f10 gdm user hide

[Frank Cox]

Is there any way to remove a user's name from the list on the initial gdm login
screen?

Related:  Is there a way to reorganize the names?  For example, if the list has
Fred at the top and Sally under that, can the order be reversed so Sally is on
top?

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Re: Accidently Removed "Add/Remove Programs"

[Bruce Thompson]

On Dec 12, 2008, at 1:17 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:



I personally look forward to the day when the open source software
ecosystem toolset achieves self-awareness and starts writing and
implementing its own release policies, removing the need for any human
interaction in the process at all.  That will be a glorious 3.4
milliseconds before the newly aware computer overmind concludes that
humans should be purged. As our world burns, open source advocates
like myself will be able to take solace in the knowledge that the
dominant sentient species on the planet from that day forward will
have open source ideals as a core belief. We will have won the debate.


I, for one, welcome our new silicon overlords!

Sorry, couldn't resist...


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Re: f9: Have sound with Gnome, not with TWM.

[Kevin Kofler]

Reg Clemens wrote:
> So, the children that set up this new sound system are doing something
> to get it running when GNOME starts, but didnt bother to do the same for
> (all) other window systems Mumph.

Well, there are 2 issues here:
1. PulseAudio in F9 is set up using a special hack using PulseAudio's ESD
compatibility in GNOME and the kde-settings-pulseaudio hack in KDE, it
won't work in any other desktop.
2. In F10, it finally uses the freedesktop.org-compliant /etc/xdg/autostart,
but TWM won't interpret that, in fact I doubt TWM supports *any* sort of
autostarting. It's time to migrate to a real desktop environment which
actually understands modern (and already several years old) freedesktop.org
standards. TWM is useful as an emergency fallback if you broke all your
desktop environments, but that's about it.

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[ot] disk drive vs. thermodynamics

[Neal Becker]

Have you ever noticed the close relation between disk drives and 2nd law of 
thermodynamics?

On a disk, the total number of bad blocks can only increase over time.

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Volgroup00 not found

[Braden McDaniel]

After installing F10 and rebooting, I get "Volgroup00 not found".

I installed F10 over an existing Fedora installation. (I did not  
perform an upgrade.) I can boot to rescue mode and things seem to be  
mounted okay under /mnt/sysimage. What can I do to fix this?


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Re: f9: Have sound with Gnome, not with TWM.

[Andras Simon]

On 12/12/08, Kevin Kofler  wrote:

> 2. In F10, it finally uses the freedesktop.org-compliant /etc/xdg/autostart,
> but TWM won't interpret that, in fact I doubt TWM supports *any* sort of
> autostarting. It's time to migrate to a real desktop environment which
> actually understands modern (and already several years old) freedesktop.org
> standards. TWM is useful as an emergency fallback if you broke all your
> desktop environments, but that's about it.

I don't know about the OP, but I'd rather get rid of PA than "migrate
to a real desktop environment" if at all possible...

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Andras

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Re: f10 gdm user hide

[iarly selbir]

I want too know the answer for this question.

I tried solve this for long time, but I couldn't.

:)


Regards,

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On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Frank Cox  wrote:

> Is there any way to remove a user's name from the list on the initial gdm
> login
> screen?
>
> Related:  Is there a way to reorganize the names?  For example, if the list
> has
> Fred at the top and Sally under that, can the order be reversed so Sally is
> on
> top?
>
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AES on Fedora Core

[Karthik Balaguru]

Hi,

I am using 35.206 V7.0.0 3GPP that has 32-Bit Word Oriented listing 
as AES_128 for AES CMAC discussed in RFC4493.

It is working fine with RH(Linux version 2.6.9-22.ELsmp 
(bhcomp...@porky.build.redhat.com)) but 
with Fedora Core, it is corrupting the stack/local variables & other 
related data.
How is it possible ? Any ideas.

On Analysis, i find that,
AES works & does not affect stack & local variables if we call from the 
main or from an API that inturn calls AES.
main -> AES
main -> API -> AES

But, if we have an AES invokation as below , though it is working, it is 
corrupting the stack & local variables.
main -> API -> API ->AES

Any ideas ?

Thx in advans,
Karthik Balaguru



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Re: [ot] disk drive vs. thermodynamics

[Ed Greshko]

Neal Becker wrote:
> Have you ever noticed the close relation between disk drives and 2nd law of 
> thermodynamics?
>
> On a disk, the total number of bad blocks can only increase over time.
>
>   
The same law applies to age spots.


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Contributions

[Rahul Sundaram]

Dave Stevens wrote:


And on that note, do you see any substantial contributions coming from 
academics? 


I don't see much of code but there are a number of people with a 
background in Academics one way or the other, contributing. Usually, on 
their own.


They have salaries too even if they aren't commercial orgs,
likewise non-profit orgs and gov't. Didn't DHS contribute scalpel and 
foremost? didn't yum come from Duke?


Seth Vidal used to work as a sys admin in Duke and wrote yum to help 
automate more of his work. I don't know if I would consider that a Duke 
contribution necessarily but Duke has helped out in a number of other 
substantial ways. Hardware and bandwidth for some of the Fedora 
infrastructure systems for quite sometime for instance.


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Re: Annoying sudo change?

[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:29:44 +1030
Tim wrote:

> Using the full path to commands has always been common advice for
> including them in scripts.  Sure, there are probably times when that has
> it's problems, too.  But nothing's perfect.

Until you try to run the same script on a distro like ubuntu where
you find "sort" in /usr/bin instead of /bin :-).

The advice I've always used is to explicitly set PATH to a safe
value at the start of the script, then it can deal with variations
like /bin versus /usr/bin with no changes and a lot less typing
in the rest of the script (until sudo drops one of the PATH components :-).

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Re: Annoying sudo change?

[Tim]

On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 23:56 -0500, Steven W. Orr wrote:
> Regardless, what sort of suggestion does anyone have to allow Tom to
> do what he wants?

Using the full path to commands has always been common advice for
including them in scripts.  Sure, there are probably times when that has
it's problems, too.  But nothing's perfect.

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Re: Weather icons missing in GNOME clock applet [SOLVED-ish]

[Tim]

On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 14:45 -0500, fred smith wrote:
> OK, so I stumbled around in there for ten minutes before finding the 
> SET button, even after reading the above (I never claimed brilliance,
> but it IS an obscure app). Even after finding the set button, and
> having previously entered my home location info, it still isn't
> showing weather info. :(

Has this changed since Fedora 9?

The usually hidden "set" button has nothing to do with the weather, but
is a way to change the computer's timezone.  e.g. If you have Sydney,
London and New York set up, you see the time and a weather icon for each
of them, and you can change your computer to using their time zones with
a click on the appearing set button (and a root authorisation).  By
default, the weather you see is just an icon, but hovering over the
weather icon pops up weather details.

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RE: Volgroup00 not found

[Joseph L. Casale]

>After installing F10 and rebooting, I get "Volgroup00 not found".
>
>I installed F10 over an existing Fedora installation. (I did not  
>perform an upgrade.) I can boot to rescue mode and things seem to be  
>mounted okay under /mnt/sysimage. What can I do to fix this?

Bad initrd maybe? What storage controller are you using? You might boot
to the rescue disc and regenerate it adding a --with={module_name}...

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Re: Fedora 10 freezes after a while

[Beachside]

Hello,

I have the same problem on my Compaq CQ70-120US laptop. After a while I can
click on the workspace switcher and the pointer goes away and that is it. no
 or anything else. Power button is the only solution.



Globe Trotter wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> For the fourth day running, my Fedora 10 upgraded (from F9) installation
> on my trusty Dell Dimension 650 with  ATI Technologies Radeon R300 NG
> (FireGL X1) graphics card has frozen. Frustratingly, this happens after I
> come home from work (where this machine is). I thought this may be due to
> the kernel modesetting so I set nomodeset at the end of the line when I
> booted. (Even though I wondered about the problem given that I do not have
> the compiz installed. I have looked at /var/log/messages, /var/log/secure,
> no luck. Strangely enough by some quirk, I have been away for long periods
> during the day, but not had a problem so it is hard to track down. Can
> anyone please help? How do I track this down?
> 
> Talking of which, is it possible to downgrade to Fedora 9, using yum, etc?
> I did not have this problem last week at least: I upgraded on Monday.
> 
> Many thanks and best wishes,
> Trotter
> 
> 
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Re: infrastructure modest proposal

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 11 December 2008 20:18:51 Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> Fact: the push of dbus directly to stable was a mistake.. it was not
> intentional

Devs and maintainers are not allowed to make mistakes!  That would imply that 
they are human beings, and we can't have users with such dangerous thoughts!

:-)

Anne


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Re: infrastructure modest proposal

[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:40:00 +
Anne Wilson wrote:

> > Fact: the push of dbus directly to stable was a mistake.. it was not
> > intentional  
> 
> Devs and maintainers are not allowed to make mistakes!  That would imply that 
> they are human beings, and we can't have users with such dangerous thoughts!

Well, that was what my original proposal was about. Pore old humans
can decide to push things to "almost updates", but only a computer
which verifies the updates can be applied successfuly to at least one
test instance of a fedora install can push the updates out of "almost
updates" and into "updates".

Of course, I wasn't thinking about the dbus incident specifically,
since that version of dbus applied with no conflicts, it would have
made it through the automated test as well. I was thinking more
about all the conflicts which continually show up where some new
package needs a new library and the new library isn't available
yet, etc. Just a quick automated test to prevent obvious problems
from reaching updates, but short of a full-blown dependency analysis
of the entire repo.

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ad-hoc connection sharing

[Arnav Kalra]

i have a fedora 10 laptop and a window vista laptop when i try to share
internet connection vista does not detect wifi network

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Re: f10 gdm user hide

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Frank Cox wrote:
> Is there any way to remove a user's name from the list on the initial gdm 
> login
> screen?
> 
> Related:  Is there a way to reorganize the names?  For example, if the list 
> has
> Fred at the top and Sally under that, can the order be reversed so Sally is on
> top?
> 
I don't know how to sort them - it looks like they are by uid. But
to select what users are displayed, try System --> Administration
--> Login Window --> Users.

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Re: Annoying sudo change?

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Tom Horsley wrote:
> 
> Shouldn't proper security dictate that root's login PATH be just
> as restricted as sudo's built-in PATH? :-).
> 
Root's login path is not fixed, but it built when root logs in. When
actually running as root, you may want automatic access to
directories that you do not want on the path for sudo users.
Depending on sudo is configured, they may not be able to access them
even if they know where they are, or you may want to limit access to
them to prevent an user from running them ascendantly.

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Re: F10, VMware Server 2.0, and selinux

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> I'm just curious - Has anyone made any progress on figuring out why
> VMware Server 2.0 does NOT run on F10 unless selinux is disabled? Even
> running selinux in permissive mode causes VMware Server fits.
> 
> This has been this way at least since VMware Server 1.x running on F8. I
> know because I can recall having to fully disable selinux on my VMware
> Server systems for at least that long.
> 
> It never seems to have been fixed to this day, and that's a long time
> for such an issue to exist. Is anyone working to resolve it?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
Do you have a bugzilla on this?  I am not aware of the problem.
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Re: infrastructure modest proposal

[Kevin Martin]

Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:40:00 +
> Anne Wilson wrote:
>
>   
>>> Fact: the push of dbus directly to stable was a mistake.. it was not
>>> intentional  
>>>   
>> Devs and maintainers are not allowed to make mistakes!  That would imply 
>> that 
>> they are human beings, and we can't have users with such dangerous thoughts!
>> 
>
> Well, that was what my original proposal was about. Pore old humans
> can decide to push things to "almost updates", but only a computer
> which verifies the updates can be applied successfuly to at least one
> test instance of a fedora install can push the updates out of "almost
> updates" and into "updates".
>
> Of course, I wasn't thinking about the dbus incident specifically,
> since that version of dbus applied with no conflicts, it would have
> made it through the automated test as well. I was thinking more
> about all the conflicts which continually show up where some new
> package needs a new library and the new library isn't available
> yet, etc. Just a quick automated test to prevent obvious problems
> from reaching updates, but short of a full-blown dependency analysis
> of the entire repo.
>
>   
FWIW, the 3 layer model is used to great effect in everyday business. 
First, there's "testing" where the developers get to play to their
hearts content and, hopefully, get a product to "production" level. 
Then the product goes to "qa" or "qc" where it "burns in" for awhile
with other products that may or may not "play nice" with it (aren't
double quotes wonderous little things!).  If they don't "play nice"
together then it goes back to testing for more work and then back to
qa/qc until it all works as planned.  Then, and only then, does it move
to production.  I understand that Fedora is a bunch of folks doing the
work on a volunteer basis but that just makes the idea of a qa
environment that much more useful.

Kevin

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Re: grub boot fails - sees wrong fs type

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

g wrote:
> greetings,
> 
> in another box, lost power supply due to 'bad caps syndrome'.
> 
> moved hard drives from old box to new box and ran 'cp -a' and 'rsync' to move
> old systems files to backup drive.
> 
> reformatted partitions and ran 'cp -a' and 'rsync' to move old systems files
> to new drive.
> 
> for moving distribs from backup drive to new drive.
> 
<---[ snip ]--->
> 
> note: grub is setup to use hdb1 as initial boot partition, not boot drive.
> note: hdb5/6 were 'reiserfs journalized', reformatted to 'ext3 journalized'.
> 
> in new box, sl5.4 and m2k's boot ok. f8s fails boot with error messages;
> 
> +++
> Creating root device
> Mounting root filesystem
> Reiserfs: sdb5: warning; sh-2021 reiserfs_fill_super: cannot find reiserfs \
>   on sdb5
> mount: error mounting /dev/root on /sysroot as reiserfs: invalid argument
> Setting up other file systems
> Setting up new root fs
> Setup root: moving /dev failed: no such file or directory
> No fstab.sys, mounting internal defaults
> Setup root: error mounting /proc: no such file or directory
> Setup root: error mounting /sys: no such file or directory
> Switching to new root and running init
> Unmounting old /dev
> Unmounting old /proc
> Unmounting old /sys
> Switchroot: mount failed: No such file or directory
> Booting has failed
> +++
> 
> read 'grub manual', 'man grub', and 'man grub-install', trying both to
> correct. still fails.
> 
> it appears that grub is not getting hdb5 fs type correct.
> 
> what arguments do i need to pass to grub for it to get hdb5 correct?
> 
> or should i wipe hdb1 '/boot/grub' and reinstall?
> 
Grub does not set the filesystem type. All Grub does is pass to the
kernel the root file system location. All your error messages are
from the kernel, not Grub. You can try rebuilding the initrd, and
see if that fixes the problem. If I remember correctly, the initrd
has its own fstab, and it probably has the wrong filesystem type in it.

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Re: f9: Have sound with Gnome, not with TWM.

[Kevin Kofler]

I wrote:
> Well, there are 2 issues here:
> 1. PulseAudio in F9 is set up using a special hack using PulseAudio's ESD
> compatibility in GNOME and the kde-settings-pulseaudio hack in KDE, it
> won't work in any other desktop.
> 2. In F10, it finally uses the freedesktop.org-compliant
> /etc/xdg/autostart, but TWM won't interpret that, in fact I doubt TWM
> supports *any* sort of autostarting. It's time to migrate to a real
> desktop environment which actually understands modern (and already several
> years old) freedesktop.org standards. TWM is useful as an emergency
> fallback if you broke all your desktop environments, but that's about it.

Oh and I forgot:
3. Device permissions are given out by ConsoleKit (or by HAL, but that also
uses ConsoleKit to decide whom to give them out to) these days, and that
has been reported to only work properly when using GDM or KDM (other
displaymanagers are known not to support it), not startx. (Console logins
are supposed to get registered too, but either that doesn't work or it
doesn't work with startx.) That affects both PulseAudio and direct hardware
access. If you want to get working access to sound and other hardware
devices, launch your TWM from KDM or GDM, not startx. (But that still
doesn't solve the problem of PulseAudio not getting started.)

Kevin Kofler

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Re: rpm problem, now mplayer/gpm is busted :-(

[Kevin Kofler]

Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> You would prefer that the installer remove all packages not on the
> installation media on upgrading? If it did that then you would lose
> the ability to simply upgrade all applications from 3rd parties after
> install.
> 
> Because the installer ignores these problems, as soon as you have your
> repositories reconfigured again for Fedora 10, all you have to do is
> run an update to fix things.
> 
> If the installer removed all broken applications, you'd have to
> install all of them by hand again manually after your repositories
> were reconfigured again.  If you want to do that you might as well
> just do a fresh install instead of an upgrade.

+1. This is a feature, not a bug.

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Re: VM question

[Kevin Martin]

Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Kevin Kempter wrote:
>>
>> Flash is a minor piece - however based on what I've read lately
>> around the net It seems that the 386 version is more 'desktop'
>> friendly but I have little solid examples. I'm wondering what folks
>> on the fedora list think of:
>> a) the claim that Fedora 10 386 is more desktop friendly than Fedora
>> 10 x86_64
>> and
>>   
> "Desktop friendly?" Sounds like you've read some very bad opinion
> pages. I've been using x86_64 solid for a few years now. I love it.
> There's nothing wrong with the x86_64 arch. You can run i386 arch
> packages right along side if you are really that terrified...
>> b) thoughts/experiences, etc per running VM's on top of VMware's ESX
>> Server
>>   
> I've never used ESX. Only Workstation, Player, and Server. I despise
> VMWare products in general. They're too heavy in download size and
> require too much processing power to function fluidly. I prefer KVM or
> VirtualBox over VMWare any day.
>
I concur on the VirtaulBox comment.  I've used VMWare Workstation and
Server for along time but they don't keep up with the latest versions of
the Linux kernel so it's hard to install alot of times on later
kernels.  VirtualBox keeps up and seems to be at least as robust as
VMWare products.


Kevin

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Re: packagekit problem on F10

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 13:23 -0800, sandir wrote:
> REMOVING THE DEPENDENCY ERROR IN PACKAGEKIT IN FEDORA 10
> 
> 1. REMOVE THE PackageKit
> [root]# yum remove PackageKit
> 
> 2. VERIFY THAT PackageKit is removed
> [root]# rpm -qa | grep 'PackageKit'
> 
> 3. INSTALL NEWER VERSION OF PackageKit AGAIN USING yum
> [root]# yum install PackageKit
> 
> 4. DOWNLOAD THE LATEST AND CORRECT VERSION OF gnome-packagekit
> [root]# wget
> http://ftp.linux.org.tr/fedora/updates/testing/10/x86_64/gnome-packagekit-0.3.11-1.fc10.x86_64.rpm
> 
> 5. INSTALL THE CORRECT VERSION OF gnome-packagekit
> [root]# rpm -Uvh gnome-packagekit-0.3.11-1.fc10.x86_64.rpm
> 
> 
> Everything should be working fine. 
> 
I don't know aabout the F10 versions of thewse PakageKit rpms but as I
keep pointing out the F9 versions cannot be installed due to missing
dependencies. Is there any help out there for us F9 people?
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Re: Sed programming question

[Kevin Martin]

Dan Thurman wrote:
> Kevin Martin wrote:
>>
>> Gordon Messmer wrote:
>>  
>>> Dan Thurman wrote:
>>>
 I tested your suggestion above with and without -r option
 but could not make it work as an "AND operator":

 # echo "foo har" | sed -re '/foo/{/bar/{s/foo/goo/}}'
 goo har
   
>>> $ rpm -q sed
>>> sed-4.1.5-11.fc10.x86_64
>>>
>>> $ echo "foo har" | sed -re '/foo/{/bar/{s/foo/goo/}}'
>>> foo har
>>>
>>> 
>>
>> $ echo "foo har"  | sed -e "s/foo/goo/g" -e "s/har/bar/g"
>> goo bar
>>
>> Is this what you're trying to do?
>>
>> Kevin
>>   
> No.  The result should be: (foo AND har) = (1&0)=0
> so the inside nested brackets should not be allowed to
> run and the original string (foo har) is returned.
>
> Dan
>
Ah, I missed the first part of the conversation where it was explained
what you were doing (ah, snipped mail).  Sorry for butting in.

Kevin

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Re: Xorg CPU Hog

[Chan]

Friends,

I don't need any help but just want to report that I'm seeing
improvement of about 40% after updating to the latest patches (yum
update).

here's my firstboot.

X.Org X Server 1.5.3
Release Date: 5 November 2008
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.18-92.1.10.el5 i686
Current Operating System: Linux ..net 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686
#1 SMP Tue Nov 18 12:19:59 EST 2008 i686
Build Date: 16 November 2008  08:29:02PM
Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.5.3-5.fc10
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(++) Log file: "/tmp/firstbootX.log", Time: Mon Dec  8 08:50:47 2008
(EE) Unable to locate/open config file
(II) Loader magic: 0x81f4400
(II) Module ABI versions:
X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
X.Org Video Driver: 4.1
X.Org XInput driver : 2.1
X.Org Server Extension : 1.1
X.Org Font Renderer : 0.6
(II) Loader running on linux
(++) using VT number 6

(--) PCI:*(0...@0:2:0) Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics
Controller rev 2, Mem @ 0xf000/0, 0xfc40/0, I/O @ 0x14d0/0
(==) Matched intel for the autoconfigured driver
New driver is "intel"
(==) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines)
(==) --- Start of built-in configuration ---
Section "Device"
Identifier  "Builtin Default intel Device 0"
Driver  "intel"
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier  "Builtin Default intel Screen 0"
Device  "Builtin Default intel Device 0"


On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> On 12/10/2008 10:42 AM, Chan wrote:
>>
>> Your excellencies,
>>
>> I have a brand new install of F10 on a reasonably fast desktop.  The
>> only apps are FF 3.0.4 that came with the install and VNC, also came
>> with the install.
>>
>> It's painful to watch the screen repaint.  Through googling, I saw
>> some discussion out there.  I just want to report it here and see if
>> anyone has any idea?
>
> If you want useful information, you need to say at least what video card you
> have and what desktop you're using.
>
> poc
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Frirefox printing anomoly

[Geoffrey Leach]

Firefox appears (newly) to be adding a header and trailer to page 
printouts, making one page become two on printout. Anyone know how to 
suppress this?

Thanks. 


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Re: Looks gnome-packagekit dependency is broken

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 09:14 +0900, Otgonbayar.A wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 07:28 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >   
> >> 李满 wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Look here
> >>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/PackageKit-0.3.12-1.fc9,gnome-packagekit-0.3.12-3.fc9,kpackagekit-0.3.1-6.fc9
> >>>   
> >> That's for F9. The F10 update is this one:
> >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2008-11078
> >>
> >> Kevin Kofler
> >>
> >> 
> > As I said in a separate message the F9 rpms can't be installed do to not
> > being able to find dependencies. No one has explained how to
> > successfully install them.
> >   
> I downloaded all rpm's and installed it.
> rpm -i *.rpm
> 
> As I remember it requested smart package so I installed that before 
> install these rpm's.
> yun install smart.
> 
> That's all. And it works fine now.

> Otgonbayar.A
> 
Well here is my experience:
rpm -i PackageKit-0.3.12-1.fc9.i386.rpm \
gnome-packagekit-0.3.12-3.fc9.i386.rpm

error: Failed dependencies:
PackageKit-glib = 0.3.12-1.fc9 is needed by
PackageKit-0.3.12-1.fc9.i386
PackageKit-udev-helper = 0.3.12-1.fc9 is needed by
PackageKit-0.3.12-1.fc9.i386
PackageKit-yum = 0.3.12-1.fc9 is needed by PackageKit-0.3.12-1.fc9.i386
PackageKit-yum-plugin = 0.3.12-1.fc9 is needed by
PackageKit-0.3.12-1.fc9.i386
libpackagekit-glib.so.11 is needed by PackageKit-0.3.12-1.fc9.i386
PackageKit-libs >= 0.3.11 is needed by
gnome-packagekit-0.3.12-3.fc9.i386
libpackagekit-glib.so.11 is needed by
gnome-packagekit-0.3.12-3.fc9.i386

Where did you get these dependencies.
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Re: Frirefox printing anomoly

[Tony Placilla]

>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:42 AM, in message
<1229096542.298...@mtranch.mtranch.com>, Geoffrey Leach 
wrote: 
> Firefox appears (newly) to be adding a header and trailer to page 
> printouts, making one page become two on printout. Anyone know how to 
> suppress this?
> 
> Thanks.   
> 

Are you talking about the URL's & date/time stamps added as a header & footer?

if yes, about:config
search for headerleft, headerright, footerleft  and footerright and remove the 
values (&T, &U, &PT, &D respectively)




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Re: packagekit problem on F10

[Richard Hughes]

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 09:24 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> I don't know aabout the F10 versions of thewse PakageKit rpms but as I
> keep pointing out the F9 versions cannot be installed due to missing
> dependencies. Is there any help out there for us F9 people?

I pushed an update yesterday to stable, so should be on your mirror
today.

Richard.


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Second try: Clarification of statement about stateless sytem]

[Aaron Konstam]

I tried once and got no response so I am trying again. It is strange
that people understand all such obscure things but can't explain one of
the many gobbledygook statements made in the release notes.

In section 2.2.6 of the F10 release notes is the following statement:

Support for keeping a persistent /home with the rest of the system
stateless has been added for Fedora 10.

I don't understand that statement? Could someone explain it, especially
the meaning of the words persistent and stateless in that context.
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No gdb?

[Anne Wilson]

I've just been told

A Fatal Error Occurred
The application KDE Daemon (kded4) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV).

It went on to say that it couldn't create a bug report, as gdb is not 
installed.  Shouldn't that be installed by default?

Anne


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Re: Fedora 10 ypbind error

[Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve]

> > Interesting. I wonder why it doesn't work for me with NetworkManager 
> > running.
> > We have an unusual network mask: 255.255.252.0
> > The NIS server + backup are in xxx.xxx.194.xxx while the client is in
> > xxx.xxx.192.xxx.
> > Static IP.
>
> I use dhcp, using "quasi-static IPs" (fixed IP<->mac address mapping) on
> my dhcp server.

In my case the IP is configured via
/etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth0
using the IPADDR variable.
BTW: I used the graphical tool to enter the information, but it made
a mess of the netmask (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=475419).
I corrected this by editing the ifcfg-eth0 file directly.

> > Other than that I didn't really do much to configure the machine.
> 
> Wild guess: How does your /etc/yp.conf look like?

I added two lines at the end (these are the only non-comment lines):

domain  server xxx.xxx.gov
domain  server xxx.xxx.gov

> Do you have NISDOMAIN set in /etc/sysconfig/network?

Yes, that's the one line I added to that file:

NISDOMAIN=

I.e. it looks just like your file.

> On my machines, which are using NetworkMangler,
> /etc/yp.conf is the default yp.conf (== everything commented out ==
> effectively empty), but NISDOMAIN is set in /etc/sysconfig/network

OK, that's different, but I don't want to experiment anymore now that it
is working. I don't need NetworkManager. The machine is part of a
cluster and never moved around (I gather NetworkManager helps if you
move between networks a lot.)

Ralf

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Confusion on SCSI machine after preupgrade

[Timothy Murphy]

After finally getting preupgrade to work on my SCSI machine
(after modifying initrd* according to
)
the machine appears to be confused about the 3 disks on the machine.
The SCSI disks which were sda and sdb have become sdb and sdc
while an IDE disk (used for backup) has become sda.

These changes do not seem to be reflected in /boot/grub/devices.map
which has not changed, seeing sda and hd0 and sdb as hd1.
Sdc is not mentioned.
As far as I can see, this conflicts with the output of blkid .

Everything works fine, presumably because the UUIDs are used.

But all this made me wonder where exactly the disks are named
sda, sdb, etc?

Also, how can I tell on which disk's MBR the bootloader is installed?





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Re: Looks gnome-packagekit dependency is broken

[Richard Hughes]

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 10:04 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Well here is my experience:
> rpm -i PackageKit-0.3.12-1.fc9.i386.rpm \
> gnome-packagekit-0.3.12-3.fc9.i386.rpm

PackageKit has many sub packages. You want to download them all, and
then install with -Fvh

Richard.


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Re: Contributions

[Rick Stevens]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Dave Stevens wrote:


And on that note, do you see any substantial contributions coming from 
academics? 


I don't see much of code but there are a number of people with a 
background in Academics one way or the other, contributing. Usually, on 
their own.


They have salaries too even if they aren't commercial orgs,
likewise non-profit orgs and gov't. Didn't DHS contribute scalpel and 
foremost? didn't yum come from Duke?


Seth Vidal used to work as a sys admin in Duke and wrote yum to help 
automate more of his work. I don't know if I would consider that a Duke 
contribution necessarily but Duke has helped out in a number of other 
substantial ways. Hardware and bandwidth for some of the Fedora 
infrastructure systems for quite sometime for instance.


http://fedoraproject.org/sponsors


Let us also not forget that Larry Wall worked for the Naval Observatory
when he gave birth to Perl.  In some respects, I wish he hadn't (most
Perl code I've seen is about as spaghettish as Dartmouth BASIC).
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RE: Volgroup00 not found

[Braden McDaniel]

Quoting "Joseph L. Casale" :


After installing F10 and rebooting, I get "Volgroup00 not found".

I installed F10 over an existing Fedora installation. (I did not
perform an upgrade.) I can boot to rescue mode and things seem to be
mounted okay under /mnt/sysimage. What can I do to fix this?


Bad initrd maybe? What storage controller are you using? You might boot
to the rescue disc and regenerate it adding a --with={module_name}...


It's a 3ware 9550SXU-4LP.

What module name do I need?

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Re: [ot] disk drive vs. thermodynamics

[Rick Stevens]

Ed Greshko wrote:

Neal Becker wrote:

Have you ever noticed the close relation between disk drives and 2nd law of 
thermodynamics?

On a disk, the total number of bad blocks can only increase over time.

  

The same law applies to age spots.


Or hair growing in appropriate places (like your ears) instead of the
top of your head.

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Amarok not playing music

[Vinu Moses]

Hello,

I'm unable to get Amarok to work with my local user login. When I try to play a 
track with amarok started from a console, I get the following error:

QString::arg: Argument missing: Amarok - No track playing., 0:00
QString::arg: Argument missing: Amarok - No track playing., 0:00
QString::arg: Argument missing: Amarok - No track playing., 0:00
amarok(2257)/phonon (xine backend) Phonon::Xine::ByteStream::seekBuffer: xine 
is asking to seek behind the end of the data stream

I assume that this is due to some configuration error somewhere, amarok works 
fine when I login to another local user account on the same PC.

I tried deleting the amarok config files, namely
..kde/share/config/amarok*
..kde/share/apps/amarok/*
and restarted amarok to regenerate fresh configuration files but the errors 
still persist and no music plays with amarok (from my account - it works fine 
when I login to another user account).

I tried upgrading amarok to the latest version provided by updates-testing, 
namely amarok-2.0-2.fc10.i386, the error still persists.

I'd be grateful if someone could pinpoint the erroneous configuration file in 
my login account that needs to be fixed to get amarok working once again..

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
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OT: your desktop on a stick

[Anne Wilson]

Much has been said about the ability for a linux distro to be carried around 
on a usb stick, making any computer into your familiar desktop.  Does anyone 
actually do this?

I ask because I installed F9 and Mandriva 2008 onto sticks for tests with my 
EeePC.  Today I put the Mandriva stick into the Acer netbook, and watched the 
messages scroll on, as it detected and set up the webcam, then the mouse, then 
I got to
"Marking TSC unstable due to: TSC halts in idle
Time: hpet clocksource has been installed.

Then a loonng pause, after which

Wait timeout.  Will continue in the background. [FAILED}
Non-volatile memory driver v1.2

and it has been sitting there for 15 minutes.

I confess I have always wondered about such hardware changes.  If this is 
typical, then this is another dream that is far from reality :-(

Just to satisfy my curiosity, I'll try the F9 stick.  I won't bother reporting 
back if the result is very similar.

Anne


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Re: grub boot fails - sees wrong fs type

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Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

> You can try rebuilding the initrd, and
> see if that fixes the problem. If I remember correctly, the initrd
> has its own fstab, and it probably has the wrong filesystem type in it.

mikkel,

thanks for replying.

and correcting my thinking. will reread about files in '/boot'.

currently have a torrent running for f10.

will run rebuild after f10 is finished.

later.


peace out.

tc,hago.

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xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-61 broken

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

It looks like the latest update to the xorg ATI drivers
(xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-61) broke rendering on my laptop.  Xorg claims
the graphics chip is:

   ATI Technologies Inc Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE) rev 0

   RADEON DRM CS failure - corruptions/glitches may occur -22 bufmgr:
 last submission : r:3456 vs g:525332480 w:478720 vs v:49574700

The screen has a fine black and white lined pattern on it.  This isn't
a good week for Fedora.

So how does one back out this update?  A quick glance at the yum man
page doesn't appear to show any simple "revert" or "undo" command.

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Re: OT: your desktop on a stick

[Frank Murphy]

Anne Wilson wrote:
> Much has been said about the ability for a linux distro to be carried around 
> on a usb stick, making any computer into your familiar desktop.  Does anyone 
> actually do this?
> 
> 

I have F9 on a 4gb usb stick. (not-live installed to)
As long as the Box is usb-bootable there's no problem so far.
Have used it at school and home.

FRank

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Re: Second try: Clarification of statement about stateless sytem]

[Rick Stevens]

Aaron Konstam wrote:

I tried once and got no response so I am trying again. It is strange
that people understand all such obscure things but can't explain one of
the many gobbledygook statements made in the release notes.

In section 2.2.6 of the F10 release notes is the following statement:

Support for keeping a persistent /home with the rest of the system
stateless has been added for Fedora 10.

I don't understand that statement? Could someone explain it, especially
the meaning of the words persistent and stateless in that context.


It means that you can put your /home directory on a USB stick, which
allows you to run various LiveCD versions and they'll use the /home on
the USB stick rather than creating a /home in the ramdisk as LiveCD 
normally does.


"stateless system" in this context means that you're running off
different LiveCD environments (not one on real media), "persistent
/home" means that /home is on real media and is consistent regardless of
the OS being run.

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Re: OT: your desktop on a stick

[Knute Johnson]

Frank Murphy wrote:

Anne Wilson wrote:
Much has been said about the ability for a linux distro to be carried around 
on a usb stick, making any computer into your familiar desktop.  Does anyone 
actually do this?





I have F9 on a 4gb usb stick. (not-live installed to)
As long as the Box is usb-bootable there's no problem so far.
Have used it at school and home.

FRank



I tried several times to load F9 on a 4GB stick but it ran out of space 
and wouldn't load.  Did you do anything other than just run the install?


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Re: xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-61 broken

[Joshua C.]

2008/12/12 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht :
>
> It looks like the latest update to the xorg ATI drivers
> (xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-61) broke rendering on my laptop.  Xorg claims
> the graphics chip is:
>
>   ATI Technologies Inc Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE) rev 0
>
>   RADEON DRM CS failure - corruptions/glitches may occur -22 bufmgr:
> last submission : r:3456 vs g:525332480 w:478720 vs v:49574700
>
> The screen has a fine black and white lined pattern on it.  This isn't
> a good week for Fedora.
>
> So how does one back out this update?  A quick glance at the yum man
> page doesn't appear to show any simple "revert" or "undo" command.
>
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I get the same here. Bugzilla?

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Re: Second try: Clarification of statement about stateless sytem]

[john wendel]

Aaron Konstam wrote:

I tried once and got no response so I am trying again. It is strange
that people understand all such obscure things but can't explain one of
the many gobbledygook statements made in the release notes.

In section 2.2.6 of the F10 release notes is the following statement:

Support for keeping a persistent /home with the rest of the system
stateless has been added for Fedora 10.

I don't understand that statement? Could someone explain it, especially
the meaning of the words persistent and stateless in that context.
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My (possibly confused) understanding,

Stateless: After installation, the system will run without modifying any 
 files. It could be installed on a CD-ROM or other read only storage.


Persistent /home: /home can be installed on writable storage (in 
combination with a read-only /).


All this is for a live-cd that has a writable /home.

Regards,

John

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Re: No gdb?

[Rick Stevens]

Anne Wilson wrote:

I've just been told

A Fatal Error Occurred
The application KDE Daemon (kded4) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV).

It went on to say that it couldn't create a bug report, as gdb is not 
installed.  Shouldn't that be installed by default?


It is if you install the "Software Development" group of apps.  If
you're a desktop user and not a developer you probably don't need gdb
in most cases.  gdb isn't huge (~3.6MB), so yeah, it could be included
but it's not.
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Re: OT: your desktop on a stick

[Frank Murphy]

Knute Johnson wrote:
>
> 
> I tried several times to load F9 on a 4GB stick but it ran out of space
> and wouldn't load.  Did you do anything other than just run the install?

I just ran the install, but had another usb-stick (4) marked as sswap
during the install

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Re: xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-61 broken

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

"Joshua C."  writes:
> 2008/12/12 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht :
>>   RADEON DRM CS failure - corruptions/glitches may occur -22 bufmgr:
>> last submission : r:3456 vs g:525332480 w:478720 vs v:49574700
> I get the same here. Bugzilla?

Looks like someone beat me to it.  This seems to be a kernel issue,
not ATI driver.  Booting the older kernel fixed the problem for me
too.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476202

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Re: xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-61 broken

[Joshua C.]

2008/12/12 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht :
>
> "Joshua C."  writes:
>> 2008/12/12 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht :
>>>   RADEON DRM CS failure - corruptions/glitches may occur -22 bufmgr:
>>> last submission : r:3456 vs g:525332480 w:478720 vs v:49574700
>> I get the same here. Bugzilla?
>
> Looks like someone beat me to it.  This seems to be a kernel issue,
> not ATI driver.  Booting the older kernel fixed the problem for me
> too.
>
>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476202
>
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It is something with the modesetting in the kernel. I Think the bug
goes back to 2.6.27.7-132 but I have to check it.

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Re: No gdb?

[Chris Snook]

Anne Wilson wrote:

I've just been told

A Fatal Error Occurred
The application KDE Daemon (kded4) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV).

It went on to say that it couldn't create a bug report, as gdb is not 
installed.  Shouldn't that be installed by default?


Anne



Feel free to file a bug to get gdb added to the KDE package group, enabled by 
default, but please don't make it a dependency.  Debuggers, especially ones that 
automatically attach to apps the user can cause to crash, are considered a 
security risk in certain environments.


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Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

[Joshua C.]

2008/12/12 Kevin Kofler :
> Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>> That's a question I don't have an answer for.  Epoch could have been
>> bumped to handle the version downgrade for a reversion.  I think this
>> was the first mention of reverting the dbus update that I have seen in
>> discussion.
>
> Actually I already suggested it. It could have been done without an Epoch
> bump, by pushing an 1.2.6-2 build with just the security policy change
> reverted using a patch.
>
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Does the maintainer read this list?  He still works on it (in koji)
but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his broken
"update"

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Package update problem and solutions

[Paul W. Frields]

Hello Fedora community,

Just wanted to make sure that fedora-list subscribers saw this
announcement, concerning the update breakage that has caused a slew of
problems in things like PackageKit:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-December/msg00012.html

Almost all mirrors should be up to date as of this morning, and
carrying the fixes for this problem.  Again, sorry for this annoyance
-- refer to the announcement for details and the steps to solve the
problem if you've been affected.

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Re: Second try: Clarification of statement about stateless sytem]

[Les Mikesell]

Aaron Konstam wrote:

I tried once and got no response so I am trying again. It is strange
that people understand all such obscure things but can't explain one of
the many gobbledygook statements made in the release notes.

In section 2.2.6 of the F10 release notes is the following statement:

Support for keeping a persistent /home with the rest of the system
stateless has been added for Fedora 10.

I don't understand that statement? Could someone explain it, especially
the meaning of the words persistent and stateless in that context.


Since nobody else is answering, I'll take a guess...  Stateless should 
mean that the OS could be installed/updated on the fly during bootup, 
whether done as a PXE boot into RAM or copied/cached on the local hard 
disk. There once was a 'stateless' linux project but I'm not sure if 
this is a specific reference or if anyone is still working on that. 
Anyway, the idea is that you can have a group of client computers with 
no maintenance or installation for the OS but the /home directories are 
saved across reboots, either on a local drive or nfs-mounted from a server.


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Re: No gdb?

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 12 December 2008 17:22:03 Rick Stevens wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > I've just been told
> >
> > A Fatal Error Occurred
> > The application KDE Daemon (kded4) crashed and caused the signal 11
> > (SIGSEGV).
> >
> > It went on to say that it couldn't create a bug report, as gdb is not
> > installed.  Shouldn't that be installed by default?
>
> It is if you install the "Software Development" group of apps.  If
> you're a desktop user and not a developer you probably don't need gdb
> in most cases.  gdb isn't huge (~3.6MB), so yeah, it could be included
> but it's not.
> 
I'm not a developer, but if that package is needed to create crash reports I 
really think that it should be part of the default install.

Anne


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Re: No gdb?

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 12 December 2008 17:31:33 Chris Snook wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > I've just been told
> >
> > A Fatal Error Occurred
> > The application KDE Daemon (kded4) crashed and caused the signal 11
> > (SIGSEGV).
> >
> > It went on to say that it couldn't create a bug report, as gdb is not
> > installed.  Shouldn't that be installed by default?
> >
> > Anne
>
> Feel free to file a bug to get gdb added to the KDE package group, enabled
> by default, but please don't make it a dependency.  Debuggers, especially
> ones that automatically attach to apps the user can cause to crash, are
> considered a security risk in certain environments.
>
One question - is this a packaging report, i.e. Fedora, or a KDE issue?  I 
don't want to report it to the wrong place.

Anne


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Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

[Jeff Spaleta]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C.  wrote:
> Does the maintainer read this list?  He still works on it (in koji)
> but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his broken
> "update"

He's aware.. he's apologized publicly in the -devel-list.

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Re: No gdb?

[Linuxguy123]

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 12:31 -0500, Chris Snook wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > I've just been told
> > 
> > A Fatal Error Occurred
> > The application KDE Daemon (kded4) crashed and caused the signal 11 
> > (SIGSEGV).
> > 
> > It went on to say that it couldn't create a bug report, as gdb is not 
> > installed.  Shouldn't that be installed by default?
> > 
> > Anne
> > 
> 
> Feel free to file a bug to get gdb added to the KDE package group, enabled by 
> default, but please don't make it a dependency.  Debuggers, especially ones 
> that 
> automatically attach to apps the user can cause to crash, are considered a 
> security risk in certain environments.


I agree with Anne on this.  Especially on the testing versions.

Which does Fedora get more complaints about ?  Software stability or
software security ?   Stability by FAR.  gdb should be installed by
default, especially on testing releases.

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Re: No gdb?

[dexter]

2008/12/12 Linuxguy123 :
> On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 12:31 -0500, Chris Snook wrote:
>> Anne Wilson wrote:
>> > I've just been told
>> >
>> > A Fatal Error Occurred
>> > The application KDE Daemon (kded4) crashed and caused the signal 11 
>> > (SIGSEGV).
>> >
>> > It went on to say that it couldn't create a bug report, as gdb is not
>> > installed.  Shouldn't that be installed by default?
>> >
>> > Anne
>> >
>>
>> Feel free to file a bug to get gdb added to the KDE package group, enabled by
>> default, but please don't make it a dependency.  Debuggers, especially ones 
>> that
>> automatically attach to apps the user can cause to crash, are considered a
>> security risk in certain environments.
>
>
> I agree with Anne on this.  Especially on the testing versions.
>
> Which does Fedora get more complaints about ?  Software stability or
> software security ?   Stability by FAR.  gdb should be installed by
> default, especially on testing releases.

gdb without *debuginfo* is also useless to a bug report and they get
big pretty quick so I say no gdb for normal folk.


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Re: OT: your desktop on a stick

[Phil Meyer]

Anne Wilson wrote:
Much has been said about the ability for a linux distro to be carried around 
on a usb stick, making any computer into your familiar desktop.  Does anyone 
actually do this?


I ask because I installed F9 and Mandriva 2008 onto sticks for tests with my 
EeePC.  Today I put the Mandriva stick into the Acer netbook, and watched the 
messages scroll on, as it detected and set up the webcam, then the mouse, then 
I got to

"Marking TSC unstable due to: TSC halts in idle
Time: hpet clocksource has been installed.

Then a loonng pause, after which

Wait timeout.  Will continue in the background. [FAILED}
Non-volatile memory driver v1.2

and it has been sitting there for 15 minutes.

I confess I have always wondered about such hardware changes.  If this is 
typical, then this is another dream that is far from reality :-(


Just to satisfy my curiosity, I'll try the F9 stick.  I won't bother reporting 
back if the result is very similar.


Anne
  


Yes, done this a lot.

Current best method is to roll a livecd will my favorite apps, a package 
containing my login (adds me to sudoers as well).


Then convert the iso to a usb bootable livecd on a stick.  During this, 
I add a system overlay, and a /home overlay.


My current thumb drive is a 64GB DataTraveler.

It has two partitions.  The first is 20GB, and the remainder is in the 
other.


Both partitions are formatted as ext3, thus allowing overlays greater 
than 2GB and also allowing me to use rsync to keep my music up to date 
on the larger slice.

--home-size-mb
here is the command I used to make the first partition bootable:

# /usr/bin/livecd-iso-to-disk --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 4000 
--home-size-mb 8000 --unencrypted-home Fedora_Developer.iso /dev/sdb1


Fedora_Developer.iso is my custom roll of F10-x86_64.

I made the label of the second partition "music" so it would always 
mount as media/music.


Next, I booted from the thumb drive in text mode on my primary machine 
and logged into the console as root.


# mount /dev/sda3 /mnt
   My home is on there.

# cd /mnt/home/pmeyer

# cp -a .ssh .tcshrc .login .mozilla .thunderbird .g* /home/pmeyer
   As an example, but very close to actual -- YMWV

# ln -s /media/music .

# init 0

Remove the thumb drive.  Its all done! (except I rsynced my music 
collection to the second partition)


Now I can plug the thumb drive into virtually any system and have all my 
favorite stuff just how I like it!.  The only differences between 
systems are video.


The difference between running a live USB vs an installed USB are many. 

1. Live CDs by nature have A LOT more modules installed into the 
initrd.img, thus allowing them to run on a variety of hardware.


2. Hardware setting are not saved.

3. Space!  About 1/3 in my experience.

The advent of persistent storage for the OS and for /home mean that you 
can make changes to startup scripts, config files, and whatnot, and your 
changes are preserved over reboots.  All the benefits of Live CDs, with 
persistent storage!  It can't be beat.


The best part of all, is that its installable to disk, as well.  What 
else could you ask for? :)



Good Luck!


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Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C.  wrote:
> > Does the maintainer read this list?  He still works on it (in
> > koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his
> > broken "update"
>
> He's aware.. he's apologized publicly in the -devel-list.
>
> -jef

  in a world where people are simply used to windows crashing and
burning on a regular basis, it's amusing to see the consternation in
the linux community when one bad package escapes into the wild.

  man, some of you folks have gotten spoiled.

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Re: OT: your desktop on a stick

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 12 December 2008 17:14:35 Frank Murphy wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Much has been said about the ability for a linux distro to be carried
> > around on a usb stick, making any computer into your familiar desktop. 
> > Does anyone actually do this?
>
> I have F9 on a 4gb usb stick. (not-live installed to)
> As long as the Box is usb-bootable there's no problem so far.
> Have used it at school and home.
>
My F9 was a live install - I'll not do it that way again, as it introduces 
complications better avoided, IMO.  However, watching F9 attempt to run I saw 
some very long pauses as before, and maybe some clue as to the problem.  I saw 
that it said it was running an eeepc kernel.  Maybe both F9 and Mandriva were 
set up with kernels specific to the eeepc?

F9 did actually manage to bring up a desktop eventually, so I thought I would 
try updating, to get a newer kernel.  It ran into the problem of the repos and 
signatures being changed.  No matter.  I'll attach a usb drive and do a clean 
install when I have time.  Maybe I'll even try installing onto the stick from 
this laptop, to see whether that can handle the change in hardware.

Hmmm

Anne


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Re: OT: your desktop on a stick

[Phil Meyer]

Phil Meyer wrote:

Anne Wilson wrote:
Much has been said about the ability for a linux distro to be carried 
around on a usb stick, making any computer into your familiar 
desktop.  Does anyone actually do this?


I ask because I installed F9 and Mandriva 2008 onto sticks for tests 
with my EeePC.  Today I put the Mandriva stick into the Acer netbook, 
and watched the messages scroll on, as it detected and set up the 
webcam, then the mouse, then I got to

"Marking TSC unstable due to: TSC halts in idle
Time: hpet clocksource has been installed.

Then a loonng pause, after which

Wait timeout.  Will continue in the background. [FAILED}
Non-volatile memory driver v1.2

and it has been sitting there for 15 minutes.

I confess I have always wondered about such hardware changes.  If 
this is typical, then this is another dream that is far from reality :-(


Just to satisfy my curiosity, I'll try the F9 stick.  I won't bother 
reporting back if the result is very similar.


Anne
  


Yes, done this a lot.

Current best method is to roll a livecd will my favorite apps, a 
package containing my login (adds me to sudoers as well).

with my favorite apps


Then convert the iso to a usb bootable livecd on a stick.  During 
this, I add a system overlay, and a /home overlay.


My current thumb drive is a 64GB DataTraveler.

It has two partitions.  The first is 20GB, and the remainder is in the 
other.


Both partitions are formatted as ext3, thus allowing overlays greater 
than 2GB and 
also allowing me to use rsync to keep my music up to date on the 
larger slice.



--home-size-mb

cut and paste error!


here is the command I used to make the first partition bootable:

# /usr/bin/livecd-iso-to-disk --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 4000 
--home-size-mb 8000 --unencrypted-home Fedora_Developer.iso /dev/sdb1


Fedora_Developer.iso is my custom roll of F10-x86_64.

I made the label of the second partition "music" so it would always 
mount as media/music.


Next, I booted from the thumb drive in text mode on my primary machine 
and logged into the console as root.


# mount /dev/sda3 /mnt
   My home is on there.

# cd /mnt/home/pmeyer

# cp -a .ssh .tcshrc .login .mozilla .thunderbird .g* /home/pmeyer
   As an example, but very close to actual -- YMWV

# ln -s /media/music .

# init 0

Remove the thumb drive.  Its all done! (except I rsynced my music 
collection to the second partition)


Now I can plug the thumb drive into virtually any system and have all 
my favorite stuff just how I like it!.  The only differences between 
systems are video.


The difference between running a live USB vs an installed USB are many.
1. Live CDs by nature have A LOT more modules installed into the 
initrd.img, thus allowing them to run on a variety of hardware.


2. Hardware setting are not saved.

3. Space!  About 1/3 in my experience.

The advent of persistent storage for the OS and for /home mean that 
you can make changes to startup scripts, config files, and whatnot, 
and your changes are preserved over reboots.  All the benefits of Live 
CDs, with persistent storage!  It can't be beat.


The best part of all, is that its installable to disk, as well.  What 
else could you ask for? :)



Good Luck!




I have a bad cold today and my brain is even less functional than usual! :(

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Re: OT: your desktop on a stick

[Linuxguy123]

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 10:53 -0700, Phil Meyer wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Much has been said about the ability for a linux distro to be carried 
> > around 
> > on a usb stick, making any computer into your familiar desktop.  Does 
> > anyone 
> > actually do this?
> >
> > I ask because I installed F9 and Mandriva 2008 onto sticks for tests with 
> > my 
> > EeePC.  Today I put the Mandriva stick into the Acer netbook, and watched 
> > the 
> > messages scroll on, as it detected and set up the webcam, then the mouse, 
> > then 
> > I got to
> > "Marking TSC unstable due to: TSC halts in idle
> > Time: hpet clocksource has been installed.
> >
> > Then a loonng pause, after which
> >
> > Wait timeout.  Will continue in the background. [FAILED}
> > Non-volatile memory driver v1.2
> >
> > and it has been sitting there for 15 minutes.
> >
> > I confess I have always wondered about such hardware changes.  If this is 
> > typical, then this is another dream that is far from reality :-(
> >
> > Just to satisfy my curiosity, I'll try the F9 stick.  I won't bother 
> > reporting 
> > back if the result is very similar.
> >
> > Anne
> >   
> 
> Yes, done this a lot.
> 
> Current best method is to roll a livecd will my favorite apps, a package 
> containing my login (adds me to sudoers as well).
> 
> Then convert the iso to a usb bootable livecd on a stick.  During this, 
> I add a system overlay, and a /home overlay.
> 
> My current thumb drive is a 64GB DataTraveler.
> 
> It has two partitions.  The first is 20GB, and the remainder is in the 
> other.
> 
> Both partitions are formatted as ext3, thus allowing overlays greater 
> than 2GB and also allowing me to use rsync to keep my music up to date 
> on the larger slice.
> --home-size-mb
> here is the command I used to make the first partition bootable:
> 
> # /usr/bin/livecd-iso-to-disk --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 4000 
> --home-size-mb 8000 --unencrypted-home Fedora_Developer.iso /dev/sdb1
> 
> Fedora_Developer.iso is my custom roll of F10-x86_64.
> 
> I made the label of the second partition "music" so it would always 
> mount as media/music.
> 
> Next, I booted from the thumb drive in text mode on my primary machine 
> and logged into the console as root.
> 
> # mount /dev/sda3 /mnt
> My home is on there.
> 
> # cd /mnt/home/pmeyer
> 
> # cp -a .ssh .tcshrc .login .mozilla .thunderbird .g* /home/pmeyer
> As an example, but very close to actual -- YMWV
> 
> # ln -s /media/music .
> 
> # init 0
> 
> Remove the thumb drive.  Its all done! (except I rsynced my music 
> collection to the second partition)
> 
> Now I can plug the thumb drive into virtually any system and have all my 
> favorite stuff just how I like it!.  The only differences between 
> systems are video.
> 
> The difference between running a live USB vs an installed USB are many. 
> 
> 1. Live CDs by nature have A LOT more modules installed into the 
> initrd.img, thus allowing them to run on a variety of hardware.
> 
> 2. Hardware setting are not saved.
> 
> 3. Space!  About 1/3 in my experience.
> 
> The advent of persistent storage for the OS and for /home mean that you 
> can make changes to startup scripts, config files, and whatnot, and your 
> changes are preserved over reboots.  All the benefits of Live CDs, with 
> persistent storage!  It can't be beat.
> 
> The best part of all, is that its installable to disk, as well.  What 
> else could you ask for? :)


Great post.  Thanks for sharing.

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Re: infrastructure modest proposal

[Les Mikesell]

Kevin Martin wrote:


FWIW, the 3 layer model is used to great effect in everyday business. 
First, there's "testing" where the developers get to play to their
hearts content and, hopefully, get a product to "production" level. 
Then the product goes to "qa" or "qc" where it "burns in" for awhile

with other products that may or may not "play nice" with it (aren't
double quotes wonderous little things!).  If they don't "play nice"
together then it goes back to testing for more work and then back to
qa/qc until it all works as planned.  Then, and only then, does it move
to production.  I understand that Fedora is a bunch of folks doing the
work on a volunteer basis but that just makes the idea of a qa
environment that much more useful.


Someone is probably going to claim that rawhide/updates-testing/updates 
provides this 3 layer model for fedora.  It doesn't, because the 
packages roll independently. No one can take qa seriously if it doesn't 
test the exact configurations that are going to exist in production, 
which is impossible with this structure.  If the moves to/from 
updates-testing were batched in all-or-nothing updates, or another layer 
of updates-qa was added for this batch move process, it might actually 
become possible to do meaningful tests with packages in their proposed 
production context.


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Re: No gdb?

[Linuxguy123]

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 17:52 +, dexter wrote:
> 2008/12/12 Linuxguy123 :
> > On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 12:31 -0500, Chris Snook wrote:
> >> Anne Wilson wrote:
> >> > I've just been told
> >> >
> >> > A Fatal Error Occurred
> >> > The application KDE Daemon (kded4) crashed and caused the signal 11 
> >> > (SIGSEGV).
> >> >
> >> > It went on to say that it couldn't create a bug report, as gdb is not
> >> > installed.  Shouldn't that be installed by default?
> >> >
> >> > Anne
> >> >
> >>
> >> Feel free to file a bug to get gdb added to the KDE package group, enabled 
> >> by
> >> default, but please don't make it a dependency.  Debuggers, especially 
> >> ones that
> >> automatically attach to apps the user can cause to crash, are considered a
> >> security risk in certain environments.
> >
> >
> > I agree with Anne on this.  Especially on the testing versions.
> >
> > Which does Fedora get more complaints about ?  Software stability or
> > software security ?   Stability by FAR.  gdb should be installed by
> > default, especially on testing releases.
> 
> gdb without *debuginfo* is also useless to a bug report and they get
> big pretty quick so I say no gdb for normal folk.

How big is big ?  Hard drives are cheap these days, right ?  

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Re: f10 gdm user hide

[Frank Cox]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:28:45 -0600
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

> I don't know how to sort them - it looks like they are by uid. But
> to select what users are displayed, try System --> Administration
> --> Login Window --> Users.

I don't have that.  My System-Administration menu goes right from "Logical
volume management" to "Network".  What program does System-Administration-Login
Window-Users run?

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Ethernet Device.

[Reg Clemens]

My motherboard has a 100MHz Ethernet device built in, but my router and
other machines are all 1GHz.  I bought an Intel PLWA839 1GHz Ethernet Card to 
get the higher transfer rates between this machine and the rest.

On booting the system up on f9 the device shows as eth1.
HOWEVER, when booting up fc6 (there are multiple OS on multiple partitions
of the disk) it shows as:


__tmp438149240 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1B:21:2D:30:D8  
  BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)

Now thats an ugly name.
Any way to get it to use eth1 here too?
I assume that it is just that some info is missing in a table somewhere.

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Re: OT: your desktop on a stick

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 12 December 2008 17:53:33 Phil Meyer wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Much has been said about the ability for a linux distro to be carried
> > around on a usb stick, making any computer into your familiar desktop. 
> > Does anyone actually do this?
> >

>
> Yes, done this a lot.
>
> Current best method is to roll a livecd will my favorite apps, a package
> containing my login (adds me to sudoers as well).
>
> Then convert the iso to a usb bootable livecd on a stick.  During this,
> I add a system overlay, and a /home overlay.
>
> My current thumb drive is a 64GB DataTraveler.
>

> The best part of all, is that its installable to disk, as well.  What
> else could you ask for? :)
>
Wow! that sounds great :-)  However, mine is 8GB only.

Anne


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Re: OT: your desktop on a stick

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Anne Wilson wrote:
> Much has been said about the ability for a linux distro to be carried around 
> on a usb stick, making any computer into your familiar desktop.  Does anyone 
> actually do this?
> 
> I ask because I installed F9 and Mandriva 2008 onto sticks for tests with my 
> EeePC.  Today I put the Mandriva stick into the Acer netbook, and watched the 
> messages scroll on, as it detected and set up the webcam, then the mouse, 
> then 
> I got to
> "Marking TSC unstable due to: TSC halts in idle
> Time: hpet clocksource has been installed.
> 
> Then a loonng pause, after which
> 
> Wait timeout.  Will continue in the background. [FAILED}
> Non-volatile memory driver v1.2
> 
> and it has been sitting there for 15 minutes.
> 
> I confess I have always wondered about such hardware changes.  If this is 
> typical, then this is another dream that is far from reality :-(
> 
> Just to satisfy my curiosity, I'll try the F9 stick.  I won't bother 
> reporting 
> back if the result is very similar.
> 
> Anne
> 
I have used the Live CD installed to a memory stick with persistent
overlay, and extra storage. I have also used a standard install to a
USB hard drive. I have had few problems when booting on other
systems. The Live CD works almost everywhere. The full install works
as long as you have a compatible video driver for X.

You can run into the same problems you run into booting on some
machines, where you have to add extra parameters to the kernel boot
line, but you don't run into that too often.

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Re: No gdb?

[dexter]

2008/12/12 Linuxguy123 :
>>
>> gdb without *debuginfo* is also useless to a bug report and they get
>> big pretty quick so I say no gdb for normal folk.
>
> How big is big ?  Hard drives are cheap these days, right ?

true, but bandwith & media sizes are also a factor.

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Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

[Les Mikesell]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote:


On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C.  wrote:

Does the maintainer read this list?  He still works on it (in
koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his
broken "update"

He's aware.. he's apologized publicly in the -devel-list.




  in a world where people are simply used to windows crashing and
burning on a regular basis, it's amusing to see the consternation in
the linux community when one bad package escapes into the wild.

  man, some of you folks have gotten spoiled.


Sorry to destroy your illusions, but I work with hundreds of windows 
servers that stay up for years with only a few scheduled reboots. 
Before (say) Win2k SP2 you might have been able to make a point about 
this.  Today you can't.


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Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

[Les Mikesell]

Jeff Spaleta wrote:

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C.  wrote:

Does the maintainer read this list?  He still works on it (in koji)
but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his broken
"update"


He's aware.. he's apologized publicly in the -devel-list.



But the individual instance isn't the point.  You do need the ability to 
expedite security updates and mistakes are always possible.


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Re: OT: your desktop on a stick

[Phil Meyer]

Anne Wilson wrote:

On Friday 12 December 2008 17:53:33 Phil Meyer wrote:
  

Anne Wilson wrote:


Much has been said about the ability for a linux distro to be carried
around on a usb stick, making any computer into your familiar desktop. 
Does anyone actually do this?


  


  

Yes, done this a lot.

Current best method is to roll a livecd will my favorite apps, a package
containing my login (adds me to sudoers as well).

Then convert the iso to a usb bootable livecd on a stick.  During this,
I add a system overlay, and a /home overlay.

My current thumb drive is a 64GB DataTraveler.




  

The best part of all, is that its installable to disk, as well.  What
else could you ask for? :)



Wow! that sounds great :-)  However, mine is 8GB only.

Anne
  



8GB is fine, even for my outrageous custom build, which is over 7GB 
unpacked.


-> ls -lh LiveOS
total 3.0G
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7.9G 2008-12-10 14:22 home.img
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root root  20K 2008-12-10 14:19 osmin.img*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.0G 2008-12-10 14:19 
overlay-Fedora-x86_64-9d595a3a-4b1e-40c7-b16d-3da0f21f698e

-r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2.5G 2008-12-10 14:19 squashfs.img*


You can see, that with less agressive overlays, this would easily fit on 
8GB.  The stuff that makes it bootable is only 7.6MB.


If you would like to see the stuff I used to make that livecd, I would 
be happy to share.


Fun!

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Re: infrastructure modest proposal

[Jeff Spaleta]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Kevin Martin  wrote:
> FWIW, the 3 layer model is used to great effect in everyday business.
> First, there's "testing" where the developers get to play to their

3 layers.. without referencing rawhide:
Koji scratch builds:
developers and maintainers have access to binaries in Koji and can do
a number of scratch builds as needed before submitting them to the
updates system for general consumption.  Maintainers can and do list
Koji urls in bug reports to get pre-release feedback from bug
reporters if its warrented, before even moving to updates-testing.


updates-testing:
Where community QA is meant to happen.
How many people have updates-testing enabled? Do you?

updates:
Stable updates which 'typically' have gone through updates-testing and
gotten feedback.


caveat:
Maintainers have the discretion to bypass updates-testing for critical
fixes and security updates. The dbus update was marked as security
update with a valid CVE listing. It was inadvertently pushed to stable
in error bypassing testing.

I'm not sure what sort of policy change could have prevented this and
yet would not have also significantly impacted the speed at which
security updates are made available.  Are you willing to have all
security updates held back for a week in updatest-testing to protect
against what happened with dbus?  I don't think I can justify that as
a policy initiative.

The only thing which is going to help prevent what happened with dbus,
is implementing "enough" mandatory automated testing somewhere in the
process that all packages submitted to stable must go through...even
all security tagged updates. Even automated testing has costs, and if
we have "too much" it will also impact the speed at which security
updates can be delivered.

Are you willing to help implement more automated testing?

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Re: No gdb?

[Linuxguy123]

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 18:03 +, dexter wrote:
> 2008/12/12 Linuxguy123 :
> >>
> >> gdb without *debuginfo* is also useless to a bug report and they get
> >> big pretty quick so I say no gdb for normal folk.
> >
> > How big is big ?  Hard drives are cheap these days, right ?
> 
> true, but bandwith & media sizes are also a factor.

Yes and no... 

Bandwidth: most of us with broadband connections will pay the same gdb
or no.  For Fedora, I understand that server bandwidth might be an
issue, but I think most of Fedora is served via mirrors.

Media sizes: DVDs don't cost a lot more than CDs.   I am VERY excited
about installing on USB sticks.  4GB sticks are pretty affordable. 


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xen and fedora 10

[Bob Patterson Jr]

 Hi,

Has anyone gotten fedora to kick on a xen box as a virtual server.(i'm using
fedora 10, Oracle Virtual Machine(as my virtual host) and cobbler)

Thanks in advance

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Re: FC9 - recent upgrade breaks NFS

[Steve Searle]

Around 05:02am on Friday, December 12, 2008 (UK time), Bill Davidsen scrawled:

> Looks to be a bit different, I'll have to poke a bit before I can offer a 
> decent bug report, but rpc.statd isn't starting, which makes all of my NFS 
> mounts fail. I checked against another system which works, the permissions 
> (-lZ) are the same, so it doesn't appear to be a simple thing like owner, 
> permissions, or attributed.

I have got exactly the same situation, with rpcbind not starting and NFS
mounts failing.  Switiching selinux to permissive has resolved the
problem, however relabelin and switching back to enforcing has returned
the problem.

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Re: Evolution with mapi plugin?

[Robin Laing]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Christopher A. Williams
 wrote:

On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 12:48 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:50:53 +1930
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:




I'm pretty sure Evo is the only game in town if you need Exchange
access (not counting browsers of course). I don't use Exchange so I
could change in a heartbeat (virtually all my mail is on IMAP servers)
but I still haven't found a MUA that convinces me as much as Evo,
despite its many faults.

BTW, the new beta of Thunderbird 3 is just out. I tried it yesterday.
Very promising IMHO. This could turn out to be the one :-)

poc



Not fully true.

I tried Evolution when we moved to Exchange.  We don't have imap or pop 
access so it was the only option.  Of course filtering took forever and 
no access to the exchange server filtering via evolution.


I found this.

http://www.saunalahti.fi/juhrauti/index.html

fetchExc run from a script allows me to get my mail off the exchange 
server and into my Thunderbird.  :)  :)  :)


I don't use the calender features as most of my co-workers don't like it 
either.


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Re: problem with liberation fonts

[Kevin Kofler]

David Hláčik wrote:
> Well no thanks, this is not a solution. I like them Medium hinted as they
> are.

They would still be, but with the hinting computed by the autohinter rather
than read from the bytecode (which is incorrect). (Freetype-freeworld does
not disable the autohinter and it is easily possible to force its use for
specific fonts with fontconfig configuration files.)

Still, I'd rather like the bytecode fixed than hacking freetype-freeworld to
ignore it.

> Kevin, are you maintainer of freetype-freeworld?

Yes.

> As you may known, Ubuntu is using patches to cairo and libXft to
> achieve smooth, nice fonts on LCD display - this looks just superb.
> Check out my screenshot at http://www.hlacik.eu/screen2.png .
> 
> I have patched Fedora10 libXft and cairo packages with ubuntu patches
> and have them available in my own repo which is located here
> http://linux.hlacik.eu/

What do the respective upstream projects think of those patches? Do they
refuse to merge them because of patent concerns? And are those patches
binary-compatible? (We definitely don't want to replace the libraries with
binary-incompatible versions.)

Would you be willing to work on libXft-freeworld and cairo-freeworld
packages using the same type of setup as freetype-freeworld (not replacing
the Fedora package, but overriding the shared library) and submit them for
review at RPM Fusion? I'd review them for you (though if you aren't
sponsored in Fedora or RPM Fusion yet, you also need a sponsor).

And are there any other packages Ubuntu is patching? Pango? Qt 4?

Kevin Kofler

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Re: OT: your desktop on a stick

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 12 December 2008 18:11:20 Phil Meyer wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Friday 12 December 2008 17:53:33 Phil Meyer wrote:
> >> Anne Wilson wrote:
> >>> Much has been said about the ability for a linux distro to be carried
> >>> around on a usb stick, making any computer into your familiar desktop.
> >>> Does anyone actually do this?
> >
> > 
> >
> >> Yes, done this a lot.
> >>
> >> Current best method is to roll a livecd will my favorite apps, a package
> >> containing my login (adds me to sudoers as well).
> >>
> >> Then convert the iso to a usb bootable livecd on a stick.  During this,
> >> I add a system overlay, and a /home overlay.
> >>
> >> My current thumb drive is a 64GB DataTraveler.
> >
> > 
> >
> >> The best part of all, is that its installable to disk, as well.  What
> >> else could you ask for? :)
> >
> > Wow! that sounds great :-)  However, mine is 8GB only.
> >
> > Anne
>
> 8GB is fine, even for my outrageous custom build, which is over 7GB
> unpacked.
>
>  -> ls -lh LiveOS
> total 3.0G
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7.9G 2008-12-10 14:22 home.img
> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root  20K 2008-12-10 14:19 osmin.img*
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.0G 2008-12-10 14:19
> overlay-Fedora-x86_64-9d595a3a-4b1e-40c7-b16d-3da0f21f698e
> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2.5G 2008-12-10 14:19 squashfs.img*
>
>
> You can see, that with less agressive overlays, this would easily fit on
> 8GB.  The stuff that makes it bootable is only 7.6MB.
>
> If you would like to see the stuff I used to make that livecd, I would
> be happy to share.
>
> Fun!

Thanks for the offer.  In truth I can't see me having sufficient time to 
devote to this before Christmas, but I'll be marking up your mail, and may 
contact you again on that :-)

Anne


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Re: FC9 - recent upgrade breaks NFS - SElinux issue

[Bill Davidsen]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Michael Cronenworth wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:
I get messages indicating "NFS statd failed" and messsages says it 
can't register. Is this caused by the dbus "fix" or ???


More later, I wasn't planning on taking a drive in an ice storm 
tonight, but I may yet.



No, dbus and nfs are not linked.

Refer to this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448898

You should probably comment on that bug or open a new one.

Looks to be a bit different, I'll have to poke a bit before I can offer 
a decent bug report, but rpc.statd isn't starting, which makes all of my 
NFS mounts fail. I checked against another system which works, the 
permissions (-lZ) are the same, so it doesn't appear to be a simple 
thing like owner, permissions, or attributed.


Another SElinux issue, the rpcbind application is not expected to setgid, so 
SElinux prevents it.


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Re: FC9 - recent upgrade breaks NFS

[Michael Cronenworth]

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: FC9 - recent upgrade breaks NFS
From: Steve Searle 
To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. 


Date: 12/12/2008 12:23 PM



I have got exactly the same situation, with rpcbind not starting and NFS
mounts failing.  Switiching selinux to permissive has resolved the
problem, however relabelin and switching back to enforcing has returned
the problem.


I'd file a bug.

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Re: AES on Fedora Core

[Bill Davidsen]

Karthik Balaguru wrote:


Hi,

I am using 35.206 V7.0.0 3GPP that has 32-Bit Word Oriented listing
as AES_128 for AES CMAC discussed in RFC4493.

It is working fine with RH(Linux version 2.6.9-22.ELsmp 
(bhcomp...@porky.build.redhat.com)) but
with Fedora Core, it is corrupting the stack/local variables & other 
related data.

How is it possible ? Any ideas.

On Analysis, i find that,
AES works & does not affect stack & local variables if we call from the 
main or from an API that inturn calls AES.

main -> AES
main -> API -> AES

But, if we have an AES invokation as below , though it is working, it is 
corrupting the stack & local variables.

main -> API -> API ->AES

Any ideas ?


First idea, tell us which release of Fedora Core, and which kernel...

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Installing the packagekit fix for the "Failed to get TID error"

[David L]

Hey all I know there are a lot of posts about this "Failed to get TID error" 
and I know Fedora has released a fix. I may have missed something but is there 
a trick to getting the fix "PackageKit-03.12-1.fc10.i386.rpm" to install? When 
I try to install I get that same "Failed to get TID error".

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated .

Thanks

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Re: FC9 - recent upgrade breaks NFS

[M A Young]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Steve Searle wrote:


I have got exactly the same situation, with rpcbind not starting and NFS
mounts failing.  Switiching selinux to permissive has resolved the
problem, however relabelin and switching back to enforcing has returned
the problem.


The new rpcbind and the current selinux-policy packages are incompatible. 
I suggest you downgrade rpcbind, or wait until the selinux update appears.


Michael Young

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Re: No gdb?

[Todd Denniston]

Linuxguy123 wrote, On 12/12/2008 01:15 PM:

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 18:03 +, dexter wrote:

2008/12/12 Linuxguy123 :

gdb without *debuginfo* is also useless to a bug report and they get
big pretty quick so I say no gdb for normal folk.

How big is big ?  Hard drives are cheap these days, right ?

true, but bandwith & media sizes are also a factor.


Yes and no... 


Bandwidth: most of us with broadband connections will pay the same gdb
or no.  For Fedora, I understand that server bandwidth might be an
issue, but I think most of Fedora is served via mirrors.

Media sizes: DVDs don't cost a lot more than CDs.   I am VERY excited
about installing on USB sticks.  4GB sticks are pretty affordable. 





I think you missed the point about the *debuginfo*
kernel-2.6.27.7-134.fc10.i586.rpm   08-Dec-2008 14:0719M
kernel-debuginfo-2.6.27.7-134.fc10.i586.rpm 08-Dec-2008 14:19   249M

kdebase-4.1.3-2.fc10.i386.rpm   25-Nov-2008 14:53   5.6M
kdebase-runtime-4.1.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm   25-Nov-2008 14:53   5.7M
kdebase-debuginfo-4.1.3-2.fc10.i386.rpm 25-Nov-2008 14:5327M
kdebase-runtime-debuginfo-4.1.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm 25-Nov-2008 14:5414M

Now how many packages did you install?
how many are giving you trouble that you need to debug them?

I understand the convince thing of having gdb+debuginfo already installed, but 
for folks who are:

a) happy running a system that never gives them a problem
b) just into running their system and will not be bothered to put in a BZ
or
c) are rarely running into problems that would kick an error where 
gdb+debuginfo is useful


having *_ALL_* of the debuginfo's installed is a waste of their machine's hard 
drive and sometimes memory, update bandwidth, and always their time away from 
wesnoth waiting for the download.


What would probably be useful is:
a) have the KDE applet which spit out Anne's "it couldn't create a bug report, 
as gdb is not installed.", get some _more_ intelligence added such that it 
might suggest (on a fedora system)
'please execute as root `yum install gdb kdeThingThatBroke-debuginfo`, so that 
next time this happens we can provide a full bug report.'

[Note, I believe Anne already knew about that, but other folks could benefit.]

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Re: No gdb?

[Kevin Kofler]

Anne Wilson wrote:
> One question - is this a packaging report, i.e. Fedora, or a KDE issue?  I
> don't want to report it to the wrong place.

Packaging (actually "comps", our lists which decide which packages are
mandatory/default/optional for which groups), so it's a Fedora issue.

Still, I'm not convinced installing GDB by default is a good idea, it takes
up a significant place on the live images and the backtraces won't be all
that useful if you don't also install the -debuginfo packages (which
definitely don't fit on the live CD).

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Re: Installing the packagekit fix for the "Failed to get TID error"

[Paul W. Frields]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:42:30PM -0500, David L wrote:
> 
> Hey all I know there are a lot of posts about this "Failed to get
> TID error" and I know Fedora has released a fix. I may have missed
> something but is there a trick to getting the fix
> "PackageKit-03.12-1.fc10.i386.rpm" to install? When I try to install
> I get that same "Failed to get TID error".
> 
> Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated .

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-December/msg00012.html

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Re: OT: your desktop on a stick

[Kevin Kofler]

Knute Johnson wrote:
> I tried several times to load F9 on a 4GB stick but it ran out of space
> and wouldn't load.

I'd suggest using the liveusb-creator with one of the live images, that will
copy the compressed live image to the USB stick and you'll have plenty of
space left for the overlay with additional packages and files. (That said,
updates are going to consume a significant amount of overlay space, it's
the drawback of that way of doing things.)

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Re: FC9 - recent upgrade breaks NFS

[Bill Davidsen]

M A Young wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Steve Searle wrote:


I have got exactly the same situation, with rpcbind not starting and NFS
mounts failing.  Switiching selinux to permissive has resolved the
problem, however relabelin and switching back to enforcing has returned
the problem.


The new rpcbind and the current selinux-policy packages are 
incompatible. I suggest you downgrade rpcbind, or wait until the selinux 
update appears.
 
I try not to be a whiner, but this is about the forth time in a few months that 
someone has released a package without ever testing it on a system with SElinux 
enabled. Some of those may be multiple reports, but at least three required 
policy changes.


I have suggested holding things in updates-testing until some users actually 
test them, there is very little good in having a testing repository if it's just 
a name and not a QA step.


These are not subtle errors, something flat out doesn't work. Perhaps that level 
of QA could be automated. Failure to boot, or enable network, or big warning 
messages in the system logs are pretty visible.


Consider this a suggestion with a slight hint of complaint. ;-)

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Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Robert P. J. Day
 wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C.  wrote:
>> > Does the maintainer read this list?  He still works on it (in
>> > koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his
>> > broken "update"
>>
>> He's aware.. he's apologized publicly in the -devel-list.
>>
>> -jef
>
>  in a world where people are simply used to windows crashing and
> burning on a regular basis, it's amusing to see the consternation in
> the linux community when one bad package escapes into the wild.
>
>  man, some of you folks have gotten spoiled.
>
> rday


I have to admit, not having to do weekly virus+spyware+defrag+updates
does get one lazy.


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Re: OT: your desktop on a stick

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Anne Wilson  wrote:
> On Friday 12 December 2008 17:14:35 Frank Murphy wrote:
>> Anne Wilson wrote:
>> > Much has been said about the ability for a linux distro to be carried
>> > around on a usb stick, making any computer into your familiar desktop.
>> > Does anyone actually do this?
>>
>> I have F9 on a 4gb usb stick. (not-live installed to)
>> As long as the Box is usb-bootable there's no problem so far.
>> Have used it at school and home.
>>
> My F9 was a live install - I'll not do it that way again, as it introduces
> complications better avoided, IMO.  However, watching F9 attempt to run I saw
> some very long pauses as before, and maybe some clue as to the problem.  I saw
> that it said it was running an eeepc kernel.  Maybe both F9 and Mandriva were
> set up with kernels specific to the eeepc?
>
> F9 did actually manage to bring up a desktop eventually, so I thought I would
> try updating, to get a newer kernel.  It ran into the problem of the repos and
> signatures being changed.  No matter.  I'll attach a usb drive and do a clean
> install when I have time.  Maybe I'll even try installing onto the stick from
> this laptop, to see whether that can handle the change in hardware.
>
> Hmmm
>
> Anne


I have only tried this with F10 KDE, and the experience has been
nothing short of amazing. I did have some file corruption at one point
which prompted me to reimage it.


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RE: Volgroup00 not found

[Joseph L. Casale]

>It's a 3ware 9550SXU-4LP.
>
>What module name do I need?

Off the top of my head I dunno, but an lsmod while in rescue
should point you along as you need to be there to get it done
anyway.

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Re: problem with liberation fonts

[David Hláčik]

Hi,

>
> What do the respective upstream projects think of those patches? Do they
> refuse to merge them because of patent concerns? And are those patches
> binary-compatible? (We definitely don't want to replace the libraries with
> binary-incompatible versions.)
>

Yes , they are binary compatible. Author of these patches is actualy
David Turner, author of freetype.
Lot of explanations about patents is available from his mails

http://lists.cairographics.org/archives/cairo-bugs/2007-March/000912.html
http://osnews.com/story/18166/Interview-with-David-Turner-of-Freetype/

> Would you be willing to work on libXft-freeworld and cairo-freeworld
> packages using the same type of setup as freetype-freeworld (not replacing
> the Fedora package, but overriding the shared library) and submit them for
> review at RPM Fusion? I'd review them for you (though if you aren't
> sponsored in Fedora or RPM Fusion yet, you also need a sponsor).

Yes, i would love to. Hopefully we will be able to add them to rpmfusion.

>
> And are there any other packages Ubuntu is patching? Pango? Qt 4?

No, just cairo and libXft.


David

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Re: Volgroup00 not found

[Stephen Berg (Contractor)]

Braden McDaniel wrote:

Quoting "Joseph L. Casale" :


After installing F10 and rebooting, I get "Volgroup00 not found".

I installed F10 over an existing Fedora installation. (I did not
perform an upgrade.) I can boot to rescue mode and things seem to be
mounted okay under /mnt/sysimage. What can I do to fix this?


Bad initrd maybe? What storage controller are you using? You might boot
to the rescue disc and regenerate it adding a --with={module_name}...


It's a 3ware 9550SXU-4LP.

What module name do I need?

Probably 3w_9xxx, that's the module I see running on a system with a 
3Ware 9500S 8 port SATA RAID adapter.


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