Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[Lora]

Karen,

I remember you (I think. :) You were Baby C's mom
right? The entire C-naming theme? lol. Forgive me if I
am incorrect.

I have the whole litter box thing covered. Wink-wink!
I had requested an Amniocentesis to rule out
Toxoplasmosis back when I was five (5) months (or
twenty (20) weeks) pregnant. 

My OB/GYN ordered a CMV (Cytomegalovirus) IgG  IgM.
The results were positive on ME for PAST exposure, but
the baby's results were negative.

A Toxoplasmosis IgG  IgM. The results were negative
for both me and the baby.

Finally a Triple Alpha-fetal protein screen which was
negative.

The Amnio was way cool! It is a darn shame that not
every woman has one (1) performed during her
pregnancy. It was so easy and completely harmless to
the baby! Those statistics are just there to scare
women out of getting an Amnio. It was no different
than getting your blood drawn in the arm. I had no
complications or side effects what-so-ever. The best
line of defense to any disease is early detection!

The flame warning was included in my post because my
last thread Massive Spraying Issue got a little out
of hand when Sally absolutely insisted that I
immediately contact an animal communicator regarding
my dilemma. I just did not want that result to
re-hatch itself on this thread.

I think I may have confused the group with my TAR
(Trap-Alter-Return) rescue work with my thirteen (13)
kitties! lol. I do NOT do foster care, because all of
my cats have contracted Feline Herpes from my beloved
FeLV positive kitty, Peeper, who passed away back in
2003.

LOL. So the number 13 that you all keep reading is the
actual number of PERMANENT cats that will forever be
in my family. LOL. Sorry if I did not properly clarify
that point.

But yeah. I just cannot bring myself to do anything
more than TAR and vaccinations (which is privately and
independently funded out of my own pocket) for fear
that I will spread the Feline Herpes.

As for the gliders. Well, they have a permanent and
forever home with us too. LOL. Yeah, I have quite a
zoo, but people tend to participate in glider-mills
and I just absolutely CANNOT have it! I won't!

So me and my husband rescue colonies from previous
owners (who would otherwise separate and sell to the
highest bidder) and have the ALL the males neutered.

It is a win-win situation for everyone involved. The
previous owners get a adoption fee FROM me, the
gliders NEVER get separated from their bonded family,
the males get immediately neutered (thus no more
unwanted pregnancies) and I get the satisfaction of
knowing that I took one (1) more colony off of the
street. Not only did I provided a safe, loving and
forever home for these exotics, but they will NEVER
know what it is like to be in a breeding mill-farm!

I would do the EXACT same thing for purebred cats if
we just had the house space. This one and a half story
cape cod only has so much living space.

It is just SO HARD for me to even CONSIDER the idea of
fostering, because even without the Feline Herpes, I
still would not be able to do it. I get too attached
to my babies and as many foster moms (and dads) can
confirm, we always wonder just HOW good of
pet-guardians can these applicants be!

I am sure that we all know the feeling that no one can
be a better cat-mom or cat-dad that us. Right?! lol.
Believe me, I can relate.

So yeah, I am trying to take it easy. The way I look
at it is this. The fur-kids keep me in shape! :)
Taking care of them, the litter boxes, aquarium, five
(5) foot glider cages, etc. will help me maintain my
ideal pregnancy weight and will also aid in losing it
when the baby gets here! Nice huh? LOL. Another
win-win situation! Thanks for the reply!

Lora


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Lora,

I think I remember you. Wow that's a tough personal
choice. Be extra careful with litter boxes toxo is
deadly to a growing baby.

No flaming why would anyone flame you?

If you asked me when I was in my 20's having my kids
I would say no sweat, but now my best recommendation
is take in a lot fewer pets in case something goes
wrong and you have to lets say go on bed rest.

I have one foster who does moms with litters. She is
in her 6th month and needs to slow down. So she is
cutting back to one or two pups instead of large dogs
with large litters. 

If you need to talk been there done that had Belinda
make the tee shirt. LOL. Email me we will talk.



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Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[FORGETMENOTPETS]

yep the whole c naming thing that's us
hey I rescue gliders too !!! I have a mom dad and joey right now on the 
website.my cats love to stay up all night and watch them 
I heard its not good to get dad neutered while the joey is just coming out 
of pouch..too much time away even if just for the better part of the day. what 
do you think?
Girl you have a handle on the whole thing...everything has changed since my 
first in 83. they told me I had toxo but wasn't sure what that was it came from 
a cat and the old tests couldn't tell the difference from past exposure or 
present infectionamnio was new and not an option unless you were over 35. 

I think you have everything covered and I am proud to know you 
again

Re: positives and negatives

[Kerry Roach]

That is awful...I don't really know why people think all of this...My Bandy and Little Rascal (who just turned 16) and another that is 13 all live together and share everything...Bandy is FIV and FeLV +, but I wouldn't separate them for the world as they are all big buddies...The other 2 are Negative andall have been together for almost 5 yrs...I added a new kitty 2 yrs ago with them and he is negative as well...Just wanted to share this with everyone..
Head butts to all and hope everyone is well..
Kerry and Bandy
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Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[Lora]

Karen,

I am SO glad that I was correct on the C-gang! LOL!
I really try hard to remember everyone, but I
understand that it is literally impossible.

You rescue gliders too? Do you really?! Aww, well GOOD
FOR YOU! I have been a glider-mom for ALMOST three (3)
years now. I adopted my first pair back in February
2003. The suggies were a bonded male and female
(brother and sister) and have never left my home
since!

I did not know WHAT to name the little things and as a
result they got stuck with the worst names EVER! LOL.
I named the female Mommy who has never had joeys in
her life, so go figure and the male ended up being
named Guy-Guy. I know. Terrible! LOL. But they were
my first, so I am entitled to a one-time goof right?
LOL.

My kitties LOVE to watch the suggie too. However, I
have my gliders in their own glider-room which has a
door that closes and locks, so the kitties are never
exposed to the gliders without my supervision. I do
not want any accidental deaths occurring.

As far a timing a neuter goes. Well, it is extremely
trick business that can (at times) not go right at
all! lol.

Getting the male neutered is the easy part, it is
deciding WHEN to do it and it is especially hard to
accomplish AFTER the female has bore joeys.

You see, a female can nurse a joey(s) and still become
pregnant with a SECOND joey(s) in utro. Yes, one
joey(s) OOP and a second joey(s) ip. Been there. Done
that. Actually I JUST did that! LOL.

I had Bailey (father) neutered on 09-19-05 and I
roughly calculated that Kahlua (mother) became
pregnant on or around 08-16-05 (08-16-05 to 08-31-05
is exactly sixteen (16) days gestation) and the joeys
iped on 09-01-05. 

Therefore, if these calculations were correct the
joeys could OOP as early as October the 30th (that is
exactly sixty (60) days ip) or as late as 11-09-05
(that is exactly seventy (70) days ip.)

And I was close. I had a new set of identical twin
boys OOP on 10-31-05! Like I need MORE boys as I do
another hole in the head! Grrr! I just had four (4)
neuters performed in between 7-05-05 and 10-28-05 at
$117.00 dollars a piece! Unfortunately, the operations
do NOT come cheap like the feline spay/neuters can
i.e. low-income, sliding-scale, low-cost clinics, etc.

PLUS, a female sugar glider can harvest a fertilized
embryo up to six (6) months AFTER conception!
Therefore, she can surprise you with a pregnancy
even AFTER a neuter! Nice huh? 

I am seriously trying to get ALL of the boys neutered
before the baby comes because my OB/GYN has my
delivery down as a Scheduled C-Section (due to my
extensive medical history) and I am only 27! LOL. Just
the way my luck runs!

Anyway, getting back to your point. It is never good
to separate a pregnant bonded female and male, because
it causes stress (which can lead to rejection and
cannibalization of the joey(s).)

However, if you choose to NOT temporarily separate (in
order to have the neuter properly performed) then you
run the risk having more unwanted pregnancies and the
cycle continues all over again.

Eventually, you have to find a medium break somewhere
and most the time it is the pet-guardian who has to
CREATE that break, because the sugar glider do not
know any better. They will breed themselves to death
if you let them.

For me, the risk of having more joeys outweighed the
risk of stressing them out. Therefore, I have
experience in temporarily separating a newly pregnant
colony and everything went fine. The female did not
reject or cannibalize her joeys and the male did
beautifully in the neuter.

They were separated for a minimum of five (5) days
(long enough for the male to completely finish his
post-operative pain medication) and then was reunited
on the sixth day. Really not that big of a deal.
Easy-easy!

If you have any more questions regarding your beloved
suggies please do not hesitate to give me a holler on
or off the list. I would be delighted to help in any
way that I can.

It is ALWAYS so nice to meet another glider/cat-mom!
There are WAY too many glider-moms who are anti-cat!
Too sad! Keep in touch.

Lora


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yep the whole c naming thing that's us.

Hey I rescue gliders too!! I have a mom dad
and joey right now on the website. My cats love to
stay up all night and watch them!!!

I heard it's not good to get dad neutered while the
joey is just coming out of pouch. Too much time away
even if just for the better part of the day. What  
do you think?

Girl you have a handle on the whole thing. Everything
has changed since my first in 83. They told me I had
toxo but wasn't sure what that was. It came from a cat
and the old tests couldn't tell the difference from
past exposure or present infection. Amnio was new and
not an option unless you were over 35.

I think you have everything covered and I am proud
to know you again.



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Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction

[Karolyn Lount]

Over a period of 14yrs and a mix of  cats, negative  positive, only 2
became positive

Re: Importation of drugs

[gary]

Hi Wendy,

Personal use means used on yourself, not your kitties.  I believe for 
personal use you have to fill out paperwork telling them what condition you 
have.  Apparently, there is a procedure for importing for use on animals as 
several people are importing feline interferon omega.  I would guess the 
procedure would be the same for importing the natural human interferon for 
animal use.


Gary

- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Importation of drugs



Gary,

Thanks for the info.  I didn't know you could import
it for use in your own home.  When you said personal
use, I assume you meant for your cats?  lol.  I have
read that the feline Interferon is much more
effective.  I tried to research how to get it, but it
said it was only available in Europe and Japan.  If
you have any links to the actual ordering websites,
I'd love to have them.

Thanks,
Wendy

Re: Importation of drugs

[gary]

Hi Nina,

The interferon I'm talking about is called 
"Multiferon" and is manufactured by Viragen in their facility in Sweden. 
The distributor I found is Pharmaceutical Solutions, Inc and the contact person 
I was given is Craif Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] he is the one who 
would help you import Multiferon for personal (on yourself) use but he says he 
has no information about the FDA regs for importing for use on animals. 
That is all the info I have except the pricing which was $350 for a box of 5 
vials with 3 million units each. That's enough to do about 1500 cats for a 
year.

Gary

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:35 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Importation of drugs
  Hi Gary,My Internist's office has been very cooperative 
  about helping me and others get special FDA compensations for Interferon 
  Omega, (recombinant). If you give me more specifics, (the name of the 
  drug and company that manufactures, or distributes it), I'd be happy to put in 
  a call to my vet and ask them what they 
know.Nina

Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[TatorBunz]

In a message dated 11/2/2005 12:48:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No flaming why would anyone flame you?
Oh I remember it did get out of hand. 
By the way it was uncalled for.

Just take care of yourself and have husband do the litterboxes. If not possible at times use disposable plastic gloves. 
Myself I have been there and done that as well being pregnant and having at least a dozen kitties at the time.
The babies now full grown adults have done the same with their babies my grandchildren. Nobody yet has gotten sick from having cats.
This seems to be the biggest scare factor in my rescue of Siamese cats. They are given up due to being pregnant regardless of what the cats age may be. It happens more to the senior kitties that need new homes because of it.

Anyway, only you can make the choices of whats right for you and your furbabies.

I wish you a happy and safe pregnancy!!! :)

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Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[jenmeyer]

Nothing to add, just congratulations on the pending bebe!  :)  I'm
sure everything will work out just fine, just stay relaxed, let everyone
know they're loved (I've no shame...I will resort to tuna as bribery for
their love... ;)  )... LOL!  Most of all, enjoy every moment with your
family!

Jen


But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2005 0:19 am
Subject: Pregnant  Rescue Work

 I have a question. Well, it is more of looking for
 some personal advice on an issue.
 
 I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3)
 years now, but ever since the Massive Spraying issue
 back in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses from
 my posts. It is almost as if me and the group have had
 a falling out.
 
 Before I get started and for clarification purposes,
 this post is NOT what you may think that it is. No
 flames please!
 
 For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who is
 happily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten
 (10) in which are strictly indoors cats only.
 Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative.
 
 The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we have
 adopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me and my
 husband have two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallon
 freshwater tank, a horse and twenty-five (25) sugar
 gliders. (We do sugar glider rescue work as well as
 feline rescue work.)
 
 ALL of my kids have been rescues via straight off of
 the street, animal control or human societies. I DO
 NOT BREED. All of my fur-kids have been spayed and/or
 neutered (including the exotics) at four (4) months of
 age. We live on six (6) acres of country land.
 
 Okay, with all of the red-tape out of the way. The
 reason for this post is because this particular
 topic has come up often in the past and I need some
 honest and straightforward advice.
 
 Me and my husband are expecting with our first child.
 I am currently six (6) months pregnant and sacrificing
 any of the fur-kids for our human child is completely
 OUT OF THE QUESTION. We are NOT going to lose ANY
 member of our family due to this pregnancy.
 
 However, me and my husband are completely aware that
 the baby will inevitably change the balance of our
 home's environment and/or atmosphere.
 
 Therefore, we are in need of ideas to help the kids
 through a smooth and safe transition i.e. playing a
 tape/CD that has baby cries on it so that the fur-kids
 can become accustomed to the sound, allowing the kids
 access to the baby's room so that they become familiar
 with the baby's smell, etc.
 
 Spraying, inappropriate elimination, territorial
 aggression, jealousy, rejection and avoidance are
 normal responses to ANY new arrival and/or addition;
 therefore, me and my husband expect and accept these
 types of behavioral outbursts.
 
 I just did not know if anyone here on the list has
 ever continued their rescue work while pregnant. If
 so, how did the transition workout for you? Did your
 fur-kids eventually come around to accepting the new
 baby or do they just call a truce?
 
 Again, this post is not intended to instigate ANY kind
 of argument! Just looking for some helpful and honest
 advice from those of you who have experience in this
 department. Thanks!
 
 Lora
 
 
   
   
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Re: Another one - fantastic vet!

[Nina]

Hi Sue,
Thanks for sharing the story about the good vet.  We're bombarded with 
negative human stories way too often, it's nice to know there are plenty 
of good ones out there too.  When we run across the vets or 
organizations that recommend immediate pts upon diagnosis, we should all 
report back to them with our successes.  These people need to be 
educated, (as frustrating as that is), in order to save lives and 
heartache in the future.  Years ago, before felv touched my life in such 
a personal way, I was told by a trusted rescuer that all Felv kitties 
should be pts, (so they don't suffer agonizing deaths).  Now I know how 
terribly wrong that is.  I wish this person and I hadn't lost touch so I 
could share our stories of love and hope with her.


Do tell Mary that the oral interferon has been known to help mouth sores 
and send her my blessings,

N

Sue Taft wrote:

I've just spoken to my friend Mary who's just got back from the vets 
for the re-test. She hadn't told me another of the cats that she'd 
rescued from the same house was ill. She'd had her to a different vet 
yesterday because she had a terrible mouth ulcer and was running a 
temperature. The FeLV test came back positive and the vet was all set 
to kill poor Daisy. Anyway, Mary decided she couldn't do it as Daisy 
was still eating and was happy in herself,  and so took her home.
 
She took Daisy to our usual vet, Sonia, today. Mary told her what had 
been said, so Sonia checked her mouth, said she'd seen worse and that 
if Daisy was still eating and enjoyed having her tummy tickled so much 
she thought it was worth a bash! Out came the interferon, poor Mary 
has gone home armed with antibiotics, more needles and more 
interferon, but a living cat! It may not work but it has to be worth 
trying and I so admire Sonia for wanting to give it a go. Makes me 
realize why I choose her to treat all my own cats when they're ill 
(including my FIV boy Eric who has an interferon injection every 3 
weeks and is as fit as can be).
 
Sorry to go on, but I wanted to sing the praises of this vet to people 
who know what we're going through.
 
Sue

Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[Nina]

Hi Lora,
I remember the spraying issue, yes it did get out of hand.  I'm sorry 
you felt that we had a falling out with you!  I think it just got 
frustrating for all of us trying to figure out what the heck was making 
your cat so spray happy.  Sally believes strongly in AC, and she was 
sure that was the answer to solving your problem.  We ladies can get our 
fur up!  I'm glad to see you back.  How is that fresh kitty doing?  
Still spraying?


As far as welcoming your baby into your home, (congratulations btw!), 
from all you've described, I'm sure your household will do just fine.  
Keep calm and keep talking to your kitties about how they are going to 
have a new baby to help you take care of.  They know this is your baby, 
just keep spreading that love of yours around, everyone will adjust, 
you'll see.

Nina

Lora wrote:


I have a question. Well, it is more of looking for
some personal advice on an issue.

I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3)
years now, but ever since the Massive Spraying issue
back in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses from
my posts. It is almost as if me and the group have had
a falling out.

Before I get started and for clarification purposes,
this post is NOT what you may think that it is. No
flames please!

For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who is
happily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten
(10) in which are strictly indoors cats only.
Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative.

The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we have
adopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me and my
husband have two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallon
freshwater tank, a horse and twenty-five (25) sugar
gliders. (We do sugar glider rescue work as well as
feline rescue work.)

ALL of my kids have been rescues via straight off of
the street, animal control or human societies. I DO
NOT BREED. All of my fur-kids have been spayed and/or
neutered (including the exotics) at four (4) months of
age. We live on six (6) acres of country land.

Okay, with all of the red-tape out of the way. The
reason for this post is because this particular
topic has come up often in the past and I need some
honest and straightforward advice.

Me and my husband are expecting with our first child.
I am currently six (6) months pregnant and sacrificing
any of the fur-kids for our human child is completely
OUT OF THE QUESTION. We are NOT going to lose ANY
member of our family due to this pregnancy.

However, me and my husband are completely aware that
the baby will inevitably change the balance of our
home's environment and/or atmosphere.

Therefore, we are in need of ideas to help the kids
through a smooth and safe transition i.e. playing a
tape/CD that has baby cries on it so that the fur-kids
can become accustomed to the sound, allowing the kids
access to the baby's room so that they become familiar
with the baby's smell, etc.

Spraying, inappropriate elimination, territorial
aggression, jealousy, rejection and avoidance are
normal responses to ANY new arrival and/or addition;
therefore, me and my husband expect and accept these
types of behavioral outbursts.

I just did not know if anyone here on the list has
ever continued their rescue work while pregnant. If
so, how did the transition workout for you? Did your
fur-kids eventually come around to accepting the new
baby or do they just call a truce?

Again, this post is not intended to instigate ANY kind
of argument! Just looking for some helpful and honest
advice from those of you who have experience in this
department. Thanks!

Lora




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Re: Importation of drugs

[Nina]

Gary,
The reason importing the Feline Interferon Omega is such a hassle is 
because it's not approved for use by the FDA.  The Human Interferon A is 
approved and therefore easier to obtain.  Do you know for a fact that 
the Multiferon is not approved? 
Nina


gary wrote:


Hi Wendy,

Personal use means used on yourself, not your kitties.  I believe for 
personal use you have to fill out paperwork telling them what 
condition you have.  Apparently, there is a procedure for importing 
for use on animals as several people are importing feline interferon 
omega.  I would guess the procedure would be the same for importing 
the natural human interferon for animal use.


Gary

Re: Importation of drugs

[Nina]

Thanks for the specifics Gary.  I'll send an email to my specialty
clinic and ask them if they've ever used it on their patients.
Nina

gary wrote:

  
  
  
  'Glenda,
   
  I don't know how much Interferon
Omega costs but the natural interferon I got the pricing on (Multiferon
manufactured by Veragin) works out to $70 for a 3 million unit vial and
if my math is correct that should make 100,000 30 unit doses.  That is
enough for 274 cats for a year if you dose them every day or twice that
many if you do the 7 days on and 7 off like they did in the study.  I
would think the most expensive part would be the saline and the
syringes.  The study actually uses 10 units per kg so I would guess the
average dose would be more like 50 units if you wanted to follow their
protocol.  Then you'd only get 60,000 doses and that would cover over
300 cats using 7 days on and 7 off.  That should be enough for a year
even at very large sanctuaries.

RE: Pregnant Rescue Work

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Lora--I'm hardly reading/posting right now due to work pressure BUT
wanted to say congrats to you and your husband on the about-to-be
addition to your family!! And wish you  your existing family much
harmony when human baby arrives!
PLUS a heartfelt thankyou to you, along with all the other amazing
people on this list who do the same, for all the huge amount of time,
effort and $$ you devote to homeless and sick animals. What you do is
truly wonderful.
Kerry 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lora
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Pregnant  Rescue Work


I have a question. Well, it is more of looking for
some personal advice on an issue.

I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3)
years now, but ever since the Massive Spraying issue
back in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses from
my posts. It is almost as if me and the group have had
a falling out.

Before I get started and for clarification purposes,
this post is NOT what you may think that it is. No
flames please!

For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who is
happily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten
(10) in which are strictly indoors cats only.
Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative.

The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we have
adopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me and my
husband have two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallon
freshwater tank, a horse and twenty-five (25) sugar
gliders. (We do sugar glider rescue work as well as
feline rescue work.)

ALL of my kids have been rescues via straight off of
the street, animal control or human societies. I DO
NOT BREED. All of my fur-kids have been spayed and/or
neutered (including the exotics) at four (4) months of
age. We live on six (6) acres of country land.

Okay, with all of the red-tape out of the way. The
reason for this post is because this particular
topic has come up often in the past and I need some
honest and straightforward advice.

Me and my husband are expecting with our first child.
I am currently six (6) months pregnant and sacrificing
any of the fur-kids for our human child is completely
OUT OF THE QUESTION. We are NOT going to lose ANY
member of our family due to this pregnancy.

However, me and my husband are completely aware that
the baby will inevitably change the balance of our
home's environment and/or atmosphere.

Therefore, we are in need of ideas to help the kids
through a smooth and safe transition i.e. playing a
tape/CD that has baby cries on it so that the fur-kids
can become accustomed to the sound, allowing the kids
access to the baby's room so that they become familiar
with the baby's smell, etc.

Spraying, inappropriate elimination, territorial
aggression, jealousy, rejection and avoidance are
normal responses to ANY new arrival and/or addition;
therefore, me and my husband expect and accept these
types of behavioral outbursts.

I just did not know if anyone here on the list has
ever continued their rescue work while pregnant. If
so, how did the transition workout for you? Did your
fur-kids eventually come around to accepting the new
baby or do they just call a truce?

Again, this post is not intended to instigate ANY kind
of argument! Just looking for some helpful and honest
advice from those of you who have experience in this
department. Thanks!

Lora




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Re: Another one - fantastic vet!

[Sue Taft]

Thanks Nina

Daisy is having the injectable Virbac Omega Interferon at first. One
injection a day for five days, then one on day 14 followed by more later (I
can't remember the exact protocol). She may then have it diluted to give
orally or she'll carry on with the injections maybe once a month like my
Eric has (FIV). We'll take the vets advice on which is best.

Hopefully the ulcer will clear up quickly and Daisy will have a long happy
life. I have every intention of going back to the original vet and telling
him what we did. He apparently dismissed the use of the interferon
immediately - in his opinion it's a waste of money! I'll have to show him my
Eric's records too, nothing worked on his mouth and I'd have lost him if it
wasn't for Sonia (who is my vet) suggesting the interferon. He needs to be
told.

Mary has other cats too, all negative (as far as we know) and all indoor
cats. Would it be an idea to vaccinate these so that Daisy and Bungle can
safely live among them? I know it's safe to mix FIV cats but I've no
experience with FeLV.


Sue

 Do tell Mary that the oral interferon has been known to help mouth sores
 and send her my blessings,

RE: Jasmine (AC) talking to Ginger

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

My AC, Jasmine talked to Ginger this morning on my behalf this morning,
and she does not feel too great physically, she said that she may have a
thyroid problem, she described as her body is going too fast (like heart
is beating too fast - she said something about -- domelmin??? But I
don't know what it means..) - she also said that it is related to the
FeLV virus... is thyroid a common problem for FeLV kitties??

Re: Another one - fantastic vet!

[Del Daniels]

I did not know oral interferon helps 
stomatitis! My Noah,11, (negative)broke out with it again yesterday 
:( He had it badthis past March as well, he's 11 years 
old.I have plenty of IFN and will begin him on 
it.

Thanks, Del 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:34 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Another one - fantastic 
  vet!
  Hi Sue,Thanks for sharing the story about the good 
  vet. We're bombarded with negative human stories way too often, it's 
  nice to know there are plenty of good ones out there too. When we 
  run across the vets or organizations that recommend immediate pts upon 
  diagnosis, we should all report back to them with our successes. 
  These people need to be educated, (as frustrating as that is), in order to 
  save lives and heartache in the future. Years ago, before felv 
  touched my life in such a personal way, I was told by a trusted rescuer 
  that all Felv kitties should be pts, (so they don't suffer agonizing 
  deaths). Now I know how terribly wrong that is. I wish this 
  person and I hadn't lost touch so I could share our stories of love and 
  hope with her.Do tell Mary that the oral interferon has been known to 
  help mouth sores and send her my blessings,NSue Taft 
  wrote: I've just spoken to my friend Mary who's just got back from 
  the vets  for the re-test. She hadn't told me another of the cats that 
  she'd  rescued from the same house was ill. She'd had her to a 
  different vet  yesterday because she had a terrible mouth ulcer and 
  was running a  temperature. The FeLV test came back positive and the 
  vet was all set  to kill poor Daisy. Anyway, Mary decided she couldn't 
  do it as Daisy  was still eating and was happy in herself, and 
  so took her home.  She took Daisy to our usual vet, 
  Sonia, today. Mary told her what had  been said, so Sonia checked her 
  mouth, said she'd seen worse and that  if Daisy was still eating and 
  enjoyed having her tummy tickled so much  she thought it was worth a 
  bash! Out came the interferon, poor Mary  has gone home armed with 
  antibiotics, more needles and more  interferon, but a living cat! It 
  may not work but it has to be worth  trying and I so admire Sonia for 
  wanting to give it a go. Makes me  realize why I choose her to treat 
  all my own cats when they're ill  (including my FIV boy Eric who has 
  an interferon injection every 3  weeks and is as fit as can 
  be).  Sorry to go on, but I wanted to sing the praises 
  of this vet to people  who know what we're going 
  through.  Sue

Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[Del Daniels]

Flames? You deserve a pat on the back and a 
hug!

Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lora 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:19 
  AM
  Subject: Pregnant  Rescue Work
  I have a question. Well, it is more of looking forsome 
  personal advice on an issue.I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list 
  for three (3)years now, but ever since the "Massive Spraying" 
  issueback in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses frommy posts. It 
  is almost as if me and the group have hada falling out.Before I 
  get started and for clarification purposes,this post is NOT what you may 
  think that it is. Noflames please!For those that do not know me, I 
  am a cat-mom who ishappily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, 
  ten(10) in which are strictly indoors cats only.Currently all of my 
  kids are FeLV negative.The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we 
  haveadopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me and myhusband have 
  two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallonfreshwater tank, a horse and 
  twenty-five (25) sugargliders. (We do sugar glider rescue work as well 
  asfeline rescue work.)ALL of my kids have been rescues via 
  straight off ofthe street, animal control or human societies. I DONOT 
  BREED. All of my fur-kids have been spayed and/orneutered (including the 
  exotics) at four (4) months ofage. We live on six (6) acres of country 
  land.Okay, with all of the "red-tape" out of the way. Thereason 
  for this post is because this particular"topic" has come up often in the 
  past and I need somehonest and straightforward advice.Me and my 
  husband are expecting with our first child.I am currently six (6) months 
  pregnant and sacrificingany of the fur-kids for our human child is 
  completelyOUT OF THE QUESTION. We are NOT going to lose ANYmember of 
  our family due to this pregnancy.However, me and my husband are 
  completely aware thatthe baby will inevitably change the balance of 
  ourhome's environment and/or atmosphere.Therefore, we are in need 
  of ideas to help the kidsthrough a smooth and safe transition i.e. playing 
  atape/CD that has baby cries on it so that the fur-kidscan become 
  accustomed to the sound, allowing the kidsaccess to the baby's room so 
  that they become familiarwith the baby's "smell", etc.Spraying, 
  inappropriate elimination, territorialaggression, jealousy, rejection and 
  avoidance arenormal responses to ANY new arrival and/or 
  addition;therefore, me and my husband expect and accept thesetypes of 
  behavioral outbursts.I just did not know if anyone here on the list 
  hasever continued their rescue work while pregnant. Ifso, how did the 
  transition workout for you? Did yourfur-kids eventually come around to 
  "accepting" the newbaby or do they just call a truce?Again, this 
  post is not intended to instigate ANY kindof argument! Just looking for 
  some helpful and honestadvice from those of you who have experience in 
  thisdepartment. 
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Re: Another one - fantastic vet!

[Sue Taft]

There's loads of useful info. on this site, 
including the use of human interferon

http://www.gla.ac.uk/companion/stomatitis.htm

Sue

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Del 
  Daniels 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:18 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Another one - fantastic 
  vet!
  
  I did not know oral interferon helps 
  stomatitis! My Noah,11, (negative)broke out with it again 
  yesterday :( He had it badthis past March as well, he's 11 
  years old.I have plenty of IFN and will begin him on 
  it.
  
  

Animal Communication

[wendy]

Hi guys,

Hope your day is going well.  I have never heard of
animal communication until I started posting here, and
understand what it is, but am having a hard time
believing.  Can someone sell this theory to me?  I
think I need a little nudge and some stories, too.

Thanks!
:)
Wendy






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Re: Importation of drugs

[gary]

Nina,

Yes, it is not approved here, www.viragen.com (the manufacturers site tells 
you where and what it is approved for.  There is a company in the US who 
makes another brand of natural interferon but they don't sell it at all and 
it is only available for clinical trials.  At least that's what their 
website said.


Gary

- Original Message - 
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Importation of drugs



Gary,
The reason importing the Feline Interferon Omega is such a hassle is 
because it's not approved for use by the FDA.  The Human Interferon A is 
approved and therefore easier to obtain.  Do you know for a fact that the 
Multiferon is not approved? Nina


gary wrote:


Hi Wendy,

Personal use means used on yourself, not your kitties.  I believe for 
personal use you have to fill out paperwork telling them what condition 
you have.  Apparently, there is a procedure for importing for use on 
animals as several people are importing feline interferon omega.  I would 
guess the procedure would be the same for importing the natural human 
interferon for animal use.


Gary





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Re: Importation of drugs

[gary]

Oops, the contacts name is CRAIG Olson, not Craif - 
fat fingered the wrong key.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  gary 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 9:40 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Importation of drugs
  
  Hi Nina,
  
  The interferon I'm talking about is called 
  "Multiferon" and is manufactured by Viragen in their facility in Sweden. 
  The distributor I found is Pharmaceutical Solutions, Inc and the contact 
  person I was given is Craif Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] he is the one who 
  would help you import Multiferon for personal (on yourself) use but he says he 
  has no information about the FDA regs for importing for use on animals. 
  That is all the info I have except the pricing which was $350 for a box of 5 
  vials with 3 million units each. That's enough to do about 1500 cats for 
  a year.
  
  Gary
  

Animal communication

[Lomaxturtle]

Wendy

I don't know if you were a member when I had Bramble so apologies if you 
heard this already and to those who have already heard this story as many of you 
have.

I had never really attempted animal communication before either but decided 
to try following advice from people here when I hit a dilema with Bramble. I 
only had him 6 months in total from the sanctuary - he was FIV and already sick 
when I took him in.

He had many problems including calicivirus, dental probs, skin probs, 
keratitis etc... I gave all 3 of my cats revolution for flea prevention - here 
inUK there was no warning on packaging against giving it to cats with 
diseases or underweight cats. Bramble went into quite nasty seizures for a 
couple of days after I put the revolution on him and at first I was assured it 
was FIV in his CNS and to put him to sleep. Something was telling me this was 
wrong and people here gave me info and experiencesin relation 
toreactions from flea meds - so I held out and his seizures got less 
severe. There's no doubt he had CNSprobs from FIV related illnessbut 
the revolutionjust massively exacerbated it andthen hereturned 
to his normal levels of seizureactivity afterwards. He did well for 
another couple of months. 

During this time I was told by people here about communicating with animals 
and decided to try. I explained to Bramble how much I loved him and wanted to 
help him and that I'd miss him if he wasn't here. But I told him that I didn't 
want him to be in pain and if he had had enough and wanted to let go then it was 
ok for him to do that and I'd be here with him. I told him that he could leave 
hisbody and his spirit could stay here and that he could be here 
orcome to mewhenever he wanted.I also told him to let me know 
in some way if he felt he needed help and explained to him what would happen 
with euthanasia. Bramble got very restless and upset and walked away from me in 
a sulk and giving me definite unhappy signals.I took this to mean he 
wasn't ready and he calmed down when I acknowledged this and told him it was ok 
and I was happy to keep fighting with him. At this point I was so confused and 
prayed each night for a sign that I was doing the right thing. One night the 
face of my angel tidge (last FIV cat) appeared ina dream and a voice 
saying keep going. Bramble improved with good vet and my care for another 2 
months.

Unfortunately he ended up getting another bout of calici which he didn't 
shake off with Virbagen Omega and he entered into acute kidney failure. He 
stopped eating and I was having to assist feed hoping it would make him eat 
again but it didn't - he just got stressed and was trying to hide. I knew in my 
heart he was giving up so I brought him out from hiding and did the whole talk 
with him again as I did before. This timehe just lay on me purring as I 
talked to him and when I told him I'd help him if heneeded me tohe 
moved his paw up and gave me a gentle squeeze and it was as if he was saying 
"yes I've had enough now" and he was the most comfortable he'd been all week. I 
made the appointment and he was put to sleep that day.That last hour 
ofhaving him content with his paw on my shoulder was 
priceless.Although it hurts so much anytime you have to lose your babies 
it was probably the only one true time that I didn't feel guilty about putting 
to sleep. I never pts unless I know it's the right thing to do but there is 
still usually some feeling of guilt and the what if's in me.This was 
certainly the right time and I was happy that everything had been done for him 
in the time I had him. Whereas if I'd put to sleep the 2 months prior to 
thatit would have left me riddled with guiltbecause Bramble wasn't 
ready to go.

I would not have believed the power of that communication had I not been 
through it with Bramble. Still hurts and I still cry as I write about it even 
now because I can still feel his little squeeze but I can honestly say I had 
never experienced communication with an animal like I did with Bramble - I got 
that because I opened my mind to it - now I'm converted - and it got me 2 more 
precious months with my angel boy..

Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy  Angel Bramble

Re: Animal communication

[wendy]

Michelle,

Thank you for the beautiful story about Bramble.  My
heart was in my throat as I read his story.  One of
the reasons I am so frustrated and stressed is that I
don't think Cricket understands what is happening.  I
took him to get another IV shot of ImmunoRegulin
yesterday and he must have been feeling better because
he screamed like a wild banshee.  I felt HORRIBLE
because I knew he was upset with me because he doesn't
understand that what I'm doing is trying to help. 
Maybe an animal communicator is just what I need to
take part of this stress away from both of us.

Thanks again,
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wendy
  
 I don't know if you were a member when I had Bramble
 so apologies if you  
 heard this already and to those who have already
 heard this story as many of you  
 have.
  
 I had never really attempted animal communication
 before either but decided  
 to try following advice from people here when I hit
 a dilema with Bramble. I  
 only had him 6 months in total from the sanctuary -
 he was FIV and already 
 sick  when I took him in.
  
 He had many problems including calicivirus, dental
 probs, skin probs,  
 keratitis etc... I gave all 3 of my cats revolution
 for flea prevention - here  in 
 UK there was no warning on packaging against giving
 it to cats with  diseases 
 or underweight cats. Bramble went into quite nasty
 seizures for a  couple of 
 days after I put the revolution on him and at first
 I was assured it  was FIV in 
 his CNS and to put him to sleep. Something was
 telling me this was  wrong and 
 people here gave me info and experiences in relation
  to reactions from flea 
 meds - so I held out and his seizures got less 
 severe. There's no doubt he 
 had CNS probs from FIV related illness but  the
 revolution just massively 
 exacerbated it and then he returned  to his normal
 levels of seizure activity 
 afterwards. He did well for  another couple of
 months. 
  
 During this time I was told by people here about
 communicating with animals  
 and decided to try. I explained to Bramble how much
 I loved him and wanted to  
 help him and that I'd miss him if he wasn't here.
 But I told him that I 
 didn't  want him to be in pain and if he had had
 enough and wanted to let go then 
 it was  ok for him to do that and I'd be here with
 him. I told him that he 
 could leave  his body and his spirit could stay here
 and that he could be here  or 
 come to me whenever he wanted. I also told him to
 let me know  in some way if 
 he felt he needed help and explained to him what
 would happen  with euth
 anasia. Bramble got very restless and upset and
 walked away from me in  a sulk and 
 giving me definite unhappy signals. I took this to
 mean he  wasn't ready and 
 he calmed down when I acknowledged this and told him
 it was ok  and I was happy 
 to keep fighting with him. At this point I was so
 confused and  prayed each 
 night for a sign that I was doing the right thing.
 One night the  face of my 
 angel tidge (last FIV cat) appeared in a dream and a
 voice  saying keep going. 
 Bramble improved with good vet and my care for
 another 2  months.
  
 Unfortunately he ended up getting another bout of
 calici which he didn't  
 shake off with Virbagen Omega and he entered into
 acute kidney failure. He  
 stopped eating and I was having to assist feed
 hoping it would make him eat  again 
 but it didn't - he just got stressed and was trying
 to hide. I knew in my  
 heart he was giving up so I brought him out from
 hiding and did the whole talk  
 with him again as I did before. This time he just
 lay on me purring as I  
 talked to him and when I told him I'd help him if he
 needed me to he  moved his paw 
 up and gave me a gentle squeeze and it was as if he
 was saying  yes I've had 
 enough now and he was the most comfortable he'd
 been all week. I  made the 
 appointment and he was put to sleep that day.That
 last hour  of having him 
 content with his paw on my shoulder was  priceless.
 Although it hurts so much 
 anytime you have to lose your babies  it was
 probably the only one true time that 
 I didn't feel guilty about putting  to sleep. I
 never pts unless I know it's 
 the right thing to do but there is  still usually
 some feeling of guilt and the 
 what if's in me. This was  certainly the right time
 and I was happy that 
 everything had been done for him  in the time I had
 him. Whereas if I'd put to 
 sleep the 2 months prior to  that it would have left
 me riddled with guilt 
 because Bramble wasn't  ready to go.
  
 I would not have believed the power of that
 communication had I not been  
 through it with Bramble. Still hurts and I still cry
 as I write about it even  
 now because I can still feel his little squeeze but
 I can honestly say I had  
 never experienced communication with an animal like
 I did with Bramble - I got  
 that because I opened my mind to it - now I'm
 converted - and it got me 2 more 
  precious months with my angel 

Re: Animal communication website

[wendy]

Here is a great website that an animal communicator
created.  Good information on letting go when it's
time.

http://www.katberard.com/com_faq.htm

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wendy
  
 I don't know if you were a member when I had Bramble
 so apologies if you  
 heard this already and to those who have already
 heard this story as many of you  
 have.
  
 I had never really attempted animal communication
 before either but decided  
 to try following advice from people here when I hit
 a dilema with Bramble. I  
 only had him 6 months in total from the sanctuary -
 he was FIV and already 
 sick  when I took him in.
  
 He had many problems including calicivirus, dental
 probs, skin probs,  
 keratitis etc... I gave all 3 of my cats revolution
 for flea prevention - here  in 
 UK there was no warning on packaging against giving
 it to cats with  diseases 
 or underweight cats. Bramble went into quite nasty
 seizures for a  couple of 
 days after I put the revolution on him and at first
 I was assured it  was FIV in 
 his CNS and to put him to sleep. Something was
 telling me this was  wrong and 
 people here gave me info and experiences in relation
  to reactions from flea 
 meds - so I held out and his seizures got less 
 severe. There's no doubt he 
 had CNS probs from FIV related illness but  the
 revolution just massively 
 exacerbated it and then he returned  to his normal
 levels of seizure activity 
 afterwards. He did well for  another couple of
 months. 
  
 During this time I was told by people here about
 communicating with animals  
 and decided to try. I explained to Bramble how much
 I loved him and wanted to  
 help him and that I'd miss him if he wasn't here.
 But I told him that I 
 didn't  want him to be in pain and if he had had
 enough and wanted to let go then 
 it was  ok for him to do that and I'd be here with
 him. I told him that he 
 could leave  his body and his spirit could stay here
 and that he could be here  or 
 come to me whenever he wanted. I also told him to
 let me know  in some way if 
 he felt he needed help and explained to him what
 would happen  with euth
 anasia. Bramble got very restless and upset and
 walked away from me in  a sulk and 
 giving me definite unhappy signals. I took this to
 mean he  wasn't ready and 
 he calmed down when I acknowledged this and told him
 it was ok  and I was happy 
 to keep fighting with him. At this point I was so
 confused and  prayed each 
 night for a sign that I was doing the right thing.
 One night the  face of my 
 angel tidge (last FIV cat) appeared in a dream and a
 voice  saying keep going. 
 Bramble improved with good vet and my care for
 another 2  months.
  
 Unfortunately he ended up getting another bout of
 calici which he didn't  
 shake off with Virbagen Omega and he entered into
 acute kidney failure. He  
 stopped eating and I was having to assist feed
 hoping it would make him eat  again 
 but it didn't - he just got stressed and was trying
 to hide. I knew in my  
 heart he was giving up so I brought him out from
 hiding and did the whole talk  
 with him again as I did before. This time he just
 lay on me purring as I  
 talked to him and when I told him I'd help him if he
 needed me to he  moved his paw 
 up and gave me a gentle squeeze and it was as if he
 was saying  yes I've had 
 enough now and he was the most comfortable he'd
 been all week. I  made the 
 appointment and he was put to sleep that day.That
 last hour  of having him 
 content with his paw on my shoulder was  priceless.
 Although it hurts so much 
 anytime you have to lose your babies  it was
 probably the only one true time that 
 I didn't feel guilty about putting  to sleep. I
 never pts unless I know it's 
 the right thing to do but there is  still usually
 some feeling of guilt and the 
 what if's in me. This was  certainly the right time
 and I was happy that 
 everything had been done for him  in the time I had
 him. Whereas if I'd put to 
 sleep the 2 months prior to  that it would have left
 me riddled with guilt 
 because Bramble wasn't  ready to go.
  
 I would not have believed the power of that
 communication had I not been  
 through it with Bramble. Still hurts and I still cry
 as I write about it even  
 now because I can still feel his little squeeze but
 I can honestly say I had  
 never experienced communication with an animal like
 I did with Bramble - I got  
 that because I opened my mind to it - now I'm
 converted - and it got me 2 more 
  precious months with my angel boy..
  
 Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy  Angel Bramble
 




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Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction

[felv]

Has never happened to me, in fact, just the opposite, I know for a fact that 
none of
my cats have caught FELV from any of those sources, even though there was a 
FELV+ cat
sharing those things with them for 18 months.

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a 
world of
difference for that one animal.
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you 
can send
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Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[felv]

When I was pregnant, one of my cats used to sleep on my big belly and in the 
baby
cradle. After my baby was born, my cat carefully would sleep curled up beside 
her in
the cradle. I never once had any issues between any of my cats and the baby, 
they all
got along wonderfully. I think most people are scared the cats will hurt the 
baby, so
they stress out, and shoo the cats away from the baby, because the HUMAN 
parents are
paranoid. I did nothing... and everything went great, cats loved baby, baby 
didn't
care one way or another about the cat sharing her bed. Babies should be laid on 
their
sides bolstered between two rolled up towels to sleep. In this position, it is
impossible for them to choke on their own spit up OR for a cat to lay on their 
face
enough to hinder their breathing. As babies mature, they begin to pull fur on 
the cat
if the cat tries to curl up too close... cats learn to avoid the baby on their 
own,
no human discouragement is required. It's really amazing what nature works out 
on
it's own if you just leave it to be, and let it run it's own course. Litter 
pans do
need to be put in a non-baby accessible place one baby begins to crawl or 
walk
(obviously).

As far as rescue work goes, I would avoid doing anything that would lead to you 
being
bitten by an unknown animal, as I doubt they would be able to do the rabies 
treatment
on a pregnant woman without harming the fetus. You should also have all the 
cats (and
other animals) you care for tested for Toxoplasmosis and parasites, and if they 
have
any of those things, have them treated so that handling them and their litter, 
bowls,
and bodies is not endangering your pregnancy.

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a 
world of
difference for that one animal.
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you 
can send
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Re: Should I spay Ginger?

[felv]

Bones is home and doing GREAT! I really think they did a great job on her spay, 
she
came home happy, and active, and more loving than before. They said they all 
loved
her, she was so sweet to them while there. She has a pain patch that stays on 
for 3
days... but so far she is doing great, you would NEVER know anything had been 
done to
her. I'm VERY happy with the results!

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a 
world of
difference for that one animal.
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you 
can send
them to, to help feed Bazil!



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RE: Animal Communication

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

There is a book called learning their language by Marta Williams - if
you have a chance, give a try to read it.. You might find it a bit
easier to believe than me convincing it - they are basically psychic -
though they hate to be called that.. more like an intuitionist...
anyway, I have used a handful.. Sometimes there is no way to know 100%
that they are 100% right.. and good ACs will tell you, I'm not 100%
right.. but there are some of them who works with police to find missing
animals as well.

I don't know how many of them are right 100% - they don't even know..
they usually communicate the image which comes to them and translate
into our language.. I did have some amazing experience with some of
them, confirmed that what they said was very true (I used two ACs for a
same situations - and they both said very exact same thing and it turned
out to be true) -

I personally don't know if what I am hearing is right all the time. But
I do believe psychic as my sister is --- I don't want to sound crazy,
but she can see through things spiritually that no one can.. as for
example.. let's say if I rescue a cat, and if I start talking to her
about this cat on the phone (I am in US, and she is in Japan), she can
describe to me exactly what the cat looks like.. which is amazing.. and
I am not lying to you.

If you want to give a try, I can give you my ACs... you might believe it
or you might not.. but after my interactions with AC, I start being able
to deal with death of my animals more peacefully, and I am grateful of
it.

Again, read the book, I find it very very inspiring..


Hideyo

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Animal Communication

Hi guys,

Hope your day is going well.  I have never heard of
animal communication until I started posting here, and
understand what it is, but am having a hard time
believing.  Can someone sell this theory to me?  I
think I need a little nudge and some stories, too.

Thanks!
:)
Wendy






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Bones is doing great

[Nina]

Hooray!!!  I've been thinking about you guys, I'm so pleased to hear the 
good news.  She's one special kitty!

N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Bones is home and doing GREAT! I really think they did a great job on her spay, 
she
came home happy, and active, and more loving than before. They said they all 
loved
her, she was so sweet to them while there. She has a pain patch that stays on 
for 3
days... but so far she is doing great, you would NEVER know anything had been 
done to
her. I'm VERY happy with the results!

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a 
world of
difference for that one animal.
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you 
can send
them to, to help feed Bazil!



 

RE: Animal Communication

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

I meant missing people 

-Original Message-
From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 3:02 PM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: Animal Communication

There is a book called learning their language by Marta Williams - if
you have a chance, give a try to read it.. You might find it a bit
easier to believe than me convincing it - they are basically psychic -
though they hate to be called that.. more like an intuitionist...
anyway, I have used a handful.. Sometimes there is no way to know 100%
that they are 100% right.. and good ACs will tell you, I'm not 100%
right.. but there are some of them who works with police to find missing
animals as well.

I don't know how many of them are right 100% - they don't even know..
they usually communicate the image which comes to them and translate
into our language.. I did have some amazing experience with some of
them, confirmed that what they said was very true (I used two ACs for a
same situations - and they both said very exact same thing and it turned
out to be true) -

I personally don't know if what I am hearing is right all the time. But
I do believe psychic as my sister is --- I don't want to sound crazy,
but she can see through things spiritually that no one can.. as for
example.. let's say if I rescue a cat, and if I start talking to her
about this cat on the phone (I am in US, and she is in Japan), she can
describe to me exactly what the cat looks like.. which is amazing.. and
I am not lying to you.

If you want to give a try, I can give you my ACs... you might believe it
or you might not.. but after my interactions with AC, I start being able
to deal with death of my animals more peacefully, and I am grateful of
it.

Again, read the book, I find it very very inspiring..


Hideyo

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Animal Communication

Hi guys,

Hope your day is going well.  I have never heard of
animal communication until I started posting here, and
understand what it is, but am having a hard time
believing.  Can someone sell this theory to me?  I
think I need a little nudge and some stories, too.

Thanks!
:)
Wendy






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Re: Another one - fantastic vet!

[Nina]

There was a point when I was giving Gracie 3cc of oral interferon 
daily.  Her gingivitis never looked better.

N

Del Daniels wrote:

I did not know oral interferon helps stomatitis!  My Noah,11, 
(negative) broke out with it again yesterday :(   He had it bad this 
past March as well, he's 11 years old.  I have plenty of IFN and will 
begin him on it.  
 
Thanks, Del

Re: Should I spay Ginger?

[wendy]

Jenn-

Glad to hear about Bones' successful surgery!  Yea!
Breathe easier now.

:)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bones is home and doing GREAT! I really think they
 did a great job on her spay, she
 came home happy, and active, and more loving than
 before. They said they all loved
 her, she was so sweet to them while there. She has a
 pain patch that stays on for 3
 days... but so far she is doing great, you would
 NEVER know anything had been done to
 her. I'm VERY happy with the results!
 
 Jenn
 http://ucat.us
 http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
 Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
 http://ucat.us/adopt.html
 Adopt a FIV+ cat:
 http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
 http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html
 Adopt a FELV+ cat:
 http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
 Saving one animal won't make a difference in the
 world, but it will make a world of
 difference for that one animal.

~~~
 I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3
 yr old special needs cat who must
 live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
 Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to
 KMR, where they add up until she
 earns a free can of formula!
 PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for
 Bazil!
 
 If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for
 the mailing address you can send
 them to, to help feed Bazil!
 
 
 
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RE: Animal Communication

[wendy]

Hideyo-

Thank you for the wonderful information.  Very neat
about your sister.  I do believe people can be
psychic.  Seen too many things that are otherwise
unexplainable.  Are your AC's in Texas?

:)
Wendy



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Re: Another one - fantastic vet!

[Nina]

Sue,
If you ask a vet about mixing + with -, they will tell you not to do 
it.  Why wouldn't they?  It's not their household, the safest course of 
action is to keep them apart.  Actually, the SAFEST course of action is 
to pts, I don't agree with that either, (obviously).  I care more about 
quality of life rather than quantity, and there was never any hesitation 
about mixing in my house.  It was a mute point anyway, because by the 
time I found out about my kitties pos status, they'd been mixed with my 
negatives for months.  I had anxious feelings about the possibilities of 
my negs contracting felv, I knew it would be very tough for me to deal 
with that sort of consequence, but I also couldn't live with shutting up 
my angels in a room somewhere, that's no way to live, imo.


From the experience of the folks on this list, (me included), a healthy 
adult, vaccinated cat has very little chance of succumbing to felv.  Are 
Mary's other cats adult and healthy?  I can't tell anyone else what to 
do, but if it were me, I'd vaccinate my cats, keep them separate for 
whatever the necessary period of time it takes to develop immunity and 
then celebrate the day when everyone could join together in one big 
happy family.

Nina

Sue Taft wrote:


Thanks Nina

Daisy is having the injectable Virbac Omega Interferon at first. One
injection a day for five days, then one on day 14 followed by more later (I
can't remember the exact protocol). She may then have it diluted to give
orally or she'll carry on with the injections maybe once a month like my
Eric has (FIV). We'll take the vets advice on which is best.

Hopefully the ulcer will clear up quickly and Daisy will have a long happy
life. I have every intention of going back to the original vet and telling
him what we did. He apparently dismissed the use of the interferon
immediately - in his opinion it's a waste of money! I'll have to show him my
Eric's records too, nothing worked on his mouth and I'd have lost him if it
wasn't for Sonia (who is my vet) suggesting the interferon. He needs to be
told.

Mary has other cats too, all negative (as far as we know) and all indoor
cats. Would it be an idea to vaccinate these so that Daisy and Bungle can
safely live among them? I know it's safe to mix FIV cats but I've no
experience with FeLV.


Sue

Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[Lora]

Terrie,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I remember you too. You have used Patricia Schaller in
the past for a few of your kitties and suggested that
I contact her about the spraying, but I agree. The
topic did quickly get out of hand.

Yeah, my husband helps out a great deal with the kids.
Years ago, we devised an animal schedule that
equally divides up the workload between the kids, so
we know exactly which of us is responsible for what.
It is really quite an ingenious plan that is both fun
and extremely effective. All the work successfully
gets completed in record time.

I am responsible for the gliders, but Christopher
helps assist me in carrying the cages down the stairs
(a task I USED to be able to perform before I became
pregnant) to be tore down and washed once a month, he
tends to the dogs and the horse, he feeds the kids
(kitties) their dry food in the mornings while I give
them their medication at night (L-Lysine, Vitamin C
and Cranberry), I drain and dismantle the aquarium
once a month, while he temporarily takes charge of
washing, disinfecting and sanitizing all of the litter
boxes on a monthly bases (again, another task I USED
to be able to perform before we knew that we were
expecting.)

So everything is quite organized, structure and
balanced in our home thanks to our teamwork, but it is
the balance that concerns me the most when it comes to
the baby. All of our efforts of a synchronized and
harmonize home will be enormously disruptive once she
gets here.

All we can do that this point is hope and pray that
the kids will have a smooth and safe transition. Of
course, me and my husband will help ensure that the
transition is as stress-free as possible for everyone
involved, but unfortunately it is impossible to
eliminate ALL of the possible future stress.

I can just see a Herpes outbreak as soon as the baby
gets here. In our house, any kind of stress and
environmental change to the atmosphere ALWAYS induces
the red watery wink. Once one (1) of the kitties
visibly exhibit symptoms of the virus turning active,
the active virus spreads like wildfire to ALL of the
kids. It is such a huge hassle! :(

However, we will just have to be properly prepared for
any possible outbreaks and deal with the highs and
lows as the come.

Lora



--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No flaming why would anyone flame you?

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Oh I remember it did get out of hand. By the way it
was uncalled for.

Just take care of yourself and have husband do the
litter boxes. If not possible at times use disposable
plastic gloves.

Myself I have been there and done that as well being
pregnant and having at least a dozen kitties at the
time. The babies (now full grown adults) have done the
same with their babies i.e. my grandchildren. 

Nobody yet has gotten sick from having cats.

This seems to be the biggest scare factor in my
rescue of Siamese cats. They are given up due to being
pregnant regardless of what the cats age may be. It
happens more to the senior kitties that need new homes
because of it.

Anyway, only you can make the choices of whats right
for you and your furbabies.

I wish you a happy and safe pregnancy!!! :)

Terrie Mohr
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Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[Lora]

Jen,

It is good to hear from you again. How is Charlie? Is
he still with you? There is just something endearing
about a puss in diapers right? lol.

Thanks for the congrats!

True. Remaining calm, cool and collected through the
entire transition will help the kids to relax as well.
An excellent point, since cats are so sensitive to
their humans' moods ans emotions!

We are enjoying EVERY minute of it! Change can be good
right? LOL. Well, at least for some people. The
problem is, am I one of those people?! ;)

Lora  

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nothing to add, just congratulations on the
pending babe! :)

I'm sure everything will work out just fine. Just stay
relaxed, let everyone know they're loved (I've no
shame...I will resort to tuna as bribery for
their love! ;)) LOL!

Most of all, enjoy every moment with your family!

Jen


But if you tame me, then we shall need each other.
To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I
shall be unique in all the world; You become
responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --

---Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you
and you will know each other. If you do not talk to
them you will not know them, and what you do not know
you will fear. What one fears one destroys.

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Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction

[catatonya]

Neither of my 2 girls. One I got as a kitten and I assume she was positive at birth. Found as a stray living behind a coke machine at a K-Mart. My other was about a year old when she was dumped at my vet's office already positive. Between the two of them they have been in contact with at least 13 negative cats I have had over the years and none of the 13 ever contracted it. Thepositive I got as a kitten wasraised with another kitten I found around the same time and had vaccinated. He is still negative years later. even after being exposed at a young age.

twendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just curious:How many of you know without a shadow of a doubt thatone of your cats contracted FeLV by coming intocontact with a FeLV positive by means of grooming,food, water, or litter (ie. NOT by means of a fight orvia birth). I am interested to hear what the resultswill be. Thanks!__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: Second test

[catatonya]

I hope you get "negative" results!!!

tonyaSue Taft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




I wrote a message here some time ago about an FeLV positive cat a friend had rescued (now called Bungle). He's been doing really well, he's had a course of feline omega interferon which appears to have helped. He's eating really well now, has put on weight and his coat is so glossy.

As recommended by several people here, he's going back for a re-test this afternoon. The blood will be sent off to Glasgow University for the test, rather than the in-house ELISA one - the vet agreed this was a sensible thing to do. Fingers crossed he's shifted the virus! He's such a happy cat, I'm so pleased the vet didn't suggest euthanasia (not that we'd have done it anyway - but it makes it easier when the vets on your side).

I'll let you know the results when they come back.

Thanks for all the encouragement.

Sue

Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[Lora]

Hi Nina,

You were the first person to respond to my Massive
Spraying Issue thread, referring me to Patricia
Schaller's website.

It is kinda sad in a way to be remembered as the woman
who had the spray-happy cat. LOL. But it IS the truth!
Does your Ursula still spray?

As far as falling out with the group goes. It just
felt that way. I am so relieved that this is
definitely NOT the case!

And yes, believe it or not, I still have Dartagnan
Montague. Without re-hatching this too bad, he is now
on Fluoxetine (kitty Prozac) 2mg daily. It helps, but
it is by far NO cure.

The new prescription was finally prescribed 07-26-05.
I have to get the medication through an Apothecary and
it comes in capsule form.

Lora

--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Lora,

I remember the spraying issue, yes it did get out of
hand. I'm sorry you felt that we had a falling out
with you! I think it just got frustrating for all of
us trying to figure out what the heck was making 
your cat so spray happy.

Sally believes strongly in AC, and she was sure that
was the answer to solving your problem. We ladies can
get our fur up! I'm glad to see you back. How is that
fresh kitty doing? Still spraying?

As far as welcoming your baby into your home,
(congratulations btw!), from all you've described I'm
sure household will do just fine.

Keep calm and keep talking to your kitties about how
they are going to have a new baby to help you take
care of. They know this is your baby, just keep
spreading that love of yours around, everyone will
adjust, you'll see.

Nina




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Re: Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea?

[catatonya]

Hi,
When I got my first positive I didn't know she was positive. I had at least 11 other cats at the time that were NOT up to date on their vaccinations. They were 2-3 years off schedule (the adults anyway. kittens were up to date). Anyhow, I spent a lot of money retesting and retesting my negatives because I was so afraid they would catch it and it would be my fault for not getting them vaccinated and not being more careful bringing in a new cat.
After testing them all 2 or 3 times in different time increments, 90 days, 6 months, etc they just kept coming back negative, negative, negative. I quit retesting them and kept my positive cat. Now I only retest if someone gets sick and we're trying to find out what's wrong. It's been about 10? years???
tonya

Re: positives and negatives

[Dudes]

Absolutely no offense taken. I just wasn't sure if you were serious 
or not.I just don't know this vet very well,because my vet of choice 
quit her practice recently.The main reason was over the people and not her 
patients.

And hey! Shooting is as Texan as cowboy boots.I have a 
friend who keepsa shotgun by her bed. Again, I doubt is it to shoot 
anything with a tail. :)

Sandy

Re: help needed--problem with subQ

[catatonya]

I've had this problem too. It's annoying. I've tried marking the bag with magic marker, and shortening the line so that I can stand at eye level with the bag and put the cat up on a table...

tBONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kerry,There are different kinds of fluid bags, I know because I go to two different vets and get fluids from both (one is the vet school because I see a specialist there).I suggest calling your vet's office and talk to a tech. On Fu's bag, which I can see from here, there is a sort of rubber stopper at the bottom through which I inject air; other bags have a little spout like projections covered with rubber through which you can put a needle. Your vet techs can also tell you how to deal with fluids bags where the sides stick together and make it difficult to see how much you've given. I've been doing fluids for several cats for years - sometime if I can't see the fluid line, I'll just judge by how fast the fluid is going in and then I'll decide whether to do two or three minutes. I try this before I inject air into the bag.As
 for the old Ringer bags you mentioned in your other post, remember to check the expiration date. And after a bag has been opened, you only want to use it for no more than 10-14 days.Best wishes to you and Pookie,Bonniewww.elephants.com- Original Message -From: Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2005 0:25 amSubject: Re: help needed--problem with subQTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Thanks Bonnie---which bit is the medicine port--is it the hole at  the bottom of the bag (once the bag's unsealed) that you put the "hose" in?  Do i take the hose back out to put the air in--won't the fluid pour out  then? Oh dear! Kerry - Original Message - From: "BONNIE J KALMBACH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:  Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:14 AM Subject: Re: help
 needed--problem with subQKerry,  This is what the vet techs who work for my vet do. They get a  clean syringe and put a needle on the end. Then they inject air  into the bag  via the medicine port.  As a nurse on the CRF list objected to this, thinking of  humans no  doubt, I asked the vet school pharmacist who she said it was OK  as the  fluids were just going under the skin. But I would just inject one  syringe full of air into the bag if thats enough to help you see the  water line. If you have to do it a second time, I'd use a new  needle. If the syringe has been used before, I'd wash it  thoroughly and rinse  with very hot water.   Does this help?   Bonnie in WI   www.elephants.com   - Original
 Message -  From: Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Date: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:48 pm  Subject: help needed--problem with subQHi all   I've just started a new bag to give Pookie his fluids--and I can't   tell on   this bag where the discernible water level is! I actually let some   go down   the sink in an effort to find the level and that didn't work. I've   neverstarted a new bag before (I'm still fumbling my way around   subQs) and I   can't believe this is happening. Luckily Pookie seems ok, but i   need to   figure out fast what to do. Has anyone come across this--any idea   how to   fix?! Kerry 
 

RE: Pregnant Rescue Work

[Lora]

Kerry,

I understand all too well about being at work and not
having the time to read and/or reply to posts.

I am a homemaker, a military wife and soon to be a
stay-at-home-mom and I barely have the luxury of being
on-line! So I COMPLETELY understand how busy life can
get... or in my case busIER life can get! LOL.

Is Levi still with you? If so, I hope he is doing
well!

Thank you for your well-wishes and congrats on the
baby, but more importantly thank you for recognizing
the amount of time, money, effort and at times hassles
that comes along with ANY rescue work. It is truly a
labor of love. There are as much joys as there are
tears. Much appreciated! Take care.

Lora

--- MacKenzie, Kerry N.
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Lora,

I'm hardly reading/posting right now due to work
pressure BUT wanted to say congrats to you and your
husband on the about-to-be addition to your family!!
And wish you  your existing family much harmony when
human baby arrives!

PLUS a heartfelt thank you to you (along with all the
other amazing people on this list who do the same) for
all the huge amount of time, effort and $$ you devote
to homeless and sick animals. What you do is
truly wonderful.

Kerry




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Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[Lora]

Del,

Thank you for your kind words and I hope that Noah
gets to feeling better.

We thought that Dartagnan had Stomatitis for the
longest of time. Fortunately, the veterinarian
concluded that he did not.

He just had severe Feline Gingivitis which was
maintained via extracting his four (4) back molars.
Two on top (one left and one right) and two on the
bottom (one left and one right.)

Lora



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Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[jenmeyer]

Oh, bless your heart for remembering our Chooch (Charlie)!  Sadly, 
he passed away, but darn it if he didn't put up a good fight!  :)  I 
still have his little diapers tucked away in a drawer!  :)

Two of Charlie's brothers are still going strong...so, in a sort-of 
physical sense, Chooch is still with us!  Actually, just the other day 
Sleepypants gave me a look that reminded me so much of Charlie I 
couldn't help but smile!

Thank you so much for your email...that really made my day!  :)

Jen


But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be 
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --
Chief Dan George

- Original Message -
From: Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2005 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: Pregnant  Rescue Work

 Jen,
 
 It is good to hear from you again. How is Charlie? Is
 he still with you? There is just something endearing
 about a puss in diapers right? lol.
 
 Thanks for the congrats!
 
 True. Remaining calm, cool and collected through the
 entire transition will help the kids to relax as well.
 An excellent point, since cats are so sensitive to
 their humans' moods ans emotions!
 
 We are enjoying EVERY minute of it! Change can be good
 right? LOL. Well, at least for some people. The
 problem is, am I one of those people?! ;)
 
 Lora  
 
 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Nothing to add, just congratulations on the
 pending babe! :)
 
 I'm sure everything will work out just fine. Just stay
 relaxed, let everyone know they're loved (I've no
 shame...I will resort to tuna as bribery for
 their love! ;)) LOL!
 
 Most of all, enjoy every moment with your family!
 
 Jen
 
 
 But if you tame me, then we shall need each other.
 To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I
 shall be unique in all the world; You become
 responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --
 
 ---Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
 
 If you talk to the animals they will talk with you
 and you will know each other. If you do not talk to
 them you will not know them, and what you do not know
 you will fear. What one fears one destroys.
 
 --Chief Dan George
 
 
   
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Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[Lora]

Jenn,

I have seen you around especially on the Angel Wings
Sanctuary thread back in June, but I believe this is
the first time we have actually spoke.

I agree wholeheartedly on human parents becoming
paranoid about their pets when there is a human baby
involved. Thankfully, I am NOT one of them.

I am sorry, but I never could relate to people like
that. My fur-kids are just that...kids and they are
equally a member of our family the way ANY human child
would be.

Unfortunately, there are those few incompetent and
uneducated irresponsible pet-guardians who end up
choosing their human child over their fur-kids and
relinquishing their pets into the custody of the
local animal control or humane society. Sad. Just
plain sad.

Yep, I have heard from just about everyone now on the
DO's and DON'Ts when it comes to infants and sleeping.
LOL. That is alright though. Comes with the territory
right? Everyone is just trying to help.

Speaking of No-Baby Zones, that reminds me. I need
to purchase some Baby Gates to close off the litter
boxes. (The fur-kids can easily scale over the tops of
them) but it will definitely keep the child out.

Yes, my rescue work has slowed down for obvious
reasons. I can barely walk anymore! LOL. It takes me
FOREVER to get anything done, but it all DOES get
done.

Therefore, I have temporarily discontinued my TAR for
the time being. Since I am the sole individual who
runs the process (I do not receive any physical
assistance) and with the ferals WAY too quick for me
at this point in time; I figured what is the use?

LOL. That is okay. My condition is only temporary and
those ferals have their days numbered! Eventually,
they will ALL be altered. Thank God I was not too far
into my pregnancy during kitten season! I was still
able to half-ass properly function! LOL!

All of my kitties have been tested for Toxo. It is one
(1) of the tests that is automatically ran with the
Chemistry Feline Health Panel (a blood-work panel that
consists of seven (7) separate tests.) I have that and
an IFA ran on ALL of my kids annually.

Only two (2) of my kids are positive for toxo. My
oldest two, Felix age 6 years (male) and Temper age 9
years (female.)

Despite the possible risks involved, I have decided
NOT to break up our happy home via relocating my Felix
and Temper.

According to many Humane Societies and Animal Control
standards, these two (2) are are WAY beyond their
Generic years and would be (without a doubt)
euthanized on the spot.

Therefore, no. My kids are mine and they will forever
stay with me...at any cost. Beside an Animo was
performed and the test results were normal. Me and the
baby are negative for Toxo. So, I am definitely NOT
worried.

To the best of my knowledge there is neither a
treatment nor a cure for Feline Toxoplasmosis.

Lora


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When I was pregnant, one of my cats used to sleep on
my big belly and in the baby cradle. After my baby was
born, my cat carefully would sleep curled up beside
her in the cradle. I never once had any issues between
any of my cats and the baby, they all got along
wonderfully.

I think most people are scared the cats will hurt the
baby, so they stress out, and shoo the cats away from
the baby, because the HUMAN parents are paranoid.

I did nothing and everything went great. The cats
loved the baby and the baby didn't care one way or
another about the cat sharing her bed.

Babies should be laid on their sides bolstered between
two rolled up towels to sleep. In this position, it is
impossible for them to choke on their own spit up OR
for a cat to lay on their face
enough to hinder their breathing.

As babies mature, they begin to pull fur on the cat
if the cat tries to curl up too close. Cats learn
to avoid the baby on their own, no human
discouragement is required. It's really amazing what
nature works out on it's own if you just leave it to
be, and let it run it's own course.

Litter pans do need to be put in a non-baby accessible
place one baby begins to crawl or walk
(obviously).

As far as rescue work goes, I would avoid doing
anything that would lead to you being bitten by an
unknown animal, as I doubt they would be able to do
the rabies treatment on a pregnant woman without
harming the fetus.

You should also have all the cats (and other animals)
you care for tested for Toxoplasmosis and parasites,
and if they have any of those things, have them
treated so that handling them and their litter, bowls,
and bodies is not endangering your pregnancy.

Jenn
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Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[catatonya]

Congratulations from me as well!

My sister went through her first pregnancy at 41 a little over a year ago. lol. They had 3 cats and 3 dogs at the time. (Well they still do!)

She had her husband clean the litters, but other than that there have been no real issues. I hope it is the same for you.

Her 'trouble boy' cat did scratch the baby bed as soon as we got it put up! (But we hid it from her husband. lol) They did decide to keep the baby's room closed off from the cats at the beginning. If my sister or her husband were in the nursery they allowed them in, but at night they closed off the baby's room just to keep the cats from getting cat hair all in the baby's bed and unintentionally scratching him.

The cats and dogs mostly ignored the baby until he was old enough to start crawling around a bit. He just loves them all to death now and will chase them. Everyone runs away from him except one dog who is Tyler's buddy.

Overall it went much better than they feared. He's had a few minor, accidental scratches, but nothing bad. He has more accidents involving toys and sofas and coffee tables etc... than he does with the animals. One of the cats (the 'bad' boy, Ottis) will allow Tyler to pet him until he gets too rough and will go to him, etc... The other two cats ignored him completely for the most part when he was by himself, but would come sit with him when he was being held by my sister, etc...

One of their neighbors talked about having a cat with her baby that always slept with him, but with 13 cats you probably don't want that!

Before Tyler was walking he was just enthralled with the cats. Maybe because they didn't pay him much attention. If one walked by he would just laugh and get so excited, especially if one would let him touchhim or her. His favorite book is that "Jingle Cats".

I think the worse thing is we are all worried that Tyler thinks he is a dog! He started getting into the food and water dishes as soon as he could scoot around on the floor. And as an only child his best friend is a basset mix (Barney) who he shares all his cookies and food with and constantly plays with. Barney is one of those dogs that lets Tyler sit on him, pull his tail, anything for food. lol.When Tyler learned to give kisses he mostly kissed Barney (much to my mother's dismay!) My sister started putting Tyler in a playpen when she gave him zwieback cookies or other snacks so Barney wouldn't get them, but Tyler would just push them through the loops and give them to Barney! Tyler frequently plays 'like a dog' and chases toys, etc.. because that's how he plays with Barney. He gives all his toys to Barney who promptly chews them up. When I talk tomy sisteron the phone all I can hear is "Tyler, no, Barney, no! Get out of the
 kitchen Tyler and Barney!" Barney was a stray my sister and brother in law took in. The other two dogs are jealous of Tyler, but mostly ignore him.

I really think children brought up with pets are happier children. My sister spends a lot of time trainingTyler not to pull tails, etc... and as he gets older he's starting to understand it and the rest of the animals are warming up to him more. I'm determined for my nephew to be a vet, so we are starting training early!

Good luck!
Tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nothing to add, just "congratulations" on the pending bebe! :) I'msure everything will work out just fine, just stay relaxed, let everyoneknow they're loved (I've no shame...I will resort to tuna as bribery fortheir love... ;) )... LOL! Most of all, enjoy every moment with yourfamily!Jen"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge- Original Message -From:
 Lora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2005 0:19 amSubject: Pregnant  Rescue Work I have a question. Well, it is more of looking for some personal advice on an issue.  I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3) years now, but ever since the "Massive Spraying" issue back in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses from my posts. It is almost as if me and the group have had a falling out.  Before I get started and for clarification purposes, this post is NOT what you may think that it is. No flames please!  For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who is happily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten (10) in which are strictly indoors cats only. Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative.  The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we have adopted. Our house is a
 multi-animal home. Me and my husband have two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallon freshwater 

Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[catatonya]

One other thing Lora.. you should if at all possible get some help. My sister couldn't keep up with everything for the baby's first year. She lives out of state, so the family's not close enough to help her like we would if she lived here. Taking care of a baby is a full time job, and you already have a full time job with that many animals. If you can afford some help with cleaning or pet care you should get it and not feel guilty about it!
tLora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a question. Well, it is more of looking forsome personal advice on an issue.I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3)years now, but ever since the "Massive Spraying" issueback in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses frommy posts. It is almost as if me and the group have hada falling out.Before I get started and for clarification purposes,this post is NOT what you may think that it is. Noflames please!For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who ishappily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten(10) in which are strictly indoors cats only.Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative.The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we haveadopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me and myhusband have two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallonfreshwater tank, a horse and twenty-five
 (25) sugargliders. (We do sugar glider rescue work as well asfeline rescue work.)ALL of my kids have been rescues via straight off ofthe street, animal control or human societies. I DONOT BREED. All of my fur-kids have been spayed and/orneutered (including the exotics) at four (4) months ofage. We live on six (6) acres of country land.Okay, with all of the "red-tape" out of the way. Thereason for this post is because this particular"topic" has come up often in the past and I need somehonest and straightforward advice.Me and my husband are expecting with our first child.I am currently six (6) months pregnant and sacrificingany of the fur-kids for our human child is completelyOUT OF THE QUESTION. We are NOT going to lose ANYmember of our family due to this pregnancy.However, me and my husband are completely aware thatthe baby will inevitably change the balance of ourhome's environment and/or
 atmosphere.Therefore, we are in need of ideas to help the kidsthrough a smooth and safe transition i.e. playing atape/CD that has baby cries on it so that the fur-kidscan become accustomed to the sound, allowing the kidsaccess to the baby's room so that they become familiarwith the baby's "smell", etc.Spraying, inappropriate elimination, territorialaggression, jealousy, rejection and avoidance arenormal responses to ANY new arrival and/or addition;therefore, me and my husband expect and accept thesetypes of behavioral outbursts.I just did not know if anyone here on the list hasever continued their rescue work while pregnant. Ifso, how did the transition workout for you? Did yourfur-kids eventually come around to "accepting" the newbaby or do they just call a truce?Again, this post is not intended to instigate ANY kindof argument! Just looking for some helpful and honestadvice from those of
 you who have experience in thisdepartment. Thanks!Lora__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: Pregnant Rescue Work

[Lora]

Tonya,

It has been awhile. Good to hear from you!

I SO appreciated your emails! They made me laugh and
laugh! The story you shared about your sister and baby
Tyler is EXACTLY the same picture I see when I
visualize my little girl growing up in our home!

It is so amazing that you mention Tyler's and Barney's
antics, because my younger sister had her first child
back on February 25, 2003 (a little boy they named
Jacob) and he absolutely LOVE animals! Every time they
came over he would sit and squill at my kitties with a
huge goofy grin on his face.

When he turned two (2) and was walking, he would try
and chase the kitties, tripping all the way! LOL. But
he never cared. He is truly a happy child.

My kids (kitties) on the other hand did not care for
Jacob at all. There was NEVER any fussing, fighting or
territorial aggression physically displayed with my
kids towards baby Jacob.

As you (and several others) have mentioned, my kids
would either sit out of child's reach and just stare
at him or avoided Jacob completely. It was obvious
that baby Jacob was more tickled with them than they
were about him! LOL.

The idea that Tyler thinks he is a dog just cracked me
up! I can SO relate! With so many animals in our
home I can see where my little girl can become
confused with her identity! LOL.

All of her newborn clothes (so far) are done in pink
kitties! My husband teases me that I may get away with
dressing her up in kitty themed clothes for the
first couple of years, but eventually she will want to
dress herself and he is laying bets that she will
choose to NOT be dressed as a cat! LOL.

Her nursery is in all kitties too. Not the typical
Hello Kitty or Disney Marie kitties either. They
are overrated.

Instead I had to literally piece together her
accessories throughout my entire pregnancy as pink
bunnies lambs and bears tend to be the standard
norm.

Unfortunately, not a lot of companies make kitty
anything for babies and when they do it is basically
for a test run to see if the item sell well.
Therefore, not a lot duplicates of that particular
item are manufactured. It is difficult, but fun.

So anyway, I can see the possibility of my little
thinking that she is a cat, having a best friend who
is a cat or adopting one of the kitties as a security
blanket! LOL.

I can see her doing all the stuff that baby Tyler does
for and to Barney! Pulling on the cat's tail and the
cat patiently putting up with it, kissing the cat(s),
feeding the cat(s) human baby food through the playpen
or deliberately dropping it onto the floor from the
highchair, playing like a cat and of course she will
probably prefer the cat's toys over her own!

I can even see the cats willing giving up their toys
so that they can have hers in exchange! LOL! Which of
course they will most likely destroy on impact!

I can even see myself (or my husband) yelling the
child's name, no and the cat's name, no as they
conspire against me in some crazy antic that they KNOW
is wrong.

Like tipping over the kitchen trash-can together, the
child letting the cat outside because the cat knows
she will let him, or the cat deliberately dragging
the very item to the child that I said she could NOT
have! LOL.

But yes I have to completely, without a doubt, agree
that children raised with or around animals are
happier babies they grow into even happier children.

Children raised around animals learn at an early age
not to abuse them, they eventually learn to love (or
at the very least accept) animals and having fur-kids
interacting with human kids helps aid the child's
hand-eye movement and motor skills.

Personally, I think kids who are raised around animals
are smarter and develop faster then children who are
not.

Although there is not a veterinarian currently within
our family, we also have hopes for our daughter
choosing a career path in veterinary medicine.

I have ALWAYS wanted to be a veterinarian, but when I
got involved in rescue work, I just did not have the
time and energy for both. Eventually, I had to chose. 

Since I could save lived now in the present, that is
the choice I made. I may not be a practicing State
Board licensed veterinarian, but I have enough
knowledge and experience to help assist the
veterinarians that I DO know and have been blessed
with veterinarians who are willing to work with me. I
want my daughter to pick up where I left off.

Thank you SO much for sharing!

Lora



--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Congratulations from me as well!

My sister went through her first pregnancy at 41 a
little over a year ago. lol. They had 3 cats and 3
dogs at the time. (Well they still do!)

She had her husband clean the litters, but other
than that there have been no real issues. I hope it is
the same for you.

Her 'trouble boy' cat did scratch the baby bed as
soon as we got it put up! (But we hid it from her
husband.) lol.

They did decide to keep the baby's room closed off
from the cats at the beginning. If my sister or her
husband were 

was intro now is health issues

[Dudes]

I sure hope you all don't get tired of my 
newbie questions.If anyone wouldrather email me to discuss off list, 
I would welcomeit, at least point me in the right direction so I can read 
up on them to help educate myself. I feel like there is much to know, and 
I am a sponge. So (deep breathe) here I go

My questionsare about my little guy 
Cotton, the+ orange kitten who's about 8 months old. 

1. I was telling Jen off 
listthat he has some really awful smellinglitterbox deposits, which 
aremuch like diarrhea. When we go to the NEW vet, we will check him 
for parasites, and anything elsethat mightcause this, like a 
bacteria. Jen clued me in to a few other things that might be causing 
this, and what might help. I will definitely mention these things 
to the vet as well. Right now we are just adding yogurt to his canned 
food, which seems to be helping. 

2.I'd love to talk to someone who has time to go into 
detail about a really good diet for Cotton, because I believeCotton may 
have some deficiencies. But how does one determine that? He seems to eat 
strange things, and he steals people food. He could go trick-or-treating 
disguised as a Hoover vacuum cleaner, because he'sthat 
indiscriminate. And he constantly begs for food.He never seems 
to ever get enough. I partly suspect it's because when my stepdaughter had 
him, she didn't feed him enough or consistently, and I'mwondering if it 
could just be bad manners which could otherwise be lovingly corrected. But 
I don't want to miss anything.

3. Cottonhasdragon breath. I don't 
remember any of my cats' mouths smelling the way his does, especially as 
kittens. When mine were little, they almost had no mouth 
odor.Young Mr. Cotton will open his mouth to say something, and what 
comes wafting outsmells likeold cat food, and his little gums 
lookrather red around the teeth when he opens his mouth really big. 
And his teeth seem really small, but maybe because HE is small. Or maybe 
I'm used to looking at bigger teeth in bigger mouths. I'm guessing that he 
must have some gingivitis going on, and probably as a result of his FeLV. 
Not sure what to do about that.

4. Bloodwork.I may have to 
deal with a few things at a time in order to get him feeling better, so want to 
determine what'smostimportant things toget the most out of our 
vet visits.I definitely know that he needs bloodwork, so while they 
are drawing, heprobably needs aCBCto begin with, to determine 
if he's anemic or has infection, that sort of thing. I have never seen a 
cat pant, but when he is tired (of jumping and playing), he does. 
Andit could just be me worrying about him, butsometimes it seems 
likehe is laying down a little sooner while 
playing.

5. Anything else I could be missing that 
I should be watching for?

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