date:20050429

Tad,
Please, please forgive me and us we have been having so many problems with the emails, I am so incredibly sorry you lost "Baby Kitten" it is so hard. I am sending you extra big hugs and big apologies too, we are really all here for you.
Good luck with your healthy 8 cats, and please keep us informed.
CherieTad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes...My little feral FeLV+ kitten died on March 30th...The same day as Steves kitty...Her name was "Baby Kitten"I did post on here and I think 2 people replyed...She didn't make the CLS thoughMaybe I didn't come on here and cry about itenough...But I..Like Steve still think of her and miss her and I guess if I have to readabout Poor Steve every week maybe my kitty could at least be put on the CLS list... Baby Kitty was about 5 months old when she was trapped and tested pos...She waspartialy crippled when I got her and very small...She hated being in the cage so muchthat I let her out to run in the room with my other pos cats who are all very tame...She did eat well but not much of the wet food with the suppliments and until she gotsick I wasn't able to catch her...About 2 weeks before she died I suringe feed
herand put her on antibiotics...She bounced back and I thought I had saved her...Andalong with that I had tamed her into a real snuggle bug...I didn't have her that longbut I had let myself think that she was going to be around for a while...I lost 3 cats 12 - 14 years old last year but I think loosing the young kitty that nevermade it to her 1st birthday hurts just as much...I have lost 3 other FeLV+ cats but I also have 8 alive and well that I saved from beingPTS the day I brought them home...I guess thats why I keep going TadSteve Williams wrote:
Hi all,

It's been awhile. I have not been able to read the list. The email subject
lines alone have been too upsetting to me. I am beginning to think I will
never recover from the loss of Loki and Leeloo.

I wanted to send you a link to a kind of comic book story my niece Alisha
wrote for her anthropology class. It features her cats Mitas, Kaiya, and
Dotty (these are also my sister Lynda's and niece Shawna's cats... the first
bunch they rescued). they lost Leeloo and Loki's siblings, Milo and Abby to
FeLV... All listed on Belinda's CLS list).

Alisha is a bit of an artist. Click "Next" to view each page.

Enjoy,
Steve

http://alisha.leafglow.com/gallery/gallery36.html

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Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOX

I have had Cleo since Nov 04 and no she never did this before, but she came from my moms house. The last new addition was at the end of March so I do not think it is that, but since then all has been ok, she is sleeping in my chair right now, she is not even letting me sit, I am typing standing up ;-))Cheriecatatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

How long have you had Cleo? Has she ever done this before?  Don't you have some 'new' additions to your crew?  I would take all that into account..
 
tCherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

But, otherwise she is acting completely normal.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
It can mean any kind of illness, but most likely indicates that she feels extremely sick or weak. I would take her to the vet immediately.MichelleIn a message dated 4/27/05 10:29:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:<< Hello there, I just have a quick question, I am drawing a blank. One of my kitties Cleo is laying in the kitty litter box, I know this means something, I just can not place it.Thanks Cherie >>

Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil

Nina,
My positve Amber has a dilated pupil and her coloring is darker in that eye also, but nothing else is wrong and she seems to be fine with it, a little more light sensitive but that seems to be all, let me know what you find out.
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nina,I think it could be a sign of something serious, but I also seem to remember someone writing a long time ago that cats with FeLV sometimes just get this condition. I am not positive, but I really think I remember that, and that it is not a big deal when it happens. I would certainly get her checked out, but I pray that is all it is. Please try not to panic at this point (easier said than done, I know).Michelle

Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil

We all understand Nina ;-))
CherieNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks Michelle for that ray of hope. I'm trying not to panic. Before my animals started getting sick, I was so calm in crisis conditions. That's all shot to h**l now.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>Nina,> I think it could be a sign of something serious, but I also seem to >remember someone writing a long time ago that cats with FeLV sometimes just get this >condition. I am not positive, but I really think I remember that, and that >it is not a big deal when it happens. I would certainly get her checked out, >but I pray that is all it is. Please try not to panic at this point (easier >said than done, I know).>Michelle >

RE: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil

Jen,
This helps me also, thank you ;-))
CherieJen Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Nina!I've actually got three cats with this condition (I don't recall thetechnical name for it, but it's common among cats with FeLV)...Marvin(he's about 4 years old) has a pupil that's completely blown, but ishealthy in every other respect...My Ewok's right pupil will dilate everyonce in a while and has had this condition for almost two years now(he's also healthy in every other respect...the dilated pupil has beenhis only outward sign of the virus)...and my Sleepypants just recentlydeveloped the dilated pupil-thing about 3 or 4 months ago...and, again,he's doing just fine!I don't think that anyone really knows exactly why this happens to catswith FeLV...but it doesn't seem to be a condition that hurts them oraffects their quality/quantity of life! Hope this helps!Jen

Dexamethasone side effects?

2005-04-29 Thread Melbeach

I'm wondering if anyone has seen side effects from using Dexamethasone?
Brissle had an injection early last night. It seemed to pick her up at the
time. She was actually eating. Now this morning, she's crashing pretty bad. Is
this just a temporary side effect?

-Kyle

Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil

2005-04-29 Thread Melbeach

We're saying a prayer for you guys. Hopefully the list is right and it's just
a strange quirk with felv.

-Kyle

- Original Message - 
From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil


> I just posted about how well Grace has been doing.  I'm about to lose my
> mind, I'm so scared.  I'm really trying to hold it together and not get
> ahead of myself, but the thought of losing Grace, right after Jazz...
> There must be something really wrong with me.  Grace has been doing so
> well, I thought maybe...  just maybe...
>
> About 2 hours ago I noticed that Grace's left eye's pupil is dilated.
> It's contracting some in sunlight and getting bigger as the light
> lessens, but it's definitely larger than her right eye.  It doesn't look
> irritated, no tearing, no signs of abrasion.  I ran my fingers over both
> sides of her eyes and face, the left side doesn't seem any different
> than the right.  It doesn't seem to bother her when I touch that side.
> She's acting perfectly normal otherwise.  In fact the last week or so,
> she's been such a kitten.  Running, jumping cavorting, chasing great big
> Kimba Cat around, just having a grand time with life, it's been such a
> joy to witness.
>
> I called my Internist's office and spoke with Michelle.  She said it's
> possible that she got something on her paw and rubbed it over that eye,
> a plant, or something in the yard that's toxic.  I don't think that's
> it.  I don't think there's anything out there that is toxic, and if
> there is, it's sure taken them a long time to find it.  Her other
> thought was that it's something neurological.  Something, (oh shit),
> pressing on her optic nerve and causing the pupil to dilate.  Her sister
> Molly had a tumor behind, I think the same eye.  Her eye started to
> protrude and then it ruptured when she was being rushed to the ER.  If
> it's any worse by tomorrow, I'm going to go to my vet's and sit in the
> lobby until she'll see me.  Do you think I should take her in even if it
> remains stable?
>
> Has anyone had any experience with this sort of thing?  Any ideas?  I
> really don't think I can take it if I lose my Grace.  Please pray that
> this passes and she's okay.
>
> Nina
>
>
>

Re: My Baby Kitten DIED

2005-04-29 Thread carlas


Tad 

I am truly sorry to hear of the loss of your Baby Kitten.
I am sure the kitten is watching down and watching over you and is 
greatful for finding  a path that led your baby kitten to you care and 
love.

Carla

Re: Dexamethasone side effects?

Kyle, it's not a side effect. It's the drug wearing off. The reason that vets 
normally combine it with prednisone or depomedrol is that dexamethasone only 
stays in the system a day or two. It can have long-term effects if it is given 
to reduce swelling or tumor size, since it does that a lot while in the 
system and it lasts a while, but if Brissle does not have swelling or a tumor 
then 
the point of the steroid is to perk her up and increase appetite (maybe it 
also kills leukemia, but I have no idea), and that would not last long. That is 
why I said that if you have to choose between steroids I would do dex only if 
you can also add daily pred, but if the vet insists only one steroid period 
then I would do depomedrol because it is long-lasting in the system.  It is 
crazy 
that the vet would only do dexamethasone and nothing longer acting. When 
Simon first went on chemo, daily pred was part of the chemo regime but the 
oncologist started him off with a dex shot to get things going quicker, but 
gave him 
a pred pill the next day and thereafter until he crashed a few weeks later and 
we switched to dex and depo shots.
Michelle

P.S. the only side effects from steroids are long-term. Too many can cause 
diabetes long-term in some cats.  Otherwise cats are extremely tolerant of 
steroids-- much much more so than dogs and humans, and can get a lot of them 
with 
little or no problem.  My oncologist did research on how much they can actually 
get when I wanted to give Simon a lot of them when he crashed, and he 
determined it would be hard to actually give too many in the short term because 
cats 
tolerate them so well. 


In a message dated 4/29/05 9:00:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I'm wondering if anyone has seen side effects from using Dexamethasone?

Brissle had an injection early last night. It seemed to pick her up at the

time. She was actually eating. Now this morning, she's crashing pretty bad. Is

this just a temporary side effect?


-Kyle >>

Re: Dexamethasone side effects?

2005-04-29 Thread Melbeach

Thanks Michelle. Dang this is bad. The receipt I have doensn't tell what the
injection was and my vet won't be in until 2:00. I asked him first if he was
giving the long-acting or short-acting and he said long-acting. So maybe I
just have them mixed up. He gave the injection sub-q. Does that narrow it
down?

-Kyle

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: Dexamethasone side effects?


> Kyle, it's not a side effect. It's the drug wearing off. The reason that
vets
> normally combine it with prednisone or depomedrol is that dexamethasone only
> stays in the system a day or two. It can have long-term effects if it is
given
> to reduce swelling or tumor size, since it does that a lot while in the
> system and it lasts a while, but if Brissle does not have swelling or a
tumor then
> the point of the steroid is to perk her up and increase appetite (maybe it
> also kills leukemia, but I have no idea), and that would not last long. That
is
> why I said that if you have to choose between steroids I would do dex only
if
> you can also add daily pred, but if the vet insists only one steroid period
> then I would do depomedrol because it is long-lasting in the system.  It is
crazy
> that the vet would only do dexamethasone and nothing longer acting. When
> Simon first went on chemo, daily pred was part of the chemo regime but the
> oncologist started him off with a dex shot to get things going quicker, but
gave him
> a pred pill the next day and thereafter until he crashed a few weeks later
and
> we switched to dex and depo shots.
> Michelle
>
> P.S. the only side effects from steroids are long-term. Too many can cause
> diabetes long-term in some cats.  Otherwise cats are extremely tolerant of
> steroids-- much much more so than dogs and humans, and can get a lot of them
with
> little or no problem.  My oncologist did research on how much they can
actually
> get when I wanted to give Simon a lot of them when he crashed, and he
> determined it would be hard to actually give too many in the short term
because cats
> tolerate them so well.
>
>
> In a message dated 4/29/05 9:00:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << I'm wondering if anyone has seen side effects from using Dexamethasone?
>
> Brissle had an injection early last night. It seemed to pick her up at the
>
> time. She was actually eating. Now this morning, she's crashing pretty bad.
Is
>
> this just a temporary side effect?
>
>
> -Kyle >>
>
>
>

Re: Dexamethasone side effects?

They can both be given sub q.  But long-acting would be depomedrol.  But it 
would be unlikely that the depo would have acted so quickly. If it was the depo 
and it acted so quickly and is already not working, then I would guess 
steroids are not going to help her very much.  I do not know much about 
leukemia.  
Steroids normally help terminal cats feel better no matter what they have, but 
they are most effective with lymphoma because they also shrink the lymphoma 
tumors.

Here is another theory.  If she got depo, maybe she felt better initially 
just from adrenalyn from going to the vet? Does that ever happen with her? It 
does with my cats.  And maybe the depo has not kicked in yet. it can take a day 
or two.  She may really also need a transfusion in order for anything to make 
her feel better for long. Did the vet check her HCT?

Michelle


In a message dated 4/29/05 9:34:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Thanks Michelle. Dang this is bad. The receipt I have doensn't tell what 
the

injection was and my vet won't be in until 2:00. I asked him first if he was

giving the long-acting or short-acting and he said long-acting. So maybe I

just have them mixed up. He gave the injection sub-q. Does that narrow it

down?


-Kyle >>

Re: My Baby Kitten DIED

2005-04-29 Thread tamara stickler

Tad,
You and the rest on this list are just AMAZING! To become emotionally involved with any pet is such a risk, knowing the heart break and emotional & financial drain that comes with them getting older and sick. But to take in the sick from the beginning. I don't know where you all get your strength from. I DO appreciate your sacrifice.
I don't think I saw your orig. post about Baby Kitten, my special needs cat died the same week, and I couldn't bring myself to open any "death" posts. But my thoughts and prayers are will you all and your charges, always. and I thank you all.
TTad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes...My little feral FeLV+ kitten died on March 30th...The same day as Steves kitty...Her name was "Baby Kitten"I did post on here and I think 2 people replyed...She didn't make the CLS thoughMaybe I didn't come on here and cry about itenough...But I..Like Steve still think of her and miss her and I guess if I have to readabout Poor Steve every week maybe my kitty could at least be put on the CLS list... Baby Kitty was about 5 months old when she was trapped and tested pos...She waspartialy crippled when I got her and very small...She hated being in the cage so muchthat I let her out to run in the room with my other pos cats who are all very tame...She did eat well but not much of the wet food with the suppliments and until she gotsick I wasn't able to catch her...About 2 weeks before she died I suringe feed
herand put her on antibiotics...She bounced back and I thought I had saved her...Andalong with that I had tamed her into a real snuggle bug...I didn't have her that longbut I had let myself think that she was going to be around for a while...I lost 3 cats 12 - 14 years old last year but I think loosing the young kitty that nevermade it to her 1st birthday hurts just as much...I have lost 3 other FeLV+ cats but I also have 8 alive and well that I saved from beingPTS the day I brought them home...I guess thats why I keep going TadSteve Williams wrote:
Hi all,

It's been awhile. I have not been able to read the list. The email subject
lines alone have been too upsetting to me. I am beginning to think I will
never recover from the loss of Loki and Leeloo.

Alisha is a bit of an artist. Click "Next" to view each page.

Enjoy,
Steve

http://alisha.leafglow.com/gallery/gallery36.html

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Re: [Fwd: Gypsy, Grace and Toxoplasmosis?]

I actually think it makes sense to test them for toxo.  A friend who lived 
with us for a while had seven cats who all had toxo. They needed antibiotics 
twice a day for a month and they got better. I do not remember any of them 
having 
the dilated pupil, but I do recall hearing it can cause that. I would be 
surprised if no one had ever tested Gypsy for it though, given her problems.
Michelle

Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil

2005-04-29 Thread carlas

Nina

Sending prayers to Grace

Carla

Tad

2005-04-29 Thread Joan Doljan

I just wanted to add my voice to all that has been written.  I am so sorry for your loss of the little kitten.  It is so hard to lose them so young especially knowing that if they survived that they would live in a loving forever home.
 
Thank you Tad for trying and I am sure your little one understood your compassion and love.
 
Joan

Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil

2005-04-29 Thread tamara stickler

Nina,
The dilated pupil could be caused by various things. The least of which, and MOST likely since you stated that she's been ok, and acting quite like a kitten again, is that she might have given herself a slight concusion. My spaz-cat Coebeio has done this on occasiononce while spazing around the house, she leapt from the windowsill intending to land on the table, but came up short and slammed her head against its edgeOnce when she decided that the squirrel at the bird feeder really MUST DIE NOW, and she flew down the hall, into the living-room, made a grand jump about 5 feet in the air, and slammed face first into the sliding glass door. (If it was any consilationhad the door NOT been closed...she'd have had him.) ;-)
Another, more serious cause could be a blood clot in the brain, or a brain tumor. My poodlish dog- Sweet Pea, had the brain tumor...and that's how we found out...because of the dilated pupil. Just like with the concussion, it is usually caused by pressure on the brain or the eye. SP lived about 8 months after she was diagnosed (she was very old and surgery wasn't an option.)
Yet another, serious, but not fatal cause, could be that perhaps as a complication of the FeLV, she is going blind in just that eye. In this case the pupil would dilate, in order to let more light in, in an attempt to see better.
If it doesn't clear up in a few days, I'd make a vet appointment for her, just in case. Meanwhile I'll hold out hope that she was just being too rambuncous and bopped her head.
In the meantime, keep her away from any teasing squirrels.
Keep us informed. God Bless you both.
T
- Original Message - From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:59 PMSubject: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil> I just posted about how well Grace has been doing. I'm about to lose my> mind, I'm so scared. I'm really trying to hold it together and not get> ahead of myself, but the thought of losing Grace, right after Jazz...> There must be something really wrong with me. Grace has been doing so> well, I thought maybe... just maybe...>> About 2 hours ago I noticed that Grace's left eye's pupil is dilated.> It's contracting some in sunlight and getting bigger as the light> lessens, but it's definitely larger than her right eye. It doesn't look> irritated, no tearing, no signs of abrasion. I ran my fingers over
both> sides of her eyes and face, the left side doesn't seem any different> than the right. It doesn't seem to bother her when I touch that side.> She's acting perfectly normal otherwise. In fact the last week or so,> she's been such a kitten. Running, jumping cavorting, chasing great big> Kimba Cat around, just having a grand time with life, it's been such a> joy to witness.>> I called my Internist's office and spoke with Michelle. She said it's> possible that she got something on her paw and rubbed it over that eye,> a plant, or something in the yard that's toxic. I don't think that's> it. I don't think there's anything out there that is toxic, and if> there is, it's sure taken them a long time to find it. Her other> thought was that it's something neurological. Something, (oh shit),> pressing on her optic nerve and causing the pupil to dilate. Her sister> Molly had a tumor
behind, I think the same eye. Her eye started to> protrude and then it ruptured when she was being rushed to the ER. If> it's any worse by tomorrow, I'm going to go to my vet's and sit in the> lobby until she'll see me. Do you think I should take her in even if it> remains stable?>> Has anyone had any experience with this sort of thing? Any ideas? I> really don't think I can take it if I lose my Grace. Please pray that> this passes and she's okay.>> Nina>>>__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: My Baby Kitten DIED

2005-04-29 Thread Belinda Sauro

  Tad,
  I'm very sorry about Baby Kitten, I truly don't remember seeing 
anything posted about her passing.  I think this was around the time I 
was getting hundreds of thousands of spam email bouncing back to me 
(someone had hacked into one of my domain scripts and used it to send 
millions of spam emails from my email address and over half bounced back 
to me, I lost thousands of email for about a two week period) and your 
posts about Baby Kitten must have been among them.  I will most 
certainly get her posted righ now for this coming weeks coming service.  
My apologies for the omission.

My prayers are with you on your loss of such a young kitty, this disease 
is so unfair.  Take care.

--
Belinda
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RE: Nina and Gypsy/Calcium Carbonate for baby food

Title: Message



Thanks 
very much for that Nina---if Snowball (or anyone else) has diarrhea in the 
future I'll definitely try this. Kerry

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:30 
PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Nina and 
Gypsy/Calcium Carbonate for baby foodHello 
everyone,I got this post from the vet that monitors the IBD list I belong 
to.  I thought I'd pass it on to you guys for when you have to syringe 
feed, or resort to baby food.  I don't know how much the calcium and 
vitamins change the taste, but it would be really nice to know they are getting 
a balanced diet when feeding baby food.Nina>>The other thought 
is just to get her on one diet and stick with it but syringe feed her.  
I usually use Wellness plain chicken for my syringe feeding although I am 
not sure how Wellness will do with her diarrhea.  About 5% of cats with 
diarrhea do not do well on Wellness.  I add a bit of water to the 
food...puree in a blender...run it through a strainer so my syringe does not 
clog...then syringe feed.Your other option would be to syringe feed 
her plain meat baby food...but add some calcium and B-complex 
vitamins.I finally got a chance to do some calculations for adding 
calcium carbonate to baby food.  A 2.5 ounce jar needs about 50 mg of 
calcium added.  The NOW brand of calcium carbonate has 1,200 mg per 
tsp...which makes it very difficult to calculate properly. However, you 
could combine 6 jars of food and then that would require 300 mg which would 
be 1/4 tsp of the NOW CC.  Other brands have different amounts of 
elemental calcium in each tsp so you need to pay attention to that. Here are 
some links to the NOW brand of CC. http://www.nowcatalog.com/1245.htmlhttp://www.iherb.com/calcarbo.htmlYou 
also need to add some B-Complex.  Use 10-20 mg per 6 jars of baby 
food.  They come in 50mg capsules so use just a portion of the 
capsule.  If syringe feeding, go with 10 mg - or less - because you do 
not want to create a food aversion.  Taste it yourself to test 
it.  B vitamins are strong tasting.  If using a feeding tube, I 
would go with the 20 mg/6 jars of baby food.I would also add in enough 
taurine to provide 60 mg/day.>>Lisa, dvmwww.catinfo.org 
Feeding Your Cat: Know the Basics of Feline Nutrition Feline Diabetes 
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Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil

2005-04-29 Thread Belinda Sauro

   Hi Nina,
Bailey's (my positive) eyes are almost always not even, one is almost 
always more dilated that the other, they have done this for as long as I 
can remember, he is ten years okd.  So unless Grace is acting sick or 
like something is wrong I wouldn't be worried.

--
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Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil

2005-04-29 Thread Belinda Sauro

PS.  In fact with Bailey it is his left pupil also.
--
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Re: My Baby Kitten DIED

2005-04-29 Thread Barbara Lowe




everytime I see one of these subject headers my 
heart breaks for the human and their loss--reminding me that yet another sweet 
fur creature has lost her/his battle to this absolutely friggin crappy virus. 
I've had to go offmail from the list because just too many other problems right 
now in my life---but also because I just can't take the heartbreak right now but 
I realize that is very selfish because everyone here responded when I wrote of 
losing Jelly Roll last nov. I am so sorry, Tad-you lost this precious little 
friend. I'm sorry if you felt no one cared--we do--maybe too much and sometimes 
the losses that just keep adding up remind us too much of our loved ones that 
have gone to the bridge. the only thing that keeps me going is the support of 
this group and knowing I'm not alone-just as I'm not alone with fighting cancer 
now with my last dog--I wish you peace in the future and that one day the hurt 
will lessen some over this loss. Keep loving your animals-keep saving them--stay 
as wonderful as you are to fight in this battle and thank god you were granted 
the genes to care for animals and not turn away as so many others do-saying, oh 
they're just cats...
they are just cats just wonderful glorious 
beautiful creatures who found us to love them and for whatever amount of time we 
are granted to share with them on this realm, we have to revel in that 
joy.
take care,
Barbara

For Tad: My Baby Kitten DIED

Dear Tad
I just wanted to say belatedly how very sorry I am for your loss.
Nina hit the nail on the head in my case---most of us on the list get
the attention we need in our grief because we all but ask for it when we
post. Your stoicism, plus your generous inclusion of Steve's loss in
your own message, are the reason that I didn't catch on how much you
were hurting. 
I know from your posts what a tremendous and caring friend you have been
to so many suffering kitties, and I know that you many suffered many
losses. I've admired you for never giving up--I've lost 2, and each time
I didn't know how people could keep going through the grief. It's just
as hard for you, but you keep on doing it. I know that next time (as
there surely and sadly will be) I'll be thinking of, and be inspired by
you, and how you just keep going right on.
Thanks for all that you do, Tad. And I'm sorry again that this wasn't
sent a lot sooner.
take care, Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: My Baby Kitten DIED

Tad,
I too replied to your posting about Baby.  I think Tonya has a point 
here about people possibly not reading all the condolences.  I do seem 
to remember you letting us know in a reply to Steve's loss.  We all 
suffer so, with each and every loss.  It can be so painful.  I hadn't 
lost my Jazz yet, and so I did read them all.  After I lost Jazz, I had 
a very hard time reading or writing to the list, especially about 
someone losing their cat.  I know you're still hurting, of course you 
are.  How are Mommy cat and the rest of your charges doing?

I've said it before, but I'll say it again.  I'm so grateful to you for 
all you do for our animal friends.  You've been a warm, safe, loving 
haven to so many.  I feel bad that you didn't, and aren't, getting the 
support you need to help you through this.  We all do understand how you

feel.  Speaking from experience, I think you may be right about people, 
(like me), who pour their heart out to the list getting more attention.

Email is such a lousy communication tool for those who are more stoic, 
more the 'suffer in silence' type.  We get so caught up in taking care 
of our own, and trying to help each other, that even though you're in 
our thoughts, we don't write.  Please, start being more of a squeaky 
wheel, let us know what's going on at your house more.   Keep us 
informed, even if it's just to say things are going well.

Nina

catatonya wrote:

> Tad,
>  
> I'm one who did reply.  I am so sorry for your loss, but I admire 
> you for having gone through all the losses you have gone through.  I 
> think the reason you didn't get many replies (and not added to the 
> CLS) is because you told about Baby Kitty in a reply to Steve's post 
> that he had lost his cat.  I think a lot of people (after reading the 
> announcement that someone has lost one of their cats) simply delete 
> all the condolence posts without reading them. So I'm guessing most 
> people on the list didn't realize that you lost your baby kitten. 
>  I've seen this happen pretty recently with someone else as well.  In 
> their condolence reply they said they had just lost their own cat.  
> She didn't get many replies either.  I'm sorry if you felt slighted by

> the group.  : (
>  
> tonya

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Re: Carolina to Vet or Not?

2005-04-29 Thread Sharon Siders

Sally,
I know too well what you mean about that knot in your gut; that is exactly how I get when there is any deviation from the norm.
Carolina got the usual vaccines for the kitty diseases and also rabies. She has not reacted before, but she has not had any vaccination for over 3 years. She is not Felv+, last tested over 3 years ago.
She threw up a hairball last night and a bit more bile. She seems okay otherwise.
Thanks for answering.
Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Sharon:Don't panic. This could just be a reaction to something Carolina ate, or it could just be a further vaccine-related reaction. What vaccine was she given? Is Carolina running a temp? If there are any health food stores in your area, you could try getting some Thuja, dissolve a pellet in a small amount of water and syringe it in the corner of her mouth. If she is still trying to clear any toxicity from her body related to the vaccine, this might help and it won't hurt.If she continues to vomit, or is running a significant fever, refuses to eat and becomes depressed or lethargic then it would be wise to consult with a vet. Sometimes cats will vomit small amounts of fluid/food in trying to get rid of hair balls as well. The fact these symptoms have appeared so soon after being vaccinated does tend to make one suspect it
is a reaction to the vaccine. Had Carolina ever been given this particular vaccine previously? Has she had vaccines in the past and reacted? ...or not? Is she FeLV+? I would not risk giving any vaccines to an FeLV+ cat...such a stress to the immune system has been known to trigger a latent infection into an active one. I hope it may prove to be a minor gastric upset. If she tried to eat some plant matter this could be the reason, or an indication she was seeking relief from something irritating her gut. I don't know if baby's breath is toxic to cats or not.It must be a difficult time for you being still emotionally traumatized from the loss of your mom and afraid that the other shoe will drop and something may happen to other loved ones. I wish I could think of some words that could ease your anxiety. Since I became involved with FeLV+ kittys and lost my first two precious angels, every time one of the furkids sneezes or
their appetite is off a bit, I get this big knot in my gut and a feeling of dread, wondering if someone is going to crash. And even before that, after any sort of a crisis or when things weren't going smoothly, I would sometimes wake up and wonder what will go wrong TODAY? It isn't easy, but try to think calming, positive thoughts, especially where Carolina is concerned. We can surround ourselves with so much negative energy it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Try to imagine your mom's spirit being there with you to give you strength and try not to imagine the worst happening. Try to think of Carolina as strong and completely well. Hopefully she will pick up on your thoughts and that will help her get through this crisis, whatever it is.Keeping you and Carolina in my thoughts and prayers...Sally in San Jose__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?
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Re: My Baby Kitten DIED

2005-04-29 Thread Sharon Siders

Tad,
I know how much it hurts to lose a kitten; it is almost worse than losing an older cat. When I lost Ernie, I kept thinking how he never had a chance to really live.
Please know that you are in my thoughts.
SharonTad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes...My little feral FeLV+ kitten died on March 30th...The same day as Steves kitty...Her name was "Baby Kitten"I did post on here and I think 2 people replyed...She didn't make the CLS thoughMaybe I didn't come on here and cry about itenough...But I..Like Steve still think of her and miss her and I guess if I have to readabout Poor Steve every week maybe my kitty could at least be put on the CLS list... Baby Kitty was about 5 months old when she was trapped and tested pos...She waspartialy crippled when I got her and very small...She hated being in the cage so muchthat I let her out to run in the room with my other pos cats who are all very tame...She did eat well but not much of the wet food with the suppliments and until she gotsick I wasn't able to catch her...About 2 weeks before she died I suringe feed
herand put her on antibiotics...She bounced back and I thought I had saved her...Andalong with that I had tamed her into a real snuggle bug...I didn't have her that longbut I had let myself think that she was going to be around for a while...I lost 3 cats 12 - 14 years old last year but I think loosing the young kitty that nevermade it to her 1st birthday hurts just as much...I have lost 3 other FeLV+ cats but I also have 8 alive and well that I saved from beingPTS the day I brought them home...I guess thats why I keep going TadSteve Williams wrote:
Hi all,

It's been awhile. I have not been able to read the list. The email subject
lines alone have been too upsetting to me. I am beginning to think I will
never recover from the loss of Loki and Leeloo.

Alisha is a bit of an artist. Click "Next" to view each page.

Enjoy,
Steve

http://alisha.leafglow.com/gallery/gallery36.html

RE: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil

Title: RE: I'm scared for Grace - dilated  left pupil






Dear Nina

I know you've had a lot of reassuring replies since you posted, and I'm hope and praying along with you and everyone else that Grace's symptom isn't a serious one. I hope you do get to see your vet this weekend (and sooner rather than later). I can well understand how you must be consumed with worry. You've had so much stress over the past few weeks with all your furballs. I hope you're making time for that daily treat, however small? :>)

I'm sending lots of healthy, positive vibes for Grace. Give her lots of cuddles for me.

Love and hugs, Kerry


-Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nina

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:59 PM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Subject: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil



I just posted about how well Grace has been doing.  I'm about to lose my 

mind, I'm so scared.  I'm really trying to hold it together and not get 

ahead of myself, but the thought of losing Grace, right after Jazz...  

There must be something really wrong with me.  Grace has been doing so 

well, I thought maybe...  just maybe...


About 2 hours ago I noticed that Grace's left eye's pupil is dilated.  

It's contracting some in sunlight and getting bigger as the light 

lessens, but it's definitely larger than her right eye.  It doesn't look 

irritated, no tearing, no signs of abrasion.  I ran my fingers over both 

sides of her eyes and face, the left side doesn't seem any different 

than the right.  It doesn't seem to bother her when I touch that side.  

She's acting perfectly normal otherwise.  In fact the last week or so, 

she's been such a kitten.  Running, jumping cavorting, chasing great big 

Kimba Cat around, just having a grand time with life, it's been such a 

joy to witness. 


I called my Internist's office and spoke with Michelle.  She said it's 

possible that she got something on her paw and rubbed it over that eye, 

a plant, or something in the yard that's toxic.  I don't think that's 

it.  I don't think there's anything out there that is toxic, and if 

there is, it's sure taken them a long time to find it.  Her other 

thought was that it's something neurological.  Something, (oh shit), 

pressing on her optic nerve and causing the pupil to dilate.  Her sister 

Molly had a tumor behind, I think the same eye.  Her eye started to 

protrude and then it ruptured when she was being rushed to the ER.  If 

it's any worse by tomorrow, I'm going to go to my vet's and sit in the 

lobby until she'll see me.  Do you think I should take her in even if it 

remains stable?


Has anyone had any experience with this sort of thing?  Any ideas?  I 

really don't think I can take it if I lose my Grace.  Please pray that 

this passes and she's okay. 


Nina



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Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil





Thanks Joan, that's good to hear.  My internist is going to try to
squeeze me in this weekend, but thanks to you guys I'm not quite so
nervous anymore.

Joan Doljan wrote:

  Nina,
   
  I had a cat that had the same symptoms.  I paid a lot of money
for a number of tests and all turned out OK.  Eventually the eye became
normal again.
   
  Hoping for the best for Grace.
   
  Joan
  
  Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I
just posted about how well Grace has been doing. I'm about to lose my 
mind, I'm so scared. I'm really trying to hold it together and not get 
ahead of myself, but the thought of losing Grace, right after Jazz... 
There must be something really wrong with me. Grace has been doing so 
well, I thought maybe... just maybe...

About 2 hours ago I noticed that Grace's left eye's pupil is dilated. 
It's contracting some in sunlight and getting bigger as the light 
lessens, but it's definitely larger than her right eye. It doesn't look

irritated, no tearing, no signs of abrasion. I ran my fingers over both

sides of her eyes and face, the left side doesn't seem any different 
than the right. It doesn't seem to bother her when I touch that side. 
She's acting perfectly normal otherwise. In fact the last week or so, 
she's been such a kitten. Running, jumping cavorting, chasing great big

Kimba Cat around, just having a grand time with life, it's been such a 
joy to witness. 

I called my Internist's office and spoke with Michelle. She said it's 
possible that she got something on her paw and rubbed it over that eye,

a plant, or something in the yard that's toxic. I don't think that's 
it. I don't think there's anything out there that is toxic, and if 
there is, it's sure taken them a long time to find it. Her other 
thought was that it's something neurological. Something, (oh shit), 
pressing on her optic nerve and causing the pupil to dilate. Her sister

Molly had a tumor behind, I think the same eye. Her eye started to 
protrude and then it ruptured when she was being rushed to the ER. If 
it's any worse by tomorrow, I'm going to go to my vet's and sit in the 
lobby until she'll see me. Do you think I should take her in even if it

remains stable?

Has anyone had any experience with this sort of thing? Any ideas? I 
really don't think I can take it if I lose my Grace. Please pray that 
this passes and she's okay. 

Nina

Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOX





Ha!  Isn't it incredible what we do to not disturb Their Royal
Highnesses?  Whenever I'm scrunched into some ungodly pretzel position
in bed, or have to go to the bathroom, but there's a cat on my lap, I
try to remember how quick they are to disturb me with a
back-claw-launch if there's something they're interested in.
Nina

Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

  I have had Cleo since Nov 04 and no she never did this before,
but she came from my moms house. The last new addition was at the end
of March so I do not think it is that, but since then all has been ok,
she is sleeping in my chair right now, she is not even letting me sit,
I am typing standing up ;-))
Cherie

RE: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOX

Title: Message

Yes. I
don't vacuum when they're in the room in question (and never vacuum
the carpet in the feral FELV room--that's always a hands and knees job). I
don't change or make the bed if a cat is on it. And if each sofa is
occupied by a reclining cat (there are 3 sofas in the living-room and 3
cats with access to that space) I...um...sit on the floor...(When the sofas
first arrived years ago and they "figured out" it was one for each of them you
should have seen the way they raced to get their first choice). In the old
days I used to diligently spread sheets over the sofas before going to
work until I realized they loved running around (and then collapsing) UNDER
the sheets.
Friends of mine don't allow their cats on the
furniture. What fun is that?

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:04
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: LAYING
IN THE KITTY LITTER BOXHa! Isn't it incredible what
we do to not disturb Their Royal Highnesses? Whenever I'm scrunched into
some ungodly pretzel position in bed, or have to go to the bathroom, but there's
a cat on my lap, I try to remember how quick they are to disturb me with a
back-claw-launch if there's something they're interested
in.NinaCherie A Gabbert wrote:

I have had Cleo since Nov 04 and no she never did this before, but she
came from my moms house. The last new addition was at the end of March so I do
not think it is that, but since then all has been ok, she is sleeping in my
chair right now, she is not even letting me sit, I am typing standing up
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Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil





Thanks Tamara for all the personal experience about this.  The reason I
started to panic, was because Grace's littermate, Molly, (the 2nd in
the litter to pass), had a tumor behind one of her eyes.  A concussion
had not occurred to me, but the way she's been acting lately, it could
be.
Nina

tamara stickler wrote:

  Nina,
   
  The dilated pupil could be caused by various things.  The least
of which, and MOST likely since you stated that she's been ok, and
acting quite like a kitten again, is that she might have given herself
a slight concusion.  My spaz-cat Coebeio has done this on
occasiononce while spazing around the house, she leapt from the
windowsill intending to land on the table, but came up short and
slammed her head against its edgeOnce when she decided that the
squirrel at the bird feeder really MUST DIE NOW, and she flew down the
hall, into the living-room, made a grand jump about 5 feet in the air,
and slammed face first into the sliding glass door.  (If it was any
consilationhad the door NOT been closed...she'd have had him.)  ;-)
   
  Another, more serious cause could be a blood clot in the brain,
or a brain tumor.  My poodlish dog- Sweet Pea, had the brain
tumor...and that's how we found out...because of the dilated pupil. 
Just like with the concussion, it is usually caused by pressure on the
brain or the eye.  SP lived about 8 months after she was diagnosed (she
was very old and surgery wasn't an option.)
   
  Yet another, serious, but not fatal cause, could be that perhaps
as a complication of the FeLV, she is going blind in just that eye.  In
this case the pupil would dilate, in order to let more light in, in an
attempt to see better.
   
  If it doesn't clear up in a few days, I'd make a vet appointment
for her, just in case.  Meanwhile I'll hold out hope that she was just
being too rambuncous and bopped her head.
   
  In the meantime, keep her away from any teasing squirrels.
   
  Keep us informed.  God Bless you both.
  T
  
  
  

- Original Message - 
From: "Nina" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil


> I just posted about how well Grace has been doing. I'm about to
lose my
> mind, I'm so scared. I'm really trying to hold it together and not
get
> ahead of myself, but the thought of losing Grace, right after
Jazz...
> There must be something really wrong with me. Grace has been doing
so
> well, I thought maybe... just maybe...
>
> About 2 hours ago I noticed that Grace's left eye's pupil is
dilated.
> It's contracting some in sunlight and getting bigger as the light
> lessens, but it's definitely larger than her right eye. It doesn't
look
> irritated, no tearing, no signs of abrasion. I ran my fingers over
both
> sides of her eyes and face, the left side doesn't seem any
different
> than the right. It doesn't seem to bother her when I touch that
side.
> She's acting perfectly normal otherwise. In fact the last week or
so,
> she's been such a kitten. Running, jumping cavorting, chasing
great big
> Kimba Cat around, just having a grand time with life, it's been
such a
> joy to witness.
>
> I called my Internist's office and spoke with Michelle. She said
it's
> possible that she got something on her paw and rubbed it over that
eye,
> a plant, or something in the yard that's toxic. I don't think
that's
> it. I don't think there's anything out there that is toxic, and if
> there is, it's sure taken them a long time to find it. Her other
> thought was that it's something neurological. Something, (oh shit),
> pressing on her optic nerve and causing the pupil to dilate. Her
sister
> Molly had a tumor behind, I think the same eye. Her eye started to
> protrude and then it ruptured when she was being rushed to the ER.
If
> it's any worse by tomorrow, I'm going to go to my vet's and sit in
the
> lobby until she'll see me. Do you think I should take her in even
if it
> remains stable?
>
> Has anyone had any experience with this sort of thing? Any ideas? I
> really don't think I can take it if I lose my Grace. Please pray
that
> this passes and she's okay.
>
> Nina
>
>
>




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Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil

2005-04-29 Thread Lisa Roberts

Hi Nina,
My little Roxie had the same thing happen last weekend as she started to feel better from her breathing episode. One pupil was a lot larger than the other, but the next day both eyes were back to normal.
Hope you get goods news from the vet.
Lisa
P.S. - thank you so much for your last message about my Ollie and Roxie. You have such helpful information and great ideas. I have some questions for you, maybe this weekend I'll have to time to send them out. Of course, no hurry.babies always come first!!! Let us know how your appointment goes.Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I just posted about how well Grace has been doing. I'm about to lose my mind, I'm so scared. I'm really trying to hold it together and not get ahead of myself, but the thought of losing Grace, right after Jazz... There must be something really wrong with me. Grace has been doing so well, I thought maybe... just maybe...About 2 hours ago I noticed that Grace's left eye's pupil is dilated. It's contracting some in sunlight and getting bigger as the light lessens, but it's definitely larger than her right eye. It doesn't look irritated, no tearing, no signs of abrasion. I ran my fingers over both sides of her eyes and face, the left side doesn't seem any different than the right. It doesn't seem to bother her when I touch that side. She's acting perfectly normal otherwise. In fact the last week or so, she's been such a kitten. Running,
jumping cavorting, chasing great big Kimba Cat around, just having a grand time with life, it's been such a joy to witness. I called my Internist's office and spoke with Michelle. She said it's possible that she got something on her paw and rubbed it over that eye, a plant, or something in the yard that's toxic. I don't think that's it. I don't think there's anything out there that is toxic, and if there is, it's sure taken them a long time to find it. Her other thought was that it's something neurological. Something, (oh shit), pressing on her optic nerve and causing the pupil to dilate. Her sister Molly had a tumor behind, I think the same eye. Her eye started to protrude and then it ruptured when she was being rushed to the ER. If it's any worse by tomorrow, I'm going to go to my vet's and sit in the lobby until she'll see me. Do you think I should take her in even if it remains stable?Has anyone had any
experience with this sort of thing? Any ideas? I really don't think I can take it if I lose my Grace. Please pray that this passes and she's okay. Nina__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: I'm scared for Grace - dilated left pupil

2005-04-29 Thread TenHouseCats

as most of the folks are saying, while it could be serious and should
be looked at, it could just as easily be one of the simpler things
folks are suggesting

fyi, I have unequal pupils myself sometimes, which comes from a really
rare, totally benign condition that causes my optical nerves to
swell. yep, my docs and i panicked appropriately, but after lots
of testing and weird procedures, it turned out to be nothing to worry
about at all!

-- 
MaryChristine

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Nut jobs and Bed Mice





Kerry,
I think we're all nut jobs!  Have you ever asked them if they want to
help make the bed?  Whenever I get  sheets out to make the bed, my guys
come running.  They love it when I spread the sheet out over them and
with each layer a new game of "bed mice" begins.  (Bed mice is when
someone, or something, usually a foot, is moving under the covers
inviting a pouncing attack).  My Jack Russel mix, Zelda, also loves Bed
Mice.  Since she was a puppy she's loved to leap from opposing sides of
the bed on the offending lump.  She even asks for a game by sitting on
the uninhabited bed, staring intently at the smooth cover and doing her
grumble-under-her-breath vocalization, then she'll look at me, then
back at the covers.  She'll keep it up until I get on my hands and
knees and stick my hand under the covers, and the game is on!
Nina

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  Message
  
  
  Yes. I don't vacuum when they're in the
room in question (and never vacuum the carpet in the feral FELV
room--that's always a hands and knees job). I don't change or make the
bed if a cat is on it. And if each sofa is occupied by a reclining cat
(there are 3 sofas in the living-room and 3 cats with access to that
space) I...um...sit on the floor...(When the sofas first arrived years
ago and they "figured out" it was one for each of them you should have
seen the way they raced to get their first choice). In the old days I
used to diligently spread sheets over the sofas before going to work
until I realized they loved running around (and then collapsing) UNDER
the sheets.
  Friends of mine don't allow their cats on
the furniture. What fun is that?
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nina
  Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:04 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOX
  
  
Ha!  Isn't it incredible what we do to not disturb Their Royal
Highnesses?  Whenever I'm scrunched into some ungodly pretzel position
in bed, or have to go to the bathroom, but there's a cat on my lap, I
try to remember how quick they are to disturb me with a
back-claw-launch if there's something they're interested in.
Nina
  
Cherie A Gabbert wrote:
  
I have had Cleo since Nov 04 and no she never did this before,
but she came from my moms house. The last new addition was at the end
of March so I do not think it is that, but since then all has been ok,
she is sleeping in my chair right now, she is not even letting me sit,
I am typing standing up ;-))
Cherie

  
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Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOX

2005-04-29 Thread TenHouseCats

yeah, and which of the species, cats or humans, are the dumb animals?

re: the litter box issue--i, too, panic when i find someone lying the
box as it can be a sign of serious illness. when it happens, i watch
them really carefully, ask them if there's something wrong
(occasionally they'll even answer)--but in most cases it's turned out
to be nothing. for some reason, at that moment in time, they've just
decided that's a place they want to hang out. they're cats. while ANY
change in behavior needs to be paid attention to, not everything has a
dire meaning.
-- 
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Re: What would we do without the list?









Thank you
everyone for responding so quickly and thoroughly to my
latest scare with Grace.  You've reset my heart rate and I'm feeling
much more calm.  My vet has given me an appointment Saturday at 2pm.  I
probably don't have to take her, she's acting fine otherwise, and she's
showing no further symptoms.  But, I'm haunted by the canceled
appointment that Jazz didn't get because I thought she was feeling
better, so we're going.  I shudder to think of what my state of mind
would be, if all I had to help me deal with my animal's illnesses were
vets!  You guys are always so helpful, informative and supportive.  I
think we should all get together, pool our money and buy a huge piece
of property and start a commune, (with really high walls!).
Much love to all of you,
Nina

RE: Nut jobs and Bed Mice

2005-04-29 Thread Faye Lewis

ROTFL AT BOTH OF YOU--KERRY, NINA!!.  I do all that too.
My cat Magellan, aka General Magellan, harrasses my mother when she visits. 
It is hysterical.  All he wants is her undivided attention and will go to 
any means to get it.  Including: completely unmaking her bed right after she 
has made it, unpacking her suitcase and throwing the contents on the floor, 
Wrestling her pillow to the floor.  Pulling out the contents of her purse. 
He just won't let up until she acknowledges him a MAJOR way.

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Kerry,
I think we're all nut jobs!  Have you ever asked them if they want to help 
make the bed?  Whenever I get  sheets out to make the bed, my guys come 
running.  They love it when I spread the sheet out over them and with each 
layer a new game of "bed mice" begins.  (Bed mice is when someone, or 
something, usually a foot, is moving under the covers inviting a pouncing 
attack).  My Jack Russel mix, Zelda, also loves Bed Mice.  Since she was a 
puppy she's loved to leap from opposing sides of the bed on the offending 
lump.  She even asks for a game by sitting on the uninhabited bed, staring 
intently at the smooth cover and doing her grumble-under-her-breath 
vocalization, then she'll look at me, then back at the covers.  She'll keep 
it up until I get on my hands and knees and stick my hand under the covers, 
and the game is on!
Nina

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:
Yes. I don't vacuum when they're in the room in question (and never vacuum 
the carpet in the feral FELV room--that's always a hands and knees job). I 
don't change or make the bed if a cat is on it. And if each sofa is 
occupied by a reclining cat (there are 3 sofas in the living-room and 3 
cats with access to that space) I...um...sit on the floor...(When the 
sofas first arrived years ago and they "figured out" it was one for each 
of them you should have seen the way they raced to get their first 
choice). In the old days I used to diligently spread sheets over the sofas 
before going to work until I realized they loved running around (and then 
collapsing) UNDER the sheets.
Friends of mine don't allow their cats on the furniture. What fun is that?
-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nina
*Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2005 12:04 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOX

Ha!  Isn't it incredible what we do to not disturb Their Royal Highnesses? 
 Whenever I'm scrunched into some ungodly pretzel position in bed, or 
have to go to the bathroom, but there's a cat on my lap, I try to remember 
how quick they are to disturb me with a back-claw-launch if there's 
something they're interested in.
Nina

Cherie A Gabbert wrote:
I have had Cleo since Nov 04 and no she never did this before, but she 
came from my moms house. The last new addition was at the end of March so 
I do not think it is that, but since then all has been ok, she is 
sleeping in my chair right now, she is not even letting me sit, I am 
typing standing up ;-))
Cherie
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RE: What would we do without the list?

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I think we should all get 
together, pool our money and buy a huge piece of property and start a commune, 
(with really high walls!).
 
Count me 
in!


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On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:28 
PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: What would 
we do without the list?
Thank you everyone 
  for responding so quickly and thoroughly to my latest scare with Grace.  
  You've reset my heart rate and I'm feeling much more calm.  My vet has 
  given me an appointment Saturday at 2pm.  I probably don't have to take 
  her, she's acting fine otherwise, and she's showing no further symptoms.  
  But, I'm haunted by the canceled appointment that Jazz didn't get because I 
  thought she was feeling better, so we're going.  I shudder to think of 
  what my state of mind would be, if all I had to help me deal with my animal's 
  illnesses were vets!  You guys are always so helpful, informative and 
  supportive.  I think we should all get together, pool our money and buy a 
  huge piece of property and start a commune, (with really high walls!).Much 
  love to all of you,NinaThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.

RE: Nut jobs and Bed Mice

That IS hysterical. What a sweetheart!
Dumb Brit Q--what's ROTFL?

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ROTFL AT BOTH OF YOU--KERRY, NINA!!.  I do all that too.

My cat Magellan, aka General Magellan, harrasses my mother when she
visits. 
It is hysterical.  All he wants is her undivided attention and will go
to 
any means to get it.  Including: completely unmaking her bed right after
she 
has made it, unpacking her suitcase and throwing the contents on the
floor, 
Wrestling her pillow to the floor.  Pulling out the contents of her
purse. 
He just won't let up until she acknowledges him a MAJOR way.

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>Kerry,
>I think we're all nut jobs!  Have you ever asked them if they want to
help 
>make the bed?  Whenever I get  sheets out to make the bed, my guys come

>running.  They love it when I spread the sheet out over them and with
each 
>layer a new game of "bed mice" begins.  (Bed mice is when someone, or 
>something, usually a foot, is moving under the covers inviting a
pouncing 
>attack).  My Jack Russel mix, Zelda, also loves Bed Mice.  Since she
was a 
>puppy she's loved to leap from opposing sides of the bed on the
offending 
>lump.  She even asks for a game by sitting on the uninhabited bed,
staring 
>intently at the smooth cover and doing her grumble-under-her-breath 
>vocalization, then she'll look at me, then back at the covers.  She'll
keep 
>it up until I get on my hands and knees and stick my hand under the
covers, 
>and the game is on!
>Nina
>
>MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:
>
>>Yes. I don't vacuum when they're in the room in question (and never
vacuum 
>>the carpet in the feral FELV room--that's always a hands and knees
job). I 
>>don't change or make the bed if a cat is on it. And if each sofa is 
>>occupied by a reclining cat (there are 3 sofas in the living-room and
3 
>>cats with access to that space) I...um...sit on the floor...(When the 
>>sofas first arrived years ago and they "figured out" it was one for
each 
>>of them you should have seen the way they raced to get their first 
>>choice). In the old days I used to diligently spread sheets over the
sofas 
>>before going to work until I realized they loved running around (and
then 
>>collapsing) UNDER the sheets.
>>Friends of mine don't allow their cats on the furniture. What fun is
that?
>>-Original Message-
>>*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nina
>>*Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2005 12:04 PM
>>*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>*Subject:* Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOX
>>
>>Ha!  Isn't it incredible what we do to not disturb Their Royal
Highnesses? 
>>  Whenever I'm scrunched into some ungodly pretzel position in bed, or

>>have to go to the bathroom, but there's a cat on my lap, I try to
remember 
>>how quick they are to disturb me with a back-claw-launch if there's 
>>something they're interested in.
>>Nina
>>
>>Cherie A Gabbert wrote:
>>
>>>I have had Cleo since Nov 04 and no she never did this before, but
she 
>>>came from my moms house. The last new addition was at the end of
March so 
>>>I do not think it is

RE: Nut jobs and Bed Mice

2005-04-29 Thread Barb Moermond

ROTFL - roll(ing) on the floor laughing"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That IS hysterical. What a sweetheart!Dumb Brit Q--what's ROTFL?-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Faye LewisSent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:32 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Nut jobs and Bed MiceROTFL AT BOTH OF YOU--KERRY, NINA!!. I do all that too.My cat Magellan, aka General Magellan, harrasses my mother when shevisits. It is hysterical. All he wants is her undivided attention and will goto any means to get it. Including: completely unmaking her bed right aftershe has made it, unpacking her suitcase and throwing the contents on thefloor, Wrestling her pillow to the floor. Pulling out the contents of herpurse. He just won't let up until she acknowledges him a MAJOR way.>From:
 Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>Subject: Nut jobs and Bed Mice>Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:49:55 -0700>MIME-Version: 1.0>Received: from ns.pnet-server6.net ([207.44.240.64]) bymc2-f13.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:50:07 -0700>Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ns.pnet-server6.net)by >ns.pnet-server6.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43)id 1DRZcj-0004AX-Pz; Fri, 29Apr >2005 13:49:57 -0400>Received: from [206.46.252.48] (helo=vms048pub.verizon.net)by >ns.pnet-server6.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DRZcg-0004AK-5tfor >felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:49:54 -0400>Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.109.101.74])by vms048.mailsrvcs.net(Sun >Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with >ESMTPA
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 Return-Path: >[EMAIL PROTECTED]>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2005 17:50:07.0951 (UTC) >FILETIME=[E1CCCDF0:01C54CE3]>>Kerry,>I think we're all nut jobs! Have you ever asked them if they want tohelp >make the bed? Whenever I get sheets out to make the bed, my guys come>running. They love it when I spread the sheet out over them and witheach >layer a new game of "bed mice" begins. (Bed mice is when someone, or >something, usually a foot, is moving under the covers inviting apouncing >attack). My Jack Russel mix, Zelda, also loves Bed Mice. Since shewas a >puppy she's loved to leap from opposing sides of the bed on theoffending >lump. She even asks for a game by sitting on the uninhabited bed,staring >intently at the smooth cover and doing her grumble-under-her-breath >vocalization, then she'll look at me, then back at the covers.
 She'llkeep >it up until I get on my hands and knees and stick my hand under thecovers, >and the game is on!>Nina>>MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:>>>Yes. I don't vacuum when they're in the room in question (and nevervacuum >>the carpet in the feral FELV room--that's always a hands and kneesjob). I >>don't change or make the bed if a cat is on it. And if each sofa is >>occupied by a reclining cat (there are 3 sofas in the living-room and3 >>cats with access to that space) I...um...sit on the floor...(When the >>sofas first arrived years ago and they "figured out" it was one foreach >>of them you should have seen the way they raced to get their first >>choice). In the old days I used to diligently spread sheets over thesofas >>before going to work until I realized they loved running around (andthen >>collapsing) UNDER
 the sheets.>>Friends of mine don't allow their cats on the furniture. What fun isthat?>>-Original Message->>*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nina>>*Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2005 12:04 PM>>*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>*Subject:* Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOXHa! Isn't it incredible what we do to not disturb Their RoyalHighnesses? >> Whenever I'm scrunched into some ungodly pretzel position in bed, or>>have to go to the bathroom, but there's a cat on my lap, I try toremember >>how quick they are to disturb me with a back-claw-launch if there's >>something they're interested in.>>NinaCherie A Gabbert wrote:>I have had Cleo since Nov 04 and no she never did this before, butshe
 >>>came from my moms house. The last new addition was at the end ofMarch so >>>I do not think it is that, but since then all has been ok, she is >>>sleeping

Re: What would we do without the list?

2005-04-29 Thread TenHouseCats

yep, the gracelessly-aging-home-for-crazy-cat-ladies (and their
significant others)

On 4/29/05, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> I think we should all get together, pool our money and buy a huge piece
> of property and start a commune, (with really high walls!). 
>   
> Count me in!
>  
> 
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Nina
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:28 PM
> To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: What would we do without the list?
> 
>  
> Thank you everyone for responding so quickly and thoroughly to my latest
> scare with Grace.  You've reset my heart rate and I'm feeling much more
> calm.  My vet has given me an appointment Saturday at 2pm.  I probably don't
> have to take her, she's acting fine otherwise, and she's showing no further
> symptoms.  But, I'm haunted by the canceled appointment that Jazz didn't get
> because I thought she was feeling better, so we're going.  I shudder to
> think of what my state of mind would be, if all I had to help me deal with
> my animal's illnesses were vets!  You guys are always so helpful,
> informative and supportive.  I think we should all get together, pool our
> money and buy a huge piece of property and start a commune, (with really
> high walls!).
> Much love to all of you,
> Nina
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RE: Nut jobs and Bed Mice

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thanks!

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On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:56 
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Bed Mice
ROTFL - roll(ing) on the floor laughing"MacKenzie, Kerry N." 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
That 
  IS hysterical. What a sweetheart!Dumb Brit Q--what's 
  ROTFL?-Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Faye LewisSent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:32 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Nut jobs and Bed 
  MiceROTFL AT BOTH OF YOU--KERRY, NINA!!. I do all that 
  too.My cat Magellan, aka General Magellan, harrasses my mother when 
  shevisits. It is hysterical. All he wants is her undivided attention 
  and will goto any means to get it. Including: completely unmaking her 
  bed right aftershe has made it, unpacking her suitcase and throwing 
  the contents on thefloor, Wrestling her pillow to the floor. Pulling 
  out the contents of herpurse. He just won't let up until she 
  acknowledges him a MAJOR way.>! ;From: Nina 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>To: 
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  >FILETIME=[E1CCCDF0:01C54CE3]>>Kerry,>I think 
  we're all nut jobs! Have you ever asked them if they want tohelp 
  >make the bed? Whenever I get sheets out to make the bed, my guys 
  come>running. They love it when I spread the sheet out over them 
  and witheach >layer a new game of "bed mice" begins. (Bed mice is 
  when someone, or >something, usually a foot, is moving under the covers 
  inviting apouncing >attack). My Jack Russel mix, Zelda, also loves 
  Bed Mice. Since shewas a >puppy she's loved to leap from opposing 
  sides of the bed on theoffending >lump. She even asks for a game by 
  sitting on the uninhabited bed,staring >intently at the smooth 
  cover and doing her grumble-under-her-breath >vocalization, then she'll 
  look at me, then back at the cover! s. She'llkeep >it up until I 
  get on my hands and knees and stick my hand under thecovers, >and 
  the game is on!>Nina>>MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  wrote:>>>Yes. I don't vacuum when they're in the room in 
  question (and nevervacuum >>the carpet in the feral FELV 
  room--that's always a hands and kneesjob). I >>don't change or 
  make the bed if a cat is on it. And if each sofa is >>occupied by a 
  reclining cat (there are 3 sofas in the living-room and3 >>cats 
  with access to that space) I...um...sit on the floor...(When the 
  >>sofas first arrived years ago and they "figured out" it was one 
  foreach >>of them you should have seen the way they raced to get 
  their first >>choice). In the old days I used to diligently spread 
  sheets over thesofas >>before going to work until I realized 
  they loved running around (andthen >>collapsing! ) UNDER the 
  sheets.>>Friends of mine don't allow their cats on the furniture. 
  What fun isthat?>>-Original Message->>*From:* 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of 
  *Nina>>*Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2005 12:04 PM>>*To:* 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>*Subject:* Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY 
  LITTER BOXHa! Isn't it incredible what we do to not 
  disturb Their RoyalHighnesses? >> Whenever I'm scrunched into 
  some ung

Re: Nut jobs and Bed Mice

2005-04-29 Thread tamara stickler

Count me in on that too!  Making the bed was one of Quintapus' favorite games, and he'd actually get disappointed if I did it on Sunday instead of Saturday!  As soon as he saw me take the sheets out of the dryer or the closet, he came running!  He didn't play too much in his later years, but that was still a game that would have him going like a kitten!
 
My terrrior / poodle mix started the game...only instead of bed mice, we called it hunting woozies.  The game came to a screetching halt, for her anyway, soon after Quintapus cameand joined in.  He had gotten under the covers, she was on top, and when Schatzi actually managed to finally catch that woozieit turned out to have teeth and claws!  Since that incident...she would just sit on the floor and watch Quint and I play, and no amount of cajoling could get her to join again.  But she did have the last say...when Quintie decided the game was over each time, he'd jump off the bed and Schaz would case him through the house until they knocked something over!  
 
Quintie began teaching Coebeio the game about two months before he died, so we still play itjust not with all the vim and viggor we once did.  I had had Coe for 4 yrs and she never showed any interest...its as if Quint was telling her"ok, now she likes to play this silly game, so when I'm gone it'll fall to you.."  Then the first time I changed the sheets after he died...expecting not to play the game...Coe came trotting in just as I had put on the fitted sheets.  :-)
 
Oh yes, and the two chairs in the living room...they belong to the catsas apparently does the chair in my studio (course only when I'm in it!  They jump up behind me and try to push me off)!
 
We may be nutjobs...but we do have innocent fun!Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kerry,I think we're all nut jobs!  Have you ever asked them if they want to help make the bed?  Whenever I get  sheets out to make the bed, my guys come running.  They love it when I spread the sheet out over them and with each layer a new game of "bed mice" begins.  (Bed mice is when someone, or something, usually a foot, is moving under the covers inviting a pouncing attack).  My Jack Russel mix, Zelda, also loves Bed Mice.  Since she was a puppy she's loved to leap from opposing sides of the bed on the offending lump.  She even asks for a game by sitting on the uninhabited bed, staring intently at the smooth cover and doing her grumble-under-her-breath vocalization, then she'll look at me, then back at the covers.  She'll keep it up until I get on my hands and knees and stick my hand under the covers, and the game is
 on!NinaMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:


Yes. I don't vacuum when they're in the room in question (and never vacuum the carpet in the feral FELV room--that's always a hands and knees job). I don't change or make the bed if a cat is on it. And if each sofa is occupied by a reclining cat (there are 3 sofas in the living-room and 3 cats with access to that space) I...um...sit on the floor...(When the sofas first arrived years ago and they "figured out" it was one for each of them you should have seen the way they raced to get their first choice). In the old days I used to diligently spread sheets over the sofas before going to work until I realized they loved running around (and then collapsing) UNDER the sheets.
Friends of mine don't allow their cats on the furniture. What fun is that?
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOXHa!  Isn't it incredible what we do to not disturb Their Royal Highnesses?  Whenever I'm scrunched into some ungodly pretzel position in bed, or have to go to the bathroom, but there's a cat on my lap, I try to remember how quick they are to disturb me with a back-claw-launch if there's something they're interested
 in.NinaCherie A Gabbert wrote:

I have had Cleo since Nov 04 and no she never did this before, but she came from my moms house. The last new addition was at the end of March so I do not think it is that, but since then all has been ok, she is sleeping in my chair right now, she is not even letting me sit, I am typing standing up ;-))CherieThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Belinda - CLS -

2005-04-29 Thread Doljan, Joan

Title: Message



Belinda,
 
Can you please add 
my friend's mother's cat (Martha Fabinski) Mimi to the Candle Light 
Service.  Mimi died on April 27th and was 9 years old.  (She was 
FELV-).
 
Thank 
you,
 
Joan

CORRECTION - CLS - Belinda

2005-04-29 Thread Doljan, Joan

Title: Message



Mimi was 11 years 
old, her mother had her for 9 years.
 
Thank 
you,
 
Joan

RE: Nut jobs and Bed Mice

Title: Message



>>They jump up behind me and 
try to push me off)!<<< 
 
The scamps---that's hilarious 
too!
 
 
 

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Friday, April 29, 2005 2:59 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Nut jobs and 
Bed Mice
Count me in on that too!  Making the bed was one of Quintapus' 
favorite games, and he'd actually get disappointed if I did it on Sunday instead 
of Saturday!  As soon as he saw me take the sheets out of the dryer or the 
closet, he came running!  He didn't play too much in his later years, but 
that was still a game that would have him going like a kitten!
 
My terrrior / poodle mix started the game...only instead of bed mice, we 
called it hunting woozies.  The game came to a screetching halt, for her 
anyway, soon after Quintapus cameand joined in.  He had gotten under 
the covers, she was on top, and when Schatzi actually managed to finally catch 
that woozieit turned out to have teeth and claws!  Since that 
incident...she would just sit on the floor and watch Quint and I play, and no 
amount of cajoling could get her to join again.  But she did have the last 
say...when Quintie decided the game was over each time, he'd jump off the bed 
and Schaz would case him through the house until they knocked something 
over!  
 
Quintie began teaching Coebeio the game about two months before he died, so 
we still play itjust not with all the vim and viggor we once did.  I 
had had Coe for 4 yrs and she never showed any interest...its as if Quint was 
telling her"ok, now she likes to play this silly game, so when I'm gone 
it'll fall to you.."  Then the first time I changed the sheets after he 
died...expecting not to play the game...Coe came trotting in just as I had put 
on the fitted sheets.  :-)
 
Oh yes, and the two chairs in the living room...they belong to the 
catsas apparently does the chair in my studio (course only when I'm in 
it!  They jump up behind me and try to push me off)!
 
We may be nutjobs...but we do have innocent fun!Nina 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kerry,I 
  think we're all nut jobs!  Have you ever asked them if they want to help 
  make the bed?  Whenever I get  sheets out to make the bed, my guys 
  come running.  They love it when I spread the sheet out over them and 
  with each layer a new game of "bed mice" begins.  (Bed mice is when 
  someone, or something, usually a foot, is moving under the covers inviting a 
  pouncing attack).  My Jack Russel mix, Zelda, also loves Bed Mice.  
  Since she was a puppy she's loved to leap from opposing sides of the bed on 
  the offending lump.  She even asks for a game by sitting on the 
  uninhabited bed, staring intently at the smooth cover and doing her 
  grumble-under-her-breath vocalization, then she'll look at me, then back at 
  the covers.  She'll keep it up until I get on my hands and knees and 
  stick my hand under the covers, and the game is on!NinaMacKenzie, 
  Kerry N. wrote:
  

Yes. I don't vacuum when they're in the room in 
question (and never vacuum the carpet in the feral FELV 
room--that's always a hands and knees job). I don't change or make the 
bed if a cat is on it. And if each sofa is occupied by a reclining 
cat (there are 3 sofas in the living-room and 3 cats with access to 
that space) I...um...sit on the floor...(When the sofas first arrived years 
ago and they "figured out" it was one for each of them you should have seen 
the way they raced to get their first choice). In the old days I used 
to diligently spread sheets over the sofas before going to work 
until I realized they loved running around (and then collapsing) UNDER 
the sheets.
Friends of mine don't allow their cats on the 
furniture. What fun is that?
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:04 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: 
Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOXHa!  Isn't 
it incredible what we do to not disturb Their Royal Highnesses?  
Whenever I'm scrunched into some ungodly pretzel position in bed, or have to 
go to the bathroom, but there's a cat on my lap, I try to remember how quick 
they are to disturb me with a back-claw-launch if there's something they're 
interested in.NinaCherie A Gabbert wrote:

  I have had Cleo since Nov 04 and no she never did this before, but 
  she came from my moms house. The last new addition was at the end of March 
  so I do not think it is that, but since then all has been ok, she is 
  sleeping in my chair right now, she is not even letting me sit, I am 
  typing standing up ;-))CherieThis email and any 
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OT does anyone know the quality of Trader Joe cat food

Hi all
Does anyone know if Trader Joe cat food is high quality like Wellness
etc.
(It would save me a trip to Wholefood tonight if it were as I'm going to
TJ tomorrow in any case)
Thanks, Kerry
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Re: OT does anyone know the quality of Trader Joe cat food




I give it to mine (in addition to Wellness, etc.-- they like a variety!) It 
does not seem to have any by-products and few grains, and they really like it. 
>From all appearances it looks to me as good as most of the health food 
brands.  
Michelle

RE: OT does anyone know the quality of Trader Joe cat food

Title: Message



Fabulous! Thanks so much Michelle. 


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2005 4:24 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT 
does anyone know the quality of Trader Joe cat food
I give it to mine (in addition to Wellness, etc.-- they like a variety!) It 
does not seem to have any by-products and few grains, and they really like it. 
>From all appearances it looks to me as good as most of the health food 
brands.  
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Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOX

Ain't it the truth ;-))
CherieNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ha!  Isn't it incredible what we do to not disturb Their Royal Highnesses?  Whenever I'm scrunched into some ungodly pretzel position in bed, or have to go to the bathroom, but there's a cat on my lap, I try to remember how quick they are to disturb me with a back-claw-launch if there's something they're interested in.NinaCherie A Gabbert wrote:

I have had Cleo since Nov 04 and no she never did this before, but she came from my moms house. The last new addition was at the end of March so I do not think it is that, but since then all has been ok, she is sleeping in my chair right now, she is not even letting me sit, I am typing standing up ;-))Cherie

Re: Nut jobs and Bed Mice

I hear ya, I will actually call the whole crew in and play with as many as I can with the hand and blanket game while making the beds ;-))Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kerry,I think we're all nut jobs!  Have you ever asked them if they want to help make the bed?  Whenever I get  sheets out to make the bed, my guys come running.  They love it when I spread the sheet out over them and with each layer a new game of "bed mice" begins.  (Bed mice is when someone, or something, usually a foot, is moving under the covers inviting a pouncing attack).  My Jack Russel mix, Zelda, also loves Bed Mice.  Since she was a puppy she's loved to leap from opposing sides of the bed on the offending lump.  She even asks for a game by sitting on the uninhabited bed, staring intently at the smooth cover and doing her grumble-under-her-breath vocalization, then she'll look at me, then back at the covers.  She'll keep it up until I get on my hands and knees and stick my hand under the covers, and the game is
 on!NinaMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:


Yes. I don't vacuum when they're in the room in question (and never vacuum the carpet in the feral FELV room--that's always a hands and knees job). I don't change or make the bed if a cat is on it. And if each sofa is occupied by a reclining cat (there are 3 sofas in the living-room and 3 cats with access to that space) I...um...sit on the floor...(When the sofas first arrived years ago and they "figured out" it was one for each of them you should have seen the way they raced to get their first choice). In the old days I used to diligently spread sheets over the sofas before going to work until I realized they loved running around (and then collapsing) UNDER the sheets.
Friends of mine don't allow their cats on the furniture. What fun is that?
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOXHa!  Isn't it incredible what we do to not disturb Their Royal Highnesses?  Whenever I'm scrunched into some ungodly pretzel position in bed, or have to go to the bathroom, but there's a cat on my lap, I try to remember how quick they are to disturb me with a back-claw-launch if there's something they're interested
 in.NinaCherie A Gabbert wrote:

I have had Cleo since Nov 04 and no she never did this before, but she came from my moms house. The last new addition was at the end of March so I do not think it is that, but since then all has been ok, she is sleeping in my chair right now, she is not even letting me sit, I am typing standing up ;-))CherieThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.

Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOX

Sometimes I think the animals surpass us greatly, hey who has it made we work for them and clean up after them, and all the while they scatch our couchs, run our pantyhose on the way out the door, miss the kitty litter box, and are still a loved part of all our family'shmmm I wonder ;-))
CherieTenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
yeah, and which of the species, cats or humans, are the dumb animals?re: the litter box issue--i, too, panic when i find someone lying thebox as it can be a sign of serious illness. when it happens, i watchthem really carefully, ask them if there's something wrong(occasionally they'll even answer)--but in most cases it's turned outto be nothing. for some reason, at that moment in time, they've justdecided that's a place they want to hang out. they're cats. while ANYchange in behavior needs to be paid attention to, not everything has adire meaning.-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

Re: Nut jobs and Bed Mice

tamara stickler wrote:
>Quintie began teaching Coebeio the game about two months before he 
died, so we still play itjust not with all the vim and viggor we 
once did.  I had had Coe for 4 yrs and she never showed any 
interest...its as if Quint was telling her"ok, now she likes to play 
this silly game, so when I'm gone it'll fall to you.."  Then the first 
time I changed the sheets after he died...expecting not to play the 
game...Coe came trotting in just as I had put on the fitted sheets.  :-)>

I've noticed that too.  The ones that are left seem to try to pick up on 
special duties, games etc., as if they're trying to fill the void.  You 
might remember my wondering who would be nice to Kimba Cat, now that 
Jazz is gone.  Well, Grace has begun to touch noses with him and they've 
even engaged in play.  Grace has also begun to trill to me.  Jazz was 
the only one that used the vocalization on a regular basis.  I've seen 
it with my dogs too.  I've had alot of people that tell me that their 
old dog "taught" behaviors to the pup before he passed and the new ones 
take over certain tasks that they never did before. 

It's so bittersweet thinking of the things we used to do together.  When 
I was typing about my guys helping make the bed, I was so sad thinking 
how it's not quite the same with two instead of three, (the older cats 
rarely join in).  On the first shopping trip after Jazz died, I found 
myself telling the butcher I have two FeLV babies.  I just couldn't help 
myself, it was so hard to reduce the number out loud.
Nina

Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOX

2005-04-29 Thread TatorBunz





oh yeah and puke on the carpet instead of tile floor...
bring up hairballs on the bed or on my husband side of the bed on the floor...LMAO  
but do you think he will pick it up??  Hell No!
he makes a point of telling me it's down there his stomach can't handle it
 
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Sometimes I think the animals surpass us greatly, hey who has it made we work for them and clean up after them, and all the while they scatch our couchs, run our pantyhose on the way out the door, miss the kitty litter box, and are still a loved part of all our family'shmmm I wonder ;-))
Cherie

 
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Re: Belinda - CLS -

2005-04-29 Thread Terri Brown

Title: Message




Please extend my condolences to your friend and her mother.
 
Goodnight, sweet Mimi...
 
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furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=
 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Doljan, Joan 
  To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' 
  
  Cc: 'Raymaker, Norrice 
  (LEGAL)' 
  Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 4:40 
PM
  Subject: Belinda - CLS - 
  
  Belinda,
   
  Can you please add 
  my friend's mother's cat (Martha Fabinski) Mimi to the Candle Light 
  Service.  Mimi died on April 27th and was 9 years old.  (She was 
  FELV-).
   
  Thank 
  you,
   
  Joan

Re: What would we do without the list?

2005-04-29 Thread Sheila208

Me too.
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Re: Nut jobs and Bed Mice

2005-04-29 Thread felv




My cats have full control over the household. NO rules, except 
don't run out the door. They are allowed to shred ANY furniture, they walk on 
ANY counters, they sleep ANYWHERE they want. Most people think I am nuts, but I 
figure that since I have kept them locked inside away from all the bugs to chase 
and things to explore, the least I can do is allow them free reign in the house! 
Tigger is the one who always sleeps UNDER the covers, I call him "lump". When I 
go to leave the house, I pet everyone and tell them I love them, and say bye, 
and when I go to Tigger under the covers, I rub the "lump" and say "Bye my 
little lumpy-man!". We call the covers attack game "cover-chase", but "bed mice" 
has a nice ring to it too. Another thing people differ on, when your cat is 
kneading, some people call it "making bread" some call it "kneading dough" some 
call it "tenderizing" some call it "pitter-pattering". When I was a kid, my 
family called it "Pitter-pattering" but now my boyfriend and I refer to it as 
"tenderizing", mostly because my BIG boy, Doobie, likes to do it on your belly, 
and it actually leave hundreds of tiny puncture holes all over your belly when 
he is done, thus, you have been "tenderized". LOL! (Yes, it does hurt, in case 
you are wondering. I told you people call me nuts!)
Jenn
 
~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
 
If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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Re: What would we do without the list?

2005-04-29 Thread felv




That would be great! I can't imagine anywhere I would rather 
be than surrounded by people who know what means to devote their lives to 
cats. We could call it Purrsville.
Jenn
 
~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
 
If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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my two newest rescues

2005-04-29 Thread Jenn




Yesterday I took in two severely neglected Persians. They both 
have been groomed (shaved and de-bugged), and one has had a full vetting (shots 
and neuter, but not FELV tested). Anyways, the one I spent all the money on, he 
was so matted that when they shaved him, his hair came off al in one piece. It 
literally looks like someone has skinned a cat, the hair came off in ONE BIG 
MATT! I didn't have enough money to get them both UTD of everything and both 
neutered, so the other one just had a haircut and revolution treatment for fleas 
and earmites. So, they are both much more comfortable now. Just wanted to share 
my newest arrivals with you guys. I have NO idea if they are FELV+ or not, ran 
out of funds for testing. 
 
Anyways, I converted one of our closets into a isolation unit. 
You guys may be interested in this, it really works great. It's a average sized 
clothes closet, I took out the shelves and the clothes rod, and removed the wood 
door. Then I took an old glass storm window from storage and it fit right into 
the door frame, but only goes 3/4 of the way up the doorway. I made a little 
frame of rabbit wire and wood to cover the upper 1/4 of the doorway, and I 
secured the wire part to the top of the doorframe with wood screws, so it can 
flap up from the bottom. Then I just angled in two wood screws in front of the 
glass storm door frame in the doorframe, so all I have to do is unscrew two 
screws (I only screw them in about halfway), and the "door" is easily removed. I 
added a clamp lamp on one of the wood supports that held up the shelves. Now I 
have a nice 2x5 isolation room with a glass door I can see through to check up 
on the cats through, but my cats can't get nose-to-nose with the new cats 
through. They can see each other, and get to know each other, but with a solid 
glass barrier between them. It really works great. I put the old beat up foster 
and smith cat tree in there, it has two levels, a half-round cup and a solid 
tunnel, and now they have a place to get off the floor. I couldn't have done any 
better, if I do say so myself! 
 
Just had to share with you guys, I think it's a genius idea, 
and what's the best is it doesn't consume any more floor space than before. I 
added two more cats without any loss of space. Who knew closets could be 
converted into cat rooms so easily! It looks surprisingly 
professional!
Jenn
 
~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
 
If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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Re: O.T, - Please vote for Jada





Jada is in the running!  I just voted again and it seemed to register. 
Bumper's out in front right now.  Jada's too dignified to wear a silly
collar!
Nina

Doljan, Joan wrote:

  
  Message
  
  
  Thank you to
everyone who is voting for Jada.  I am not sure if you can vote more
than once or not
   
  Take care and
thanks again,
   
  Joan
  
-Original Message-
From: Terri Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: O.T, - Please vote for Jada




I voted for her!  Hope she wins!
 
=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere,
Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec
=^..^=
 
Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/
My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/
My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

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Original Message - 
  From:
  Joan Doljan 
  To:
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
  Sent:
Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:32 AM
  Subject:
O.T, - Please vote for Jada
  
  
  Hi,
   
  One of the nice pit-bull mixes from the shelter I work with
in Jersey City is competing to become a finalist on WCBS's Second
Chance Dog Show.  Please go to their website and vote for her. http://cbsnewyork.com/dogshow/
   
  If she is a finalist, she will appear on May 6th.
   
  Thank you,
   
  Joan

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