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Thank You,Jamie. When I look back to (Rocky) my first Felv+ cat 18 years ago I realize how much he taught me about love, life and caring about all God's creatures. Not just the pretty healthy ones. He changed my life and I will always be grateful for having known him.
Re: Please read this response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CATRESCUE-in Orange, NJ]
Thanks for clearing that up because Iknow there were other who also thought this. We are very worried for the animals still looking for homes. I live in this area and with hundreds of volunteers and fosters and the hundreds of other cats not in Marlene"s carethe community is worried about the rest of the animals. I have heard from several people not to use Kitty Kind or deal with anyone from there and when I think about it and all the people that turned their backs to this group I worry what will happen to the animals who do need homes? There are people in that organization who are loving caring people who do offer their own home to some of these amazing animals where they are well taken care of healthy. Not everyone has living conditions like Kess did. I know everyone is mad at Kess as I am to, feel free to bring your animals and donate elsewherebut if you can lets try to get these cats adopted. They should not need to suffer for what Kess has done. Thanks for clearing that up Jenn, Mia[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, A DNA noticemeans do not adopt TO this person, not do not adopt FROM them. No one is aiming to make the cats who survived this tragedy unadoptable, we just do not want anyone to adopt any MORE cats into this rescue's care. I think maybe you misunderstood what the DNA notice email meant. Jenn ~~~There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site!
Re: what they do
Jamie, Thank you for that eloquent and loving tribute to Andy and all our very special friends. Gloria was looking for articles to include in her newsletter, I think your tribute should be published so that more people might understand that the opportunity for life we give to these angels in fur is not just for their benefit, but infinitely more so, for ours. Nina Jamie Laws wrote: I just read Lisa's post about little Akira and was struck by something she said. The part about what they teach us. The "why me, why this cat" will drive you insane. I mean you just love them so much and they are so special that you have to wonder WHY? Well I think I know. Perhaps I am biased, but I can tell you there was something about Andy. I mean I love my other 2 cats, but Andy had the "It" factor. People were drawn to him. People who don't like cats liked him. He was so handsome and so sweet and so... well, cool. So why do I think he was stricken with Felv? Because he is unforgettable. He makes an impression on anyone who meets him. When I moved to Georgia 3 months after he was diagnosed, I went to the first vet in the phone book- Accute Care Veterinary Clinic- because he was so sick and I knew no one in that town. There, Dr. Brucker, like may vets, was telling me it was hopeless. Unbeknown to me, Andy was in his hemobartinella bout at that point but the vet heard me say "felv" and all desire to treat that cat flew out the window on his part. So I took him home to die at that point. This was 6 YEARS ago and he just died yesterday. So I get on the List and email like mad. Then Pam, Rissa-Tai's mom, posts and said "MAKE that man test for hemobartinella!" I had no clue what that even was.Pam did b/c Rissa had suffered through it.Back we go to the vet and Dr. B tells me he doesn't want me to "waste" $50 on that test, especially when they can have it and it won't show on the test anyway. But at Pam's insistence, I insisted. That is what Rissa-Tai did. She saved Andy. And many others I'm sure, but here is an instance where I can directly link a life saved because of HER bravery and suffering. So we did the test and it was positive! He sent me home with some Doxycycline and said "don't expect miracles." That cat's RBCs shot up and he was running around and playing again almost overnight. The vet was stunned. So for 2 years we had an understanding that he would never count Andy out like that again and we were TREATING him for LIFE not managing him for death. At the end of the 2 years I came into the clinic and said I needed my records copied since my husband was out of the Army and we were moving back to Texas. Dr. Brucker looked like I punched him in the gut. Then proceeded to tell me how much he learned from me and Andy and how he would forever change the way he approached the treatment of Felv+ cats. So there is one thing Andy did. How many cats were saved because this vet changed his attitude about Felv? And just now at this new vet, Dr. Baxter was stunned at how long he lived and really picked my brain about what I had done for Andy all these years. So I told him about the List, and stress management, Interferon, the various supplements, etc. He was familiar with most of it, but now had reason to SUGGEST IT TO FUTURE PATIENTS! He said they succumb to it anyway, and I said but look how much time you can get with them if you treat it. Just thing about HIV+ people. They will eventually die from AIDS but you don't know when and the better they are taken care of the longer their life will be. So I think Andy made an impact there too. Of course I have to mention James' cat Vyvyan whose battle with Felv inspired him to create this website and this wonderful place for us to come together and share, learn, laugh and cry together. Many thanks to James and Vyvyan for that. They come into our lives for a fleeting moment and touch us so deeply. But like all of us, their purpose is much greater than to bring the joy and love and fulfillment that they do end up bringing to our lives. That is just a fabulous, beautiful byproduct. So Andy, Vyvyan, Akira, Rissa-Tai and all of your wonderful babies served a much greater good. For me, I am clinging to what I know in my soul to be true. That wonderful creature came into my life and changed me at my core. I became heavily involved in animal rescue because of him on top of everything else. I would have never done that if it was not for Andy. They say you cannot know true joy without knowing true sorrow. I believe that, and I now know that I have experienced true sorrow through the loss of Andy. The selfish side of me wants him here, whole and healthy. I don't want him to begone, yethelpful to others. I won't deny that. I want him back so much. But he did what he was sent to do and he is gone now. Before we went back to the vet yesterday afternoon, I explained toAndy about the Rainbow Bridge and that he would be there in a few minutes so just hang on for me. And soon,
Re: what they do
great idea! On 5/25/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamie, Thank you for that eloquent and loving tribute to Andy and all our very special friends. Gloria was looking for articles to include in her newsletter, I think your tribute should be published so that more people might understand that the opportunity for life we give to these angels in fur is not just for their benefit, but infinitely more so, for ours. Nina Jamie Laws wrote: I just read Lisa's post about little Akira and was struck by something she said. The part about what they teach us. The why me, why this cat will drive you insane. I mean you just love them so much and they are so special that you have to wonder WHY? Well I think I know. Perhaps I am biased, but I can tell you there was something about Andy. I mean I love my other 2 cats, but Andy had the It factor. People were drawn to him. People who don't like cats liked him. He was so handsome and so sweet and so... well, cool. So why do I think he was stricken with Felv? Because he is unforgettable. He makes an impression on anyone who meets him. When I moved to Georgia 3 months after he was diagnosed, I went to the first vet in the phone book- Accute Care Veterinary Clinic- because he was so sick and I knew no one in that town. There, Dr. Brucker, like may vets, was telling me it was hopeless. Unbeknown to me, Andy was in his hemobartinella bout at that point but the vet heard me say felv and all desire to treat that cat flew out the window on his part. So I took him home to die at that point. This was 6 YEARS ago and he just died yesterday. So I get on the List and email like mad. Then Pam, Rissa-Tai's mom, posts and said MAKE that man test for hemobartinella! I had no clue what that even was. Pam did b/c Rissa had suffered through it. Back we go to the vet and Dr. B tells me he doesn't want me to waste $50 on that test, especially when they can have it and it won't show on the test anyway. But at Pam's insistence, I insisted. That is what Rissa-Tai did. She saved Andy. And many others I'm sure, but here is an instance where I can directly link a life saved because of HER bravery and suffering. So we did the test and it was positive! He sent me home with some Doxycycline and said don't expect miracles. That cat's RBCs shot up and he was running around and playing again almost overnight. The vet was stunned. So for 2 years we had an understanding that he would never count Andy out like that again and we were TREATING him for LIFE not managing him for death. At the end of the 2 years I came into the clinic and said I needed my records copied since my husband was out of the Army and we were moving back to Texas. Dr. Brucker looked like I punched him in the gut. Then proceeded to tell me how much he learned from me and Andy and how he would forever change the way he approached the treatment of Felv+ cats. So there is one thing Andy did. How many cats were saved because this vet changed his attitude about Felv? And just now at this new vet, Dr. Baxter was stunned at how long he lived and really picked my brain about what I had done for Andy all these years. So I told him about the List, and stress management, Interferon, the various supplements, etc. He was familiar with most of it, but now had reason to SUGGEST IT TO FUTURE PATIENTS! He said they succumb to it anyway, and I said but look how much time you can get with them if you treat it. Just thing about HIV+ people. They will eventually die from AIDS but you don't know when and the better they are taken care of the longer their life will be. So I think Andy made an impact there too. Of course I have to mention James' cat Vyvyan whose battle with Felv inspired him to create this website and this wonderful place for us to come together and share, learn, laugh and cry together. Many thanks to James and Vyvyan for that. They come into our lives for a fleeting moment and touch us so deeply. But like all of us, their purpose is much greater than to bring the joy and love and fulfillment that they do end up bringing to our lives. That is just a fabulous, beautiful byproduct. So Andy, Vyvyan, Akira, Rissa-Tai and all of your wonderful babies served a much greater good. For me, I am clinging to what I know in my soul to be true. That wonderful creature came into my life and changed me at my core. I became heavily involved in animal rescue because of him on top of everything else. I would have never done that if it was not for Andy. They say you cannot know true joy without knowing true sorrow. I believe that, and I now know that I have experienced true sorrow through the loss of Andy. The selfish side of me wants him here, whole and healthy. I don't want him to be gone, yet helpful to others. I won't deny that. I want him back so much. But he did what he was sent to do and he is
Re: what they do
I totally agree too! In a message dated 5/25/2005 8:23:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: great idea!On 5/25/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamie, Thank you for that eloquent and loving tribute to Andy and all our very special friends. Gloria was looking for articles to include in her newsletter, I think your tribute should be published so that more people might understand that the opportunity for life we give to these angels in fur is not just for their benefit, but infinitely more so, for ours. Nina Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescueClick Here to Join K9 and Puddy Xpress Yahoo http://groups.yahoo.com/group/K9andPuddyXpress/joinhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/Southern CA. Siamese Rescuehttp://cs.siameserescue.org/Northern CA. Siamese Rescuehttp://cn.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/
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Hmmm good idea - too late for this newsletter, but I'll remember it for the next. Always a crunch, and people are too busy to write! Gloria At 10:22 AM 5/25/2005, you wrote: great idea! On 5/25/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamie, Thank you for that eloquent and loving tribute to Andy and all our very special friends. Gloria was looking for articles to include in her newsletter, I think your tribute should be published so that more people might understand that the opportunity for life we give to these angels in fur is not just for their benefit, but infinitely more so, for ours. Nina Jamie Laws wrote: I just read Lisa's post about little Akira and was struck by something she said. The part about what they teach us. The why me, why this cat will drive you insane. I mean you just love them so much and they are so special that you have to wonder WHY? Well I think I know. Perhaps I am biased, but I can tell you there was something about Andy. I mean I love my other 2 cats, but Andy had the It factor. People were drawn to him. People who don't like cats liked him. He was so handsome and so sweet and so... well, cool. So why do I think he was stricken with Felv? Because he is unforgettable. He makes an impression on anyone who meets him. When I moved to Georgia 3 months after he was diagnosed, I went to the first vet in the phone book- Accute Care Veterinary Clinic- because he was so sick and I knew no one in that town. There, Dr. Brucker, like may vets, was telling me it was hopeless. Unbeknown to me, Andy was in his hemobartinella bout at that point but the vet heard me say felv and all desire to treat that cat flew out the window on his part. So I took him home to die at that point. This was 6 YEARS ago and he just died yesterday. So I get on the List and email like mad. Then Pam, Rissa-Tai's mom, posts and said MAKE that man test for hemobartinella! I had no clue what that even was. Pam did b/c Rissa had suffered through it. Back we go to the vet and Dr. B tells me he doesn't want me to waste $50 on that test, especially when they can have it and it won't show on the test anyway. But at Pam's insistence, I insisted. That is what Rissa-Tai did. She saved Andy. And many others I'm sure, but here is an instance where I can directly link a life saved because of HER bravery and suffering. So we did the test and it was positive! He sent me home with some Doxycycline and said don't expect miracles. That cat's RBCs shot up and he was running around and playing again almost overnight. The vet was stunned. So for 2 years we had an understanding that he would never count Andy out like that again and we were TREATING him for LIFE not managing him for death. At the end of the 2 years I came into the clinic and said I needed my records copied since my husband was out of the Army and we were moving back to Texas. Dr. Brucker looked like I punched him in the gut. Then proceeded to tell me how much he learned from me and Andy and how he would forever change the way he approached the treatment of Felv+ cats. So there is one thing Andy did. How many cats were saved because this vet changed his attitude about Felv? And just now at this new vet, Dr. Baxter was stunned at how long he lived and really picked my brain about what I had done for Andy all these years. So I told him about the List, and stress management, Interferon, the various supplements, etc. He was familiar with most of it, but now had reason to SUGGEST IT TO FUTURE PATIENTS! He said they succumb to it anyway, and I said but look how much time you can get with them if you treat it. Just thing about HIV+ people. They will eventually die from AIDS but you don't know when and the better they are taken care of the longer their life will be. So I think Andy made an impact there too. Of course I have to mention James' cat Vyvyan whose battle with Felv inspired him to create this website and this wonderful place for us to come together and share, learn, laugh and cry together. Many thanks to James and Vyvyan for that. They come into our lives for a fleeting moment and touch us so deeply. But like all of us, their purpose is much greater than to bring the joy and love and fulfillment that they do end up bringing to our lives. That is just a fabulous, beautiful byproduct. So Andy, Vyvyan, Akira, Rissa-Tai and all of your wonderful babies served a much greater good. For me, I am clinging to what I know in my soul to be true. That wonderful creature came into my life and changed me at my core. I became heavily involved in animal rescue because of him on top of everything else. I would have never done that if it was not for Andy. They say you cannot know true joy without knowing true sorrow. I believe that, and I now know that I have experienced true sorrow through the loss of Andy. The selfish side of me
Anyone know about Cat Tail Farms in MI? Little boy needs a home!
Hi All! I just had a wonderful conversation with a woman who got my name from my (cat) oncologist in downtown Houston (I haven't been there in over a year, but apparently they remembered that I took care of a few cats with FeLV!)...the woman I spoke with, Carol, just took in a sweet little white and grey baby boy who has tested positive for FeLV...Carol is devastated but would have been willing to give him a good home if she didn't have a few dogs who don't get along very well with cats... :( Right now, Teddy (the little cat), is being fostered by a friend of hers, but he is scheduled to be transported to a sanctuary in Micigan called Cat Tail Farms. So my first question is: does anyone know anything about or have any personal experience with this rescue? Carol is so attached to this little guy, and it kills me that I can't take him in...naturally, she'd like to see him go to a good home rather than a sanctuary...but she wants to be sure that he goes to a home where he will be well taken care of! :) Teddy sounds like an absolute little baby doll...he's no more that a few years old and was apparently abandoned. It sounds like he had a rough start...the neighborhood cats were beating him up regularly (which is probably how he came into contact with the virus in the first place) and he was just skin and bones! Carol took him in and got him neutered and treated for an abcess in his neck...he's been de-fleaed, de-wormed and is living like a little king with a soft, warm bed, good food and all of the toys he can play with until his trip to MI in June. He's all white except for a grey spot on his head and grey/tabby tail with beautiful yellow eyes. This guy is really something special...not only did he find a kind and caring person in Carol, but he's really impressed the vets with his sweet demeanor and good health! If anyone can help or has any info on the sanctuary, please let me know! For her own piece of mind, Carol needs to know that he is in good hands...and I can't think of a more caring or knowledgable group of people than you guys!! Thanks! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George
Re: Anyone know about Cat Tail Farms in MI? Little boy needs a home!
yes, dear, i know it well--remember that earlier emeow today when i mentioned a transport from Houston to MI. that was when i was a live-in volunteer at Cat Tail Farms! so i know it rather intimately. they are not taking in many cats these days, so i'm assuming this little guy is somehow involved with the rescue i told you about gee, how is he getting here? (get to see old friends) i only live about 6 miles from the sanctuary, and still volunteer there a couple of times a month ask me any questions you may have and i have GREAT photos of the wonderful FeLVs there, past and present... -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Anyone know about Cat Tail Farms in MI? Little boy needs a home!
WHAT A CRAZY WORLD!!! :) When Carol mentioned a rescue in Michigan, I had a faint little memory spasm as if that should mean something to me...what a small world! :) She didn't say how she found out about Cat Tail Farms...but I imagine she must have found somebody with an in...because, like you said, they aren't taking many cats in now-a-days (as is the case with most rescues)! What a lucky guy! She's afraid of screwing up any chances of him getting in there (I hope I haven't jeopardized anything by sending out this email)! Thanks for your reply!! Jen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 3:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Anyone know about Cat Tail Farms in MI? Little boy needs a home! yes, dear, i know it well--remember that earlier emeow today when i mentioned a transport from Houston to MI. that was when i was a live-in volunteer at Cat Tail Farms! so i know it rather intimately. they are not taking in many cats these days, so i'm assuming this little guy is somehow involved with the rescue i told you about gee, how is he getting here? (get to see old friends) i only live about 6 miles from the sanctuary, and still volunteer there a couple of times a month ask me any questions you may have and i have GREAT photos of the wonderful FeLVs there, past and present... -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Hair loss and Pred
Hello Everyone, I mentioned in an earlier post that Gypsy has a new symptom; hair loss. She's had hair loss on her back legs for some time and I assumed that it had something to do with her anal leakage. I only bathed her once a week, and as many of you know, that's not enough to keep someone clean when they're dripping like a faucet. I'd catch her tearing at her legs in an effort to clean them. But lately she has a patch of hair missing on the top of her head and it's thinning on the back of her head and neck. I thought it might be some sort of deficiency, but now I'm not so sure. I got on the internet and found some reports of hair loss with the use, and the discontinuation of, Prednisone. Has anyone else experienced this with their cats? Btw, I finally fessed up to my vets about stopping Gypsy's meds, (I took the chicken way out and sent an email). I asked them about the hair loss, but I've always gotten such good information from you guys, I thought you might have some insights. Nina
Re: what they do
Well said, Jamie. =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Jamie Laws To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:17 PM Subject: what they do I just read Lisa's post about little Akira and was struck by something she said. The part about what they teach us. The "why me, why this cat" will drive you insane. I mean you just love them so much and they are so special that you have to wonder WHY? Well I think I know. Perhaps I am biased, but I can tell you there was something about Andy. I mean I love my other 2 cats, but Andy had the "It" factor. People were drawn to him. People who don't like cats liked him. He was so handsome and so sweet and so... well, cool. So why do I think he was stricken with Felv? Because he is unforgettable. He makes an impression on anyone who meets him. When I moved to Georgia 3 months after he was diagnosed, I went to the first vet in the phone book- Accute Care Veterinary Clinic- because he was so sick and I knew no one in that town. There, Dr. Brucker, like may vets, was telling me it was hopeless. Unbeknown to me, Andy was in his hemobartinella bout at that point but the vet heard me say "felv" and all desire to treat that cat flew out the window on his part. So I took him home to die at that point. This was 6 YEARS ago and he just died yesterday. So I get on the List and email like mad. Then Pam, Rissa-Tai's mom, posts and said "MAKE that man test for hemobartinella!" I had no clue what that even was.Pam did b/c Rissa had suffered through it.Back we go to the vet and Dr. B tells me he doesn't want me to "waste" $50 on that test, especially when they can have it and it won't show on the test anyway. But at Pam's insistence, I insisted. That is what Rissa-Tai did. She saved Andy. And many others I'm sure, but here is an instance where I can directly link a life saved because of HER bravery and suffering. So we did the test and it was positive! He sent me home with some Doxycycline and said "don't expect miracles." That cat's RBCs shot up and he was running around and playing again almost overnight. The vet was stunned. So for 2 years we had an understanding that he would never count Andy out like that again and we were TREATING him for LIFE not managing him for death. At the end of the 2 years I came into the clinic and said I needed my records copied since my husband was out of the Army and we were moving back to Texas. Dr. Brucker looked like I punched him in the gut. Then proceeded to tell me how much he learned from me and Andy and how he would forever change the way he approached the treatment of Felv+ cats. So there is one thing Andy did. How many cats were saved because this vet changed his attitude about Felv? And just now at this new vet, Dr. Baxter was stunned at how long he lived and really picked my brain about what I had done for Andy all these years. So I told him about the List, and stress management, Interferon, the various supplements, etc. He was familiar with most of it, but now had reason to SUGGEST IT TO FUTURE PATIENTS! He said they succumb to it anyway, and I said but look how much time you can get with them if you treat it. Just thing about HIV+ people. They will eventually die from AIDS but you don't know when and the better they are taken care of the longer their life will be. So I think Andy made an impact there too. Of course I have to mention James' cat Vyvyan whose battle with Felv inspired him to create this website and this wonderful place for us to come together and share, learn, laugh and cry together. Many thanks to James and Vyvyan for that. They come into our lives for a fleeting moment and touch us so deeply. But like all of us, their purpose is much greater than to bring the joy and love and fulfillment that they do end up bringing to our lives. That is just a fabulous, beautiful byproduct. So Andy, Vyvyan, Akira, Rissa-Tai and all of your wonderful babies served a much greater good. For me, I am clinging to what I know in my soul to be true. That wonderful creature came into my life and changed me at my core. I became heavily involved in animal rescue because of him on top of everything else. I would have never done that if it was not for Andy. They say you cannot know true joy without knowing true sorrow. I believe that, and I now know that I have experienced true sorrow through the loss of Andy. The selfish side of me wants him here, whole and
Worried about Michelle
Hi all, I was just curious has anyone heard from Michelle, she has gone through so much, I was hoping Ginger was still doing ok and Fern was still with her for comfort Michelle...if you are out there please drop a line and tell us how you are doing, you have had such a hard year, I just want to make sure you are as well as can be expected. Have a purrfect day Cherie
Re: Anyone know about Cat Tail Farms in MI? Little boy needs a home!
Do they have a website? Just a reminder, if ANY of you know of ANY sanctuaries for FELV or FIV cats, PLEASE tell me about them, so I can add them to my list of FELV resources!!! PLEASE PLEASE, if you know any of these places, PLEASE tell me now! Jenn ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005
Re: Hair loss and Pred
yep, it's definitely a known reaction.to taking it, in my experience, rather than following discontinuing it--someone else may know more about that end of it! -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Hair loss and Pred
Thanks MC. Poor little thing doesn't look scary enough, now she has to lose her hair too? It does grow back, right? Nina TenHouseCats wrote: yep, it's definitely a known reaction.to taking it, in my experience, rather than following discontinuing it--someone else may know more about that end of it!
Re: Anyone know about Cat Tail Farms in MI? Little boy needs a home!
There used to be a place or two in southern Missouri that took FELV+ kitties, but I think once they get known, they get so full and don't take any more! I'll check and see what I find... Gloria At 05:25 PM 5/25/2005, you wrote: Do they have a website? Just a reminder, if ANY of you know of ANY sanctuaries for FELV or FIV cats, PLEASE tell me about them, so I can add them to my list of FELV resources!!! PLEASE PLEASE, if you know any of these places, PLEASE tell me now! Jenn ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005
Re: Hair loss and Pred
in the cases i've seen, unless the kitty was hyperthyroid On 5/25/05, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks MC. Poor little thing doesn't look scary enough, now she has to lose her hair too? It does grow back, right? Nina TenHouseCats wrote: yep, it's definitely a known reaction.to taking it, in my experience, rather than following discontinuing it--someone else may know more about that end of it! -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Anyone know about Cat Tail Farms in MI? Little boy needs a home!
Title: Message I'm sure you already know of Home for Life, Jenn...that was the first one I ever heard of, when Chicagoland tails ran a feature on it maybe 2 years or so ago. They were new, and building an annex for FeLV kitties. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:25 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Anyone know about Cat Tail Farms in MI? Little boy needs a home! Do they have a website? Just a reminder, if ANY of you know of ANY sanctuaries for FELV or FIV cats, PLEASE tell me about them, so I can add them to my list of FELV resources!!! PLEASE PLEASE, if you know any of these places, PLEASE tell me now! Jenn ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Andy is gone
Ah Jaime, my heart breaks for you. I'm so sorry. You do know Andy was a trooper. He fought hard but his body was dying...his spirit will always be within you. He will always be looking down at you. The time will come when he will be with you again. I'm sure he will send another furbaby your way to say in your mind"Hey Mom you gotta help this one!" that is in need. I didn't really want to open this email but I read it slow. I have to admit before I even got on to the second paragragh I couldn't contain myself. I did shed some tears I remember all your postings on him whether they were good or bad. He was a kick in the pants especially when you got the big puppy in which now is a huge adult puppy. Gosh, I even remember that! Anyway you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers! I send many hugs your way! In a message dated 5/23/2005 4:47:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks to all of you who took the time to respond about Andy. I do appreciate it. Barb, Sharon, Yvonne, Terrie, Belinda and anyone else I may have missed- it was good to hear from you again. To the others- it was good to "meet" you for the first time. I did take him to the vet first thing this morning. Dr. Caldwell was in surgery so I saw Dr. Baxter instead. Also a very nice man. Every person in that place has just been wonderful! He looked at Andy's chart and said he hoped I didn't think of them as "bad" since my very first experience there has been this ordeal with my baby boy. Anyway, he was very straight forward and said while he wanted to commend me on an outstanding job taking care of a Felv+ cat for this long, that there was not much he could do and that this was the beginning of the end. Whatever was going on had his insides in shreds. The vet said even if I WANTED him to run tests, he was 99% sure that Andy would not come out of the sedation in that state. Barb- it was so strange. He held up Andy's face so we were eye to eye and said "Mrs. Laws, tell me, do you really see Andy there anymore?" And the answer was no. So I started bawling and babbling about how I didn't warn my husband that this was a possibility this morning and he just went to work without saying goodbye. I mean I was a crying freak and I just met the man! So he gave me a small TOWEL and said I was not having a "Kleenex cry" so to take a towel. Then he told me we were not making the call right now, and not like that. He gave him a bag of fluids and a shot of Prednisone and told me to talk to my husband first. I went back to work, then came and got Andy at lunch. I took him home and spent the afternoon with him. He pooped blood all over himself TWICE. The second time I was washing him off in the sink and he had one of his episodes (Dr. Baxter said these were probably small strokes rather than seizures). But this time it lasted a long, long time. He quit breathing and went limp in my arms. No noise, no chest movement. He was gone. So I laid him on the floor on the towel and my phone rang,it was my husband. So I was hysterical telling him Andy just died in my arms and I was freaking out. Right then, Andy let out this gaspy, panting type breath and started convulsing. Then he just kind of sat up alittle bit like nothing happened! But he was dead I tell you. So then I really freaked out and said "he's not dead!" I mean screaming it. So Abe (husband) asked whatfreeway the newvet was off of since he was on his way home. I told himwhereit was and hejust said "I am meeting you there right now." So I knew. I was not going to keep him through the night to spend a little more time together. That was it. He was suffering and I was thinking ofwhat I needed to be okay and not Andy. I wrappedhim in a towel and drove to the vet. I called first and again, just crying into the phone I managed to get out "I had my cat in there this morning and..." that's all I could get out. The poor girl who answered said "I'm so sorry Jamie, wewill see you in a minute." She knew my name and I hadn't even mentioned the cat's name. Guess I was the only bawling woman in with a cattoday. Anyway, I managed to choke out "but you close in 15 minutes." She just said "we'll be here."It was so wonderful to be treated with compassion. My old vet would have said "well ER hours start in 15 minutes so just be prepared to pay double." Anyway, I met Abe there and Dr. Baxter took us back to the treatment area. Andy laid on the table very still and I petting him and kissed his little face as the vet gave him the injection. I have never witnessedananimal bing PTSin real life. I'm sorry if this is all too graphic but it helps me to get it out. I was surprised that his eyes didn't close and nothing changed. I didn't realize he was gone until the vet said "ok, his heart stopped." Then I lost it.The "never agains"hit me like a ton of bricks. He will never do his cold nose bumping and tiny front teeth nipping on my husband's inner arm trying to get him to pet him. He will never
Re: Worried about Michelle
Thanks, Cherie. I am here. Fern actually died Sunday night, about six hours after Pepsi. I was in NJ with Pepsi and Gray was in MA with Fern, and he did not tell me until Monday morning because he thought I could not handle it so soon after Pepsi's death. So I came back to MA and buried her with him. We are pretty numb and exhausted. Ginger is still at my mom's in NJ. I brought her down there with me when I went to be with Pepsi, because she had a fever and I did not feel ok about leaving her here with anyone else taking care of her, and she immediately started doing better at my mom's. She has been eating a ton, with just one periactin every other day. Knock on wood. So I left her there with my mom, because we are moving to NJ in a little over a month and this way she does not have to do two more 5 hour car rides. My mom is also very skilled at medicating, giving fluids, etc. so if Ginger needs it she can do it. My mom was very close to Pepsi, so I think having Ginger there to fuss over is actually good for her, and for Ginger, right now. Gray and I are actually both going to a yoga retreat center for two nights this weekend. It is really hard to be in the house right now, as Fern was the last of our three dogs, who we have had for the past 10 years, which is most of our relationship. We want to get out of the house, but feel we need something with some structure since we feel pretty lost and figure we won't actually do anything otherwise, so we are going to a yoga place in the berkshires where I have gone on my own a few times and really like it there. We are trying to survive. To tell the truth, we are both functioning better than we thought we would, and better than we have in the past when we have lost loved ones, even though we lost two in one day after very difficult days of them being in bad shape. We are not sure if we are just numb from being overwhelmed, or if it has to do with how badly both of them were doing for days beforehand. With Pepsi, I am not sure I have viscerally accepted she is gone. I stayed with her while she was tranquilized, until she was really out of it, but left before they gave her the euthanasia shot because with horses it makes them fall over sideways and hit the ground really hard and is extremely horrible. I also did not look at her body afterwards. I went back to my parents' before they buried her, having last seen her standing, and then back to MA. Since I was not seeing her every day and did not see her die, I am afraid that inside I am not really convinced she is gone yet. So I am not sure this has hit full force yet. But thank you for worrying about me. I am just too tired to read or respond to posts and have just been erasing most of them the few times i have gotten on email. Michelle In a message dated 5/25/05 6:47:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I was just curious has anyone heard from Michelle, she has gone through so much, I was hoping Ginger was still doing ok and Fern was still with her for comfort Michelle...if you are out there please drop a line and tell us how you are doing, you have had such a hard year, I just want to make sure you are as well as can be expected.
Re: Worried about Michelle
Michelle, I'm so sorry about Fern and Pepsi and the whole last few months you've had. That retreat sounds like the perfect thing for you and Gray to do; you've been through so much recently and some grounding and centering will be good for you. Take care of each other and we're all here when you're ready to come back. HUGS[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Cherie. I am here. Fern actually died Sunday night, about six hours after Pepsi. I was in NJ with Pepsi and Gray was in MA with Fern, and he did not tell me until Monday morning because he thought I could not handle it so soon after Pepsi's death. So I came back to MA and buried her with him. We are pretty numb and exhausted. Ginger is still at my mom's in NJ. I brought her down there with me when I went to be with Pepsi, because she had a fever and I did not feel ok about leaving her here with anyone else taking care of her, and she immediately started doing better at my mom's. She has been eating a ton, with just one periactin every other day. Knock on wood. So I left her there with my mom, because we are moving to NJ in a little over a month and this way she does not have to do two more 5 hour car rides. My mom is also very skilled at medicating, giving fluids, etc. so if Ginger needs it she can do it. My mom was very close to Pepsi, so I think having Ginger there to fuss over is actually good for her, and for Ginger, right now. Gray and I are actually both going to a yoga retreat center for two nights this weekend. It is really hard to be in the house right now, as Fern was the last of our three dogs, who we have had for the past 10 years, which is most of our relationship. We want to get out of the house, but feel we need something with some structure since we feel pretty lost and figure we won't actually do anything otherwise, so we are going to a yoga place in the berkshires where I have gone on my own a few times and really like it there. We are trying to survive. To tell the truth, we are both functioning better than we thought we would, and better than we have in the past when we have lost loved ones, even though we lost two in one day after very difficult days of them being in bad shape. We are not sure if we are just numb from being overwhelmed, or if it has to do with how badly both of them were doing for days beforehand. With Pepsi, I am not sure I have viscerally accepted she is gone. I stayed with her while she was tranquilized, until she was really out of it, but left before they gave her the euthanasia shot because with horses it makes them fall over sideways and hit the ground really hard and is extremely horrible. I also did not look at her body afterwards. I went back to my parents' before they buried her, having last seen her standing, and then back to MA. Since I was not seeing her every day and did not see her die, I am afraid that inside I am not really convinced she is gone yet. So I am not sure this has hit full force yet. But thank you for worrying about me. I am just too tired to read or respond to posts and have just been erasing most of them the few times i have gotten on email. Michelle In a message dated 5/25/05 6:47:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I was just curious has anyone heard from Michelle, she has gone through so much, I was hoping Ginger was still doing ok and Fern was still with her for comfort Michelle...if you are out there please drop a line and tell us how you are doing, you have had such a hard year, I just want to make sure you are as well as can be expected. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site!
emergency advice on starved cat needed
Someone brought me a starved cat (young adult I think). She is eating my goo mixture of wet cat food, Nutri-cal, and water, but she is desperately thin. She's obviously dehydrated, but since I've gotten wet food mixture into her, she has already perked up. Can you guys please remind me of what happens to a cat that is starved? Is it renal failure they get from being starved? She seems very wobbly in her back legs now, and you can see every bone in her body. Her body temp was so low when she first got here that I thought she was dying. I put her on a heating pad, and now her body temp feels much more normal (I don't have a thermometer). She laid there like she was dead for the first hour, then she began to shiver, now she seems OK. I can't afford a emergency vet trip right now, so I need to do what I can for her tonight. I gave her a bit of Beyer's yogurt that I had (blueberry flavor), because it was the only thing I had in the house with potassium in it, and I remember someone saying that weak back legs can be helped with potassium, I think. She probably weighs 2 pounds max right now. She is a tiny Siamese mix (has the big Siamese voice and ice blue eyes), seal point, with white chest,muzzleand feet. She appears to have her adult teeth, but she is TINY for an adult. Any advice appreciated. She just found the couch and jumped up on it, I think she was a house cat at some point. I'd hate to let someone's beloved missing pet die tonight, please help me! Jenn ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
If they do not eat for more than 48 hours, they are at risk of getting fatty liver disease (hepatic lipidosis) but do not necessarily get it. If they get it, they do not want to eat because they are nauseous from their liver shutting down, and they often turn yellow. If she is eating, I doubt she has it. She can be thin from not getting enough food over a long period of time, without ever going with no food at all for a significant period, which is what causes fatty liver. I would just keep doing what you are doing. If you know how to give subcutanous fluids you might want to do that, but it can be sort of scary to do on really thin cats. Michelle
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
Thanks Michelle. I don't have any sub-q fluids here, or I would do it. She is eating on her own from a bowl, so that sounds promising. Thanks! I'm about to try to give her a bowl of just plain water and see if she will drink it. I wanted to get some calories in her first (I really thought she was going to die). Jenn ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
Do you have any canned A/D? adding that to your watered down food goop is a good idea, also any digestive enzymes (like Prozyme etc) to go along with the nutri-cal.If she's just starting to get decent and enough food again, then anything you give her is going to cause g/i distress, so be prepared for some mess. How dehydrated is she? Do the skin tent test on the back of her neck and if it doesn't snap back, you need to supplement her water intake - just use an oral syringe to slowly squirt water in her mouth. The sub-Q fluids is a good idea too. And Michelle is right about fatty liver disease (hepatic lipidosis) being from NO food for days as opposed to not nearly enough for a long time. Monitor her tonight, make sure the plumbing works:) and give her scritches and kisses from me:)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone brought me a starved cat (young adult I think). She is eating my goo mixture of wet cat food, Nutri-cal, and water, but she is desperately thin. She's obviously dehydrated, but since I've gotten wet food mixture into her, she has already perked up. Can you guys please remind me of what happens to a cat that is starved? Is it renal failure they get from being starved? She seems very wobbly in her back legs now, and you can see every bone in her body. Her body temp was so low when she first got here that I thought she was dying. I put her on a heating pad, and now her body temp feels much more normal (I don't have a thermometer). She laid there like she was dead for the first hour, then she began to shiver, now she seems OK. I can't afford a emergency vet trip right now, so I need to do what I can for her tonight. I gave her a bit of Beyer's yogurt that I had (blueberry flavor), because it was the only thing I had in the house with potassium in it, and I remember someone saying that weak back legs can be helped with potassium, I think. She probably weighs 2 pounds max right now. She is a tiny Siamese mix (has the big Siamese voice and ice blue eyes), seal point, with white chest,muzzleand feet. She appears to have her adult teeth, but she is TINY for an adult. Any advice appreciated. She just found the couch and jumped up on it, I think she was a house cat at some point. I'd hate to let someone's beloved missing pet die tonight, please help me! Jenn ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: emergency advice on starved cat needed
Hi Jenn, I have the same problem with Jeresy.I gave him somecream chease and later somebody from the forum suggested that I feed him with baby food (Barbara I think). It worked- the small pots in Walmart - chiken, beef. It shoul work. Keep in touch Stan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: emergency advice on starved cat neededDate: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:43:36 -0400Someone brought me a starved cat (young adult I think). She is eating my goo mixture of wet cat food, Nutri-cal, and water, but she is desperately thin. She's obviously dehydrated, but since I've gotten wet food mixture into her, she has already perked up. Can you guys please remind me of what happens to a cat that is starved? Is it renal failure they get from being starved? She seems very wobbly in her back legs now, and you can see every bone in her body. Her body temp was so low when she first got here that I thought she was dying. I put her on a heating pad, and now her body temp feels much more normal (I don't have a thermometer). She laid there like she was dead for the first hour, then she began to shiver, now she seems OK. I can't afford a emergency vet trip right now, so I need to do what I can for her tonight. I gave her a bit of Beyer's yogurt that I had (blueberry flavor), because it was the only thing I had in the house with potassium in it, and I remember someone saying that weak back legs can be helped with potassium, I think. She probably weighs 2 pounds max right now. She is a tiny Siamese mix (has the big Siamese voice and ice blue eyes), seal point, with white chest, muzzle and feet. She appears to have her adult teeth, but she is TINY for an adult. Any advice appreciated. She just found the couch and jumped up on it, I think she was a house cat at some point. I'd hate to let someone's beloved missing pet die tonight, please help me!Jenn~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
Ditto to what Michelle said. And yes, potassium deficiency does cause rear leg weakness. The reason giving sub Q fluids to sick cats might be scary, (at least for me) is there is no where for the fluid to go at first and it sits in a large bubble on their back. I had a kitten come to me in the same condition, but it was beyond eating at the point it arrived. Sub Q really helped that guy feel better. If you have them, do give them. I can't remember how much, but I'd err on the side of too little rather than too much, you can always give more later. Also, if you don't have any Nutrical in the house, you can use a tiny bit of clear Karo syrup on her gums to give her energy, if she starts to fail. Keep that little angel warm, keep offering her food and follow your instincts. If she's eating and jumping on furniture to make herself more comfortable that gives me great hope that, with your help, she'll pull through. Keep us posted. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they do not eat for more than 48 hours, they are at risk of getting fatty liver disease (hepatic lipidosis) but do not necessarily get it. If they get it, they do not want to eat because they are nauseous from their liver shutting down, and they often turn yellow. If she is eating, I doubt she has it. She can be thin from not getting enough food over a long period of time, without ever going with no food at all for a significant period, which is what causes fatty liver. I would just keep doing what you are doing. If you know how to give subcutanous fluids you might want to do that, but it can be sort of scary to do on really thin cats. Michelle
Re: Worried about Michelle
Big hugs to you and Gray. Goodnight, sweet Fern... Goodnight, sweet Pepsi... =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Worried about Michelle Thanks, Cherie. I am here. Fern actually died Sunday night, about six hours after Pepsi. I was in NJ with Pepsi and Gray was in MA with Fern, and he did not tell me until Monday morning because he thought I could not handle it so soon after Pepsi's death. So I came back to MA and buried her with him. We are pretty numb and exhausted. Ginger is still at my mom's in NJ. I brought her down there with me when I went to be with Pepsi, because she had a fever and I did not feel ok about leaving her here with anyone else taking care of her, and she immediately started doing better at my mom's. She has been eating a ton, with just one periactin every other day. Knock on wood. So I left her there with my mom, because we are moving to NJ in a little over a month and this way she does not have to do two more 5 hour car rides. My mom is also very skilled at medicating, giving fluids, etc. so if Ginger needs it she can do it. My mom was very close to Pepsi, so I think having Ginger there to fuss over is actually good for her, and for Ginger, right now. Gray and I are actually both going to a yoga retreat center for two nights this weekend. It is really hard to be in the house right now, as Fern was the last of our three dogs, who we have had for the past 10 years, which is most of our relationship. We want to get out of the house, but feel we need something with some structure since we feel pretty lost and figure we won't actually do anything otherwise, so we are going to a yoga place in the berkshires where I have gone on my own a few times and really like it there. We are trying to survive. To tell the truth, we are both functioning better than we thought we would, and better than we have in the past when we have lost loved ones, even though we lost two in one day after very difficult days of them being in bad shape. We are not sure if we are just numb from being overwhelmed, or if it has to do with how badly both of them were doing for days beforehand. With Pepsi, I am not sure I have viscerally accepted she is gone. I stayed with her while she was tranquilized, until she was really out of it, but left before they gave her the euthanasia shot because with horses it makes them fall over sideways and hit the ground really hard and is extremely horrible. I also did not look at her body afterwards. I went back to my parents' before they buried her, having last seen her standing, and then back to MA. Since I was not seeing her every day and did not see her die, I am afraid that inside I am not really convinced she is gone yet. So I am not sure this has hit full force yet. But thank you for worrying about me. I am just too tired to read or respond to posts and have just been erasing most of them the few times i have gotten on email. Michelle In a message dated 5/25/05 6:47:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I was just curious has anyone heard from Michelle, she has gone through so much, I was hoping Ginger was still doing ok and Fern was still with her for comfort Michelle...if you are out there please drop a line and tell us how you are doing, you have had such a hard year, I just want to make sure you are as well as can be expected.
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
Do you have any pedilyte in the house? How about Transfer Factor? Anything with electrolytes would help. Barbara's suggestion about monitoring her bathroom habits is a very good idea. Don't be surprised if it takes her a while before she urinates or defecates. See if you can get a hold of some Sub Q fluids for her. You can order them on-line of course, but maybe a vet will take pity on you and help you out without charging you an arm and a leg. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Michelle. I don't have any sub-q fluids here, or I would do it. She is eating on her own from a bowl, so that sounds promising. Thanks! I'm about to try to give her a bowl of just plain water and see if she will drink it. I wanted to get some calories in her first (I really thought she was going to die). Jenn ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
I have generic Gatorade, but that has flavor in it. I'm tempted to syringe her some lukewarm water, but I did have the food she was eating soupy, so I'm not sure it's absolutely necessary. I hate to over-do it and make her puke, I don't think she has the extra calories to burn right now. She's resting comfortably on the sofa on a heating pad now. She will eat a few bites of food every 15 minutes or so, I keep re-heating it and offering it to her bit by bit. She refused water, but thekids who brought her to me told me they had given her milk and tuna so maybe she's not thirsty because of the milk (I'm praying she's not lactose intolerant). I admire those kids, typical late teens/early 20's kids, one just got out of jail, and they brought me this cat to save, I can't help but admire them for that! Maybe there's hope for them, the one had the cat bundled up in his hoodie, and he told me to "just keep it". I'm going to make sure he gets it back, of course. I am sure I will take her to one of my vets tomorrow morning (whoever will give me the best deal on rehydrating her), I just can't afford an "emergency" after hours visit, so I'm just trying to nurse her through the night. So far, I've offered her a cat box several times, and she shows no interest at all (as thin as she is I'm sure her body is using most of it all so far). She looks SO much worse than Moogie did when she died... it's hard to believe this cat might make it (I hate to get my hopes up just to be crushed). She's strong though, she has a big, hearty meow, and she actually BIT one of my feeding syringes in half already (that's why I just gave her a dish, she came alive in the middle of a syringe feeding and decided she was finally HUNGRY). Thanks everyone! Jenn ~~~Do you have any pedilyte in the house? How about Transfer Factor? Anything with electrolytes would help. Barbara's suggestion about monitoring her bathroom habits is a very good idea. Don't be surprised if it takes her a while before she urinates or defecates. See if you can get a hold of some Sub Q fluids for her. You can order them on-line of course, but maybe a vet will take pity on you and help you out without charging you an arm and a leg.Nina No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
Jenn, Keep up the good work and keep us posted! I'm not so sure about giving her Gatorade though. But maybe others on this list would know more about that. Bonnie in WI www.elephants.com I have generic Gatorade, but that has flavor in it. I'm tempted to syringe her some lukewarm water, but I did have the food she was eating soupy, so I'm not sure it's absolutely necessary. I hate to over-do it and make her puke, I don't think she has the extra calories to burn right now. She's resting comfortably on the sofa on a heating pad now. She will eat a few bites of food every 15 minutes or so, I keep re-heating it and offering it to her bit by bit. She refused water, but thekids who brought her to me told me they had given her milk and tuna so maybe she's not thirsty because of the milk (I'm praying she's not lactose intolerant). I admire those kids, typical late teens/early 20's kids, one just got out of jail, and they brought me this cat to save, I can't help but admire them for that! Maybe there's hope for them, the one had the cat bundled up in his hoodie, and he told me to "just keep it". I'm going to make sure he gets it back, of course. I am sure I will take her to one of my vets tomorrow morning (whoever will give me the best deal on rehydrating her), I just can't afford an "emergency" after hours visit, so I'm just trying to nurse her through the night. So far, I've offered her a cat box several times, and she shows no interest at all (as thin as she is I'm sure her body is using most of it all so far). She looks SO much worse than Moogie did when she died... it's hard to believe this cat might make it (I hate to get my hopes up just to be crushed). She's strong though, she has a big, hearty meow, and she actually BIT one of my feeding syringes in half already (that's why I just gave her a dish, she came alive in the middle of a syringe feeding and decided she was finally HUNGRY). Thanks everyone! Jenn ~~~Do you have any pedilyte in the house? How about Transfer Factor? Anything with electrolytes would help. Barbara's suggestion about monitoring her bathroom habits is a very good idea. Don't be surprised if it takes her a while before she urinates or defecates. See if you can get a hold of some Sub Q fluids for her. You can order them on-line of course, but maybe a vet will take pity on you and help you out without charging you an arm and a leg.Nina No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
well, I'm naturally cautious, but I would either hold off on sub-q fluids until I talked to a vet - is there an emergency vet service that ight give advice over the phone? I call ours when I think I need to... Bonnie in WI www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:03 pm Subject: Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed Ditto to what Michelle said. And yes, potassium deficiency does cause rear leg weakness. The reason giving sub Q fluids to sick cats might be scary, (at least for me) is there is no where for the fluid to go at first and it sits in a large bubble on their back. I had a kitten come to me in the same condition, but it was beyond eating at the point it arrived. Sub Q really helped that guy feel better. If you have them, do give them. I can't remember how much, but I'd err on the side of too little rather than too much, you can always give more later. Also, if you don't have any Nutrical in the house, you can use a tiny bit of clear Karo syrup on her gums to give her energy, if she starts to fail. Keep that little angel warm, keep offering her food and follow your instincts. If she's eating and jumping on furniture to make herself more comfortable that gives me great hope that, with your help, she'll pull through. Keep us posted. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they do not eat for more than 48 hours, they are at risk of getting fatty liver disease (hepatic lipidosis) but do not necessarily get it. If they get it, they do not want to eat because they are nauseous from their liver shutting down, and they often turn yellow. If she is eating, I doubt she has it. She can be thin from not getting enough food over a long period of time, without ever going with no food at all for a significant period, which is what causes fatty liver. I would just keep doing what you are doing. If you know how to give subcutanous fluids you might want to do that, but it can be sort of scary to do on really thin cats. Michelle
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
Jenn, You are right about her needing potassium. The only thing I know of with potassium is a banana. Do you have any gatorade or other sports type drinks? They often have electrolytes, etc... that help when dehydrated. Also, be careful not to feed too much too fast. You don't want to overwhelm her body or make her sick Good luck. She's lucky to have found her way to you! tBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have any canned A/D? adding that to your watered down food goop is a good idea, also any digestive enzymes (like Prozyme etc) to go along with the nutri-cal.If she's just starting to get decent and enough food again, then anything you give her is going to cause g/i distress, so be prepared for some mess. How dehydrated is she? Do the skin tent test on the back of her neck and if it doesn't snap back, you need to supplement her water intake - just use an oral syringe to slowly squirt water in her mouth. The sub-Q fluids is a good idea too. And Michelle is right about fatty liver disease (hepatic lipidosis) being from NO food for days as opposed to not nearly enough for a long time. Monitor her tonight, make sure the plumbing works:) and give her scritches and kisses from me:)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone brought me a starved cat (young adult I think). She is eating my goo mixture of wet cat food, Nutri-cal, and water, but she is desperately thin. She's obviously dehydrated, but since I've gotten wet food mixture into her, she has already perked up. Can you guys please remind me of what happens to a cat that is starved? Is it renal failure they get from being starved? She seems very wobbly in her back legs now, and you can see every bone in her body. Her body temp was so low when she first got here that I thought she was dying. I put her on a heating pad, and now her body temp feels much more normal (I don't have a thermometer). She laid there like she was dead for the first hour, then she began to shiver, now she seems OK. I can't afford a emergency vet trip right now, so I need to do what I can for her tonight. I gave her a bit of Beyer's yogurt that I had (blueberry flavor), because it was the only thing I had in the house with potassium in it, and I remember someone saying that weak back legs can be helped with potassium, I think. She probably weighs 2 pounds max right now. She is a tiny Siamese mix (has the big Siamese voice and ice blue eyes), seal point, with white chest,muzzleand feet. She appears to have her adult teeth, but she is TINY for an adult. Any advice appreciated. She just found the couch and jumped up on it, I think she was a house cat at some point. I'd hate to let someone's beloved missing pet die tonight, please help me! Jenn ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Worried about Michelle
Michelle, I'm so sorry for your losses. I'm glad Ginger is doing better though, and I'm sure she will be a bright spot for you right now. I hope the retreat is relaxing and healing for you. Take care of yourself. tTerri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big hugs to you and Gray. Goodnight, sweet Fern... Goodnight, sweet Pepsi... =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Worried about Michelle Thanks, Cherie. I am here. Fern actually died Sunday night, about six hours after Pepsi. I was in NJ with Pepsi and Gray was in MA with Fern, and he did not tell me until Monday morning because he thought I could not handle it so soon after Pepsi's death. So I came back to MA and buried her with him. We are pretty numb and exhausted. Ginger is still at my mom's in NJ. I brought her down there with me when I went to be with Pepsi, because she had a fever and I did not feel ok about leaving her here with anyone else taking care of her, and she immediately started doing better at my mom's. She has been eating a ton, with just one periactin every other day. Knock on wood. So I left her there with my mom, because we are moving to NJ in a little over a month and this way she does not have to do two more 5 hour car rides. My mom is also very skilled at medicating, giving fluids, etc. so if Ginger needs it she can do it. My mom was very close to Pepsi, so I think having Ginger there to fuss over is actually good for her, and for Ginger, right now. Gray and I are actually both going to a yoga retreat center for two nights this weekend. It is really hard to be in the house right now, as Fern was the last of our three dogs, who we have had for the past 10 years, which is most of our relationship. We want to get out of the house, but feel we need something with some structure since we feel pretty lost and figure we won't actually do anything otherwise, so we are going to a yoga place in the berkshires where I have gone on my own a few times and really like it there. We are trying to survive. To tell the truth, we are both functioning better than we thought we would, and better than we have in the past when we have lost loved ones, even though we lost two in one day after very difficult days of them being in bad shape. We are not sure if we are just numb from being overwhelmed, or if it has to do with how badly both of them were doing for days beforehand. With Pepsi, I am not sure I have viscerally accepted she is gone. I stayed with her while she was tranquilized, until she was really out of it, but left before they gave her the euthanasia shot because with horses it makes them fall over sideways and hit the ground really hard and is extremely horrible. I also did not look at her body afterwards. I went back to my parents' before they buried her, having last seen her standing, and then back to MA. Since I was not seeing her every day and did not see her die, I am afraid that inside I am not really convinced she is gone yet. So I am not sure this has hit full force yet. But thank you for worrying about me. I am just too tired to read or respond to posts and have just been erasing most of them the few times i have gotten on email. Michelle In a message dated 5/25/05 6:47:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I was just curious has anyone heard from Michelle, she has gone through so much, I was hoping Ginger was still doing ok and Fern was still with her for comfort Michelle...if you are out there please drop a line and tell us how you are doing, you have had such a hard year, I just want to make sure you are as well as can be expected.
Re: Anyone know about Cat Tail Farms in MI? Little boy needs a home!
It does not matter if they are actively accepting new cats at this time, they may be in the future and this list I'm making will exist forever. I need to knowall no kill sanctuaries that accept FELV and FIV cats, regardless of current openings. Jenn ~~~There used to be a place or two in southern Missouri that took FELV+ kitties, but I think once they get known, they get so full and don't take any more! I'll check and see what I find... No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005
Re: Anyone know about Cat Tail Farms in MI? Little boy needs a home!
I did not have that one yet, I just added it. You mean this one, right? http://www.homeforlife.org/ If anyone else knows of anymore, please email them to me, don't assume I have them already! You can check my page at http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The sanctuary section is quite a ways down the page, listed by state alphabetically. Jenn ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
Let it be said, cats do not like fruit or fruit punch! She did, however, swallow at least 2CC's worth. The yogurt has more potassium than the Gatorade, and it has the beneficial gut flora too, so I think I'll keep with that instead, she seems to take it better than the Gatorade. :) Jenn ~~~If she took something blueberry flavored she might let you syringe a bit of Gatorade.. you never know! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005
