Re: for Kathy New member
Dear Kerry Thanks for your response. Most of the time, I do the best I can with what we've been given, and don't think about the guilt too much. Over the last couple years, I've come up with a couple philosophical ideas that helps when the guilt hits - or when things go wrong: "As long as we do the best that we can for those that are in our care, as long as we stay alert to changes (weight, appetite, drinking, condition, etc.) in those that are in our care (and act on it), as long as we learn from our mistakes and try to teach what we've learned to others, and as long as we remember that many serious diseases have very similar symptoms as minor bugs and some animals are extraordinarily good at hiding medical problems until they're at deaths' door, then when one crosses over to the other side, we can honestly say we did our best and forgive ourselves. Because they already have."I came up with that a year after Samson died - it happened to be about the time I forgave myself for what happened to and because of Akechta and let myself grieve for Akechta's death. I'd been nuts over the little guy - even though he never did learn to like me - and when he tested positive and had to be helped to the bridge because he was so sick, I was so angry with myself for exposing my healthy kids to this virus that I blamed Akechta for getting them sick. It wasn't until we'd faced an outbreak of FIP in 2002because of a Bengal kitten I'd bought who was vaccinated for FIP too young and was mildly sickbecause of the vaccine when I got him that I realized that Akechta didn't ask to be positive anymore than Kohana asked to be vaccinated with a vaccine that's been proven worse than useless just because his breeder thought it would make him moremarketable. He was vaccinated before he was 11 weeks old, theinstructions on the vaccines themselves say not to use it in cats less than 16 weeks old. In kittens that are vaccinated for FIP, a significant number will get FIP from the vaccine, and those that don't and then are exposed to a different strain of the corona virus than the one their FIP vaccine came from, they're more likely to get FIP than unvaccinated kittens. and the other one is: It's normal to want to do everything humanly possible to save a life, and that's important. Doing everything humanely possible to ease suffering is much more important, and sometimes, when the treatment is worse than the disease, and the disease is beyond any chance of a cure, that means letting go. Knowing when to let go is the most important thing of all. Give them every good day they have coming, but know when that last good day has been spent. I came up with that during my time with Legolas. I think you made the right decision with Momcat. It would've been more traumatic for her to be separated from the others. That would be hard to spend time with them to keep an eye on how they're doing and who's showing what symptoms if they were in a bedroom that you didn't have any reason to go into other than to check on them - I ran into that during the quarantine period with these guys. Luckily, my positives all like me to spend time with them, so sleeping with them and being with them before and after I go to bed helps a lot and lets me splitmy time between the two groups more easily. The down side is that I only get to sleep with my negatives when I decide to camp out on the futon in the living room. It would be harder to do that if my positives were feral - then again, it might help them to get comfortable with me faster. It's hard to look threatening when you're asleep. Not all cats who get the FeLV vaccine will getVAS, but a lot of the ones who getVAS tend to get itat the site where they were given their FeLV vaccines.From what I understand, VAS is relatively rare.but knowing my guys and the waythey like to find the medical zebras (unusual, unlikely, and often bizarreproblems), I figure we'd probably end up with 10 or more coming down with VAS.
Flavia, George and Bramble
I hope Flavia and George are doing ok - I will keep praying for them. Jenn how is bones doing - hope he is ok too? As for my furboy - Bramble ate nearly a full pouch of whiskers cat food this morning along with 3 slices of chicken and I was so proud of him - he even came out and ate the cat food out of his own bowl on the floor besides Minstrel and Buddy. I still had to hand the chicken but he deserved that treat. He has not been eating from his bowl on the floor for a week or so now so this was a great sight to see - I have been picking him up and putting him the sofa next to me to feed him but he fed himself almost like normal this morning. He is urinating and drinking more so I was a little concerned about his kidneys but saying that it has been hot and he hasn't had much wet food which will make him need to drink more and his tablets often make cats pee more so I'm hoping. More blood tests I feel at this delicate time would be too stressful for him - I think it's important he starts to feel comfortable and safe. He had a long purr when I was petting after his breakfast - bless him. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel Buddy
URGENT 10 WEEK OLD BABIES felv+
There have been a few postings recently about people looking for companions for their psoitive, don't remember what the loscations were, but these guys are in danger (posted to our listing): --- An existing ad posted to the Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens has been edited. To view the changes made to this ad simply click on the url below: === THIS AD WAS POSTED BY === Name: linda brackett (Linda) Location: Raynham Massachusetts Phone: 508-821-3654 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === AD DETAILS === Headline: FELV+ BABIE URGENT Breed: DMH Age: 8 weeks Weight: 2.5 lbs Adoption Fee: 50.00 Status: felv+ Website: http://noah.petfinder.com Another shelter has asked me to post this for them, they are not allowed to adopt FELV positive kittens. They have 4 FELV positive kittens that are ten weeks old. They are all black and white, fluff balls, very loveable. They are medically up to date and have been spayed/neutered. You can contact Linda at 508-386-3729 or [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Lets get these babies out of there before something happens to them. URGENT UPDATE WE NEED TO PLACE THESE BABIES IN THE NEXT 48 HOURS!
Re: Angel Wings FELV+ cats
I know some rescuers who took about ten cats down to Angel Wings, saw the place and looked around, refused to leave them there and drove all ten cats all the way back here. At 05:03 PM 6/17/2005, Tad Burnett wrote: Is there any update on status at Angel Wings ??? Tad Four Paws Trail wrote: I would be VERY leary about sending ANY cat to Angel Wings!! At 01:09 PM 6/13/2005, Tad Burnett wrote: Hi Jenn Yes..I am in VT too..Mt.Holly..About 15 miles SE of Rutland on Rt 103... My garage is connected to the house via a screened in breeze way and I keep the 7 FeLV+ cats in the room that connects to the breeze way so its not a big problem to use the garage during warm weatherThat should at least give us some time to sort them out as to their future...I don't want to commit to keeping them all forever if there is a lot of them...I am really pushing the limits now with my 27...The cats don't have a problem but its a full time jobI think I mentioned I am retired Anyway that leaves me free at any time to respond to this..but with the animals here I don't stay away overnight or over 20 hours...I would be willing to travel as far as Newburg NY which is at the northern tip of NJ...I84 and I87...Someone coming from Tenn. might want to come across I80 Thats going to be the big problem I suspectI wonder if any of your connections down that way can work on that??? OK...keep in touch Tad mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, guys, I worked a long 10 hour day yesterday, and didn't get online, I'm back on it today! :) That's great Tad, and this has always been my concern, the rescue of the FELV+ cats from this rescue. I will pass your letter on to Kara and Holly (those are the two local rescue ladies who have direct contact with the AW case). Peaceful Kingdom is the rescue in TN that is working to save as many of the AW cats as possible (but they don't say their intended fate for the pos kitties). I THINK that Kara and Holly work for them, but I am not sure of that, I will ask how they are connected, and I believe I have already invited at least one of them to the group, but I will ask them again. Your very generous offer to use your garage will be well received, and they very well may need to take you up on the offer. I'm here in VT too, Tad, and if you need any help, I am more than happy to come lend a hand. (I'm in Hardwick, not sure I remember your location, though I recall you're also in VT, right?). I have not gone through my email from yesterday yet, I'm sure I have an update from Holly or Kara in there somewhere, I'll send it to the list when I find it (I get individual emails for about 20 lists, so I have a LOT to go through yet, I read yours first) Jenn http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ Jenn I just want to say that now I am very much behind this letter...This is the concern...A pos test is a quick death sentence and even for the negatives that are running free with the pos Have you any idea what kind of numbers we are talking about ?? Is Peaceful Kingdom a local rescue group in Tenn.?? And Kara and Holly ??? Is there anyway we could get them to join us ??? I have a Yahoo group already in place that we started a year ago for a place to handle a similar problem of transportation and temp foster etc. and anyone is welcome to join it if its felt that this is getting too much for this list Come to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aforeverhome/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aforeverhome/ to join... Also I have a garage that could house a large number of positives for the summer and I would be willing to pick them up at Newburg NY..(intersection of I87 and I80)...Still a very long way from Tenn. though No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 -- FOUR PAWS TRAIL Visit our web site: http://www.fourpawstrail.comwww.fourpawstrail.com Come and join us on one of our lists - -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Kitty Network Chat Listbr mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dog Chat List br mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Special Needs Cats/Dogs List br mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cat Rescue List br mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DogRescue List br mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Transport List br mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home and Vet Checks List br mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Care and Health Experts List br mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Feral Cat List br mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Country Living List br mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Eastern, Cats Dogs br -- -- FOUR PAWS TRAIL Visit our web site: www.fourpawstrail.com Come and join us on one of our lists - -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Kitty Network Chat Listbr mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dog Chat List br mailto:[EMAIL
RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
Hi, Tonya, do you know if her liver condition got better with milk thisle and denosal? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem I'm sorry George is positive for fiv, but he's got himself a good home which is the most important thing. I had a cat with liver problems who took milk thistle. She also took something else that I can't recall the name of. I'll try to find it for you. She has since passed, but it was not from the liver disease. tonya Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone I took George to the vet yesterday afternoon I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness I picked him up and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to scratch me or bite I felt like he trusted me somehow but when he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldnt do it because he was so wiggly anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the understanding that its going to be a plain short one I went ahead and gave them a permission I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery I was so nervous. My George did very well I was so proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse reaction from the procedure. Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not devarsted by I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby happy boys he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny all the blood work came back normal, except his liver his skin is all jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem I am writing to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem. As I understand that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal yeah!) anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know I would like to do everything I can do help him!! PS, he even lets me pet him I just love my little George!
RE: Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Have you tried using Pill Pocketsthey are little mushy, gummy treats that are made like a pocket. You put pill in it then squish the treat around it. I think that the consistency smell prevent the cat from figuring out theres a pill in there. My guys generally like those. You can search on web for Pill Pockets to get the best price.. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mari Kolbe Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please T: Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have beennotfeeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as Red Dye #xx or are some of them disguised as other chemical names? How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently have afour year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who isa manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf). He was fine upuntil about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites andhad him checked. Allparasites, fleas, earmites - negative. Hisvet says food allergies and he has had a series of depo medrol injections which did nothing. Vet has had him on several of the different single source protein foods - no change. Currently he is on Royal Canins special allergydry food and we are not seeing any change. We have to feed him canned food as that is the only way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried several different allergy canned foods. He will eat them a couple of days and then just stop eating - ANYTHING so we have gone back to canned cr** food to mix his meds in which I know is defeating the purpose. Any ideas on canned food that might be better for him that he will eat would be appreciated. He has to have the canned food for meds because while he only weighs 4#, being blind makes him totally freak if you try to administer meds to him any other way. And once he starts to panic, it brings on a seizure. (Little stinker won't eat the Eagle Pack canned and our Petco's quit carrying the Solid Gold which he would eat a few months ago...) Thanks again, T, for your input. /mari On 6/22/05, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mari, I feed Coebeio the hairball formula. She has horrible allergies, but it seems to be easy on her stomach and she likes it. Plus when Quintapus was alive, I bought it because it was low in phosphorous and he had CRF. Coey also eats the chicken, mixed in from time to time to keep her interest. A lot of cat foods have salmon or shell fish in them and oddly enough, Coebeio is allergic not to the grains, but to red food dye (which like the dyes in lipstick- comes from fish oil), salmon and shell fish. I also feed high quality cat canned food, such as : Solid Gold, Eagle pack, Merrick. Hope this helps. T Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T: Which Eagle Pack are you feeding? We have several with allergies and are having trouble finding a food that truly makes a difference. Someone gave me two different dry formula Eagle Pack foods and both had grains in them. Do you feed canned also? /mari (Spirit Cat) On 6/21/05, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T -- /mari (SpiritCat) Until there are none, adopt one. SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkees of southeastern Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- /mari (SpiritCat) Until there are none, adopt one. SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkees of southeastern Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Flavia update
Dear Kerry, I am sorry, I have been behind reading emails I am so sorry that Flavia has anemia I will be praying so hard that she will recover very very soon please keep me posted with her progress. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Flavia update Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being well will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am. Katyis is a littlepd offafter his mission of mercy. Clumsy me,I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help. I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. Kerry
RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
Thank you, Belinda, I will watch him very closely - I am hopeful (for some reason, just have a feeling), but it can change in a heart beat sometimes - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem Hi Hideyo, Cats that are eating can develope Fatty Liver if they are not eating enough and haven't been getting enough food for a while. My concern is if he is yellow and jaundice, it's more than a small problem, it is serious. Even Buddie with liver cancer and sepsis on top of it was barely yellow, so if he is noticably jaundice there must be a a pretty good amount of liver damage, not to say he can't overcome it, as you know the liver is pretty resilient. Just keep a very close eye on him, you don't want it to develope into Fatty Liver, it is major work and effort to pull a cat out of that. The best way to make sure a cat is getting enough food is get them to their optimum weight and make sure they are maintaining it. Just an FYI cholangial hepititis is also very serious, that is what my vet thought Buddie had, but it turned out it was cancer. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Pls help increase awareness knowing wrong things about FIV+ cats
sounds good to me. it's been such an uphill battle just with felv+. just a nitpick. you wrote vegetarians, you do mean veterinarians, right? and if you do mean veterinarians, i would think such a paper would be very time consuming because of the research involved.(years) and take a long time to get published. I keep meaning to print up a list of websites with felv+ info to give out to my vets because I get so many phone calls from them whenever another patient's cat tests positive and they need someone to talk to. a list of fiv+ sites would be good also. again the problem is if the vets are old school or just don't want to be bothered, they might not even want to be bothered giving out this kind of info to their clients because their clients would then seek a different vet's help in taking care of their cats which translates as a loss of income to the first vet. has any magazine like Cat Fancy done any articles on fiv lately? I know Angel's Gate founder recently published a book think it's called Getting Lucky--dont' know what the contents are. She might have contacts tho or suggestions. (i forget who it is on the list recently brought a cat there). also Denise Flaim at Newsday here on Long Island also published a book last year I believe. she has a weekly pet column--maybe write her to ask to do an article on fiv. (i don't get newsday anymore--no time to read!) Or google other pet columnists for other area newspapers to hit them up. i will ask a local rescue for the info on fiv's. I know of one cat. barbara - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: FW: Pls help increase awareness "knowing wrong things about FIV+ cats" Please let me know if you have any suggestions or thought or do you think its a damn idea? Hideyo From: Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:11 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: Pls help increase awareness "knowing wrong things about FIV+ cats" Since I have been on this list, I have learned a lot about wrong doings of how FIV+ cats have been treated everywhere in the world due to the misconception and lack of knowledge or knowing wrong information I am aware that there have been and are going to be many many FIV+cats who have been and are going to be euthanized just because they tested positive (whether its false or right information) I am not sure what the best way to do about it but we have what we call living examples of how less threatening FIV+ cats are to FIV negatives and how normal life FIV+ can live for a long time and wanted to somehow make some social movements on FIV cats so that FIV cats are treated better at the shelters, rescue groups, and by vets, clinics, and by individual who found out their (new or existing cats) are tested positive Again, I am not sure how to go about it because anything that is published publicly needs to come from a vegetarian, but wanted to compile the information by gathering your experience and present them somehow so that this information are going to be spread via a vegetarian conference or published via pet magazines, newsletters or etc ..I am thinking of sending an email to Dr. Addie (who does research at Univ of Glasgow she has dedicated last two decades on FIP cats but she might have an idea as to which doctor might be supportive of this idea I also thought of contacting to Dr. Yamamoto (I think thats her name) who discovered the virus in 1986 and to see if she has any suggestions or she can help somehow based on our experience. Anyway, I want to do something to protect lives of FIV+ kitties in the world if anyone (even if you have done so already) can you send me the information as to how many and how long FIV+ cats (and negatives) you have and how long they have been integrated, and whether they have been transmitted or not (and the date of the last test done of negatives) and health status of FIV cats (we believe the FIV status does not have any averse affect on their life span and I would like to advocate this fact also Please let me know what you think of the idea and any information you might be able to help. Thank you Hideyo
RE: Pls help increase awareness knowing wrong things aboutFIV+ cats
Hi, Barbara a damn of me, yes I meant veterinarians and not vegetarians - my smart computer overwrote my will as always, and I was stupid enough not to know about it thank you! I also thought about Cat Fancy thats good one I need to get a list of people together who wont mind being interviewed so that they can publish the actual experience Thank you very much all your help on this- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Lowe Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Pls help increase awareness knowing wrong things aboutFIV+ cats sounds good to me. it's been such an uphill battle just with felv+. just a nitpick. you wrote vegetarians, you do mean veterinarians, right? and if you do mean veterinarians, i would think such a paper would be very time consuming because of the research involved.(years) and take a long time to get published. I keep meaning to print up a list of websites with felv+ info to give out to my vets because I get so many phone calls from them whenever another patient's cat tests positive and they need someone to talk to. a list of fiv+ sites would be good also. again the problem is if the vets are old school or just don't want to be bothered, they might not even want to be bothered giving out this kind of info to their clients because their clients would then seek a different vet's help in taking care of their cats which translates as a loss of income to the first vet. has any magazine like Cat Fancy done any articles on fiv lately? I know Angel's Gate founder recently published a book think it's called Getting Lucky--dont' know what the contents are. She might have contacts tho or suggestions. (i forget who it is on the list recently brought a cat there). also Denise Flaim at Newsday here on Long Island also published a book last year I believe. she has a weekly pet column--maybe write her to ask to do an article on fiv. (i don't get newsday anymore--no time to read!) Or google other pet columnists for other area newspapers to hit them up. i will ask a local rescue for the info on fiv's. I know of one cat. barbara - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: FW: Pls help increase awareness knowing wrong things about FIV+ cats Please let me know if you have any suggestions or thought or do you think its a damn idea? Hideyo From: Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:11 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Pls help increase awareness knowing wrong things about FIV+ cats Since I have been on this list, I have learned a lot about wrong doings of how FIV+ cats have been treated everywhere in the world due to the misconception and lack of knowledge or knowing wrong information I am aware that there have been and are going to be many many FIV+cats who have been and are going to be euthanized just because they tested positive (whether its false or right information) I am not sure what the best way to do about it but we have what we call living examples of how less threatening FIV+ cats are to FIV negatives and how normal life FIV+ can live for a long time and wanted to somehow make some social movements on FIV cats so that FIV cats are treated better at the shelters, rescue groups, and by vets, clinics, and by individual who found out their (new or existing cats) are tested positive Again, I am not sure how to go about it because anything that is published publicly needs to come from a vegetarian, but wanted to compile the information by gathering your experience and present them somehow so that this information are going to be spread via a vegetarian conference or published via pet magazines, newsletters or etc ..I am thinking of sending an email to Dr. Addie (who does research at Univ of Glasgow she has dedicated last two decades on FIP cats but she might have an idea as to which doctor might be supportive of this idea I also thought of contacting to Dr. Yamamoto (I think thats her name) who discovered the virus in 1986 and to see if she has any suggestions or she can help somehow based on our experience. Anyway, I want to do something to protect lives of FIV+ kitties in the world if anyone (even if you have done so already) can you send me the information as to how many and how long FIV+ cats (and negatives) you have and how long they have been integrated, and whether they have been transmitted or not (and the date of the last test done of negatives) and health status of FIV cats (we believe the FIV status does not have any averse affect on their life span and I would like to advocate this fact also Please let me know what you think of the idea and any information you might be able to help. Thank you Hideyo
FELV+ cat needs home, TX, contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Note this is NOT my cat, this was found on a different list, and I am just sharing it with you guys, I am NOT the contact: San Antonio TXPlease help me find a home for Butter, the super cat with feline leukemia. He is such a laid back boy. I had rescued him and his buddy from a really dangerous place. He has been neutered and had his rabies shot and, of course, I found out at the same time that he has feline leuk. I think he might be a carrier as he has shown no signs of sickness. Photo in the album.I have a flier available if you email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and post it at work, at the vet clinics, anywhere you can. ThanksJenny No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.11/26 - Release Date: 6/22/2005
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Mari, For the record, Coebeio isn't Felv+, I don't know if that makes a difference, but it might, so I thought you should know. Ok, red dyes. That finding was just by trial and error. It finally occured to me that when I feed her something with red dye in it...she'd break out around the face and neck start vomittingnot right away...but within several hours...or a day. I tested that ...and I'm now very certain that that as well as the salmon, shrimp crab are all contributing factors to her break-outs. NOT that she doesn't have them anymore...because she does..but they are less frequent. Now I only feed her chemical free, human grade, no preservative, no antibotic added, free ranged-meat contained foods. It seems to be helping somewhat. As for canned food, Solid Gold seems the most palitable and best quality, healthiest, for Coebeio. They have a website where you can order directly: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/ As for the allergiesMy vet is still trying to help me to figure it all out as well. Getting rid of the dyes in the food helped. Getting rid of corn in the food helped. Not burning scented candles, not using deoterizors in the carpet ...helpedtrying to limit stress has helped. But yes, she still gets breakouts...from time to time, and I just can't figure out why. What makes it worse is I haven't been able to get her to the vet in ..oh, three years or so. While she is an indoor cat, when she doesn't want to be caught...she can't be caught. You can't even getclose enough to scruff her. I picked her up off the street as an adult, and the only reason I was able to then...is because she came willingly when I told her to get in the car. One thing I will mention tho...not to upset you, but just to keep an eye out for...if your cat is frequently going off food that he would eat for a few daysIs he urinating more as well? Is he drinking more? When is the last time you had blood work done? (My Quintapus started that...progressively "picky" eatingturned out his kidneys had started to fail.) Oh, and with all due respect to Chris, yes try the pill pockets (but they cost about $4-5 a pouch), but not one of my animals, or my extended family's animals will touch them. I used to hide pills in oyster meat, a little bit of tuna or white fish...scallops sardines (rinse the salt)make a nice disguise...or even spam-(but only use a little bit spam has a LOT of salt). Good luck. T Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T: Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have beennotfeeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as "Red Dye #xx" or are some of them disguised as other chemical names? How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently have afour year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who isa manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf). He was fine upuntil about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites andhad him checked. Allparasites, fleas, earmites - negative. Hisvet says food allergies and he has had a series of depo medrol injections which did nothing. Vet has had him on several of the different single source protein foods - no change. Currently he is on Royal Canins special allergydry food and we are not seeing any change. We have to feed him canned food as that is the only way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried several different allergy canned foods. He will eat them a couple of days and then just stop eating - ANYTHING so we have gone back to canned cr** food to mix his meds in which I know is defeating the purpose. Any ideas on canned food that might be better for him that he will eat would be appreciated. He has to have the canned food for meds because while he only weighs 4#, being blind makes him totally freak if you try to administer meds to him any other way. And once he starts to panic, it brings on a seizure. (Little stinker won't eat the Eagle Pack canned and our Petco's quit carrying the Solid Gold which he would eat a few months ago...) Thanks again, T, for your input. /mari On 6/22/05, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mari, I feed Coebeio the hairball formula. She has horrible allergies, but it seems to be easy on her stomach and she likes it. Plus when Quintapus was alive, I bought it because it was low in phosphorous and he had CRF. Coey also eats the chicken, mixed in from time to time to keep her interest. A lot of cat foods have salmon or shell fish in them and oddly enough, Coebeio is allergic not to the grains, but to red food dye (which like the dyes in lipstick- comes from fish oil), salmon and shell fish. I also feed high quality cat canned food, such as : Solid Gold, Eagle pack, Merrick. Hope this helps. T Mari Kolbe
FIV+ cats
Why does everything published need to written by a vet - half of them don't have a clue. I don't see any reason why a group of FIV+or FeLV+ kittie owners can't get together and write about thier experiences of living and dealing with FIV or FeLV and even the problems we face in that so many vets appear to have little working knowledge about the virus and the cats needs but that there are some who are really good. We wouldn't be slandering anybody - it would just be a comment about our experience. Then send that off for publishing in cat magazines. I think we are more expert as a combined group than any vet could possibly hope to be. I think someone in the FIV group is writing a book about peoples experiences of owning FIV+ cats, itwould be good to get stuff like that in the magazines too. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, Buddy
RE: FIV+ cats
Thats very true, Michelle we can do a much better job than they can maybe we can even find a publisher to publish it! Whatever it is we know its the truth that we live with everyday, which can be more powerful that any vets reading something from the book From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: FIV+ cats Why does everything published need to written by a vet - half of them don't have a clue. I don't see any reason why a group of FIV+or FeLV+ kittie owners can't get together and write about thier experiences of living and dealing with FIV or FeLV and even the problems we face in that so many vets appear to have little working knowledge about the virus and the cats needs but that there are some who are really good. We wouldn't be slandering anybody - it would just be a comment about our experience. Then send that off for publishing in cat magazines. I think we are more expert as a combined group than any vet could possibly hope to be. I think someone in the FIV group is writing a book about peoples experiences of owning FIV+ cats, itwould be good to get stuff like that in the magazines too. Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, Buddy
RE: Flavia update
Hi, Kerry, I havent seen your postings today, I am wondering how your baby, Flavia is doing after the transfusion I hope she is doing better Love and hugs to you and Flavia.. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Flavia update Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being well will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am. Katyis is a littlepd offafter his mission of mercy. Clumsy me,I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help. I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. Kerry
RE: Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Tamara, you are right about the Pill Pockets it does not work for all cats but if it does it is easy! The strays I was feeding would not take them but a little ball of ham, liverwurst, or anything sort of smellythey wolfed up! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Mari, For the record, Coebeio isn't Felv+, I don't know if that makes a difference, but it might, so I thought you should know. Ok, red dyes. That finding was just by trial and error. It finally occured to me that when I feed her something with red dye in it...she'd break out around the face and neck start vomittingnot right away...but within several hours...or a day. I tested that ...and I'm now very certain that that as well as the salmon, shrimp crab are all contributing factors to her break-outs. NOT that she doesn't have them anymore...because she does..but they are less frequent. Now I only feed her chemical free, human grade, no preservative, no antibotic added, free ranged-meat contained foods. It seems to be helping somewhat. As for canned food, Solid Gold seems the most palitable and best quality, healthiest, for Coebeio. They have a website where you can order directly: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/ As for the allergiesMy vet is still trying to help me to figure it all out as well. Getting rid of the dyes in the food helped. Getting rid of corn in the food helped. Not burning scented candles, not using deoterizors in the carpet ...helpedtrying to limit stress has helped. But yes, she still gets breakouts...from time to time, and I just can't figure out why. What makes it worse is I haven't been able to get her to the vet in ..oh, three years or so. While she is an indoor cat, when she doesn't want to be caught...she can't be caught. You can't even getclose enough to scruff her. I picked her up off the street as an adult, and the only reason I was able to then...is because she came willingly when I told her to get in the car. One thing I will mention tho...not to upset you, but just to keep an eye out for...if your cat is frequently going off food that he would eat for a few daysIs he urinating more as well? Is he drinking more? When is the last time you had blood work done? (My Quintapus started that...progressively picky eatingturned out his kidneys had started to fail.) Oh, and with all due respect to Chris, yes try the pill pockets (but they cost about $4-5 a pouch), but not one of my animals, or my extended family's animals will touch them. I used to hide pills in oyster meat, a little bit of tuna or white fish...scallops sardines (rinse the salt)make a nice disguise...or even spam-(but only use a little bit spam has a LOT of salt). Good luck. T Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T: Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have beennotfeeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as Red Dye #xx or are some of them disguised as other chemical names? How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently have afour year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who isa manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf). He was fine upuntil about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites andhad him checked. Allparasites, fleas, earmites - negative. Hisvet says food allergies and he has had a series of depo medrol injections which did nothing. Vet has had him on several of the different single source protein foods - no change. Currently he is on Royal Canins special allergydry food and we are not seeing any change. We have to feed him canned food as that is the only way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried several different allergy canned foods. He will eat them a couple of days and then just stop eating - ANYTHING so we have gone back to canned cr** food to mix his meds in which I know is defeating the purpose. Any ideas on canned food that might be better for him that he will eat would be appreciated. He has to have the canned food for meds because while he only weighs 4#, being blind makes him totally freak if you try to administer meds to him any other way. And once he starts to panic, it brings on a seizure. (Little stinker won't eat the Eagle Pack canned and our Petco's quit carrying the Solid Gold which he would eat a few months ago...) Thanks again, T, for your input. /mari
FIV info publishing
Michelle and Hideyo, I am all for publishing something...If you are really interested, my stepmother is a freelance writer and my dad is an editor...Maybe I can talk to them? I think FIV/FeLV kitty owners would reep more benefits reading a book FOR them by people like them than any book in "vetspeak" as we call it around our house! Anyway, I think you 2 are on to something Erika When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you.
RE: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem
As far as I remember it was 'controlled'. She was hard to pill and didn't get all her med.s very regularly as well. She later had a stroke and possible heart attack and I lost her due to that. tonyaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Tonya, do you know if her liver condition got better with milk thisle and denosal? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:20 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: My sweet brave baby - George: FIV and a liver problem I'm sorry George is positive for fiv, but he's got himself a good home which is the most important thing. I had a cat with liver problems who took milk thistle. She also took something else that I can't recall the name of. I'll try to find it for you. She has since passed, but it was not from the liver disease. tonyaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone I took George to the vet yesterday afternoon I was hoping that we could examine him and draw a blood without anesthesia because of his physical weakness I picked him up and was able to put him a bag with a zipper with no problem, he did not try to scratch me or bite I felt like he trusted me somehow but when he was taken to the back to draw a blood, they really couldnt do it because he was so wiggly anyway, I really hated the idea of anesthesia, but with the understanding that its going to be a plain short one I went ahead and gave them a permission I was so scared while waiting, I almost lost one of my FIV boys in the past from the reaction from anesthesia and I lost Suzi from spaying surgery I was so nervous. My George did very well I was so proud of him and he ate last night (really good) and I am hoping that he will not have averse reaction from the procedure. Anyway, he was tested positive for FIV, which I was not devarsted by I have already 5 FIV positive guys and they are all chubby happy boys he only weighed 7.6 lb, he was very skinny all the blood work came back normal, except his liver his skin is all jaundice and the values of AST, ALT Total Billirubin are very very high! My holistic vet had suggested before to use Milk Thistle for Leo when he had a liver problem I am writing to see if anyone has any suggestions for liver problem. As I understand that liver is the most important organ, but fortunately, liver has a great recovery capability unlike Kidney (his kidney is normal yeah!) anyway, if you have any suggestions, please let me know I would like to do everything I can do help him!! PS, he even lets me pet him I just love my little George!
Re: Flavia further update
Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I apologize for not being able yet to replyto your kind individual emails--thank you so much--it's been a crazy two days. Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which reading) to 17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, felt it would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocritwas up to 21.So, she's home, and acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going in box, and being very curious about everything in the room. She's sort of still letting me pet her but I think she's reasserting her feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping in their room tonight. I took lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One or two should be really good. Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And she was his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. Still, I'm a bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly welcome her back with open paws. She's alone in walking around and checking out the room. The others are all hiding (or snarling) as if she's a major threat to them. We go back to vet on Saturday to check the hemato again. That will be a critical time. Please send positive thoughts for Flavia and for the test result at the vet Saturday.thanks again for all the fantastic support. It literally is a lifesaver. Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: RE: Flavia update Hi, Kerry, I havent seen your postings today, I am wondering how your baby, Flavia is doing after the transfusion I hope she is doing better Love and hugs to you and Flavia.. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzieSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Flavia update Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being "well" will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am. Katyis is a littlepd offafter his mission of mercy. Clumsy me,I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help. I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. Kerry
Re: Flavia further update
Kerry, Positive thoughts coming your way, I am sure th eothers just need some time to adjust again, all will be well, I am sure of it, hang in there. Cherie Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I apologize for not being able yet to replyto your kind individual emails--thank you so much--it's been a crazy two days. Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which reading) to 17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, felt it would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocritwas up to 21.So, she's home, and acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going in box, and being very curious about everything in the room. She's sort of still letting me pet her but I think she's reasserting her feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping in their room tonight. I took lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One or two should be really good. Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And she was his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. Still, I'm a bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly welcome her back with open paws. She's alone in walking around and checking out the room. The others are all hiding (or snarling) as if she's a major threat to them. We go back to vet on Saturday to check the hemato again. That will be a critical time. Please send positive thoughts for Flavia and for the test result at the vet Saturday.thanks again for all the fantastic support. It literally is a lifesaver. Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: RE: Flavia update Hi, Kerry, I havent seen your postings today, I am wondering how your baby, Flavia is doing after the transfusion I hope she is doing better Love and hugs to you and Flavia.. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzieSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Flavia update Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being "well" will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am. Katyis is a littlepd offafter his mission of mercy. Clumsy me,I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help. I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. Kerry Have a purrfect day Cherie
