisign).  Some just can't afford to do that.

Can't afford to buy a certificate? Scientific Linux webadmins? Those who are 
backed up by institutions like Cern and Fermilab (which spend billions of any 
currency one can think of)? Oh, come on... :-)

If their webadmins have put https instead of http, I'd bet it is because of 
encryption capabilities, and if they wanted a certificate from Verisign or 
elsewhere I am sure they could afford one. I seriously doubt they are 
interested in https because of potential hoax sites (not saying that they 
should not worry about hoaxes, though).

:-)
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Re: Fedora home server using core 9

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Monday 01 September 2008 07:12, g wrote:
> Frode Petersen wrote:
> > Just curious, as I'm about to install one of them alongside F9: Is there
> > any reason to choose one over the other? My impression is that they are
> > pretty much equivalent choices, but that might be a superficial
> > observation for all I know.
>
> in fairness to centos, i tried it a few years back, but felt it a bit
> awkward. i have been told that it has improved, but i have not tried it
> again, so i can not offer comparison of it to sl [scientific linux].
[snip]
> i would hate to think that either fermi or cern would use something that
> they did not feel totally safe with.
>
> i do not consider what i do to be anywhere near as critical or crucial, but
> it is comforting to know that i am in 'good company' with my system and
> data.
>
> as far as support, these people are 'professional'. what more can one ask
> for?

Ok, everyone already pointed out that both SL and CentOS are almost identical 
clones of RHEL. So each of those distros should give you more-or-less 
equivalent functionality.

But the real reason for the existence of SL is not just "yet another distro".  
The SL distro has rather specific purpose --- to form a common basic 
operating system infrastructure for all institutions that are to become and 
operate as "grid sites" (see the CERN homepage to find out about "the grid").

This means the following --- in the future, RHEL and derivatives (like CentOS) 
might possibly push some updates that could interfere with the custom-made 
grid middleware software installed on those sites. If all sites were running 
--- say --- CentOS, this single system/whatever update could threaten to 
bring down the whole grid.

This is of course unacceptable, so Cern and Fermilab decided to roll their own 
RHEL clone, and *require* all grid sites to use it, in order to have control 
over what updates get pushed to them, and eventually refrain some "dangerous" 
updates made at RHEL to reach the grid sites. And they have a team of experts 
carefully examining each update of RHEL/CentOS/whatever to render it "safe" 
or "unsafe" for SL.

This is of course neccessary for grid sites, but for an ordinary user this 
means that SL will in time start lagging behind in being updated, and some 
updates may well never reach the users of SL.

The bottom line is that SL, CentOS and RHEL are equivalent *now*, but in 
future this may/will not be so, and SL will be regarded as "older".

If I were an ordinary user/admin of a system unrelated to Cern and/or grid 
stuff, I would stick to CentOS and leave SL to people who really need it and 
use it. SL has a well defined target of who its users are and what it is used 
for --- if you do not recognize yourself to be among those target users, my 
suggestion is to leave it alone.

HTH, :-)
Marko

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Re: When will Yum updates be working again?

[Anders Karlsson]

* Steve Repo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080902 21:09]:
> This whole incident has kept the rumors mills very busy and _still_
> there isn't been a responsible response from Fedora.  An update
> (useful) every couple of days on status (what they are working on)
> would help users ..after all this is a "community" distribution? Or is
> it really?

Hmm... I have this conundrum with the customers I handle. Do I piss
them off by telling them every 48 hours (for weeks or months) "Sorry
guys, I don't really have anything to tell you". Or - do I tell them
(as has been done here with Fedora) "Hi there, there's nothing more to
tell you right now, so I'll update you when there is news."

Now, most customers actually prefer the second option. Amazingly,
paying customers seem to have more sense as well, realising that
silence from the last message actually means there is nothing new to
tell.

The tinfoil-hat contingency will of course piss petrol on any bonfire
of rumours just so they can carry on wild speculation and deride the
people actually working on restoring service. There's thanks for
you...

Here's a thought... The rumour-mongers could actually *shut up* for a
change! But I guess a snowflake in Hell have a better odds than that
happening.

> Some users could actually might volunteer to help speed up the process.

They could volunteer, but I doubt they'd be let anywhere near the
servers in question. This is not the time to introduce a plethora of
unknowns into the mix.

/Anders

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Re: USB slow when two devices connected

[Chris Tyler]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 13:26 -0600, Phil Meyer wrote:
> All that, to say this:  a single slow USB device on a controller will 
> cause the controller to drop to slow (USB 1.1) mode.   Not just a single 
> port drops, the whole controller drops.

Slightly expanded:

(a) USB 1.1 vs. USB 2.0 isn't directly related to speed -- USB 1.1
supports low (1.5 Mbps) and full (12 Mbps) speeds; USB 2.0 adds support
for high (480 Mbps) speed. USB 2.0 devices don't *have* to operate at
full speed, though -- e.g., a true USB 2.0-certified keyboard is still
going to send your scancodes to the host at low speed.

(b) Using a low- or full-speed device doesn't force that controller
(actually pair of controllers - EHCI+UHCI) into a low- or full-speed
mode -- low-/full- and high-speed connections can be interleaved.
However, USB is a shared bus, and use of the bus is scheduled in time
slices, so as an example transferring 8 Mbps at full speed (plus control
overhead) will use the bus just over 2/3rd of the time, reducing the
time available for full speed transfers to less than 1/3 (<160 Mbps),
yielding a total throughput of under 168 Mbps. This can be alleviated by
using a hub with a transaction translator, which will buffer low- or
full-speed transfers and send them in bursts to the host at high speed
(and vice versa for data coming from the host) to mitigate the impact of
the low- and full-speed devices on the high-speed ones.


> This problem used to be very problematic when most USB mice and 
> keyboards were USB 1.1
> 
> Now days, all USB devices should say 2.0 on them somewhere.

Even a Certified USB 2.0 mouse will operate at low speed (I haven't seen
any 480 Mbps mice!). For example, from /proc/bus/usb/devices on my
desktop:

T:  Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=03 Port=02 Cnt=03 Dev#=  9 Spd=1.5 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=046d ProdID=c00e Rev=11.10
S:  Manufacturer=Logitech
S:  Product=USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=a0 MxPwr= 98mA
I:* If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID  ) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usbhid
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   4 Ivl=10ms

Note the "Ver= 2.00" in the D: line (USB version 2.0), but "Spd=1.5" in
the T: line (low speed, 1.5 Mbps).

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Re: Where the h%^&^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part III

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 14:40 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Steve Searle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Around 08:06pm on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 (UK time), Arthur Pemberton 
> > scrawled:
> >
> >> > Or: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing groupupdate KDE
> >>
> >>
> >> I wish that option was listed in `yum -h`
> >
> > It is:
> >
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]:~)$ yum -h | grep enab
> >  --enablerepo=[repo]   enable one or more repositories (wildcards allowed)
> >  --obsoletes   enable obsoletes processing during updates
> 
> referring to 'groupupdate'

It's in the yum manual, but yes it should also be in the help. File a
bug.

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Re: error messages during ctorrent download

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 19:04 +, g wrote:
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> 
> 
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> 
> > If you want to write a slogan you can do whatever seems best. If you
> > want to write a paragraph of text with a view to people reading and
> > understanding it, that's a different matter.
> 
> lol.
> 
> how about just making statements.

You've lost me. Single-case (usually all-caps) has some specific uses,
which doesn't include making simple statements apart from slogans,
mottos etc. Everything else should be in mixed case. This is elementary
English orthography as I'm sure you know.

[Also, if we're being pedantic (or even just marginally careful)
questions such as the above should always end in a query mark (?).
That's not optional either. Note that this applies to questions that are
specifically phrased as such. Saying "I think there's a bug in foo?" is
not a question, despite what you see on mailing lists, while "Is there a
bug in foo?" is.]

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RE: Udev net issues

[Joseph L. Casale]

>One further clarification:
>
>To make a 'clean' system disk that can be put into another system,
>remove all the /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistant* and
>/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/*eth? and
>/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/*wlan? and /etc/X11/xorg.conf files.

I think you found the error in my way! I was running while I did it.
I'll keep this email and refer back to it next time.

Out of curiosity now, I also deleted my xorg.conf but if I leave inittab set to 
5
it hangs? If I boot to 3, then init 5, it works fine? It also didn't recreate 
the
xorg.conf file?

Thanks for everything!
jlc

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Re: Udev net issues

[Phil Meyer]

Phil Meyer wrote:

Joseph L. Casale wrote:

Good question, and yes, udev DOES keep track.

check in /etc/udev/rules.d for file names with *persistant* in them.
There are several, and one for -- you guessed it -- network/NIC data.

By removing the persistent file(s), udev will rebuild it with the
correct/current info.

This is how you install on one platform and put that disk into 
another.:

Remove the udev persistant rules in the post-install.



Phil,
This is exactly what I did, I moved the file out altogether.
Should I have simply removed the line in it? It recreated the
file next boot with the old mac address only to still cause issues!

Thanks,
jlc

  


Yes, do not move (mv) the file, remove  (rm) it.  Copy it first to 
some other directory if you wish, but do not leave any trace of the 
original file anywhere udev can find it. :)


Good Luck!



One further clarification:

To make a 'clean' system disk that can be put into another system, 
remove all the /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistant* and 
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/*eth? and 
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/*wlan? and /etc/X11/xorg.conf files.


I always do this in a post install, and have not tried it on a live 
system.  It may be necessary to do this from a rescue disk.  I do not 
know if a running udev will 'let you' remove that data.


Sorry to not be able to verify the steps on a previously running 
system.  I just don't do those. 

However, every day I use a virtual machine on my desktop to install an 
OS on Compact Flash Cards, and thumb drives, to be used in a variety of 
equipment.  This method works perfectly for that, with the exception 
that I have to also rebuild the initrd image with drivers that anaconda 
did not see during the install.


Here is what I use, for the curious:

My %post section includes this:

#
# fix udev rules for fake interfaces
#
rm -f /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
rm -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf
#
cat << _EOF > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
#
DEVICE=eth0
BOOTPROTO=dhcp
HWADDR=
IPV6INIT=no
ONBOOT=yes
DHCP_HOSTNAME=skid
TYPE=Ethernet
_EOF
#
# make sure usb-storage is in the initrd image
#
kernel=`ls /boot/vmli* | awk -F\- '{printf("%s-%s\n", $2,$3)}'`
initrd="/boot/initrd-${kernel}.img"
rm $initrd
mkinitrd --preload=ehci-hcd --preload=ahci --preload=libata 
--preload=jbd --preload=ohci-hcd --preload=uhci-hcd 
--preload=scsi_wait_scan --preload=usb-storage --preload=scsi_mod 
--preload=sd_mod --preload=pata_amd --preload=ata_generic 
--preload=pata_cs5536 --preload=pata_acpi $initrd $kernel

#


Good Luck

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Re: Where the h%^&^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part III

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Steve Searle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Around 08:06pm on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 (UK time), Arthur Pemberton 
> scrawled:
>
>> > Or: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing groupupdate KDE
>>
>>
>> I wish that option was listed in `yum -h`
>
> It is:
>
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]:~)$ yum -h | grep enab
>  --enablerepo=[repo]   enable one or more repositories (wildcards allowed)
>  --obsoletes   enable obsoletes processing during updates

referring to 'groupupdate'

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Re: USB slow when two devices connected

[Phil Meyer]

Aldo Foot wrote:

My F8 system has two USB ports in the front side.
I had a USB DVDRW connected to one of the ports and was writing an ISO
image to CDR.
Then I plugged in a USB stick to transfer some files from it to my
desktop, the transfer
was stalling and was slow even after the CDR task ended. Then I
unplugged the DVDRW
and the USB stick transfer rate was as fast as lightning.
Why was the USB stick file transfer so slow when the DVDRW was plugged in?

~af

  


Most modern mother boards offer as many as 8 USB ports on as many as 4 
different USB controllers.  However, there are many motherboards that 
offer only 4 total USB ports on a single controller.


lsusb is useful to determine what's what in your particular system.

# yum install usbutils

if you need to.

All that, to say this:  a single slow USB device on a controller will 
cause the controller to drop to slow (USB 1.1) mode.   Not just a single 
port drops, the whole controller drops.


Plug both devices in at the same time and check lsusb output.  Are they 
both on the same controller.  Check dmesg output.  Did the USB driver 
complain about a 'slow' USB device?


Again, using lsusb, it is possible to plug in the second device in a 
different slot, and have it show up on a different USB controller.


On my laptop (newish) the two ports on the side are together, and the 
two on the back are together on a different controller.  Many laptops 
use at least one USB controller for internal connections.  Mine has an 
internal Bluetooth, and sits on a USB controller.


This problem used to be very problematic when most USB mice and 
keyboards were USB 1.1


Now days, all USB devices should say 2.0 on them somewhere.

Here is a sample output from lsusb:
-> lsusb
Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1307:0163 Transcend Information, Inc. 512MB USB 
Flash Drive

Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 006 Device 009: ID 046d:c03f Logitech, Inc. UltraX Optical Mouse
Bus 006 Device 008: ID 050d:0109 Belkin Components F5U109/F5U409 PDA Adapter
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 003: ID 051d:0002 American Power Conversion 
Uninterruptible Power Supply

Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 005: ID 0a5c:4503 Broadcom Corp.
Bus 003 Device 004: ID 0a5c:4502 Broadcom Corp.
Bus 003 Device 003: ID 413c:8126 Dell Computer Corp. Wireless 355 Bluetooth
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0a5c:4500 Broadcom Corp.
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

The thumb drive and APC are on the side of my laptop on different 
controllers.
The Belkin USB serial device and the Logitech mouse are plugged into the 
back, and are on the same controller.  Your Mileage will vary.


When my mouse plugs in, dmesg says this:
usb 6-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 9
usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as 
/devices/pci:00/:00:1d.1/usb6/6-2/6-2:1.0/input/input18
input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on 
usb-:00:1d.1-2


Please note the words/phrases LOW SPEED and 1.1.  If I plugged my thumb 
drive into the back at the same time my mouse was plugged in, in the 
back, transfers would drop to about 1MB/sec.


Good Luck!

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Re: Where the h%^&^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part III

[Steve Searle]

Around 08:06pm on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 (UK time), Arthur Pemberton 
scrawled:

> > Or: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing groupupdate KDE
> 
> 
> I wish that option was listed in `yum -h`

It is:

([EMAIL PROTECTED]:~)$ yum -h | grep enab
  --enablerepo=[repo]   enable one or more repositories (wildcards allowed)
  --obsoletes   enable obsoletes processing during updates


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Re: Fedora 9 Freeze At Login

[Kyle Lanigan]

Well so I got it froze elsewhere now. However, the freeze happens  
before the login loads up only when I add to the kernel line  
"acpi=no". Otherwise, it boots up, let's me enter username and  
password at login and then freezes there.





On 2-Sep-08, at 11:50 AM, Nigel Henry wrote:


On Tuesday 02 September 2008 18:21, Kyle Lanigan wrote:

On 2-Sep-08, at 8:55 AM, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:

On 9/2/08, Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Kyle Lanigan wrote:

Have you tried logging in in text mode?


...

Earlier you might have been able to enter text mode by Ctrl-Alt- 
F1,

or alternatively by using something like Knoppix to edit /etc/
inittab
and change id:5 to id:3 .


The Live CD works amazingly fine on my computer.
If possible, could you give an in-depth instruction on what to do
with
the ID:5 change to ID:3?


Firstly, I'm no Fedora guru, and the other Tim is much more likely
than me
to have the correct diagnosis.

It is just that if the system freezes in this sort of way,
my first step would be to eliminate problems with X by running in
text-mode.

One way to do this is to edit /etc/inittab, and change the line
id:5:initdefault:
to
id:3:initdefault:

This line in inittab determines which mode linux boots into.


I had to do exactly that cause after install, when I tried to log  
in,

my system froze. In my case there is something wrong trying to boot
into X mode directly. If I boot in runlevel 3 and then startx, I  
have

no problems.
However, if I kill the X server (or normal logout) and then try to
start it up again with startx, the system hangs up again (can't  
kill X

server, the kernel doesn't seem to catch the ACPI events when I push
the switch off button...)

Kyle, do you see any unexpected image after typing your name and
password, some bizarre screen or is it just a clear frozen image of
your desktop?


Yea, it's just a clear image the desktop background while mouse,
keyboard and everything else just sits frozen there.

I'm gonna give a go to some of the other suggestions to see if that
lets Fedora run.



Sincerely,
Kyle Lanigan


I've had a whole bunch of similar problems on a new machine I built,  
using and
Asus M2N-X Plus mobo. To boot anything, that is live cd's, or  
install cd's, I
had to disable acpi on the mobo. Then to boot the install cd's I had  
to add

boot options, mainly acpi=off to the kernel line to avoid the machine
freezing up. Post install, I've had to add acpi=off to /boot/grub/ 
grub.conf,

or /boot/grub/menu.lst in most cases.

Regarding the Fedora 9 install on this machine, Fedora 9 installed  
ok, but
post-install locked up the machine when X tried to start, and before  
the GDM
login screen opened. A hard reset, and adding acpi=off to the kernel  
line in
Grub, got the machine booted up ok, but after the machine is running  
for some
hours, perhaps days, I again get the machine locking up for no  
apparent

reason.

Another suggestion I saw was to add nosmp to the kernel line (along  
with
acpi=off|), if you don't have a dual core processor, which I don't  
have. I'm
currently trying this on my Kubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04 install, which  
locks up

from time to time, as does F8, F9, Debian Etch, and Kubuntu GG 7.10.

This is all a bit trial and error as far as I'm concerned, and am  
simply

trying to resolve a problem.

If it works, it works, and if it doesn't work, I'll try something  
else.


2¢ worth of perhaps nothing.

Nigel.







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Sincerely,
Kyle Lanigan


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Re: error messages during ctorrent download

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> any particular reason you used:
> badblocks -w  /dev/sdb1
> instead of:
> badblocks -n  /dev/sdb1

yes.

from 'man badblocks'

 -n  Use non-destructive read-write mode.  By  default  only  a  non-
 destructive  read-only  test  is  done.  This option must not be
 combined with the -w option, as they are mutually exclusive.

 -s  Show the progress of the scan by writing out the  block  numbers
 as they are checked.

 -v  Verbose mode.

 -w  Use  write-mode  test. With this option, badblocks scans for bad
 blocks by writing some patterns  (0xaa,  0x55,  0xff,  0x00)  on
 every block of the device, reading every block and comparing the
 contents.  This option may not be combined with the  -n  option,
 as they are mutually exclusive.


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Re: When will Yum updates be working again?

[Steve Repo]

>>>
> I would say it has been asked but not answered, many times.

 It's been answered, just not with a specific time, which is obviously
 what everyone wants, but ... "sometime" is still an answer.
>>>
>>> You are easily satisfied.
>>> If you asked what time the plane leaves,
>>> and you were told "Sometime",
>>> would you find that a completely acceptable answer?
>>
>> I might accept "the plane won't be leaving for a while because we have
>> discovered a serious fault, and the engineers have to manually check
>> each and every seat and oxygen mask for it before we can announce it
>> may depart". It might not make me happy, but it's an answer.
>
> I guess that the problem with "sometime" is not so much that it's not
> specific enough, but that it's not specific *at* *all*. OK fine, my
> plane wont leave on time -- should I go get a room or do you expect it
> to leave soon enough that I should just stay put?
>
> Does anybody in the know have any idea whatsoever about when updates
> might again start flowing? Will it be in the next day or two, or
> should we all just cool our jets until October?
>

This whole incident has kept the rumors mills very busy and _still_
there isn't been a responsible response from Fedora.  An update
(useful) every couple of days on status (what they are working on)
would help users ..after all this is a "community" distribution? Or is
it really?

Some users could actually might volunteer to help speed up the process.

Steve

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Re: Where the h%^&^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part III

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 17:00 +0100, dexter wrote:
>> On Tue September 2 2008 09:23:17 linuxguy wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 09:41 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
>> > > linuxguy wrote:
>> > > > So where the #$%^&*(  is KDE4.1 ?  And don't tell me its in testing !
>> > >
>> > > If it makes you feel better, we had queue'd it for stable shortly before
>> > > all the security hubbub, and it's been blocking on getting that all
>> > > sorted out first.
>> >
>> > So are you saying that KDE4.1 is sitting in testing, but that if it
>> > weren't for the security stuff it would be in stable ?
>>
>> Yes he is, read up on how the bits reach you and what you can do.
>>
>> > If so, how do I easily install ONLY KDE4.1 from testing without
>> > installing a bunch of unstable stuff ?
>>
>> Your idea of stability may need an adjustment, If you trust your mirror do:
>> # sudo yum update kde\* --enablerepo=updates-testing
>
> Or: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing groupupdate KDE


I wish that option was listed in `yum -h`


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Re: error messages during ctorrent download

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Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> If you want to write a slogan you can do whatever seems best. If you
> want to write a paragraph of text with a view to people reading and
> understanding it, that's a different matter.

lol.

how about just making statements.

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Re: Help! DVD-RW drive access/writing error

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 10:58 -0400, Gary Waters wrote:
> Hello from newbieland!
> 
> I'm running FC8. Everything has been working fine until I tried to
> make a backup DVD this morning. I inserted the blank, the nautilus
> Disc burning interface popped up...it said  "Choose disc type"...I
> chose "Make DVD." When I click "write to disc" and subsequently click
> on "Write," I get the following error message:
> 
> Error writing to disc
> There was an error writing to the disc:
> The recorder could not be accessed.
> 
> I also noticed K3B also does not find a drive. The drive itself works
> fine in windows. I have no idea how to troubleshoot this one. Googling
> resulted in very sketchy information. Thie is a acer aspire 3680
> notebook. I have created DVD's with it quite a few times in the past,
> but haven't used it much recently. I have no idea what caused this
> change. Help! Please!

Take a look at the thread starting at
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-August/msg03824.html
for some ideas on what to try.

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USB slow when two devices connected

[Aldo Foot]

My F8 system has two USB ports in the front side.
I had a USB DVDRW connected to one of the ports and was writing an ISO
image to CDR.
Then I plugged in a USB stick to transfer some files from it to my
desktop, the transfer
was stalling and was slow even after the CDR task ended. Then I
unplugged the DVDRW
and the USB stick transfer rate was as fast as lightning.
Why was the USB stick file transfer so slow when the DVDRW was plugged in?

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Re: Udev net issues

[Phil Meyer]

Joseph L. Casale wrote:

Good question, and yes, udev DOES keep track.

check in /etc/udev/rules.d for file names with *persistant* in them.
There are several, and one for -- you guessed it -- network/NIC data.

By removing the persistent file(s), udev will rebuild it with the
correct/current info.

This is how you install on one platform and put that disk into another.:
Remove the udev persistant rules in the post-install.



Phil,
This is exactly what I did, I moved the file out altogether.
Should I have simply removed the line in it? It recreated the
file next boot with the old mac address only to still cause issues!

Thanks,
jlc

  


Yes, do not move (mv) the file, remove  (rm) it.  Copy it first to some 
other directory if you wish, but do not leave any trace of the original 
file anywhere udev can find it. :)


Good Luck!

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Re: error messages during ctorrent download

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 18:22 +, g wrote:
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> 
> Bill Crawford wrote:
> 
> > If the operative concept is communication, using punctuation and
> > capitalisation enhances that for native English speakers (well,
> > readers, but the same principle applies to speaking: a little
> > intonation and inflection helps a lot).
> 
> does that mean when i write in snow, that even tho i dot 'i's and
> cross 't's, i still need to capitalize?

If you want to write a slogan you can do whatever seems best. If you
want to write a paragraph of text with a view to people reading and
understanding it, that's a different matter.

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HowTo Change the Login Window?

[Marc Ferguson]

Hi All,

I would like to know how to access and/or change the "login window" for
Fedora 9.  I was told it's changed dramatically; we're not using GDM or it's
been split, blah blah blah.  I don't know what any of that means, I'm a
newb.  I'd like to install a theme I found on Gnome-Look.org, but so far all
the sites the folks in the chat room showed me didn't really say how to make
the changes, or I'm just now reading it right:

http://live.gnome.org/GDM/2.22/Configuration
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-Desktop.html#sn-GNOMEDisplayManager

Thanks for any clarrification.

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Re: Where the h%^&^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part III

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 17:00 +0100, dexter wrote:
> On Tue September 2 2008 09:23:17 linuxguy wrote:
> > On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 09:41 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > linuxguy wrote:
> > > > So where the #$%^&*(  is KDE4.1 ?  And don't tell me its in testing !
> > >
> > > If it makes you feel better, we had queue'd it for stable shortly before
> > > all the security hubbub, and it's been blocking on getting that all
> > > sorted out first.
> >
> > So are you saying that KDE4.1 is sitting in testing, but that if it
> > weren't for the security stuff it would be in stable ?
> 
> Yes he is, read up on how the bits reach you and what you can do.
> 
> > If so, how do I easily install ONLY KDE4.1 from testing without
> > installing a bunch of unstable stuff ?
> 
> Your idea of stability may need an adjustment, If you trust your mirror do:
> # sudo yum update kde\* --enablerepo=updates-testing

Or: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing groupupdate KDE

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Re: A simple bash case question...

[Dave Ihnat]

On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Dan Thurman wrote:
> I am trying to figure out how to do the following:
> ...
> Any advice?

Get rid of the ||, just use |.
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Re: When will Yum updates be working again?

[Alan Evans]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Bill Crawford
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 02/09/2008, Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Bill Crawford wrote:
>>
 I would say it has been asked but not answered, many times.
>>>
>>> It's been answered, just not with a specific time, which is obviously
>>> what everyone wants, but ... "sometime" is still an answer.
>>
>> You are easily satisfied.
>> If you asked what time the plane leaves,
>> and you were told "Sometime",
>> would you find that a completely acceptable answer?
>
> I might accept "the plane won't be leaving for a while because we have
> discovered a serious fault, and the engineers have to manually check
> each and every seat and oxygen mask for it before we can announce it
> may depart". It might not make me happy, but it's an answer.

I guess that the problem with "sometime" is not so much that it's not
specific enough, but that it's not specific *at* *all*. OK fine, my
plane wont leave on time -- should I go get a room or do you expect it
to leave soon enough that I should just stay put?

Does anybody in the know have any idea whatsoever about when updates
might again start flowing? Will it be in the next day or two, or
should we all just cool our jets until October?

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Re: error messages during ctorrent download

[Todd Denniston]

g wrote, On 09/02/2008 02:23 PM:



shutting down and going off line for a while. need to move my iso's to main
/home drive and run 'badblocks' test to see if i can get this /home drive to
either bomb on out or rebuild itself.


ran 'badblocks -svw -p 5 /dev/sdb1', no errors.

possible 'selinux' did not like way 'ctorrent' was using a predefined
file size, even tho it gave errors in only first 400 meg of file.



any particular reason you used:
badblocks -w  /dev/sdb1
instead of:
badblocks -n  /dev/sdb1

or
e2fsck -fvy -k -c -c /dev/sdb1
???



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Re: strange behavior of vim syntax highlighting

[Aaron Konstam]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 15:42 +0200, Uwe Kiewel wrote:
> Gilboa Davara schrieb:
> > On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 15:00 +0200, Uwe Kiewel wrote:
> >> Hi world,
> >>
> >> I've got a problem using vim's syntax highlighting feature.
> >>
> >> System: Runlevel 5, KDE, Fedora 8
> >>
> >> - in a text console (STRG-ALT-F1)-> it works
> >> - ssh to localhost or ssh from a remote system -> it works
> >> - as user doing su - user -> it works
> >> - opening a xterm in KDE -> it doesn't work
> >>
> >>
> >> My question: What is the difference between the first 3 ways and the
> >> last one in allocating the vim environment?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>Uwe
> >>
> > 
> > What's the output of xterm's TERM?
> > $ echo $TERM
> > 
> > ... Try:
> > $ TERM=xterm-color vim ...
> > 
> > - Gilboa
> > 
> 
> Well, thanks for the answer. Now, I found out vi=!vim. With vim I have
> syntax high lighting everywhere, with vi no. So, I'll make a alias.
> 
> Thanks,   
>   Uwe
> 
It should have already been an alias by default.
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Re: When will Yum updates be working again?

[Aaron Konstam]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 17:07 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Bill Crawford wrote:
> 
> >> I would say it has been asked but not answered, many times.
> > 
> > It's been answered, just not with a specific time, which is obviously
> > what everyone wants, but ... "sometime" is still an answer. 
> 
> You are easily satisfied.
> If you asked what time the plane leaves,
> and you were told "Sometime",
> would you find that a completely acceptable answer?
> 
The latest fedora-announce-list posting says that they are still working
on it with no ETA given.
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Re: error messages during ctorrent download

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shutting down and going off line for a while. need to move my iso's to main
/home drive and run 'badblocks' test to see if i can get this /home drive to
either bomb on out or rebuild itself.


ran 'badblocks -svw -p 5 /dev/sdb1', no errors.

possible 'selinux' did not like way 'ctorrent' was using a predefined
file size, even tho it gave errors in only first 400 meg of file.

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.

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Re: error messages during ctorrent download

[g]

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Bill Crawford wrote:

> If the operative concept is communication, using punctuation and
> capitalisation enhances that for native English speakers (well,
> readers, but the same principle applies to speaking: a little
> intonation and inflection helps a lot).

does that mean when i write in snow, that even tho i dot 'i's and
cross 't's, i still need to capitalize?

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Re: Fedora home server using core 9

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Timothy Murphy wrote:

> with web-pages that I cannot read because they are pink with blue text.
> Doubtless I could change the colours if I were sufficiently interested.

another 'error' by your browser.

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Re: Fedora home server using core 9

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Timothy Murphy wrote:

> I must say I was fairly unimpressed with the error I got
> when browsing to the suggested URL, .

you were informed of what you are calling an 'error',
before you logged site, yet you still complain.

to me, this is just an indication, of lack of understanding
of supposed error, which really is not an error.

therefor, i am unimpressed with your non legitimate complaint.

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[John Aldrich]

Quoting Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


As noted, the detail I would have liked was to know if this was a
failure of system security or a failure of misplaced trust. If there is
a hole in their server system security it's likely to be in ours as
well.

And if someone could say with certainty that packages downloaded before
{date} were safe, it would be more reassuring than "there is little
risk to Fedora users who wish to install or upgrade signed Fedora
packages." If the start date of the problem is known, that would be
really good information for people who keep a local repository and
don't have to upgrade every new install totally over the network.

Well, I know someone on this list said I should feel safe in upgrading  
my F6 box to F9. I don't know if that answers your questions or not.  
That being said, I think I'll wait until F10 or until fresh ISO images  
come out. Despite the fact that my only installation is a single,  
personal box, I don't want to risk getting hacked because someone  
*may* have gotten some bogus packages into the system and/or  
compromised the signing key for Fedora.


Unless/until someone from Fedora says "It is safe to install Fedora 9  
from the original ISO images distributed when F9 was released" I am  
not going to trust that they are safe.


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Re: A simple bash case question...

[Dan Thurman]

Dave Ihnat wrote:


On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Dan Thurman wrote:
> I am trying to figure out how to do the following:
> ...
> Any advice?

Get rid of the ||, just use |.


Yup!  That worked!
Thanks!

Dan

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Re: Putting files (images in particular) in a 'custom' order

[Frode Petersen]

... and they'd *still* come out in filename (or possibly date) order
and not the order I want.



You're absolutely right! I should have read the message more thoroughly. 
I thought you had two sequences of images and wanted to choose one or 
the other of each pair (i.e. 1A, 2B, 3B, 4A...)


I haven't been able to find a way to do what you describe, short of 
copying the images into a new album and renaming them. One would think 
that manual sorting was a natural thing to do when creating galleries or 
presentations, but there was no such thing in those plugins either.


gThumb is supposed to be able to use manual sorting, but that option was 
grayed out in the menu on this system.


Maybe there is a separate app for handling slideshows and galleries 
geared a bit more towards pro photography that could have sort of a 
virtual lightbox?


Frode

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Re: Fedora 9 Freeze At Login

[Nigel Henry]

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 18:21, Kyle Lanigan wrote:
> On 2-Sep-08, at 8:55 AM, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
> > On 9/2/08, Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Kyle Lanigan wrote:
> >> Have you tried logging in in text mode?
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
>  Earlier you might have been able to enter text mode by Ctrl-Alt-F1,
>  or alternatively by using something like Knoppix to edit /etc/
>  inittab
>  and change id:5 to id:3 .
> >>>
> >>> The Live CD works amazingly fine on my computer.
> >>> If possible, could you give an in-depth instruction on what to do
> >>> with
> >>> the ID:5 change to ID:3?
> >>
> >> Firstly, I'm no Fedora guru, and the other Tim is much more likely
> >> than me
> >> to have the correct diagnosis.
> >>
> >> It is just that if the system freezes in this sort of way,
> >> my first step would be to eliminate problems with X by running in
> >> text-mode.
> >>
> >> One way to do this is to edit /etc/inittab, and change the line
> >> id:5:initdefault:
> >> to
> >> id:3:initdefault:
> >>
> >> This line in inittab determines which mode linux boots into.
> >
> > I had to do exactly that cause after install, when I tried to log in,
> > my system froze. In my case there is something wrong trying to boot
> > into X mode directly. If I boot in runlevel 3 and then startx, I have
> > no problems.
> > However, if I kill the X server (or normal logout) and then try to
> > start it up again with startx, the system hangs up again (can't kill X
> > server, the kernel doesn't seem to catch the ACPI events when I push
> > the switch off button...)
> >
> > Kyle, do you see any unexpected image after typing your name and
> > password, some bizarre screen or is it just a clear frozen image of
> > your desktop?
>
> Yea, it's just a clear image the desktop background while mouse,
> keyboard and everything else just sits frozen there.
>
> I'm gonna give a go to some of the other suggestions to see if that
> lets Fedora run.

> Sincerely,
>  Kyle Lanigan

I've had a whole bunch of similar problems on a new machine I built, using and 
Asus M2N-X Plus mobo. To boot anything, that is live cd's, or install cd's, I 
had to disable acpi on the mobo. Then to boot the install cd's I had to add 
boot options, mainly acpi=off to the kernel line to avoid the machine 
freezing up. Post install, I've had to add acpi=off to /boot/grub/grub.conf, 
or /boot/grub/menu.lst in most cases.

Regarding the Fedora 9 install on this machine, Fedora 9 installed ok, but 
post-install locked up the machine when X tried to start, and before the GDM 
login screen opened. A hard reset, and adding acpi=off to the kernel line in 
Grub, got the machine booted up ok, but after the machine is running for some 
hours, perhaps days, I again get the machine locking up for no apparent 
reason.

Another suggestion I saw was to add nosmp to the kernel line (along with 
acpi=off|), if you don't have a dual core processor, which I don't have. I'm 
currently trying this on my Kubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04 install, which locks up 
from time to time, as does F8, F9, Debian Etch, and Kubuntu GG 7.10.

This is all a bit trial and error as far as I'm concerned, and am simply 
trying to resolve a problem.

If it works, it works, and if it doesn't work, I'll try something else.

2¢ worth of perhaps nothing.

Nigel.







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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Anders Karlsson]

* Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080902 19:15]:
> Bill Crawford wrote:
>>
>>> When and how did the intrusion occur?  How was it initially detected?
>>
>> *shrug*
>>
>> I don't actually need to know, so I'm not making a fuss.
>
> Everyone needs to whether or not they are at risk with the same  
> vulnerability and how to detect it.

Les,

This has been gone over more than once, and you have been involved in
the discussions. You already know what has been said, so there is
really no need to rehash it again.

>> I suspect, as has been hinted at here multiple times, there may be
>> legal reasons why they haven't provided you with some of the details
>> you would like to see.
>>
>> I'd suggest re-reading the announcement that Paul W. Frields sent out
>> (url below) and then, should you really, really feel the need to know
>> more, I'd suggest you contact whoever at the Fedora Project you pay
>> for support, complaining about your SLA not being met ;o)
>>
>> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-August/msg00012.html
>
> This is about community, not SLA's.  Communities are easily alienated  
> when not included in needed communications.  I'd suggest reconsidering  
> whether your community is important or not.

I keep hearing this statement from a small but rather vocal selection
of people. This selection of people has a rather large overlap with
another small selection of people who is keen on complaining about a
lot of other things about the Fedora project.

Follow announce-list, when there is news, it'll be posted there.

/Anders

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RE: F9 install: anaconda fails: Unable to read package metadata.

[landon kelsey]

I installed F9 just after it came out.

I've never had luck with updates Fn to F(n+1)

The question was just for my curiosity..thanks!



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:02:17 -0430
> Subject: RE: F9 install: anaconda fails: Unable to read package metadata.
> 
> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:00 -0500, landon kelsey wrote:
>> I've always wondered: If I have F8 and do frequent "yum update" s do I
>> have essentially F9 when F9 arrives!
> 
> F9 arrived months ago. The next one is F10, around October-Novemeber.
> 
> Anyway, you have to explicitly upgrade. There are many threads on this
> list explaining what to do, plus the Fedora web pages. If you have
> problems I'm sure lots of people will be willing to help.
> 
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A simple bash case question...

[Dan Thurman]

I am trying to figure out how to do the following:

case $foo in

   "one" || "two)
  process_One_Two ;;
   "three")
  process_Three ;;
   "four" || "five")
  process_Four_Five ;;
   *) echo "Nothing to process" ;;
esac

The problem I am having is getting "one" || "Two"
or "four" || "five" to work - so as to consolidate
two or more strings per case statement line,
otherwise I would have code duplication.

Any advice?

Thanks!
Dan

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 17:51 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
> On 02/09/2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > When and how did the intrusion occur?  How was it initially detected?
> 
> *shrug*
> 
> I don't actually need to know, so I'm not making a fuss.

I disagree. I think we do need to know. What I don't worry about is
knowing *immediately*. I'm willing to cut the Fedora devs some slack as
it may be an ongoing situation and I don't doubt they are fully occupied
in pushing updates, signing packages etc.

However I think we have a right to expect a much more detailed report on
this "in due course" (no, I don't know how long that is).

poc

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RE: F9 install: anaconda fails: Unable to read package metadata.

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:00 -0500, landon kelsey wrote:
> I've always wondered: If I have F8 and do frequent "yum update" s do I
> have essentially F9 when F9 arrives!

F9 arrived months ago. The next one is F10, around October-Novemeber.

Anyway, you have to explicitly upgrade. There are many threads on this
list explaining what to do, plus the Fedora web pages. If you have
problems I'm sure lots of people will be willing to help.

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Bill Davidsen]

Bill Crawford wrote:

On 02/09/2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


When and how did the intrusion occur?  How was it initially detected?


*shrug*

I don't actually need to know, so I'm not making a fuss.

I suspect, as has been hinted at here multiple times, there may be
legal reasons why they haven't provided you with some of the details
you would like to see.


As noted, the detail I would have liked was to know if this was a 
failure of system security or a failure of misplaced trust. If there is 
a hole in their server system security it's likely to be in ours as well.


And if someone could say with certainty that packages downloaded before 
{date} were safe, it would be more reassuring than "there is little

risk to Fedora users who wish to install or upgrade signed Fedora
packages." If the start date of the problem is known, that would be 
really good information for people who keep a local repository and don't 
have to upgrade every new install totally over the network.


I'd suggest re-reading the announcement that Paul W. Frields sent out
(url below) and then, should you really, really feel the need to know
more, I'd suggest you contact whoever at the Fedora Project you pay
for support, complaining about your SLA not being met ;o)

http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-August/msg00012.html

I felt the need to spend some of my three day holiday reinstalling 
servers with another distribution, when knowing the start date of the 
problem would have let me make an intelligent choice. Saying "was 
quickly discovered" doesn't tell me if it was minutes, hours, or months. 
What I was looking for was a "safe if loaded before" date.


So yes, I "really, really" felt the need to know more.

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Re: wifi enabling

[dexter]

On Tue September 2 2008 18:09:36 narendraw1 palavalli wrote:
> hai i have installed fedora9 recently in my hp pavillion dv 9617nr laptop
> it has a broadcom802.11b/g wireless card
> i m not able to connect to the network i tried even giving the ip address
> and tryin its not possible so please can u help me with this

Read dmesg it should tell you to go here:
www.linuxwireless.org

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RE: F9 install: anaconda fails: Unable to read package metadata.

[Colin Brace]

cloudbuster wrote:
> 
> I've always wondered: If I have F8 and do frequent "yum update" s
> do I have essentially F9 when F9 arrives!
> 
No, running 'yum update' will only update the current version. To go from F8
to F9, I first installed this new release RPM: 

# rpm -Uhv
ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os/Packages/fedora-release-*.noarch.rpm
 

I then ran yum update, which upgrade some 1200 packages. It took awhile but
it worked.

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Re: Ello, I'm sort of new to the lists...is it best to install from livecd?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:34 -0400, Travis Arnold wrote:
> Tim wrote:
> > On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 09:56 -0400, Travis Arnold wrote:
> >> if I take the dvd, then I can choose what I can install?
> > 
> > Yes, you can customise the install, adding packages, removing default
> > ones.  Though be aware that if you remove something that something else
> > depends on, what you removed will be installed anyway.
> > 
>   Ok, that makes sense.  Is there a way I can not have evolution
> installed?

yum remove evolution

> or is it actually good?

Define "good". It's the mailer I use every day. People who need Exchange
access (not me) complain a lot but there aren't many alternatives.

> It seems sort of slow

Compared to?

> but since I don't usually run it all day- or should I?

No way to answer that. Personally I have it running permanently but then
I never log out (this is on my home machine).

>   Would it be best to open Evolution or Thunderbird in the morning when I
> turn my computer on, and then leave it running all day and just move it
> to another desktop or is closing it and reopening it better?

I keep it on its own desktop (under KDE).

> I shall
> install tonight when I get back from class.  I have turned html off (did
> I do it properly?)

Yes, thanks.

> sorry about that, does the signature come out? or
> should I make a new one?

I don't see a signature.

poc

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Les Mikesell]

Bill Crawford wrote:



When and how did the intrusion occur?  How was it initially detected?


*shrug*

I don't actually need to know, so I'm not making a fuss.


Everyone needs to whether or not they are at risk with the same 
vulnerability and how to detect it.



I suspect, as has been hinted at here multiple times, there may be
legal reasons why they haven't provided you with some of the details
you would like to see.

I'd suggest re-reading the announcement that Paul W. Frields sent out
(url below) and then, should you really, really feel the need to know
more, I'd suggest you contact whoever at the Fedora Project you pay
for support, complaining about your SLA not being met ;o)

http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-August/msg00012.html


This is about community, not SLA's.  Communities are easily alienated 
when not included in needed communications.  I'd suggest reconsidering 
whether your community is important or not.


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wifi enabling

[narendraw1 palavalli]

hai i have installed fedora9 recently in my hp pavillion dv 9617nr laptop it
has a broadcom802.11b/g wireless card
i m not able to connect to the network i tried even giving the ip address
and tryin its not possible so please can u help me with this
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RE: Udev net issues

[Joseph L. Casale]

>Good question, and yes, udev DOES keep track.
>
>check in /etc/udev/rules.d for file names with *persistant* in them.
>There are several, and one for -- you guessed it -- network/NIC data.
>
>By removing the persistent file(s), udev will rebuild it with the
>correct/current info.
>
>This is how you install on one platform and put that disk into another.:
>Remove the udev persistant rules in the post-install.

Phil,
This is exactly what I did, I moved the file out altogether.
Should I have simply removed the line in it? It recreated the
file next boot with the old mac address only to still cause issues!

Thanks,
jlc

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sorry but hotmail(Firefox 3.0.1) is clumping my email statements

[landon kelsey]

I've always wondered:


If I have F8 and do frequent "yum update" s


do I have essentially F9 when F9 arrives!


Perhaps some root change in F9 cannot be transmitted by yum???




































> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:54:28 -0700
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: F9 install: anaconda fails: Unable to read package metadata.
> 
> 
> 
> Phil Meyer wrote:
>> 
>> I have seen that exact symptom twice, on different versions of Fedora.  
>> In both cases, the system involved ended up having memory errors.
>> 
>> It may be time for a memtest on the system you are trying to install to.
>> 
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion. The system is nearly a year old, and I haven't
> previously noticed any symptoms which might indicate that, but next time I
> boot I will run memtest just to be sure.
> 
> In any case I ended up using yum to bring the system up to F9. That went
> fine.
> 
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RE: F9 install: anaconda fails: Unable to read package metadata.

[landon kelsey]

I've always wondered:

If I have F8 and do frequent "yum update" s

do I have essentially F9 when F9 arrives!

Perhaps some root change in F9 cannot be transmitted by yum???









> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:54:28 -0700
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: F9 install: anaconda fails: Unable to read package metadata.
> 
> 
> 
> Phil Meyer wrote:
>> 
>> I have seen that exact symptom twice, on different versions of Fedora.  
>> In both cases, the system involved ended up having memory errors.
>> 
>> It may be time for a memtest on the system you are trying to install to.
>> 
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion. The system is nearly a year old, and I haven't
> previously noticed any symptoms which might indicate that, but next time I
> boot I will run memtest just to be sure.
> 
> In any case I ended up using yum to bring the system up to F9. That went
> fine.
> 
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Re: Udev net issues

[Phil Meyer]

Joseph L. Casale wrote:

In trying to swap a motherboard for the exact same type I kept having issues
with the NIC not being started (network manager was disabled). I finally found
70-persistent-net.rules under udev had the mac address of the old nic as eth0
so I moved this file out and rebooted only to see it was recreated as expected
but had the old mac address? I finally edited the mac address and that worked.

Where in the world would it have gotten the old mac from?

Thanks,
jlc

  


Good question, and yes, udev DOES keep track.

check in /etc/udev/rules.d for file names with *persistant* in them.  
There are several, and one for -- you guessed it -- network/NIC data.


By removing the persistent file(s), udev will rebuild it with the 
correct/current info.


This is how you install on one platform and put that disk into another.: 
Remove the udev persistant rules in the post-install.


Good Luck!

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Re: F9 install: anaconda fails: Unable to read package metadata.

[Colin Brace]

Phil Meyer wrote:
> 
> I have seen that exact symptom twice, on different versions of Fedora.  
> In both cases, the system involved ended up having memory errors.
> 
> It may be time for a memtest on the system you are trying to install to.
> 

Thanks for the suggestion. The system is nearly a year old, and I haven't
previously noticed any symptoms which might indicate that, but next time I
boot I will run memtest just to be sure.

In any case I ended up using yum to bring the system up to F9. That went
fine.

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Re: Fedora 9 Freeze At Login

[Kyle Lanigan]

On 2-Sep-08, at 10:44 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:


On Tuesday 02 September 2008 17:21:44 Kyle Lanigan wrote:

I'm gonna give a go to some of the other suggestions to see if that
lets Fedora run.


Have you changed the theme?  I ask because I did, to Platinum, and  
got a
similar freeze.  I manually edited ~/.kde/share/config/ 
kcmthememanagerrc,

changing the theme to Plastik, and all was well again.

Just another thought for you to try :-)



I've never been able to completely login with any Fedora install I've  
done. It always freezes right after I enter my username and password.
And it also freezes when I login via text mode at the same point (less  
the visual of the desktop background cause it's text mode).



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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Bill Crawford]

On 02/09/2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When and how did the intrusion occur?  How was it initially detected?

*shrug*

I don't actually need to know, so I'm not making a fuss.

I suspect, as has been hinted at here multiple times, there may be
legal reasons why they haven't provided you with some of the details
you would like to see.

I'd suggest re-reading the announcement that Paul W. Frields sent out
(url below) and then, should you really, really feel the need to know
more, I'd suggest you contact whoever at the Fedora Project you pay
for support, complaining about your SLA not being met ;o)

http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-August/msg00012.html

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Re: When will Yum updates be working again?

[tom]

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Timothy Murphy wrote:


Bill Crawford wrote:


I would say it has been asked but not answered, many times.


It's been answered, just not with a specific time, which is obviously
what everyone wants, but ... "sometime" is still an answer.


You are easily satisfied.
If you asked what time the plane leaves,
and you were told "Sometime",
would you find that a completely acceptable answer?


Well - I _have_ in the past found that an acceptable answer. Frustrating 
in the extreme, fully worthy of advanced cursing and ranting, but 
acceptable. The air craft had lost it's compass, so a departure time of 
"sometime" was vastly better than an arrival time of "maybe"...


YMMV

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