Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

[Gloria Lane]

BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what  
this lady's vet was saying.


Gloria



On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:

i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats  
HURT them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just  
that it was a waste of money and vaccine


i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year  
or so ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a  
kitten 8 years or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!



On 2/27/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that  
are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are combined  
with other vaccines.


Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating  
positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to  
other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in  
Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11 years  
old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing  
with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one  
live that long.  Go figure.


Gloria



On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kelly L wrote:


At 06:29 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote:


Oh I totally understand. The FELV vaccine is one I hate to use. I  
have had very healthy negative cats have horrible reactions to it.  
I dread using it, and I make sure I have the necessary meds incase  
they do have a reaction. and with an immune compromised cat it  
could be worse i agree. I would not feel comfortable mixing a  
known positive with non vaccinated negatives and if finances was  
an issue as the test can be expensive I would error on the side of  
caution,

We just do the best we can and weight the potential outcomes.
Kelly

the main reason I don't like to vaccinate positives is I had one  
cat that was very healthy despite the FeLV+ status and the vet  
accidently gave him the vaccine, he went down hill immediately  
and then diedNOW, I doubt there was a connection, but. it  
was my vets who said don't vaccinate the positives and this was  
an honest mix up (I have many cats and brought them en mass for  
vaccines...)


so if I know they are positive, I don't vaccinate.

Tracy
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Re: Help needed

[Gloria Lane]

The Oklahoma vet thought it might help too.  I have no idea - but  
these cats are now 9-10 years old.  I should have them tested again,  
just hate to stress them.


There also may be a difference (in the effect on FELV cats) between  
the various vaccines.


Gloria



On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:05 PM, catatonya wrote:

I personally have never heard of this happening.  In fact my vet  
vaccinated my positive twice saying it might help and couldn't  
hurt.  (This was over 10 years ago..)  But many cats are  
vaccinated without being tested, and unless the cat were already  
sick and showing symptoms I doubt the vaccine would hurt.  I would  
vaccinate everyone.  I don't think it would cause a negative cat to  
become positive.  Just my 2 cents from my experience.

t

Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You have to be careful with vaccinating because there are cases  
where that has caused a cat to become positive.  That was another  
thing the vet talked to me about.  She feels that as long as they  
are indoors, it is not required to vaccinate as the vaccaine is not  
100% guaranteed.


Chris

- Original Message -
From: Kelly L
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Help needed

At 03:50 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote


As I mentioned I had one positive and 13 negative...ALL stayed  
negativevery very very hard to catch even my positive cats best  
friend, mutual grooming cuddling etc never go it and that was 7  
years ago.

Kelly

:
Personally, I would not spend the money to test.  If you test you  
have to retest later, etc  I would instead vaccinate everyone  
as I could afford it.  Start with the youngest.  They are most  
susceptible.  That's just my opinion of what I'd do in your  
situation.

t

Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the  
feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever  
needed. We aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing  
and shots. A lady I worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2  
weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of them and they all  
lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 babies.  
They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles  
away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of  
nowhere. We brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet  
decided this) and they were ok at that time. All the cats got  
along and seldon fought. If they did it was not the biting,  
scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque  
we had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to get  
pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy  
cat. She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her  
eyes, nose, and mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago  
she started throwing up. We took her to the vet. She had nver been  
seriously ill (none have). They are all around 4 yrs, old now.  
Anyhow the vet said something was probably stuck in her intestines  
so they operated. All they found was enlarged lymph nodes. They  
did a biopsy and said they were not cancerous. She started doing  
better but then it was hard to get her to eat. We took her back in  
and they said her lungs had fluid in them. They drained it off.  
After all of this they came back and said she tested postive for  
leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep.
Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid  
out $700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know  
if the operation threw her into it all or what.
We are going to have the others tested but it will be over  
$1000.00. We feel awful. If you don't have the money though it  
isn't always as some people think to keep up with everything.



-Original Message-
From: Kelley Saveika
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed

I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it  
would be unlikely that they will all be positive and quite  
possible that none will be positive.  If there is anything I have  
learned from this list it is that FELV is pretty hard to catch.   
Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV?


On 2/26/07, Debbie < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will  
the others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly  
indoors now in a 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not  
outwardly sick and di not socialize with the other cats, however  
they used same litter boxes and ate from same dishes.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same  
age, different litters, aquired at the same time.





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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

[Nina]

Gloria,
Once upon a time there was a thread on the list talking about the 
possible benefits of vaccinating a pos cat.  Maybe it was something that 
you posted about these particular kitties from OK?  Some healthy animals 
have adverse reactions to vaccines of any sort, it may have more to do 
with the stress of dealing with the vaccine then the fact that it is the 
felv vac in particular.  After all, it is never recommended to vaccinate 
an animal that is showing symptoms of any kind.  Perhaps the theory of 
not vaccinating a felv pos asymptomatic cat comes from the fear that the 
stress will activate the virus, and not necessarily anything in 
particular about the felv vac in and of itself.  I wouldn't vac a felv 
pos cat for felv on purpose, not unless I could be convinced about the 
possible benefits.  I also wouldn't vac a pos cat for rabies because 
there is little chance of my house cat coming in contact with disease.

Nina

Gloria Lane wrote:
BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what this 
lady's vet was saying.


Gloria



On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:

i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats 
HURT them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just 
that it was a waste of money and vaccine


i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or 
so ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8 
years or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!



On 2/27/07, *Gloria Lane* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that
are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are
combined with other vaccines.

Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating
positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to
other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in
Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11 years
old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing
with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one
live that long.  Go figure.

Gloria

Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

[TenHouseCats]

no, i've never heard that it was of any benefit.


On 2/28/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what this
lady's vet was saying.
Gloria



On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:

i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats HURT
them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just that it was a
waste of money and vaccine

i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or so
ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8 years or so
before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!


On 2/27/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that are
> preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are combined with other
> vaccines.
> Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating positives
> with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to other options - since
> I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years
> ago?  They're 10-11 years old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a
> way of dealing with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had
> one live that long.  Go figure.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kelly L wrote:
>
> At 06:29 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote:
>
>
> Oh I totally understand. The FELV vaccine is one I *hate* to use. I have
> had very healthy negative cats have horrible reactions to it. I dread using
> it, and I make sure I have the necessary meds incase they do have a
> reaction. and with an immune compromised cat it could be worse i agree. I
> would not feel comfortable mixing a known positive with non vaccinated
> negatives and if finances was an issue as the test can be expensive I would
> error on the side of caution,
> We just do the best we can and weight the potential outcomes.
> Kelly
>
> the main reason I don't like to vaccinate positives is I had one cat
> that was very healthy despite the FeLV+ status and the vet accidently gave
> him the vaccine, he went down hill immediately and then diedNOW, I doubt
> there was a connection, but. it was my vets who said don't vaccinate the
> positives and this was an honest mix up (I have many cats and brought them
> en mass for vaccines...)
>
> so if I know they are positive, I don't vaccinate.
>
> Tracy
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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

[Gloria B. Lane]

Yup, I don't vaccinate for Rabies either.  Just adopted out a nice Persian 
to an older lady, we talked about it and then agreed not to vaccinate for 
Rabies.  She took kitty to the vet, who promptly recommended (and did) 
rabies vacination.  Ain't that life.


I have always been of the mind NOT to vaccinate pos. for FELV - but like I 
say, these are the ONLY FELV cats that I've seen live past 3 yrs of age. 
Something to ponder.


Gloria




- Original Message - 
From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)



Gloria,
Once upon a time there was a thread on the list talking about the possible 
benefits of vaccinating a pos cat.  Maybe it was something that you posted 
about these particular kitties from OK?  Some healthy animals have adverse 
reactions to vaccines of any sort, it may have more to do with the stress 
of dealing with the vaccine then the fact that it is the felv vac in 
particular.  After all, it is never recommended to vaccinate an animal 
that is showing symptoms of any kind.  Perhaps the theory of not 
vaccinating a felv pos asymptomatic cat comes from the fear that the 
stress will activate the virus, and not necessarily anything in particular 
about the felv vac in and of itself.  I wouldn't vac a felv pos cat for 
felv on purpose, not unless I could be convinced about the possible 
benefits.  I also wouldn't vac a pos cat for rabies because there is 
little chance of my house cat coming in contact with disease.

Nina

Gloria Lane wrote:
BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what this 
lady's vet was saying.


Gloria



On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:

i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats HURT 
them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just that it 
was a waste of money and vaccine


i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or so 
ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8 years 
or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!



On 2/27/07, *Gloria Lane* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that
are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are
combined with other vaccines.

Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating
positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to
other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in
Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11 years
old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing
with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one
live that long.  Go figure.

Gloria

Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

[TenHouseCats]

that's very interesting, gloria--it would be neat to hear others chime in on
this. you, my friend's mom... wouldn't it be a kick to find out that the
vaccine actually DID have a beneficial effect, after all this time??

heaven knows, there hasn't been nearly enough research done with this virus
to know much one way or another--a lot or anecdotal reports might guide new
research if it existed, tho.

On 2/28/07, Gloria B. Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yup, I don't vaccinate for Rabies either.  Just adopted out a nice Persian
to an older lady, we talked about it and then agreed not to vaccinate for
Rabies.  She took kitty to the vet, who promptly recommended (and did)
rabies vacination.  Ain't that life.

I have always been of the mind NOT to vaccinate pos. for FELV - but like I
say, these are the ONLY FELV cats that I've seen live past 3 yrs of age.
Something to ponder.

Gloria




- Original Message -
From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)


> Gloria,
> Once upon a time there was a thread on the list talking about the
possible
> benefits of vaccinating a pos cat.  Maybe it was something that you
posted
> about these particular kitties from OK?  Some healthy animals have
adverse
> reactions to vaccines of any sort, it may have more to do with the
stress
> of dealing with the vaccine then the fact that it is the felv vac in
> particular.  After all, it is never recommended to vaccinate an animal
> that is showing symptoms of any kind.  Perhaps the theory of not
> vaccinating a felv pos asymptomatic cat comes from the fear that the
> stress will activate the virus, and not necessarily anything in
particular
> about the felv vac in and of itself.  I wouldn't vac a felv pos cat for
> felv on purpose, not unless I could be convinced about the possible
> benefits.  I also wouldn't vac a pos cat for rabies because there is
> little chance of my house cat coming in contact with disease.
> Nina
>
> Gloria Lane wrote:
>> BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what this
>> lady's vet was saying.
>>
>> Gloria
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:
>>
>>> i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats HURT
>>> them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just that it
>>> was a waste of money and vaccine
>>>
>>> i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or
so
>>> ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8 years
>>> or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/27/07, *Gloria Lane* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that
>>> are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are
>>> combined with other vaccines.
>>>
>>> Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating
>>> positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to
>>> other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in
>>> Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11 years
>>> old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing
>>> with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one
>>> live that long.  Go figure.
>>>
>>> Gloria
>>>
>
>
>






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RE: Rabies vac (was vaccinating positives)

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

I'm really of two minds about the rabies vac.  I personally don't think
they're necessary for our indoor cats, and the local ordinances strongly
*suggest* them but don't require them.  Our vets, who are otherwise
excellent, never *insist* but give the impression they think we're doing
the wrong thing when we don't.  They, of course, say what if someone
comes over and is bitten, etc.  We do have one feisty guy who has been
aggressive all his life, and of course he's the one we most dread taking
to the vet to have *anything* done, because scarring will ensue...but
it's not like he runs out and tackles you, he only bites when he's
provoked, or perceives he's provoked, like when you pet him...  As for
the rest of them, one hides for company, the rest are so laid back
they'd never consider biting.  But I still worry some about vet visits,
and if they'll be treated differently if uninoculated.  

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

Yup, I don't vaccinate for Rabies either.  Just adopted out a nice
Persian 
to an older lady, we talked about it and then agreed not to vaccinate
for 
Rabies.  She took kitty to the vet, who promptly recommended (and did) 
rabies vacination.  Ain't that life.

I have always been of the mind NOT to vaccinate pos. for FELV - but like
I 
say, these are the ONLY FELV cats that I've seen live past 3 yrs of age.

Something to ponder.

Gloria




- Original Message - 
From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)


> Gloria,
> Once upon a time there was a thread on the list talking about the
possible 
> benefits of vaccinating a pos cat.  Maybe it was something that you
posted 
> about these particular kitties from OK?  Some healthy animals have
adverse 
> reactions to vaccines of any sort, it may have more to do with the
stress 
> of dealing with the vaccine then the fact that it is the felv vac in 
> particular.  After all, it is never recommended to vaccinate an animal

> that is showing symptoms of any kind.  Perhaps the theory of not 
> vaccinating a felv pos asymptomatic cat comes from the fear that the 
> stress will activate the virus, and not necessarily anything in
particular 
> about the felv vac in and of itself.  I wouldn't vac a felv pos cat
for 
> felv on purpose, not unless I could be convinced about the possible 
> benefits.  I also wouldn't vac a pos cat for rabies because there is 
> little chance of my house cat coming in contact with disease.
> Nina
>
> Gloria Lane wrote:
>> BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what
this 
>> lady's vet was saying.
>>
>> Gloria
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:
>>
>>> i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats
HURT 
>>> them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just that
it 
>>> was a waste of money and vaccine
>>>
>>> i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or
so 
>>> ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8
years 
>>> or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/27/07, *Gloria Lane* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that
>>> are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are
>>> combined with other vaccines.
>>>
>>> Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating
>>> positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to
>>> other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in
>>> Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11
years
>>> old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing
>>> with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one
>>> live that long.  Go figure.
>>>
>>> Gloria
>>>
>
>
> 


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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

[Kelley Saveika]

It is against the law here to not vaccinate against rabies.  I could have my
rescue closed down if I transferred an unvaccinated cat, either to another
rescue or to an adopter.  Otherwise I wouldn't vaccinate against rabies
either.

On 2/28/07, Gloria B. Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yup, I don't vaccinate for Rabies either.  Just adopted out a nice Persian
to an older lady, we talked about it and then agreed not to vaccinate for
Rabies.  She took kitty to the vet, who promptly recommended (and did)
rabies vacination.  Ain't that life.

I have always been of the mind NOT to vaccinate pos. for FELV - but like I
say, these are the ONLY FELV cats that I've seen live past 3 yrs of age.
Something to ponder.

Gloria




- Original Message -
From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)


> Gloria,
> Once upon a time there was a thread on the list talking about the
possible
> benefits of vaccinating a pos cat.  Maybe it was something that you
posted
> about these particular kitties from OK?  Some healthy animals have
adverse
> reactions to vaccines of any sort, it may have more to do with the
stress
> of dealing with the vaccine then the fact that it is the felv vac in
> particular.  After all, it is never recommended to vaccinate an animal
> that is showing symptoms of any kind.  Perhaps the theory of not
> vaccinating a felv pos asymptomatic cat comes from the fear that the
> stress will activate the virus, and not necessarily anything in
particular
> about the felv vac in and of itself.  I wouldn't vac a felv pos cat for
> felv on purpose, not unless I could be convinced about the possible
> benefits.  I also wouldn't vac a pos cat for rabies because there is
> little chance of my house cat coming in contact with disease.
> Nina
>
> Gloria Lane wrote:
>> BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what this
>> lady's vet was saying.
>>
>> Gloria
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:
>>
>>> i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats HURT
>>> them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just that it
>>> was a waste of money and vaccine
>>>
>>> i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or
so
>>> ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8 years
>>> or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/27/07, *Gloria Lane* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that
>>> are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are
>>> combined with other vaccines.
>>>
>>> Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating
>>> positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to
>>> other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in
>>> Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11 years
>>> old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing
>>> with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one
>>> live that long.  Go figure.
>>>
>>> Gloria
>>>
>
>
>






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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

[TenHouseCats]

yeah, that's the thing with rabies--if your locale requires it, and you do
NOT have up-to-date vaccinations, all of your animals can be confiscated.
however, in the case of elderly or impaired cats, most jurisdictions will
accept exemption letters from a vet.

On 2/28/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It is against the law here to not vaccinate against rabies.  I could have
my rescue closed down if I transferred an unvaccinated cat, either to
another rescue or to an adopter.  Otherwise I wouldn't vaccinate against
rabies either.

On 2/28/07, Gloria B. Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yup, I don't vaccinate for Rabies either.  Just adopted out a nice
> Persian
> to an older lady, we talked about it and then agreed not to vaccinate
> for
> Rabies.  She took kitty to the vet, who promptly recommended (and did)
> rabies vacination.  Ain't that life.
>
> I have always been of the mind NOT to vaccinate pos. for FELV - but like
> I
> say, these are the ONLY FELV cats that I've seen live past 3 yrs of age.
>
> Something to ponder.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: < felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)
>
>
> > Gloria,
> > Once upon a time there was a thread on the list talking about the
> possible
> > benefits of vaccinating a pos cat.  Maybe it was something that you
> posted
> > about these particular kitties from OK?  Some healthy animals have
> adverse
> > reactions to vaccines of any sort, it may have more to do with the
> stress
> > of dealing with the vaccine then the fact that it is the felv vac in
> > particular.  After all, it is never recommended to vaccinate an animal
> > that is showing symptoms of any kind.  Perhaps the theory of not
> > vaccinating a felv pos asymptomatic cat comes from the fear that the
> > stress will activate the virus, and not necessarily anything in
> particular
> > about the felv vac in and of itself.  I wouldn't vac a felv pos cat
> for
> > felv on purpose, not unless I could be convinced about the possible
> > benefits.  I also wouldn't vac a pos cat for rabies because there is
> > little chance of my house cat coming in contact with disease.
> > Nina
> >
> > Gloria Lane wrote:
> >> BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what
> this
> >> lady's vet was saying.
> >>
> >> Gloria
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:
> >>
> >>> i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats
> HURT
> >>> them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just that
> it
> >>> was a waste of money and vaccine
> >>>
> >>> i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or
> so
> >>> ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8
> years
> >>> or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2/27/07, *Gloria Lane* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that
> >>> are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are
> >>> combined with other vaccines.
> >>>
> >>> Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating
> >>> positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to
>
> >>> other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in
> >>> Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11
> years
> >>> old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing
> >>> with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one
> >>> live that long.  Go figure.
> >>>
> >>> Gloria
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

[wendy]

Cricket lived until he was 4.5 years (and I still hold
that the FeLV would not have kicked in had he not been
stressed out by 10 extra people living in our home for
a week during Hurrican Katrina).  It's quite possible
I had him vaccinated for FeLV when he was a kitten.  I
made a note to self to check his records when I get
home, and if he was, I'll post.  

:)
Wendy


--- TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> that's very interesting, gloria--it would be neat to
> hear others chime in on
> this. you, my friend's mom... wouldn't it be a kick
> to find out that the
> vaccine actually DID have a beneficial effect, after
> all this time??
> 
> heaven knows, there hasn't been nearly enough
> research done with this virus
> to know much one way or another--a lot or anecdotal
> reports might guide new
> research if it existed, tho.
> 
> On 2/28/07, Gloria B. Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yup, I don't vaccinate for Rabies either.  Just
> adopted out a nice Persian
> > to an older lady, we talked about it and then
> agreed not to vaccinate for
> > Rabies.  She took kitty to the vet, who promptly
> recommended (and did)
> > rabies vacination.  Ain't that life.
> >
> > I have always been of the mind NOT to vaccinate
> pos. for FELV - but like I
> > say, these are the ONLY FELV cats that I've seen
> live past 3 yrs of age.
> > Something to ponder.
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help
> needed)
> >
> >
> > > Gloria,
> > > Once upon a time there was a thread on the list
> talking about the
> > possible
> > > benefits of vaccinating a pos cat.  Maybe it was
> something that you
> > posted
> > > about these particular kitties from OK?  Some
> healthy animals have
> > adverse
> > > reactions to vaccines of any sort, it may have
> more to do with the
> > stress
> > > of dealing with the vaccine then the fact that
> it is the felv vac in
> > > particular.  After all, it is never recommended
> to vaccinate an animal
> > > that is showing symptoms of any kind.  Perhaps
> the theory of not
> > > vaccinating a felv pos asymptomatic cat comes
> from the fear that the
> > > stress will activate the virus, and not
> necessarily anything in
> > particular
> > > about the felv vac in and of itself.  I wouldn't
> vac a felv pos cat for
> > > felv on purpose, not unless I could be convinced
> about the possible
> > > benefits.  I also wouldn't vac a pos cat for
> rabies because there is
> > > little chance of my house cat coming in contact
> with disease.
> > > Nina
> > >
> > > Gloria Lane wrote:
> > >> BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was
> beneficial?  That's what this
> > >> lady's vet was saying.
> > >>
> > >> Gloria
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> i've never seen anything that said that
> vaccinating positive cats HURT
> > >>> them--or activated the virus, as some folks
> have claimed--just that it
> > >>> was a waste of money and vaccine
> > >>>
> > >>> i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV
> complications a year or
> > so
> > >>> ago--they'd never tested her when she came to
> them as a kitten 8 years
> > >>> or so before, so she was just regularly
> vaccinated!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 2/27/07, *Gloria Lane*
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I hate to use it too - I know there are
> different varieties that
> > >>> are preferable, and I've heard to avoid
> the ones that are
> > >>> combined with other vaccines.
> > >>>
> > >>> Interesting thing - I've always heard to
> avoid vaccinating
> > >>> positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've
> learned to be open to
> > >>> other options - since I took in 3 FELV
> cats from a lady in
> > >>> Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years
> ago?  They're 10-11 years
> > >>> old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for
> FELV, as a way of dealing
> > >>> with the FELV.  And they're alive today,
> and I've never had one
> > >>> live that long.  Go figure.
> > >>>
> > >>> Gloria
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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Re: OT: Question about Yahoo photos

[wendy]

Still having issues.  The My Photos section only
applies to My Mail, and there isn't any way that I can
tell to make those public.  Then I went into My Yahoo
and tried to start a Briefcase with photos in it, but
the upload size is 5MB at a time, and each of the
photos we took is 2.something MB each.  Any
suggestions?

:)
Wendy

--- Jean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hey guys,
> > 
> > I went into Yahoo photos for the first time, and
> saw
> > all these photos, some from 4 years ago, that have
> > been sent to me or that I have sent out.  I'd like
> > to
> > delete some of them, but there is no delete
> option. 
> > How do you delete them?  Also, can you make some
> > public, yet still keep others private?  I have
> > family
> > photos in there that I don't want public.  Thanks
> > for
> > your help!
> 
> I'm not completely sure about deleting message
> attachments (which is what you're describing)
> without
> deleting the messages themselves, but I'm fairly
> sure
> they're *not* visible to anybody but you unless you
> give permission individually.
> 
> The help section should show you exactly how to make
> pictures public or keep them private. If there's a
> picture of the Earth next to a pic, it's public. If
> there's a person, it's private, is my understanding.
> Without having Yahoophotos open in front of me,
> that's
> the best I can do at the moment. :)
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jean
> 
> 
> 
>  
>

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Re: OT: Question about Yahoo photos

[Lance]

Flickr maybe?

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:18:05 -0800 (PST), "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Still having issues.  The My Photos section only
> applies to My Mail, and there isn't any way that I can
> tell to make those public.  Then I went into My Yahoo
> and tried to start a Briefcase with photos in it, but
> the upload size is 5MB at a time, and each of the
> photos we took is 2.something MB each.  Any
> suggestions?
> 
> :)
> Wendy
> 
> --- Jean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hey guys,
> > > 
> > > I went into Yahoo photos for the first time, and
> > saw
> > > all these photos, some from 4 years ago, that have
> > > been sent to me or that I have sent out.  I'd like
> > > to
> > > delete some of them, but there is no delete
> > option. 
> > > How do you delete them?  Also, can you make some
> > > public, yet still keep others private?  I have
> > > family
> > > photos in there that I don't want public.  Thanks
> > > for
> > > your help!
> > 
> > I'm not completely sure about deleting message
> > attachments (which is what you're describing)
> > without
> > deleting the messages themselves, but I'm fairly
> > sure
> > they're *not* visible to anybody but you unless you
> > give permission individually.
> > 
> > The help section should show you exactly how to make
> > pictures public or keep them private. If there's a
> > picture of the Earth next to a pic, it's public. If
> > there's a person, it's private, is my understanding.
> > Without having Yahoophotos open in front of me,
> > that's
> > the best I can do at the moment. :)
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Jean
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >
> 
> > Now that's room service!  Choose from over 150,000
> > hotels
> > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your
> > fit.
> > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
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Re: OT: Question about Yahoo photos

[Lance]

To elaborate, Flickr is a photo sharing service. I think there's a free
option for joining, and possibly that's the only option. Memory's fuzzy,
and I'm at work, which is why I fired off that two word e-mail. Or, I
could host them and put a quick gallery together.

Lance


On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:18:05 -0800 (PST), "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Still having issues.  The My Photos section only
> applies to My Mail, and there isn't any way that I can
> tell to make those public.  Then I went into My Yahoo
> and tried to start a Briefcase with photos in it, but
> the upload size is 5MB at a time, and each of the
> photos we took is 2.something MB each.  Any
> suggestions?
> 
> :)
> Wendy
> 
> --- Jean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hey guys,
> > > 
> > > I went into Yahoo photos for the first time, and
> > saw
> > > all these photos, some from 4 years ago, that have
> > > been sent to me or that I have sent out.  I'd like
> > > to
> > > delete some of them, but there is no delete
> > option. 
> > > How do you delete them?  Also, can you make some
> > > public, yet still keep others private?  I have
> > > family
> > > photos in there that I don't want public.  Thanks
> > > for
> > > your help!
> > 
> > I'm not completely sure about deleting message
> > attachments (which is what you're describing)
> > without
> > deleting the messages themselves, but I'm fairly
> > sure
> > they're *not* visible to anybody but you unless you
> > give permission individually.
> > 
> > The help section should show you exactly how to make
> > pictures public or keep them private. If there's a
> > picture of the Earth next to a pic, it's public. If
> > there's a person, it's private, is my understanding.
> > Without having Yahoophotos open in front of me,
> > that's
> > the best I can do at the moment. :)
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Jean
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >
> 
> > Now that's room service!  Choose from over 150,000
> > hotels
> > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your
> > fit.
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> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
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Photos of Best Friends are uploaded!

[wendy]

I hope this link works:

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/wendy2724/album?.dir=/bea1re2

I had to go into a different photos site (there are
several; it's confusing!) and uploading was easy.

If the link doesn't work, let me know.  Thanks!
:)
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[Sherry DeHaan]

I do believe someone had a special liking to a Toshi kitty.I just teared up at 
that beauty.Reminds me of my beautiful Marley at Sids.I want to visit there 
someday very much.Thank you for showing the pics. :)
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Is it possible for you to send me a pic of the close up shot of Toshi?? I want 
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[Leslie Lawther]

*We have a cat in our rescue right now that looks JUST likeToshi too!*

*Leslie =^..^=*



On 2/28/07, Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is it possible for you to send me a pic of the close up shot of Toshi?? I
want to show my friend at work.? THanks
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Re: Photos of Best Friends are uploaded!

[elizabeth trent]

A 21 year old FeVL kitty?  That is amazing.  Just from what I can see in
these pictures it looks like a very nice environment.

elizabeth


On 2/28/07, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I hope this link works:

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/wendy2724/album?.dir=/bea1re2

I had to go into a different photos site (there are
several; it's confusing!) and uploading was easy.

If the link doesn't work, let me know.  Thanks!
:)
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Re: Re: Wendy

[Nina]

Okay, me three!  My formally feral friend, Barbara, (was Black Beauty, 
shortened to BB, then became Barbie :-) ), looks exactly like Toshi, 
(well, except for the tipped ear).  I fed Barbara and her colony for 6 
yrs.  She'd never been touched, but was always one of the friendly 
ones.  2 months after she joined our family she began flirting with us, 
(you know, rolling on her back, stretching her paws out to us belly up), 
making those adorable friendly chirping sounds.  I cried with joy the 
first day she trusted me enough to touch her.  Now she's so loving, a 
regular lap cat, in fact I trust her more not to hurt me than several of 
my other "house" cats.  It's wonderful that she's finally home and safe, 
but a little bittersweet to think of her living on the street all those 
years when she should have been on a silk pillow in the window.


Thanks for the pictures Wendy!
Nina

Leslie Lawther wrote:

*We have a cat in our rescue right now that looks JUST likeToshi too!*

*Leslie =^..^=*



 
On 2/28/07, *Sherry DeHaan* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Is it possible for you to send me a pic of the close up shot of
Toshi?? I want to show my friend at work.? THanks
Sherry

Re: Photos of Best Friends are uploaded!

[Nina]

When was the last time they tested this 21 year old?  I'm wondering if 
she tested pos at one time, threw off the virus and has continued to 
carry the label.  Do you know if they retest regularly?  21 yrs is 
wonderful even if she isn't pos anymore!

Nina

elizabeth trent wrote:
A 21 year old FeVL kitty?  That is amazing.  Just from what I can see 
in these pictures it looks like a very nice environment.
 
elizabeth

Daisy

[Sally Davis]

Hi all

Daisy was spayed yesterday. She did just fine. She got outside a total of 3
times in the past month waiting for her appointment. The last time was this
past saturday. I chased her for 25 minutes. The tomcat was chasing as well.
Finally Ittle Bitty, my big ol loverboy chased tom off and it confused her.
I was able to catch her. I was most concerned that she would go off for a
few days and miss her appointment. I would have had her fixed even if ton
had caught her. The clinic was celebrating spay neuter day so I got 5$ off
the cost was $30. I also got a t-shirt as well. They are having a
vaccination clinic in april and the FeLV test is only $22.

I won't test the other cats again unless there seems to be a problem. So far
all the cats are healthy. I think Junior is my only pos and the others
lucked out. Of course losing 3 was not lucking out.

I have not been sleeping well the past few days, so I am not up to date. I
will have to wait to read the posts.

Thanks everyone,

Sally Davis

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Cricket's vaccination records; vaccinating positives for FeLV

[wendy]

Hey guys,

I am looking at Cricket's vaccination records right
now.  He was born on June 7, 2001.  I had him
vaccinated for feline leukemia on 11/30/01 and then
again on 10/24/01.  This was before we knew he was
FeLV positive.  He lived 4 and a half years, and I
believe strongly he would have lived longer had he
been kept stress-free.  I am very curious now to know
if there is any correlation between positives living
longer with the vaccination.  I will mail one of the
veterinarians/professors that I am in contact with at
Texas A&M University Veterinary School about this.  I
wonder if he knows already.

VERY interesting...
to be continued!

:)
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Re: Wendy

[wendy]

Toshie is such a love!  And so fun to play with.  I
believe she's four years old.  I will send you the
close up pic of her tomorrow from work.  

:)
Wendy

--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is it possible for you to send me a pic of the close
> up shot of Toshi?? I want to show my friend at
> work.? THanks
>   Sherry
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