Re: Secrecy and user trust

[jdow]

From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, 2008, September 04 06:24



On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 23:42 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 10:30 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> hardest of all find a secure way to provide the public part of the
>> signing key
>
> The whole point about asymmetric encryption is that you don't need a
> secure distribution channel. The worst that can happen is that some 
> fake
> public key gets distributed, which won't match the private key and 
> hence

> will be instantly detectable.
>
NAK - if a fake public key were distributed then packages signed with
the fake key would be matched, allowing full access to install crap in
your machine.


True.


And packages signed with any valid redhat key would be
rejected.


Which is what I said. Thus it would be noticed immediately.


The public key really must be distributed in a secure manner.


The standard way is to use certificates, but the update process isn't
set up for this AFAIK, and in any case certificates have to be
signed ... I'm sure suggestions are welcome as to how to accomplish
this.

poc


Suppose I have NO RedHat installed. I have no working computer near
me. I want to install Fedora 9. How do I establish the ability to
subject the packages to tests for being properly signed, that the
key used in the test is correct, and that I am reading and updating
from a legitimate mirror?

If this can be done once in an initial install situation it can be done
again in an update situation using the same mechanism.

{^_^} 


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Reasons behind defaulting atd and sendmail

[Michael Cronenworth]

Are there any legitimate reasons why the "atd" and "sendmail" services 
are enabled by default? A "default" install is for a desktop and they 
are quite useless in that regard.


Sendmail only stores the logwatch output, which actually accumulates 
after a period of time because no normal desktop user reads the mail. It 
could possibly fill up a hard drive on a small drive, such as a eeePC 
4gb system. I realize we all have terrabyte hard drives now and logwatch 
is only kilobytes in size, but it's still garbage. Don't get me wrong, I 
use logwatch mail on Fedora server installs, but for a desktop user... 
who never reads it...


As for 'at' well... do *normal* Fedora users have any benefit from this 
starting up? I realize there is a gnome-schedule utility, but it is not 
installed by default.


I'm not trying to start a flamewar. I am just curious.

Thanks,
Michael

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

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landon kelsey wrote:
> I went through this when I installed F9
> 
> switchdesk is DEAD
> 
> I once used switchdesk to switch to KDE but no more
> 
> On the login page at the lower left is an icon to allow
> the choice of desktop manager
> 
> KDE GNOME 

this has been suggested.

also, if you are going to *top post*, please remove history below it.

i thank you. and so will others.

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

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Mike McCarty wrote:

> I thought that the topic of immediate interst was whether

that is interest in this ravel of thread. so, going forward to solve
op's original question and provided that he *does* have kde installed;


/etc/X11/prefdm executes '. /etc/sysconfig/desktop'. [from 'man xinit']
so, by setting up /etc/sysconfig/desktop to,

#!/bin/sh
DESKTOP="KDE"
DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"

as previously described to set things to kde, op should get kde for desktop.


ok, i have set a new target down range, and taking first shot, it is a 'hack'.

next up on firing bench???

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Weird TCP problem

[Gordon Messmer]

Last week, I started seeing very strange behavior in one of the networks 
that I manage.


The office LAN uses a Linux firewall which masquerades their 
workstations over their DSL connection.  There are probably ~75 
workstations in the office LAN.


Their mail server is in a collocated facility nearby.  That server has 
an RFC1918 address; its router does SNAT to forward packets to the system.


Here's the weird part: If a machine running Linux in the office lan 
attempts to connect to the mail server on any TCP port, there's a small 
chance that the server will simply ignore the SYN packets.  It doesn't 
log any errors.  If I'm running tcpdump, I see the incoming SYN packets, 
but no reply.  If I use iptables to log the packets, information about 
the packet is saved in the messages file.  If I capture the packets and 
use wireshark to analyze them, I don't see anything odd: the checksums 
are good and I can't see any difference between a SYN packet that gets a 
SYN+ACK and one that's ignored (beyond the obvious: different timestamps 
and checksums).  The problem doesn't seem to affect Windows workstations 
in the office LAN.  As far as I can tell, only SYN packets are dropped. 
 I don't see delays in established connections.


I've attached a file that contains, first, the output of tcpdump which 
shows packets to or from the office's firewall address, as recorded by 
the destination server.  The first four SYN packets are ignored, but the 
kernel proceeds with the TCP handshake after the fifth SYN packet.


Second, the file contains the log messages which are recorded as a 
result of these iptables rules:


iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s officefw --dport 22 -j LOG
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s officefw --dport 22 -j ACCEPT

Those are the only iptables rules present on the server accepting the 
connections.


Both of those appear to indicate that the server in the colo facility is 
receiving the SYN packets.  What possible reasons are there that it 
would not reply with SYN+ACK?
19:08:43.751579 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: S 
3347102294:3347102294(0) win 5840 
19:08:46.751136 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: S 
3347102294:3347102294(0) win 5840 
19:08:52.749305 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: S 
3347102294:3347102294(0) win 5840 
19:09:04.747287 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: S 
3347102294:3347102294(0) win 5840 
19:09:28.741854 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: S 
3347102294:3347102294(0) win 5840 
19:09:28.742540 IP remoteserver.ssh > officefw.57948: S 
3324501337:3324501337(0) ack 3347102295 win 5792 
19:09:28.783886 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: . ack 1 win 46 

19:09:28.789814 IP remoteserver.ssh > officefw.57948: P 1:21(20) ack 1 win 46 

19:09:28.829114 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: . ack 21 win 46 



Sep  4 19:08:43 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver 
LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41807 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 
WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 
Sep  4 19:08:46 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver 
LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41808 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 
WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 
Sep  4 19:08:52 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver 
LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41809 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 
WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 
Sep  4 19:09:04 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver 
LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41810 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 
WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 
Sep  4 19:09:28 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver 
LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41811 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 
WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 
Sep  4 19:09:28 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver 
LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41812 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 
WINDOW=46 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0 
Sep  4 19:09:28 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver 
LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41813 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 
WINDOW=46 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0 

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:57 PM, landon kelsey
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I went through this when I installed F9
>
> switchdesk is DEAD
>
> I once used switchdesk to switch to KDE but no more
>
> On the login page at the lower left is an icon to allow the choice of desktop 
> manager
>
> KDE GNOME 


That is the gnome login screen. Switch desk was also supposed to
switch one to KDM.


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RE: Can't switch to KDE

[landon kelsey]

I went through this when I installed F9

switchdesk is DEAD

I once used switchdesk to switch to KDE but no more

On the login page at the lower left is an icon to allow the choice of desktop 
manager

KDE GNOME 







> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:07:05 -0500
> Subject: Re: Can't switch to KDE
> 
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 13:59 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Aaron Konstam  wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:51 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
>
>> I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've
>> always logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other
>> session,
>> then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?
>
> Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> or doesn't that work any more?

 It should, but that file has to be created in F8, is not there in my box.
 the switchdesk is an optional package. I find is the quickest way
 to change your desktop at the CLI -no file editing.

 ~af

>>> How do you do it using CLI?
>> 
>> Install the switchdesk package, then change the desktop.
>>  $ sudo yum install switchdesk
>>  $ switchdesk KDE
>> that's it.
>> 
>> you can use your Fedora CD to install if you don't want to use yum.
>> I'm running F8, and I figure F9 should be no different.
>> ~af
>> 
> It is different, and the above does not work. It certainly worked in F8.
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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Mike McCarty]

Craig White wrote:

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 21:23 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:18 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:

$ rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/fstab
file /etc/fstab is not owned by any package

# rpm -qf /etc/fstab
setup-2.6.14-1.fc9.noarch
# rpm -qf /etc/sysconfig
filesystem-2.4.13-1.fc9.x86_64
#

$ rpm -qf /etc/fstab
file /etc/fstab is not owned by any package
$ rpm -qf /etc
filesystem-2.2.4-1
$ rpm -qf /etc/sysconfig/desktop
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package
$ rpm -qf /etc/sysconfig
filesystem-2.2.4-1

So, the point is made. The fact that RPM doesn't know
about /etc/sysconfig/desktop doesn't mean that it
isn't set up and populated by install.

I don't know what set up /etc/sysconfig/desktop, possibly
RPM as part of /etc/sysconfig. In any case, I know that,
on my machine, I did not (directly) set up /etc/sysconfig/desktop.


your fedora-core-2 system is entirely irrelevant to anybody but you.


I thought that the topic of immediate interst was whether
/etc/sysconfig/desktop _ever_ got set up and populated by
_some_ version of Fedora. I thought I saw you going back
in time as far as you could, and running out at FC7 or so.
Otherwise I wouldn't have commented or joined the thread.

Was I wrong? I think I could provide quotes from messages you
posted to that effect. If that isn't the immediate topic,
then I'd like to know what is.

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Re: Internet speed

[Matt Domsch]

On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 09:29:12PM -0500, Matt Domsch wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 11:11:11AM +0200, MKas wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I'm using 3g/hsdpa modem (ZTE MF620) to connect to internet. In
> > windows my download speed is near 3.6mbps, but in Fedora 9 max speed
> > only 490kbps and it's stable so I think it's somehow software
> > limited. I'm connecting with kppp.
> 
> Is it possible you are using the USB generic.ko module instead of
> option.ko?  If so, yes, you're going to see such a slow speed.
> 
> What does lsmod and lsusb show?

FWIW, it looks like this device was added to the Linux kernel
option.ko driver back in May.

git commit b2d23d49cf4b4b1fe3b43d3ffd6077fc4ee9ac6

and should be present in the current F9 kernel.  So unless you're
forcing it in by passing options to 'modprobe usb-serial', it should
be using option.ko.


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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 21:23 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:18 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >> $ rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/fstab
> >> file /etc/fstab is not owned by any package
> > 
> > # rpm -qf /etc/fstab
> > setup-2.6.14-1.fc9.noarch
> > # rpm -qf /etc/sysconfig
> > filesystem-2.4.13-1.fc9.x86_64
> > #
> 
> $ rpm -qf /etc/fstab
> file /etc/fstab is not owned by any package
> $ rpm -qf /etc
> filesystem-2.2.4-1
> $ rpm -qf /etc/sysconfig/desktop
> file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package
> $ rpm -qf /etc/sysconfig
> filesystem-2.2.4-1
> 
> So, the point is made. The fact that RPM doesn't know
> about /etc/sysconfig/desktop doesn't mean that it
> isn't set up and populated by install.
> 
> I don't know what set up /etc/sysconfig/desktop, possibly
> RPM as part of /etc/sysconfig. In any case, I know that,
> on my machine, I did not (directly) set up /etc/sysconfig/desktop.

your fedora-core-2 system is entirely irrelevant to anybody but you.

Craig

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Mike McCarty]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:18 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:

$ rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/fstab
file /etc/fstab is not owned by any package


# rpm -qf /etc/fstab
setup-2.6.14-1.fc9.noarch
# rpm -qf /etc/sysconfig
filesystem-2.4.13-1.fc9.x86_64
#


$ rpm -qf /etc/fstab
file /etc/fstab is not owned by any package
$ rpm -qf /etc
filesystem-2.2.4-1
$ rpm -qf /etc/sysconfig/desktop
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package
$ rpm -qf /etc/sysconfig
filesystem-2.2.4-1

So, the point is made. The fact that RPM doesn't know
about /etc/sysconfig/desktop doesn't mean that it
isn't set up and populated by install.

I don't know what set up /etc/sysconfig/desktop, possibly
RPM as part of /etc/sysconfig. In any case, I know that,
on my machine, I did not (directly) set up /etc/sysconfig/desktop.

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Re: Internet speed

[Matt Domsch]

On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 11:11:11AM +0200, MKas wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm using 3g/hsdpa modem (ZTE MF620) to connect to internet. In
> windows my download speed is near 3.6mbps, but in Fedora 9 max speed
> only 490kbps and it's stable so I think it's somehow software
> limited. I'm connecting with kppp.

Is it possible you are using the USB generic.ko module instead of
option.ko?  If so, yes, you're going to see such a slow speed.

What does lsmod and lsusb show?

Thanks,
Matt

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:18 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> $ rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/fstab
> file /etc/fstab is not owned by any package

# rpm -qf /etc/fstab
setup-2.6.14-1.fc9.noarch
# rpm -qf /etc/sysconfig
filesystem-2.4.13-1.fc9.x86_64
#

poc

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:49 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 16:26 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 16:36 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> > > > Craig White wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > >> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > > > >>> Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> > > > >>> or doesn't that work any more?
> > > > >> It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the past. 
> > > > >> Note
> > > > >> that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to
> > > > >> create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> #!/bin/sh
> > > > >> DESKTOP="KDE"
> > > > >> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't believe that any version of Fedora or RHEL populates a
> > > > > file /etc/sysconfig/desktop but if present, it will be used.
> > > > 
> > > > My FC2 machine has it, and I didn't put it there by hand.
> > > 
> > > I'm pretty sure it used to be populated, but on F9 at least it's not
> > > there by default. You have to create it.
> > 
> > Fedora 7
> > # uname -r
> > 2.6.23.15-80.fc7
> > # rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package
> > 
> > Fedora 8
> > # uname -r
> > 2.6.25.14-69.fc8
> > # rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package
> > 
> > RHEL 5
> > # uname -r
> > 2.6.18-53.1.21.el5
> > # rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package
> > 
> > RHEL 4
> > # uname -r
> > 2.6.9-55.0.12.ELsmp
> > # rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package
> > 
> > Pretty sure it used to be populated?  I'm sorry but I can't go back any
> > farther
> 
> Yes, pretty sure. You've only looked at 2 Fedoras (3 counting F9). RHEL
> versions mean nothing to me. I know I've used this before and I know for
> a fact that I didn't create the file the first time. I started with
> RedHat Linux 3rd edition (i.e. pre-Fedora and pre-RHEL), which is over
> 10 years ago, so who knows?

well, packaging doesn't put it there but Mike may be right...anaconda
might write the file.

Craig

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 08:02 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >
> > The hypothetical scenario being discussed is that you have already
> > replaced the former (good but now possibly suspect) public key with a
> > spurious new one. If that were to happen, you would be in danger of
> > accepting trojanned packages signed with this new fake key. My point is
> > that you would also *reject* packages signed with the new good key, and
> > this would be noticed very quickly (basically the next time you did an
> > update).
> >   
> That is an extremely unlikely possibility as you have to generate a key
> with the same key id (fingerprint)as the original.  Also, you have to
> determine how to trick all users in to replacing the original. 

Exactly. That's what I've been saying all along. I don't understand what
the disagreement is about, if anything.

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 16:26 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 16:36 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> > > Craig White wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > >> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > > >>> Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> > > >>> or doesn't that work any more?
> > > >> It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the past. 
> > > >> Note
> > > >> that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to
> > > >> create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE:
> > > >>
> > > >> #!/bin/sh
> > > >> DESKTOP="KDE"
> > > >> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> > > > 
> > > > I don't believe that any version of Fedora or RHEL populates a
> > > > file /etc/sysconfig/desktop but if present, it will be used.
> > > 
> > > My FC2 machine has it, and I didn't put it there by hand.
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure it used to be populated, but on F9 at least it's not
> > there by default. You have to create it.
> 
> Fedora 7
> # uname -r
> 2.6.23.15-80.fc7
> # rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
> file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package
> 
> Fedora 8
> # uname -r
> 2.6.25.14-69.fc8
> # rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
> file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package
> 
> RHEL 5
> # uname -r
> 2.6.18-53.1.21.el5
> # rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
> file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package
> 
> RHEL 4
> # uname -r
> 2.6.9-55.0.12.ELsmp
> # rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
> file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package
> 
> Pretty sure it used to be populated?  I'm sorry but I can't go back any
> farther

Yes, pretty sure. You've only looked at 2 Fedoras (3 counting F9). RHEL
versions mean nothing to me. I know I've used this before and I know for
a fact that I didn't create the file the first time. I started with
RedHat Linux 3rd edition (i.e. pre-Fedora and pre-RHEL), which is over
10 years ago, so who knows?

poc

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Mike McCarty]

Craig White wrote:

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 16:36 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:

Craig White wrote:

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:

Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
or doesn't that work any more?

It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the past. Note
that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to
create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE:

#!/bin/sh
DESKTOP="KDE"
DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"


I don't believe that any version of Fedora or RHEL populates a
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop but if present, it will be used.

My FC2 machine has it, and I didn't put it there by hand.

I'm pretty sure it used to be populated, but on F9 at least it's not
there by default. You have to create it.


Fedora 7
# uname -r
2.6.23.15-80.fc7
# rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package

Fedora 8
# uname -r
2.6.25.14-69.fc8
# rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package

RHEL 5
# uname -r
2.6.18-53.1.21.el5
# rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package

RHEL 4
# uname -r
2.6.9-55.0.12.ELsmp
# rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package

Pretty sure it used to be populated?  I'm sorry but I can't go back any
farther

Craig



$ rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/fstab
file /etc/fstab is not owned by any package

The fact that a file is not created by RPM doesn't mean
that the system doesn't install and populate it during
install. I certainly have edited /etc/fstab, but I didn't
create it or initially populate it. This may also be true
of /etc/sysconfig/desktop.

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Re: Decent scanning app

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 September 2008, Mark Haney wrote:
>Jonathan Underwood wrote:
>> 2008/9/4 Mark Haney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> I'm at my wits end here.  I've googled and looked and tried and can't
>>> find a decent scanning application anywhere.  Back in the F8 days I ran
>>> kooka and it was awesome.  Problem is, it's not actively maintained and
>>> isn't in KDE4. They do have a new scan app called skanlite, but I"ve not
>>> found it in Fedora 9 repos (although it's possibly in a larger package
>>> like Kooka was).
>>>
>>> So, what decent scanning apps are out there?  I tried Gnomescan.  It
>>> sucked. There's no way to add a scanner device to it that I could see. I
>>> was going to go with Xsane, but wasn't sure about it.
>>>
>>> If I have to, I'll rebuild kooka for F9, but surely there's a scanning
>>> app in linux that is active and doesn't suck, right?
>>
>> What's wrong with xsane? Works for me.
>>
>> J.
>
>Well, after not finding any decent recommendations for simple apps, I
>figured I'd go with it.  No go.  I get 'no devices found' and no way to
>configure mine.  It's pitiful really.
>
Mark, how about posting your lsusb output?  It should be there someplace if 
the system recognizes it at all.

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Re: Decent scanning app

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 September 2008, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>Mark Haney wrote:
>> I'm at my wits end here.  I've googled and looked and tried and can't
>> find a decent scanning application anywhere.  Back in the F8 days I ran
>> kooka and it was awesome.  Problem is, it's not actively maintained and
>> isn't in KDE4.  They do have a new scan app called skanlite, but I"ve
>> not found it in Fedora 9 repos (although it's possibly in a larger
>> package like Kooka was).
>>
>> So, what decent scanning apps are out there?  I tried Gnomescan.  It
>> sucked. There's no way to add a scanner device to it that I could see. I
>> was going to go with Xsane, but wasn't sure about it.
>>
>> If I have to, I'll rebuild kooka for F9, but surely there's a scanning
>> app in linux that is active and doesn't suck, right?
>
>After fighting with xsane for months on several machines, I got iscan,
>which is bog simple but works. YMMV.

And I have an older Epson 1250u scanner.  Iscan can't find it, never could.  
xsane has Just Worked(TM) for many years now.  xsane also has all the tweaks 
you could want, and about 10 times that many I haven't figured out yet.


In all the above I fail to see the make & model of the scanner listed.  That 
is Very Important.

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Re: Fedora home server using core 9

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Timothy Murphy wrote:

> I'm not sure what you mean.

i forget now. :o(

i am not using f9. waiting for f10 to come out to see if all of problems
with f9 are cleaned up. from what i have noted in various threads, 'nm'
is among them and a lot switched back to 'ns'.

> In my experience this simply did not work 50% of the time,

strange. in f8, i have little trouble with 'ns', tho i am not using wireless
as of yet.


> largely because of the complete lack of documentation.

this is true of most all software being written now. almost as if after
a bunch of hacking they get something to work and do not know how or why.

it is a shame that source code writers do not have time to write docs,
which causes a need to load source on system, only to find that they
do not have source well commented.

> I also find it annoying that WiFi  connection is not established

> to the last AP I attached to, if that is available.

can you not set this up in /etc/rc.d/rc.local? then you would have only to
figure how to pass last connection to it. tho i wonder if this would help
if you are not in same place a lot.

maybe you need to consider getting sleep/hibernate to work.

> I also wish it would stick to WiFi,

again, rc.local / hibernate?

> "A program should do one thing, and do it well."

not a slogan of source code writers. ;o)

> I feel about NM as Winston Churchill did about democracy,
> "It is the worst possible system, except for all the others
> that have been tried from time to time."

this is true. try, try and try again. if all else fails, try one more time.

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Ed Greshko]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
> The hypothetical scenario being discussed is that you have already
> replaced the former (good but now possibly suspect) public key with a
> spurious new one. If that were to happen, you would be in danger of
> accepting trojanned packages signed with this new fake key. My point is
> that you would also *reject* packages signed with the new good key, and
> this would be noticed very quickly (basically the next time you did an
> update).
>   
That is an extremely unlikely possibility as you have to generate a key
with the same key id (fingerprint)as the original.  Also, you have to
determine how to trick all users in to replacing the original. 


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Re: Yum plugins -

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Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
>> Also:
>>  yum info all > AllPackageInfo

yumex, if installed, is another way to find info

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

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Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> Silly question: you *have* installed KDE Desktop, right?

not a silly question. something that should have been verified from start.

not being in f9, i will not offer suggestions as to what to do, as it may be
different. a look at 'man startx' and checking to see what corresponding files
he has could help. [after verify of kde install]

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 16:36 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> > Craig White wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > >>> Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> > >>> or doesn't that work any more?
> > >> It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the past. Note
> > >> that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to
> > >> create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE:
> > >>
> > >> #!/bin/sh
> > >> DESKTOP="KDE"
> > >> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> > > 
> > > I don't believe that any version of Fedora or RHEL populates a
> > > file /etc/sysconfig/desktop but if present, it will be used.
> > 
> > My FC2 machine has it, and I didn't put it there by hand.
> 
> I'm pretty sure it used to be populated, but on F9 at least it's not
> there by default. You have to create it.

Fedora 7
# uname -r
2.6.23.15-80.fc7
# rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package

Fedora 8
# uname -r
2.6.25.14-69.fc8
# rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package

RHEL 5
# uname -r
2.6.18-53.1.21.el5
# rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package

RHEL 4
# uname -r
2.6.9-55.0.12.ELsmp
# rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/sysconfig/desktop
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not owned by any package

Pretty sure it used to be populated?  I'm sorry but I can't go back any
farther

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Jeff Spaleta]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Todd Denniston
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Although rpm may not have the ability to use keys with signatures in them,
> this does NOT make it a non-starter.

It's going to impact in what fashion we distribute the key.  if we
can'd distribute the signed key and have it import as expected...then
there's no point in attempting to distribute a signed key.  Do all
this 3rd party signing stuff on a public key server.

>
> PGP|GPG can generate DETACHED signatures[1], which can be used with the
> public key file out side of rpm's band to verify the new key.

what is stopping any 3rd party from generating detached signatures
right now? What was stopping them from doing it on the last key? If
you or I or livna or anyone else wanted to create a detached signature
on the Fedora key..we could have..and we'd still be we are right now
dealing with how to distribute a new key.  The extra signatures do not
materially help because we do not have a technical mechanism to make
use of those signatures as part of the client side package management
operations. Look at the existing Fedora key as it sits on the
pgp.mit.edu key server. People have signed it there. We have no way to
make use of that information client side. But you can... anyone can...
just as anyone can push a new signature against that existing key.

Nor do we have a special mechanism which lets 3rd parties verify the
key's validity that individual end-users do not have.  And this last
one is key.  Having livna, or myself, or you.. sign a key that was
transmitted electronically to us doesn't do squat in terms of
increasing its trustability.  if anything it distorts the web of trust
because we've signed something we can't tangible verify.

Distributing the detached signatures as part of the fedora-release
package with a bare  importable key..when we aren't making use of
those detached signatures as part of the packaging process..at
all...seems...futile to me.  We don't have a mechanism which enforces
the existence of signatures on the keys in the rpm keyring.  There is
no trust metric exposed by which you can rank the trustability of a
particular key when using it.  If you want 3rd parties to sign the
Fedora packaging signing key... talk to the 3rd parties about signing
the new key as soon as its made available and placing those detached
signatures on sites they control or a public key server so you can
verify the detached signatures when Fedora releases the bare key with
3rd parties you personally trust.

If you want to be security paranoid concerning the validity of the new
key when it becomes available.. go right ahead.. be paranoid about it.
 But if you need 3rd parties to sign off on the key before you use it,
then you should already have been talking to 3rd parties about doing
it for the last Fedora key. Talk to the 3rd parties.. get them to
agree to sign the new key and put the detached signatures somewhere
public.

If you can convince them to actually sign the key, since they have the
exact same problem that you have.. they have to be transmitted the key
in order for them to sign it. So they have to trust the transmission
of the key... just as you do.  There is a basic logic fallacy here,
some 3rd party has to initially trust the key.  If you personally
aren't going to be that 3rd party...then why would you expect another
3rd party to be the first?  If you are going to be paranoid about
verifying the transmission of the new key to yourself... then you have
to be equally paranoid about how the signatories of that key were
transmitted the key before they signed it.

GPG keysigning events typically involve face-to-face meetings with
some form of official documentation (drivers licenses AND passports
typically) which people agree to trust. Those identification documents
are crucial elements of GPG signing events...  they form a baseline
expectation that you are who you say you are.  You can't do that sort
of thing with the fedora signing key. You can't meet face-to-face to
verify its identity, you can't get government issued ID which form the
baseline for trust (assuming the ID is of course not falsified).

At best we could maybe get the release engineering people who have
direct access to the key to create detached signatures, because they
perhaps the only people who do not have to be transmitted the key in
order to sign it.  But now you are left with the problem of trusting
their personal keys. Are those people in your web of trust? Are you
going to meet face to face with them and exchange key signatures?  If
rpm's key management doesn't handle signed keys..how do you know to
trust their keys which signed the signature.

And on and onall of it outside of the band of rpm.  We don't have
a compelling reason to distribute those detached signatures as part of
the fedora-release package which will contain the key.  We don't have
a way to make use of them, and if you have to go out of band to verify
the key...then go out of band

Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 16:36 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> >>> Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> >>> or doesn't that work any more?
> >> It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the past. Note
> >> that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to
> >> create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE:
> >>
> >> #!/bin/sh
> >> DESKTOP="KDE"
> >> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> > 
> > I don't believe that any version of Fedora or RHEL populates a
> > file /etc/sysconfig/desktop but if present, it will be used.
> 
> My FC2 machine has it, and I didn't put it there by hand.

I'm pretty sure it used to be populated, but on F9 at least it's not
there by default. You have to create it.

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 15:47 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > > Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> > > or doesn't that work any more?
> > 
> > It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the past. Note
> > that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to
> > create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE:
> > 
> > #!/bin/sh
> > DESKTOP="KDE"
> > DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> > 
> > poc
> > 
> That does not work on my machine.

What does "not work" mean? What exactly happens? Have you restarted X
after makimg the above changes? It's not enough just to log out and in
again since you want to change the display manager (not just the window
manager). "init 3 && init 5" from a console should do the trick.

> What do you think of .Xclient-default?

You mean .Xclients-default? It just seems to execute startkde on my
system. That won't change the display manager either.

Silly question: you *have* installed KDE Desktop, right?

poc

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Make Sound work on f9

[Dave Feustel]

I'm trying to play back sounds of the Russian alphabet on F9 using
Konqueror 4.1, but there is no sound. I know I can't play mp3.
How do I make sound work?

Thanks.

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Re: konsole 4.0.5 & multisession failure

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 17:02 -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 17:51 -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
> > List,
> > 
> > I have installed 2 FC9 systems and am trying to get konsole to work in
> > the same manner as with Fc4->Fc8.  
> > 
> > The one big problem I have is that there does not appear to be a way to
> > start a mulitsession profile from the command line, and there does not
> > appear to be a way to save a muulti-session profile to even look for any
> > changes in the way they are storing the files.
> > 
> > In looking at the other posts I am concerned that 4.0.5 does not even do
> > this.  There have been some references to using kde-unstable that
> > apparently contaions kde 4.0.98 or at least something greater than
> > 4.0.5.
> > 
> > Would appreciate some help!!
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Greg Ennis
> > 
> 
> Everyone,  Looks like kde4 was not designed to do everything that kde3
> was doing.
> 
> Here is the answer to my bug report.
> 
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170221

The reply to your bug report doesn't say it "wasn't designed" to do it,
just that it doesn't do it yet. Saying it's not designed for it implies
there's some architectural decision which impedes it.

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Re: Yum plugins -

[Bob Goodwin]

Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:


Also:

yum info all > AllPackageInfo

then look at it:

less AllPackageInfo
vim AllPackageInfo
emacs AllPackageInfo
grep -i something  AllPackageInfo

The "info" paragraph for most packages is very informative.


  

I saved that too.

Tnx.

Bob

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Re: konsole 4.0.5 & multisession failure

[Gregory P. Ennis]

On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 17:51 -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
> List,
> 
> I have installed 2 FC9 systems and am trying to get konsole to work in
> the same manner as with Fc4->Fc8.  
> 
> The one big problem I have is that there does not appear to be a way to
> start a mulitsession profile from the command line, and there does not
> appear to be a way to save a muulti-session profile to even look for any
> changes in the way they are storing the files.
> 
> In looking at the other posts I am concerned that 4.0.5 does not even do
> this.  There have been some references to using kde-unstable that
> apparently contaions kde 4.0.98 or at least something greater than
> 4.0.5.
> 
> Would appreciate some help!!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Greg Ennis
> 

Everyone,  Looks like kde4 was not designed to do everything that kde3
was doing.

Here is the answer to my bug report.

http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170221

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Re: Yum plugins -

[Nifty Fedora Mitch]

On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 04:01:42PM +0100, Chris G wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 07:55:37AM -0700, Dennis Kaptain wrote:
> > - Mensaje original 
> > 
> > > De: Bob Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Para: For users of Fedora Core releases 
> > > Enviado: jueves, 4 de septiembre, 2008 7:39:51
> > > Asunto: Yum plugins -
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I've installed F-9 and in the process lost the yum plugins such as 
> > > "fastest mirror" and I can't find where they came from?
> > > 
> > > Can someone point me in the right direction?
> > > 
> > > Bob
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bob 
> > 
> > Very often when I need a package but don't remember the name I try
> > yum list available | grep -i what_I_am_looking_for
> > 
> You can do much the same by doing:-
> 
> yum list '*what_I_am_looking_for*'
> 
> except that I think it's case sensitive.
> 

Also:

yum info all > AllPackageInfo

then look at it:

less AllPackageInfo
vim AllPackageInfo
emacs AllPackageInfo
grep -i something  AllPackageInfo

The "info" paragraph for most packages is very informative.


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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Todd Denniston]

Jeff Spaleta wrote, On 09/04/2008 05:05 PM:

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Bruno Wolff III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Is that what my problem was yesterday? I filed a bugzilla about a key I
was trying to import (mostly about the error message not being very helpful)
and got feedback that the key was importable by the rawhide rpm. (Which I hope
to test late tonight or tomorrow.)


Was it?  I not completely up to speed on rpm's capabilities. But I
think it was a problem at one point but i may not be remembering
correctly.   You shouldn't trust me.

I think it would be wisest for the people who are suggesting that
signed keys be used... go ahead and test that rpm can import them on
F8 and F9 systems.  If it doesn't work.. its a non-starter from a
technical perspective and we need to move on.

-jef



Although rpm may not have the ability to use keys with signatures in them, 
this does NOT make it a non-starter.


PGP|GPG can generate DETACHED signatures[1], which can be used with the public 
key file out side of rpm's band to verify the new key.


[1] gpg --help 2>&1 |grep "detached signature"


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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Mike McCarty]

Craig White wrote:

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:

Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
or doesn't that work any more?

It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the past. Note
that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to
create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE:

#!/bin/sh
DESKTOP="KDE"
DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"


I don't believe that any version of Fedora or RHEL populates a
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop but if present, it will be used.


My FC2 machine has it, and I didn't put it there by hand.

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Stuart Sears]

Aaron Konstam wrote:
[...stuff about switchdesk... ]
> Nothing extra. It just allows you to change the default window manager.
> The problem with the session icon on the login panel is that I don't
> have one. So maybe the question is how to get it to appear. It was there
> in previous installations. Any ideas?


On my F9 system it doesn't appear until you have selected your username
- then you get language and session boxes to choose from in the bar at
the bottom

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Re: Can't switch to KDE-correction

[Rick Stevens]

Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 16:05 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:48 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:

On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:38:12 Aaron Konstam wrote:

I do a switchdesk and set KDE as the default window manager. I am told
that I have to restart X to make it happen. I do that by typing:
ctrl-alt-backspace (or I go to init 3 and then back to init 5).


Which Fedora version?  Which KDE version?


But nothing works. Were have I gone wrong?

Did you try a reboot?  Sometimes restarting X does fail.

Was KDE working before this?

Anne

I tried reboot but no go. However, using startdesk from init 3 and
using
startx resultws when I reboot, I get a different login screen with a
session choice. I suspect I am not running kde with gnome. If I get
tired of it I will switch back.

I tried reboot but no go. However, using startdesk from init 3 and using
startx resultws when I reboot, I get a different login screen with a
 session choice. I suspect I am now running kde with gnome. If I get
 tired of it I will switch back.


In F8 and previous versions, the X startup code looks for
/etc/sysconfig/desktop.  If the file is found, the value in the
"DISPLAYMANAGER=" line is used to launch a specific desktop.  Valid
values are:

GNOME
KDE
WDM
XDM

or the absolute path to the desktop manager of your choice.

If /etc/sysconfig/desktop is NOT found, then it tries to launch a
desktop manager in this order:

gdm
kdm
wdm
xdm

I can't speak to how F9 does things since my F9 machine is unavailable
at this time.
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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 04 September 2008 22:05:08 Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:48 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:38:12 Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > I do a switchdesk and set KDE as the default window manager. I am told
> > > that I have to restart X to make it happen. I do that by typing:
> > > ctrl-alt-backspace (or I go to init 3 and then back to init 5).
> >
> > Which Fedora version?  Which KDE version?
> >
> > > But nothing works. Were have I gone wrong?
> >
> > Did you try a reboot?  Sometimes restarting X does fail.
> >
> > Was KDE working before this?
> >
> > Anne
>
> I tried reboot but no go. However, using startdesk from init 3 and using
> startx resultws when I reboot, I get a different login screen with a
> session choice. I suspect I am not running kde with gnome. If I get
> tired of it I will switch back.
>
I'll try to find out which file sets the login manager, and what change needs 
to be made to it, but it will be tomorrow now

Anne



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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 04 September 2008 21:34:56 Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:56 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> >
> > I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've
> > always logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other
> > session, then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?
> >
> > Anne
>
> Nothing extra. It just allows you to change the default window manager.
> The problem with the session icon on the login panel is that I don't
> have one. So maybe the question is how to get it to appear. It was there
> in previous installations. Any ideas?
>
Perhaps it is only in the kde login manager.  There have been threads where 
people have discussed changing their login manager, but I haven't saved them, 
so I don't know the answer.

Anne



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Re: Decent scanning app

[Rick Stevens]

Mark Haney wrote:

Jonathan Underwood wrote:

2008/9/4 Mark Haney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I'm at my wits end here.  I've googled and looked and tried and can't 
find a
decent scanning application anywhere.  Back in the F8 days I ran 
kooka and
it was awesome.  Problem is, it's not actively maintained and isn't 
in KDE4.

 They do have a new scan app called skanlite, but I"ve not found it in
Fedora 9 repos (although it's possibly in a larger package like Kooka 
was).


So, what decent scanning apps are out there?  I tried Gnomescan.  It 
sucked.
There's no way to add a scanner device to it that I could see. I was 
going

to go with Xsane, but wasn't sure about it.

If I have to, I'll rebuild kooka for F9, but surely there's a 
scanning app

in linux that is active and doesn't suck, right?


What's wrong with xsane? Works for me.

J.



Well, after not finding any decent recommendations for simple apps, I 
figured I'd go with it.  No go.  I get 'no devices found' and no way to 
configure mine.  It's pitiful really.


No, it isn't.  It'd be nice to know what your scanner is so we can 
advise you.  What does "lsusb" report?  Did you install ALL the xsane

backends such as sane-backends, sane-backends-libs libsane-hpaio and the
like?  You need those for sane-find-scanner to work.
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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 13:59 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:51 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > Anne Wilson wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've
>> >> >> always logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other
>> >> >> session,
>> >> >> then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?
>> >> >
>> >> > Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
>> >> > or doesn't that work any more?
>> >>
>> >> It should, but that file has to be created in F8, is not there in my box.
>> >> the switchdesk is an optional package. I find is the quickest way
>> >> to change your desktop at the CLI -no file editing.
>> >>
>> >> ~af
>> >>
>> > How do you do it using CLI?
>>
>> Install the switchdesk package, then change the desktop.
>>  $ sudo yum install switchdesk
>>  $ switchdesk KDE
>> that's it.
>>
>> you can use your Fedora CD to install if you don't want to use yum.
>> I'm running F8, and I figure F9 should be no different.
>> ~af
>>
> It is different, and the above does not work. It certainly worked in F8.
> --

I saw this in the F9 Release Notes (10.1.2). I wonder what else changed.

"Note: ~/.Xclients and ~/.xsession are no longer read automatically at
login time. If you use either of these files, install the
xorg-x11-xinit-session package."

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Re: Can't switch to KDE-correction

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 16:05 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:48 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:38:12 Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > I do a switchdesk and set KDE as the default window manager. I am told
> > > that I have to restart X to make it happen. I do that by typing:
> > > ctrl-alt-backspace (or I go to init 3 and then back to init 5).
> > >
> > Which Fedora version?  Which KDE version?
> > 
> > > But nothing works. Were have I gone wrong?
> > 
> > Did you try a reboot?  Sometimes restarting X does fail.
> > 
> > Was KDE working before this?
> > 
> > Anne
> I tried reboot but no go. However, using startdesk from init 3 and
> using
> startx resultws when I reboot, I get a different login screen with a
> session choice. I suspect I am not running kde with gnome. If I get
> tired of it I will switch back.
I tried reboot but no go. However, using startdesk from init 3 and using
startx resultws when I reboot, I get a different login screen with a
 session choice. I suspect I am now running kde with gnome. If I get
 tired of it I will switch back.
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Re: Decent scanning app

[Rikke D. Giles]

On 09/04/2008 05:56:52 AM, Mark Haney wrote:
> I'm at my wits end here.  I've googled and looked and tried and can't 
> find a decent scanning application anywhere.  

I use Vuescan, available at www.hamrick.com.  They have a free version, 
but I paid the $whatever it was about 5 years ago and got the 
'professional' version.  It's great, a very good piece of software and 
has worked quite well through all the iterations of Fedora so far.  
It's based on a sane backend now, I think.

Cheers,
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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 13:59 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:51 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote:
> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Anne Wilson wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've
> >> >> always logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other
> >> >> session,
> >> >> then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?
> >> >
> >> > Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> >> > or doesn't that work any more?
> >>
> >> It should, but that file has to be created in F8, is not there in my box.
> >> the switchdesk is an optional package. I find is the quickest way
> >> to change your desktop at the CLI -no file editing.
> >>
> >> ~af
> >>
> > How do you do it using CLI?
> 
> Install the switchdesk package, then change the desktop.
>  $ sudo yum install switchdesk
>  $ switchdesk KDE
> that's it.
> 
> you can use your Fedora CD to install if you don't want to use yum.
> I'm running F8, and I figure F9 should be no different.
> ~af
> 
It is different, and the above does not work. It certainly worked in F8.
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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:48 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:38:12 Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > I do a switchdesk and set KDE as the default window manager. I am told
> > that I have to restart X to make it happen. I do that by typing:
> > ctrl-alt-backspace (or I go to init 3 and then back to init 5).
> >
> Which Fedora version?  Which KDE version?
> 
> > But nothing works. Were have I gone wrong?
> 
> Did you try a reboot?  Sometimes restarting X does fail.
> 
> Was KDE working before this?
> 
> Anne
I tried reboot but no go. However, using startdesk from init 3 and using
startx resultws when I reboot, I get a different login screen with a
session choice. I suspect I am not running kde with gnome. If I get
tired of it I will switch back.
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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Jeff Spaleta]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Bruno Wolff III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is that what my problem was yesterday? I filed a bugzilla about a key I
> was trying to import (mostly about the error message not being very helpful)
> and got feedback that the key was importable by the rawhide rpm. (Which I hope
> to test late tonight or tomorrow.)

Was it?  I not completely up to speed on rpm's capabilities. But I
think it was a problem at one point but i may not be remembering
correctly.   You shouldn't trust me.

I think it would be wisest for the people who are suggesting that
signed keys be used... go ahead and test that rpm can import them on
F8 and F9 systems.  If it doesn't work.. its a non-starter from a
technical perspective and we need to move on.

-jef

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> > or doesn't that work any more?
> 
> It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the past. Note
> that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to
> create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> DESKTOP="KDE"
> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"

I don't believe that any version of Fedora or RHEL populates a
file /etc/sysconfig/desktop but if present, it will be used.

Craig

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:51 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Anne Wilson wrote:
>> >
>> >> I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've
>> >> always logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other
>> >> session,
>> >> then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?
>> >
>> > Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
>> > or doesn't that work any more?
>>
>> It should, but that file has to be created in F8, is not there in my box.
>> the switchdesk is an optional package. I find is the quickest way
>> to change your desktop at the CLI -no file editing.
>>
>> ~af
>>
> How do you do it using CLI?

Install the switchdesk package, then change the desktop.
 $ sudo yum install switchdesk
 $ switchdesk KDE
that's it.

you can use your Fedora CD to install if you don't want to use yum.
I'm running F8, and I figure F9 should be no different.
~af

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Bob Goodwin]

Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:51 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote:
  

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Anne Wilson wrote:

  

I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've
always logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other
session,
then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?


Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
or doesn't that work any more?
  

It should, but that file has to be created in F8, is not there in my box.
the switchdesk is an optional package. I find is the quickest way
to change your desktop at the CLI -no file editing.

~af



How do you do it using CLI?



switchdesk xfce   or switchdesk gnome, whatever ...


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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 12:52:51 -0800,
  Jeff Spaleta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > No one claimed that it couldn't be done, or even that it wouldn't work, just
> > that it was bad politics to have another repo sign.
> 
> Has anyone with the authority to sign with the livna key come forward
> and said they'd be willing to do it?
> 
> Have you tested recently rpm's ability to import keys that have been
> signed versus bare keys?

Is that what my problem was yesterday? I filed a bugzilla about a key I
was trying to import (mostly about the error message not being very helpful)
and got feedback that the key was importable by the rawhide rpm. (Which I hope
to test late tonight or tomorrow.)

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Re: Decent scanning app

[Mark Haney]

Jonathan Underwood wrote:

2008/9/4 Mark Haney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I'm at my wits end here.  I've googled and looked and tried and can't find a
decent scanning application anywhere.  Back in the F8 days I ran kooka and
it was awesome.  Problem is, it's not actively maintained and isn't in KDE4.
 They do have a new scan app called skanlite, but I"ve not found it in
Fedora 9 repos (although it's possibly in a larger package like Kooka was).

So, what decent scanning apps are out there?  I tried Gnomescan.  It sucked.
There's no way to add a scanner device to it that I could see. I was going
to go with Xsane, but wasn't sure about it.

If I have to, I'll rebuild kooka for F9, but surely there's a scanning app
in linux that is active and doesn't suck, right?


What's wrong with xsane? Works for me.

J.



Well, after not finding any decent recommendations for simple apps, I 
figured I'd go with it.  No go.  I get 'no devices found' and no way to 
configure mine.  It's pitiful really.



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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Jeff Spaleta]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No one claimed that it couldn't be done, or even that it wouldn't work, just
> that it was bad politics to have another repo sign.

Has anyone with the authority to sign with the livna key come forward
and said they'd be willing to do it?

Have you tested recently rpm's ability to import keys that have been
signed versus bare keys?

-jef

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Bill Davidsen]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 23:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
NAK - if a fake public key were distributed then packages signed with 
the fake key would be matched, allowing full access to install crap in 
your machine.


True.
  

Actually I don't understand the paragraph above.  It seems to be saying
that packages would be signed with a public key which can't be done. 
So, the person making that statement needs to clarify.


Which is the point I made earlier.
  
And packages signed with any valid redhat key would be 
rejected.


Which is what I said. Thus it would be noticed immediately.
  

No, they would not be rejected as long as you still have Red Hat's
public key installed on your system.  You can determine what public keys
are on your system by "rpm -qa gpg-pubkey*". 


When an rpm is signed it is signed with a private key and information
about the corresponding public key is placed in the rpm file.  That
information is used to retrieve the correct public key for
verification.  So, as long as you've not deleted it, they will verify.


The hypothetical scenario being discussed is that you have already
replaced the former (good but now possibly suspect) public key with a
spurious new one. If that were to happen, you would be in danger of
accepting trojanned packages signed with this new fake key. My point is
that you would also *reject* packages signed with the new good key, and
this would be noticed very quickly (basically the next time you did an
update).

That's exactly right, and why the public key should be as trustworthy as 
possible, because once you accept a single trojanned package you may 
either suffer damage immediately, or have some part of the "next time 
you did an update" fail. Imagine a slight change to updated so it never 
tells you there *is* an update.


I am making the point that an improved method of checking the new key is 
desirable, technically possible, and that a false package could cause 
problems in a very short time, and might be able to hide thereafter.


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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:19 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:38:12 Aaron Konstam wrote:
> >> I do a switchdesk and set KDE as the default window manager. I am told
> >> that I have to restart X to make it happen. I do that by typing:
> >> ctrl-alt-backspace (or I go to init 3 and then back to init 5).
> >>
> > Which Fedora version?  Which KDE version?
> >
> >> But nothing works. Were have I gone wrong?
> >
> > Did you try a reboot?  Sometimes restarting X does fail.
> >
> > Was KDE working before this?
> >
> > Anne
> 
> I can testify that switchdesk doesn't switch to either KDE or KDM in
> F9. I had to use GDM and chang ethe sessino to KDE. This was on a
> machine on which I had installed Gnome first -- I should have bugged
> it, but kinda just forgot about it.

It is F9 and nothing suggested works so far. executing startkde works 

up to a point but I can't get it to execuute at login.
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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> > or doesn't that work any more?
> 
> It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the past. Note
> that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to
> create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> DESKTOP="KDE"
> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> 
> poc
> 
That does not work on my machine.

What do you think of .Xclient-default?
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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>> Anne Wilson wrote:
>>
>> > I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've
>> > always logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other
>> > session,
>> > then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?
>>
>> Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
>> or doesn't that work any more?
> My /etc/sysconfig/desktop is an empty file.
>

See Patrick's reply.

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Bill Davidsen]

Anders Karlsson wrote:

* Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080904 05:29]:

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 10:30 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
hardest of all find a secure way to provide the public part of the  
signing key

The whole point about asymmetric encryption is that you don't need a
secure distribution channel. The worst that can happen is that some fake
public key gets distributed, which won't match the private key and hence
will be instantly detectable.

NAK - if a fake public key were distributed then packages signed with  
the fake key would be matched, allowing full access to install crap in  
your machine. And packages signed with any valid redhat key would be  
rejected.


The public key really must be distributed in a secure manner.


I am sure the infrastructure team is all ears for a detailed
suggestion on how you believe this should be achieved. And with your
extensive experience in the field - you ought to be able to provide a
detailed plan of action.

It's very easy sitting at the side-line criticising, but actually
*doing* it is much harder. 


Which is why I made a concrete and readily implemented suggestion that 
the new key be distributed by livna (and/or atrpm, etc) signed with a 
key which is believed to be secure, preferably several of them.


No one claimed that it couldn't be done, or even that it wouldn't work, 
just that it was bad politics to have another repo sign.


IMHO - we're at the "put up or shut up" point with the criticism now.


I offered a technically viable solution for new key signing and 
distribution, it was rejected for political reasons. Sorry you feel 
that's criticism.


/Anders




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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:51 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Anne Wilson wrote:
> >
> >> I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've
> >> always logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other
> >> session,
> >> then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?
> >
> > Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> > or doesn't that work any more?
> 
> It should, but that file has to be created in F8, is not there in my box.
> the switchdesk is an optional package. I find is the quickest way
> to change your desktop at the CLI -no file editing.
> 
> ~af
> 
How do you do it using CLI?
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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> 
> > I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've
> > always logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other
> > session,
> > then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?
> 
> Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> or doesn't that work any more?
My /etc/sysconfig/desktop is an empty file.

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:56 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 04 September 2008 17:19:51 Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:38:12 Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > >> I do a switchdesk and set KDE as the default window manager. I am told
> > >> that I have to restart X to make it happen. I do that by typing:
> > >> ctrl-alt-backspace (or I go to init 3 and then back to init 5).
> > >
> > > Which Fedora version?  Which KDE version?
> > >
> > >> But nothing works. Were have I gone wrong?
> > >
> > > Did you try a reboot?  Sometimes restarting X does fail.
> > >
> > > Was KDE working before this?
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > I can testify that switchdesk doesn't switch to either KDE or KDM in
> > F9. I had to use GDM and chang ethe sessino to KDE. This was on a
> > machine on which I had installed Gnome first -- I should have bugged
> > it, but kinda just forgot about it.
> >
> I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've always 
> logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other session, 
> then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?
> 
> Anne
Nothing extra. It just allows you to change the default window manager.
The problem with the session icon on the login panel is that I don't
have one. So maybe the question is how to get it to appear. It was there
in previous installations. Any ideas?
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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Bill Davidsen]

Tim wrote:

Bill Davidsen:
Suggestion: since the livna key is still secure (AFAIK) let them 
distribute the new Fedora key and sign the RPM.


Kevin Fenzi:

That was suggested before, but it's not a great solution for several
reasons: Not everyone has livna enabled. Having one repo publish keys
for another seems wrong, especially when they are not officially
connected. 


I'm not sure whether *also* having the keys on other sites is so bad.


I give up, politics as usual. If a proposed solution isn't perfect it 
isn't good enough, so trust us.



If you take it like the GPG model - countersigning and cross-checking
through other sources that you also trust.  If Livna, ATRPMs, and a few
other usual repos had the same Fedora public key, you'd be more
confident that the key you got from what you think is a real Fedora
mirror, is the right one.

Well said. Common sense. The political answer is "wait until new 
improved RPM comes out."


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Re: Decent scanning app

[Bill Davidsen]

Mark Haney wrote:
I'm at my wits end here.  I've googled and looked and tried and can't 
find a decent scanning application anywhere.  Back in the F8 days I ran 
kooka and it was awesome.  Problem is, it's not actively maintained and 
isn't in KDE4.  They do have a new scan app called skanlite, but I"ve 
not found it in Fedora 9 repos (although it's possibly in a larger 
package like Kooka was).


So, what decent scanning apps are out there?  I tried Gnomescan.  It 
sucked. There's no way to add a scanner device to it that I could see. I 
was going to go with Xsane, but wasn't sure about it.


If I have to, I'll rebuild kooka for F9, but surely there's a scanning 
app in linux that is active and doesn't suck, right?


After fighting with xsane for months on several machines, I got iscan, 
which is bog simple but works. YMMV.


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HP PSC scanner problem - Solved

[Steven Stern]

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Posting this for the archives

I know I had this working on some earlier version of Fedora. I'm trying
to get the system to recognize my HP 2200 PSC
printer/scanner/coffeemaker.  I spent about an hour googling without
success, but working through all of the tools and tips in all of those
postings, I can summarize how to make it work.

Given: sane-find-scanner finds it:

found USB scanner (vendor=0x03f0 [Hewlett-Packard], product=0x2911 [PSC
2200 Series]) at libusb:003:002

but "scanimage -L" doesn't find any scanners.

Solution:  yum install libsane-hpaio

Now xsane and gscan2pdf work.

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e fsck? erk.) I did a yum clean and tried it out again, and  
it seems to be behaving itself.


Guess I have to go back and read the threads on broken yum.


My iBook G4 went through the first update, and right at the end of  
the last cleanup transaction (PackageKit), gave me a traceback.  
Something about (copied by hand, to practice my touch-typing ;)


-
dbus.connection:Unable to set arguments () according to signature  
u's': : More items  found in D-Bus  
signature than in Python arguments

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/yum", line 29, in 
yummain.user_main(sys.argv[1:], exit_code=True)
  File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 241 in user_main
errcode = main(args)
  File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 193, in main
base.doTransaction()
  File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 432 in doTransaction
self.runTransaction(cb=cb)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line  
790, in runTransaction

self.plugins.run('posttrans')
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/plugins.py", line 175,  
in run

func(conduitcls(self, self.base, conf, **kwargs))
  File "/usr/lib/yum-plugins/refresh-packagekit.py", line 37, in  
posttrans_hook

packagekit_iface.StateHasChanged('posttrans')
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 68,  
in __call__

return self._proxy_method(*args, **keywords)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line  
140, in __call__

**keywords)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/connection.py", line  
597, in call_blocking

message.append(signature=signature, *args)
TypeError: More items found in D-Bus signature than in Python  
arguments

-

I think I got that right.

I checked the new keys and they are in place in /etc/pki/rpm-gpg .

Anyone else seen this? Is it worth a bug report?

What's the usual thing to do next? keep yumming?

Is there a yum command to check yum's internal consistency?

Joel Rees, Monday morning, 3 am, planning on being off-list and off- 
line for a few hours


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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 04 September 2008 19:35:24 Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've
> > always logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other
> > session,
> > then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?
>
> Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> or doesn't that work any more?
>
> [I would be more likely to switch to Windows
> than part from my "precious bane", KDE.]
>
But you wouldn't want to do that if you wanted the flexibility of choosing 
your WM according to what you were going to work on today.  Doing it from the 
login menu gives you that flexibility.

Anne



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RE: Can't switch to KDE

[landon kelsey]

in talking to bugzilla guys just after F9 install,

I was embarrassed to find that a little icon at the lower left in

the login screen allows the selection of display manager

KDE GNOME or ?

I had already used the following successfully..it worked

> #!/bin/sh
> DESKTOP="KDE"
> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"









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> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:22:12 -0430
> Subject: Re: Can't switch to KDE
>
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>> Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
>> or doesn't that work any more?
>
> It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the past. Note
> that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to
> create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> DESKTOP="KDE"
> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
>
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[Timothy Murphy]

I have a directory containing about 50,000 email messages,
of which I am sure over 95% is spam.

What is the best (quickest) way of passing these messages 
through spamassassin, and deleting those that fail the test.

[I'm running spamd under Fedora-9 on the machine in question.]

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> or doesn't that work any more?

It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the past. Note
that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to
create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE:

#!/bin/sh
DESKTOP="KDE"
DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"

poc

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Re: tooltips locking desktop KDE 4.0.5

[Timothy Murphy]

landon kelsey wrote:

> 
> Once in a while I find that the desktop is locked and so is a taskbar
> tooltipI can only unlock the lock up by (1) hitting the Ctrl-Alt keys 
> (doesn't always work)or(2) pugging unplugging the  flash memory stickThis
> began with Fedora 9 installationOnce I was opening a file with vi and saw
> the tooltip stopthe vi opening

This happens quite often - maybe twice a day - with me.
But I can always cure it by Ctrl-Alt-F1 followed by Ctrl-Alt-F7.

I put it down to KDE-4 teething problems.


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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Timothy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
>
>> I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've
>> always logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other
>> session,
>> then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?
>
> Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> or doesn't that work any more?

It should, but that file has to be created in F8, is not there in my box.
the switchdesk is an optional package. I find is the quickest way
to change your desktop at the CLI -no file editing.

~af

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Timothy Murphy]

Anne Wilson wrote:

> I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've
> always logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other
> session,
> then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?

Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
or doesn't that work any more?

[I would be more likely to switch to Windows
than part from my "precious bane", KDE.]

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tooltips locking desktop KDE 4.0.5

[landon kelsey]

Once in a while I find that the desktop is locked and so is a taskbar tooltipI 
can only unlock the lock up by (1) hitting the Ctrl-Alt keys  (doesn't always 
work)or(2) pugging unplugging the  flash memory stickThis began with Fedora 9 
installationOnce I was opening a file with vi and saw the tooltip stopthe vi 
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Re: IPSEC Roadwarrior-configuration

[Roger Grosswiler]

Am Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:18:12 -0500
schrieb Dan Koehler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> At 12:37 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote:
> 
> >Bonsoir,
> >
> >i try to set up my laptop as a roadwarrior for ipsec. i found some
> >documentation online about host2host or network2network-connections,
> >but all this seems to need fixed ip's.
> >
> >does somebody know about config for ipsec with dynamic ips?
> >
> >thanks for any help/doc/hints/...
> >
> >Roger
> >
> >btw. i already use openvpn, so this is no alternative (even if it is
> >already a good choice, but i wanna give ipsec a try, as i did not
> >find out, how to start openvpn with network-manager while startup.)
> 
> Are you looking to set up the server end of the IPSEC connection as 
> well, or just the laptop?  Which IPSEC implementation are you 
> using?  I have been researching this using Openswan on the server, 
> and Microsoft's L2TP client on the laptop (if the laptop runs 
> Windows).  The book "Building And Integrating Virtual Private 
> Networks With Openswan" by Wouters and Bantoft helps with setting up 
> the server end of things, but seems to be lacking in how to set up 
> the roadwarrior part of the connection (if using Windows).  If you 
> are using Linux on the Laptop as well, then this book will help 
> you.  There are keywords you can use in your setup file that take 
> care of the dynamic IP addressing. 
> 
> 

Hi Dan,

Thanks for the information, i gonna have a look. I try to install
server and clientside, both are linuxish :D

i use the package ipsec-tools from the fedora-repositories, they
deliver already a nice bunch, but unfortunately not a roadwarrior
setting. i first thought about host2host, but the idea of having static
ip on my laptop (which i cannot have connected directly to internet)
did not please at all.

i gonna have a look for that book, thx a lot.

Roger

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Re: Decent scanning app

[Jonathan Underwood]

2008/9/4 Mark Haney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm at my wits end here.  I've googled and looked and tried and can't find a
> decent scanning application anywhere.  Back in the F8 days I ran kooka and
> it was awesome.  Problem is, it's not actively maintained and isn't in KDE4.
>  They do have a new scan app called skanlite, but I"ve not found it in
> Fedora 9 repos (although it's possibly in a larger package like Kooka was).
>
> So, what decent scanning apps are out there?  I tried Gnomescan.  It sucked.
> There's no way to add a scanner device to it that I could see. I was going
> to go with Xsane, but wasn't sure about it.
>
> If I have to, I'll rebuild kooka for F9, but surely there's a scanning app
> in linux that is active and doesn't suck, right?

What's wrong with xsane? Works for me.

J.

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Re: IPSEC Roadwarrior-configuration

[Dan Koehler]

At 12:37 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote:


Bonsoir,

i try to set up my laptop as a roadwarrior for ipsec. i found some
documentation online about host2host or network2network-connections,
but all this seems to need fixed ip's.

does somebody know about config for ipsec with dynamic ips?

thanks for any help/doc/hints/...

Roger

btw. i already use openvpn, so this is no alternative (even if it is
already a good choice, but i wanna give ipsec a try, as i did not find
out, how to start openvpn with network-manager while startup.)


Are you looking to set up the server end of the IPSEC connection as 
well, or just the laptop?  Which IPSEC implementation are you 
using?  I have been researching this using Openswan on the server, 
and Microsoft's L2TP client on the laptop (if the laptop runs 
Windows).  The book "Building And Integrating Virtual Private 
Networks With Openswan" by Wouters and Bantoft helps with setting up 
the server end of things, but seems to be lacking in how to set up 
the roadwarrior part of the connection (if using Windows).  If you 
are using Linux on the Laptop as well, then this book will help 
you.  There are keywords you can use in your setup file that take 
care of the dynamic IP addressing. 



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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Bob Barrett]

Arthur Pemberton wrote:

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:38:12 Aaron Konstam wrote:


I do a switchdesk and set KDE as the default window manager. I am told
that I have to restart X to make it happen. I do that by typing:
ctrl-alt-backspace (or I go to init 3 and then back to init 5).

  

Which Fedora version?  Which KDE version?



But nothing works. Were have I gone wrong?
  

Did you try a reboot?  Sometimes restarting X does fail.

Was KDE working before this?

Anne



I can testify that switchdesk doesn't switch to either KDE or KDM in
F9. I had to use GDM and chang ethe sessino to KDE. This was on a
machine on which I had installed Gnome first -- I should have bugged
it, but kinda just forgot about it.

  

I always boot to runlevel 3 and have had no trouble using switchdesk
in F9. I run switchdesk in an xterm, then logout of X and restart with
startx. Always works.

Bob


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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 04 September 2008 17:19:51 Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:38:12 Aaron Konstam wrote:
> >> I do a switchdesk and set KDE as the default window manager. I am told
> >> that I have to restart X to make it happen. I do that by typing:
> >> ctrl-alt-backspace (or I go to init 3 and then back to init 5).
> >
> > Which Fedora version?  Which KDE version?
> >
> >> But nothing works. Were have I gone wrong?
> >
> > Did you try a reboot?  Sometimes restarting X does fail.
> >
> > Was KDE working before this?
> >
> > Anne
>
> I can testify that switchdesk doesn't switch to either KDE or KDM in
> F9. I had to use GDM and chang ethe sessino to KDE. This was on a
> machine on which I had installed Gnome first -- I should have bugged
> it, but kinda just forgot about it.
>
I've never used switchdesk.  Does it do something spectacular?  I've always 
logged out, used the icon on the login panel to select the other session, 
then logged in again.  What extra does switchdesk give you?

Anne



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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Todd Zullinger]

Tim wrote:
> I'm not sure whether *also* having the keys on other sites is so bad.
> If you take it like the GPG model - countersigning and cross-checking
> through other sources that you also trust.  If Livna, ATRPMs, and a few
> other usual repos had the same Fedora public key, you'd be more
> confident that the key you got from what you think is a real Fedora
> mirror, is the right one.

There certainly isn't anything stopping others from singing the Fedora
key (as can be seen by the number of signatures already¹.  I do wonder
how many of those folks have met with the holder of the secret part of
the Fedora key for verifying the fingerprint.

Another issue with adding signatures to the key is that rpm has no
ability to check those signatures (I'm not even sure if it imports
a key with multiple signatures properly).  Now that rpm is being more
actively developed and the lack of a key revocation feature has been
felt, maybe someone will submit some patches to add such features².

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http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x4F2A6FD2&fingerprint=on&op=vindex
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Re: Ello, I'm sort of new to the lists...is it best to install from livecd?

[Mike McCarty]

Tim wrote:

Chris Tyler:

OTOH, I can't see why you'd avoid LVM these days in most
configurations.  It's very stable, adds only very tiny overhead,


Does it have repair tools yet?  Back when I first considered it,
recovering lost files, etc., from it seemed like it would be much more


[...]


That and the pain of trying to plug a second drive in from another
system to grab files off it, and them both having the same volume/group
names, really put me off it.  It suffers the same problem of volume
labelling - stupid defaults, all installations get identically
identified.


This is a common problem with much software development. The
developers think about new features which make "normal" use
"better" by some criteria. However, they forget to take into
account that sometimes one needs "not normal" use. This even
happens with seemingly seasoned developers. I recall once
when a project lead designed a firmware update protocol for
a telecomm switch which, if it lost remote comm during the
update would leave the remote device in a state where someone
would have to go out to the site (some were in the Phillipines)
remove the board from the switch, and physically desolder the
FLASH chips from the board and replace them. We were doing a
walkthrough and I saw the glaring hole. I had gently to ask
questions and finally we got down to "yes, but what happens
if the satellite link goes down right at this point", when
she finally saw the problem.

Thinking in terms of "how to recover" is a learned skill.

That's one of the reasons I don't run LVM. Another reason
is that, every single line of code on your machine is a place
for a defect to hide out. If you don't actually need the
code, then it shouldn't be there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_testing

Has an interesting take on this issue. I disagree with some
of the statements. For example, the purpose of test is to
verify proper operation, not find defects. Defect finding is
more efficiently done by code reading. However, one really
good statement is

Many software defects are really Defects in Requirements.

No one thinks of putting "data recovery" into the requirements, so it
doesn't get put in. So, there's a hole.

As anyone who actually administers a machine knows, problems
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necessary due to bonehead actions by root.

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Todd Denniston]

Anders Karlsson wrote, On 09/04/2008 01:37 AM:

* Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080904 05:29]:

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 10:30 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
hardest of all find a secure way to provide the public part of the  
signing key

The whole point about asymmetric encryption is that you don't need a
secure distribution channel. The worst that can happen is that some fake
public key gets distributed, which won't match the private key and hence
will be instantly detectable.

NAK - if a fake public key were distributed then packages signed with  
the fake key would be matched, allowing full access to install crap in  
your machine. And packages signed with any valid redhat key would be  
rejected.


The public key really must be distributed in a secure manner.


I am sure the infrastructure team is all ears for a detailed
suggestion on how you believe this should be achieved. And with your
extensive experience in the field - you ought to be able to provide a
detailed plan of action.

It's very easy sitting at the side-line criticising, but actually
*doing* it is much harder. 


IMHO - we're at the "put up or shut up" point with the criticism now.

/Anders



See the suggestion I made a while back[4] for further information about our 
current use of cobwebs of trust.  My suggestion then was not to take care of 
the current situation, it is too late for using it for the current situation, 
but it would make any later situations easier to deal with.  I still think 
Fedora needs a master key made (soon after the current situation is resolved) 
so that we can start building at least a cobweb for it.


suggestions for now:
1) sign the new key with the old key... it is the infrastructure team's plan 
to do so any way, and many folks will be happy with it.
2) distribute [email | website posting | mass CD mailing] a version of the new 
key signed by SEVERAL prominent Fedora and OSS/Free software community 
members. (So any conceived conspiracy has to be larger, and more likely found 
out :)



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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Todd Denniston]

Aldo Foot wrote, On 09/04/2008 12:10 PM:

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 10:30 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:

hardest of all find a secure way to provide the public part of the
signing key

The whole point about asymmetric encryption is that you don't need a
secure distribution channel. The worst that can happen is that some fake
public key gets distributed, which won't match the private key and hence
will be instantly detectable.


NAK - if a fake public key were distributed then packages signed with the
fake key would be matched, allowing full access to install crap in your
machine. And packages signed with any valid redhat key would be rejected.

The public key really must be distributed in a secure manner.



Isn't the point of a Public Key to be publicly distributed?


Only part of the point.
Yes, you can give your Public Key to me, and I can give it to Jim, and Jim can 
give it to Jane, and it is still good for it's purpose, which is to validate 
that the packet of data sent on the net has not been messed with between being 
signed with the private key and arriving at the destination.


But, should Jane be trusting a key given to her by that shady guy Jim to 
install random bits of software?


Now if some time earlier Jane and I had met, and exchanged public keys and she 
felt that my signature was worthy of trust[1], and I had signed your key 
before giving it to Jim, then Jane would have SOME reason to trust that the 
key came from _WHO_ it claims to come from instead of some key that Jim 
generated to do a MITM attack[2].


The underlying thing Bill was getting at with "The public key really must be 
distributed in a secure manner" is security from an INTEGRITY perspective[3].


Unfortunately, currently most of us only have a very tenuous web of trust back 
to any key that that could vouch for the fact that any new key is actually 
from the Fedora crew.  Many folks will trust the key because the old key 
(which has a shadow of doubt over it) will sign it, i.e., they will get it 
with yum and because the old key's sig passes what is on their system it will 
be installed. Some may trust it because they have a substantial web of trust 
to Paul Frields or other Fedora community members who may sign a version of 
the public key. Others may trust it because they trust a person who gives it 
to them and know that person got it physically from a person at the red hat 
building who the second person trusts.


See the suggestion I made a while back[4] for further information about our 
current use of cobwebs of trust.  My suggestion then was not to take care of 
the current situation, it is too late for using it for the current situation, 
but it would make any later situations easier to deal with.  I still think 
Fedora needs a master key made (soon after the current situation is resolved) 
so that we can start building at least a cobweb for it.



The Private Key is what you closely guard against all tampering.

~af



[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust

[2] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-in-the-middle_attack#Example_of_a_successful_MITM_attack_against_public-key_encryption


[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_integrity

[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-August/msg03255.html
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the end of the message, as it looks like foot note 2 is referencing 3-7, but 
those seem to have been concatenated onto the same line with foot note 2.}


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IPSEC Roadwarrior-configuration

[Roger Grosswiler]

Bonsoir,

i try to set up my laptop as a roadwarrior for ipsec. i found some
documentation online about host2host or network2network-connections,
but all this seems to need fixed ip's.

does somebody know about config for ipsec with dynamic ips?

thanks for any help/doc/hints/...

Roger

btw. i already use openvpn, so this is no alternative (even if it is
already a good choice, but i wanna give ipsec a try, as i did not find
out, how to start openvpn with network-manager while startup.)

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 17:16 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
> On 04/09/2008, Todd Zullinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Since rpm/yum don't have any method to handle a key revocation, this
> > process is harder than it might otherwise be.
> 
> "rpm -e --allmatches gpg-pubkey-$fingerprint" not enough? ;o)

Revocation doesn't just mean removing a key, it means declaring it to be
invalid so it won't be used in the future.

poc

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Re: Printer takes ages to print one page with FC8

[Mike McCarty]

M. Fioretti wrote:

On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 01:33:32 AM -0600, Frank Cox wrote:


Most printers have a Test or Demo mode that can be activated by, for


[...]


Very good suggestion, I had completely forgotten about test modes,
thanks. With that model, it turns out that you have to press and hold
down the power button while you press a number of times the form feed
button. Pressing form feed 1, 4, 7 or 11 times (all values found
online) does print 4 different pages. The first is the demo page which
is perfect, afaict.


Then the printer is likely working fine, internally. You
may still have a cable problem, though not nearly so likely.

Tellya what! If the file doesn't contain "secrets", send me a copy,
and I'll try to print a few pages. I know that you want to resolve
this issue, and you need to. However, if my printing a page or
two will "get you over the hump" I can mail them to you. They'll
look the same, because printed on the same model printer and all.


Second one returns install date (2005/11), total page count 5063,
other stuff, an alignment test of each color ( not 100% aligned) and
an "Error code" equal to 90020103. Google says other people have found


I also have gotten that error code. I forget exactly the cause,
but it is something meaningless. ISTR that just reseating the
print cartridges and powering off/on fixes that or something. Anyway,
my printer is working perfectly and shows that same error code.
I pulled the cartridges and reseated them, and turned power off/on
(using front button) and now that code is cleared. So, my vague
memory seems right. I think it means something like a nozzle doesn't
fire sometimes due to incorrect seating of the cartridge. I'd have
to research all over again. I just know that at one time a few
years ago I figured out it wasn't really meaningful.


this error code, but there are no explanation of what it means. Third
page is other textual info on paper-path calibration data and channels
A/B offset and gain table, nothing I can recognize as "printer works"
or "printer is broken". Fourth page is two narrow columns of black


If it comes out, then "printer works". This is a skew test.

From my own investigation years ago, I tried up to 32 presses, and got
these results:

Test pages printed by the HP DeskJet 895C series printers

Press and hold Power, and press and release Resume some number of times,
then release Power.

Number  Results
--  ---
 1  Print self-test page "world-class professional print quality".

 2-3*

 4  Self-test page with printer series, serial number, service ID,
FW rev, page count, PCL default symbol set, mfg 0-2, errror
code, and a test of each jet nozzle.

 5  Power and Resume lights flash in unison 10 times, then Power,
Resume, and Cartridge lamps flash in unison 3 times, then Power
and Resume lights flash in unison 1 time, then Power, Resume,
and Cartridge lights flash in unison 1 time, then Power and
Resume flash in unison 1 time.

 6  Power and Resume lights flash in unison 16 times.

 7  Print alignment sheet.

 8  Print "H" sheets forever.

 9-10   *

11  Print FW rev, paper-path calibraton data and channels A and B
offset and gain tables.

12  Print hex dump of the EEPROM contents.

13-19   *

20  Run a short cleaning cycle.
21  Run a medium cleaning cycle.
22  Run a long cleaning cycle.
23-32   *
33+ Not tried.


horizontal bars and grey points at the very sides of the page, some
rows or = signs in the center. Not sure what this mean, even if it
doesn't look good.

Does all this mean the printer is broken, not anything sw? Maybe, but
I'm not sure.  Meanwhile, at the prompt it still gives:


So far, it looks like the printer is not faulty.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]
~]# lpq DESKJET_895C is not ready


You need to restart the queues.

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 04 September 2008 14:38:12 Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> I do a switchdesk and set KDE as the default window manager. I am told
>> that I have to restart X to make it happen. I do that by typing:
>> ctrl-alt-backspace (or I go to init 3 and then back to init 5).
>>
> Which Fedora version?  Which KDE version?
>
>> But nothing works. Were have I gone wrong?
>
> Did you try a reboot?  Sometimes restarting X does fail.
>
> Was KDE working before this?
>
> Anne

I can testify that switchdesk doesn't switch to either KDE or KDM in
F9. I had to use GDM and chang ethe sessino to KDE. This was on a
machine on which I had installed Gnome first -- I should have bugged
it, but kinda just forgot about it.

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do a switchdesk and set KDE as the default window manager. I am told
> that I have to restart X to make it happen. I do that by typing:
> ctrl-alt-backspace (or I go to init 3 and then back to init 5).
>
> But nothing works. Were have I gone wrong?
> --


In /etc/X11/prefdm edit your preferred desktop manager:

Normally you log out of your GUI session to go to a CLI and then do the
switchdesk command, then startx. You can also use startkde. I never
had to restart X after using switchdesk.

try doing a clean reboot.
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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Bill Crawford]

On 04/09/2008, Todd Zullinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Since rpm/yum don't have any method to handle a key revocation, this
> process is harder than it might otherwise be.

"rpm -e --allmatches gpg-pubkey-$fingerprint" not enough? ;o)

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 09:10:14 -0700,
  Aldo Foot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >
> > The public key really must be distributed in a secure manner.
> 
> 
> Isn't the point of a Public Key to be publicly distributed?

Yes, but you need to know that you have the correct public key. So while it
doesn't need to be secret, it does need integrity protection.

> The Private Key is what you closely guard against all tampering.

The private key needs to be kept secret. Tampering isn't normally going to
be that big of a deal, since you'll notice and then realize it most likely
isn't secret any more and change the key pair.

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Aldo Foot]

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 10:30 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>>
>>> hardest of all find a secure way to provide the public part of the
>>> signing key
>>
>> The whole point about asymmetric encryption is that you don't need a
>> secure distribution channel. The worst that can happen is that some fake
>> public key gets distributed, which won't match the private key and hence
>> will be instantly detectable.
>>
> NAK - if a fake public key were distributed then packages signed with the
> fake key would be matched, allowing full access to install crap in your
> machine. And packages signed with any valid redhat key would be rejected.
>
> The public key really must be distributed in a secure manner.


Isn't the point of a Public Key to be publicly distributed?
The Private Key is what you closely guard against all tampering.

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 23:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> >
>> >> NAK - if a fake public key were distributed then packages signed with
>> >> the fake key would be matched, allowing full access to install crap in
>> >> your machine.
>> >>
>> >
>> > True.
>> >
>> Actually I don't understand the paragraph above.  It seems to be saying
>> that packages would be signed with a public key which can't be done.
>> So, the person making that statement needs to clarify.
>
> Which is the point I made earlier.
>
>> >> And packages signed with any valid redhat key would be
>> >> rejected.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Which is what I said. Thus it would be noticed immediately.
>> >
>> No, they would not be rejected as long as you still have Red Hat's
>> public key installed on your system.  You can determine what public keys
>> are on your system by "rpm -qa gpg-pubkey*".
>>
>> When an rpm is signed it is signed with a private key and information
>> about the corresponding public key is placed in the rpm file.  That
>> information is used to retrieve the correct public key for
>> verification.  So, as long as you've not deleted it, they will verify.
>
> The hypothetical scenario being discussed is that you have already
> replaced the former (good but now possibly suspect) public key with a
> spurious new one. If that were to happen, you would be in danger of
> accepting trojanned packages signed with this new fake key. My point is
> that you would also *reject* packages signed with the new good key, and
> this would be noticed very quickly (basically the next time you did an
> update).
>
> poc

That's what logic says. Things should work If a new private key is created
and the corresponding public key distribuited.
Doesn't matter how many fake keys I may have. I'll know something
is wrong with my updates if I have a pirate public key.

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 23:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >
> >> NAK - if a fake public key were distributed then packages signed with 
> >> the fake key would be matched, allowing full access to install crap in 
> >> your machine.
> >> 
> >
> > True.
> >   
> Actually I don't understand the paragraph above.  It seems to be saying
> that packages would be signed with a public key which can't be done. 
> So, the person making that statement needs to clarify.

Which is the point I made earlier.
  
> >> And packages signed with any valid redhat key would be 
> >> rejected.
> >> 
> >
> > Which is what I said. Thus it would be noticed immediately.
> >   
> No, they would not be rejected as long as you still have Red Hat's
> public key installed on your system.  You can determine what public keys
> are on your system by "rpm -qa gpg-pubkey*". 
> 
> When an rpm is signed it is signed with a private key and information
> about the corresponding public key is placed in the rpm file.  That
> information is used to retrieve the correct public key for
> verification.  So, as long as you've not deleted it, they will verify.

The hypothetical scenario being discussed is that you have already
replaced the former (good but now possibly suspect) public key with a
spurious new one. If that were to happen, you would be in danger of
accepting trojanned packages signed with this new fake key. My point is
that you would also *reject* packages signed with the new good key, and
this would be noticed very quickly (basically the next time you did an
update).

poc

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Re: Playing .ogv files from a web site in FF

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> Yesterday I tried to open an .ogv file on a website in FF - I didn't want to 
> save it.  I couldn't do it.  Konqueror allowed me to specify a player to open 
> the file.  How can I get FF to play such files?  What do I need that might be 
> missing?

firefox 3.1apre


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Re: what's wrong with rkhunter?

[John Horne]

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 08:40 +0200, François Patte wrote:
> Le 04.09.2008 02:02, Kevin Fenzi a écrit :
> > On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:01:24 +0200
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (François Patte) wrote:
> > 
> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> >>
> >> Bonjour,
> > 
> > Greetings. 
> > 
> >> I tried to run rkhunter -c on my system.
> >>
> >> Result:
> >>
> >> The language specified is not available: en
> >> Use the command 'rkhunter --lang en --list languages' to see the list
> >> of available languages.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am not so bad, I tried what they said:
> >>
> >> rkhunter --lang en --list languages
> >>
> >> then again:
> >>
> >> The language specified is not available: en
> >> Use the command 'rkhunter --lang en --list languages' to see the list
> >> of available languages.
> >>
If it is a default installation - which I think the Fedora RPM does -
then the language files should be in the '/var/lib/rkhunter/db/i18n'
directory. What rkhunter (RKH) is saying is that the 'en' language file
is not there.

You can run 'rkhunter --update' and it will try and download the latest
language files, even if they (including the 'en' file) are not currently
present on your system.

If you want to provide a new translation then you can do this by
translating the 'en' file into your langauge. (You only need to
translate the message text in the file, not the keywords (e.g. not
MSG_TYPE_WARNING and so on, just the text after the first colon)). Put
the file into the above directory, and either use the '--lang'
command-line option, or set the LANGUAGE in your /etc/rkhunter.conf
configuration file. You can then test it out. The downside is that as
RKH develops so the 'en' file changes; you need to try and keep up with
those changes. RKH will use the 'en' file if a particular keyword is not
in your language file - that way RKH keeps working even if your langauge
file gets out of date. If you want the language file made part of the
RKH program, then please submit this as a feature request on the RKH bug
tracker page
(http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=794190&group_id=155034&func=browse)



Regards,

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Ed Greshko]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
>> NAK - if a fake public key were distributed then packages signed with 
>> the fake key would be matched, allowing full access to install crap in 
>> your machine.
>> 
>
> True.
>   
Actually I don't understand the paragraph above.  It seems to be saying
that packages would be signed with a public key which can't be done. 
So, the person making that statement needs to clarify.
>   
>> And packages signed with any valid redhat key would be 
>> rejected.
>> 
>
> Which is what I said. Thus it would be noticed immediately.
>   
No, they would not be rejected as long as you still have Red Hat's
public key installed on your system.  You can determine what public keys
are on your system by "rpm -qa gpg-pubkey*". 

When an rpm is signed it is signed with a private key and information
about the corresponding public key is placed in the rpm file.  That
information is used to retrieve the correct public key for
verification.  So, as long as you've not deleted it, they will verify.
>   


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Re: Yum plugins -

[Bob Goodwin]

Chris G wrote:

On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 07:55:37AM -0700, Dennis Kaptain wrote:
  

- Mensaje original 



De: Bob Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Para: For users of Fedora Core releases 
Enviado: jueves, 4 de septiembre, 2008 7:39:51
Asunto: Yum plugins -


I've installed F-9 and in the process lost the yum plugins such as 
"fastest mirror" and I can't find where they came from?


Can someone point me in the right direction?

Bob

  
Bob 


Very often when I need a package but don't remember the name I try
yum list available | grep -i what_I_am_looking_for



You can do much the same by doing:-

yum list '*what_I_am_looking_for*'

except that I think it's case sensitive.

  
I will add those routines to my notes.  I keep a lot of stuff in 
"notecase."  A really neat system for the purpose!


Thank you.

Bob

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Re: Yum plugins -

[Chris G]

On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 07:55:37AM -0700, Dennis Kaptain wrote:
> - Mensaje original 
> 
> > De: Bob Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Para: For users of Fedora Core releases 
> > Enviado: jueves, 4 de septiembre, 2008 7:39:51
> > Asunto: Yum plugins -
> > 
> > 
> > I've installed F-9 and in the process lost the yum plugins such as 
> > "fastest mirror" and I can't find where they came from?
> > 
> > Can someone point me in the right direction?
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> 
> 
> Bob 
> 
> Very often when I need a package but don't remember the name I try
> yum list available | grep -i what_I_am_looking_for
> 
You can do much the same by doing:-

yum list '*what_I_am_looking_for*'

except that I think it's case sensitive.

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Re: Yum plugins -

[Dennis Kaptain]

- Mensaje original 

> De: Bob Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Para: For users of Fedora Core releases 
> Enviado: jueves, 4 de septiembre, 2008 7:39:51
> Asunto: Yum plugins -
> 
> 
> I've installed F-9 and in the process lost the yum plugins such as 
> "fastest mirror" and I can't find where they came from?
> 
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
> 
> Bob
> 


Bob 

Very often when I need a package but don't remember the name I try
yum list available | grep -i what_I_am_looking_for

If the package name has any resemblance to what it does, that usually works.
As long as the package isn't named icedax, wodim or some other name that has 
nothing to do with the function it performs, you'll do fine.

Dennis


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Re: kde4 port of katapult

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Armin Moradi wrote:
> Will there be a port of Katapult for kde4??

you obviously missed this when i forwarded to this list.
note link 'full announcement', at bottom;



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Subject: [kde-announce] KDE 4.1.1 Out Now
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:12:04 +0200
From: Sebastian Kügler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: KDE e.V.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

KDE Community Stabilizes Desktop with KDE 4.1.1

 September 3, 2008. The KDE Community today announced the immediate
availability of KDE 4.1.1, the first bugfix and maintenance update for the
latest generation of the most advanced and powerful free desktop. KDE 4.1.1 is
a monthly update to KDE 4.1. It ships with a basic desktop and many other
packages; like administration programs, network tools, educational
applications, utilities, multimedia software, games, artwork, web development
tools and more. KDE's award-winning tools and applications are available in
more than 50 languages.

The KDE 4.1 desktop
 KDE, including all its libraries and its applications, is available for free
under Open Source licenses. KDE can be obtained in source and various binary
formats from http://download.kde.org and can also be obtained on CD-ROM or
with any of the major GNU/Linux and UNIX systems shipping today.
Enhancements
 Pretty much all applications have received the developers' attention,
resulting in a  long list of bugfixes and improvements. The most significant
changes are:

- - Significant performance, interaction and rendering correctness improvements
  in KHTML and Konqueror, KDE's webbrowser
- - User interaction, rendering and stability fixes in Plasma, the KDE4 desktop
  shell
- - PDF backend fixes in the document viewer Okular
- - Fixes in Gwenview, the image viewer's thumbnailing, more robust retrieval
  and display of images with broken metadata
- - Stability and interaction fixes in KMail

To find out more about KDE 4.1, please refer to the KDE 4.1.0 and KDE 4.0.0
release notes. KDE 4.1.1 is a recommended update for everyone running KDE
4.1.0. It will be followed up by more x.y.z updates over the next months and
ultimately by a new feature release, KDE 4.2.0 this coming January.

The full announcement is up at
http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.1.1.php

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Re: InDependance

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Tim wrote:

> So named, because she doesn't want any of us to know whether she's
> single, married, or divorced...;-)

kind of stretching for that one.

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tc,hago.

g
.

in a free world without fences, who needs gates.

learn linux:
'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition'   http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
'The Linux Documentation Project'   http://www.tldp.org/
'HowtoForge'   http://howtoforge.com/
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