RE: average lifespan
Tom had the a first test and then I had the IFA done a month later. He tested positive on both. I guess that is the blood work isn't it. It was another vet that told me that it was in the bone marrow and that it would be better to put him to sleep because we couldn't save them all and that my negatives kitties were being exposed. He didn't exam Tom. I just told him about taking him to a clinic that tested him the first time around and I ran into him when I went to wash a comforter at the laundry mat. Then I took Tom to my regular vet to have the IFA. That is when I started looking for some information on the Felv and found the site for it. I am thankful for that. What a terrible thing for kitties to get. Barbara BaassHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was Tom tested positive on the blood test (I know sometimes they test as negative when the virus is in the bone marrow, but not in blood) I am not sure what percentage of the cases when a kitty is positive for the FeLV virus, but tested negative on the blood work since its in the bone marrow only. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara BaassSent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: average lifespan Doesn't seem to be a long life span. Looks like maybe 3 to 5 or 6 years. I believe that Tom was born with this because it is in the bone marrow. He probably got it from his mother. It is a shame that we have to go through pain and suffering before we die. At least most of the time we do. Barbra BaassTerri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samantha was 3 (1999) Arielle was 4-1/2 (2001) Gareth was 6-1/2 (2003) Alec was 5-1/2 (2003) Salome' is still with me. She's 9. RuthieGirl was 6 months (1996 -- not a FeLV related death; she was Salome's littermate). Siggie, Sammi, and Guinevere are FeLV negative. =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:44 PM Subject: Re: average lifespan Yo Jenn -My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004)My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003)My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18. I don't believe it. Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs maybe? (2002)GloriaWell, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the "average" life span of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within two years but about 20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course, if everyone here tells you how old their FELV+ furangels were when they passed on, then you'll get a good sampling, and be able to draw your own conclusions, but you'll have to know how long they had the virus, not just how long they lived, because some of them may have caught it later in life, and that would skew the numbers.This could potentially be a very interesting thread, I wonder if we qualify as a "study group"?Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out!
Re: Need advice - kittens
Thanks!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say test two or three more times, each test at 90 days"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan asked me to forward her message to the list. Here also are my comments on it - can anybody offer suggestions please? Thanks - GloriaFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>H - I don't know -I think if they test positive, they have the virus ( antigen). At this point, their little immune systems can 1) kick the virus, or 2) remain infected with the virus. Since it's a light positive, I'd be really optimistic. But then I'm optimistic anyhow...Just thinking - but I've never heard of kittens getting low dose interferon, and don't know what that would do. - GloriaAt 1:39 PM -0700 5/31/05, Susan Loesch wrote:Don't know why my email to the list is bouncing back!Just got back a very very light positive test on 2 12-week old kittens. Through some "wire-crossing" in our group, the kittens are already in a foster home. Thefamily has one 11 or 12 year old cat who has nothing to do with thekittens. Based on your experience with positive kittens eventuallytesting negative what do you think the likelihood is that this could beeither a false positive (both kitts are super healthy) or that ifpositive they will kick it? Or is it even possible to make an educated guess. If the kittens can be separated from close contact with their currentcat I'd like them to stay in the home -- it is a potential adoptivehome. But I want to be able to make a better guess about the odds!! Thanks, all. Have a purrfect day Cherie
life span and losses
I'm so sorry to hear of those of you who have lost you beloved furkids. It is so painful and I still miss my dear girl now even though it is 2 months since her death. I think I ended up coping by writing her a poem and drawing her aswell as being around other animals and taking my 3 new cats. Bramble is not a well cat I'm afraid and we are getting him on Feline Omega Interferon tomorrow - certainly think it's calcivirus. And although Bramble is FIV+ he could also have FeLV as he lives with an FeLV+ cat - I'm not testing him though as he is reaching close to the end with the FIVI think. He will be tested for Calicivirus too tomorrow. My FeLV+ cat is just so mischeivious and looks so healthy although she too will be taking a trip to the vet as she has a little bit of a runny nose but is coping well - she keeps jumping on and off the wardrobe and diving in and out of her playing tunnel chasing her buddy - Bramble just lets them get on with it. I think it was all triggered by the stress of them changing homes when they came out of the animal sanctuary 3 weeks ago into their new home. I will try what I can for Bramble but if he has no improvement I think it will be kinder for him to be sent up to play with my Tidge at rainbow bridge until I get there. I also hadn't realised that the FeLV+ cat life span was commonly so short so thanks for discussing that as it will be useful to me cope with that when that time arrives - so difficult when they have to pass over but helping them and knowing they are well loved is well worth the heartache. Michelle L
Re: more on valium in cats
RE: Valium Use Our vet has prescribed 1/4 of a 5mg valium tablet given orally to break the cluster seizure cycle of one of our 10# cats who was doused in transmission oil as a kitten and as a result of liver damage from ingesting the toxin suffers cluster seizures. If we administer it at the end of first cluster seizure, we can break the cycle. If he is on the start of his second or third seizure, it will sometimes take a second dose an hour later in order to get the seizures to cease. We have been using this protocol for the past five years possibly once or twice a year and he is doing fine. /mari
Re: outcome of anemia - Immuno-Regulin
I tried Immuno-Regulin for a fiv anemic cat. Helped alittle But she had too many other things going on she was at the stage of full blown aides, her immunes system was 0. She was anemic due to her spleen was removed since they thought it was cancer but turned out it had some toxic cells but not cancer. Trick is to use the right amount of Immun each cat is different and has different side effects or reactions, it's a trial and error to find the dose that works well with that cat that is on it. Carla From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:49:41 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Copies to: Subject:Re: outcome of anemia - Immuno-Regulin Send reply to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Robin, I can't remember if I suggested Immuno-regulin. There is an article on this group's website about it. Anecdotally there seems to be some success with it helping anemic cats, where the anemia is not caused by lymphoma, leukemia, or hemobartonella. However, another cause of anemia is an auto-immune reaction that causes the body to kill its own red blood cells, and steroids are prescribed for this-- and I think Immuno-Regulin could make this condition worse. Michelle
Cats ...
Hello Group, I received this email from my brother-in-law yesterday (he and his wife are also cat people). I wanted to share his thoughts with you, as I found it quite consoling and hope others may find some comfort as well. "I think of cats and other animals a lot and I think of our cats especially now, Digby. Cats have no concept of time, therefore they can't contemplate the past and have no concept of the future. They only live the very present. They don't like to be uncomfortable, afraid, hungry, thirsty, in pain etc. Digby was kept warm, was always well fed, didn't experience any harsh pain, had no reason to be afraid, always had company and clean water to drink. In other words he received the best of care. If he could now be interviewed and asked the question what his life was like on earth, he would definitely say, "My life with Marlene and Nick was the GREATEST!" Marlene (Pekoe Angel Digby)
Re: life span and losses
Sending my positive energy for Bramble and you Michelle L, hopefully he will pull through it! Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I'm so sorry to hear of those of you who have lost you beloved furkids. It is so painful and I still miss my dear girl now even though it is 2 months since her death. I think I ended up coping by writing her a poem and drawing her aswell as being around other animals and taking my 3 new cats. Bramble is not a well cat I'm afraid and we are getting him on Feline Omega Interferon tomorrow - certainly think it's calcivirus. And although Bramble is FIV+ he could also have FeLV as he lives with an FeLV+ cat - I'm not testing him though as he is reaching close to the end with the FIVI think. He will be tested for Calicivirus too tomorrow. My FeLV+ cat is just so mischievous and looks so healthy although she too will be taking a trip to the vet as she has a little bit of a runny nose but is coping well - she keeps jumping on and off the wardrobe and diving in and out of her playing tunnel chasing her buddy - Bramble just lets them get on with it. I think it was all triggered by the stress of them changing homes when they came out of the animal sanctuary 3 weeks ago into their new home. I will try what I can for Bramble but if he has no improvement I think it will be kinder for him to be sent up to play with my Tidge at rainbow bridge until I get there. I also hadn't realized that the FeLV+ cat life span was commonly so short so thanks for discussing that as it will be useful to me cope with that when that time arrives - so difficult when they have to pass over but helping them and knowing they are well loved is well worth the heartache. Michelle L No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 6/1/2005
RE: average lifespan
Ive got a 6 + year old who tested pos last year though vet thinks she had it all along and a 4+ that I took in as a stray last year who also turned out to be pos. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Baass Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: average lifespan Yes, this is very depressing. Tom was about a year and a half the vet said and I guess now he is 2 years old. I know now from what the group said what to expect of his life span. Maybe another year or two. Is Salome just a carrier or is it in the bone marrow? To be 9 years old, shemust be a carrier?? Barbara Baass Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just so depressing to think about, isnt it? I look at Ginger, who is just a year old and every day, I fear of the day but fortunately she is doing very good and try not to think about it too much, instead, I try to concentrate on loving her more - I am going to continue to fight with Ginger no matter what.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Baass Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: average lifespan Doesn't seem to be a long life span. Looks like maybe 3 to 5 or 6 years. I believe that Tom was born with this because it is in the bone marrow. He probably got it from his mother. It is a shame that we have to go through pain and suffering before we die. At least most of the time we do. Barbra Baass Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samantha was 3 (1999) Arielle was 4-1/2 (2001) Gareth was 6-1/2 (2003) Alec was 5-1/2 (2003) Salome' is still with me. She's 9. RuthieGirl was 6 months (1996 -- not a FeLV related death; she was Salome's littermate). Siggie, Sammi, and Guinevere are FeLV negative. =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/ My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:44 PM Subject: Re: average lifespan Yo Jenn - My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004) My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003) My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18. I don't believe it. Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs maybe? (2002) Gloria Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the average life span of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within two years but about 20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course, if everyone here tells you how old their FELV+ furangels were when they passed on, then you'll get a good sampling, and be able to draw your own conclusions, but you'll have to know how long they had the virus, not just how long they lived, because some of them may have caught it later in life, and that would skew the numbers. This could potentially be a very interesting thread, I wonder if we qualify as a study group? Jenn http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news more. Check it out!
Interferon mixing question re refreezing
I have the initial mix of Interferon with saline frozenin99 syringes - used up the first syringe which was mixed into saline and frozen (first freeze) in 100syringes. My question: Now I need to mix another batch ... thaw a concentrated syringe and mix with saline will provide 100 syringes of ready-to-use ...CAN I FREEZE THESE? If not, I will only use three months of interferon from this batch, and will have to mix another batch in three months. Which would be okay, I just need to know. If it can refreeze a second timeI will have some to last a looong time. Presently have three kittiestaking it. I hope I have made my question clear. Del^.^Spay/Neuter Your Pet PLEASEAdopt a Shelter PetPAWS of Union County, ILRescue Angels On WheelsA Hamburger Stops a Beating Heart
Re: Cats ...
That is wonderful...and so true, thank you for sharing ;-)) CherieMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Group, I received this email from my brother-in-law yesterday (he and his wife are also cat people). I wanted to share his thoughts with you, as I found it quite consoling and hope others may find some comfort as well. "I think of cats and other animals a lot and I think of our cats especially now, Digby. Cats have no concept of time, therefore they can't contemplate the past and have no concept of the future. They only live the very present. They don't like to be uncomfortable, afraid, hungry, thirsty, in pain etc. Digby was kept warm, was always well fed, didn't experience any harsh pain, had no reason to be afraid, always had company and clean water to drink. In other words he received the best of care. If he could now be interviewed and asked the question what his life was like on earth, he would definitely say, "My life with Marlene and Nick was the GREATEST!" Marlene (Pekoe Angel Digby)Have a purrfect day Cherie
Re: average lifespan
FeLV in the bone marrow is dormant until something sets it off as I understand it, that's why a cat that tests positive on the IFA is generally thought to be unable to convert to negative, because it is already in the bone marrow. I do remember a few years back though hearing about an IFA positive that restested with an IFA later and was negative. Gets confusing, and that's why if my Bailey ever becomes active I will try anything and everything, because with this disease nothing is written in stone :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: average lifespan
A couple things to think about.Many many cats are POS but never tested and many of these will never be tested because they don't get sick...and these cats don't get put into the data base that we use to figure life expectance...So in reality the life span average may be longer than we think Also there are advances being made every day that may be a cure...Like feline interferon...There is always the hope that such will be available in time for a cat that is still well today...Plus we know things today..like good food and low stress that we know will help to keep him healthy... Tad PS...I have an old girl..vet thinks she is over 12 years old but she has been with me for almost 2 years and she is doing well...I did just loose my old Sammy that I have had for a year and a half...I thought the 2 old timers were past the age where it would get them but Sammy developed a huge tumor in his mouth in just a few hours and I had to let him go to escape the pain that it was causing him. Chris wrote: Ive got a 6 + year old who tested pos last year though vet thinks she had it all along and a 4+ that I took in as a stray last year who also turned out to be pos. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Barbara Baass Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: average lifespan Yes, this is very depressing. Tom was about a year and a half the vet said and I guess now he is 2 years old. I know now from what the group said what to expect of his life span. Maybe another year or two. Is Salome just a carrier or is it in the bone marrow? To be 9 years old, shemust be a carrier?? Barbara Baass Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just so depressing to think about, isnt it? I look at Ginger, who is just a year old and every day, I fear of the day but fortunately she is doing very good and try not to think about it too much, instead, I try to concentrate on loving her more - I am going to continue to fight with Ginger no matter what.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Barbara Baass Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: average lifespan Doesn't seem to be a long life span. Looks like maybe 3 to 5 or 6 years. I believe that Tom was born with this because it is in the bone marrow. He probably got it from his mother. It is a shame that we have to go through pain and suffering before we die. At least most of the time we do. Barbra Baass Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samantha was 3 (1999) Arielle was 4-1/2 (2001) Gareth was 6-1/2 (2003) Alec was 5-1/2 (2003) Salome' is still with me. She's 9. RuthieGirl was 6 months (1996 -- not a FeLV related death; she was Salome's littermate). Siggie, Sammi, and Guinevere are FeLV negative. =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/ My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:44 PM Subject: Re: average lifespan Yo Jenn - My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004) My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003) My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18. I don't believe it. Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs maybe? (2002) Gloria Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the "average" life span of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within two years but about 20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course, if everyone here
Jersey
Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3
I don't know if Bramble has ever had a FeLV shot. Like I said I've only had these 3 for just over 3 weeks now from the sanctuary. There they put FIV and FeLV cats in a pen together which is crazy - they should never expose an FIV cat to an FeLV cat (a) a because FeLV is easier to spread than FIV and especially to an FIV cat and (b) both will be more prone to infection and there is a higher risk of cross infections or so I would assume. Unfortunately they don't appear to know enough about either diseaseand just assume they arethe samein that they weaken the immune system. So there is every chance that Both Bramble and Buddy are FIV and FeLV+ because they have been living together with Minstrel for 2 years already. The sanctuary manager just said well the diseases are much the same thing really - I accepted that until I started to research more on FeLV and found out that was rubbish. The more knowledgeable people I have met via internet based support groupswere shocked to hear that the sanctuary kept them together.When the whole situation with Bramble has settled whichever way that turns out - I am going to get Buddy and Minstrel both checked again to see what I am dealing with - they have only been tested once when they were youngeras far as I know and they are now 2 years old. I need them to settle a bit more first - they are great affectionate cats and settled well but they won't let me pick them up so I can't get a hold of them yet. Bramble does but he is about 9 and not in good health. Michelle L
Jersey.....
I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, StanFrom: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: JerseyDate: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Jersey.....
I am so sorry Stany. I know we all hoped he would pull through. I hope you will consider another cat when you have healed. You sound like a good cat dad. Rest easy, dear Jersey. Tracy - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 6/1/2005 4:49:36 PM Subject: Jersey. I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, StanFrom: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: JerseyDate: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Jersey.....
Stan, I'm very sorry to hear Jersey has passed, you did your best and Jersey knew that. Hopefully he will let you know he is OK on the other side, I too believe in an after life here existence. Prayers for comfort for you and a peaceful swift journey for Jersey as he starts this new adventure. Take care ... -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Jersey.....
Title: Message Dear Stan I am so very sorry. Although I haven't been posting, because you got so much excellent advice from members much more knowledgeable than me, I have been following the story of your and Jersey's struggle. I am glad he knew he had such a loving, caring friend looking out for him right to the end. with much sympathy take care, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of stany petrovSent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:50 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Jersey. I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, StanFrom: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: JerseyDate: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.comThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Jersey.....
I have added him to the service. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Jersey.....
Title: Message Hi, Stan, I am so very sorry to hear about Jersey Though I felt much sorrow in your message, I also felt lots of brightness in your message, and I agree with what you said about - On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I believe that the fate can be changed with our love and dedications not matter what path is there for them Thank you very much for taking good care of Jersey he is now free of pain his soul is probably happily right besides you --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Jersey. Dear Stan I am so very sorry. Although I haven't been posting, because you got so much excellent advice from members much more knowledgeable than me, I have been following the story of your and Jersey's struggle. I am glad he knew he had such a loving, caring friend looking out for him right to the end. with much sympathy take care, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of stany petrov Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Jersey. I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, Stan From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Jersey Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700 Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Gloria It's heartbreaking---I hope and pray Sam is found safe. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Bones... please help her!
Title: Message Jenn Sending positive healing vibes for Bones...I know she can't be describedas lucky as faras her health goes, but boy, is she lucky that she found you. Please keep us posted on her progress when you get time. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JennSent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 12:57 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sphynx rescue yahoogroup; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Dianne AldanSubject: Bones... please help her! Hi everyone. Some of you may, or may not know about my newest rescue cat, Bones. She was almost dead when some local kids brought her to me last Wednesday night. I have nursed her out of severe hypothermia and starvation, but I am fairly sure she has a broken back (she still needs x-rays, and has an appointment on Wednesday). She is going to need surgery to stabilize the bones in her back, to ever get to have any normal quality of life, and be free of the pain she is in (she is in extreme pain if she moves at all now, it has gotten worse today than it was). I will be calling around tomorrow to area vets to get an estimate of the costs, and I will probably need help. If anyone can donate any amount to help Bones get her surgery, we would be very grateful. I will be setting up a special fund, andas soon as I know which vet I will be using, I will post the info. If any of you know (or are) a vet within a 100 mile radius of Vermont who would be willing to do Bone's surgery nowand take payments, please let me know! In addition, we would also be very grateful for any prayers and positive energy you could send our way right now. I lost my beloved Do-Dah to a broken spine in 1998, and this is very hard for me, but I refuse to let Bones die from injuries that could be fixed if only we had money. I will be working many hours and doing everything I can to get her into surgery as quickly as possible. The sooner she gets her spine stabilized, the better chance she will have of ever being able to walk again (she could walk yesterday, today she can barely stand). Of course, even if she needs a wheelchair, I will still be keeping her and doing everything I can tohelp her have as good of a quality of life as I possibly can. This is my shot at redemption, I believe, because I could not help Do-Dah when he has this same injury. Please keep us in your thoughts, if you can, we need all the help we can get. Bones is a very tiny snowshoe girl, she is a seal point with ice blue eyes, a big meow, and a loud and grateful purr. I named her Bones because she was, literally, so thin you could see every bone in her body when she first arrived (yes, only 3 days of nursing have made a huge difference already!). Please send her any positive energy you can spare! She has such a big heart, for such a poor little thing! Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Jersey.....
i'm sorry, stany--thank you for loving him and letting him know his life mattered. since no one can prove to me that the rainbow bridge DOESN'T exist, i choose to believe that all my furred friends are happy and healthy there! -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Gloria, please contact ACs to see if they can help you find Sam, this is an emergency and I know they can help locate Sam ASAP I am leaving a couple of ACs names and the contact info to see if they can help - they are all very good. Some also helped locate Sally's lost cat, too. Good luck everything - Also, Dr. Geri Ryan has a meditation that you can use that is effective and bring an animal home quickly - please mention that it's an emergency. Marta Williams - 707.829.8186 Janet Shepherd (410) 664-9960 Jasmine Indra - (207) 443-1125 510-325-2062 (cell) Dr. Geri Ryan (instructor) 510-569-6123- Annette Betcher 360-871-4774 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service Gloria It's heartbreaking---I hope and pray Sam is found safe. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: average lifespan
How are they both doing? Are they asymptomatic? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: average lifespan Ive got a 6 + year old who tested pos last year though vet thinks she had it all along and a 4+ that I took in as a stray last year who also turned out to be pos. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Baass Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: average lifespan Yes, this is very depressing. Tom was about a year and a half the vet said and I guess now he is 2 years old. I know now from what the group said what to expect of his life span. Maybe another year or two. Is Salome just a carrier or is it in the bone marrow? To be 9 years old, shemust be a carrier?? Barbara Baass Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just so depressing to think about, isnt it? I look at Ginger, who is just a year old and every day, I fear of the day but fortunately she is doing very good and try not to think about it too much, instead, I try to concentrate on loving her more - I am going to continue to fight with Ginger no matter what.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Baass Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: average lifespan Doesn't seem to be a long life span. Looks like maybe 3 to 5 or 6 years. I believe that Tom was born with this because it is in the bone marrow. He probably got it from his mother. It is a shame that we have to go through pain and suffering before we die. At least most of the time we do. Barbra Baass Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samantha was 3 (1999) Arielle was 4-1/2 (2001) Gareth was 6-1/2 (2003) Alec was 5-1/2 (2003) Salome' is still with me. She's 9. RuthieGirl was 6 months (1996 -- not a FeLV related death; she was Salome's littermate). Siggie, Sammi, and Guinevere are FeLV negative. =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/ My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:44 PM Subject: Re: average lifespan Yo Jenn - My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004) My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003) My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18. I don't believe it. Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs maybe? (2002) Gloria Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the average life span of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within two years but about 20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course, if everyone here tells you how old their FELV+ furangels were when they passed on, then you'll get a good sampling, and be able to draw your own conclusions, but you'll have to know how long they had the virus, not just how long they lived, because some of them may have caught it later in life, and that would skew the numbers. This could potentially be a very interesting thread, I wonder if we qualify as a study group? Jenn http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news more. Check it out!
Re: Jersey.....
I'm so sorry Stan . God bless you for loving Jersey. You now have a little kitty angel looking down on you. I know that Jersey is happy and healthy where there are others like him to run and play with. I pray that you will be happy again with another fur baby. You have a lot to give. I believe when one of our babies leave us they send another in to our lives. So be prepared. One day soon you may find another one to care for. Sheila
Re: Interferon mixing question re refreezing
I was told to NOT re-freeze the final dilution, but that was several years ago, and maybe the advise has changed these days. I believe I was told, refrigerated, the final dilution has a 2 to 3 month shelf life. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 6/1/2005
Re: Jersey.....
Stan, I'm so sorry that you lost Jersey. You have my deepest condolences. I'm glad to hear you are considering staying on the list. When my Moogie died, I left the list for a while (like a year or so), but then I came back because the people here are so wonderful, and they listen to you and try to help with anything they can (even if it's not FELV related). This is the single most supportive group of people I have ever known in my entire life. We'd love to have you stay, but if you need time, we certainly understand that too! Take care of yourself. In Sympathy,Jenn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 6/1/2005
Re: Jersey.....
I am so sorry. Oh, God, we have lost so many recently on this list. It is such a horrible thing to lose these babies. I am so sorry. Michelle
Re: Jersey.....
Oh Stan, my heart goes out to you, I'm so so sorry. We all know how hard it is, how sad it is. Thank you for your kind words telling us about Jersey's passing. Thank you for your help to me in my searching for Sam, who is still lost. Sleep soft sweet Jersey. Gloria At 03:49 PM 6/1/2005, you wrote: I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am.
RE: Sam is lost - AC
Thank you!! I did contact Jasmine - she said she didn't deal with lost kitties, but gave me the name of Diane Samsel, in South Carolina, and I have an appointment with her in the morning at 10am cst!! Thank you!! Gloria At 04:25 PM 6/1/2005, you wrote: Gloria, please contact ACs to see if they can help you find Sam, this is an emergency and I know they can help locate Sam ASAP I am leaving a couple of ACs names and the contact info to see if they can help - they are all very good. Some also helped locate Sally's lost cat, too. Good luck everything - Also, Dr. Geri Ryan has a meditation that you can use that is effective and bring an animal home quickly - please mention that it's an emergency. Marta Williams - 707.829.8186 Janet Shepherd (410) 664-9960 Jasmine Indra - (207) 443-1125 510-325-2062 (cell) Dr. Geri Ryan (instructor) 510-569-6123- Annette Betcher 360-871-4774 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service Gloria It's heartbreaking---I hope and pray Sam is found safe. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Jersey.....
I'm so sorry he lost his fight. Big hugs to you. Goodnight, sweet Jersey... =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:49 PM Subject: Jersey. I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, StanFrom: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: JerseyDate: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4Ucom(affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Jersey.....
Stan, I am sorry for your loss of Jersey. You were a good daddy and he knew you loved him. Hugs, Del - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: Jersey. I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, StanFrom: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: JerseyDate: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Interferon mixing question re refreezing
Unless I hear otherwise from someone, that is what I thought ... that it could only be frozen ONE time. Anyone else know? Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Interferon mixing question re refreezing I was told to NOT re-freeze the final dilution, but that was several years ago, and maybe the advise has changed these days. I believe I was told, refrigerated, the final dilution has a 2 to 3 month shelf life. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 6/1/2005
short little lives, but full and loved
I found this quoted on another list and I find it of great comfort. I hope some of you can find some comfort too. We who choose to surround ourselves with lives even more temporary than our own live within a fragile circle, easily often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps, we still would live no other way. We cherish memory as the only certain immortality, never fully understanding the necessary plan... It's a quote from Irving Townsend from Separate Life Times. Kathy and Deirdre
RE: RE: average lifespan
Well, Tucson hovers between 16-17 lbs and I recently had to put her on a diet as her weight affected her breathing When she slows down on eating or is in a grumpy mood, I know something is upthats how I found out she was FELV+. Ive had her since she was a kitten, (had fallen into a wall in my parents apt) shes never been exposed to FELV as she was indoors only so vets I saw were sure shes had it since birth. Only problems Ive had were two episodes of very low white blood count which vet treated with immuno-regulin. Big Boy is a stray I fed for a couple of years before bringing him inI saw him every day all that time he was never sick. I was floored when he tested pos. Its hard to tell how old he is but vet says somewhere between 4-6. He has been asymptomatic but vet trips are a real ordeal for him so outside of regular blood tests, I try not to take him in too often. My other 3 (1 older, 2 younger than Tucson), were around her and not vaccinated for FELVThey now get tested/vaccinated once a year (were due this month). Anyway, so far so good, (knock on wood)though I know that things can change in a heartbeat Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: average lifespan How are they both doing? Are they asymptomatic? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: average lifespan Ive got a 6 + year old who tested pos last year though vet thinks she had it all along and a 4+ that I took in as a stray last year who also turned out to be pos. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Baass Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: average lifespan Yes, this is very depressing. Tom was about a year and a half the vet said and I guess now he is 2 years old. I know now from what the group said what to expect of his life span. Maybe another year or two. Is Salome just a carrier or is it in the bone marrow? To be 9 years old, shemust be a carrier?? Barbara Baass Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just so depressing to think about, isnt it? I look at Ginger, who is just a year old and every day, I fear of the day but fortunately she is doing very good and try not to think about it too much, instead, I try to concentrate on loving her more - I am going to continue to fight with Ginger no matter what.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Baass Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: average lifespan Doesn't seem to be a long life span. Looks like maybe 3 to 5 or 6 years. I believe that Tom was born with this because it is in the bone marrow. He probably got it from his mother. It is a shame that we have to go through pain and suffering before we die. At least most of the time we do. Barbra Baass Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samantha was 3 (1999) Arielle was 4-1/2 (2001) Gareth was 6-1/2 (2003) Alec was 5-1/2 (2003) Salome' is still with me. She's 9. RuthieGirl was 6 months (1996 -- not a FeLV related death; she was Salome's littermate). Siggie, Sammi, and Guinevere are FeLV negative. =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/ My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:44 PM Subject: Re: average lifespan Yo Jenn - My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004) My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003) My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18. I don't believe it. Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs maybe? (2002) Gloria Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the average life span of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within
RE: Re: average lifespan
I absolutely agree---Many cats are tested as kittens and never tested againeven if indoor-outdoor. This is not a new disease but has been around forever. So I think its really hard to do any statistical research as unless a cat becomes ill, they are not seen. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tad Burnett Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: average lifespan A couple things to think about.Many many cats are POS but never tested and many of these will never be tested because they don't get sick...and these cats don't get put into the data base that we use to figure life expectance...So in reality the life span average may be longer than we think Also there are advances being made every day that may be a cure...Like feline interferon...There is always the hope that such will be available in time for a cat that is still well today...Plus we know things today..like good food and low stress that we know will help to keep him healthy... Tad PS...I have an old girl..vet thinks she is over 12 years old but she has been with me for almost 2 years and she is doing well...I did just loose my old Sammy that I have had for a year and a half...I thought the 2 old timers were past the age where it would get them but Sammy developed a huge tumor in his mouth in just a few hours and I had to let him go to escape the pain that it was causing him. Chris wrote: Ive got a 6 + year old who tested pos last year though vet thinks she had it all along and a 4+ that I took in as a stray last year who also turned out to be pos. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Barbara Baass Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: average lifespan Yes, this is very depressing. Tom was about a year and a half the vet said and I guess now he is 2 years old. I know now from what the group said what to expect of his life span. Maybe another year or two. Is Salome just a carrier or is it in the bone marrow? To be 9 years old, shemust be a carrier?? Barbara Baass Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just so depressing to think about, isnt it? I look at Ginger, who is just a year old and every day, I fear of the day but fortunately she is doing very good and try not to think about it too much, instead, I try to concentrate on loving her more - I am going to continue to fight with Ginger no matter what.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Barbara Baass Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: average lifespan Doesn't seem to be a long life span. Looks like maybe 3 to 5 or 6 years. I believe that Tom was born with this because it is in the bone marrow. He probably got it from his mother. It is a shame that we have to go through pain and suffering before we die. At least most of the time we do. Barbra Baass Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samantha was 3 (1999) Arielle was 4-1/2 (2001) Gareth was 6-1/2 (2003) Alec was 5-1/2 (2003) Salome' is still with me. She's 9. RuthieGirl was 6 months (1996 -- not a FeLV related death; she was Salome's littermate). Siggie, Sammi, and Guinevere are FeLV negative. =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/ My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:44 PM Subject: Re: average lifespan Yo Jenn - My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004) My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003) My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18. I don't believe it. Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs maybe? (2002) Gloria Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the average life span of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within two years but about 20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course, if
RE: Jersey.....
Im so sorry to hear about Jersey---He was lucky to have you and you are lucky to have had him in your life. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of stany petrov Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Jersey. I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, Stan From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Jersey Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700 Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
