date:20050307

Right now, I've split the cats up. But I think it will be only a temporary thing; at least until I have the other cats vaccinated and retested. I attempted to call my vet today to see her, but she is off until Wednesday. She thinks I should keep them separated permanently. I don't think she's got the input that I've gotten from people in the same situation as myself. Plus, I've been doing a lot of internet research and am stockpiling information on the topic. I can't break up my family, so I'm doing what I can.

I haven't had my vet check for the Hemobartonella bacteria, at least not that I'm aware of. My cat Thoris slightly anemic at this point, but he is eating and drinking again. He also seems more alert than he has in the past. I don't know if it's the meds or not. I don't like the possible side effects of the Retrovir, but I think it's helping. I'm not giving it to the otherkitten (Luna) who seems perfectly fine and crazy. I think I will stop with the Retrovir as soon as I think my older kitten (Thor) is back to "normal". I hope to meet or talk to my vet about my plan of action this week. I want her to know what I plan on doing even if she doesn't agree with me. I want her support. She is a great vet, maybe she doesn't know all that I've found out about the positives and negatives living together in harmony. 

I had my Thor on steroids, but I took him off. I don't want any conflicts of meds. Thanks for your support. It means a great deal.

Kristina

Melbeach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Kristina,

Ifeel your pain. I'm in a very similar situation. My female Brissle is 8 years old and suddenlygot very sick and tested positive with FeLV. She has had 2 negative tests during her life. Her twin brother still tests negative.I never missed her vaccines. She was bitten by a cat twice in her life- once a couple months ago. So either the vaccine didn't work or the two negatives were false. But false negatives arecommon, as I have now learned. The virus apparently can hide in the bone marrow. I really think vets need to do a better job of informing their patients that a negative test is merely inconclusive. I've never been informed of this - by any vet. Then again, if they did that, it may discourage people from adopting cats. It's a tough issue.

For what it's worth, I haven't separated my two. But I'm brand new at this myself. Manymight disagree with me. But I know they would be unhappy if split up and keeping the sick cat happy is important.

Is your cat anemic too? That's important to know. Also important, did the vet test for the Hemobartonella bacteria? In some cases, it is responsible for the symptoms. But that may just be for anemia? Someonemore knowledgeable maycorrect me on this. But if you look around, you will see that most people on this list are or have used the antibiotic Doxycycline.

I haven't heard of Retrovir. Right now, we are using Immunoregulin combined with human Interferon to helpboost the immune system. There is only very limited anecdotal information on their effectiveness. I think what people have found though is that every case differs. What works for one, doesn't workfor another. The most effective treatment to date is feline Interferon (Virbagen Omega, VO). Of course like anything else good, it's not available in the US. Some on the list have attained special emergency approval from the FDA. Your vet would need to apply. You many want to search the archives on this.

Here's a good source for the Immunoregulin: http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=31-020. EqStim is the same exact thing (same concentration), just marketed for horses, much cheaper though. And for human Interferon: http://www.islandpharmacy.com/.

Again, it's important to know if your cat is anemic. Many here highly recommended using steroid treatment for this. My vet vetoed it, based on side effects. But you'll really want to look at this. I've been told my cat will surely die if I don't use the steroids. So I may end up vetoing my vet on this.

I hope this helps. Sorry for your rotten luck.

-Kyle


- Original Message - 
From: Mrs. Kulak 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 12:55 PM
Subject: New To This

I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can.

First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side

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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:55:53 -0800 (PST)
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Lucy doesn't need surgery (probably)!

2005-03-07 Thread Lernermichelle

Lucy had her 30 day x-ray today, a little early, and her bladder stone is 
much, much smaller!  So the plan is to keep her on the food (S/D) and the meds 
(Clavamox, pred, and some Chinese herbs) and re-xray her in another 30 days. 
She 
is urinating less frequently and with less blood, so I think she is more 
comfortable (though she never really acted uncomfortable), but I was not 
allowing 
myself to hope! The vet said well, you deserve some good news every once in a 
while.  My horse Pepsi is doing worse, and I am still so grieved about 
Simon, so I am not feeling as elated as I should, but I am feeling somewhat 
elated 
and very grateful about Lucy.  I was so scared that getting surgery would 
trigger her virus.  There is still a small chance that the stone will not 
continue 
to dissolve all the way, because sometimes the outside is one kind of stone 
and the inside is another, but it dissolved so much that the vet thinks this is 
not the case with her. He thinks she had an infection and the stone built 
around it, which happens sometimes, and which would make sense in her case 
because she is positive and thus prone to infections and had never had crystals 
before.
Michelle

Re: New To This

They've done the in lab test on 4 of my cats. The one that was the sickest was sent to a lab. Thor, the sick kitty, is getting better it seems, I don't want to jinx anything. I do plan on having all my cats retested in about a month. Luna, the littlest guy who we suspect is the carrier, seems totally fine and normal. My older cats, Sylvester, Maxine, and Sable are doing fine and are negative at this point. They are now known as our basement kitties. I'm keeping them isolated from each other at least a month until I have them all retested. I am highly considering mixing them all back up. I know it's bothering them all because they sit at the door and stare at it, scratch at it, try to reach under it, meow/howl at it, etc.

One thing I've learned so far is to provide the cats with the least amount of stress for their health. Well, they were all used to each other and got along wonderfully. I never thought it was possible. All my cats are friendly, cuddly, and "talkative." They are actually very social. Sylvester is in charge. I know Thor misses cuddling up to his protege. (Sylvester "escaped" the basement and immediately Thor tried to cuddle to him while Sylvester tried to clean him). This is EXTREMELY hard to do right now. Time seems to have frozen.

I do appreciate all your concern. Your right, everyone here is VERY supportive. This group is actually giving me hope. Thank you.Julie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Kristina,

You've certainly come to the right place; you'll never find a more supportive, knowledgable group, as others have said, I'm sorry you had to find us.

Do you know what tests were done on your two positives? Did they do the test in the office (typically an ELISA) or did they send it out to a lab (the more sensitive IFA)?

I can't give you any advice about mixing; I have always chosen to separate, however, Encore was with all my other cats and all consistently come up negative (knocking wood and NOT tempting fate!!!).

I wish you all the best and hope the kitties (and you!) are soon feeling better.

Julie"Mrs. Kulak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: New To This

Just wanted to mention that a cat bite is a much more effective way 
for the virus to spread than just air, food and water.  That injects 
it into the other cat.  The FELV virus is very fragile, as I 
understand it, and will only live a short time in air - seconds, as I 
understand, unlike other viruses like the ones that cause upper 
respiratory infections which can live months.

I give my FELV babies interferon, wish I'd started it a few years ago 
with the babies I've lost to lymphoma.

Best wishes, and hang in there.
Gloria
Kristina,
I feel your pain. I'm in a very similar situation. My female Brissle 
is 8 years old and suddenly got very sick and tested positive with 
FeLV. She has had 2 negative tests during her life. Her twin brother 
still tests negative. I never missed her vaccines. She was bitten by 
a cat twice in her life - once a couple months ago. So either the 
vaccine didn't work or the two negatives were false. But false 
negatives are common, as I have now learned. The virus apparently can 
hide in the bone marrow. I really think vets need to do a better job 
of informing their patients that a negative test is merely 
inconclusive. I've never been informed of this - by any vet. Then 
again, if they did that, it may discourage people from adopting cats. 
It's a tough issue.

For what it's worth, I haven't separated my two. But I'm brand new at 
this myself. Many might disagree with me. But I know they would be 
unhappy if split up and keeping the sick cat happy is important.

Is your cat anemic too? That's important to know. Also important, did 
the vet test for the Hemobartonella bacteria? In some cases, it is 
responsible for the symptoms. But that may just be for anemia? 
Someone more knowledgeable may correct me on this. But if you look 
around, you will see that most people on this list are or have used 
the antibiotic Doxycycline.

I haven't heard of Retrovir. Right now, we are using Immunoregulin 
combined with human Interferon to help boost the immune system. There 
is only very limited anecdotal information on their effectiveness. I 
think what people have found though is that every case differs. What 
works for one, doesn't work for another. The most effective treatment 
to date is feline Interferon (Virbagen Omega, VO). Of course like 
anything else good, it's not available in the US. Some on the list 
have attained special emergency approval from the FDA. Your vet would 
need to apply. You many want to search the archives on this.

Here's a good source for the Immunoregulin: 
http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=31-020http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=31-020. 
EqStim is the same exact thing (same concentration), just marketed 
for horses, much cheaper though. And for human Interferon: 
http://www.islandpharmacy.com/http://www.islandpharmacy.com/.

Again, it's important to know if your cat is anemic. Many here highly 
recommended using steroid treatment for this. My vet vetoed it, based 
on side effects. But you'll really want to look at this. I've been 
told my cat will surely die if I don't use the steroids. So I may end 
up vetoing my vet on this.

I hope this helps. Sorry for your rotten luck.
-Kyle
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mrs. Kulak
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 12:55 PM
Subject: New To This
I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline 
leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that 
originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and 
has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become 
quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain 
optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can.

First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. 
I have to keep them separated now from my two sick ones. Even 
though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts 
totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is 
sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning 
and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I 
only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the 
medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me 
to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to 
humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine.

Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This 
is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got 
along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, 
cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older 
ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there 
to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But 
they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. 
The kittens I keep

Re: New To This

Hi Kristina - just wanted to mention also - watch out for vets who 
want to euthanize your kitties.  There's a lot of variation in 
knowledge and attitude among vets.  One may be supportive and work 
with your FELV cats, but another may just want to euthanize.  Very 
scarey going to different vets, sometimtes.

Gloria
I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline 
leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that 
originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and 
has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become 
quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain 
optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can.

First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. 
I have to keep them separated now from my two sick ones. Even 
though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts 
totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is 
sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning 
and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I 
only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the 
medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me 
to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to 
humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine.

Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This 
is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got 
along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, 
cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older 
ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there 
to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But 
they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. 
The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest 
one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've 
even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really 
hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is 
over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to 
be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back 
together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill 
cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This 
will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But 
I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens 
myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I 
know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay 
negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, 
how effective are the shots?

Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from 
is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me 
that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying 
to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the 
other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and 
time period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about the 
incubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all the 
cats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant. 
They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told them 
I know that, but... We got no where. Now what do I do? All my other 
cats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them to 
the vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). I 
need to know what do I do to get them to contact the other people. 
I'm concerned that there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there, 
more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a right 
to know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a full 
page ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better Business 
Bureau. I need to do something.

Sorry I took so much time, but I have many issues and/or concerns. I 
don't know what to do. I've been reading a lot on the internet, but I 
can't find the answer to these few things. I appreciate any 
help/advice you could give me. Thank you.

Kristina

Re: Lucy doesn't need surgery (probably)!

2005-03-07 Thread Julie Johnson

Dear Michelle,

I'm happy to hear some good news about Lucy and hope she continues to improve. I'm sorry to hear Pepsi is not doing better. I know how you feel; one gets so numbed that it's hard for the good news to penetrate the seeming walls of bad news. Hang in there and give Lucy a smooch from me and my Lucy.

Love, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lucy had her 30 day x-ray today, a little early, and her bladder stone is much, much smaller! So the plan is to keep her on the food (S/D) and the meds (Clavamox, pred, and some Chinese herbs) and re-xray her in another 30 days. She is urinating less frequently and with less blood, so I think she is more comfortable (though she never really acted uncomfortable), but I was not allowing myself to hope! The vet said "well, you deserve some good news every once in a while." My horse Pepsi is doing worse, and I am still so grieved about Simon, so I am not feeling as elated as I should, but I am feeling somewhat elated and very grateful about Lucy. I was so scared that getting surgery would trigger her virus. There is still a small chance that the stone will not continue to dissolve all the way, because sometimes the outside is one kind of stone
and the inside is another, but it dissolved so much that the vet thinks this is not the case with her. He thinks she had an infection and the stone built around it, which happens sometimes, and which would make sense in her case because she is positive and thus prone to infections and had never had crystals before.Michelle"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
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My vet is dead set against it. I'm glad. I'm just having a difficult time deciding what to do. So many people have stated that they've mixed their cats back up, but I haven't read one study that recommends that. As-a-matter-of-a-fact, they're all against it. I guess I need more input from people who've blended the family again. I've got three weeks before I really need to make a final decision. I keep going back and forth on this. I mean, what if the little guy (Luna) is able to shake this thin and eventually test negative? Is it possible that Thor, the older kitten that is sick right now, will recover and live longer? I feel helpless. Thor seems more spunky today than he has in awhile, but I don't want to get my hopes up.

Kristina"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kristina - just wanted to mention also - watch out for vets who want to euthanize your kitties. There's a lot of variation in knowledge and attitude among vets. One may be supportive and work with your FELV cats, but another may just want to euthanize. Very scarey going to different vets, sometimtes.GloriaI have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can.First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick"
ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine.Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at
me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try
to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots?Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and time period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about the incubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all the cats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant. They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told them I know that, but..." We got no where. Now what do I do? All my other cats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them to the vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). I need to know what do I do to get them to contact
the other people. I'm concerned that there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there, more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a right to know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a full page ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better Business Bureau. I need to do something.Sorry I took so much time, but I have many issues and/or concerns. I don't know what to do. I've been reading a lot on the internet, but I can't find the answer to these few things. I appreciate any help/advice you could give me. Thank you.Kristina

Re: New To This

Hey Kristina - I'm wondering what's the diagnosis for Thor - do you 
know? is it anemia, lymphoma or what?  Maybe I missed it -

Gloria
My vet is dead set against it. I'm glad. I'm just having a difficult 
time deciding what to do. So many people have stated that they've 
mixed their cats back up, but I haven't read one study that 
recommends that. As-a-matter-of-a-fact, they're all against it. I 
guess I need more input from people who've blended the family again. 
I've got three weeks before I really need to make a final decision. I 
keep going back and forth on this. I mean, what if the little guy 
(Luna) is able to shake this thin and eventually test negative? Is it 
possible that Thor, the older kitten that is sick right now, will 
recover and live longer? I feel helpless. Thor seems more spunky 
today than he has in awhile, but I don't want to get my hopes up.

Kristina
Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kristina - just wanted to mention also - watch out for vets who
want to euthanize your kitties. There's a lot of variation in
knowledge and attitude among vets. One may be supportive and work
with your FELV cats, but another may just want to euthanize. Very
scarey going to different vets, sometimtes.
Gloria
I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline
leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that
originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and
has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become
quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain
optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can.
First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative.
I have to keep them separated now from my two sick ones. Even
though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts
totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is
sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning
and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I
only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the
medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me
to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to
humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine.
Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This
is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got
along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together,
cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older
ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there
to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But
they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment.
The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest
one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've
even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really
hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is
over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to
be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back
together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill
cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This
will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But
I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens
myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I
know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay
negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So,
how effective are the shots?
Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from
is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me
that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying
to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the
other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and
time period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about the
incubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all the
cats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant.
They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told them
I know that, but... We got no where. Now what do I do? All my other
cats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them to
the vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). I
need to know what do I do to get them to contact the other people.
I'm concerned that there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there,
more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a right
to know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a full
page ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better Business
Bureau. I need to do something.
Sorry I took so much time, but I have many issues and/or concerns. I
don't know what to do. I've been reading a

New To List

2005-03-07 Thread Sally Quillian




My name is Sally, and I work with a 
cat rescue organization in Oklahoma City, OK. We have recently rescued two 
kitties who have tested positive for FeLV. Both kitties appear healthy and 
have no symptoms.One kitten named Bobbie is about four months old, 
and we are giving her interferon. The other adult cat, named Twila, is 
currently receiving no treatment. Attempts to find homes for these 
kitties locally have not been successful. Our Board of Directors met this 
weekend, and, sadly, euthanasia was discussed. The veterinarian who is 
boarding these kitties for us at no charge will only hold them for three more 
weeks. We are currently trying to make arrangements to place them in a 
sanctuary for FeLV.
My question is this: Assuming 
both cats continue to test positiveon the Elisa and IFA, is there a chance 
that they canhave a fairly normal life expectancy? I have worked 
with FIV kitties in the past, and have seen that they can have good quality of 
life well into their teens. Is the same true for kitties infected with 
FeLV?For the past few weeks I 
have read as much as possible on the subject, and it seems that most kitties die 
from FeLV-related illnesses within a few years.

Iwill appreciate any 
information you can give me.

Thank you,
Sally
Ms. Kitty's Cat Rescue, Inc.www.mskittyscatrescue.org

Saving One Cat at a Time. . .One 
Life at a Time . . .One Day at a 
Time

Re: New To This

2005-03-07 Thread Lernermichelle

I would look into getting feline interferon, i.e. Virbagen Omega, for Thor.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/7/05 11:08:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 My vet is dead set against it. I'm glad. I'm just having a difficult time 
deciding what to do. So many people have stated that they've mixed their cats 
back up, but I haven't read one study that recommends that. 
As-a-matter-of-a-fact, they're all against it. I guess I need more input from 
people who've 
blended the family again. I've got three weeks before I really need to make a 
final decision. I keep going back and forth on this. I mean, what if the little 
guy (Luna) is able to shake this thin and eventually test negative? Is it 
possible that Thor, the older kitten that is sick right now, will recover and 
live 
longer? I feel helpless. Thor seems more spunky today than he has in awhile, 
but I don't want to get my hopes up.
 
Kristina

Re: New To This

2005-03-07 Thread Lernermichelle

Gloria,
   Don't feel bad about not having given interferon to those you lost to 
lymphoma.  I gave interferon to Simon every day and he got lymphoma, whereas I 
don't give it to Patches and Ginger (because it stresses them too much) and so 
far (knock on wood a thousand times) they have not.  So I do not think 
interferon prevents lymphoma.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/7/05 10:44:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I give my FELV babies interferon, wish I'd started it a few years ago 
with the babies I've lost to lymphoma.

Re: New To This

That I don't know. I want to talk to my vet, but she's off until Wednesday. "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Kristina - I'm wondering what's the diagnosis for Thor - do you know? is it anemia, lymphoma or what? Maybe I missed it -GloriaMy vet is dead set against it. I'm glad. I'm just having a difficult time deciding what to do. So many people have stated that they've mixed their cats back up, but I haven't read one study that recommends that. As-a-matter-of-a-fact, they're all against it. I guess I need more input from people who've blended the family again. I've got three weeks before I really need to make a final decision. I keep going back and forth on this. I mean, what if the little guy (Luna) is able to shake this thin and eventually test negative? Is it possible that Thor, the older kitten that is sick right now, will recover and live longer? I feel helpless. Thor seems more spunky today than he has in awhile, but I
don't want to get my hopes up.Kristina"Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Hi Kristina - just wanted to mention also - watch out for vets whowant to euthanize your kitties. There's a lot of variation inknowledge and attitude among vets. One may be supportive and workwith your FELV cats, but another may just want to euthanize. Veryscarey going to different vets, sometimtes.GloriaI have just found out that my two kittens are positive for felineleukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin thatoriginally tested negative. But since then he has become positive andhas infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has becomequite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remainoptimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can.First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative.I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones.
Eventhough the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he actstotally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, issick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morningand in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. Ionly received the side effects for humans when I picked up themedicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to meto find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects tohumans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine.Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. Thisis EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats gotalong, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together,cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The olderones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down thereto sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of
creepy. Butthey do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment.The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlestone is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I'veeven caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's reallyhard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period isover and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove tobe negative, then get their shots, could I put the family backtogether again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the illcats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. Thiswill be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. ButI need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittensmyself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. Iknow I have a home for the three older cats providing they staynegative. I just really want to try to keep the family together.
So,how effective are the shots?Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten fromis trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told methat my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is tryingto do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell theother people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group andtime period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about theincubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all thecats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant.They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told themI know that, but..." We got no where. Now what do I do? All my othercats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them tothe vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). Ineed to know what do I do to get them to contact the other people.I'm concerned that
there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there,more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a rightto know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a fullpage ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better BusinessBureau. I need to do something.Sorry I took so much time, but I have many issues and/or

Re: New To List

2005-03-07 Thread Sally Quillian

Michelle . . .Thank you so much for this information.  I just sent an email
to Best Friends . . .I'll let you know what happens.
Again, I sure appreciate your input.

Thank you,
Sally
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: New To List

 FeLV is worse than FIV, in that most cats infected with it do not live to
old
 age. Some do, though, and some live to middle age.  There are people on
this
 list who have positives who are 10 and older.  But many of them die as
kittens
 or before age 2. I have lost 3 so far-- at 18 months, 3 years, and 4.5
years.
 I have two around 4 and one around 6 still with me at home.  Basically, it
 varies a lot, but it is more common for them to die fairly young than to
live
 past 5 or so.

 You should contact Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah.  They have an
FeLV
 house. While they are often full, they are more likely to take animals
from a
 rescue group like yours than from individuals. They might be willing to do
a
 trade-- take your two positives if in exchange you take 2 or more
adoptable
 animals from them to adopt out in your area.  For instance, if you take 4
 adoptable cats they might take your two positives. I would check ASAP.

 Michelle

Re: New To This

Thanks, Michelle - I got them as kittens, and I do feel that they would 
have lived longer if they'd been started on interferon earlier.  Wish I'd 
tried it -

Gloria
At 10:47 AM 3/7/2005, you wrote:
Gloria,
   Don't feel bad about not having given interferon to those you lost to
lymphoma.  I gave interferon to Simon every day and he got lymphoma, 
whereas I
don't give it to Patches and Ginger (because it stresses them too much) 
and so
far (knock on wood a thousand times) they have not.  So I do not think
interferon prevents lymphoma.
Michelle

In a message dated 3/7/05 10:44:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I give my FELV babies interferon, wish I'd started it a few years ago
with the babies I've lost to lymphoma.

Re: New To This

Welcome,
It is a terrible way to find us, but I will tell you this list has helped me wonderfully. I lost a kitty in January to this horrid disease and I now have a positive that coexist with my other 6 negative furr babies.I do not know about the medication you have your kitty on, my baby is on theInterferon and other vitamin supplements.

About adopting through shelters, did you not have to fill out paperwork? I would definately contact local vets and see what course of action they could reccomend.

Amber went to a chop shop before I got her to get fixed and they did some damage, I wrote them and copied all the local vets and the local newspapers, I felt it was pretty effective, my vet also contacted some local vets and got the word out that this so called "vet" was doing more harm than good.

Again, welcome, sorry you have to go through this but, we are all here for one another.
Cherie
"Mrs. Kulak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry I took so much time, but I have many issues and/or concerns. I don't know what to do. I've been reading a lot on the internet, but I can't find the answer to these few things. I appreciate any help/advice you could give me. Thank you.

Kristina

I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring for Deirdre (FELV+)

2005-03-07 Thread Kathy Gittel

I'd be grateful for any and all suggestions you have for diet,
vitamins, and care for Deirdre. I fed her outside and created a
shelter for her in my shed for 1 year when she first appeared under my
evergreen tree eating birdseed. She was about 6 months old then. I
trapped her this January 1st and had her spayed, de-flead, de-wormed
and got her all her shots. She was feral. During the last 3 weeks, she 
finally began
to get friendly and is now a total mush melon. I love her. She has
taken up residence in my living room, because I must isolate her from
my other 6 cats to keep them free of FELV.

She has 2 windows, lots of toys, a couch, a special bed and she eats
Fancy Feast wet food and Adult Nutro dried food. I spend at least a 
third of my time home with her.
She's extremely spunky, loving and playful. I'd like
to keep her that way for as long as possible. I'd appreciate any and
all suggestions you might have for me.

Thank You
 Kathleen Gittel

Re: New To This

Thank you so much for your advice. It means so very much to me. I feel like I've been crying for weeks. Anyway, Thor has been lethargic, "sweaty", not eating or drinking much, and has some breathing problems. The past two days, he's been better though. He's been playful, eating and drinking and he's sitting with us, not off in seclusion. I think the medicine is kisking in, but I don't want to keep him on too long if I don't have to. There are some side effects I don't like with the Retrovir. He still seems a little warm, but he also seems more alert than he has for the past couple weeks. His breathing seems more regular too. He has had some chest congestion, I could hear it, but I haven't for the past two days.I don't want to get my hopes up, my heart will then break if something bad happens. I just want him happy for however long he's still got. I don't know how long that will be. And I know it is hard to say for sure. Little Luna seems to be super normal. He's keeping
Thor company. They're actually sleeping together right now. Does this help?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kris!I also just wanted to welcome you to the list (as bittersweet as that welcome is)! This is a wonderful group of very knowledgeable and experienced people...you'll get alot of great advice, so don't be afraid to ask about anything and everything! :)I just wanted to add to the discussion about mixing positives and negatives because my situation was very similar to yours when I first found out that our kittens were positive for FeLV. By the time we found out, our resident negative cat, Boots, had already bonded with the babies...playing the role of "big brother,"--grooming them, playing with them and showing them how to use the litter box properly! :) When we found out that the babies were positive (they were about two months old at the time), we were devastated and made the difficult decision to separate Boots. But Boots was heart-broken...he just couldn't
understand why he couldn't see his buddies! On top of it all, we had just euthanized the kitten's mother, Lucy, due to complications related to FeLV (Lucy was an infamous "false-negative"...she initially tested negative for the virus, but it must have either been hiding latent in her system, or else she was just newly infected when we found her...long story short, the stress of her pregnancy probably activated the virus, we didn't find out that she was positive until the day that we had to put her to sleep)...anyway, the kittens immediately turned to Boots when they realized that their Mama wouldn't be coming home. Needless to say, separating the kittens from "Mr. Mom" was equally as painful. :(About this time, I discovered this wonderful group, and with their experience in hand along with the blessing of our vet, we went ahead and gave Boots his booster for FeLV and reunited the group. Feline Leukemia, I believe, is a much more unpredictable virus than once thought.
Some on this list have never mixed their positives and negatives and yet one or two negative cats still manage to test positive...on the other hand, other members do mix and have never had a negative test positive. Bottom line is that to mix or not to mix is a *personal* decision based on your own *unique* circumstances. Many individuals on this list also do rescue work, so it's in all of the cats' best interests not to mix if they can help it. And then there are others, like myself, whose cats aren't going anywhere, so we must decide based on what we feel is best. I'm of the opinion that a life of seclusion for Boots was no life at all. All of our cats were strays who found us (and, hence, would probably not be alive today if we hadn't taken them in)...I've got to believe that someone or something higher up must be watching over these little angels. Boots has been with our Feleuk babies now for almost 3 years and remains negative. We've even added another negative girl who
showed up at my gallery, emaciated and with a broken spinal cord...again, I have no regrets knowing what her alternative may have been.With that said, like others have pointed out, FeLV is a fragile virus that doesn't live long outside a live host. In fact, it's actually quite difficult for a healthy, adult cat to catch the virus with or without the vaccine (the vaccine is about 85-90% effective, I believe). It's kittens and the elderly that are most susceptable due to an immature/weakened immune system. The best thing you can do is keep everybody's immune systems healthy with a superb quality diet (all-natural, no additives or preservatives...many prefer Nature's Variety, Wellness, Eagle Pack, Innova, California Natural, or a raw food diet among others). Some inexpensive and worthwhile supplements would be Vitamin C and L-Lysine. And, most importantly, keeping the Feleuk guys as stress-free as possible!So, before I forget...what symptoms is Thor presenting
with?Anyway, hope this helps!Jen- Original Message -From: Kris Kulak <[EMAIL

Additional information for those interested in Virbagen Feline Omega Interferon




Dear All,When I was snooping around a couple of 
years ago I found a few additional examples on its use for FeLV cats (naturally 
infected, thank gosh). I'll list each example in separate posts, but it may be 
beneficial to read the entire information.The link can be found 
here: http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=/netahtml/srchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1='6,350,443'.WKU.OS=PN/6,350,443RS=PN/6,350,443



Take care,
Glenda

Our FeLV/FIV kitties  other stuff:http://community.webshots.com/user/sicky_icicle

Virbagen Feline Omega Interferon Example 1 (cat seroconverted)

The link can be found here:

http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=/netahtml/srchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1='6,350,443'.WKU.OS=PN/6,350,443RS=PN/6,350,443

"Although examples in the present invention will be described
below, it is to be understood that the invention is not limited to these
examples. Blood cell count is represented in units of microliters
(/.mu.l)."

Example 1

A recombinant feline .omega.-interferon preparation (Trade
Name: INTERCAT) was administered to a 6-month-old crossbred male cat which was
observed to have neutropenia due to a feline leukemia virus infection.

On the first day of examination, the cat weighed 3.7 kg and
had a body temperature of 39.5.degree. C., had completely lost its
appetite, lost vigor, and was observed to have gingivitis and purulent
rhinorrhea.

Blood test results were as follows: PCV 41%, WBC 8,800,
neutrophil 484, lymphocyte 3,256, monocyte 5,016, eosinophil 44,
and thrombocyte 200,000.

In the virus test, an FeLV antigen was detectable and an FIV
antibody was not detectable.

The INTERCAT was dissolved in a physiological saline
solution, and was subcutaneously injected, at a dose of 4 MU/day, for
three days. The dose was 1.08 MU/kg per cat weight. A transfusion
(lactate Ringer's solution and glucose) was injected by intravenous drip
infusion at a dose of 500 ml/day, and an antibiotic (cephalexin) was
intravenously injected at a dose of 150 mg twice a day.

On the third day, the cat regained its appetite and had a
body temperature of 38.2.degree. C. and a weight of 3.6 kg. Blood test results
were as follows: PCV 40%, WBC 10,100, neutrophil 2,121, lymphocyte 5,555,
monocyte 2,121, eosinophil 303, and thrombocyte 100,000. Significant increases
in the number of neutrophils and lymphocytes were observed, alleviation of fever
and improved general condition were observed, and gingivitis and purulent
rhinorrhea were cured.

However, on the seventh day, the cat had a body
temperature of 40.2.degree. C. and had lost appetite and vigor, and
discharges from the eyes and lingual erosion were observed. Blood test results
were as follows: PCV 29%, WBC 8,500, neutrophil 1,530, lymphocyte 2,550,
monocyte 4,420, eosinophil 0, and thrombocyte 200,000.

The INTERCAT was subcutaneously injected 4 times at a
dose of 4 MU/day, every other day. As combined remedies, on the day
when the INTERCAT was administered, a transfusion (lactate Ringer's solution and
glucose) was injected by intravenous drip infusion at a dose of 500 ml/day, and
an antibiotic (cephalexin) was intravenously injected twice a day at a dose of
150 mg.

On the 12th day, body temperature had decreased to
38.3.degree. C., and appetite and vigor were regained. Blood test results were
as follows: PCV 32%, WBC 17,200, neutrophil 8,084, lymphocyte 6,880, monocyte
2,236, eosinophil 0, and thrombocyte 200,000.

On the 19th day, although no abnormalities were
observed when the cat was examined, as a precaution, a dose of 4 MU of INTERCAT
was subcutaneously injected.

After one month, it was recognized that the FeLV
antigen level had become undetectable. The cat weighed 4.05 kg. Blood
test results were as follows: PCV 39%, WBC 19,300, neutrophil 3,492, lymphocyte
8,299, monocyte 1,158, eosinophil 1,351, and thrombocyte 200,000.

After one year, the FeLV was also
undetectable. The cat weighed 4.5 kg. Blood test results were as
follows: PCV 42%, WBC 7,100, neutrophil 3,763, lymphocyte 2,982, monocyte 71,
eosinophil 284, and thrombocyte 200,000.

Take care,

Glenda

Our FeLV/FIV kitties other stuff:http://community.webshots.com/user/sicky_icicle

Virbagen Feline Omega Interferon Example 2 (no seroconversion)

The link can be found here:

http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=/netahtml/srchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1='6,350,443'.WKU.OS=PN/6,350,443RS=PN/6,350,443

Example 2

A recombinant feline .omega.-interferon preparation (Trade Name: INTERCAT)
was administered to a one-and-a-half-year-old crossbred male cat which was
observed to have neutropenia due to a feline leukemia virus infection.

On the first day of examination, the cat weighed 2.9 kg and had a body
temperature of 37.0.degree. C., that was low, and had completely lost its
appetite. Vomiting, diarrhea, and dehydration were observed.

It was confirmed that the cat did not have a Parvovirus infectious disease.

Blood test results were as follows: PVC 49%, WBC 3,600, neutrophil 1,476,
lymphocyte 1,440, monocyte 576, eosinophil 108, and thrombocyte 30,000. In the
virus test, an FeLV antigen was detectable, an FIV antibody was not detectable,
and a Parvovirus antigen was not detectable.

The INTERCAT was dissolved in a physiological saline solution and
was subcutaneously injected at a dose of 3 MU/day for four days. The dose was
1.03 MU/kg per cat weight. A transfusion (lactate Ringer's solution and
glucose) was injected by intravenous drip infusion at a dose of 500 ml/day, and
an antibiotic (cephalexin) was intravenously injected at a dose of 100 mg twice
a day.

On the third day, the cat had a body temperature of 39.2.degree. C., had no
appetite, and had continuing diarrhea. Blood test results were as follows: PCV
34%, WBC 20,400, neutrophil 12,700, lymphocyte 3,700, monocyte 1,900, eosinophil
660, and thrombocyte 50,000. On the eighth day, the body temperature had
decreased to 38.8.degree. C. and appetite had slightly improved. The cat weighed
2.6 kg and had slight continuing diarrhea. Blood test results were as follows:
PVC 22%, WBC 62,900, neutrophil 53,000, lymphocyte 2,300, monocyte 6,500,
eosinophil 1,050, and thrombocyte 200,000.

The significant recovery of neutrophils was observed, and alleviation of
fever and improved general condition were observed.

After one month and again after 10 months, no abnormalities
were observed, and thus the therapeutic efficacy of the INTERCAT was
recognized.

Take care,
Glenda

Our FeLV/FIV kitties other stuff:http://community.webshots.com/user/sicky_icicle

Virbagen Feline Omega Interferon Example 3 (no seroconversion)




Example 3 

A recombinant feline o-interferon preparation (Trade Name: INTERCAT) was 
administered to a 3-year-old crossbred male cat which was observed to have 
neutropenia due to a feline leukemia virus infection. 

On the first day of examination, the cat had a weight of 4.4 kg and a body 
temperature of 41.2.degree. C., and a complete loss of appetite; abscesses and 
vomiting were observed. 

Blood test results were as follows: PVC 38%, WBC 900, neutrophil 0, 
lymphocyte 900, monocyte 0, eosinophil 0, and thrombocyte 30,000. In the virus 
test, an FeLV antigen was detectable, an FIV antibody was not detectable, and a 
Parvovirus antigen was not detectable. 

The INTERCAT was dissolved in a physiological saline solution, and 
was subcutaneously injected at a dose of 5 MU/day for seven days. The dose was 
1.14 MU/kg per cat weight. A transfusion (lactate Ringer's solution and 
glucose) was injected by intravenous drip infusion at a dose of 500 ml/day, and 
an antibiotic (cephalexin) was intravenously injected at a dose of 150 mg twice 
a day. 

On the fifth day, the cat had a body temperature of 40.4.degree. C., had no 
appetite, and had continuing diarrhea. Blood test results were as follows: PCV 
32%, WBC 10,000, neutrophil 7,300, lymphocyte 2,300, monocyte 200, eosinophil 
200, and thrombocyte 150,000. 

On the seventh day, the body temperature had decreased to 38.4.degree. C. 
and appetite had recovered. Blood test results were as follows: PCV 34%, WBC 
16,400, neutrophil 15,000, lymphocyte 1,400, monocyte 0, eosinophil 0, and 
thrombocyte 200,000. 

Significant recovery of neutrophils was observed, and abatement of 
fever and improved general condition were observed. 

The FeLV antigen was detectable.




Take care,
Glenda

Our FeLV/FIV kitties  other stuff:http://community.webshots.com/user/sicky_icicle

Virbagen Feline Omega Interferon (FeLV FIV no longer detectable)

The link can be found here:

http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=/netahtml/srchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1='6,350,443'.WKU.OS=PN/6,350,443RS=PN/6,350,443

Example 4

A recombinant feline o-interferon preparation (Trade Name: INTERCAT) was
administered to a 5-year-old crossbred female cat (sterilized), which was
observed to have neutropenia due to a feline leukemia virus infection.

On the first day of examination, the cat had a weight of 3.25 kg and a body
temperature of 40.7.degree. C., and a complete loss of appetite, a loss of
vigor, and pneumonia were observed. Blood test results were as follows: PCV 37%,
WBC 1,100, neutrophil 22, lymphocyte 836, monocyte 132, eosinophil 88, and
thrombocyte 30,000. In the virus test, both an FeLV antigen and an FIV
antibody were detected.

The INTERCAT was dissolved in a physiological saline solution, and
was subcutaneously injected at a dose of 5 MU/day for four days.

The dose was 1.54 MU/kg per cat weight. A transfusion
(lactate Ringer's solution and glucose) was injected by intravenous drip
infusion at a dose of 500 ml/day, and an antibiotic (cephalexin) was
intravenously injected at a dose of 100 mg twice a day.

Blood test results on the third day were as follows: PCV 36%, WBC 8,400,
neutrophil 3,864, lymphocyte 3,444, monocyte 840, eosinophil 168, and
thrombocyte 30,000.

On the fifth day, the body temperature had decreased to 38.6.degree. C.,
and the blood examination results were as follows: PCV 32%, WBC 7,300,
neutrophil 4,088, lymphocyte 2,920, monocyte 292, eosinophil 0, and thrombocyte
60,000.

On the 10th day, the body temperature was 38.5.degree. C., appetite and
vigor had recovered, and pneumonia was also cured. The cat had a weight of 3.3
kg. Blood test results were as follows: PCV 31%, WBC 11,468, neutrophil 7,568,
lymphocyte 3,325, monocyte 573, eosinophil 0, and thrombocyte 100,000.

On the 18th day, in the virus test, the FeLV antigen was not
detected, the FIV antibody also was not detected. After one year, both the FeLV
antigen and the FIV antibody were not detected.

Take care,
Glenda

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Virbagen Feline Omega Interferon Example 5 (no seroconversion)




Example 5 A recombinant feline .omega.-interferon 
preparation (Trade Name: INTERCAT) was administered to a 6-month-old crossbred 
female cat, which was observed to have neutropenia due to a feline leukemia 
virus infection. 
On the first day of examination, the cat had a weight of 2.2 
kg and a body temperature of 41.5.degree. C., and a complete loss of appetite, a 
loss of vigor, rhinorrhea, slaver, and dacryorrhea were observed.
Blood test results were as follows: PCV 32%, WBC 4,400, 
neutrophil 2,885, lymphocyte 961, monocyte 732, eosinophil 0, and thrombocyte 
100,000. In the virus test, an FeLV antigen was detected, an FIV antibody was 
not detected, and a Parvovirus antigen was not detected. The INTERCAT 
was dissolved in a physiological saline solution, and was subcutaneously 
injected at a dose of 3 MU/day for five days. The dose was 1.36 MU/kg per cat 
weight. A transfusion (lactate Ringer's solution and glucose) was injected 
by intravenous drip infusion at a dose of 500 ml/day, and an antibiotic 
(cephalexin) was intravenously injected at a dose of 150 mg twice a day. 
On the fifth day, the cat had a body temperature of 38.9.degree. 
C., had an appetite, and rhinorrhea, slaver, and dacryorrhea were alleviated. 

Blood test results were as follows: 
PCV 26%, WBC 8,500, neutrophil 6,855, lymphocyte 1,020, 
monocyte 425, eosinophil 170, and thrombocyte 200,000. 
On the 13th day, aggravation occurred again. The body 
temperature was 40.2.degree. C., anorexia was observed, and rhinorrhea, 
slaver, and dacryorrhea were aggravated. Blood test results were as follows: 
PCV 28%, WBC 7,000, neutrophil 840, lymphocyte 4,340, monocyte 1,680, eosinophil 
140, and thrombocyte 200,000. The INTERCAT was again subcutaneously 
injected at a dose of 3 MU/day for four days. The transfusion or antibiotic 
was not administered. On the 17th day, the body temperature was 
38.50.degree. C., and appetite and vigor had recovered. Blood test results 
were as follows: PCV 24%, WBC 19,100, neutrophil 10,186, lymphocyte 7,003, 
monocyte 1,782, eosinophil 127, and thrombocyte 200,000.

Take care,
Glenda

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Virbagen Feline Omega Interferon Example 6 (no seroconversion)




Example 6 

A recombinant feline .omega.-interferon preparation (Trade 
Name: INTERCAT) was administered to a 2-year-old crossbred male cat, which was 
observed to have neutropenia due to a feline leukemia virus infection. 

On the first day of examination, the cat had a weight of 3.9 
kg and a body temperature of 40.4.degree. C., and lymphatic swelling was 
observed. The cat had an appetite and vigor. Blood test results were as follows: 
PCV 22%, WBC 5,800, neutrophil 696, lymphocyte 4,698, monocyte 116, eosinophil 
290, and thrombocyte 200,000. In the virus test, an FeLV antigen was detected 
and an FIV antibody was not detected. 

After 5 days, although appetite and vigor were observed, the 
body temperature was 39.2.degree. C., and blood test results were as follows: 
PCV 22%, WBC 5,800, neutrophil 131, lymphocyte 4,963, monocyte 219, eosinophil 
483, and thrombocyte 200,000. 

The INTERCAT was dissolved in a physiological saline 
solution and was subcutaneously injected at a dose of 4 MU/day for six days. The 
dose was 1.03 MU/kg per cat weight. A transfusion (lactate Ringer's 
solution and glucose) was injected by intravenous drip infusion at a dose of 500 
ml/day, and an antibiotic (cephalexin) was intravenously injected at a dose of 
100 mg twice a day. 

On the second day after the administration of the INTERCAT, 
the body temperature was 39.5.degree. C., and blood test results were as 
follows: PCV 24%, WBC 4,200, neutrophil 400, lymphocyte 3,400, monocyte 200, 
eosinophil 200, and thrombocyte 200,000. 

On the fourth day, the body temperature was 38.7.degree. C., 
and blood test results were as follows: PCV 23%, WBC 5,000, neutrophil 1,150, 
lymphocyte 3,100, monocyte 450, eosinophil 200, and thrombocyte 200,000. On the 
seventh day, the body temperature was 38.9.degree. C., and blood test results 
were as follows: PCV 18%, WBC 6,100, neutrophil 1,769, lymphocyte 3,050, 
monocyte 1,220, eosinophil 61, and thrombocyte 200,000. 

In this example, significant recovery of neutrophils 
was not observed, and abatement of fever and improved general condition were 
observed.


Take care,
Glenda

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Re: I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring for Deirdre (FELV+)

She sounds wonderful and wonderfully happy in your home, I do not however think it is nessary to keep them seperated, I have a positive and 6 negatives that live very happily together...ok not so happy ALL the time but alot of the time they do. 
Welcome, we will help any way we can.
Cherie
Kathy Gittel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be grateful for any and all suggestions you have for diet,vitamins, and care for Deirdre. I fed her outside and created ashelter for her in my shed for 1 year when she first appeared under myevergreen tree eating birdseed. She was about 6 months old then. Itrapped her this January 1st and had her spayed, de-flead, de-wormedand got her all her shots. She was feral. During the last 3 weeks, she finally beganto get friendly and is now a total mush melon. I love her. She hastaken up residence in my living room, because I must isolate her frommy other 6 cats to keep them free of FELV.She has 2 windows, lots of toys, a couch, a special bed and she eatsFancy Feast wet food and Adult Nutro dried food. I spend at least a third of my time home with her.She's extremely spunky, loving and playful. I'd liketo keep her that way for as
 long as possible. I'd appreciate any andall suggestions you might have for me.Thank YouKathleen Gittel

Re: Virbagen Feline Omega Interferon Example 6 (no seroconversion)

Thank you so much I am printing it all off so, I can read it tonight...Thanks again
Cheriegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Example 6

A recombinant feline .omega.-interferon preparation (Trade Name: INTERCAT) was administered to a 2-year-old crossbred male cat, which was observed to have neutropenia due to a feline leukemia virus infection.

On the first day of examination, the cat had a weight of 3.9 kg and a body temperature of 40.4.degree. C., and lymphatic swelling was observed. The cat had an appetite and vigor. Blood test results were as follows: PCV 22%, WBC 5,800, neutrophil 696, lymphocyte 4,698, monocyte 116, eosinophil 290, and thrombocyte 200,000. In the virus test, an FeLV antigen was detected and an FIV antibody was not detected.

After 5 days, although appetite and vigor were observed, the body temperature was 39.2.degree. C., and blood test results were as follows: PCV 22%, WBC 5,800, neutrophil 131, lymphocyte 4,963, monocyte 219, eosinophil 483, and thrombocyte 200,000.

The INTERCAT was dissolved in a physiological saline solution and was subcutaneously injected at a dose of 4 MU/day for six days. The dose was 1.03 MU/kg per cat weight. A transfusion (lactate Ringer's solution and glucose) was injected by intravenous drip infusion at a dose of 500 ml/day, and an antibiotic (cephalexin) was intravenously injected at a dose of 100 mg twice a day.

On the second day after the administration of the INTERCAT, the body temperature was 39.5.degree. C., and blood test results were as follows: PCV 24%, WBC 4,200, neutrophil 400, lymphocyte 3,400, monocyte 200, eosinophil 200, and thrombocyte 200,000.

On the fourth day, the body temperature was 38.7.degree. C., and blood test results were as follows: PCV 23%, WBC 5,000, neutrophil 1,150, lymphocyte 3,100, monocyte 450, eosinophil 200, and thrombocyte 200,000. On the seventh day, the body temperature was 38.9.degree. C., and blood test results were as follows: PCV 18%, WBC 6,100, neutrophil 1,769, lymphocyte 3,050, monocyte 1,220, eosinophil 61, and thrombocyte 200,000.

In this example, significant recovery of neutrophils was not observed, and abatement of fever and improved general condition were observed.

Take care,
Glenda

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Re: New To This

2005-03-07 Thread Terri Brown

I mix mine.

Salome' is my oldest -- she's 9and is the one who is "supposedly"
FeLV+. All of her sisfurs passed away, and over the years I adopted FeLV+
kitties as I could to give them a chance. All have passed away except
her. The other 3 I have now besides her are all negative and
vaccinated. Siggie is 5, and the babygirls are going to be 2 in
August.

I say "supposedly" because Salome' has never been sick a day in her
life. I've had her since she was 8 weeks old. She's never been
outside. I never had her tested (I didn't know any better), and I was told
when she was 3-1/2 that she had FeLV when her sisfur Samantha was diagnosed and
passed away (PTS) within 2 days in October 1999. Arielle passed
(PTS)in February of 2001. Then I got Siggie (negative). Then
in September 2001 I adopted 2 companion FeLV+ kitties, Gareth and Alec.
Gareth passed away in his sleep on Feb. 6, 2003 and Alec passed (PTS) late March
2003 -- he got a terrible cold (URI) and wasn't able to recover. Poor
thing was dehydrated, and full of mouth ulcers. Nothing I did
worked. Antibx injections DAILY. Vitamin injections DAILY.
Nothing. I had to let him go.

Then I got the babygirl sisfurcats (littermates) a year ago February when
they were 6 months old. My sister rescued them along with their brofur and
sisfur that she kept for herself! All 4 kittens negative and
vaccinated.

Last July 2004, they all got a cold. Something like that should have
killed Salome' if she was FeLV+ IMHO, and she came out of it just fine. No
signs of anemia or anything. She's as hearty as ever, although I do wish
she weighed more.

They're a very happy clowder!

=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=

Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My
FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My
Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:39
PM
Subject: Re: New To This

Kristina,
I'm sorry you
had to find us this way but we welcome you with open arms. There alot of us
that do mix the negatives and positives together. The negatives are vaccinated
every year. Then there are some that don't mix. We all have our own opinions
on this.
If they have been together for
some time now the damage is done.
In the start of my first Felv
kitty I was just like you separating the kitties. My Vets stated to me because
everyone had been exposed there was really nothing to do except give the
positive kitty his meds and supplements. Keep others vaccinated. I tried to
keep them apart but it just wasn't feasible they were all unhappy. I also have
the negatives tested every year as well.
My first was in the mid
seventies. They really had no idea what Felv was. But I can say he showed all
the signs of Felv. He was only two yrs old as well when I lost
him.
I lost mylast Felv kitty
Jan 2002 which was my baby. But he didn't die of the Felv it was the secondary
illness that took him from us. He was only 2 yrs old. His memorial is listed
below if you would like to see him and read his story.
There is alot of valuable
information on this list that will help your furkids. Don't get discouraged we
all have been there and will continue so as long as this damn disease is
around.
That day will come when we will
all get together to meet for the first time and eat "Cheesecake" in which I
don't like but will eat it for joy! Sayfinally there is a
cure!
Once again I'm sorry about your
kitties!

Terrie MohrCheck site
for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aolcom/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE
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Re: Lucy doesn't need surgery (probably)!

2005-03-07 Thread Terri Brown





Positive news!

=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=

Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My 
FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My 
Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:19 
  AM
  Subject: Lucy doesn't need surgery 
  (probably)!
  Lucy had her 30 day x-ray today, a little early, and her 
  bladder stone is much, much smaller! So the plan is to keep her on 
  the food (S/D) and the meds (Clavamox, pred, and some Chinese herbs) and 
  re-xray her in another 30 days. She is urinating less frequently and with 
  less blood, so I think she is more comfortable (though she never really 
  acted uncomfortable), but I was not allowing myself to hope! The vet said 
  "well, you deserve some good news every once in a while." My horse 
  Pepsi is doing worse, and I am still so grieved about Simon, so I am not 
  feeling as elated as I should, but I am feeling somewhat elated and very 
  grateful about Lucy. I was so scared that getting surgery would 
  trigger her virus. There is still a small chance that the stone will 
  not continue to dissolve all the way, because sometimes the outside is one 
  kind of stone and the inside is another, but it dissolved so much that the 
  vet thinks this is not the case with her. He thinks she had an infection 
  and the stone built around it, which happens sometimes, and which would 
  make sense in her case because she is positive and thus prone to 
  infections and had never had crystals 
before.Michelle

RE: I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring for Deirdre (FELV+)









Kathleen, I am so glad that she found you 
I hope that she will be able to stay with you for the rest of her life. I do have one feLV positive cat, Ginger
who lives separately from the rest of my cats  I feel so badly sometimes
because she is so alone (she was a feral, too, but now she loves me!!). I know
that many of the people on the list mix their cats (with positives and
negatives), but I cant do so for Ginger for a couple of reasons. I have 25 plus cats in the same house,
and most of them are corona virus positives, because of Gingers
condition, I cant risk Ginger to get any virus from others, and also, I dont
vaccinate my cats so I will be also concerned about them getting FeLV if I mix
them  but I am going to keep Ginger for the rest of my life no matter
what  I just love her 

So, regardless what you decide to do, I
hope you will always be her mom 



Hideyo



-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cherie A Gabbert
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 2:28
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: I'm new and
green.I've rescued and am caring for Deirdre (FELV+)





She sounds wonderful and wonderfully happy in your
home, I do not however think it is nessary to keep them seperated, I have a
positive and 6 negatives that live very happily together...ok not so happy ALL
the time but alot of the time they do. 





Welcome, we will help any way we can.





Cherie







Kathy Gittel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





I'd be grateful for any and all suggestions you have
for diet,
vitamins, and care for Deirdre. I fed her outside and created a
shelter for her in my shed for 1 year when she first appeared under my
evergreen tree eating birdseed. She was about 6 months old then. I
trapped her this January 1st and had her spayed, de-flead, de-wormed
and got her all her shots. She was feral. During the last 3 weeks, she 
finally began
to get friendly and is now a total mush melon. I love her. She has
taken up residence in my living room, because I must isolate her from
my other 6 cats to keep them free of FELV.

She has 2 windows, lots of toys, a couch, a special bed and she eats
Fancy Feast wet food and Adult Nutro dried food. I spend at least a 
third of my time home with her.
She's extremely spunky, loving and playful. I'd like
to keep her that way for as long as possible. I'd appreciate any and
all suggestions you might have for me.

Thank You
Kathleen Gittel

Re: Lucy doesn't need surgery (probably)!

2005-03-07 Thread catatonya

That IS good news. I hope Pepsi gets better soon as well.

tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lucy had her 30 day x-ray today, a little early, and her bladder stone is much, much smaller! So the plan is to keep her on the food (S/D) and the meds (Clavamox, pred, and some Chinese herbs) and re-xray her in another 30 days. She is urinating less frequently and with less blood, so I think she is more comfortable (though she never really acted uncomfortable), but I was not allowing myself to hope! The vet said "well, you deserve some good news every once in a while." My horse Pepsi is doing worse, and I am still so grieved about Simon, so I am not feeling as elated as I should, but I am feeling somewhat elated and very grateful about Lucy. I was so scared that getting surgery would trigger her virus. There is still a small chance that the stone will not continue to dissolve all the way, because sometimes the outside is one kind of stone
 and the inside is another, but it dissolved so much that the vet thinks this is not the case with her. He thinks she had an infection and the stone built around it, which happens sometimes, and which would make sense in her case because she is positive and thus prone to infections and had never had crystals before.Michelle

Re: Please Help! Anakin is very sick

Michelle would probally be the best bet, she went through so much with Simon, I am sorry to hear about Anakin...you guys are in my thoughts, and good vibes are coming your way 
Cheriecatstevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Anakin is very sick.All he does is sleep.I checked his gums  tong are white.I am taking him to the vet tomorrow,but they said his bone marrow is not producing blood cells.They said there was not much they can do.If there is anything I can try or if you have any suggestion please let me know.Thanks so much
 Anita

OT:Check out Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts (Cat Hunting in WI.)

2005-03-07 Thread TatorBunz



Click here: Alliance for Animals: Action Alerts 

This is about shooting the Wisconsin kitties!
"CatHunting"
Please tell those that live there to stop it!
 Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/
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RE: oreo









Thank you so much for asking. 

Oreo is trying to stand up and walk 
right now, he falls after a step or two, but he CAN stand up for a few seconds
on all four legs, which is very encouraging. We try to massage his leg, but it must
hurt him, because he tries to bite us when we try to touch his legs (but his
teeth are so small  much smaller than any of the kittens, so it wont
hurt at all)  

He still likes eating steak  my
holistic doc is going to do acupuncture on him tomorrow  I hope he can
walk, and hop again soon.



But I am very overwhelmed by the fact that
you asked me about Oreo  (which is most of you do on the list) 



Thank you,



Hideyo and Oreo



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From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of catatonya
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:12
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: oreo





Hi Hideyo,











How is Oreo doing?











t

RE: Please Help! Anakin is very sick









Does that mean the transfusion will not
help either? Will immnogloublin not help??



-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of catatonya
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:14
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Please Help! Anakin
is very sick





Anita,











No ideas, but Anakin is in my thoughts and prayers.











tonya

catstevens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









Anakin
is very sick.All he does is sleep.I checked his gums  tong are white.I am
taking him to the vet tomorrow,but they said his bone marrow is not producing
blood cells.They said there was not much they can do.If there is anything I can
try or if you have any suggestion please let me know.Thanks so much






Anita

RE: Please Help! Anakin is very sick