Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Tuesday 19 August 2008 23:09:48 Ric Moore wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 20:02 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: you can get a root password on Kubuntu as well if you hate sudo :) http://www.ubuntugeek.com/enable-and-disable-ubuntu-root-password.html $ sudo passwd root One of my students told me that after I told him that I hated sudo :), he told me you can run like you in your beloved Fedora. It does not have to be sudo ? I already got that done. I mean having a real root session at login. During my multiuser days, 'users' could not install programs, configure email, etc. 'root' did that by design and that happens to be what I'm used to, security-wise. A 'user' as 'almost root' is somewhat disconcerting. Ric On the EeePC (xandros, deb based) I did set up root, but still some things can only be done with sudo :-( Maybe it is fixable, but I find it very annoying. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Ric Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. It has. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Sucks for you. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. What does RedHat have to do with this? As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. Interesting opinion, I can't say I understand it. I'd argue you have done more damage. I'm willing to put together a few points if you're interested. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. Gnome actually is pretty nice, not that I would use it full time... or by Linux desktop did you mean the K Desktop environment? The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgment. How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having what they want when they want it. You STILL labeling people again?? Yes, why do you ask? -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 15:43 -0600, linuxguy wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgement. I've got vanilla KDE 3.5.4 on my new CentOS install, rock solid, got all the multimedia libs I could want, so far nothing breaks, it works like I want. I also installed Kubuntu. I have to be careful not to apt-get any KDE package that smells like ver.4 just to make sure that doesn't get drug into my system. Kubuntu does get under my nerves without a root login to a root desktop. But, it IS slick. Ric -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Ric Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ric Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 7:50 PM On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 15:43 -0600, linuxguy wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgement. I've got vanilla KDE 3.5.4 on my new CentOS install, rock solid, got all the multimedia libs I could want, so far nothing breaks, it works like I want. I also installed Kubuntu. I have to be careful not to apt-get any KDE package that smells like ver.4 just to make sure that doesn't get drug into my system. Kubuntu does get under my nerves without a root login to a root desktop. But, it IS slick. Ric -- you can get a root password on Kubuntu as well if you hate sudo :) http://www.ubuntugeek.com/enable-and-disable-ubuntu-root-password.html $ sudo passwd root One of my students told me that after I told him that I hated sudo :), he told me you can run like you in your beloved Fedora. It does not have to be sudo ? humor sudo in Spanish means I sweat alot :( /humor Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. It has. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Sucks for you. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. What does RedHat have to do with this? As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. Interesting opinion, I can't say I understand it. I'd argue you have done more damage. I'm willing to put together a few points if you're interested. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. Gnome actually is pretty nice, not that I would use it full time... or by Linux desktop did you mean the K Desktop environment? The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgment. How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having what they want when they want it. You STILL labeling people again?? Linuxguy, you also could stand to self-examine your verbiage before you hit send. I usually put my really good rants into Drafts, and wait a day or so before I hit send. Some were Grade-A Doseys too. Scorched everyone and their Dogs. I deleted 'em all too, after further examination by the light of a new day. grins hugely Ric -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler at chello.at writes: Don't worry, 4.1 is coming soon. But flaming us on the mailing lists won't make it come any sooner! (Personally, it even makes me want to intentionally delay it to make you suffer, I'm that kind of person. :-p But luckily for you, I want to provide the best experience for users who _aren't_ posting flames like this and we have no way to provide updates only for nice users. Been watching this with a wry smile probably like many quiet Fedora users who generally remain silent, try to work with the excellent facilities that the developers create in response to positive feedback, and get to have the best operating system and safe secure software available on the planet! The grumblers should remember the history of Linux and Fedora, and think about how we have slowly gone from a totally MS dominated computer world to one in which a very significant minority now use exclusively linux on their machines... but it has been a long and far from easy road. We have a superb and continually developing set of choices that we don't have to pay for and occasionally policy decisions mean that there is a delay before the latest and greatest components of our systems are fully working. I was aware of the time needed before KDE4 became fully functional - and in the meantime I am using Gnome but testing KDE in F9 in a matter of weeks the KDE4 system will be very functional, and will be further developed and fine tuned. Despite the flame baiting going on here I expect that the majority of KDE users are out there being patient, with some testing and feeding back useful information so that the developers can fix bugs that arise sooner rather than later we owe it to the developers to help fix things - it is a community effort, so for those of us that download and use and who pay no money we should remember it is part of what we owe to help the testing process if we are not capable of being a developer ourselves. Complaining and making negative comments will not get things moving any faster and just annoys the developers. However I am quite sure that the developers and packagers do know that the majority of users are being patient and not making a lot of noise - and indeed are very appreciative of the efforts that are made with limited resources in getting these fantastic new packages out as best they can and in as timely a fashion as it is physically possible with the non-infinite resource base Keep it up guys - I am one who does appreciate how things move forward. Of course anyone who really cannot wait for KDE4.1+ can always opt to pay for MS products if they think that is a better option! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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Keep it up guys - I am one who does appreciate how things
move forward.
I second your comment :) It is becoming better, not yet at a comfort level,
still missing the Digital Clock from KDE 3.5.X, but it is working better and it
is coming around.
Of course anyone who really cannot wait for KDE4.1+ can
always opt to pay
for MS products if they think that is a better option!
Nah, why pay for them, when you can get them for free^{1}.
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and works like the original, just is not the original, but it will work!
Regards,
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Keep it up guys - I am one who does appreciate how
things
move forward.
I second your comment :) It is becoming better, not yet at
a comfort level, still missing the Digital Clock from KDE
3.5.X, but it is working better and it is coming around.
I better clarify the comfort level part. Not as comfortable as I would be if
using KDE 3.5.X because I cannot customize it like I did before. I cannot put
a quicklaunch like I did before with previous KDE. I can't get the old LCD
clock that I liked very much but it is not there :(
That is why I mean by comfort level.
It is very workable. Okular is excellent :) It(KDE 4.X) is coming around.
Great work KDE developers. I apologize ahead of time, if I sounded pessimistic
in previous threads. On F9, I use GNOME, but on rawhide, I am using KDE :) I
am seeing the progress.
Of course anyone who really cannot wait for KDE4.1+
can
always opt to pay
for MS products if they think that is a better option!
Nah, why pay for them, when you can get them for free^{1}.
--
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seems like the original and works like the original, just is
not the original, but it will work!
Regards,
Antonio
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Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
Mike wrote: Of course anyone who really cannot wait for KDE4.1+ can always opt to pay for MS products if they think that is a better option! Or Apple, where there is at least some indication of an effort to make sure all the parts work together before shipping. And it will run pretty much all of your free software too. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 05:22 -0600, linuxguy wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 14:30 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 16:38 -0600, linuxguy wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgment. How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having what they want when they want it. The fact that you refer to common Linux users like myself as freeloaders who bitch demonstrates a big part of this and other problems within the Linux community. Keep it up. Linux adoption will stay at 1% for another 10 years. If the price of 10% adoption rate is exponential increase in the number of bitch-and-moan-while-doing-nothing-to-help like the OP, I'll take 1% market share any time, any date. (But that's me...) do nothing to help people are the majority of computer users. They don't expect to have to WORK on an operating system. They expect it to just work for them. You are lucky that I bitch an moan. I'm really just the messenger for the vast majority of potential Linux users out there. 99% of the other people heard messages like If the price of 10% adoption is... from Linux people like yourself and decided they didn't want to be insulted and then chose not to be involved in the Linux community. The Fedora and KDE communities shipped an operating system in which basic functionality like drag and drop and Kget doesn't work. They didn't clearly warn people about things like this. And you expect people to not complain ? I think its time the Fedora community took a long hard look at itself. Linux IS ready for the desktop. Or at least it was with KDE 3.5.9. Some of the Linux community, however, is not. If you do not understand the difference between constructive input, bug reports and testing and you owe me!!! / I want KDE 4.1/3.5.9 NOW!!! type of messages, I doubt that I can do anything to persuade differently. (Beyond adding yet another name to my growing troll filter). Beyond that, I'm not we; and I greatly doubt that you represent anyone beside yourself. Your assumptions that you know what I/we/Fedora wants/targets, and therefore we (???) are lucky to have you on-board, coupled with your you owe me/where's my attitude, is simply amusing. Oh, and having been a Windows developer for many years (and spent many years in Windows developer ML's) I can only laugh at your ready-for-the-desktop comment. But that's another issue all-together. In the OSS world, those who do the work get to make the decisions. You want KDE 3.5.9 on F9? Great, stop wasting our time and start packaging. - Gilboa -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Saturday 16 August 2008 18:19:22 Mike wrote: I was aware of the time needed before KDE4 became fully functional - and in the meantime I am using Gnome but testing KDE in F9 in a matter of weeks the KDE4 system will be very functional, and will be further developed and fine tuned. :-) Now how on earth did you know that? After all, we are constantly being told that the problems were kept a dark secret :-) Seriously, though, I would expect anyone with a ha'porth of gumption to do some reading before installing anything. Clearly there are many who think that that's too much effort. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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On Saturday 16 August 2008 18:25:48 Antonio Olivares wrote: I second your comment :) It is becoming better, not yet at a comfort level, still missing the Digital Clock from KDE 3.5.X, but it is working better and it is coming around. I doubt if it is the same, but I'm pretty sure someone has done a digital clock plasmoid. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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On Saturday 16 August 2008 18:31:25 Antonio Olivares wrote: Keep it up guys - I am one who does appreciate how things move forward. I second your comment :) It is becoming better, not yet at a comfort level, still missing the Digital Clock from KDE 3.5.X, but it is working better and it is coming around. I better clarify the comfort level part. Not as comfortable as I would be if using KDE 3.5.X because I cannot customize it like I did before. I cannot put a quicklaunch like I did before with previous KDE. I can't get the old LCD clock that I liked very much but it is not there :( That is why I mean by comfort level. Most of the customisation is possible in 4.1, though sometimes it takes a little lateral thinking to get it. For those that want it, for instance, it is possible to define a folder view that points to Desktop, run it at full screen, and add Trash and Home icons and anything else they want to feel at home. It is very workable. Okular is excellent :) It(KDE 4.X) is coming around. Great work KDE developers. I apologize ahead of time, if I sounded pessimistic in previous threads. On F9, I use GNOME, but on rawhide, I am using KDE :) I am seeing the progress. I'm not running rawhide, but I first installed 4.0 from rawhide before F9 came out. The speed at which it has improved has been, I think, impressive. If Fedora had decided not to go with it in F9 there would have been howls of anger that other distros had 4.x and Fedora doesn't. They cant win. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
--- On Sat, 8/16/08, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 11:53 AM On Saturday 16 August 2008 18:25:48 Antonio Olivares wrote: I second your comment :) It is becoming better, not yet at a comfort level, still missing the Digital Clock from KDE 3.5.X, but it is working better and it is coming around. I doubt if it is the same, but I'm pretty sure someone has done a digital clock plasmoid. Anne If you know of a plasmoid with a digital clock that matches/resembles the old LCD clock of KDE 3.5.X, I would be honored!:) That was one of the reasons of liking KDE, this new clock looks like the GNOME clock, which I am used to also, but if I could just have the old clock, I'd be very grateful and thankful! Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
Antonio Olivares wrote:
Keep it up guys - I am one who does appreciate how things
move forward.
I second your comment :) It is becoming better, not yet at a comfort level, still missing the Digital Clock from KDE 3.5.X, but it is working better and it is coming around.
Of course anyone who really cannot wait for KDE4.1+ can
always opt to pay
for MS products if they think that is a better option!
Nah, why pay for them, when you can get them for free^{1}.
--
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and works like the original, just is not the original, but it will work!
Cracked versions can include software you wouldn't want running on your
network.
-Max
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Max: Cracked versions can include software you wouldn't want running on your network. And never mind just plain broken software... Antonio Olivares: What software is that? Trojans, viruses, and whatnot? You don't seriously expect us to believe that you weren't aware of that possibility? Is it from Microsoft that checks if your version of Windows is not legal? Can you share what you know. I have some friends that run these kinds of windows. This way I can warn them to move over to Linux with convincing arguments :) If some hacker has stolen some software, it's obvious that they have no regard for other's rights, so why should they have any regard for whom they pass the stolen software on to? Though it's not unknown for original software to contain nasty surprises. Quite apart from the shovelware stuffed onto some OEM systems, there's been cases of compromised install discs. And my brand new Asus laptop came complete with a trojan. Looking at it, and the reports, the cheapskates cracked WinRar rather than pay for it, included the cracked version of WinRar on the install, as well as the trojaned tool that they used to crack it. Then, to ice the cake, they also included some NDA stuff from Microsoft to OEMs. ;-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 14:30 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 16:38 -0600, linuxguy wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgment. How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having what they want when they want it. The fact that you refer to common Linux users like myself as freeloaders who bitch demonstrates a big part of this and other problems within the Linux community. Keep it up. Linux adoption will stay at 1% for another 10 years. If the price of 10% adoption rate is exponential increase in the number of bitch-and-moan-while-doing-nothing-to-help like the OP, I'll take 1% market share any time, any date. (But that's me...) do nothing to help people are the majority of computer users. They don't expect to have to WORK on an operating system. They expect it to just work for them. You are lucky that I bitch an moan. I'm really just the messenger for the vast majority of potential Linux users out there. 99% of the other people heard messages like If the price of 10% adoption is... from Linux people like yourself and decided they didn't want to be insulted and then chose not to be involved in the Linux community. The Fedora and KDE communities shipped an operating system in which basic functionality like drag and drop and Kget doesn't work. They didn't clearly warn people about things like this. And you expect people to not complain ? I think its time the Fedora community took a long hard look at itself. Linux IS ready for the desktop. Or at least it was with KDE 3.5.9. Some of the Linux community, however, is not. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
linuxguy wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 14:30 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: If the price of 10% adoption rate is exponential increase in the number of bitch-and-moan-while-doing-nothing-to-help like the OP, I'll take 1% market share any time, any date. (But that's me...) do nothing to help people are the majority of computer users. They don't expect to have to WORK on an operating system. They expect it to just work for them. You are lucky that I bitch an moan. I'm really just the messenger for the vast majority of potential Linux users out there. 99% of the other people heard messages like If the price of 10% adoption is... from Linux people like yourself and decided they didn't want to be insulted and then chose not to be involved in the Linux community. The Fedora and KDE communities shipped an operating system in which basic functionality like drag and drop and Kget doesn't work. They didn't clearly warn people about things like this. And you expect people to not complain ? I think its time the Fedora community took a long hard look at itself. Linux IS ready for the desktop. Or at least it was with KDE 3.5.9. Some of the Linux community, however, is not. One thing you seem to be missing is that Fedora is not aimed at new users or users that do not want to tinker with things. If you want a system that you can just use then you should be looking at another distribution. One of the best things about Linux is that you have choices. Part of the choice is picking a distribution that meets your needs. Do not expect all Linux distributions to be the same, or try to be all things to all people. Fedora is a distribution that tries new things. Sometimes it breaks things. If you are after a stable distribution, and the installation being supported for a long time, you are not going to like Fedora. What your complaint sounds like is that Fedora is not providing you with what you want. This is understandable. The goals of Fedora are not your goals. But you are wrong to expect Fedora to change to match your goals. You are better off finding a distribution that has the goals you want. It is a mistake to assume that all distributions have the same goals, or to expect them to. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 6:22 AM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 14:30 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 16:38 -0600, linuxguy wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgment. How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having what they want when they want it. The fact that you refer to common Linux users like myself as freeloaders who bitch demonstrates a big part of this and other problems within the Linux community. Keep it up. Linux adoption will stay at 1% for another 10 years. If the price of 10% adoption rate is exponential increase in the number of bitch-and-moan-while-doing-nothing-to-help like the OP, I'll take 1% market share any time, any date. (But that's me...) do nothing to help people are the majority of computer users. I am pretty sure the majority of computer users pay. Paying is a lot of help. They don't expect to have to WORK on an operating system. Why not, or don't you realize that paying for it is equivalent? You can either pay, take it for free and help, or take it for free and understand that beggars aren't' choosers. They expect it to just work for them. And which operating system is that? You are lucky that I bitch an moan. How about we hire someone to start beating you with a stick every time you say something we say is stupid. Would you feel lucky? I'm really just the messenger for the vast majority of potential Linux users out there. 99% of the other people heard messages like If the price of 10% adoption is... from Linux people like yourself and decided they didn't want to be insulted and then chose not to be involved in the Linux community. Fuck em. Seriously, I speak for myself, and you can quote me on that. Why would I want to encourage my own abusers? The Fedora and KDE communities shipped an operating system in which basic functionality like drag and drop and Kget doesn't work. KDE doesn't ship operating systems. It would be at least less annoying, and closer to being constructive if your complaints are accurate. Kget is by no means a critical utility, i've been using KDE for years and have only tried it once. And I don' know what kind of drag and drop your using that doesn't work. They didn't clearly warn people about things like this. Being ignorant doesn't mean they didn't warn. There were, without exaggeration, dozens of announcements, and articles before, during and after the release. And you expect people to not complain ? There is a difference between constructive complaints and bitching. Everyone wants the former. I think its time the Fedora community took a long hard look at itself. Linux IS ready for the desktop. Or at least it was with KDE 3.5.9. Which has not magically disappeared into the ether. If you weren't willing to deal with the issues, you should have stayed with KDE 3.5. Souds like KDE isn't going to be ready for you till 4.5 Some of the Linux community, however, is not. Agreed. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
Arthur Pemberton wrote: If the price of 10% adoption rate is exponential increase in the number of bitch-and-moan-while-doing-nothing-to-help like the OP, I'll take 1% market share any time, any date. (But that's me...) do nothing to help people are the majority of computer users. I am pretty sure the majority of computer users pay. Paying is a lot of help. They do pay, but to Microsoft and Apple. I'm really just the messenger for the vast majority of potential Linux users out there. 99% of the other people heard messages like If the price of 10% adoption is... from Linux people like yourself and decided they didn't want to be insulted and then chose not to be involved in the Linux community. Fuck em. Seriously, I speak for myself, and you can quote me on that. Why would I want to encourage my own abusers? Because with free software, only a very small percentage of users will be both motivated and able to improve it. That means you need to encourage a very large user base to reach that small percentage that will matter for the future. They didn't clearly warn people about things like this. Being ignorant doesn't mean they didn't warn. There were, without exaggeration, dozens of announcements, and articles before, during and after the release. Really? Is there something on the fedora project page or the usual download locations saying not to use this release? Or something in the installer? Which has not magically disappeared into the ether. If you weren't willing to deal with the issues, you should have stayed with KDE 3.5. Souds like KDE isn't going to be ready for you till 4.5 How would a potential new user know this before installing and wiping out whatever they had that worked before? And having done that, how can you expect them not to complain? -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
Arthur Pemberton pemboa at gmail.com writes: How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having what they want when they want it. Can any core member of the KDE SIG confirm/deny regret? No regrets here, we knew we had to upgrade to KDE 4 sooner or later, so why not now? Fedora is a fast-moving distribution for early adopters. We also knew KDE 4.1 would hit F9 updates months before the F8 EOL, which is what's happening now (it's already in updates-testing), so people unhappy with 4.0 can simply stick with F8 until KDE 4.1 gets pushed out to stable. And if people are still unhappy with 4.1, then they might well not become happy with any 4.x, and should be looking for an alternative. We surely can't sit on 3.5.x forever, KDE isn't going to support it forever. Trolltech already stopped supporting Qt 3 over a year ago! As for what other distributions are doing: Kubuntu is dropping KDE 3 in their next release (Intrepid Ibex, which will be out essentially at the same time as Fedora 10), it's already dropped from their equivalent of Rawhide. So we aren't the only ones moving to KDE 4 only, we just did it one version earlier because we considered it a huge waste of resources to attempt supporting parallel installation of KDE 3 and 4 for a single Fedora release only, when KDE 4.1 was around the corner anyway. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Kevin Kofler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arthur Pemberton pemboa at gmail.com writes: How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having what they want when they want it. Can any core member of the KDE SIG confirm/deny regret? No regrets here, we knew we had to upgrade to KDE 4 sooner or later, so why not now? Fedora is a fast-moving distribution for early adopters. We also knew KDE 4.1 would hit F9 updates months before the F8 EOL, which is what's happening now (it's already in updates-testing), so people unhappy with 4.0 can simply stick with F8 until KDE 4.1 gets pushed out to stable. And if people are still unhappy with 4.1, then they might well not become happy with any 4.x, and should be looking for an alternative. We surely can't sit on 3.5.x forever, KDE isn't going to support it forever. Trolltech already stopped supporting Qt 3 over a year ago! Some people may not like to hear this, but FC7 with KDE 3.5 works just fine for me on my desktop. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Thursday 14 August 2008 00:18, Francis Earl wrote: Still upset about being stuck with KDE4.0, LG It's in Fedora updates-testing. and has been for at least 2 weeks. You have the choice of using that or waiting until Rex can get it into the main repo including some bugfixes that have come out since he put those packages out. You might like to bear in mind that you pay nothing for any of this, and no-one is obliged to jump to your command. Anne -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Thursday 14 August 2008 00:41, Antonio Olivares wrote: I am actually surprised that it has not made its way over here, but it should soon :) It is, of course, Akademy week, and many people involved with KDE have been somewhat short of time recently. Anne -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
2008/8/13 linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The fact that you refer to common Linux users like myself as freeloaders who bitch demonstrates a big part of this and other problems within the Linux community. You are behaving like one. Keep it up. Linux adoption will stay at 1% for another 10 years. I have noticed that most of these mailing lists were MORE civil places to hang out BEFORE the massive influx of people who won't take the time to understand that about which they complain, yet complain as though they understand perfectly how it should be. I'd like to see more adoption, but not at the expense of the strengths that made Linux - the whole product / environment / community / whatever - useful. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 16:38 -0600, linuxguy wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgment. How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having what they want when they want it. The fact that you refer to common Linux users like myself as freeloaders who bitch demonstrates a big part of this and other problems within the Linux community. Keep it up. Linux adoption will stay at 1% for another 10 years. If the price of 10% adoption rate is exponential increase in the number of bitch-and-moan-while-doing-nothing-to-help like the OP, I'll take 1% market share any time, any date. (But that's me...) - Gilboa -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgement. Still upset about being stuck with KDE4.0, LG -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 15:43 -0600, linuxguy wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgement. Still upset about being stuck with KDE4.0, LG It's in Fedora updates-testing. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgement. Still upset about being stuck with KDE4.0, LG Why did you update to KDE 4.0? -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 15:43 -0600, linuxguy wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. It did ship at the end of July. You seem to be confusing the KDE release date with the Fedora release date. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. As has been said repeatedly on this list, you can install it from updates-testing and help make it better. I've been using it for over two weeks now with no significant problems (in fact I just checked and I installed it on July 31st). I just did: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing groupupdate KDE Maybe others have seen some issues and these are holding it back from updates, I really don't know, but as of now it's significantly better than 4.0. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:28 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgement. Still upset about being stuck with KDE4.0, LG Why did you update to KDE 4.0? 4.0 is what comes with F9. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. It has. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Sucks for you. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. What does RedHat have to do with this? As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. Interesting opinion, I can't say I understand it. I'd argue you have done more damage. I'm willing to put together a few points if you're interested. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. Gnome actually is pretty nice, not that I would use it full time... or by Linux desktop did you mean the K Desktop environment? The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgment. How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having what they want when they want it. Can any core member of the KDE SIG confirm/deny regret? Still upset about being stuck with KDE4.0, Has that helped make it get out of updates-testing and to updates any faster? LG Arthur -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:28 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgement. Still upset about being stuck with KDE4.0, LG Why did you update to KDE 4.0? let it die...even with 4.1 (at least from what I've seen from updates-testing), there's still feature regression which is the OP's complaint - and it's valid. some of us are willing to give KDE the benefit of the doubt and think that it will ultimately be a better desktop manager but griping was inevitable. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:28 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgement. Still upset about being stuck with KDE4.0, LG Why did you update to KDE 4.0? 4.0 is what comes with F9. F9 doesn't magically appear on ones machine. At least I had to manually do the upgrade/update. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgement. Still upset about being stuck with KDE4.0, LG It's in Fedora updates-testing. And it is on rawhide. I am actually surprised that it has not made its way over here, but it should soon :) -- Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 22:43:58 linuxguy wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. snip You can get it from updates-testing, then you can help make it even better. A fair few of us have helped finding some bugs to make it an even better release. The more help finding bugs and getting them fixed the faster it would be pushed to updates. As it stands now it is VERY good indeed, but I would say that being very kde biased :) -Colin -- Fedora 9 (Sulphur) Registered Linux user number #342953 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:28 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgement. Still upset about being stuck with KDE4.0, LG Why did you update to KDE 4.0? 4.0 is what comes with F9. F9 doesn't magically appear on ones machine. At least I had to manually do the upgrade/update. So perhaps you meant to ask why he upgraded to F9. Never mind. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgment. How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having what they want when they want it. The fact that you refer to common Linux users like myself as freeloaders who bitch demonstrates a big part of this and other problems within the Linux community. Keep it up. Linux adoption will stay at 1% for another 10 years. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 03:43:58PM -0600, linuxguy wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgement. Still upset about being stuck with KDE4.0, LG I disagree with this assessment of F9. I *have* had problems with Kongqueror, but overall, F9 is working really well for me. So much so that it has replaced both OpenBSD and FreeBSD as my main platform. I *will* be happy when kde 4.1 is running on F9. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:38 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgment. How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch about not having what they want when they want it. The fact that you refer to common Linux users like myself as freeloaders who bitch demonstrates a big part of this and other problems within the Linux community. Keep it up. Linux adoption will stay at 1% for another 10 years. Well I consider myself a freeloader as well. And I do not fear your Linux adoption will stay at 1% for another 10 years either. Nor do I see any reason to bring it up since you are doing no better yourself. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 18:43:58 linuxguy wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Say whatever you want about Fedora being bleeding edge, etc, but this is by far the worst release Fedora and Redhat has ever done. As far as I am concerned, the KDE team has knocked the credibility of Linux, Fedora and the KDE team itself way, way back. I am very disappointed with the current state of the Linux desktop as demonstrated in F9. The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed a huge lapse in judgement. Still upset about being stuck with KDE4.0, LG why don't you just enable updates-testing? or use kde-redhat repo! -- Armin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
linuxguy wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Actually, we pushed the big red button push to stable a few days ago at akademy, and then one more/last showstopper bug reared it's ugly head (I think we actually got it fixed today). You know the drill (or should by now), it's available, and has-been, for quite some time in updates-testing. If you choose not to take advantage of that, and you're upset, well, your angst seems misplaced. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 19:42 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: linuxguy wrote: Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. Actually, we pushed the big red button push to stable a few days ago at akademy, and then one more/last showstopper bug reared it's ugly head (I think we actually got it fixed today). You know the drill (or should by now), it's available, and has-been, for quite some time in updates-testing. If you choose not to take advantage of that, and you're upset, well, your angst seems misplaced. weird Rex...your e-mail set reply to gmane instead of fedora-list Anyway...I assume you got one of the free N810's and I am jealous (the kind of thing I would love to have but am too cheap to purchase myself) Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
Craig White wrote: Anyway...I assume you got one of the free N810's and I am jealous (the kind of thing I would love to have but am too cheap to purchase myself) I wish, sadly no, not so fortunate as having one of those in my hands. :) -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where the h%^^%$#! is KDE 4.1 ? Part II
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 20:04 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: Craig White wrote: Anyway...I assume you got one of the free N810's and I am jealous (the kind of thing I would love to have but am too cheap to purchase myself) I wish, sadly no, not so fortunate as having one of those in my hands. :) http://dot.kde.org/1218580876/ ;-( Nokia is not stupid but I would have thought that they would have found one for you. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
