RE: Evander Please add him to the CLS
I'm so sorry, Sherry. Gentle journey to Evander. Diane R. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaanSent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:51 PMTo: FelvtalkSubject: Evander Please add him to the CLS I am so sad to say that we lost our sweet Evander today.He was a very unique boy. :( Thank you for your prayers. Sherry Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: OT: Help - situation I have gotten myself into
I found myself in a similar situation when I found out I had an felv cat. My group automatically euthanized positives. Well, they let this positive slip through and in with my own cats and fosters. I adopted all the cats. (I talked them down to a low, low fee. Now they were legally mine and I was able to adopt out some of the cats. I kept about 11 I think and have just kept them through the years. Luckily, no one ever became positive from the positive cat any way. But if I had turned the 'exposed' cats over they would have been euthanized.Now I just do my own rescue and don't deal with groups. If I have too many cats and can't handle more I send to the shelter or try to find a home. If I can't afford more vet bills. same thing. I do what I can on my own terms.tKelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think so too, but that would hurt a lot of cats. It isn't like it is just a business I would be suing. If it was - I would be suing them already. On 10/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty clear to me. If that is the entire contract then they are saying you are only responsible for the food and litter, they clearly state they are responsible for "any" medical care provided you are getting preapproval. There is no caveat about waiting for adoption or that they will only reimburse up to adoption expenses. If this is really the entire contract then they have, in my opinion, acted in bad faith and I would think that in a court you could win reimbursement if you were to take it that far. -- Original message -- From: "Kelley Saveika" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think they want to take them off my hands. Most of the ones I have are either domestics (they are a Siamese rescue) or cats with chronic health problems that are not going to be easy to adopt out. I have an IBD kitty (black DSH) with recurring stomatitis issues. She's probably got some other issues also because she is just not a well cat. I'm going to take her back to the vet tomorrow because she is clearly immune compromised (she's COVERED in ringworm, when none of my other guys have it.) She is emaciated despite having had 8 teeth pulled to fix the stomatitis and taking daily flagyl. I have no idea what else could be wrong with her. When she got spayed they said she had cysts on both ovaries. She's neg for both felv and fiv. Of course she has been wormed and all the routine stuff. She's lethargic and seems to take no joy in being alive - I don't know if she is in pain, or ill, or what. I feel really bad because she looks horrible. Like she's not being taken care of at all. But I do the best I can. Then I have another cat with a congenital spine deformity. She's on monthly pain meds and will eventually need to move to steroids and possibly have surgery.I'm not going to say "no one will ever adopt these cats" because I believe that all cats are adoptable. But it will take much longer for them to be adopted than those with no health issues.I'm sending in the bill for the fecal, exam and Panacur from yesterday ($79.27), but I think they are going to say that that is routine and not reimbursable until she's adopted. Plus that is over the amount of the adoption fee, so if I get reimbursed for that I won't get reimbursed for the amoxy she was on to clear her URI, her routine immunizations, spay, etc. I have an adoption system in place since I am opening my own rescue, and am working on getting a petfinder listing. However, their agreement with the local shelter stipulates that they will not release any cats to any organizations that aren't "approved placement partners" and my group is not, and won't be until after we have gotten our letter of determination from the IRS and undergone a 6 month mentoring relationship with an approved placement partner. Oh, here is the verbiage from the foster agreement: The foster parent shall be responsible for the food and litter provided to the cat during its stay with the foster parent. Any medical attention required by the cat shall be pre-approved byxxx and shall then be funded byxxx, except in an emergency. If emergency medical intervention should be required, the foster parent will contactxxx at the first moment possible to obtain approval for emergency medical treatments.On 10/31/06, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To some extent it depends on how the foster agreement is worded. Will they take some of these cats off your hands and place in other foster homes? What are they doing to get them adopted? Do they guilt trip you when you ask them to take some of them off your hands? If they won't help lift some of the burden off you, I would write them a very precise letter, askinig that they move some of the cats into foster or adoptive homes by a certain date, and informing them that, if they don't, you will adopt those cats out yourself and apply the adoption fees
Re: Izzie threw off FELV!
Maybe Lucy might test negative too though,. .. That would be a good news.I had a test that tested positive and then negative months later. He's never tested positive again, and he's over 10 years old.tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maggie,I hesitate to throw a damper on the celebrations, but just in case you're not aware... Sometimes kitties test negative because the virus is sequestered in the bone marrow. The only reason I mention this is to make sure that you continue to treat Izzie with the utmost care. The best food you can give her, an aggressive approach to any symptoms of illness, as little stress as possible, etc. My Timothy Arthur Bumble was one of two from a litter of 6 bottle babies that has remained asymptomatic after a little more than 3 years. 4 of the kittens passed before their second birthday, Tim tested neg, and the other surviving kitten was never tested, (his adopted parents didn't want to test). I have never had Tim re-tested, I think of him as neg and treat him as though he's pos. I'm thrilled to hear that Izzie has tested neg, it's very good news indeed.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It's been awhile since I've been here but I wanted to share my good news and perhaps give the group a little more data for the collective FELV knowledge base you've got going here. To start at the end, Saturday my girls were retested and while Lucy is still positive, Izzie has thrown it and is now negative! Yippee Izzie!
Re: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....
It's best for them to come to your house. My guy came for a small fee (dinner money). lol.wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Karen,Thanks! I would love that. Do you think she willwant to come look at her interact with our dogs, or doyou think she will want us to bring her to Lewisville?I am in Rockwall.Thanks!Wendy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, Your in Texas? where at I can recommend some reliable person in lewisville who can temperament test her for you. I am not sure what she charges but she gave me a great deal of very frank advice when I had my pit. She will not sugar coat anything let me know. Karen Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com)
Re: OT: Help - situation I have gotten myself into
I started my own rescue so I can make my own rules. We are NOT going to euthanize FELV+ cats and we are also not going to spay cats that are almost at term. I'm not sure why it is seen as better to operate on the mom, take the kittens out and euthanize them than it is to just euthanize them after they come out. Anyone who doesn't like this is more than welcome not to foster for us or be involved with us. I should have known when I found a stray outside that was about to pop with kittens and they told me I had to get her spayed that I was not going to do well with this group. I have adopted one more kitten out since I wrote this, thank goodness. On 11/11/06, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found myself in a similar situation when I found out I had an felv cat. My group automatically euthanized positives. Well, they let this positive slip through and in with my own cats and fosters. I adopted all the cats. (I talked them down to a low, low fee. Now they were legally mine and I was able to adopt out some of the cats. I kept about 11 I think and have just kept them through the years. Luckily, no one ever became positive from the positive cat any way. But if I had turned the 'exposed' cats over they would have been euthanized. Now I just do my own rescue and don't deal with groups. If I have too many cats and can't handle more I send to the shelter or try to find a home. If I can't afford more vet bills. same thing. I do what I can on my own terms. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think so too, but that would hurt a lot of cats. It isn't like it is just a business I would be suing. If it was - I would be suing them already. On 10/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty clear to me. If that is the entire contract then they are saying you are only responsible for the food and litter, they clearly state they are responsible for any medical care provided you are getting preapproval. There is no caveat about waiting for adoption or that they will only reimburse up to adoption expenses. If this is really the entire contract then they have, in my opinion, acted in bad faith and I would think that in a court you could win reimbursement if you were to take it that far. -- Original message -- From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think they want to take them off my hands. Most of the ones I have are either domestics (they are a Siamese rescue) or cats with chronic health problems that are not going to be easy to adopt out. I have an IBD kitty (black DSH) with recurring stomatitis issues. She's probably got some other issues also because she is just not a well cat. I'm going to take her back to the vet tomorrow because she is clearly immune compromised (she's COVERED in ringworm, when none of my other guys have it.) She is emaciated despite having had 8 teeth pulled to fix the stomatitis and taking daily flagyl. I have no idea what else could be wrong with her. When she got spayed they said she had cysts on both ovaries. She's neg for both felv and fiv. Of course she has been wormed and all the routine stuff. She's lethargic and seems to take no joy in being alive - I don't know if she is in pain, or ill, or what. I feel really bad because she looks horrible. Like she's not being taken care of at all. But I do the best I can. Then I have another cat with a congenital spine deformity. She's on monthly pain meds and will eventually need to move to steroids and possibly have surgery. I'm not going to say no one will ever adopt these cats because I believe that all cats are adoptable. But it will take much longer for them to be adopted than those with no health issues. I'm sending in the bill for the fecal, exam and Panacur from yesterday ($79.27), but I think they are going to say that that is routine and not reimbursable until she's adopted. Plus that is over the amount of the adoption fee, so if I get reimbursed for that I won't get reimbursed for the amoxy she was on to clear her URI, her routine immunizations, spay, etc. I have an adoption system in place since I am opening my own rescue, and am working on getting a petfinder listing. However, their agreement with the local shelter stipulates that they will not release any cats to any organizations that aren't approved placement partners and my group is not, and won't be until after we have gotten our letter of determination from the IRS and undergone a 6 month mentoring relationship with an approved placement partner. Oh, here is the verbiage from the foster agreement: The foster parent shall be responsible for the food and litter provided to the cat during its stay with the foster parent. Any medical attention required by the cat shall be pre-approved byxxx and shall then be funded byxxx, except in an emergency. If emergency medical intervention should be required, the foster parent will contactxxx at the first moment
Re: Evander Please add him to the CLS
I'm so sorry, Sherry. On 11/10/06, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so sad to say that we lost our sweet Evander today.He was a very unique boy. :( Thank you for your prayers. Sherry Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Prayers needed for Inky
Hi everyone, I have been out of touch this last week as Inky has been sick...He is my boy that is 20yrs 3 months and isn't felv+. Anyway, we were fighting the IBD last weekend. I thought he was getting better, but then he just wouldn't eat..And he never goes off his good entirely so I took him in this last Tues..the blood work showed again that his kidney values were elevated..BUN and creatinine were way up..so he has been on IV fluids since Wed. 8am til 5pm then I go get him and bring him home for the night...Today will be the last day and we will re-check his blood work..Last time he stayed in the hospital for 10 days and on IV's for about 5 of it...So this time since he doesn't tolerate sub-q's well, this would be faster and easier on him..He likes to ride so that is a good thing..I think he had a little of both IBD and kidney flare up which both made him throw up and loose stool..He is back on his chicken and broth, eating well...and talking to me so I always know that is a good sign...He is really sick when he doesn't talk at all..It is really hard since he has to be on a kidney diet and IBD diet as I have to try to balance all this to keep both in check..What seems to be ok for one isn't for the other so I have really had to research his options so to try to keep them both ok..Any thoughts on any of this is appreciated!!! Please keep him in your prayers...also Bandy is a little under the weather lately..he isn't eating as good as I would like, but no fever. Not quite sure what is up with him just keeping a good eye on him... Thanks everyone, Head butts to all your kitties, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
our little Scooter
I'm sad to say that Scooter will probably not make it. The vet thinks he likely has lymphoma, as x-rays show his kidneys to be enlarged and misshapen, and his white cell count dropped from normal to 2000 in less than a week. His blood, when viewed thought the microscope, has lots of lymphocites. He didn't look good yesterday. I'm saying prayers and sending healing energy to all the sick kitties out there, and to all you caregivers. This is so hard - I don't know how you all keep doing this. Bless you.
Re: our little Scooter
At 04:38 AM 11/11/2006, you wrote: All my very warm thoughts for you and Scooter on this sad day, We are all there fighting with you and caring. If he needs to free his spirit from a sown out body that is no longer serving him, may it be a peaceful gentle journey across the bridge to the sunshine Kelly I'm sad to say that Scooter will probably not make it. The vet thinks he likely has lymphoma, as x-rays show his kidneys to be enlarged and misshapen, and his white cell count dropped from normal to 2000 in less than a week. His blood, when viewed thought the microscope, has lots of lymphocites. He didn't look good yesterday. I'm saying prayers and sending healing energy to all the sick kitties out there, and to all you caregivers. This is so hard - I don't know how you all keep doing this. Bless you. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006
Re: Lucy very sick again
Thanks, Kerry. Lucy does seem a lot better, knock on wood, from the Immuno-regulin. Eating up a storm, in fact. Knock on wood again. So sorry to hear Inky had a backslide, but glad he is on the mend. What is polyflex? Michelle In a message dated 11/11/2006 8:18:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle, I have been out of touch for a week or so again as Inky has been very sick,too..I posted what has happened with him. His kidneys are failing and with the IBD flare up, it has been a mess for him. He is doing better now, but will just have to keep his fluids and diet in check for both.. Anyway, I do hope Lucy is feeling better today and that it is just a little of the URI hanging on causing her a problem.. Did she get some polyflex? My vet always gives that injection for infections right away...Inky has also taken 100mg amoxicillin daily without a problem. 1/2 twice a day..I agree that the injections work better (faster)and they seem to tolerate that better, too.. You will continue to be in our prayers. Kerry, Bandy and Inky
Re: our little Scooter
If you are not going to do chemo, then please please get the vet to give him dexamethasone injections, or, even better, a combined shot of 1/2 ml dex and 1/2 ml depomedrol. These are very strong steroids that shrink lymphoma and make them feel a whole lot better. They can help cats with lymphoma live up to several months in comfort without chemo. A number of us on this list have seen these shots work well like this. The shots do not make them feel sick at all, only better, and are very cheap. Michelle In a message dated 11/11/2006 8:18:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sad to say that Scooter will probably not make it. The vet thinks he likely has lymphoma, as x-rays show his kidneys to be enlarged and misshapen, and his white cell count dropped from normal to 2000 in less than a week. His blood, when viewed thought the microscope, has lots of lymphocites. He didn't look good yesterday. I'm saying prayers and sending healing energy to all the sick kitties out there, and to all you caregivers. This is so hard - I don't know how you all keep doing this. Bless you.
Re: Prayers needed for Inky
Kerry, my vet talked to a GI specialist and told me that for IBD she uses a smaller dose of metronidazole, long-term. The dose is 5 mg/pound of body weight. Since Lucy is 8 pounds, it is 40 mg twice a day. This is too small and odd an amount to be able to break off the pills, so we got it compounded at a compounded pharmacy into little capsules. I started her on it yesterday. The idea is to give this twice a day for a month and then once a day for a month. Maybe this would help Inky with his IBD while dealing with hid kidneys? Michelle In a message dated 11/11/2006 7:24:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone, I have been out of touch this last week as Inky has been sick...He is my boy that is 20yrs 3 months and isn't felv+. Anyway, we were fighting the IBD last weekend. I thought he was getting better, but then he just wouldn't eat..And he never goes off his good entirely so I took him in this last Tues..the blood work showed again that his kidney values were elevated..BUN and creatinine were way up..so he has been on IV fluids since Wed. 8am til 5pm then I go get him and bring him home for the night...Today will be the last day and we will re-check his blood work..Last time he stayed in the hospital for 10 days and on IV's for about 5 of it...So this time since he doesn't tolerate sub-q's well, this would be faster and easier on him..He likes to ride so that is a good thing..I think he had a little of both IBD and kidney flare up which both made him throw up and loose stool..He is back on his chicken and broth, eating well...and talking to me so I always know that is a good sign...He is really sick when he doesn't talk at all..It is really hard since he has to be on a kidney diet and IBD diet as I have to try to balance all this to keep both in check..What seems to be ok for one isn't for the other so I have really had to research his options so to try to keep them both ok..Any thoughts on any of this is appreciated!!! Please keep him in your prayers...also Bandy is a little under the weather lately..he isn't eating as good as I would like, but no fever. Not quite sure what is up with him just keeping a good eye on him... Thanks everyone, Head butts to all your kitties, Kerry, Bandy and Inky
Re: Evander Please add him to the CLS
so, so sorry, Sherry. Michelle
Re: (no subject)
Tell her to contact the Attorney General's office in her state. They deal with consumer fraud issues. She can file a complaint with them, and then tell the homeopath she has done so and that she will take further action if she continues to harass her. If the homeopath does contact the credit agencies, your client has the right to send the credit agencies a letter explaining the facts and have it attached to her credit reports. Michelle In a message dated 11/11/2006 12:59:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The homeopath is question is now threatening to turn this client in to a collection agency!!!Kelly
Re: Prayers needed for Inky
GLOW for Inky and Bandy for strength and calm and for you for clear sight and calm thoughts headed your wayBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous- Original Message From: Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 6:21:59 AMSubject: Prayers needed for InkyHi everyone, I have been out of touch this last week as Inky has been sick...He is my boy that is 20yrs 3 months and isn't felv+. Anyway, we were fighting the IBD last weekend. I thought he was getting better, but then he just wouldn't eat..And he never goes off his good entirely so I took him in this last Tues..the blood work showed again that his kidney values were elevated..BUN and creatinine were way up..so he has been on IV fluids since Wed. 8am til 5pm then I go get him and bring him home for the night...Today will be the last day and we will re-check his blood work..Last time he stayed in the hospital for 10 days and on IV's for about 5 of it...So this time since he doesn't tolerate sub-q's well, this would be faster and easier on him..He likes to ride so that is a good thing..I think he had a little of both IBD and kidney flare up which both made him throw up and loose stool..He is back on his chicken and broth, eating well...and talking to me so I always know that is a good sign...He is really sick when he doesn't talk at all..It is really hard since he has to be on a kidney diet and IBD diet as I have to try to balance all this to keep both in check..What seems to be ok for one isn't for the other so I have really had to research his options so to try to keep them both ok..Any thoughts on any of this is appreciated!!! Please keep him in your prayers...also Bandy is a little under the weather lately..he isn't eating as good as I would like, but no fever. Not quite sure what is up with him just keeping a good eye on him... Thanks everyone, Head butts to all your kitties, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: our little Scooter
GLOW to you both - strength, calm, peace and clarityBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous- Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 6:38:19 AMSubject: our little ScooterI'm sad to say that Scooter will probably not make it.The vet thinks he likely has lymphoma, as x-rays show his kidneys to be enlarged and misshapen, and his white cell count dropped from normal to 2000 in less than a week.His blood, when viewed thought the microscope, has lots of lymphocites.He didn't look good yesterday.I'm saying prayers and sending healing energy to all the sick kitties out there, and to all you caregivers.This is so hard - I don't know how you all keep doing this.Bless you.
Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)
gee, barb, JUST what we need. more phenomenal sugar recipes! (i'd like the caramel one) listening to you two, i guess some of my back stuff isn't so bad, after all when i'm in bad shape, as long as i don't move--literally, because i can't, i'm basically okay sounds like just breathing was hard enough for you guys. (i always tell people newly experiencing back pain that you get used to the pain, and learn how to work around--after the first 15 years. of course, i'm lying when i say that...) MC-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)
hehehe, I'll get it from her (the caramel)- it's a microwave recipe no less and it's sooo goodthe fudge - 2 pounds of DIPPING chocolate and 1 pint softened ice cream - I recommend Godiva Belgian dark for the first go round - melt the chocolate - double boiler and add ice cream slowly - mix thoroughly. soo good - and unless you do it too fast, it's always smooth and perfectBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous- Original Message From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:48:09 AMSubject: Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)gee, barb, JUST what we need. more phenomenal sugar recipes! (i'd like the caramel one) listening to you two, i guess some of my back stuff isn't so bad, after all when i'm in bad shape, as long as i don't move--literally, because i can't, i'm basically okay sounds like just breathing was hard enough for you guys. (i always tell people newly experiencing back pain that you get used to the pain, and learn how to work around--after the first 15 years. of course, i'm lying when i say that...) MC-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Scamming Homeopath/psychopath
OMD, i was right, it IS the woman i was thinking about! she is NOTORIOUS for this kind of stuff i was warned about her probably 3 years ago by someone who'd been on her list--i even joined the list myself for awhile just to see. didn't stay long, as you've all noticed i do NOT have a lot of patience for people who clearly don't know their anal glands from their whiskers, andwho use scare tactics to mask their real motives... there's someone on another list who used to quote this woman extensively as an expert--a number of others on the list were quite vocal in disabusing the rest of the folks about those claims... i'm gonna check with a friend who's very involved with ETHICAL alternative practitioners--if even i know ofthis woman, she surely will--perhaps she knows of people who have successfullytakenlegal actions against her. MC-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT: Help - situation I have gotten myself into
I'm sorry. I thought you were fostering this cat through another organization and having to follow THEIR rules. tKelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I started my own rescue so I can make my own rules. We are NOT going to euthanize FELV+ cats and we are also not going to spay cats that are almost at term. I'm not sure why it is seen as better to operate on the mom, take the kittens out and euthanize them than it is to just euthanize them after they come out. Anyone who doesn't like this is more than welcome not to foster for us or be involved with us. I should have known when I found a stray outside that was about to pop with kittens and they told me I "had" to get her spayed that I was not going to do well with this group. I have adopted one more kitten out since I wrote this, thank goodness. On 11/11/06, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found myself in a similar situation when I found out I had an felv cat. My group automatically euthanized positives. Well, they let this positive slip through and in with my own cats and fosters. I adopted all the cats. (I talked them down to a low, low fee. Now they were legally mine and I was able to adopt out some of the cats. I kept about 11 I think and have just kept them through the years. Luckily, no one ever became positive from the positive cat any way. But if I had turned the 'exposed' cats over they would have been euthanized. Now I just do my own rescue and don't deal with groups. If I have too many cats and can't handle more I send to the shelter or try to find a home. If I can't afford more vet bills. same thing. I do what I can on my own terms. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think so too, but that would hurt a lot of cats. It isn't like it is just a business I would be suing. If it was - I would be suing them already. On 10/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty clear to me. If that is the entire contract then they are saying you are only responsible for the food and litter, they clearly state they are responsible for "any" medical care provided you are getting preapproval. There is no caveat about waiting for adoption or that they will only reimburse up to adoption expenses. If this is really the entire contract then they have, in my opinion, acted in bad faith and I would think that in a court you could win reimbursement if you were to take it that far. -- Original message -- From: "Kelley Saveika" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think they want to take them off my hands. Most of the ones I have are either domestics (they are a Siamese rescue) or cats with chronic health problems that are not going to be easy to adopt out. I have an IBD kitty (black DSH) with recurring stomatitis issues. She's probably got some other issues also because she is just not a well cat. I'm going to take her back to the vet tomorrow because she is clearly immune compromised (she's COVERED in ringworm, when none of my other guys have it.) She is emaciated despite having had 8 teeth pulled to fix the stomatitis and taking daily flagyl. I have no idea what else could be wrong with her. When she got spayed they said she had cysts on both ovaries. She's neg for both felv and fiv. Of course she has been wormed and all the routine stuff. She's lethargic and seems to take no joy in being alive - I don't know if she is in pain, or ill, or what. I feel really bad because she looks horrible. Like she's not being taken care of at all. But I do the best I can. Then I have another cat with a congenital spine deformity. She's on monthly pain meds and will eventually need to move to steroids and possibly have surgery.I'm not going to say "no one will ever adopt these cats" because I believe that all cats are adoptable. But it will take much longer for them to be adopted than those with no health issues.I'm sending in the bill for the fecal, exam and Panacur from yesterday ($79.27), but I think they are going to say that that is routine and not reimbursable until she's adopted. Plus that is over the amount of the adoption fee, so if I get reimbursed for that I won't get reimbursed for the amoxy she was on to clear her URI, her routine immunizations, spay, etc. I have an adoption system in place since I am opening my own rescue, and am working on getting a petfinder listing. However, their agreement with the local shelter stipulates that they will not release any cats to any organizations that aren't "approved placement partners" and my group is not, and won't be until after we have gotten our letter of determination from the IRS and undergone a 6 month mentoring relationship with an approved placement partner. Oh, here is the verbiage from the foster agreement: The foster parent shall be responsible for the food and litter provided to the cat during its stay with the foster parent. Any medical attention required by
Re: DNA testing for FIV, can differentiate from vaccinated or true positive! (and it's free)
yeah, i'm on mail for that list--i'm one of the moderators! sent it on as soon as i read it! On 11/11/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, MC, I did NOT pass that along to the FIVCATS2 list, I figured they already knew there... if you haven't seen it there (you stay on mail for that list, right?), please do pass it on to them. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.1/527 - Release Date: 11/9/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT: Help - situation I have gotten myself into
No, don't be sorry, I was confusing. I currently have 25 fosters for another organization (Princess went home last Sunday, yay for Princess!). Because of the bad experiences I have had with this organization, I chose to start my own rescue, which I am currently in the process of doing. I don't think I was clear, for some reason I expect everyone else to know what I am thinking and follow along - sorry:) On 11/11/06, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry. I thought you were fostering this cat through another organization and having to follow THEIR rules. tKelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started my own rescue so I can make my own rules. We are NOT going to euthanize FELV+ cats and we are also not going to spay cats that are almost at term. I'm not sure why it is seen as better to operate on the mom, take the kittens out and euthanize them than it is to just euthanize them after they come out. Anyone who doesn't like this is more than welcome not to foster for us or be involved with us. I should have known when I found a stray outside that was about to pop with kittens and they told me I had to get her spayed that I was not going to do well with this group. I have adopted one more kitten out since I wrote this, thank goodness. On 11/11/06, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found myself in a similar situation when I found out I had an felv cat. My group automatically euthanized positives. Well, they let this positive slip through and in with my own cats and fosters. I adopted all the cats. (I talked them down to a low, low fee. Now they were legally mine and I was able to adopt out some of the cats. I kept about 11 I think and have just kept them through the years. Luckily, no one ever became positive from the positive cat any way. But if I had turned the 'exposed' cats over they would have been euthanized. Now I just do my own rescue and don't deal with groups. If I have too many cats and can't handle more I send to the shelter or try to find a home. If I can't afford more vet bills. same thing. I do what I can on my own terms. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think so too, but that would hurt a lot of cats. It isn't like it is just a business I would be suing. If it was - I would be suing them already. On 10/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty clear to me. If that is the entire contract then they are saying you are only responsible for the food and litter, they clearly state they are responsible for any medical care provided you are getting preapproval. There is no caveat about waiting for adoption or that they will only reimburse up to adoption expenses. If this is really the entire contract then they have, in my opinion, acted in bad faith and I would think that in a court you could win reimbursement if you were to take it that far. -- Original message -- From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think they want to take them off my hands. Most of the ones I have are either domestics (they are a Siamese rescue) or cats with chronic health problems that are not going to be easy to adopt out. I have an IBD kitty (black DSH) with recurring stomatitis issues. She's probably got some other issues also because she is just not a well cat. I'm going to take her back to the vet tomorrow because she is clearly immune compromised (she's COVERED in ringworm, when none of my other guys have it.) She is emaciated despite having had 8 teeth pulled to fix the stomatitis and taking daily flagyl. I have no idea what else could be wrong with her. When she got spayed they said she had cysts on both ovaries. She's neg for both felv and fiv. Of course she has been wormed and all the routine stuff. She's lethargic and seems to take no joy in being alive - I don't know if she is in pain, or ill, or what. I feel really bad because she looks horrible. Like she's not being taken care of at all. But I do the best I can. Then I have another cat with a congenital spine deformity. She's on monthly pain meds and will eventually need to move to steroids and possibly have surgery. I'm not going to say no one will ever adopt these cats because I believe that all cats are adoptable. But it will take much longer for them to be adopted than those with no health issues. I'm sending in the bill for the fecal, exam and Panacur from yesterday ($79.27), but I think they are going to say that that is routine and not reimbursable until she's adopted. Plus that is over the amount of the adoption fee, so if I get reimbursed for that I won't get reimbursed for the amoxy she was on to clear her URI, her routine immunizations, spay, etc. I have an adoption system in place since I am opening my own rescue, and am working on getting a petfinder listing. However, their agreement with the local shelter stipulates that they will not release any cats to any organizations that aren't approved placement
Re: Prayers needed for Inky
Prayers for Bandy and Inky.Take care, Kerry. tKerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi everyone, I have been out of touch this last week as Inky has been sick...He is my boy that is 20yrs 3 months and isn't felv+. Anyway, we were fighting the IBD last weekend. I thought he was getting better, but then he just wouldn't eat..And he never goes off his good entirely so I took him in this last Tues..the blood work showed again that his kidney values were elevated..BUN and creatinine were way up..so he has been on IV fluids since Wed. 8am til 5pm then I go get him and bring him home for the night...Today will be the last day and we will re-check his blood work..Last time he stayed in the hospital for 10 days and on IV's for about 5 of it...So this time since he doesn't tolerate sub-q's well, this would be faster and easier on him..He likes to ride so that is a good thing..I think he had a little of both IBD and kidney flare up which both made him throw up and loose stool..He is back on his chicken and broth, eating well...and talking to me so I always know that is a good sign...He is really sick when he doesn't talk at all..It is really hard since he has to be on a kidney diet and IBD diet as I have to try to balance all this to keep both in check..What seems to be ok for one isn't for the other so I have really had to research his options so to try to keep them both ok..Any thoughts on any of this is appreciated!!! Please keep him in your prayers...also Bandy is a little under the weather lately..he isn't eating as good as I would like, but no fever. Not quite sure what is up with him just keeping a good eye on him... Thanks everyone, Head butts to all your kitties, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: Giardia
I think you need to just disinfect your hands well after handling the kittes. Also disenfect food and water bowls and don't let them mix with your own dishes. tKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelley,Altho I have not had to deal with it (knock wood),one of my co-workers and his girlfriend got it whilecamping - from infected water. Apparently somethinghad it and pooped in or near the water upstream, andthey had no idea this "pure" mountain stream was bad.Kat (Mew Jersey)On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Precious Pets, Almost Home wrote: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:14:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Precious Pets, Almost Home" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Giardia Dear Kelley: I am sorry to hear that you have such a major chore on your hands! I know how you feel because I have been in your shoes! Your vet is right in regards that you can catch it! That is if you are really careless about handling dirty litter boxes and scoopers. My vets are like yours when it comes to treatment for Giardia. If one cat has it, the whole group of cats have it! All three of my vets believe that you have to treat the whole group of cats. I find that a daily check list of names helps to keep track of who I medicated while doing a group for that day. Good luck and happy pilling! Precious Pets --- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Well, we've got giardia. My vet is giving me enough meds to treat all 30 cats. I haven't brought a new cat in since...May, I think. How could they get this without exposure to new cats? He says I can get it too, yay. -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com)
Re: Lucy very sick again
thanks Michelle, Polyflex is some sort of penicillin, I think. I just know my local vets and even if I go to the D/FW area, vets seem to give an injection of this for infection. It is long acting so can't be given daily, maybe every other day..They do this even before they put them on daily doses of baytril or some other antibiotic...They may have given some of mine in the past that had to be hospitalized for bad infections daily shots of it along with other meds.. I will tell my vet about the metronidazole...that seems to really help Inky and I think it is exactly what he needs..cause he has to keep eating and drinking alot to keep those kidneys flushed...I give him 1/4 of a 250mg pill once a day..so he gets 62.5. am I right there..?? I have given him 1/8 before, too...they are round so not so hard to cut. Inky had gained 1/4 pound, too..up to 5# 4 oz. That was a good thing since he is so thin..He has always been small, I guess around 71/2 to 8 in his younger days..The hyper-T doesn't help that, but his thyroid values were normal since he is on tapazole now.. Anyway, he is at the vets right now getting his last round of IV fluids and they will pull the catheter today around 5pm. He gets 20mls per hour this way and should be flushing those kidneys good...I sure hope...I am really afraid this is his fate now...he is really lucky to have good kidneys for this many years though...It always seems to be the fate of my older kitties..I have lost too many over the yrs to kidney failure...and I have learned to start my older ones on Hills k/d even before signs are there and it seems to have helped Inky.. Glad to hear Lucy is doing better... Thanks again, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
RE: Dukee has went to the Bridge... :(
Terri,My condolences as well. You have been through too much, and I was hoping Dukee would pull through this. tHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Terri, I am so sorry to hear about Dukee I know that you know that how we all know how much Dukee means to you.. please know that his soul has not left you and never will so, please dont be too lonely --- HideyoFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaanSent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:50 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Dukee has went to the Bridge... :( Terrie,I am so sorry to hear about your sweet guy.You and yours are in my thoughts and prayers.Hugs to you,Sherry,Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to let you all know Dukee passed away this morning. I'm trying so hard to type this to you it is hard with the tears flowing.I will go pick him up later and bury him next to Sam.Thank you all for your support, thoughts, and prayers for Dukee!Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/ Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: Evander Please add him to the CLS
Sherry, I am so very sorry. My prayers and my heart are with you. elizabeth In a message dated 11/11/2006 6:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am so sad to say that we lost our sweet Evander today.He was a very unique boy. :( Thank you for your prayers. Sherry
Re: our little Scooter
This is so hard. I am so sorry things don't look better. I'm saying prayers for you and Scooter. elizabeth In a message dated 11/11/2006 7:18:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sad to say that Scooter will probably not make it. The vet thinks he likely has lymphoma, as x-rays show his kidneys to be enlarged and misshapen, and his white cell count dropped from normal to 2000 in less than a week. His blood, when viewed thought the microscope, has lots of lymphocites. He didn't look good yesterday. I'm saying prayers and sending healing energy to all the sick kitties out there, and to all you caregivers. This is so hard - I don't know how you all keep doing this. Bless you.
Re: Prayers needed for Inky
Prayers and lovefor all of you - elizabeth In a message dated 11/11/2006 6:24:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone, I have been out of touch this last week as Inky has been sick...He is my boy that is 20yrs 3 months and isn't felv+. Anyway, we were fighting the IBD last weekend. I thought he was getting better, but then he just wouldn't eat..And he never goes off his good entirely so I took him in this last Tues..the blood work showed again that his kidney values were elevated..BUN and creatinine were way up..so he has been on IV fluids since Wed. 8am til 5pm then I go get him and bring him home for the night...Today will be the last day and we will re-check his blood work..Last time he stayed in the hospital for 10 days and on IV's for about 5 of it...So this time since he doesn't tolerate sub-q's well, this would be faster and easier on him..He likes to ride so that is a good thing..I think he had a little of both IBD and kidney flare up which both made him throw up and loose stool..He is back on his chicken and broth, eating well...and talking to me so I always know that is a good sign...He is really sick when he doesn't talk at all..It is really hard since he has to be on a kidney diet and IBD diet as I have to try to balance all this to keep both in check..What seems to be ok for one isn't for the other so I have really had to research his options so to try to keep them both ok..Any thoughts on any of this is appreciated!!! Please keep him in your prayers...also Bandy is a little under the weather lately..he isn't eating as good as I would like, but no fever. Not quite sure what is up with him just keeping a good eye on him... Thanks everyone, Head butts to all your kitties, Kerry, Bandy and Inky
Re: How catchy is it?
I think the key here is that the cats were Not vaccinated. All bets are off if you're mixing positives with non vaccinated cats.Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to be devil's advocate here, I have read of at least one list member who had 3 of 6 healthy, adult, unvaccinated cats contract Felv after they had long term exposure to a false negative cat. One made it, two didn't. This does not seem to be the experience of most of the members on this list, but you should know that it can happen. Like Nina said, it comes down to a personal decision of risk vs. benefit. In my house, our positive kitten had already spent his first 3-4 months with his negative siblings, we vaccinated the negs (PureVax, adjuvant-free)and our adult cat and let them mix. So far, so good...Best wishes, Beth dede hicken wrote: Posted yesterday, and this question didn't get answered. If Ki does NOT seroconvert, what are the chances of my other cats getting it if i put him in with them? thanks, Dede
Re: Scamming Homeopath/psychopath
She's giving homeopathy a bad name. $25 for an email is outrageous. I hope someone can put a stop to her nonsense. elizabeth In a message dated 11/11/2006 10:40:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OMD, i was right, it IS the woman i was thinking about! she is NOTORIOUS for this kind of stuff i was warned about her probably 3 years ago by someone who'd been on her list--i even joined the list myself for awhile just to see. didn't stay long, as you've all noticed i do NOT have a lot of patience for people who clearly don't know their anal glands from their whiskers, andwho use scare tactics to mask their real motives... there's someone on another list who used to quote this woman extensively as an expert--a number of others on the list were quite vocal in disabusing the rest of the folks about those claims... i'm gonna check with a friend who's very involved with ETHICAL alternative practitioners--if even i know ofthis woman, she surely will--perhaps she knows of people who have successfullytakenlegal actions against her. MC-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
dear Kelley: What dosage per pound do you medicate? Is Panacur ok to use on kittens? I have never used it before. I have always use Flagy instead. Thanks! Precious Pets --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Panacur worked well for me. .1 ml per day for 3 days, then I am to repeat in 3 weeks. Which is next week now. On 11/10/06, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how did you get your giardia under control? I'm doing metronidazole and panacur right now, and desperately trying to get the adoptables ready for adoption. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I *KNOW* my house stinks. I had a giardia outbreak, and even though it is over they have decided the floor is a better place to poop than the litterbox. At least it is solid now. I am gone from home 8-10 hours a day at work and they wreak havoc. I never let anyone come over unless they are a very, very close friend. I'm steam cleaning the carpets again this weekend... On 11/10/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it's not funny, but I'm laughing at the thought that we've found one more thing we all share in common: WE STINK! I too have become accustomed to the fragrances of my animals. I'm always asking trusted visitors, does my house stink?? Maybe we should have T shirts printed up, If you can smell Cat, then you're too close! Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: A hook and eye latch type lock is cheap and effective. I started doing this because one of my own little gremlins, Trixie, loved to go into the closet and remove EVERYTHING from all the shelves. *tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Nina and others have mentioned keeping closet doors closed. But you may need to do more than that. I currently have a foster cat that is VERY adept at opening closet doors...aaand locking himself inside. (I've nicknamed him Tully after the character Lewis Tully in Ghostbusters who kept doing the same thing!) It's not that he Can't get outits just more fun to sit in there and howl until I come looking for him. My point being...you may want to rig the closet doors to be certain the cats can't possibly open them...Remember, they're cats..they're *SNEAKY!!!* *Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I'm wondering if one of your little angels is marking your closet. I'd get in there and make sure everything smells fresh and then keep those doors closed! Kelley Saveika wrote: My supervisor just called me in for a meeting and apparently people have been complaining that I smell like cat urine. I do have some sprayers. I wash my clothes with Oxyclean and I bathe every day, of course. I have only smelled cat urine on myself once and then I was aware of it. Could I smell bad and not know it? -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=42297/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
My vet prescribed .1 ml per 10 lb of cat. He did prescribe it for the kittens, but they are older kittens - 7 and 8 months. Hope that helps:) On 11/11/06, Precious Pets, Almost Home [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear Kelley:What dosage per pound do you medicate?Is Panacur okto use on kittens?I have never used it before.I have always use Flagy instead.Thanks!Precious Pets--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Panacur worked well for me..1 ml per day for 3 days, then I am to repeat in 3 weeks.Which is next week now. On 11/10/06, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how did you get your giardia under control? I'm doing metronidazole and panacur right now, and desperately trying to get the adoptables ready for adoption. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I *KNOW* my house stinks.I had a giardia outbreak, and even though it is over they have decided the floor is a better place to poop than the litterbox.At least it is solid now.I am gone from home 8-10 hours a day at work and they wreak havoc.I never let anyone come over unless they are a very, very close friend. I'm steam cleaning the carpets again this weekend...On 11/10/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it's not funny, but I'm laughing at the thought that we've found one more thing we all share in common: WE STINK!I too have become accustomed to the fragrances of my animals.I'm always asking trusted visitors, does my house stink??Maybe we should have T shirts printed up, If you can smell Cat, then you're too close! Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: A hook and eye latch type lock is cheap and effective.I started doing this because one of my own little gremlins, Trixie, loved to go into the closet and remove EVERYTHING from all the shelves. *tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Nina and others have mentioned keeping closet doors closed.But you may need to do more than that.I currently have a foster cat that is VERY adept at opening closet doors...aaand locking himself inside.(I've nicknamed him Tully after the character Lewis Tully in Ghostbusters who kept doing the same thing!)It's not that he Can't get outits just more fun to sit in there and howl until I come looking for him.My point being...you may want to rig the closet doors to be certain the cats can't possibly open them...Remember, they're cats..they're *SNEAKY!!!* *Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I'm wondering if one of your little angels is marking your closet. I'd get in there and make sure everything smells fresh and then keep those doors closed! Kelley Saveika wrote: My supervisor just called me in for a meeting and apparently peoplehave been complaining that I smell like cat urine. I do have some sprayers. I wash my clothes with Oxyclean and I batheevery day, of course. I have only smelled cat urine on myself onceand then I was aware of it. Could I smell bad and not know it? --Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20-- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=42297/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Do you Yahoo!?Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com-- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: Scamming Homeopath/psychopath
since she states that she's in compliance with washington state laws, i'd suggest a call to the attorney general there, as well. On 11/11/06, kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will find the legal contract information with all relevant detailsto constitute a legal contract for my services - the official invoice - and agreement to mail the relevant check - all in xemails.Legally that is all that is required.The dates of relevant emails may help you:Same day 2.48pm, the contract with ALL necessary details, including: HOMEOPATHY CONSULT FORMALITIES:(LEGALITIES so that I comply with WA state law:)Note that fees were due THAT DAY - 9-14-06.11/1/06 PAyPal invoice sent with PayPal response: This email confirms that you sent an invoice for $656.00 USD toThat would have been 11-2-06. It is now 11-10-06.What's overdue including till end Oct is $625 if paid immediately by check; or $656 by PayPal - sent TODAY.After that there are overdue fees which will be billed according to howlate the payment for the main fee is sent.On Monday - failing receipt of funds by PayPal or at least evidence of mailing of my check - I must notify the three credit reporting agenciesof the breach of contract.Sincerely,Irene de Villiers.-- -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: How catchy is it?
On 11/11/06, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the key here is that the cats were Not vaccinated. All bets are off if you're mixing positives with non vaccinated cats. Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to be devil's advocate here, I have read of at least one list member who had 3 of 6 healthy, adult, unvaccinated cats contract Felv after they had long term exposure to a false negative cat. One made it, two didn't. This does not seem to be the experience of most of the members on this list, but you should know that it can happen. Like Nina said, it comes down to a personal decision of risk vs. benefit. In my house, our positive kitten had already spent his first 3-4 months with his negative siblings, we vaccinated the negs (PureVax, adjuvant-free)and our adult cat and let them mix. So far, so good... Best wishes, Beth dede hicken wrote: Posted yesterday, and this question didn't get answered. If Ki does NOT seroconvert, what are the chances of my other cats getting it if i put him in with them? thanks, Dede-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: How catchy is it?
oops. hit the send key too soon as far as i know, there are no documented cases of VACCINATED negative cats contracting FeLV from living closely with positives--so if you have a positive kitty that you want to mingle, you have to weigh the pros and cons of vaccinating your other cats. ie, yeah, what tonya said! On 11/11/06, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/11/06, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the key here is that the cats were Not vaccinated. All bets are off if you're mixing positives with non vaccinated cats. Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to be devil's advocate here, I have read of at least one list member who had 3 of 6 healthy, adult, unvaccinated cats contract Felv after they had long term exposure to a false negative cat. One made it, two didn't. This does not seem to be the experience of most of the members on this list, but you should know that it can happen. Like Nina said, it comes down to a personal decision of risk vs. benefit. In my house, our positive kitten had already spent his first 3-4 months with his negative siblings, we vaccinated the negs (PureVax, adjuvant-free)and our adult cat and let them mix. So far, so good... Best wishes, Beth dede hicken wrote: Posted yesterday, and this question didn't get answered. If Ki does NOT seroconvert, what are the chances of my other cats getting it if i put him in with them? thanks, Dede-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: How catchy is it?
Thanks everyone for the comments. We ordered the vacs through our vet, and all 40 will be done. I hope and pray that Ki tests neg in Dec, but I have fallen in love with this little guy, so I guess it really doesn't matter. We were gonna vaccinate anyway because of the cross country move coming up, so what the heck!! Thanks again, Dede --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oops. hit the send key too soon as far as i know, there are no documented cases of VACCINATED negative cats contracting FeLV from living closely with positives--so if you have a positive kitty that you want to mingle, you have to weigh the pros and cons of vaccinating your other cats. ie, yeah, what tonya said! On 11/11/06, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/11/06, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the key here is that the cats were Not vaccinated. All bets are off if you're mixing positives with non vaccinated cats. *Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Just to be devil's advocate here, I have read of at least one list member who had 3 of 6 healthy, adult, unvaccinated cats contract Felv after they had long term exposure to a false negative cat. One made it, two didn't. This does not seem to be the experience of most of the members on this list, but you should know that it can happen. Like Nina said, it comes down to a personal decision of risk vs. benefit. In my house, our positive kitten had already spent his first 3-4 months with his negative siblings, we vaccinated the negs (PureVax, adjuvant-free) and our adult cat and let them mix. So far, so good... Best wishes, Beth dede hicken wrote: Posted yesterday, and this question didn't get answered. If Ki does NOT seroconvert, what are the chances of my other cats getting it if i put him in with them? thanks, Dede -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
Re: How catchy is it?
that's kind of the thing--once you fall in love with them, it really doesn't matter you do what you can to protect the others, and you just love them all... On 11/11/06, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for the comments.We ordered the vacs through our vet, and all 40 willbe done.I hope and pray that Ki tests neg in Dec, but I have fallen in love with this little guy, so Iguess it really doesn't matter.We were gonna vaccinate anyway because of the crosscountry move coming up, so what the heck!!Thanks again, Dede--- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oops. hit the send key too soon as far as i know, there are no documented cases of VACCINATED negative cats contracting FeLV from living closely with positives--so if you have a positive kitty that you want to mingle, you have to weigh the pros and cons of vaccinating your other cats. ie, yeah, what tonya said! On 11/11/06, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/11/06, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the key here is that the cats were Not vaccinated. All bets are off if you're mixing positives with non vaccinated cats. *Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Just to be devil's advocate here, I have read of at least one list member who had 3 of 6 healthy, adult, unvaccinated cats contract Felv after they had long term exposure to a false negative cat.One made it, two didn't.This does not seem to be the experience of most of the members on this list, but you should know that it can happen.Like Nina said, it comes down to a personal decision of risk vs. benefit.In my house, our positive kitten had already spent his first 3-4 months with his negative siblings, we vaccinated the negs (PureVax, adjuvant-free) and our adult cat and let them mix.So far, so good... Best wishes, Bethdede hicken wrote:Posted yesterday, and this question didn't get answered. If Ki does NOT seroconvert, what are thechances of my other cats getting it if i put him inwith them? thanks,Dede -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your GodMosiah 2:17 Want to start your own business?Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: How catchy is it?
If there were no documented cases of a vaccinated felv- contracting it from a positive, then wouldn't the vaccine be marketed as 100% effective, instead of 85% or so? I agree that many of the apparent vaccine failures could be due to "false negative" tests, but IMHO, untilthe testing gets more reliable and we knowmore about the disease, I don't think weshould tell people their vaccinated cats are at absolutely no risk. We may suspect that from our own experiences, and we can relate those experiences to them, but we really don't know for sure. In my case, I did eventually decide thebenefits of mixing vaccinated positivesway outweighed the potential risks. Beth Original message: as far as i know, there are no documented cases of VACCINATED negative cats contracting FeLV from living closely with positives--so if you have a positive kitty that you want to mingle, you have to weigh the pros and cons of vaccinating your other cats. ie, yeah, what tonya said!
Re: How catchy is it?
again, if anyone can show me a documented case of a vaccinated, truly negative cat turning positive, i'll believe it i've looked, and tho i've heard a couple of anecdotal stories, in none of them was an IFA or retest ever done to assure the negative cat really was i truly believe that the efficacy studies were in HIGH-RISK cats--ie, very young, very old, otherwise compromised cats. remember that the vets who are saying, it's only 85% effective, are the same ones who routinely euthanize healthy FeLVs (not to mention FIVs) i've seen way too many unvaccinated cats who originally tested positive, then went to live in a setting with DEFINITE positives, who not only never became ill, but who later, when retested, show up as negative so, yes, they had been exposed and became positive, but at some point threw the virus off-yet continued to live with full positives without staying positive themselves. i've known a number of FIVs who tested positive for FeLV, went into a FeLV environment, then later on tested negative. (since people didn't realize that it takes a while for their bodies to process the virus, retesting just wasn't part of the plan.) the OTHER thing that's been shown many times by now is that healthy UNVACCINATED adult cats can be exposed to the virus, contract it and process it out of their systems. with that in mind, it makes a lot more sense that vaccinated cats don't seem to get it. why have combo vaccines been marketed and promoted so long as necessary every year? even with the new guidelines, i don't know that they've ever actually done large-scale research on how long the vaccines REALLY do protect. some breeders run titre tests to see if the vaccine is still active, but there's question about what that proves, too. there are, and have been for a long time, a number of places/organizations with captive populations of FeLVs, the best possible place to do non-invasive research--but that hasn't been done. of course, even if it HAD been done, would the word have gotten to vets' offices and shelters?who knows how effective any vaccine or treatment protocol is when the population you're talking about is routinely, almost universally, treatedby euthanasia, until FeLV cats are allowed to live long enough to be retested to see if they really ARE positive (or negative, for that manner--a cat coming into a shelter could test negative because he/she was JUST exposed,so we don't really EVER know a cat's status without a retest),and until really adequate research is done, i just don't trust most vets or pharmaceutical firms to be accurate. so, healthy adult cat is a big part of the equation--wherein lies the uncertainty. we very rarely know the actual genetic and medical history of the cats who come to us--so we don't know what problems are in their background, what illnesses they might have conquered before they came to us that has weakened their immune systems but might not show up til later On 11/11/06, Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there were no documented cases of a vaccinated felv- contracting it from a positive, then wouldn't the vaccine be marketed as 100% effective, instead of 85% or so? I agree that many of the apparent vaccine failures could be due to false negative tests, but IMHO, untilthe testing gets more reliable and we knowmore about the disease, I don't think weshould tell people their vaccinated cats are at absolutely no risk. We may suspect that from our own experiences, and we can relate those experiences to them, but we really don't know for sure. In my case, I did eventually decide thebenefits of mixing vaccinated positivesway outweighed the potential risks. Beth Original message: as far as i know, there are no documented cases of VACCINATED negative cats contracting FeLV from living closely with positives--so if you have a positive kitty that you want to mingle, you have to weigh the pros and cons of vaccinating your other cats. ie, yeah, what tonya said! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Tsunade dizzy
I'm sorry I have not been following this thread and just read this (over 700 emails in my inbox). My cat patches, who used to get hairballs a lot, would occasionally fall over as if passing out after or during puking up a hair ball. She has done it at least 3 or 4 times, and I have stuck my finger down her throat each time to bring her to consciousness (not sure if that does it, but it seems to). The first time I rushed her to the ER, but she was fine. The vet told me to give her laxastat every day, and when I did she started puking less. Now she is on a home-made diet because of Lucy, who has IBD, and she hardly ever throws up anymore (knock on wood-- you know she is going to right after I sign off now!). I have no idea why she passes out sometimes. Her jaw gets rigid when she does, like it is a seizure, but she does not visible seize. Michelle In a message dated 10/31/2006 11:04:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That does sound scary! You mean advice aside from "Take her to the vet ASAP?" Could be dehydration, that can cause dizziness in humans, I imagine it could in cats too. Or, it could be that she was gagging so much that she had a lack of oxygen and passed out (or got faint), I've almost passed out while vomiting when I've been sick before, if you retch enough, it's hard to get a breath in between retching. Or, it could be that she's just so weak from being ill, and not holding down enough calories, that she wasjust too weak stand up. Or, it could be something really serious (seizure maybe?). Really hard to say, BUT, your vet could at least rule out dehydration, and check her blood oxygenization levels. Was she breathing fast and hard while laying there? Phaewryn
Re: Prayers needed for Inky
Maybe Bandy is just sad because Inky is sick sympathy. I hope that's the case, and Inky gets better, and Bandy's back to himself in no time. Bandy's my little list hero, he's inspired me several times now through the years here. Inky, of course, is just the "Old Man" of the group, and a source of inspiration for I think a lot of us. I know for me, since I've never personally had a cat live past13 years old. Sending healing vibes to both your of boys... Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006
Re: our little Scooter
I'm so sorry to hear this about Scooter. I was hoping for the best, but I guess it just wasn't going to be. The important thing, at this point, is just to make sure he's comfortable, and surrounded by love as much as you can provide. Treasure every second you have, and lock it into your memory tightly, and you'll always have a piece of Scooter in your heart, so he will never really die. It is hard, but with a circle of people to surround with their kind wishes, it's easier to deal with in this group than it could ever be without it. With sincere wishes of peace to you and Scooter, Phaewryn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006
Re: How catchy is it?
For the flip side, my 2 cats WERE NOT vaccinated (not until Moogie got symptomatic and I finally got a FELV diagnosis after she was about 12-14 months old), and spentMoogie's entire lifewith her until she died of the FELV at 18 months of age. All still test negative. :) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006
Re: How catchy is it?
How soon after the vaccinations do you plan to make the move with the cats? I would not stress them with a cross country move directly after being vaccinated. That's asking for trouble. Try to do it at least 3 months in advance if you can. (and of course, make sure your vet gives the FELV vaccine in the lower rear leg and NOT in the neck or on the side, and carefully check the injection site on at least a monthly basis on every cat for tumors) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006
Re: How catchy is it?
Speaking of healthy adult cats is UC Davis in CA still adopting their research cats out to the public after they complete their studies? They used to have an adoption webpage, and now it's gone... anyone have any idea? It would be really sad if they discontinued that adoption program, those cats certainly do deserve a normal life after serving society in the ways they do for years. I know they had a Persian breeding program to study heart conditions in the breed for a while Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006
