Re: BUG in Anaconda, it seems -- more, maybe
On Wed, 21 May 2008 16:14:57 -0400, Todd Denniston wrote: > If no one else pipes up, my suggestions would be: A) strings > rhinstall-stage2.img |less > and see if it looks like your bug report. I did that. It looks to me like an endless column of gibberish, mostly eight or ten characters wide, with here and ther a short line containing words. > B) cp rhinstall-stage2.img rhinstall-stage2.img.test OK -- I did that. > mount -oro,loop rhinstall-stage2.img.test /mnt/ > assuming Squashfs is built into your Ubuntu kernel. I gave the first line above as a command, as root; it returned me to my prompt. Now what? I see you're at Crane. Give my best to Bill and Karen Worrall, if they're still there! -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BUG in Anaconda, it seems -- more, maybe
On Wed, 21 May 2008 16:53:08 -0400, Todd Denniston wrote: [] >>> mount -oro,loop rhinstall-stage2.img.test /mnt/ >>> assuming Squashfs is built into your Ubuntu kernel. >> >> I gave the first line above as a command, as root; it returned me >> to my prompt. Now what? >> >> > ls /mnt/ # :) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/TEST# ls /mnt/ # etc firmware lib modules proc usr var [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/TEST# I guess I just start doing ls on those directories; stay tuned. > or > ls -R /mnt/ > and start exploring the filesystem now mounted at /mnt. as Squashfs is > compressed (sorry I forgot about that in suggestion A), the file > containing the bug report may still be in there, but now you might be > able find it as it is (probably) a normal file now. I tried this : [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/TEST# ls -R /mnt/|grep bug debug /mnt/usr/lib/debug: debug.py debug.pyc Debugger.py Debugger.pyc RemoteDebugger.py RemoteDebugger.pyc debugfs jfs_debugfs debug /mnt/usr/src/debug: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/TEST# file RemoteDebugger.py RemoteDebugger.py: ERROR: cannot open `RemoteDebugger.py' (No such file or directory) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/TEST# file RemoteDebugger.pyc RemoteDebugger.pyc: ERROR: cannot open `RemoteDebugger.pyc' (No such file or directory) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/TEST# None of that looks hopeful to me. Substituting report for bug got no hits at all. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How secure is Preupgrade? Answer: Not.
On Fri, 23 May 2008 16:06:04 +0930, Tim wrote: > Björn Persson: >>> rm -rf /boot/upgrade /var/cache/yum/anaconda-upgrade >>> >>> Be careful with that command! > > Beartooth Sciurivore: >> Don't I know it! So, to make assurance doubly sure : as root? And being >> in what directory when I do? > > Well, only root is going to be allowed to work on files in those > locations. And it won't matter where you currently are, as those are > full file paths (ones starting from /) specified above. OK, as I had guessed; but I'm very glad of the reassurance. I did it, booted to a known good F9 DVD, and did the install. All seems to have gone well. Many thanks to all! -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Weirdness with Fedora/XP upgrade
> On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 20:01 +0000, Beartooth Sciurivore wrote: [...] >> What could be doing this, and how do I fix it?? On Sun, 25 May 2008 06:27:44 -0700, Francis Earl wrote: > This is a known issue with ATI/Nvidia cards currently. If you have > either, please stick to Fedora 8 for the time being, thank you. Well, in the meanwhile I've had yet another try. That machine now offers to boot to XP (which works) or to F9, only. It does boot to F9, and my home folder seems to be there; but it cant start X. Unfortunately, I've been too assiduous about housecleaning with Pan, deleting threads I thought surely irrelevant -- including, since I had installed F9 on three machines successfully, complete with working X -- at least one about not being able to start X. I'll look through the Gmane version of this list with the three fully functioning machines, in hope (pretty faint hope) of finding one where I haven't lost that thread yet. Assuming that fails, leaving me with my present severely crippled install, rather than sticking to F8, I would have to try to "upgrade" from F9 with my F8 respin DVD from last December. Is that a good idea? Or an impossibility? Or something feasible but acrawl or honeycombed with gotchas? I did once downgrade a machine that way -- from FC1 back to RH9, iirc -- because of monitor problems; and the new HP w2207h, which I replaced my dead monitor with, may well be involved here ... -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know little (precious little!) of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: X doesn't start
On Tue, 20 May 2008 19:57:10 +0200, Marcel Janssen wrote: > On Monday 19 May 2008, Peter Lesterhuis wrote: [...] >> After upgrading my HP-laptop to F9 the x-server doesn't start. > Does it help to not try to load the record and type1 modules ? Put a # > before the lines Load "record" and Load "type1" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf I'm not the OP, but I have a similar problem : startx fails, both as root and as user. The machine here (the only one with that F9 problem) is my main (newest, biggest,fastest) PC; and I get a different error message. Nevertheless, I thought I might as well try commenting those lines out. But the xorg.conf file there does not contain the word "load" -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Weirdness with Fedora/XP upgrade
On Sun, 25 May 2008 14:25:15 +, I Beartooth wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2008 06:27:44 -0700, Francis Earl wrote: > >> This is a known issue with ATI/Nvidia cards currently. If you have >> either, please stick to Fedora 8 for the time being, thank you. [...] > ... leaving me with my present severely crippled > install, rather than sticking to F8, I would have to try to "upgrade" > from F9 with my F8 respin DVD from last December. Is that a good idea? > Or an impossibility? Or something feasible but acrawl or honeycombed > with gotchas? [...] Having heard no more, I've been trying to downgrade. That, too, fails, both normally and in text mode,with an error message. The message cites a long string of gibberish, apparently of the form shown in Amadeus W.M's thread "what kind of /etc/fstab is this?" beginning May 24th. It follows the gibberish with a flat statement saying "Devices in /etc/fstab should be specified by label, not by device name." Then it gives no other choice but to exit the installer. Some of the replies in the fstab thread praise these lines of gibberish, saying for instance, "either a label or uuid is the safe way to refer to the partition in fstab. For the installer, uuid is better ..." Apparently Anaconda needs to have that hammered into its skull, since it knows what they are and dismisses them so cavalierly. (Maybe that's the bug in Anaconda??) Consequence : those of us with F9 but no GUI are, apparently, up the creek. We can't get X to work, and we can't downgrade back to F8. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Weirdness with Fedora/XP upgrade
On Sun, 25 May 2008 16:28:21 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Beartooth writes: > >> Consequence : those of us with F9 but no GUI are, apparently, up >> the creek. We can't get X to work, and we can't downgrade back to F8. > > You can never downgrade to an earlier release. That has never been the > case, and will never be the case, at least not until rpm is replaced by > something else. > > You are at Nvidia's mercy, to release a driver that's compatible with > F9. Perhaps it's now clear why non-free binary blobs are a bad idea. If that's the real underlying problem; I don't know what sort of card I have, nor how to tell without the GUI. (I have neither the savvy nor the adroitness, nor yet the eyesight, to build a machine myself; what I do have is an electronic friend who has those things, who also runs Fedora, and who shares my attitudes. I take it for granted that anything he builds will be far better than I'd've managed.) For aught I know, it could be HP whose mercy I'm at -- the present monitor, replacing one that died suddenly, seems to be near state of the art: all my machines were managing (with Fedora and Ubuntu, not with CentOS) to use it last week; but none of them actually took advantage of its full size. I suppose, the time I did in fact downgrade, I must then have done a fresh install of RH9 over the top of FC1. I would do that now with F9 and F8, if I could recover a certain few files from the half-install. But neither ssh nor scp works against it, getting "no route to host," and my router doesn't see it, either. I did try "service denyhosts stop" and "service network start" -- but only the former succeeded. Nor do I have the faintest inkling how to burn those files to CDs or DVDs without K3B nor Brasero. So I guess I just shut that machine down, and get by on backup while I wait for the Anaconda bug to be fixed a/o an nvidia driver to appear a/o an HP driver -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: X doesn't start : DEFEAT, with honor
On Mon, 26 May 2008 18:53:52 +, I Beartooth wrote: [] >> Given success (I hope, I hope), I'm ready to try the biggest >> hammer of all : find a way to wipe one hard drive without taking the >> other, too. Caffeine insufficiency; when I came to it, of course, I simply told F8's anaconda to take all of sda and let sdb alone. I had to restore the grub.conf that works, but I have a copy. I'll test that directly. First, even though I used a February respin, there are of course a scad and a half of updates. > Linux is not just wonderful; it's downright amazing. On this > machine (my #2) it let me get into the gleanings folder, while #1 was > (is!) still downloading, and delete stuff! (Fwiw, having succeeded with > ssh into #1, I did the scp back into #2 from there -- if that matters.) > What's more, I can delete stuff (particularly whole ISOs) faster than > the other machine can pour them in. > > This is looking propitious, and then some. > > I may yet get F8 back onto that machine -- *with* the files I > don't want to lose ... Done. It's updating now, with Alpine and Opera already installed; meanwhile, I'm in process of scp'ing the gleanings back onto it. Many thanks for all the help here! I may try the upgrade again soon; or I may wait for the first F9 respin, in hope of the anaconda bug (which seems to've been involved somehow) getting stomped in the meanwhile. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Weirdness with Fedora/XP upgrade -- DEFEAT with honor
On Fri, 23 May 2008 20:01:59 +, I Beartooth Sciurivore wrote: [] As posted in the thread on X not starting, I finally threw in the towel. I salvaged most of my home directory by scp to another LAN machine; did a fresh install of F8 onto the linux drive; copied back the / etc/grub.conf I had had before; made sure I could still boot to XP; ran yum update; and copied back the salvaged files. The machine now runs F8 (and, rarely, XP) just as before. My copious thanks to all those who helped. I will try an upgrade again; but I'll try to wait for the anaconda bug to get stomped, and use a respin -- since my suspicion is that it was some combination of that, the new monitor, and the dual-boot that I tripped over. Meanwhile, with both machines behind a KVM switch, I'm having the curious experience of changing at the push of a button between two machines which are nearly identical except for the OS -- all the same apps (other than Firefox 2 vs. 3) on all the same workspaces ... -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
What to call software adder/remover??
I've just filed a bug report on something whose very name seems to be a problem : gpk? gpk-application? Or what? Those two are what you see if you right-click the launcher and then click Properties. But rpm -q against them comes back "not installed." The launcher, is naturally enough, the one that pirut had up through F8 : a CD or DVD in front of an open, apparently empty cardboard box. Through yesterday, it was launching an app that did indeed let me add and remove software. Clicking it got a window asking for root's password, and then opened the app -- all as expected. Today it popped up an undersized window, too briefly to tell whether it was a password request -- and them bugbuddy popped one up, saying it didn't know the app. I let it save its great long report (which seems to concern mainly some 164 "modules," whatever those are) to my desktop; it calls itself gpk-application-bugreport.txt. But on going to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/relogin.cgi (where I filed report 449453), I failed to find the name gpk, alone or with suffix. The failure may be mine -- all the more likely inasmuch as I also failed to see a way to attach the bugbuddy report, other than by copying and pasting it. What should I have looked under?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: What to call software adder/remover??
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:46:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Beartooth wrote: > >> The failure may be mine -- all the more likely inasmuch as I also >> failed to see a way to attach the bugbuddy report, other than by >> copying and pasting it. >> >> What should I have looked under?? > > Bugzilla lists source components. In this case, that would be > gnome-packagekit. OK, thanks! I got it into the thread on that bug -- and did manage to spot the way to attach file. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
PackageKit bug report -- where?
Poking around http://packagekit.org/, I got to a page that looks like it'll let me report my crash-on-launch bug there; and also a new (to me) command ( /usr/sbin/packagekitd --verbose) that got me a 13 KB report. Should I send this to the packagekit folks, referring to the existing RedHat bugzilla report, or add it to that, or do both? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: PackageKit bug report -- where?
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:13:18 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: > Beartooth wrote: > > >> Poking around http://packagekit.org/, I got to a page that looks like >> it'll let me report my crash-on-launch bug there; and also a new (to >> me) command ( /usr/sbin/packagekitd --verbose) that got me a 13 KB >> report. >> >> Should I send this to the packagekit folks, referring to the existing >> RedHat bugzilla report, or add it to that, or do both? > > Add to RH bugzilla, imo. > But doing both wouldn't be wrong either, and then devs/maintainers can > triage it as they see fit. > > -- Rex I've since noticed that Richard Hughes, of PackageKit fame inter alia, has recently started working at RedHat -- and is in fact following this bug there. Thanks for the advice just the same, though; I'll keep it in mind next time I discover a similar situation. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Opera 9.50 -- under which Fedora?
It looks like I'll be running both F8 and F9 for a while yet; and I'm considering switching from Opera 9.27 to 9.50 (which is still in beta), and wondering whether it does any better under one than the other. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 Installation Challenge
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:27:00 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: [...] > So that's the current situation. Most of F9 seems to be installed, but I > can't boot it. I think it would work if I could boot the rescue disk and > force an installation of the kernel rpm. But I can't boot the rescue > disk. > > I've run out of ideas. I really want Fedora on this laptop, but I can't > think of a way to do it. Any advice that anyone can give me would be > much appreciated. In the course of much trouble with installing F9 on one of my machines, I found that it helped to use an external USB CD/DVD drive -- but only if the drive was plugged directly into that machine, with no hub, switch, nor anything else in between. Then, and only then (after I also got the BIOS set up to see and boot from that drive), could I do it. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
live CD root password??
With F8, at least, I can log in as user fedora, with no password; but if I try to become root, it demands one. Where do I find it? I have a machine with a newly dead hard drive, not worth replacing, which does most of what little I still want from live CD; but there are a couple things that would be nice to tweak ... -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
F9 breaking Galeon 2.0.5 -- sometimes
(Followups set to gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general) Under Fedora 9 (but no earlier release, iirc) Galeon 2.0.5 crashes on launch if there is a tab open to certain sites. Most are nonce sites, which I want one look at and then let go; so I don't know how consistently they produce the crash. One that I monitor several times a day, though, is the PATC Trails Forum, http:// www.hypernews.org/HyperNews/get/trails/PATC.html The same does not happen in Firefox (2 nor 3), nor in Epiphany; I can open that forum in any of them, leave it open 24/7, and refresh it ad libitum. Whenever it crashes, bugbuddy produces a report. I always tell it what I was doing, and send it off -- whereupon, apparently, it evaporates into cyberspace. I don't know if there is any way to downgrade F9's Galeon to 2.0.4, or upgrade F8's to 2.0.5; those might tell something. Gmane.comp.web.galeon.user hardly ever seems to have fresh posts any more; there was a rumor that it was to merge back into Epiphany, but I haven't seen any more about that, either. -- Beartooth Squirreler, Wordcrafty Staffwright Hunting is life, life hunting. That is all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
VDQ : latest on anaconda "unhandled exception" bug?
I had an F9 install fail (from a known good DVD, sums checked, DVD used successfully on other machines) with a bug message as described in two or three threads here. Being no technoid, I took a lot of grief and a lot of luck just to get back to something near the F8 status quo ante on that machine -- my main one, unfortunately. I would like to put off trying again till I can get a DVD without the bug, if that's possible, or will be. I have since registered at bugzilla.redhat.com, and tried to teach myself to use it -- probably still pretty awkardly. I tried a search on F9 anaconda using "unhandled exception" and got to the page below. (That odd string ending in "_desc=" seems to be the whole URL) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi? product=Fedora&version=9&component=anaconda&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=MODIFIED&bug_status=ON_DEV&bug_status=ON_QA&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=FAILS_QA&bug_status=RELEASE_PENDING&bug_status=POST&bug_status=PASSES_QA&bug_status=CLOSED&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=unhandled +exception&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc= It lists three bugs, which I'm pretty sure are relevant, 431124, 449643, and 450012; the first is listed as modified, the others as new. What I don't know, and am trying to ask, is : Am I done? Or done for now? IOW, have I missed something obvious, as is likely? Or do I just wait for these three to be marked closed, and then for a respin to appear? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2, Epiphany 2, Opera 9, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: live CD root password?? -- UPDATE : real oddity
On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:14:09 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: > I have no idea what the password is, but I think you are missing what > people are telling you, what you want to do is "sudo su -" to actually > become root, and if you really need to set the root password you can. Hmmm ...that's certainly more than possible. Last time I looked at sudo, I was going to have to learn a whole editor, just to be able to set it up and configure it. Meanwhile, Ubuntu has made the process a *lot* more transparent; maybe Fedora has, too, and I missed it ... Anyway, now that it's installed and I'm actually using the hard drive (while it lasts), I can simply open a gnome-terminal tab, do "su - ," and go from there. But I admit that's more good luck than good management; I still don't know why the install finally succeeded ... -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: PackageKit bug report -- where? -- SOLVED
Bug # 449453 on bugzilla.redhat.com has just been marked CLOSED -- with my full concurrence, fwiw, and heartfelt thanks. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8, Galeon 2, Epiphany 2, Opera 9.27 & 9.50, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know little (precious little!) of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Can I rename a user??
I have a machine with an apparently failing hard drive, which I plan to give away to someone who may replace the drive. Of course I want my password and root's password off it. Root is not a problem; I simply change the password to a dummy I can remember, and let the recipient change it again, right? How about the user? I'd like to do a little more than that -- but not just delete the user and create a new one. The currently most likely recipient describes himself as a newbie -- meaning, I believe, to linux. I don't have to worry about actual data; I had wiped the drive with DBAN, and this is a new install, onto which I have yet to copy anything from any backups. But I do have various tweaks and adjustments -- arrangements of panels and launchers, default tabs for browsers and the gnome terminal, the workspace switcher, etc., etc. No doubt, when he's done this a while, he'll alter them all. But if it were me, I'd prefer starting with *something* to work from, rather than having to re-invent my whole workspace(s) from scratch. Can I give that to him? How? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can I rename a user??
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:42:24 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > Beartooth wrote: [...] >> No doubt, when he's done this a while, he'll alter them all. But >> if it were me, I'd prefer starting with *something* to work from, >> rather than having to re-invent my whole workspace(s) from scratch. Can >> I give that to him? How? > Rename the user in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and wherever the users > home directory is to the new user. The uid will stay the same in this > case. The only problems that might arise is if the existing user name > is somehow embedded in any of the config files, data files, etc. that is > used for the session information, etc. Ehh ... Yes, alas! > FWIW, you might be better off doing another new install and handing him > a box with /his/ user name already in place with whatever tweaks, etc. > you setup for yourself. I would prefer that, on general principles, yes; and if I knew where all that tweakage lives, I'd make a master copy of it and save myself a lot of bother; I could just scp it to each new install. But my guess is that it's scattered all over Fedora in spots ... -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can I rename a user??
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:50:39 -0600, Robin Laing wrote: > Tim wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Better yet, do it in front of them >> >> A good idea. Do the installation with them there, get them to play >> along. Have them fiddle around, tweak, re-install, and tweak, before >> they've put something on the system that they don't want to lose. >> >> > I agree. It will also instill a sense that they can work with this > "hard to use" Linux and can install it. Removes some of the fear of > playing with the settings. All that made excellent sense to me. I went back to the local linux forum where I had offered the machine, and started a reply, with an expatiation of these ideas pretty well worked out in my head. Then I noticed that the "newbie" runs Gentoo. Shudda thunka that, right off the bat My apologies for wasting bandwidth; but my thanks for the good thoughts, which I'll bear in mind next time I get a real case. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
F9 install : can't get X to work
I have a problem with installing F9, which I think can't be hardware. I'm trying to shift my #1 machine over from Fedora 8 to Fedora 9. I got it out from behind the KVM switch, and did the install with direct connections to the peripherals, so that it could negotiate with them any way it needed. This worked fine with my #2. #1, after what seemed a normal upgrade, however, is so far off that I just get a brief little box on the monitor saying "Input signal out of range. Change settings to 1680x1050 - 60 Hz" (which I think comes from the monitor). With RIPLinuX, I can edit what seems to be the machine's own /etc/X11/xorg.conf (not RIPLinux's -- I hope and believe). I've tried that a couple ways, trying to clone what #2 (running F9) and #3 (running F8) have -- the hard way, from behind the KVM switch. I would much rather ssh into #1, or simply scp a config file over. But, although RIPLinux will make #1 connect to the router, it then refuses ssh and scp from the rest of the LAN. Nor have I yet managed to get it to boot from its own hard drive into init3. I can hit "I" for the interactive boot, but no matter how fast I type init3, it still goes to that promptless demand from the monitor. With RIPLinux, if it gets to its useless, promptless display, I can hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to get a root prompt; but with the machine booted from the hard drive, that fails. #1 machine did fine with this monitor (an HP w2207h), twice, running F8 both times; so do #2 and #3, albeit without actually using 1680x1050. (They think it's 1280x1024, and one of them uses 1440x900 under that (!), but it's close enough for the monitor itself to accommodate the difference by stretching. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 install : can't get X to work
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:27:19 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 02:15 +0000, Beartooth wrote: >> I have a problem with installing F9, which I think can't be >> hardware. >> >> I'm trying to shift my #1 machine over from Fedora 8 to Fedora >> 9. >> I got it out from behind the KVM switch, and did the install with >> direct connections to the peripherals, so that it could negotiate with >> them any way it needed. This worked fine with my #2. >> >> #1, after what seemed a normal upgrade, however, is so far off >> that I just get a brief little box on the monitor saying "Input signal >> out of range. Change settings to 1680x1050 - 60 Hz" (which I think >> comes from the monitor). >> >> With RIPLinuX, I can edit what seems to be the machine's own >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf (not RIPLinux's -- I hope and believe). I've tried >> that a couple ways, trying to clone what #2 (running F9) and #3 >> (running F8) have -- the hard way, from behind the KVM switch. >> >> I would much rather ssh into #1, or simply scp a config file >> over. But, although RIPLinux will make #1 connect to the router, it >> then refuses ssh and scp from the rest of the LAN. >> >> Nor have I yet managed to get it to boot from its own hard >> drive >> into init3. I can hit "I" for the interactive boot, but no matter how >> fast I type init3, it still goes to that promptless demand from the >> monitor. >> >> With RIPLinux, if it gets to its useless, promptless display, I >> can hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to get a root prompt; but with the machine >> booted from the hard drive, that fails. >> >> #1 machine did fine with this monitor (an HP w2207h), twice, >> running F8 both times; so do #2 and #3, albeit without actually using >> 1680x1050. (They think it's 1280x1024, and one of them uses 1440x900 >> under that (!), but it's close enough for the monitor itself to >> accommodate the difference by stretching. > > edit the grub boot (press 'e') and then edit the 'kernel' line by adding > '3' at the end to boot in runlevel 3 Aha! no init. Worked fine; many thanks! I added the 3 in /etc/ grub.conf, to make sure I don't forget. > I would probably recommend that you simply run 'system-config-display > --reconfig' First, I made #2 try to scr its own xorg.conf to #1; or #1 to scp it from #2. Scp still failed. But ssh succeeded; so I now have #2 (whose name is hbsk) logged in as root on #1 (whose name is TopBlack) -- so that I can click back and forth on #2 between newsreader and ssh session. I see this : = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ssh 192.168.0.3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Last login: Thu Jun 12 13:28:04 2008 from 192.168.0.8 Can't open display [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ su - Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# system-config-display --reconfig = = With neither a response nor a return to prompt. I *think* that means it's hung, right? Probably because of the KVM machine being in the way? I think that means my next move is to shut everything down, pull #1 (which should now boot to init3) out from behind the KVM switch, plug it directly into the peripherals, boot it up, and run system-config- display --reconfig again on it (a command for which I thank you; I didn't know anything like it existed. Stay tuned. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Wide, flat, & weird : HP w2207h with F8 & F9
I've been running several F8 and F9 machines behind a KVM switch against what seemed the current high-end monitor in local stores. (My old LCD, which was 1280x1024, died suddenly.) The first weirdness, of several, is that my three PCs all handled it well enough to be usable under F8, albeit not optimally -- they try variously to treat the display or the hardware, or both, as anything from 1280x1024 to 1680x1050 (which is what it is), and often fail when they're over 1280x1024. This is the case even though I do my upgrades, and especially installs, with the subject machine out from behind the KVM switch, connected directly (and alone, of course) to the peripherals, so that it can do any necessary negotiating with them, unimpeded by the KVM switch. (In the past, that has sufficed. Once they're configured, they can be put behind the switch again.) One machine actually shows *almost* the model number (w2207, without the h) -- but that's not in the list of all monitors that Fedora knows about. Is there some secret driver somewhere that I should be getting? One reason I bought this on is that HP is supposed to be linux- friendly ... -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Wide, flat, & weird : HP w2207h with F8 & F9
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:05:20 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:44:25 + (UTC) Beartooth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Is there some secret driver somewhere that I should be getting? > > Depends on what driver you have now. The "nv" driver has problems with > lots of video cards and monitors: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=234824 > > as does the potential replacement "nouveau" driver: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=447526 > > So, if you have an nvidia card, the best bet for a working driver is to > add the livna repo and download the kmod-nvidia driver. > > You could take a look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and see if is says > things like "Oh look, I'm supposed to run this display at 1680x1050, but > I don't think that's a good idea" :-). Hmmm ... I *think* the PackageKit in F9 (when it get to it) will let me do that with a couple of clicks. I know there's a way to add livna to F8 -- I've done it -- but it's been a while. I *think* I browse to livna.org, download an rpm, install it, and then just use yum as always, with one more file yum.repos.d; I'll check those things, and if it's so, I'm golden -- no reply required. If I'm confused, prithee divulge one more such excellent clue! -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Wide, flat, & weird : HP w2207h with F8 & F9
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:05:20 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > So, if you have an nvidia card, the best bet for a working driver is to > add the livna repo and download the kmod-nvidia driver. I *think* so; what I know of hardware would go comfortably in a gnat's eye. I do now have livna on all three Fedora machines that use this monitor; and have run or am running yum update. But I don't know how to download -- just "yum install kmod-nvidia"? Or kmod-nvidia-driver? Or kmod-nvidia_driver? Or > You could take a look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and see if is says > things like "Oh look, I'm supposed to run this display at 1680x1050, but > I don't think that's a good idea" :-). Doing that now ... -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
NetworkManager -- and what else??
The man pages are pretty sparse. But it often fails, at least here. What are you supposed to do, in order to try again to connect? (Say you know you *have* a connection; your other machines are doing fine...) There's a launcher that looks like two monitors on a vertical pipe; right-click and get its Properties, and it tells you it runs the command usr/bin/system-config-network. Left-click, give it root's password, and it shows you all sorts of nice GUI stuff including buttons to 'activate' or 'deactivate' your ethX. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it even makes a connection after NM has failed. Often both fail. Then what? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Wide, flat, & weird : HP w2207h with F8 & F9
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:54:23 -0400, Raymond C. Rodgers wrote: [...] > My HP w2207h worked fine with both F8 and F9 on an ATI Radeon HD3850, > and in fact the clean install of F9 I did didn't even bother to ask me > what resolution I wanted to run the monitor in, it just set it > automatically to 1680x1050. Well, it's good to know it can be done -- already. I had a problem with an LCD monitor on my first install of FC1, so bad that I eventually went back to RH9 until the developers got to that monitor. > Sorry I'm of no help, but I do have a > question for you on this monitor & Fedora: Have you found a way to get > the monitor to actually display any of the text mode terminals (say > alt-control-1) without going to sleep because the signal is out of > range? I've had the monitor for about two months now, and I'm frustrated > that text mode access is out of visible reach, and the scaling settings > don't seem to solve the problem. Unfortunately, I know nothing whatever of those terminals. I just keep a gnome-terminal on workspace #1, with half a dozen tabs open, and do everything CLI from there -- unless I want to use the machine I'm on to work on another. But even then, all I do is put another gnome- terminal, with different background colors, on a different workspace. I *have* seen this monitor give me an impaired view just long enough to let me log in, and then put itself relentlessly to sleep; and I have not found any way to overcome that. I'd also be glad to know if there is one -- maybe ssh into the machine from a better-adjusted one, become root, and edit xorg.conf; but I've tried that a couple times without success Btw, with that spelling, are you related to our family friend Kay Rodgers, formerly of LC? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.4, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Hardware browser??
Fedora always used to have a hardware browser; for a while it had two, one with endless cryptic detail, and one highly simplified. Now I find neither. Has it (or have they) been renamed? Can I add it with yum? Some other way? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware browser??
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:36:53 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 18:44 +0000, Beartooth wrote: >> Fedora always used to have a hardware browser; for a while it had >> two, one with endless cryptic detail, and one highly simplified. >> >> Now I find neither. Has it (or have they) been renamed? Can I add >> it with yum? Some other way? >> >> > yum install lshw-gui > > should see you sorted. Hmm ... Neat name, impressive command; but is there a way to make it usable by subtechnoids? Can I pipe the -xml or -html options into a browser, for instance? Or something into baobab for it to use as labels? Most recent example : I got the livna display configuration kmod- nvidia stuff, and it helped; but it didn't tell me whether to use the nvidia configurator or the livna one, or both; and the livna page warned me that I might have any of several cards. I'd like to check that last, and tackle it again. One of the old hardware browsers, iirc, would have enabled even me to find out what video card I have. (An electronic friend is kind enough to assemble machines to meet my budget, every year or three; but I never needed to know one video card from another -- till I got this blankety-blank new monitor ...) -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Wide, flat, & weird : HP w2207h with F8 & F9
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:53:36 +, Beartooth wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:54:23 -0400, Raymond C. Rodgers wrote: > [...] >> My HP w2207h worked fine with both F8 and F9 on an ATI Radeon HD3850, >> and in fact the clean install of F9 I did didn't even bother to ask me >> what resolution I wanted to run the monitor in, it just set it >> automatically to 1680x1050. Somebody on another thread clued me into doing first downloading an rpm to add livna to my repos, running rpm -ivh livna-release-8.rpm or -9.rpm respectively, and then doing yum install kmod-nvidia. That helped a lot. I now have two F9 PCs and an F8 PC giving acceptable if not optimal displays. The F8, unfortunately, is my #1 (newest, fastest) machine. I had installed F8 over F9 already once, over the anaconda bug -- and, apparently, somehow gotten an unclean install. I tried another fresh install of F9, and failed again, the second time over this display issue. I did the third fresh install of F8, did the livna bit, and re-re- copied my data back in. Now I'm wondering if I dare try yet a third upgrade to F9 -- before there's a re-spin to do it with. Anybody know for sure if an upgrade F8 > F9 will keep all the livna-nvidia settings?? Or even a way a subtechnoid can use to make #1 identify its video card for me? (The machine was built for me, to my budget, by an electronic friend; but I haven't found a way to ask it what video card it has, and I hate to ask him to dig through his records (if any) to find out.) -- Beartooth Subtechnoid, PhD, Neo-Redneck Power User Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 and a GPS -
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:54:40 -0400, Bob Goodwin USA wrote: > I have a Magellan 3100 GPS device that came with a USB cable and a > collection of Windows software on a CD. > > Is there an application for F8 that will permit me to communicate with > it. At first I thought I would just plug it in and extract coordinate > information for my present position but it's not that easy. > > It would be even more convenient if I could list a destination address > from the computer keyboard instead of using the little touch screen > which doesn't really seem designed for normal human sized finger tips. > > It does show up on my XFCE desk top when plugged in and I can list some > files, none of which seem to be usable in Linux. > > Can I do anything with it via Linux? Wine 1.0 is out at last; so it's possible you can at last -- with it or CrossoverOffice. If you do, please post how here, with a large fanfare. I have Garmins, with software from Garmin, Maptech, Topo.com, and Delorme -- and I have a machine I can run XP on just for that. Two or three years ago, I worked long and hard, with this list and two or three others including CrossoverOffice, to manage under linux. I managed to get two of the four suites of software to run under Fedora -- but never did get any of them to talk to any of my Garmins. There *are* also several linux-native apps -- if you're Alpha Plus Technoid enough to use them. Last time I tried, it took not only a lot more linux-savvy than I've got, but something like a graduate degree in cartography besides. Good luck! And please report in exhaustive detail. Pretty please. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware browser??
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:30:41 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > #lshw > > > *-display UNCLAIMED > description: VGA compatible controller product: G70 > [GeForce 7600 GS] > vendor: nVidia Corporation > physical id: 0 > bus info: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:01:00.0 > version: a1 > width: 64 bits > clock: 33MHz > capabilities: pm msi pciexpress vga_controller > bus_master cap_list > configuration: latency=0 > > OK, I'm glad to know it can be done. But do I really have to slog through that enormous, incomprehensible output line by line? I tried = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep vga [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep video [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep unclaimed and even [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# roor lshw -bash: roor: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# = = = But, as you see, they all just ran, and gave me no output at all. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Wide, flat, & weird : HP w2207h with F8 & F9
On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:35:00 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 16:45 +0000, Beartooth wrote: >> (The machine was built for me, to my budget, by an electronic friend; >> but I haven't found a way to ask it what video card it has, and I hate >> to ask him to dig through his records (if any) to find out.) > > You can try "dmidecode" (it's a command line tool). Well, at least some of that is in English. I went through it, line by line, a couple of times. But all I could see that might be relevant was this : = = = Handle 0x0023, DMI type 10, 6 bytes. On Board Device Information Type: Video Status: Enabled Description: To Be Filled By O.E.M. = = = Is there something else I should be looking for?? What I know of hardware would go in a gnat's eye -- and never discommode the gnat. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware browser??
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:53:28 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 17:16 +, Beartooth wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep vga [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw >> -short|grep video [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep unclaimed > > Try 'grep -i' = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep -i "compatible controller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep -i unclaimed [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep -i video /0/100/1/0 displayK8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep -i vga [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# = = = (Nothing else got any feedback.) Does that tell us anything?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware browser??
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:27:00 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 17:16 +0000, Beartooth wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:30:41 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > >> = = = >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep vga [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw >> -short|grep video [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep unclaimed >> >> and even >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# roor lshw >> -bash: roor: command not found >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# > > well roor was a typo for root. (sorry) So I had assumed -- but tried it anyway. >> = = = >> >> But, as you see, they all just ran, and gave me no output at all. > > try:# lshw -short|grep display = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep -i vga [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep display /0/100/1/0 displayK8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lshw -short|grep -i display /0/100/1/0 displayK8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# = = = I tried google linux on K8K890 and Chrome9, but if there's help there, it's over my head ... -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware browser??
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:14:28 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 18:09 +0000, Beartooth wrote: > >> = = = >> >> I tried google linux on K8K890 and Chrome9, but if there's help >> there, it's over my head ... >> >> > http://www.logix.cz/michal/devel/suse-openchrome/index.xp? show_selected=1&msgid=1090 Hmmm ... Noticing that was for SUSE of some sort, I went to rpmfind, searched fedora i386, and got this (with a minor excess) : = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# ls|grep openchrome xorg-x11-drv-openchrome-0.2.902-7.fc9.i386.rpm [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# ls|grep openchrome xorg-x11-drv-openchrome-0.2.902-3.fc8.i386.rpm xorg-x11-drv-openchrome-0.2.902-7.fc9.i386.rpm [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# rpm -ivh xorg-x11-drv- openchrome-0.2.902-3.fc8.i386.rpm Preparing... ### [100%] 1:xorg-x11-drv-openchrome ### [100%] [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# = = = So will either an upgrade with my original F9 DVD, or "yum upgrade" handle that? Or will I have to re-install the rpmfind download? And how do I use it? Just log out and in? Run the livna configurator again? Some other configurator? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware browser??
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:13:41 -0400, William Case wrote: > Hi Beartooth; > > I am answering this at the risk of offending you. On the contrary! Many thanks! When in doubt, assume I *have* missed something; as the Boomers retire and escape the Gates of Hell, there will be accelerating numbers of people needing the same things -- even when I do know or have seen, as was not the case here. You're a great help! > Because of the advice given in response to your original post and > wanting a hardware browser myself, I downloaded and installed lshw-gui. > A little confusing at first, the display needs to be better configured. > > Are you clicking on each of the components to get the details ? > > (i.e. It's parts tree is horizontal rather than vertical) No, in fact I hadn't. I certainly wondered why the display was so sparse, but a horizontal tree is new to me (at least if it's an electronic tree). So I tried lshw, lshw-gui, and lshw-gui &; but no combination of left clicks, right clicks, and hitting enter with either of the latter two got me any more than a tiny yellow box saying "This pane displays " (I have all machines set to single-click, in case that matters.) And I get that much (more than I had before) just by hovering the cursor. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware browser??
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:33:01 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 18:27 +0000, Beartooth wrote: [...] >> So will either an upgrade with my original F9 DVD, or "yum >> upgrade" handle that? Or will I have to re-install the rpmfind >> download? >> And how do I use it? Just log out and in? Run the livna >> configurator again? Some other configurator? > > * Fedora : > * Fedora Core 2 up to Fedora Core 6 : > http://washington.kelkoo.net/epia > * Fedora 7 and newer : just run 'yum install > xorg-x11-drv-openchrome'. > * Fedora 9 and newer : openchrome is the default driver for VIA > IGPs. Well, I started with a small goof, misremembering for a moment which OS is on which machine. I don't *think* that made trouble -- I installed from rpmfind, and yum install just says xorg-x11-drv-openchrome is already there. Anyway on PC #1 (F8) I ran the Display applet; it let me change the hardware seting (to generic LCD 1680x1050; my HP w2207h is not listed under HP yet), but not the display setting. I logged out and back in. The display is distinctly better -- but clicking the applet launcher does nothing. Large UH-OH. So I tried the CLI, and got this (with no display) : = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# system-config-display & [1] 28747 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 381, in dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, rhpxl.videocard.VideoCardInfo()) File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py", line 533, in __init__ self.state.recalc_mode() File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/rhpxl/xhwstate.py", line 387, in recalc_mode self.colordepth = availableDepth[-1] IndexError: list index out of range [1]+ Donesystem-config-display = = = That "out of range" warning is deadly. I tried another twist : = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display [] Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" ModelName"LCD Panel 1280x1024" HorizSync31.5 - 64.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 65.0 Option "dpms" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "vesa" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor"Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ = = = I'd be pretty sure rebooting, or even logging out and in, would render the machine useless -- but how can xorg.conf be still set to 1280x1024?? And how can I rescue this install?? Here I thought I was cruisin' to a smooth upgrade -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware browser??
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:10:23 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > Beartooth wrote: [] > Mine is set to single-click as well but, in this gui, I had to > double-click the *bold* entries to get down into the meat of the > information. [...] Curiouser and curiouser : that doesn't work here. I can highlight them and then click, double-click, or hit enter -- and that doesn't help, either. The display disappears for a few seconds in favor of the word "scanning"; but it then comes back unchanged. -- Beartooth Implacable, Double Retiree On Line CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware browser??
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:41:23 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > Beartooth wrote: [...] >> Curiouser and curiouser : that doesn't work here. I can highlight >> them and then click, double-click, or hit enter -- and that doesn't >> help, either. The display disappears for a few seconds in favor of the >> word "scanning"; but it then comes back unchanged. > Are you running the lshw-gui as root? Yes. Shouldn't I be? When I try it as user, it starts off with the little pop-up that so many things use, asking for root's password. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
help with setting up graphics
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:05:38 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: [...] [In a long thread, called "Hardware browser??" about ways to configure a PC with unknown video card, so that it can use a HP w2207h 1680x1050 monitor] > look under /var/log/Xorg.0.log > > it will give you a lot of info about your monitor and card. > > If your unsure what to look for. > > Start a new tread with maybe subject: help with setting up graphics/ I made that "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|most" and started slogging. Other than the two lines below, I see nothing that even might be enlightening. = = = (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM: VIA K8M890CE (II) : Setting mouse protocol to "ExplorerPS/2" (It's actually a USB mouse, currently behind a MiniView G-CSIO4U KVM switch.) = = = Btw, I *run* machines behind the KVM switch; but I *install* OSs, one machine at a time, with the machine pulled out from behind the switch and connected directly to the peripherals. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware browser??
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:19:34 -0400, William Case wrote: > Hi Beartooth; Hi, Bill! > You should see a small window (less than 1/4 of your screen) pop up. On > my system it has four columns; the left column says "Desktop Computer"; > the next two columns are empty; the fourth (right-most) column has very > basic data about the Desktop computer. Yes, I do. > If I double click on the left-hand "Desktop computer" in column two I > "Motherboard" and "Ethernet interface" are added. Double clicking on > "Ethernet interface" gives me the data about the Ethernet interface in > the right-most column. *That's* where the dog is buried! Yes, I just discovered this morning that it's not enough to click on the bolded stuff. You have to start all the way to the upper left, and open layers (or branches, or whatever they're called) from there. I had been trying to start, as seemed natural to me, in the rightmost column; and all it ever did there was re-scan. > Double clicking on the "Motherboard" adds a whole list of motherboard > components to the third column. Single clicking moves columns leftward, > double clicking adds info to the fourth column. And so it goes ... Yes. Now I just have to figure out what people who speak hardware call a video card, and flounder around till I stumble on it, or so I presume. > If it's working, play with it to see all the possible data > presentations. If it is not working as outlined above -- you've got a > bug or some very very weird equipment. (That doesn't seem likely from > what you have described). What you don't know can hurt you; but what really makes trouble is what you think you know (like where to click) that ain't so. > The gui could use some basic column titles and the ability to widen or > narrow the columns. Practice using the little right pointing wedges to > get additional info and using the up bottom on the tool bar to undue. It sure could. But I think I can get what I need now, eventually. Many thanks for the clue! -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Wide, flat, & weird : HP w2207h with F8 & F9
On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:05:50 +0930, Tim wrote: [] > Faced with trying to read technobabble output, you could have posted the > whole thing to the list for more help with it. At least you can with > command line tools. Yes, ordinarily I would have; and I could have piped it into a text editor to make a file I could copy in toto or attach -- or at least I could have found out how to -- but this was such a vast file, and so much of it surely irrelevant, that I couldn't see taking the bandwidth. Meanwhile, fortunately, I've discovered the secret of lshw-gui : you have to double-click (even though my machines are single-click), *not* just on what looks likeliest among the bolded text, but all the way into the upper left corner (In this case on "Desktop Computer") and open branches column by column, as if you were drilling down a series of directories in the CLI (as, I suppose, in fact you are, behind the front end). There's no way to skim to the middle and go from there. From there, I get to "Motherboard," and then to a listing of -- so help me -- BIOS, cpu, system memory, and *eleven* identical-looking choices of "Host bridge." But ten of them don't seem to lead anywhere... Any hints on what I'm looking for may look like, so I'll know it when I slog to it? Most of what I see seems to've come from VIA Technologies. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: gnome-system-monitor -- most of the views greyed out.
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:16:07 -0400, William Case wrote: > I use gnome-system-monitor all the time. Leave it on the upper left > corner of my top panel. In F9 I find that all the options other than > Memory Maps and Open Files are greyed out -- and they do nothing > discernible. I can no longer choose All processes, active processes or > my processes. > > The processes reflected in the main window are only the processes of the > logged in user. I now have to sudo to see root processes etc. > > Is this deliberate or a bug? I can't tell you that. But I did just discover that there are now *two* choices under Add to Panel, both with the same icon, and the same name -- and they're different. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor was: Re: help with setting up graphics
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:02 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 21:00 +0000, Beartooth wrote: [...] >> > Start a new tread with maybe subject: help with setting up graphics/ >> >> I made that "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|most" and started slogging. >> Other than the two lines below, I see nothing that even might be >> enlightening. [...] > Could you post the complete Xorg.0.log. Try not to use the > grep\more\less etc.. [...] I wrote a detailed email reply, which should have appeared here (on Gmane) ere now; I think there was a glitch in the list address. I'll go copy it from my outbox and re-post. My apologies in advance if it eventually shows up twice! When it does appear, I have a follow-up with videocard info. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor was: Re: help with setting up graphics
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:02 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > Could you post the complete Xorg.0.log. > Try not to use the grep\more\less etc.. > There will be stuff useful that others more knowledgeable > (a lot more) than myself will gather from it. > > The same with any other log post the full thing. I'll try. But I'm on email (Alpine 1.10) at the moment, and I'm not going to try to copy a file that length into it, page by page or screen by screen. Does the list accept attachments?? I can probably do that; or I can use Pan (0.132) against Gmane -- my normal and strongly favored way of monitoring this list -- which will let me paste the whole huge thing (from gedit, which will let me copy it all at once) smack into the text of a post. > http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/ho/WF06b/20491-314293 > -314303-314303-314303-80720291-80720356.html > > Should be you monitor? That certainly seems to be the one, yes, thanks! But I've moused all over it, following every likely link, only to conclude there's no finding a driver without knowing your video card. So I broke down and sent an email to the guy who built my current machines for me, asking if he has records of what he put in. Stay tuned. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor was: Re: help with setting up graphics
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:53:12 +, I Beartooth wrote: > On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:02 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: [...] >> http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/ho/WF06b/20491-314293 >> -314303-314303-314303-80720291-80720356.html >> >> Should be you monitor? > > That certainly seems to be the one, yes, thanks! But > I've moused all over it, following every likely link, only to conclude > there's no finding a driver without knowing your video card. > > So I broke down and sent an email to the guy who > built my current machines for me, asking if he has records of what he > put in. Stay tuned. My query and the response from the builder are as follows : = = = > I've tried the hardware browsing tools I can find. I see > M2V-TVM on this newest machine, and I seem to be seeing > A7NVM400 on both the others -- is that possible? Or am I > looking in the wrong place? It's possible the two computers have the same motherboards. That particular one was very good with several updates and series available for almost 2 years. It's also possible that one is an A7N8X-VM and the other is an A7N8X-VM/400 which was released about a year later. This series uses the nVidia nForce2 video adaptor. The M2V-TVM has a VIA DeltaChrome Graphics Controller. = = = Translation : that means what I call machine #1 (now running F8) has the VIA DeltaChrome Graphics Controller, while what I call #2 and #3 both have the nVidia nForce2 video adaptor. Meanwhile, fwiw, I took #1 out from behind the KVM switch, meaning to try again to upgrade, hit a large snag, thought better of the attempt, and put it back. In the process, all three machines got rebooted. On all three reboots, X failed; I logged in as root, ran system- config-display, logged back out, logged in as user, and commanded startx. On all three, I got a display -- a bad one; ran the display applet (whose Properties give /usr/bin/system-config-display as its command), logged out, and repeated the exercise at least once, till I got each to run 1280x1024 given under Settings and "generic lcd 1280x1024" under Hardware. That's not optimal, of course, on a 1680x1050 monitor; but it's more usable, I find, than some of the other things that get substituted for it, such as iirc 1440x900 or 1400x1050 -- more usable, at least, in that the monitor adapts by stretching in ways that gripe me less. Upshot : I *think* what I now need is to discover what drivers to get, and where, for the VIA DeltaChrome Graphics Controller and the nVidia nForce2 video adaptor. And then, of course, to install them on the right machines. Right? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Wide, flat, & weird : HP w2207h with F8 & F9
On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:33:55 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: [...] > The DMI data doesn't come from the various pieces of hardware > themselves. It's all stored in a memory on the motherboard, so it > doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what hardware is actually > installed. It seems only big corporations have tools to write to the DMI > memory. > >> Is there something else I should be looking for?? What I know of >> hardware would go in a gnat's eye -- and never discommode the gnat. > > Try running lspci and looking for words like "display", "graphics" and > "VGA". On the #1 machine : = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# lspci|grep VGA 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video (rev 01) [EMAIL PROTECTED] btth]# = = = But there is later, better info -- which I have just posted here, under the thread "Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor" -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor was: Re: help with setting up graphics
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:12:29 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: [...] > I missed your previous posts, maybe clicking real fast, but I have an > integrated video in the motherboard and I use OpenChrome driver. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ su - > Password: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# lspci > 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890CE [...] Somewhere in there, I did hit a K8M890, but not with the CE. > [...] What I did to fix my situation was the > following: > > Change inittab:5 to 3, that is from level 5 to level 3 and then type > startx. Hmmm ... With mine, startx as user works *after* I've gone through all the screens Fedora gives you when it can't start X -- including running what appears identical to the display you get with system-config-display, and changing both the Settings and Hardware entries *back* to what I had when I shut down last. Why it doesn't keep them, as it always used to, I don't know. I couldn't make sense of what I found by searching inittab; so I'm probably missing something. I'm guessing that I could simply edit / etc/grub.conf, putting a 3 after the first kernel entry. Then it would boot into level 3; I could log in as user, and simply command startx. Is that right? Or, as a prior experiment, I could edit the kernel line from the grub boot-up splash, try init 3 that way, and only actually edit grub.conf if the experiment succeeds. > [...] I also > use Slax Linux on this machine and when the machine booted and logged in > automatically to X, the lines appeared, but then, I booted in text mode > and created a module for the OpenChrome drivers > > http://www.slax.org/modules.php?action=detail&id=713 Now I'm very confused, in part perhaps because I know nothing at all about slax. It looks to me as if that site is offering to download something to run under that OS, rather than Fedora. Not the case? > I started X with startx and the lines did not appear. Problem was > solved for me. I hope that this helps you with your problems. I can't imagine why startx would work immediately after logging in in text mode, without touching anything that affects the configuration of X; and it seems a strange, roundabout approach. But I'm willing to try it, if I understand aright what it is I'm to try. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor was: Re: help with setting up graphics
On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:20:14 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: [...] > I don't understand it either but similar things happen to me. If I boot > into runlevel 5 I only get a black screen. If I boot into runlevel 3, > log in as root and run "init 5 ; exit", then X starts just fine. I've > described the problem here: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448340 I'll take a look at that shortly, thanks. Meanwhile, I did manage to get #1 as well as #2 machine to run F9; but unless/until I hear better from Frank Murphy, I have to boot both in init3, log in as root, and play with the X configuration first by editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then by running system-config-display. That gives me a weird error message, something to the effect that the connection to the Xserver is temporarily unavailable. But if I then log root out and my userid in, I can command startx, and it takes a while but works. Next time I have to shut one of them down, or sooner if I get to it, I'll try your way instead; it certainly sounds shorter and easier. And, come to think of it, last time I did mine, I didn't change anything with either my editor or my config command; just ran them, logged root out and userid in. I have to say, I've already had more trouble with F9 than ever with any other release, since I started on RH7. (I had RH6, boughten in a bookstore, but never succeeded in installing it at all.) What's more, I can't remember nearly so many others describing install problems in my time watching this list Otoh, it certainly isn't any fault of our developers that (what seems to be) a new generation of hardware technology (i.e., wide-screen monitors with numerous bells & whistles) has been coming out right along with their release, not giving them to take account of it. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor : UPDATE
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:56:37 +, Beartooth wrote: > On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:20:14 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > [...] >> I don't understand it either but similar things happen to me. If I boot >> into runlevel 5 I only get a black screen. If I boot into runlevel 3, >> log in as root and run "init 5 ; exit", then X starts just fine. I've >> described the problem here: >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448340 > > I'll take a look at that shortly, thanks. > > Meanwhile, I did manage to get #1 as well as #2 machine to run > F9; but unless/until I hear better from Frank Murphy, I have to boot > both in init3, log in as root, and play with the X configuration first > by editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then by running system-config-display. > That gives me a weird error message, something to the effect that the > connection to the Xserver is temporarily unavailable. But if I then log > root out and my userid in, I can command startx, and it takes a while > but works. > > Next time I have to shut one of them down, or sooner if I get to > it, I'll try your way instead; it certainly sounds shorter and easier. > And, come to think of it, last time I did mine, I didn't change anything > with either my editor or my config command; just ran them, logged root > out and userid in. [] Yesterday evening we had a short power failure, about the time I'd've normally been getting offline anyway; so I shut everything down, all the way to the UPSs. This morning I've just brought up my #2 machine, the one with the nvidia video card, which has long been running F9. I tried Bjorn Persson's shorter way first. No joy. After init 5, I had a couple of failures among the messages on the screen, and then it hung. One failure, new to me afaik, said : = = = [] rpc.idmap: Unable to create user id mappings: FAILED [...] Starting router discovery FAILED [but during init 3 boot it had handled not only eth0 but ntp time synch -- so it was connecting, somehow.] [...] Starting NetworkManager daemon OK = = = NMd may have been OK, but something wasn't; everything hung at that point. After a long time, I tried Ctrl-Alt-Backspace; no visible result. Ctrl-Alt-Delete got a message, repeated six or eight times, saying those keys had been pressed, and the machine was going down -- but it didn't. It hung again there. So I tried the reset button, and that worked. At the grub splash, I edited the first kernel to add a 3, and booted. But when I got my prompt, and logged in as root, I tried first "nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf" -- and made no changes. (It said, then, that livna nvidia, or whatever, had created it.) Both the monitor section and the screen section had 1280x1024. (The videocard section had, iirc, vesa.) So I commanded system-config-display. The hardware tab called itself autoconfigured, and when I told it to let me, it came up with generic CRT; I changed that to 1280x1024 LCD, and then the settings from 800x600 to 1280x1024. It gave messages saying : = = = Couldn't start X server on card 0 " "" "with old config, trying with a fresh configuration Window manager warning: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) display ': 17.0' = = = There it stopped, and gave root's prompt back. I logged out, and back in as user; commanded startx; it sat there ten or twenty seconds with the monitor showing shaded horizontal gray bands; and then came up almost normally. xorg.conf now says it was created by system-config-display; and the videocard driver is set to nv. The apps I had left on when shutting down were all or almost all in the upper left workspace, and my gnome terminal had only one tab and was not quite the right size nor in quite the right place. But otherwise it seemed normal, except that privoxy wasn't running. Now I'll go try machine #1, which has a VIA card -- and which, yesterday or the day before, I had tried yet again to upgrade from F8 to F9 -- successfully, this time, at last, afaict (except that it had not been through a reboot). I'll make those results a separate post, when I have them. Stay tuned. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Evangelist Remember I know little (precious little!) of what I'm talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor : UPDATE
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:02:08 +, I Beartooth wrote: >> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:20:14 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: >> [...] >>> I don't understand it either but similar things happen to me. If I >>> boot into runlevel 5 I only get a black screen. If I boot into >>> runlevel 3, log in as root and run "init 5 ; exit", then X starts just >>> fine. I've described the problem here: >>> >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448340 >> [] > There it stopped, and gave root's prompt back. I logged out, and > back in as user; commanded startx; it sat there ten or twenty seconds > with the monitor showing shaded horizontal gray bands; and then came up > almost normally. > > xorg.conf now says it was created by system-config-display; and > the videocard driver is set to nv. > > The apps I had left on when shutting down were all or almost all > in the upper left workspace, and my gnome terminal had only one tab and > was not quite the right size nor in quite the right place. But otherwise > it seemed normal, except that privoxy wasn't running. > > Now I'll go try machine #1, which has a VIA card -- and which, > yesterday or the day before, I had tried yet again to upgrade from F8 to > F9 -- successfully, this time, at last, afaict (except that it had not > been through a reboot). I'll make those results a separate post, when I > have them. Stay tuned. I'm now on the other machine; the Persson method worked here -- or mostly did. I can get my remote email, and the browsers I've checked so far can get to some, but not all, of the sites they had at shutdown yesterday. I have checked that both xinetd and privoxy are running; and the error messages I get on the unreached sites are not privoxy messages, anyway, but "Address not found," apparently from the browser. At least one of them (a trail & hiking forum) does come up, and let me participate, on Firefox but not on Galeon. I'll keep trying a little longer, in hopes of a clue to whether the trouble is in Galeon a/o other browsers, or in F9, or my hardware -- or at my local access provider. Meanwhile, Frank Murphy has kindly emailed a whole xorg.conf designed specifically for this monitor. I have moved the old one out of the way, and created a new one copied from his email. I'll log out and back in in a little while, and report how it does. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor : Third UPDATE
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:21:41 +, I Beartooth wrote: [] > I'll keep trying a little longer, in hopes of a clue to whether > the trouble is in Galeon a/o other browsers, or in F9, or my hardware -- > or at my local access provider. > > Meanwhile, Frank Murphy has kindly emailed a whole xorg.conf > designed specifically for this monitor. I have moved the old one out of > the way, and created a new one copied from his email. I'll log out and > back in in a little while, and report how it does. Disaster -- but I have no idea whether Frank's xorg.conf had anything at all to do with it. That machine has been going into occasional snits lately -- acting as if it were over its head in cold molasses. Small example : a time or two, on reboot, it got as far as "Stand by for reboot" -- and then went without any further sign of activity for six whole minutes, by the sweep second hand on my atomic wristwatch. Another example: one time I left it doing nothing visible, ran into town, and did errands for a couple of hours. When I got home, it had finally done the next thing -- and was stuck again. It does it under both F8 and F9 -- but not XP (which is on the other hard drive). I can't even tell whether it's hitting an endless 100% cpu loop, or heating something up in the hardware. But I have asked a young friend who does computer repair & maintenance for a living to come by some evening this week, with his testing tools. Whatever the reason, when it does that, it doesn't respond to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, nor to Ctrl-Alt-Delete, nor yet to the reset button, nor even to the power button. I have to literally pull the plug on it. Then when I restore electricity, sometimes it comes back still in the snit, and sometimes not. So I haven't yet managed to give the new xorg.conf anything like a real test yet, and don't know when I'll be able to. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor : Third UPDATE
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:42:31 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 18:35 +0000, Beartooth wrote: >> On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:21:41 +, I Beartooth wrote: > > >> Disaster -- but I have no idea whether Frank's xorg.conf had >> anything at all to do with it. > > Gulp ;) [...] > Do the hardware tests, and then have another crack at it. I plugged it back in, booted to init 3, moved the xorg.conf it had to xorg.conf.fmurph and the backup back into xorg.conf, and then ran nano -w against that -- changing "vesa" to "openchrome" but leaving all else alone. Then I tried system-config-display again; usually, when I do that as root from an init 3 prompt, it lets me use the minimal gui it gives me. This time, however, the cursor immediately froze, and I couldn't even get to the hardware tab. Keyboard commands did nothing visible. The reset button eventually got me a reboot; I changed the driver back to vesa, and system-config-display opened properly -- with nothing to change. I logged out, and back in as user; did su - and then "init 5" instead of startx. It hesitated a moment, gave me the normal login screen, and let me log in. It looks pretty normal; but neither Galeon, nor Epiphany, nor Firefox (the three browsers I've tried so far) can connect. I had to get into the little system-config-network (launcher showing two monitors on one pipe) to make a connection; but xinet and privoxy were both already running. Yum update couldn't connect, either. According to bugbuddy, epiphany has just crashed. The very bottommost line of Firefox was doing a Saint Vitus dance, back and forth. that stopped when I told it to work offline, and didn't start again when I rescinded that; but it still doesn't connect. Neither does Opera, nor Pan. Stay tuned. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.51, Firefox 3.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor : Fourth (?) UPDATE
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:18:52 +, Beartooth wrote: > It looks pretty normal; but neither Galeon, nor Epiphany, nor > Firefox (the three browsers I've tried so far) can connect. I had to get > into the little system-config-network (launcher showing two monitors on > one pipe) to make a connection; but xinet and privoxy were both already > running. Yum update couldn't connect, either. > > According to bugbuddy, epiphany has just crashed. > > The very bottommost line of Firefox was doing a Saint Vitus > dance, back and forth. that stopped when I told it to work offline, and > didn't start again when I rescinded that; but it still doesn't connect. > Neither does Opera, nor Pan. Stay tuned. I let it run all night, and tried again this morning. xinetd and privoxy were still running, and the two net launchers on my left panel (the system-config-network one and the one with two monitors not visibly connected, which fails to give its name) both claimed a connection; but still nothing would connect. I got into the s-c-n app, made eth0 inactive, changed localhost.localdomain on the DNS tab to Tpbk.localdomain, and made eth0 active again -- Lo! and Behold! -- everything worked. When I tried that again just now (couldn't remember the name of the tab), it said localhost.localdomain again. So I suppose what did it was just turning eth0 off and back on ... I'm on #1 now. I'll keep running it till I get my routine pensum behind me, and then try xorg.conf.fmurph again, some hours from now. Stay tuned. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 and a GPS -
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:30:14 -0400, Bob Goodwin USA wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> Please don't send HTML mail to this list. >> >> poc >> >> > Thunderbird is not supposed to send html to this address. Sometimes it > happens! I am having a lot of trouble with it since upgrading to F8. I > am about to remove and reinstall Thunderbird. Probably should have done > a fresh install. If you don't mind running a separate app, try "yum install pan" -- ten to one you never go back. There's a discussion list for it on news.gmane.org, called gmane.comp.gnome.apps.pan.user -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 default Internet browser?
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:26:08 -0700, Barry Yu wrote: > Firefox icon is on the top panel and I clicked to start it, then went to > yahoo open the main page, point at the symbol just at left of http:// > then drag and drop to desktop making a link there. Next time when I > clicked on this link Konqueror started up instead of Firefox (Same goes > for every link that made on desktop as short cuts for frequent used > urls). How can I configure to use Firefox to open web links instead of > Konqueror? Main Menu > System > Preferences > Personal > Preferred Applications In the popup, get the Internet tab on top. (It probably will be already.) Make the first box say Firefox. = = = Just for lagniappe, in case you want something a lot faster and very safe, make that box say Custom. Then in the Command box, make it say "dillo %s" -- note the space before the %. Then become root and command "yum install dillo" If like me you often get URLs in emails that you just want a quick look at, this will speed things way up; and if you get a site Dillo won't handle, but that you still want to see, then c&p into a new tab on Ffx. Ditto if you want to keep a bookmark, or recopy a long URL all in one line. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Please, please please!
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:59:46 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > Start snipping out unnecessary quotes. 12.6KB for a 2-line response is > not funny. YES! in thunder. See http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting.html -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Just for once, I *know* what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Please, please please!
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:15:16 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: [] > The practice of quoting the whole history of a conversation, > which I also admit to doing in occasion, appears to come from commercial > practice and is really out of place on a mailing list. Alas! Not only from that. Gdgummint bureaucrats do it, at least in the US, imitating what they do with paper files in manila folders. And, I'm told, at least one M$ mailer defaults to doing it ... -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Evangelist -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 and a GPS -
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:25:28 -0400, Bob Goodwin USA wrote: [] > Thunderbird has been a continual problem for several days. So far, > since re-installing it, it has not missed a beat. Earlier I would try > to delete mail and it would do nothing until I stopped and restarted > Thunderbird, it is not doing that now. Other times Thunderbird would > just stop responding to commands at all and I would have to do xkill and > then remove a lock file to restore operation. So far none of that has > occurred. Remember, this was an upgraded system from F7 to F8. [] In that case, go to Pan for news, and Alpine for email :"yum install pan alpine" -- you'll never look back. Oh, and of course, quite soon, "yum remove thunderbird" -- quite soon meaning once you salvage what you can. The linux/unix way is still best : one app for each and every purpose, no bloat, no cruft, no breakdowns. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Evangelist Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Is this list on a newsgroup?
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:35:19 +, Derek wrote: > Is this list on a NNTP newsgroup? > The news digests are arriving a bit too fast for me to monitor... gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general -- couldn't live without it. Nor without Pan to read it. (yum install pan) -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Is this list on a newsgroup?
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:28:30 -0500, Justin Zygmont wrote: > I hope not not. All usenet has become, is a wide open door for spam. Usenet in the wild, yes, especially unmoderated. Gmane is not usenet, but an interface between email and nntp -- with spam protection. In fact, after following it for more years than I can count, I have yet to see my first spam on this list via Gmane. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Inexcusable, simply inexcusable
I am not No Such Agency, nor ever wished to be. = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# services network stop -bash: services: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# service network stop Shutting down interface eth0: rm: cannot remove `/etc/ resolv.conf.predhclient.eth0': Permission denied [ OK ] Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# service network restart\ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# service network restart Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] Bringing up loopback interface:[ OK ] Bringing up interface eth0: Determining IP information for eth0...cp: cannot remove `/etc/ resolv.conf.predhclient.eth0': Permission denied done. [ OK ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# = = = I cannot, do not, and have no wish to share their degree of security at any price, let alone such a one as this. SHAME!! -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Meseems I know too damn much of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Inexcusable, simply inexcusable
On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:52:50 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 00:52 +0000, Beartooth wrote: >> I cannot, do not, and have no wish to share their degree of security at >> any price, let alone such a one as this. > > I've seen that, too. Yet another reason I stopped using Network Manager > on Fedora 9. > > By the way, that's not the fault of SELinux. It's the fault of those > who put software on a system using SELinux without doing it properly. Oho! I also got an email under the list, identifying it as a bug : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451560 Such being the case, I beg SELinux's pardon. And I have to say it feels abundantly odd to have been *too* paranoid for once ... -- Beartooth Implacable, curmudgeonly codger learning linux I try to be paranoid, but I just can't keep up. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: Problem with Services tool
On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:58:39 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: [] >>>> Somehow, the system-conf-services tool stopped working. Starting this >>>> brings up the tool, it hangs with a blank list and 'No services >>>> selected' in a greyed out right panel. I only saw this post a minute ago. For hard questions, answers sometimes take several hours, or overnight. But this isn't one. You're gonna kick yourself. Simply click on one of the entries in the list that gives you. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: Problem with Services tool
On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:58:36 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: > Beartooth wrote: >> You're gonna kick yourself. Simply click on one of the entries in >> the list that gives you. > Unfortunately, there are no items to select from! The left-pane list is > empty! > The only choices available is quit and help menu selections. Oh. Your problem is vastly different from the one I've had that it sounded so similar to. Piping down -- you're outta my league. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor -- new drivers?
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:56:37 +, Beartooth wrote: > On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:20:14 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > [...] >> I don't understand it either but similar things happen to me. If I boot >> into runlevel 5 I only get a black screen. If I boot into runlevel 3, >> log in as root and run "init 5 ; exit", then X starts just fine. I've >> described the problem here: >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448340 > > I'll take a look at that shortly, thanks. > > Meanwhile, I did manage to get #1 as well as #2 machine to run > F9; but unless/until I hear better from Frank Murphy, I have to boot > both in init3, log in as root, and play with the X configuration first > by editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then by running system-config-display. > That gives me a weird error message, something to the effect that the > connection to the Xserver is temporarily unavailable. But if I then log > root out and my userid in, I can command startx, and it takes a while > but works. > > Next time I have to shut one of them down, or sooner if I get to > it, I'll try your way instead; it certainly sounds shorter and easier. > And, come to think of it, last time I did mine, I didn't change anything > with either my editor or my config command; just ran them, logged root > out and userid in. [] One relevant and one almost surely relevant discovery. My #1 hardware (with the VIA card) didn't like the xorg.conf file that Frank Murphy sent -- not quite; but almost. I made three copies, with changes in each; first with "vesa" replacing "openchrome" as the driver; second, with the resolution choked all the way back from 1680x1050, which the monitor demands, to 1280x1024, which I know both machines #1 and #2 can handle; third with both those changes. With the first, the vesa version, I didn't just boot, but took the Persson Precaution : edited grub to boot to init 3, logged in as root, and simply commanded "init 5." That worked so well I haven't tried anything else yet, not even booting without the Persson Precaution. I have full use of the whole 1680x1050 resolution, and have had neither any sort of display breakdowns, nor any other trouble. I look forward to getting #2 (with the nvidia card) to do as well some day. Since then, yum update on at least one machine (I wish I could remember which! But I may have spotted the like on only one but gotten it on both...) -- on one machine, I say, yum update has brought at least a dozen X11 items, about half containing the substring "-drv-"; I *think* those must be drivers, right? Has anybody else tried any of them with the HP w2207h yet? Would it be a good idea just to run system-config-display again? Perhaps try the list of HP flat panel monitors, which didn't include this one last time I looked? Or run system-config-display only after editing a particular one of them into xorg.conf? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Clicking on URL in konsole
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:04:35 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > When I hover over an URL in konsole > (or some program like vim running in a konsole window) the URL is > highlighted (underlined) > but clicking on it has no effect. > > Is there some way of enabling such a click to bring up the URL in my > browser (Firefox)? In Alpine and in Pan, I have to right-click to get a menu which begins with "open link" -- in my case with Dillo, because I have that set as my default browser. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
F7 aarrghh : how get gnome back?
I have an oldish (four or five year) machine, which I thought had major mechanical failure -- it would boot from any live CD, but not from the hard drive. Then a young friend who speaks hardware came and ran tests on it. He concluded that it just wasn't up to F9. So I DBANned it, and installed F7 from a live CD I still had. I've been tweaking the install with pirut -- and frequent reboots to be sure I hadn't broken anything. On the last one, logging in as user, I decided to make sure it not only brought up Gnome, but had Gnome as the default session. I got a little hasty and careless, hitting enter to soon -- and *very* inadvertently made the default session KDE, which I happen to be intensely allergic to. I can't remember the exact name of the app that lets you change -- and KDE is acting as if Gnome either didn't exist, or were taboo. What do I do to get Gnome back onto the login session menu?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F7 aarrghh : how get gnome back? Whew! DISREGARD
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:22:52 +, Beartooth wrote: [...] > I got a little hasty and careless, hitting enter to soon -- and > *very* inadvertently made the default session KDE, which I happen to be > intensely allergic to. [] I must have goofed something else up, too, somehow. Opening pirut again to go on tweaking, I discovered to my flabbergastion that I had uninstalled all of Gnome! So I pirutted it back, and that was all it took. My apologies for the bother! -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 7 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2, Epiphany 2, Opera 9, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: how come Sys -> Adm -> Display can't see the full resolution?
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:48:56 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > (by way of intro, i got to this point after pretty much trashing my X > setup trying to get googleearth to run properly, and finally putting the > bits and pieces back together enough to restore a normal X session. > gr. we'll be getting to that little adventure shortly.) > > scenario: > gateway mx8711 laptop > 1440x900 res display > intel 945GM video controller > > at the moment, the system really is running at full 1440x900, but only > because it's set that way via: > > System -> Preferences -> Hardware -> Screen Resolution > > which is set to 1440x900 and Laptop 17". > > however, what i don't understand is why i can't select that > resolution via > > System -> Administration -> Display (system-config-display) > > which lets me go only as high as 1024x768. > > when i run s-c-d, under "Settings", i see only up to 1024x768, but > if i go over to the "Hardware" tab, i see: > > Monitor Type: LCD Panel 1440x900 > Video Card: Intel ... 945GM/GMS ... > > so i'm confused ... the Hardware tab clearly recognizes the display, yet > the Settings tab won't let me choose that resolution. [] I've done one helluva lot of such fiddling lately, trying to accommodate to the new HP w2207h I bought when my old square lcd monitor died suddenly. One trick that often helps is to log out and back in *twice*. In your present situation, particularly, if you log out and back in, *then* (and not sooner) you should be able to make that change. Then of course you'll have to log out and back in yet another time, to get it to take the new change. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F7 aarrghh : how get gnome back?
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:01:53 -0400, Bob Goodwin USA wrote: > Beartooth wrote: >> I have an oldish (four or five year) machine, which I thought had >> major mechanical failure -- it would boot from any live CD, but not >> from the hard drive. Then a young friend who speaks hardware came and >> ran tests on it. He concluded that it just wasn't up to F9. >> >> So I DBANned it, and installed F7 from a live CD I still had. >> >> I've been tweaking the install with pirut -- and frequent reboots >> to be sure I hadn't broken anything. On the last one, logging in as >> user, I decided to make sure it not only brought up Gnome, but had >> Gnome as the default session. >> >> I got a little hasty and careless, hitting enter to soon -- and >> *very* inadvertently made the default session KDE, which I happen to be >> intensely allergic to. >> >> I can't remember the exact name of the app that lets you change >> -- and KDE is acting as if Gnome either didn't exist, or were taboo. >> >> What do I do to get Gnome back onto the login session menu?? >> >> > switchdesk? Get it from yum. Bless you, SIR! I made sure all machines have it. One had it already; but I can't find a launcher for it. Is there one? Knowing that I have trouble recalling the name, and therefore will also with the command, I meant to put a launcher on the panel of each machine. I guess I'll have to make one -- for the first time ... -- unless I'm missing something. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:29:04 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Francis Earl wrote: > >> On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 01:24 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >>> How is it that Fedora is not on this list? >>> http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions [...] >> Wireless firmware inclusion I'd imagine. > > You mean there are people even more fundamentalist about open source > than Fedora? If you haven't read it, get Sam Williams's Free as in Freedom -- it's a fine biography of RMS, and a good read. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 and a GPS -OT
On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:23:21 -0600, Robin Laing wrote: [...] > Just for some info. If you are looking at getting a GPS system. > Garmin Nav devices run Gnome Linux > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8827997755.html > There are many devices that are supported directly in Linux. Well, it's nice that the OS inside the GPS itself should be linux; I'll certainly make that a priority if/when I ever buy another. (I have four or five already.) How about PC/laptop software? I know there's plenty of stuff suitable for those who have the savvy to use wardriving, and even some that may be useful for ordinary drivers (roadnav, in particular) -- but how about topographic?? Everything I know of requires a far better grasp of linux, or of GPS technology, or of cartography, than for instance the suites sold by Garmin, DeLorme, Maptech, or Topo.com to run on M$ machines. With those, I can connect my handheld garmin to my computer, launch the software, and (so long as I can tolerate XP at all), make it easy to do things like editing maps. (I keep a dedicated hard drive on one PC, and a whole dedicated laptop, that boot to XP at need, just for the purpose.) What I do with them, and would *much* rather to with linux, is to map my hunting grounds. When I go out, I have with me both my actual GPS, and a selection of printed paper maps -- much bigger than anything on a handheld GPS screen, and in full color, in a waterproof transparent pouch -- which feature the locations that interest me. What's even more valuable is the ability to study the relationship of various stands, trails, den trees, topography, etc., to one another at leisure and at home. I once found, for instance, that two of my favorite trails ran within fifty yards of one another for a stretch of maybe a quarter mile -- something I had never suspected in over ten years of walking them. I keep thinking such software will appear, because it would be equally valuable to hikers, fishermen, timber cruisers, and anyone else who spends much time in the woods -- and most of all to those of us who don't stay on beaten trails. But if it ever has, I've missed it. Alas! -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 and a GPS -OT
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:18:32 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 20:40 +0000, Beartooth wrote: >> Everything I know of requires a far better grasp of linux, or >> of >> GPS technology, or of cartography, than for instance the suites sold by >> Garmin, DeLorme, Maptech, or Topo.com to run on M$ machines. > > That only holds true if they work flawlessly. If you have to battle > bugs or compatibility issues, as so many Windows users have to do, or > even incredibly crappy installers, you're in a worse position. Not quite. At least I do get to use them a lot of the time. I have yet to find one native to linux that the likes of me can use at all. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: Apology for Daniel R. Koehler
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:02:36 -0500, Daniel R. Koehler wrote: [...] > Apology accepted. I don't often use these Listserv style discussion > boards, so it is easy for me to make a mistake in replying to one. [...] Small reminder : you can do "yum install pan" then make sure you tell pan to use news.gmane.org as one of its news servers. That enables you to read this list (fedora.general in Gmane's designation) in a format much more like a web forum, and even more like usenet -- without the spam. Pan is technically still in beta; but for many years it has been one of the solidest and most useful apps I have. I find it a far easier way to follow any very busy list. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
policy question
Can anybody explain to a non-technoid how the developers go about deciding whether a new thing gets added to the current Fedora release, or held to become part of the next? I have no axe to grind here, not even a specific instance; it just happened to occur to me that I have no idea how that process works, and I think it's an interesting question. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: policy question
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:32:01 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Beartooth wrote: >> Can anybody explain to a non-technoid how the developers go about >> deciding whether a new thing gets added to the current Fedora release, >> or held to become part of the next? > > Can you explain what you mean by a "new thing"? [snipperoo : lots of great stuff] Not very well, I'm afraid. It's a disadvantage autodidacts are always at -- worth it, but always at it. I chose a deliberately vague term, partly because of all the things I don't know, and partly because my thinking isn't that precise yet. I don't even know if there's a sharp line between an app and an applet, or a package and a feature, for instance. Or, say, between things yum can find, and ones it can't -- such as Konqueror, which I use under Gnome. (I once tried not installing KDE at all, planning to install just Konqueror and whatever it brought with it; but couldn't till a guru told me more.) > Do you mean a new software package or new feature or something else? All of those, for sure. Burning media is a good example of a job that's gotten vastly easier for the uninitiated over the years (and running GPS-interfacing topographic map software of one that I'm sure will yet). I don't recall, but I'd guess, that simplifying the K3B front end happened or could have happened during a release, but that introducing Brasero probably came with a new release. I did know from one of the LUGs I follow that more than I dream of gets added in, or sometimes obsoleted out, constantly. I've also noticed several times that the changes accompanying a new release may be vast -- as replacing pirut with package-kit seems to me, and the introduction of SELinux was to more people than just me. That set me wondering if there were systematic priorities such as urgency on one hand, new convenient abilities on another, and something else again on the gripping hand. And how it might be that new bugs find a way into things as seemingly familiar for so long as Anaconda. I hope I'm making some sense. Anyway, the rest of your answer (all that good stuff I've cut here) will give me plenty to chew on for quite a while. I knew, of course, that y'all'd've thought it through way beyond me -- but not that you'd've articulated so much of it explicitly, and even set it out in public. Many thanks! -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Weird error in Ffx3
Very often (more often than not), when I c&p a URL into Firefox 3 (under F9), I get an error which might as well be in hieroglyphics a; ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file! Stack Trace: 0:ENSURE_WARN(false,_installLocation: engine has no file!,2147500037) 1:() 2:() 3:() 4:epsGetAttr([object Object],alias) 5:() 6:SRCH_SVC_getEngineByAlias(http://www.roanoke.com) 7:getEngineByAlias(http://www.roanoke.com) 8:getShortcutOrURI(http://www.roanoke.com,[object Object]) 9:canonizeUrl([object KeyboardEvent],[object Object]) 10:handleURLBarCommand([object KeyboardEvent]) 11:() 12:([object KeyboardEvent]) 13:anonymous(textentered,[object KeyboardEvent]) 14:fireEvent(textentered,[object KeyboardEvent]) 15:onTextEntered() 16:handleEnter(false) 17:_onKeyPress([object KeyboardEvent]) 18:onxblkeypress([object KeyboardEvent]) Sometimes I then also get the site; sometimes not. Anybody know what goes on here? I don't even see what to google for ... Btw, it has only recently started to pull this stunt. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Alpine prospects??
As many here must know, U Washington laid off some large number of the Pine/Alpine team last May. Now there is talk, in some places online, of UW dropping all support for this superb software. Given those opprobrious facts, it seems a legitimate topic for this group to ask, "What of Alpine, then?" Will Fedora, or some other distro, or many, spring into the breach, if breach there be?? Isn't anything known, after over two months? Can it not be told here? If not here, where? If not now, when? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Alpine prospects??
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 08:45:15 -0700, Mike wrote: >>From a long time pine/alpine user this is horrible news! I have yet to > find a suitable replacement. Cone comes close but no cigar for me... > > The only discussion I was able to find is here: > http://objectmix.com/imap/397119-so-long-thanks-all-fish.html That seems to be essentially the text of that thread, yes. Do you really not have a newsreader and a newsfeed? I mean ordinary old- fashioned Usenet : there are still some useful (moderated) groups on it, and any ISP I know of, at least in North America, provides access to it as part of its routine package. Try "yum install pan," then get your ISP (or its website) to tell you what to enter when you start setting it up. Note that the "fish" post simply states the layoffs. Discussion of implications for Alpine slipped in only quite recently, and seems now to be taking off. Cone and mutt are the only suggestions I've seen yet, and they don't look auspicious to me so far. Cone in particular seems to want to do html, which I call an outright abomination in email. -- Beartooth Implacable, senectoflatulocrat online http://expita.com/nomime.html http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
mouse wheel workspace switcher?
Another subscriber on a LUG I follow asks : = = = = On my laptop running Ubuntu 8.04 I stumbled across a setting that lets me switch workspaces using the mouse wheel when the pointer is on the background. I like this feature very much and would like it on my desktop Fedora 9 also. Now I can't find where I made the setting on Ubuntu nor on Fedora. Anyone recognize the feature and know where the setting is found? = = = = It so happens that I have had that, or something it sounds like, happen to me a time or two -- and been infuriated. So I hope very much that someone here can name it, and maybe tell where it is or how to install/uninstall it (if it's one part of some package); then he can delight in it, and I can delight in being safe from it. TIA! -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: mouse wheel workspace switcher?
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:47:49 +, g wrote: [...] >> 'control center > desktop > behavior > general > mouse button actions' > > also, should have mentioned, if right button is set for 'desktop menu', > you can get there quicker. Thanks, I passed that back; but I don't even find control center; is that something in KDE? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Alpine prospects??
On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:13:29 +, Beartooth wrote: > As many here must know, U Washington laid off some large number of the > Pine/Alpine team last May. Now there is talk, in some places online, of > UW dropping all support for this superb software. There is a new post on gmane.mail.alpine.info (which reflects the alpine list at http://www.washington.edu/alpine/alpine-info/) from Steve Hubert, in the name of the alpine team, responding to a post from Robert Holtzman titled "alpine status." It says there will be a new release soon, and that UW will remain the primary source, "but shift our effort from direct development into more of a consultation and coordination role to help integrate contributions from the community." Sounds to me like they've been studying Fedora or something like it -- and may soon be inviting others to help code. Strength to their arms! -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora Crawler (Custom Google Search Engine)
On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:27:46 -0500, Renich Bon Ciric wrote: > I made a custom google search engine called "Fedora Crawler". > > Fedora Crawler looks in the mailing list archives, manuals, wiki, > fedoraUnity sites and redhat's manuals... so, it's easy to look for > fedora related info here. > > If anybody interested in using it or collaborating, just apply @ > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=011057779923588025604%3Aakrqpglozlu > > Well, just telling you so you know. I hope you don't consider this SPAM > or anything... just a community service. -- > Renich Bon Ciric > http://www.woralelandia.com/ On the contrary, I for one need something like this, and will certainly try it out; I find some of those sources impenetrably difficult to use out of the box. Question: you offer a script for putting the FC on my web page; I don't have a web page, nor feel the need of one -- but I do run browsers, and would like to add it to them. I hope you plan to create an extension for Firefox, and maybe others ... -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F 9 problems to install
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:29:38 +0200, Per Anton Ronning wrote: > THIS HAPPENS: > from root: setup > The box "Choose a Tool" comes up, at the bottom I find "X configuration" > > Running this option I see a flash of the text "Cannot find X ..:" before > the screen goes black and "out of range" appears. Esc brings me back to > the toolbox. > > from root - startx: > No devices detected > No screens found > and a message telling "unable to connect to X server" > [...] >> My 22" CHIMEI CMV223D >> LCD screen went black and the message "out of range" appeared, >> according to the vendor this means that it has got a signal which it is >> unable to process. The display driver is NVIDIA GeForce 9600GT. >> > It didn't halt - it switched to the GUI display, but your monitor could > not display the video it was receiving. > >> From the Linux Format forum I got the tip to boot at runlevel 3, >> which I did, and then I reached the login prompt. Since the >> installation procedure did not ask me to specify a user name (blank was >> not recognized) I logged on to root. which went OK. Now things seemed >> normal in character mode. >> I typed "setup" and got a setup which included X. I tried to configure, >> but the display driver models did not include CHIMEI or CMV223D >> anywhere, so then I thought I would have to try at random. [...] > The display driver is for the video card, NOT the monitor. [...] > Boot into run level 3, and run setup again, or run > system-config-display. I had a lot of trouble, and got heaps of invaluable advice here, with the display on a different (HP) 22" LCD monitor, and I think a different video card, back in June. I'm not sure exactly how similar the situations are, but that "out of range" message and the others got woefully familiar for a while -- and they were all eventually licked. If you haven't gotten it whupped in the meanwhile, you might want to skim through threads here that I started during June and that look relevant -- one on F9 display iirc, one called "Wide, flat, and weird," and one or two more. Look mainly at the responses, and try some of the things they suggested to me to try. init3 and system-config-display, which you've already gotten, were in there; so iirc was a lot of editing of /etc/X11/xorg.conf Hint: in case you're following the list by email, do "yum install pan," set pan to get news.gmane.org, and take a look at gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general, which is this same list served up for your newsreader (Pan, probably 0.132 or 0.133). That makes it easy to sort and re-sort several ways, has a good search function, and is very good for skimming. You can also "watch" (i.e., highlight) threads. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; nine (count 'em -- nine) different browsers Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F 9 problems to install
On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:56:40 +0200, Per Anton Ronning wrote: [...] > That's right, it appears at the bottom of the screen, where you can > choose between Gnome and KDE. It did not catch my eye until you > mentioned it. > (My eyes stand in the way of eyesight) So, I chose KDE, but it did not > take effect. I still got the Gnome desktop after login. Are you using yum, pirut, or gpk (gnome-packagekit) to add and remove software, or some combination? On one machine recently, I found at an early stage that pirut showed KDE not installed at all; but I use Konqueror, K3B, and one or two others often. So I told it to install it; I could swear all I did was checkmark KDE and go through its list of options, as I've always done. I have taken to rebooting fairly often when I do much adding & removing, as a precaution -- if anything awful happens that will only show up on a reboot, then I see it while I remember what I'd been doing. It paid off heavily in this instance : I couldn't get to gnome! I did get to pirut, and discovered that all of gnome had somehow gotten unchecked. I also made triple sure before closing pirut that both KDE and Gnome were checked, and that I had switchdesk. (Pirut is no longer the default for add/remove in F9; another alternative is synaptic.) -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??
My #1 machine (with F9 on one hard drive, and XP (to run topo maps) on the other) won't do anything; it doesn't even turn its little blue light on. This *could* be my doing. Fool that I was, I went and fiddled with what I had in sys-config-network, or whatever its name is, and also edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Logging out and in didn't do what I was trying to. I clicked on reboot, meaning while I was at it to go into the XP drive long enough to update the virus software. It hung up, early in the reboot sequence -- just starting to shut down, in fact, iirc. Reset button did nothing; power button did nothing; I pulled the plug, and walked away. When I came back, nothing I could do would make it so much as turn its blue lights (nor, afaict, a fan) on. The UPS is on, and running both the monitor and a laptop. I tried moving the power cable to a different outlet on the back of the UPS; that didn't help either. Has the whole machine chosen this odd moment to die the death? (They do always choose odd moments, don't they?) Or is there hope? Btw, I don't speak hardware; but I have a very capable young friend who is just getting into the business of making computer house calls; I have emailed him,and he'll reply eventually. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 7 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2, Epiphany 2, Opera 9, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??
On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:14:36 +, g wrote: >> It hung up, early in the reboot sequence -- just starting >> to shut down, in fact, iirc. Reset button did nothing; power button did >> nothing; I pulled the plug, and walked away. > > never just pull a power cord, unless that is only way to remove power. > if it is, pull *fast* by _plug_, _never_by_cord. I thought I had implied that it was indeed the only way, or the only way I knew; what else is there, when neither the power switch nor the reset button do anything, but to cut the power? No power cord I've ever seen could be pulled fast from anything I ever plugged it into -- not by my hands, nor by anyone else's I know. You must be fantastically strong. Would it be better to turn the UPS off?? The monitor, and another computer, are plugged into that same UPS. > you need to pull fast to cut down arcing that is caused between plug and > receptacle. arcing causes a current rush which can be very harmful, and > damage a power supply. [...] The young friend was here yesterday evening, and concluded immediately that the power supply was dead. Maybe it did arc somewhere; odd that that hasn't happened before. I've been pulling power cords, in such circumstances, for donkey's years -- as fast as I could, to be sure, but that's far from fast. The dead power supply is a type we can't get around here. But the friend who built that computer is in process of building another, to replace my wife's present antique, using an identical case; I've emailed him to ask for a second power supply when he ships it, and the young friend here will be able to get it in for me. When I say I don't speak hardware, I do so because that's the strongest way I know to put the fact: even before there was any question of trifocal fingers and arthritic eyeballs, what I know of computer hardware would go in a gnat's eye, and never discommode the gnat. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:37:15 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 15:14 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: >> At least on my laptop, running Fedora 9 with KDE, clicking the >> NetworkManager icon in the tray immediately shows me the available >> networks, just as in Fedora 8. I never need to manually specify an >> SSID. Easy and powerful. > > Likewise, here with 9 and using Gnome. I wonder a couple of things: > Whether the original poster has tried both right clicking and left > clicking on the network manager icon. And whether they're trying to use > access points that aren't broadcasting their SSID (which is a complete > waste of time). I have to be missing something here. Why do the wireless settings on my router allow me a separate choice whether to broadcast SSID, if one that isn't doing it is useless?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:12:25 +, g wrote:
> Beartooth wrote:
>
>> I thought I had implied that it was indeed the only way, or the
>
> you did, but you failed to mention 2 computers on same ups. [see below]
That was probably a red herring and a brain fart, actually; the
second is a laptop -- there at the moment, because I'm finishing up an
install. It doesn't live there.
>> No power cord I've ever seen could be pulled fast from anything I
>
> not a matter of strength. 'fast' instead of 'slow'. also, there you go
> using 'power cord'. 'power cord plug', never by 'power cord'. [i know, i
> am just trying to maintain a way thinking to doing]
I don't understand the terminological quibble. (I do pull by the
plug, not the cord.) What I'm trying to say is that the power cords I
have plug so deep and so tightly into both ends that the only way to
remove one is to wiggle it, gaining perhaps 1/5 mm per wiggle. That
consumes several seconds.
>> Would it be better to turn the UPS off?? The monitor, and another
>> computer, are plugged into that same UPS.
>
> i guess i am just 'old school' on that one. i use 1 ups for 'playstation
> computer', 1 ups for 'file server' computer. 'external server',
> 'firewall server' and 'router server' are on single ups until i can
> afford 2 more ups. [see below]
My wife's computer, downstairs, has its own UPS. The three PCs
that live at my desk have one each; an extra, like the laptop, gets added
into the biggest. The monitor is also connected to the biggest.
>> The young friend was here yesterday evening, and concluded immediately
>> that the power supply was dead. Maybe it did arc somewhere;
>
> did you try known good power cord? even with pulling 'power cord plug',
> wiring connections to plug can go bad just from handling.
I had gotten one out, but he arrived early. I have now; no joy.
Also, plugging or unplugging (not both, I just disremember which)
made a faint sound, which he called typical of bad power supply even
before he took the lid off.
> maybe law of averages caught up to you. maybe it was just it's time.
>
>> odd that that hasn't happened before. I've been pulling power cords, in
>
> {below}
> give thought to 1 power strip with a switch per computer when running
> more than one computer on a single ups. then you will not have to pull
> 'power cord plug'. unless switch on strip goes bad.
Good idea. I wondered why they put those switches there ... And I
do have spares.
> also, i do hope you are running 'apcups' or 'nut' on both computers.
I install nut on each machine, but haven't gotten around to
learning yet how to connect it up and use it. When we get power failures,
I just go around and shut down each machine, then its UPS.
>> The dead power supply is a type we can't get around here.
>
> open cover to see if fuse is blown. hopefully it would blow if problem
> was a current surge. if fuse is blown, ask young friend to check diodes
> to see if one or more of them shorted. also note if any resistors are
> discoloured.
I'll forward this post to him shortly; thanks!
> if your friend lucks out and finds such is case and able to repair, ask
> him to add a switch. lacking of a switch is one more 'screw thee'
> attitudes of oem.
Hmmm ... I have had machines -- eom machines, actually, with a
second power switch on the back. The friend who assembles ones for me
hasn't been doing that ...
>
>> of trifocal fingers and arthritic eyeballs, what I know of computer
>> hardware would go in a gnat's eye, and never discommode the gnat.
>
> lol. not your disabilities, but you phrasing.
I work on it; incidentally, the original Reverend Spooner enjoyed
spoonerisms, and collected them. His favorite, uttered in disapprobation
to a pupil, went "Mr. X, you have hissed all my mystery lectures, and
tasted two whole worms."
> good luck to your recovering system.
Thanks again!
--
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Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:51:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 16:07 +, Beartooth wrote: >> The young friend was here yesterday evening, and concluded immediately >> that the power supply was dead. Maybe it did arc somewhere; odd that >> that hasn't happened before. > Not at all. Power supplies can die after a while like everything else, > even when on a UPS. Silly question: is your UPS properly grounded? Well, all of my UPSs (iirc) are wired by the maker (APC) to complain if not; this particular one, a duplicate of what my computer shop uses, would probably do its celebrated imitation of a fire engine in a fight to the death with an ambulance if it found itself ungrounded. It wakes me up easily if we have a power failure in the night -- and I sleep on the floor above. >> The dead power supply is a type we can't get around here. > > If you mean the brand then I wouldn't worry about it. They are all > pretty standard (and are also liable to fail after a few years). The last couple Dave has assembled are in what he calls toaster boxes, which are designed to be stacked; that saves desk space wonderfully. But the inside, when the local friend got the lid off, looked utterly unlike any I've seen before; and the local friend didn't try to pretend I'd be able to replace the part when it comes. I suspect it's the external geometry rather than the specs that we have to match. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:20:20 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 20:56 +, Beartooth wrote: >> Well, all of my UPSs (iirc) are wired by the maker (APC) to complain if >> not; this particular one, a duplicate of what my computer shop uses, >> would probably do its celebrated imitation of a fire engine in >> a fight to the death with an ambulance if it found itself ungrounded. >> It >> wakes me up easily if we have a power failure in the night -- and I >> sleep >> on the floor above. > > Well of course ungrounded doesn't mean disconnected. I have an APC model > and IIRC its reaction to a faulty ground is to turn a status light > yellow instead of green. Of course yours may be different. Well, old mountain man from back of beyond that I am, I have known people think I might could exaggerate a tad bit at times ... Anyway, the only time I ever see any light turn yellow, or even blink, is when I power one up after having had it off. (I turn them off during power failures, and do that plus unplug the whole shebang from the wall any time I expect to be away overnight or longer.) -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 7, 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2, Epiphany 2, Opera 9, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
F7 on EeePC : how to connect??
I have what I think is one of the earliest EeePCs; a label on the back says ASUS 701 -- model number?? After a lot of trouble, I got it to triple-boot Puppy, Eeedora, and Fedora 8, two of them from geek sticks. Then when I tried using them all, I soon found that for anyone with large trifocal fingers and arthritic eyeballs, about its only worthwhile use would be sitting in waiting rooms. So I fitted it and its peripheral paraphernalia into a suitable receptacle, and kept that handy. But it happened that I had no occasion to use it for several weeks. When I did, the battery had gone dead, just sitting there. Once I got it usable at all again, two of the three boots were unusable, and the other was my least favorite. Yesterday I installed Fedora 7, from a live CD in an external USB drive -- twice. After the second install, which wouldn't boot, I tried booting it with the puppy stick inserted -- and it booted, but to Fedora. But it can't seem to find the ethernet cable which is plugged right into it. (Come to think of it, anaconda never asked me its usual routine questions about connecting.) How do I get the fool thing to connect?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 7, 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2, Epiphany 2, Opera 9, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F7 on EeePC : how to connect??
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:59:13 -0700, Roopnarine, Peter wrote: > Even though you might have an older eee PC model, I suggest that you > install Fedora 9 on it. Even Fedora 8 is lacking suitable drivers. Hmm I hadn't thought of the driver question. I do remember that getting F8 to run on it was one helluva lot of work ... > I > recently used liveusb creator to download and install Fedora 9-KDE on an > eee PC 4G. The live boot worked fine and the machine networked instantly > with a DHCP connection via LAN cable. I installed from the live desktop, > using the default partition scheme, and everything was fine upon reboot. I'm not sure I even made a liveCD for F9; I had enough trouble getting usable install media burned. But I'm trying an upgrade now, and if that fails, I'll try a fresh install next. The reason I tried F7 was that I have an older PC, which had run both F7 and F8 fine, and which seemed to have taken to F9 as well, till it suddenly seemed to die. I thought my hard drive was kaputt. But then a young friend who speaks hardware, and works on computers for a living, brought his whole toolkit over. At his behest, I ran DBAN, then installed F7; it took at once, several weeks ago, and still seems fine. > I then instrall kmod-madwifi package, and after another reboot, wireless > was up and running. I travel a lot, and I have to say that my experience > with the capabilities and convenience of the eee PC are very different > from yours. I am able to do a lot of work remotely, but I even have the > Gimp installed on the thing. Is kmod-madwifi something I can run under Gnome, or do I need a different package? I don't doubt it's a good machine; but I'll give long odds your fingers are smaller and more agile, and your eyes sharper, than mine. I can't manage a touchpad, if that's the name for such things, on a big laptop, let alone this one. It'll do me for waiting in doctors' offices, etc. -- and be small enough to take to such places. But even with a mouse, I can't keep at it physically for more than an hour or so. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 7, 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2, Epiphany 2, Opera 9, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F7 on EeePC : how to connect?? -- SOLVED
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:27:04 +, I Beartooth wrote: > On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:59:13 -0700, Roopnarine, Peter wrote: > >> Even though you might have an older eee PC model, I suggest that you >> install Fedora 9 on it. Even Fedora 8 is lacking suitable drivers. > I'm not sure I even made a liveCD for F9; I had enough trouble > getting usable install media burned. But I'm trying an upgrade now, and > if that fails, I'll try a fresh install next. [...] It took a very long time -- it was still running when I went to bed -- but it did the upgrade -- and booted up connected. I told it yum update before I stopped to think that I hadn't ever customized F7; so there'll be a lot of stuff to uninstall. (Anybody know a way to run pirut under F9? It can be done -- one of my F9 machines has it -- but "yum install pirut" fails, saying that gnome-packagekit is already installed ..) It has been running that update for several hours now, during which I've come upon the warnings at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EeePc; but I plan to let it complete anyway, do the uninstalls (with packagekit if need be; I'm a lot more accustomed to pirut), and run yum update again. Many thanks for your good advice! -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 7, 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2, Epiphany 2, Opera 9, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
F9 EeePC add/remove trouble
When I clidk on the add/remove software launcher in the panel, I get a window way bigger than my screen -- so big that even moving it around enough to click where I need takes fancy tricks. Trying to unmaximize is no help. Do I need to run system-config-display?? Other windows behave ... -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 7, 8 & 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2, Epiphany 2, Opera 9, Firefox 2 & 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
