Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Those little kitties DO have to much time on their hands!  Too bad we  
can't teach them to read!


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 22, 2007, at 8:35 PM, Pam Norman wrote:

My Sunset had a great way of letting me know she was displeased  
when I was gone one time. She peed in the toaster oven & I had no  
idea until I put in an English muffin. Godawful smell!  That  
toaster oven was history & the one that replaced it always had its  
door shut when not in use. Didn't stop her from peeing on top tho,  
but I was wise to her by then.


The take the cake story tho is a kitty named Fluffy (yes, really!)  
who belonged to friends of mine who adored her (had to!). She had a  
thinig about pooping in odd places & she was deadly accurate in  
getting her leavings exactly where she wanted them to be. Her piece  
de resistance was the well of the windshield wipers on their car!   
Totally undiscovered until they backed out of the garage into a  
rainstorm.  Turned on the wipers & oh m'god instant liquid poop  
smeared all over the windshields!!!


You can't beat that!

Pam

Sally Davis wrote:
My Spike was banned from the old trailer for a couple years after  
peeing on the stove top. Yeah that bakes the smell as well. It was  
horrible. Not that I cooked that much. I finally had to build a  
new house on the same land due to hurricane Isabel. The cats all  
lived outside while we stayed in a motel. She was still not  
allowed in the house. She has since redeemed herself and stays in  
my room, But if she ever pulls a stunt like that she will be  
outside kitty again.  The heat vent is another spot she hit in the  
trailer.

 I am not sure how you can get rid of the odor though.
 Sally
 On 5/21/07, *Nina* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> wrote:


Remember the thread where everyone was trying to figure out  
where the

urine odor was coming from?  (Kelley, I'm sure you do).  Well,
someone
has contaminated my dryer.  I'm not sure how they did it.  I'm
assuming
they backed up, aimed and fired into the crevices around the
opening of
the door, but I guess it could be in the air filter.  All I know
is that
I've scrubbed and sprayed and scrubbed some more.  Every time  
I think
it's safe to dry a load of clothes they come out of the dryer  
smelling

not springtime fresh, but of fresh kitty.  Whoever marked the
dryer must
be thrilled, everything smells of their scent now.  Any
suggestions?  Do
I have to get a new dryer and house it behind chain link?
Nina

Re: Benjamin and Sasquatch

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Glad to be.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 22, 2007, at 8:24 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

Hi everyone,once again I need to ask for good thoughts and prayers  
for these sweet boys.Benjamin is a sweet loving black boy and  
Sasquatch is a sweet loving gray boy.Dr. Jen thinks they both might  
have some form of Irritable bowel problems.Or worse intestinal  
cancer.She has the hospitalized and is doing all that she can to  
get them feeling better again.So please add them both to your  
prayers and thank you for being my support group.

Sherry

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Re: Update on Kisa

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Oh, Cassandra, what an incredible bummer.  I guess livers don't get  
needle biopsies, huh?  Also, I wonder why they didn't give her an  
anti-nausea pill or liquid if she hasn't eaten since Saturday.  Do  
you know a veterinary oncologist?  They truly make a big difference.


You must feel just overwhelmed.  Believe me, we've all been there and  
we're all praying for little Kisa.


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 22, 2007, at 8:20 PM, C & J wrote:


Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.

She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number  
of lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease,  
possibly lymphosarcoma.


The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her  
liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest  
doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being  
compromised.


They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not  
sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so  
easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little  
better and maybe regain some appetite.


I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't  
eaten since Saturday night now.


I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I  
watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon as  
he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver  
failure, and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a  
super healthy and active cat to death's door.  I haven't even had  
enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis  
situation.


This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active  
cats for 12 years.


I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while  
I was away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now is  
almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning  
to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding  
raw food).  I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want  
them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer  
indoors.


Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect  
me, both emotionally and financially.


Cassandra

Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee

[Susan Hoffman]

Just make sure it's a bossy little girl cat.  Maybe a calico or tortie or 
Siamese.  She'll make 'em shape up.

Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Well, it might just keep them all so 
distracted that Sammy wouldn't 
think to search out the purse!

Pam

MaryChristine wrote:
> only this group would think that adding more cats could solve a cat 
> problem!
>
> On 5/22/07, *Susan Hoffman* > > wrote:
>
> Throw in a third cat? That will alter the dynamic.
>
>
> */Nina >/* wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of contacting the fire department to see if I can
> lease one of those airplanes that dump water/chemicals on
> fires. I could fill the hold with anti-stink and have them
> dump it on my house.
>
> My sister has all of two cats and one of them climbed on her
> table yesterday and while Connie watched in horror. squatted
> and peed in her very expensive, (well previously expensive)
> purse. Of course this is a rescue kitty that I begged her to
> adopt from me. She loves Sammy, he's a sweet, sweet boy that
> cuddles under the covers with her at night, but she's been
> asking me what to do about this and I'm running out of ideas. 
> This is the third time he's done his inappropriate urinating
> in the last couple of months. The first time was in one of
> those cardboard scratching boxes on the floor, the second was
> in my dad's backpack while he was visiting, and now the purse
> that Tux treats like his mother, (Tux has been known to seek
> out this purse and rub and nurse on it). She's already taken
> Sam to the vet for a check up and urinalysis; he's healthy as
> can be. She's added additional litter boxes. That seemed to
> help for a little while and he uses them most of the time. 
> The two cats get along for the most part, but Sammy is older
> and they do sometimes scuffle when Tux becomes too energetic. 
> (You may remember Tux as the kitty that gave us all a scare
> when he went missing for 3 days and ended up being locked in
> the attached garage the entire time). I'm pretty sure this
> has something to do with the dynamic between the two cats,
> (Sam is Connie's cat and Tux is more bonded to her son
> Justin), or at least some sort of territorial/jealousy thing. 
> I suggested keeping Sam confined to her bedroom for a couple
> of days to see if he appreciates the alone time, and a litter
> box that is not contaminated with Tux smells. I thought she
> could try that at least when she's not home, but she doesn't
> want to segregate Sam. Sam used to be an indoor/outdoor cat
> that never used litter in the house. I'm wondering if the
> problems would stop if he had access to the outside, but
> Connie lives in coyote country. I suggested a trip to Home
> Depot to construct an attached outdoor habitat, but she thinks
> that's extreme. Ha! She don't know extreme! Anyone have any
> suggestions?
> N
>
> MaryChristine wrote:
>> we really have to get these cats of ours jobs--they have WAY
>> too much time on their paws to sit around and figure these
>> things out.
>>
>> and yes, mine have managed to baptize the area in front of
>> the dryer, as well. i just pour the anti-stink straight
>> on the floor there sigh.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/07, *Nina* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the sympathy. The dryer is such an ingenuous
>> touch. How
>> clever this particular little fiend is, (I don't know
>> which of my clan
>> is the culprit). Not only does the dryer "bake in" the
>> fragrance, but
>> it is then carried about all over the house, (not to
>> mention everywhere
>> I might travel). It's so darn efficient of them! All
>> the fabric throws
>> covering the furniture are now pre-marked :-) .
>> Nina
>>
>> elizabeth trent wrote:
>> > Oh no! Nina, you have all my sympathy. "Ode de kitty
>> toilette" is
>> > definitely not the nicest fragrance - especially for
>> warm weather.
>> > Have you tried spraying with 'Urine Gone'? That helps
>> me a lot
>> > with Shakiti (aka - magic marker) in the house. I saw
>> some a CVS last
>> > week. You can order it online too. I am so sorry!
>> >
>> > elizabeth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
>> Maybe That'll Make The Difference
>>
>> MaryChristine
>>
>> AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
>> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> ICQ: 289856892 
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
> Maybe That'll Make The Difference
>
> MaryChristine
>
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> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> ICQ: 289856892 

Re: Benjamin and Sasquatch

[Sherry DeHaan]

 
  It is called Crash's Landing and Sids.Sids is the felv and fiv kitties.And 
Crash's is where the 100 or more disease free kitties are.I volunteer at 
both.And love them ALL!! :)

Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Where is your sanctuary? Does it have a name? Wonderful that you are 
taking care of so many. 

Pam

Sherry DeHaan wrote:
> Hi Pam,I know Dr.Jen is going to try what she can.These 2 are a couple 
> of our 88 sanctuary kitties.They are fiv and felv. So it would be 
> pretty hard to feed them special foods.Unless someone takes them home 
> to take extra care for them.Which she does if she can.Thank you soo 
> much for your info.
> Sherry
>
> */Pam Norman 
/* wrote:
>
> Sherry,
>
> IBD can be treated with a change in diet. Elimination of all dry
> food &
> switch to an IBD diet - in my Paddy's case it's Royal Canin's
> Duck & Green Pea or Venison & Green Pea. Paddy was also on
> prednisolone
> for quite a while but he's ok now. Still eats that food & is on a low
> maintenance dose of the predniosolone primarily for lumbarsacral
> arthritis. He's 22.
>
> An intestinal cancer could be detected perhaps by ultrasound &/or
> xray.
> Can she feel anything?: Some vets are able to palpate to feel
> thickened
> intestinal walls which is indicative of both IBD & GI lymphoma.
>
> What you have so far is not a sufficient diagnosis to be making any
> decisions. You need the vet to be more specific. Yes, it is hard to
> diagnose IBD & lymphoma but I would not give up on them at all at
> this
> point without further diagnostic work.
>
> Pam
>
> Sherry DeHaan wrote:
> > Hi everyone,once again I need to ask for good thoughts and
> prayers for
> > these sweet boys.Benjamin is a sweet loving black boy and
> Sasquatch is
> > a sweet loving gray boy.Dr. Jen thinks they both might have some
> form
> > of Irritable bowel problems.Or worse intestinal cancer.She has the
> > hospitalized and is doing all that she can to get them feeling
> better
> > again.So please add them both to your prayers and thank you for
> being
> > my support group.
> > Sherry
> >
> >
> 
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Re: Benjamin and Sasquatch

[Pam Norman]

Where is your sanctuary?  Does it have a name?  Wonderful that you are 
taking care of so many. 


Pam

Sherry DeHaan wrote:
Hi Pam,I know Dr.Jen is going to try what she can.These 2 are a couple 
of our 88 sanctuary kitties.They are fiv and felv. So it would be 
pretty hard to feed them special foods.Unless someone takes them home 
to take extra care for them.Which she does if she can.Thank you soo 
much for your info.

Sherry

*/Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

Sherry,

IBD can be treated with a change in diet. Elimination of all dry
food &
switch to an IBD diet - in my Paddy's case it's Royal Canin's
Duck & Green Pea or Venison & Green Pea. Paddy was also on
prednisolone
for quite a while but he's ok now. Still eats that food & is on a low
maintenance dose of the predniosolone primarily for lumbarsacral
arthritis. He's 22.

An intestinal cancer could be detected perhaps by ultrasound &/or
xray.
Can she feel anything?: Some vets are able to palpate to feel
thickened
intestinal walls which is indicative of both IBD & GI lymphoma.

What you have so far is not a sufficient diagnosis to be making any
decisions. You need the vet to be more specific. Yes, it is hard to
diagnose IBD & lymphoma but I would not give up on them at all at
this
point without further diagnostic work.

Pam

Sherry DeHaan wrote:
> Hi everyone,once again I need to ask for good thoughts and
prayers for
> these sweet boys.Benjamin is a sweet loving black boy and
Sasquatch is
> a sweet loving gray boy.Dr. Jen thinks they both might have some
form
> of Irritable bowel problems.Or worse intestinal cancer.She has the
> hospitalized and is doing all that she can to get them feeling
better
> again.So please add them both to your prayers and thank you for
being
> my support group.
> Sherry
>
>

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Re: Benjamin and Sasquatch

[Sherry DeHaan]

Hi Pam,I know Dr.Jen is going to try what she can.These 2 are a couple of our 
88 sanctuary kitties.They are fiv and felv. So it would be pretty hard to feed 
them special foods.Unless someone takes them home to take extra care for 
them.Which she does if she can.Thank you soo much for your info.
  Sherry

Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Sherry,

IBD can be treated with a change in diet. Elimination of all dry food & 
switch to an IBD diet - in my Paddy's case it's Royal Canin's 
Duck & Green Pea or Venison & Green Pea. Paddy was also on prednisolone 
for quite a while but he's ok now. Still eats that food & is on a low 
maintenance dose of the predniosolone primarily for lumbarsacral 
arthritis. He's 22.

An intestinal cancer could be detected perhaps by ultrasound &/or xray. 
Can she feel anything?: Some vets are able to palpate to feel thickened 
intestinal walls which is indicative of both IBD & GI lymphoma. 

What you have so far is not a sufficient diagnosis to be making any 
decisions. You need the vet to be more specific. Yes, it is hard to 
diagnose IBD & lymphoma but I would not give up on them at all at this 
point without further diagnostic work.

Pam

Sherry DeHaan wrote:
> Hi everyone,once again I need to ask for good thoughts and prayers for 
> these sweet boys.Benjamin is a sweet loving black boy and Sasquatch is 
> a sweet loving gray boy.Dr. Jen thinks they both might have some form 
> of Irritable bowel problems.Or worse intestinal cancer.She has the 
> hospitalized and is doing all that she can to get them feeling better 
> again.So please add them both to your prayers and thank you for being 
> my support group.
> Sherry
>
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Re: Benjamin and Sasquatch

[Pam Norman]

Sherry,

IBD can be treated with a change in diet. Elimination of all dry food & 
switch to an IBD diet - in my Paddy's case it's Royal Canin's 
Duck & Green Pea or Venison & Green Pea.  Paddy was also on prednisolone 
for quite a while but he's ok now.  Still eats that food & is on a low 
maintenance dose of the predniosolone primarily for lumbarsacral 
arthritis. He's 22.


An intestinal cancer could be detected perhaps by ultrasound &/or xray. 
Can she feel anything?:  Some vets are able to palpate to feel thickened 
intestinal walls which is indicative of both IBD & GI lymphoma. 

What you have so far is not a sufficient diagnosis to be making any 
decisions. You need the vet to be more specific.  Yes, it is hard to 
diagnose IBD & lymphoma but I would not give up on them at all at this 
point without further diagnostic work.


Pam

Sherry DeHaan wrote:
Hi everyone,once again I need to ask for good thoughts and prayers for 
these sweet boys.Benjamin is a sweet loving black boy and Sasquatch is 
a sweet loving gray boy.Dr. Jen thinks they both might have some form 
of Irritable bowel problems.Or worse intestinal cancer.She has the 
hospitalized and is doing all that she can to get them feeling better 
again.So please add them both to your prayers and thank you for being 
my support group.

Sherry


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Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee

[Pam Norman]

My Sunset had a great way of letting me know she was displeased when I 
was gone one time. She peed in the toaster oven & I had no idea until I 
put in an English muffin. Godawful smell!  That toaster oven was history 
& the one that replaced it always had its door shut when not in use. 
Didn't stop her from peeing on top tho, but I was wise to her by then.


The take the cake story tho is a kitty named Fluffy (yes, really!) who 
belonged to friends of mine who adored her (had to!). She had a thinig 
about pooping in odd places & she was deadly accurate in getting her 
leavings exactly where she wanted them to be. Her piece de resistance 
was the well of the windshield wipers on their car!  Totally 
undiscovered until they backed out of the garage into a rainstorm.  
Turned on the wipers & oh m'god instant liquid poop smeared all over the 
windshields!!!


You can't beat that!

Pam

Sally Davis wrote:
My Spike was banned from the old trailer for a couple years after 
peeing on the stove top. Yeah that bakes the smell as well. It was 
horrible. Not that I cooked that much. I finally had to build a new 
house on the same land due to hurricane Isabel. The cats all lived 
outside while we stayed in a motel. She was still not allowed in the 
house. She has since redeemed herself and stays in my room, But if she 
ever pulls a stunt like that she will be outside kitty again.  The 
heat vent is another spot she hit in the trailer.
 
I am not sure how you can get rid of the odor though.
 
Sally
 
On 5/21/07, *Nina* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Remember the thread where everyone was trying to figure out where the
urine odor was coming from?  (Kelley, I'm sure you do).  Well,
someone
has contaminated my dryer.  I'm not sure how they did it.  I'm
assuming
they backed up, aimed and fired into the crevices around the
opening of
the door, but I guess it could be in the air filter.  All I know
is that
I've scrubbed and sprayed and scrubbed some more.  Every time I think
it's safe to dry a load of clothes they come out of the dryer smelling
not springtime fresh, but of fresh kitty.  Whoever marked the
dryer must
be thrilled, everything smells of their scent now.  Any
suggestions?  Do
I have to get a new dryer and house it behind chain link?
Nina

Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Pam Norman]

Believe me, Cdiff is a super bad bug.

Pam

Kelly L wrote:

At 02:49 PM 5/22/2007, you wrote:



there are a few strains of deadly bacteria in a cats mouth, You do 
know that Augmentin is almost the same as Clavamox.. I have used it 
many times and it has reversed severe infections.

Vanco is reserved to super bad bugs,
kelly

I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite & next thing I knew I was 
deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost  30 pounds in 3 
months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin 
& am still on it  8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum 
antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary & even then I will be 
sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own, & a 
semi-feral colony of 4.  I honestly don't know what is worse, an 
untreated cat bite or Cdiff.

Pam

Kelly L wrote:

At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:




 Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing
i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started 
antibiotics


Kelly

Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to the 
dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I had 
surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
(supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail bed 
they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was very 
infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these "bugs" 
can get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am not 
saying this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially 
close eye on the situation.  Your cats value you much too much to 
let you spend too much time at a hospital.







If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.


St. Francis
- Original Message - From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a 
bird, a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter 
snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and 
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake 
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a 
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried 
to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite 
hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of 
the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the 
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat 
inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived 
a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed 
to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff 
and was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more 
like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the 
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see 
him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a 
snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my 
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i 
was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly





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Benjamin and Sasquatch

[Sherry DeHaan]

Hi everyone,once again I need to ask for good thoughts and prayers for these 
sweet boys.Benjamin is a sweet loving black boy and Sasquatch is a sweet loving 
gray boy.Dr. Jen thinks they both might have some form of Irritable bowel 
problems.Or worse intestinal cancer.She has the hospitalized and is doing all 
that she can to get them feeling better again.So please add them both to your 
prayers and thank you for being my support group.
  Sherry

   
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Update on Kisa

[C & J]

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.

She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of 
lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly 
lymphosarcoma.

The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do 
a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because 
of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised.

They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how 
she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily.  They're 
hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some 
appetite.

I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since 
Saturday night now.

I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I watched Tomi get 
sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon as he started getting better, 
Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died.  Now, barely a week 
later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door.  I 
haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another 
crisis situation.

This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 12 
years.

I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I was away 
and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now is almost worse than that 
since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder if something I am doing is 
causing all this (like feeding raw food).  I've always kept my cats indoors 
because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be 
no safer indoors.

Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, both 
emotionally and financially.

Cassandra

Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee

[Sally Davis]

My Spike was banned from the old trailer for a couple years after peeing on
the stove top. Yeah that bakes the smell as well. It was horrible. Not that
I cooked that much. I finally had to build a new house on the same land due
to hurricane Isabel. The cats all lived outside while we stayed in a motel.
She was still not allowed in the house. She has since redeemed herself and
stays in my room, But if she ever pulls a stunt like that she will be
outside kitty again.  The heat vent is another spot she hit in the trailer.

I am not sure how you can get rid of the odor though.

Sally

On 5/21/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Remember the thread where everyone was trying to figure out where the
urine odor was coming from?  (Kelley, I'm sure you do).  Well, someone
has contaminated my dryer.  I'm not sure how they did it.  I'm assuming
they backed up, aimed and fired into the crevices around the opening of
the door, but I guess it could be in the air filter.  All I know is that
I've scrubbed and sprayed and scrubbed some more.  Every time I think
it's safe to dry a load of clothes they come out of the dryer smelling
not springtime fresh, but of fresh kitty.  Whoever marked the dryer must
be thrilled, everything smells of their scent now.  Any suggestions?  Do
I have to get a new dryer and house it behind chain link?
Nina

Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Kelly L]

At 02:49 PM 5/22/2007, you wrote:



there are a few strains of deadly bacteria in a cats mouth, You do 
know that Augmentin is almost the same as Clavamox.. I have used it 
many times and it has reversed severe infections.

Vanco is reserved to super bad bugs,
kelly

I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite & next thing I knew I was 
deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost  30 pounds in 3 
months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on 
Vancomycin & am still on it  8 months later. I will not take a broad 
spectrum antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary & even then 
I will be sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own, 
& a semi-feral colony of 4.  I honestly don't know what is worse, an 
untreated cat bite or Cdiff.

Pam

Kelly L wrote:

At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:




 Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing
i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started 
antibiotics


Kelly

Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to 
the dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I 
had surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
(supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail 
bed they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was 
very infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these 
"bugs" can get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am 
not saying this to scare you just to ask that you keep an 
especially close eye on the situation.  Your cats value you much 
too much to let you spend too much time at a hospital.







If you have men 
who will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter 
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal 
likewise with their fellow man.


St. Francis
- Original Message - From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a 
bird, a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter 
snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and 
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake 
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a 
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i 
tried to get them out with out scaring them under the 
dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i 
needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the 
bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and scared a 
few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She 
arrived a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still 
needed to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by 
the scuff and was almost out the door but she turned and really 
got me good, Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more 
like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the 
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a 
snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my 
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i 
was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly





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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Pam Norman]

LITERALLY!

Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote:
Yikers!  I could certainly lose a few pounds but what an exceptionally 
crappy way to do it!


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 22, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Pam Norman wrote:

I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite & next thing I knew I was 
deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost  30 pounds in 3 
months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin 
& am still on it  8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum 
antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary & even then I will be 
sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own, & a 
semi-feral colony of 4.  I honestly don't know what is worse, an 
untreated cat bite or Cdiff.

Pam

Kelly L wrote:

At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:



 Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only 
thing  i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already 
started antibiotics


Kelly

Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to the 
dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I had 
surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
(supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail bed 
they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was very 
infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these "bugs" 
can get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am not 
saying this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially 
close eye on the situation.  Your cats value you much too much to 
let you spend too much time at a hospital.







If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
 
St. Francis

- Original Message - From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a 
bird, a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter 
snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and 
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake 
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a 
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried 
to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite 
hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of 
the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the 
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat 
inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived 
a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed 
to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff 
and was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more 
like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the 
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see 
him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a 
snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my 
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i 
was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly






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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Yikers!  I could certainly lose a few pounds but what an  
exceptionally crappy way to do it!


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 22, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Pam Norman wrote:

I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite & next thing I knew I was  
deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost  30 pounds in  
3 months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on  
Vancomycin & am still on it  8 months later. I will not take a  
broad spectrum antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary &  
even then I will be sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats  
of my own, & a semi-feral colony of 4.  I honestly don't know what  
is worse, an untreated cat bite or Cdiff.

Pam

Kelly L wrote:

At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:



 Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only  
thing  i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already  
started antibiotics


Kelly

Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be  
but have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much  
to the dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).   
I had surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later  
(supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after  
a very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail  
bed they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it  
was very infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of  
these "bugs" can get into the bone and fester for months or  
years.  I am not saying this to scare you just to ask that you  
keep an especially close eye on the situation.  Your cats value  
you much too much to let you spend too much time at a hospital.







If you have men  
who will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter  
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal  
likewise with their fellow man.
  
St. Francis

- Original Message - From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats  
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a  
bird, a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter  
snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and  
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake  
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or  
a rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i  
tried to get them out with out scaring them under the  
dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i  
needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the  
bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and scared  
a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only  
4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She  
arrived a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i  
still needed to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed  
her by the scuff and was almost out the door but she turned and  
really got me good, Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more  
like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the  
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to  
see him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a  
snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in  
my palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my  
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i  
was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly






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Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

How about night watchmen?

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 22, 2007, at 10:32 AM, MaryChristine wrote:

we really have to get these cats of ours jobs--they have WAY too  
much time on their paws to sit around and figure these things out.


and yes, mine have managed to baptize the area in front of the  
dryer, as well. i just pour the anti-stink straight on the  
floor there sigh.




On 5/21/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks for the sympathy.  The dryer is such an ingenuous touch.  How
clever this particular little fiend is, (I don't know which of my clan
is the culprit).  Not only does the dryer "bake in" the fragrance, but
it is then carried about all over the house, (not to mention  
everywhere
I might travel).  It's so darn efficient of them!  All the fabric  
throws

covering the furniture are now pre-marked :-) .
Nina

elizabeth trent wrote:
> Oh no!  Nina, you have all my sympathy.  "Ode de kitty toilette" is
> definitely not the nicest fragrance - especially for warm weather.
> Have you tried spraying with 'Urine Gone'?  That helps me a lot
> with Shakiti (aka - magic marker) in the house.  I saw some a CVS  
last

> week.  You can order it online too.  I am so sorry!
>
> elizabeth





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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Pam Norman]

I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite & next thing I knew I was 
deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost  30 pounds in 3 
months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin & 
am still on it  8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum 
antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary & even then I will be 
sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own, & a 
semi-feral colony of 4.  I honestly don't know what is worse, an 
untreated cat bite or Cdiff. 


Pam

Kelly L wrote:

At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:



 Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing  
i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started 
antibiotics


Kelly

Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to the 
dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I had 
surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
(supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail bed 
they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was very 
infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these "bugs" can 
get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am not saying 
this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye 
on the situation.  Your cats value you much too much to let you spend 
too much time at a hospital.







If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis

- Original Message - From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, 
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from 
the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the 
cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i 
could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now 
what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with 
out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not 
want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few 
cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and 
scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left 
only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a 
few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to 
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and 
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like 
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the 
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see 
him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake 
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each 
day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just 
commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly






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Re: OT: on the subject of pee (long)

[Pam Norman]

Nina, where did you get the rollaway kitty condo?

Pam

Nina wrote:
Diane I feel for you, your housemate and of course Doyle.  I think 
it's a good idea to give Doyle his own space when you're not home, or 
when he's not directly under your protection.  I've used the feliway 
stuff too, (I did find a generic brand that was cheaper), I used the 
flower essences in the water bowls too.  I don't know if that stuff 
really helps or just makes me feel like I'm doing something/anything.  
It does certainly sound like Doyle is not ready or comfortable enough 
to be in general population.  Working with ferals, (and Sophie 
Matilda, my resident psycho kitty), has taught me to take it very slow 
and to not be hesitant to go back a couple of steps in the 
acclimation/taming process when things are not progressing.  I just 
ordered this great condo cage that has wheels for easy movement.  I 
got it for about $80 bucks.  I'd set up something like that in Doyle's 
room and feed him in there to get him used to using it.  Have 
something like a small open travel crate in there to give him privacy 
etc.  When you think he's ready, you could move the cage out into the 
living room while you watch tv, put him on your lap and use the condo 
cage if you think he's getting stressed.  You might even want to 
partially cover the cage to make him feel even more secure.  You can 
always roll it back into his room and open up the cage door if he's 
too nervous about it at first.  I'm betting if you make him 
comfortable in his room, (a screen door so he can watch and hear the 
household activity, scheduled time spent with him), maybe even his 
"comfort table" in there propped against a window to watch the world 
from), he'll start to regain some confidence and stop the peeing 
behavior.  Does he have a cat buddy that he actually likes spending 
time with?  Maybe you could let that particular cat in Doyle's room 
with him from time to time for supervised visits.  Later, when you 
think he's ready, you could start releasing him when it's time to go 
to bed and everyone is more settled.  You just have to keep coming up 
with novel approaches and do your best to put yourself in his paws.  
It will work out.  I don't know why it continues to surprise me, but I 
try to never say never.  Patience and caring have resolved so many 
situations that I thought might never work out.  Keep the faith,

Nina

Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:
My housemate and I are having a new and interesting problem with our 
Doyle.  We've had him about 2 years and this has just started.

Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee

[Pam Norman]

Hey, I've got 10!  It seems to be my number!  It's a little bit nuts at 
dinner time. But no pee problems. Yet.


Pam

Nina wrote:
Yea, I remember 5 fondly.  I also remember thinking how crazy it was 
to have so many cats.  I guess there's crazy and then there's CRAZY.

N

MaryChristine wrote:

i always liked five.. tho i can barely remember that far back.


On 5/22/07, *Nina* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 > wrote:


Ha!  I told her that!  I even have another tuxedo cat that would
fit in nicely with her color scheme, (both Tux and Sam are
tuxies).  Connie's not going for it though.  I think it's a great
idea.  I remember reading somewhere that the perfect number for
cat dynamics is something like 5 or 6 cats.  I'm perfectly happy
to accommodate her with meeting that quota, but she's hesitant
for some reason :-) .
N

Susan Hoffman wrote:

Throw in a third cat?  That will alter the dynamic.

Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee

[Pam Norman]

Well, it might just keep them all so distracted that Sammy wouldn't 
think to search out the purse!


Pam

MaryChristine wrote:
only this group would think that adding more cats could solve a cat 
problem!


On 5/22/07, *Susan Hoffman* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Throw in a third cat?  That will alter the dynamic.


*/Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >/* wrote:

I'm thinking of contacting the fire department to see if I can
lease one of those airplanes that dump water/chemicals on
fires.  I could fill the hold with anti-stink and have them
dump it on my house.

My sister has all of two cats and one of them climbed on her
table yesterday and while Connie watched in horror. squatted
and peed in her very expensive, (well previously expensive)
purse.  Of course this is a rescue kitty that I begged her to
adopt from me.  She loves Sammy, he's a sweet, sweet boy that
cuddles under the covers with her at night, but she's been
asking me what to do about this and I'm running out of ideas. 
This is the third time he's done his inappropriate urinating

in the last couple of months.  The first time was in one of
those cardboard scratching boxes on the floor, the second was
in my dad's backpack while he was visiting, and now the purse
that Tux treats like his mother, (Tux has been known to seek
out this purse and rub and nurse on it).  She's already taken
Sam to the vet for a check up and urinalysis; he's healthy as
can be.  She's added additional litter boxes.  That seemed to
help for a little while and he uses them most of the time. 
The two cats get along for the most part, but Sammy is older
and they do sometimes scuffle when Tux becomes too energetic. 
(You may remember Tux as the kitty that gave us all a scare

when he went missing for 3 days and ended up being locked in
the attached garage the entire time).  I'm pretty sure this
has something to do with the dynamic between the two cats,
(Sam is Connie's cat and Tux is more bonded to her son
Justin), or at least some sort of territorial/jealousy thing. 
I suggested keeping Sam confined to her bedroom for a couple

of days to see if he appreciates the alone time, and a litter
box that is not contaminated with Tux smells.  I thought she
could try that at least when she's not home, but she doesn't
want to segregate Sam.  Sam used to be an indoor/outdoor cat
that never used litter in the house.  I'm wondering if the
problems would stop if he had access to the outside, but
Connie lives in coyote country.  I suggested a trip to Home
Depot to construct an attached outdoor habitat, but she thinks
that's extreme.  Ha!  She don't know extreme!  Anyone have any
suggestions?
N

MaryChristine wrote:

we really have to get these cats of ours jobs--they have WAY
too much time on their paws to sit around and figure these
things out.

and yes, mine have managed to baptize the area in front of
the dryer, as well. i just pour the anti-stink straight
on the floor there sigh.



On 5/21/07, *Nina* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

Thanks for the sympathy.  The dryer is such an ingenuous
touch.  How
clever this particular little fiend is, (I don't know
which of my clan
is the culprit).  Not only does the dryer "bake in" the
fragrance, but
it is then carried about all over the house, (not to
mention everywhere
I might travel).  It's so darn efficient of them!  All
the fabric throws
covering the furniture are now pre-marked :-) .
Nina

elizabeth trent wrote:
> Oh no!  Nina, you have all my sympathy.  "Ode de kitty
toilette" is
> definitely not the nicest fragrance - especially for
warm weather.
> Have you tried spraying with 'Urine Gone'?  That helps
me a lot
> with Shakiti (aka - magic marker) in the house.  I saw
some a CVS last
> week.  You can order it online too.  I am so sorry!
>
> elizabeth





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RE: OT: on the subject of pee (long)

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

LOL, after I posted this, your post re Sam came through and you were
trying some of the same things.  I'm not absolutely sure what the flower
essence thingies do either, but so many people absolutely swear by them,
and aside from the $$$, they can't hurt.  I like the condo cage idea,
but that might have to wait until after we try *everything* else.  No,
he doesn't have any buddies here except us.  I think Luc, who's elderly,
is a little jealous, Tribble is a psycho to everybody, Missy pretty much
keeps to the living room and doesn't interact with much of anybody
(upside of this is, she doesn't get on his case -- although he still
defers to her as if she did), and Fred, our ex-quasi-feral, has decided
that the coffee table area, where Doyle sometimes sits when he's in the
living room, is HER domain and will just sit and stare at him in an
unsettling way.  So the poor guy can't win.  Maybe if we do the screen
door thing (that door room door needs replacing anyway) they can all
interact in a less intense way.
 
Thanks for the input!
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: on the subject of pee (long)


Diane I feel for you, your housemate and of course Doyle.  I think it's
a good idea to give Doyle his own space when you're not home, or when
he's not directly under your protection.  I've used the feliway stuff
too, (I did find a generic brand that was cheaper), I used the flower
essences in the water bowls too.  I don't know if that stuff really
helps or just makes me feel like I'm doing something/anything.  It does
certainly sound like Doyle is not ready or comfortable enough to be in
general population.  Working with ferals, (and Sophie Matilda, my
resident psycho kitty), has taught me to take it very slow and to not be
hesitant to go back a couple of steps in the acclimation/taming process
when things are not progressing.  I just ordered this great condo cage
that has wheels for easy movement.  I got it for about $80 bucks.  I'd
set up something like that in Doyle's room and feed him in there to get
him used to using it.  Have something like a small open travel crate in
there to give him privacy etc.  When you think he's ready, you could
move the cage out into the living room while you watch tv, put him on
your lap and use the condo cage if you think he's getting stressed.  You
might even want to partially cover the cage to make him feel even more
secure.  You can always roll it back into his room and open up the cage
door if he's too nervous about it at first.  I'm betting if you make him
comfortable in his room, (a screen door so he can watch and hear the
household activity, scheduled time spent with him), maybe even his
"comfort table" in there propped against a window to watch the world
from), he'll start to regain some confidence and stop the peeing
behavior.  Does he have a cat buddy that he actually likes spending time
with?  Maybe you could let that particular cat in Doyle's room with him
from time to time for supervised visits.  Later, when you think he's
ready, you could start releasing him when it's time to go to bed and
everyone is more settled.  You just have to keep coming up with novel
approaches and do your best to put yourself in his paws.  It will work
out.  I don't know why it continues to surprise me, but I try to never
say never.  Patience and caring have resolved so many situations that I
thought might never work out.  Keep the faith,
Nina

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Re: OT: on the subject of pee (long)

[Nina]

Diane I feel for you, your housemate and of course Doyle.  I think it's 
a good idea to give Doyle his own space when you're not home, or when 
he's not directly under your protection.  I've used the feliway stuff 
too, (I did find a generic brand that was cheaper), I used the flower 
essences in the water bowls too.  I don't know if that stuff really 
helps or just makes me feel like I'm doing something/anything.  It does 
certainly sound like Doyle is not ready or comfortable enough to be in 
general population.  Working with ferals, (and Sophie Matilda, my 
resident psycho kitty), has taught me to take it very slow and to not be 
hesitant to go back a couple of steps in the acclimation/taming process 
when things are not progressing.  I just ordered this great condo cage 
that has wheels for easy movement.  I got it for about $80 bucks.  I'd 
set up something like that in Doyle's room and feed him in there to get 
him used to using it.  Have something like a small open travel crate in 
there to give him privacy etc.  When you think he's ready, you could 
move the cage out into the living room while you watch tv, put him on 
your lap and use the condo cage if you think he's getting stressed.  You 
might even want to partially cover the cage to make him feel even more 
secure.  You can always roll it back into his room and open up the cage 
door if he's too nervous about it at first.  I'm betting if you make him 
comfortable in his room, (a screen door so he can watch and hear the 
household activity, scheduled time spent with him), maybe even his 
"comfort table" in there propped against a window to watch the world 
from), he'll start to regain some confidence and stop the peeing 
behavior.  Does he have a cat buddy that he actually likes spending time 
with?  Maybe you could let that particular cat in Doyle's room with him 
from time to time for supervised visits.  Later, when you think he's 
ready, you could start releasing him when it's time to go to bed and 
everyone is more settled.  You just have to keep coming up with novel 
approaches and do your best to put yourself in his paws.  It will work 
out.  I don't know why it continues to surprise me, but I try to never 
say never.  Patience and caring have resolved so many situations that I 
thought might never work out.  Keep the faith,

Nina

Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:
My housemate and I are having a new and interesting problem with our 
Doyle.  We've had him about 2 years and this has just started.

Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee

[Susan Loesch]

I truly believe you are right -- and they get together like that!!

MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  well, they get bored, after all. 
"let's see, where HAVEN'T we peed yet what HAVEN'T we broken? think i can 
spray the ceiling if we all stretch out on the cat-tree just right and you two 
prop me up?" 



  On 5/22/07, Susan Loesch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  How funny you should 
mention a jobMy Big Footsie used to pee at home a lot.  When I 
started bringing him to school with me as my "Head Library Cat" it totally 
stopped.  Not only did he not once ever even wiggle his tail at a wall here at 
school, the peeing stopped at home, also.   He just needed a job to be happy!   

MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:   we really have to get these cats of 
ours jobs--they have WAY too much time on their paws to sit around and figure 
these things out. 

and yes, mine have managed to baptize the area in front of the dryer, as 
well. i just pour the anti-stink straight on the floor there sigh. 



  On 5/21/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Thanks for the sympathy.  The 
dryer is such an ingenuous touch.  How
clever this particular little fiend is, (I don't know which of my clan
is the culprit).  Not only does the dryer "bake in" the fragrance, but 
it is then carried about all over the house, (not to mention everywhere
I might travel).  It's so darn efficient of them!  All the fabric throws
covering the furniture are now pre-marked :-) .
Nina

elizabeth trent wrote:
> Oh no!  Nina, you have all my sympathy.  "Ode de kitty toilette" is
> definitely not the nicest fragrance - especially for warm weather.
> Have you tried spraying with 'Urine Gone'?  That helps me a lot 
> with Shakiti (aka - magic marker) in the house.  I saw some a CVS last
> week.  You can order it online too.  I am so sorry!
>
> elizabeth






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Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee

[Kelley Saveika]

My vet says once you get over 3, it isn't optimal.

I have so many I won't tell him how many I have.  He's told me that my
cats are stressed from overcrowding and I'm not being fair to them,
and I tend to agree with him.

Fortunately I have one going to his forever home Saturday.  A senior yet.

On 5/22/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Yea, I remember 5 fondly.  I also remember thinking how crazy it was to have
so many cats.  I guess there's crazy and then there's CRAZY.
N

MaryChristine wrote:
i always liked five.. tho i can barely remember that far back.


On 5/22/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> Ha!  I told her that!  I even have another tuxedo cat that would fit in
nicely with her color scheme, (both Tux and Sam are tuxies).  Connie's not
going for it though.  I think it's a great idea.  I remember reading
somewhere that the perfect number for cat dynamics is something like 5 or 6
cats.  I'm perfectly happy to accommodate her with meeting that quota, but
she's hesitant for some reason :-) .
> N
>
> Susan Hoffman wrote:
> Throw in a third cat?  That will alter the dynamic.




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Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee

[Nina]

Yea, I remember 5 fondly.  I also remember thinking how crazy it was to 
have so many cats.  I guess there's crazy and then there's CRAZY.

N

MaryChristine wrote:

i always liked five.. tho i can barely remember that far back.


On 5/22/07, *Nina* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> wrote:


Ha!  I told her that!  I even have another tuxedo cat that would
fit in nicely with her color scheme, (both Tux and Sam are
tuxies).  Connie's not going for it though.  I think it's a great
idea.  I remember reading somewhere that the perfect number for
cat dynamics is something like 5 or 6 cats.  I'm perfectly happy
to accommodate her with meeting that quota, but she's hesitant for
some reason :-) .
N

Susan Hoffman wrote:

Throw in a third cat?  That will alter the dynamic.

Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee

[MaryChristine]

i always liked five.. tho i can barely remember that far back.


On 5/22/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Ha!  I told her that!  I even have another tuxedo cat that would fit in
nicely with her color scheme, (both Tux and Sam are tuxies).  Connie's not
going for it though.  I think it's a great idea.  I remember reading
somewhere that the perfect number for cat dynamics is something like 5 or 6
cats.  I'm perfectly happy to accommodate her with meeting that quota, but
she's hesitant for some reason :-) .
N

Susan Hoffman wrote:

Throw in a third cat?  That will alter the dynamic.

*Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

I'm thinking of contacting the fire department to see if I can lease one
of those airplanes that dump water/chemicals on fires.  I could fill the
hold with anti-stink and have them dump it on my house.

My sister has all of two cats and one of them climbed on her table
yesterday and while Connie watched in horror. squatted and peed in her very
expensive, (well previously expensive) purse.  Of course this is a rescue
kitty that I begged her to adopt from me.  She loves Sammy, he's a sweet,
sweet boy that cuddles under the covers with her at night, but she's been
asking me what to do about this and I'm running out of ideas.  This is the
third time he's done his inappropriate urinating in the last couple of
months.  The first time was in one of those cardboard scratching boxes on
the floor, the second was in my dad's backpack while he was visiting, and
now the purse that Tux treats like his mother, (Tux has been known to seek
out this purse and rub and nurse on it).  She's already taken Sam to the vet
for a check up and urinalysis; he's healthy as can be.  She's added
additional litter boxes.  That seemed to help for a little while and he uses
them most of the time.  The two cats get along for the most part, but Sammy
is older and they do sometimes scuffle when Tux becomes too energetic.  (You
may remember Tux as the kitty that gave us all a scare when he went missing
for 3 days and ended up being locked in the attached garage the entire
time).  I'm pretty sure this has something to do with the dynamic between
the two cats, (Sam is Connie's cat and Tux is more bonded to her son
Justin), or at least some sort of territorial/jealousy thing.  I suggested
keeping Sam confined to her bedroom for a couple of days to see if he
appreciates the alone time, and a litter box that is not contaminated with
Tux smells.  I thought she could try that at least when she's not home, but
she doesn't want to segregate Sam.  Sam used to be an indoor/outdoor cat
that never used litter in the house.  I'm wondering if the problems would
stop if he had access to the outside, but Connie lives in coyote country.  I
suggested a trip to Home Depot to construct an attached outdoor habitat, but
she thinks that's extreme.  Ha!  She don't know extreme!  Anyone have any
suggestions?
N





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Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee

[Nina]

Ha!  I told her that!  I even have another tuxedo cat that would fit in 
nicely with her color scheme, (both Tux and Sam are tuxies).  Connie's 
not going for it though.  I think it's a great idea.  I remember reading 
somewhere that the perfect number for cat dynamics is something like 5 
or 6 cats.  I'm perfectly happy to accommodate her with meeting that 
quota, but she's hesitant for some reason :-) .

N

Susan Hoffman wrote:

Throw in a third cat?  That will alter the dynamic.

*/Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

I'm thinking of contacting the fire department to see if I can
lease one of those airplanes that dump water/chemicals on fires. 
I could fill the hold with anti-stink and have them dump it on my

house.

My sister has all of two cats and one of them climbed on her table
yesterday and while Connie watched in horror. squatted and peed in
her very expensive, (well previously expensive) purse.  Of course
this is a rescue kitty that I begged her to adopt from me.  She
loves Sammy, he's a sweet, sweet boy that cuddles under the covers
with her at night, but she's been asking me what to do about this
and I'm running out of ideas.  This is the third time he's done
his inappropriate urinating in the last couple of months.  The
first time was in one of those cardboard scratching boxes on the
floor, the second was in my dad's backpack while he was visiting,
and now the purse that Tux treats like his mother, (Tux has been
known to seek out this purse and rub and nurse on it).  She's
already taken Sam to the vet for a check up and urinalysis; he's
healthy as can be.  She's added additional litter boxes.  That
seemed to help for a little while and he uses them most of the
time.  The two cats get along for the most part, but Sammy is
older and they do sometimes scuffle when Tux becomes too
energetic.  (You may remember Tux as the kitty that gave us all a
scare when he went missing for 3 days and ended up being locked in
the attached garage the entire time).  I'm pretty sure this has
something to do with the dynamic between the two cats, (Sam is
Connie's cat and Tux is more bonded to her son Justin), or at
least some sort of territorial/jealousy thing.  I suggested
keeping Sam confined to her bedroom for a couple of days to see if
he appreciates the alone time, and a litter box that is not
contaminated with Tux smells.  I thought she could try that at
least when she's not home, but she doesn't want to segregate Sam. 
Sam used to be an indoor/outdoor cat that never used litter in the

house.  I'm wondering if the problems would stop if he had access
to the outside, but Connie lives in coyote country.  I suggested a
trip to Home Depot to construct an attached outdoor habitat, but
she thinks that's extreme.  Ha!  She don't know extreme!  Anyone
have any suggestions?
N

Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee

[MaryChristine]

well, they get bored, after all. "let's see, where HAVEN'T we peed
yet what HAVEN'T we broken? think i can spray the ceiling if we all
stretch out on the cat-tree just right and you two prop me up?"



On 5/22/07, Susan Loesch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


How funny you should mention a jobMy Big Footsie used to pee
at home a lot.  When I started bringing him to school with me as my "Head
Library Cat" it totally stopped.  Not only did he not once ever even wiggle
his tail at a wall here at school, the peeing stopped at home, also.   He
just needed a job to be happy!

*MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

we really have to get these cats of ours jobs--they have WAY too much time
on their paws to sit around and figure these things out.

and yes, mine have managed to baptize the area in front of the dryer, as
well. i just pour the anti-stink straight on the floor there sigh.



On 5/21/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the sympathy.  The dryer is such an ingenuous touch.  How
> clever this particular little fiend is, (I don't know which of my clan
> is the culprit).  Not only does the dryer "bake in" the fragrance, but
> it is then carried about all over the house, (not to mention everywhere
> I might travel).  It's so darn efficient of them!  All the fabric throws
> covering the furniture are now pre-marked :-) .
> Nina
>
> elizabeth trent wrote:
> > Oh no!  Nina, you have all my sympathy.  "Ode de kitty toilette" is
> > definitely not the nicest fragrance - especially for warm weather.
> > Have you tried spraying with 'Urine Gone'?  That helps me a lot
> > with Shakiti (aka - magic marker) in the house.  I saw some a CVS last
> > week.  You can order it online too.  I am so sorry!
> >
> > elizabeth
>
>
>


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Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee

[MaryChristine]

only this group would think that adding more cats could solve a cat problem!

On 5/22/07, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Throw in a third cat?  That will alter the dynamic.

*Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

I'm thinking of contacting the fire department to see if I can lease one
of those airplanes that dump water/chemicals on fires.  I could fill the
hold with anti-stink and have them dump it on my house.

My sister has all of two cats and one of them climbed on her table
yesterday and while Connie watched in horror. squatted and peed in her very
expensive, (well previously expensive) purse.  Of course this is a rescue
kitty that I begged her to adopt from me.  She loves Sammy, he's a sweet,
sweet boy that cuddles under the covers with her at night, but she's been
asking me what to do about this and I'm running out of ideas.  This is the
third time he's done his inappropriate urinating in the last couple of
months.  The first time was in one of those cardboard scratching boxes on
the floor, the second was in my dad's backpack while he was visiting, and
now the purse that Tux treats like his mother, (Tux has been known to seek
out this purse and rub and nurse on it).  She's already taken Sam to the vet
for a check up and urinalysis; he's healthy as can be.  She's added
additional litter boxes.  That seemed to help for a little while and he uses
them most of the time.  The two cats get along for the most part, but Sammy
is older and they do sometimes scuffle when Tux becomes too energetic.  (You
may remember Tux as the kitty that gave us all a scare when he went missing
for 3 days and ended up being locked in the attached garage the entire
time).  I'm pretty sure this has something to do with the dynamic between
the two cats, (Sam is Connie's cat and Tux is more bonded to her son
Justin), or at least some sort of territorial/jealousy thing.  I suggested
keeping Sam confined to her bedroom for a couple of days to see if he
appreciates the alone time, and a litter box that is not contaminated with
Tux smells.  I thought she could try that at least when she's not home, but
she doesn't want to segregate Sam.  Sam used to be an indoor/outdoor cat
that never used litter in the house.  I'm wondering if the problems would
stop if he had access to the outside, but Connie lives in coyote country.  I
suggested a trip to Home Depot to construct an attached outdoor habitat, but
she thinks that's extreme.  Ha!  She don't know extreme!  Anyone have any
suggestions?
N

MaryChristine wrote:

we really have to get these cats of ours jobs--they have WAY too much time
on their paws to sit around and figure these things out.

and yes, mine have managed to baptize the area in front of the dryer, as
well. i just pour the anti-stink straight on the floor there sigh.



On 5/21/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the sympathy.  The dryer is such an ingenuous touch.  How
> clever this particular little fiend is, (I don't know which of my clan
> is the culprit).  Not only does the dryer "bake in" the fragrance, but
> it is then carried about all over the house, (not to mention everywhere
> I might travel).  It's so darn efficient of them!  All the fabric throws
> covering the furniture are now pre-marked :-) .
> Nina
>
> elizabeth trent wrote:
> > Oh no!  Nina, you have all my sympathy.  "Ode de kitty toilette" is
> > definitely not the nicest fragrance - especially for warm weather.
> > Have you tried spraying with 'Urine Gone'?  That helps me a lot
> > with Shakiti (aka - magic marker) in the house.  I saw some a CVS last
> > week.  You can order it online too.  I am so sorry!
> >
> > elizabeth
>
>
>


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Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee

[Susan Hoffman]

Throw in a third cat?  That will alter the dynamic.

Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I'm thinking of contacting the fire department 
to see if I can lease one of those airplanes that dump water/chemicals on 
fires.  I could fill the hold with anti-stink and have them dump it on my house.

My sister has all of two cats and one of them climbed on her table yesterday 
and while Connie watched in horror. squatted and peed in her very expensive, 
(well previously expensive) purse.  Of course this is a rescue kitty that I 
begged her to adopt from me.  She loves Sammy, he's a sweet, sweet boy that 
cuddles under the covers with her at night, but she's been asking me what to do 
about this and I'm running out of ideas.  This is the third time he's done his 
inappropriate urinating in the last couple of months.  The first time was in 
one of those cardboard scratching boxes on the floor, the second was in my 
dad's backpack while he was visiting, and now the purse that Tux treats like 
his mother, (Tux has been known to seek out this purse and rub and nurse on 
it).  She's already taken Sam to the vet for a check up and urinalysis; he's 
healthy as can be.  She's added additional litter boxes.  That seemed to help 
for a little while and he uses them most of the time.  The two
 cats get along for the most part, but Sammy is older and they do sometimes 
scuffle when Tux becomes too energetic.  (You may remember Tux as the kitty 
that gave us all a scare when he went missing for 3 days and ended up being 
locked in the attached garage the entire time).  I'm pretty sure this has 
something to do with the dynamic between the two cats, (Sam is Connie's cat and 
Tux is more bonded to her son Justin), or at least some sort of 
territorial/jealousy thing.  I suggested keeping Sam confined to her bedroom 
for a couple of days to see if he appreciates the alone time, and a litter box 
that is not contaminated with Tux smells.  I thought she could try that at 
least when she's not home, but she doesn't want to segregate Sam.  Sam used to 
be an indoor/outdoor cat that never used litter in the house.  I'm wondering if 
the problems would stop if he had access to the outside, but Connie lives in 
coyote country.  I suggested a trip to Home Depot to construct an attached
 outdoor habitat, but she thinks that's extreme.  Ha!  She don't know extreme!  
Anyone have any suggestions?
N

MaryChristine wrote:   we really have to get these cats of ours jobs--they have 
WAY too much time on their paws to sit around and figure these things out.

and yes, mine have managed to baptize the area in front of the dryer, as 
well. i just pour the anti-stink straight on the floor there sigh. 



  On 5/21/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Thanks for the sympathy.  The 
dryer is such an ingenuous touch.  How
clever this particular little fiend is, (I don't know which of my clan
is the culprit).  Not only does the dryer "bake in" the fragrance, but 
it is then carried about all over the house, (not to mention everywhere
I might travel).  It's so darn efficient of them!  All the fabric throws
covering the furniture are now pre-marked :-) .
Nina

elizabeth trent wrote:
> Oh no!  Nina, you have all my sympathy.  "Ode de kitty toilette" is
> definitely not the nicest fragrance - especially for warm weather.
> Have you tried spraying with 'Urine Gone'?  That helps me a lot 
> with Shakiti (aka - magic marker) in the house.  I saw some a CVS last
> week.  You can order it online too.  I am so sorry!
>
> elizabeth






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Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee

[Nina]

I'm thinking of contacting the fire department to see if I can lease one 
of those airplanes that dump water/chemicals on fires.  I could fill the 
hold with anti-stink and have them dump it on my house.


My sister has all of two cats and one of them climbed on her table 
yesterday and while Connie watched in horror. squatted and peed in her 
very expensive, (well previously expensive) purse.  Of course this is a 
rescue kitty that I begged her to adopt from me.  She loves Sammy, he's 
a sweet, sweet boy that cuddles under the covers with her at night, but 
she's been asking me what to do about this and I'm running out of 
ideas.  This is the third time he's done his inappropriate urinating in 
the last couple of months.  The first time was in one of those cardboard 
scratching boxes on the floor, the second was in my dad's backpack while 
he was visiting, and now the purse that Tux treats like his mother, (Tux 
has been known to seek out this purse and rub and nurse on it).  She's 
already taken Sam to the vet for a check up and urinalysis; he's healthy 
as can be.  She's added additional litter boxes.  That seemed to help 
for a little while and he uses them most of the time.  The two cats get 
along for the most part, but Sammy is older and they do sometimes 
scuffle when Tux becomes too energetic.  (You may remember Tux as the 
kitty that gave us all a scare when he went missing for 3 days and ended 
up being locked in the attached garage the entire time).  I'm pretty 
sure this has something to do with the dynamic between the two cats, 
(Sam is Connie's cat and Tux is more bonded to her son Justin), or at 
least some sort of territorial/jealousy thing.  I suggested keeping Sam 
confined to her bedroom for a couple of days to see if he appreciates 
the alone time, and a litter box that is not contaminated with Tux 
smells.  I thought she could try that at least when she's not home, but 
she doesn't want to segregate Sam.  Sam used to be an indoor/outdoor cat 
that never used litter in the house.  I'm wondering if the problems 
would stop if he had access to the outside, but Connie lives in coyote 
country.  I suggested a trip to Home Depot to construct an attached 
outdoor habitat, but she thinks that's extreme.  Ha!  She don't know 
extreme!  Anyone have any suggestions?

N

MaryChristine wrote:
we really have to get these cats of ours jobs--they have WAY too much 
time on their paws to sit around and figure these things out.


and yes, mine have managed to baptize the area in front of the dryer, 
as well. i just pour the anti-stink straight on the floor 
there sigh.




On 5/21/07, *Nina* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Thanks for the sympathy.  The dryer is such an ingenuous touch.  How
clever this particular little fiend is, (I don't know which of my clan
is the culprit).  Not only does the dryer "bake in" the fragrance,
but
it is then carried about all over the house, (not to mention
everywhere
I might travel).  It's so darn efficient of them!  All the fabric
throws
covering the furniture are now pre-marked :-) .
Nina

elizabeth trent wrote:
> Oh no!  Nina, you have all my sympathy.  "Ode de kitty toilette" is
> definitely not the nicest fragrance - especially for warm weather.
> Have you tried spraying with 'Urine Gone'?  That helps me a lot
> with Shakiti (aka - magic marker) in the house.  I saw some a
CVS last
> week.  You can order it online too.  I am so sorry!
>
> elizabeth





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OT: on the subject of pee (long)

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

My housemate and I are having a new and interesting problem with our
Doyle.  We've had him about 2 years and this has just started.
 
Doyle is the youngest (he might be 3) and most recently acquired, and as
befits his lowly position in the pecking order, he defers to everybody,
despite the fact that he's bigger than most everybody and has all his
claws.  And the others really take advantage -- even my laid-back Luc
delights in rousting him from his safety zones (the kitchen table and
window sill).
 
Several months ago, finding some pee and poop on the kitchen floor, we
put a small litterbox under the kitchen table so Doyle wouldn't have to
make the pilgrimage across the kitchen and into the next room in order
to do his business (and we put small bowls of food and water on the
table so he wouldn't have to venture far for those either).  That worked
for a while, but then of course EVERYBODY started using this tiny box so
of course then things started appearing outside of it.  A few times
there was pee that had, due to our floors being 86 years old, run under
our microwave stand/storage cabinet and into the corner.  After having
to move stuff a few times to clean this up, my housemate decided to move
the cabinet out to where the table was and put the table in the corner
so it would be easier to move.  We don't eat at the table anyway so that
seemed like a good idea.  We also hoped Doyle would feel more protected
with his box in a corner.  
 
At the same time, every night when we're watching TV we try to bring him
into the living room for a while.  He's such a loving little guy, we
feel terrible with him stuck in the kitchen out of fear all the time.
Sometimes he'll stay for a while (he likes to be on your lap, and if you
cover him so he can't see the others he'll sit for a long time) but he
eventually makes a break for the safety of the kitchen.  Last week we
bought a refill for our long-unused Feliway diffuser and put it
centrally in the living room, and have been dosing his water with Good
Cat as well, hoping to make the living room more welcoming to him (and
de-escalating the territoriality of the others) and take the edge off
his fear.
 
Now he has started peeing and pooping on the windowsill.  We have a
chest-high sideways slider in the kitchen, and the pee collects in the
track, and sometimes the poop marinates in it.  I'm usually pretty stoic
about cat stuff, but I cleaned up my first "incident" yesterday
(housemate had already done a couple) and I nearly gagged from the
smell.  In desperation, this morning my housemate put him in the spare
room where we kept him for a while when we first got him, hoping he'll
enjoy the peace and quiet.  I hate to reconfine him, and that room
really isn't conducive to us hanging out with him in there right now,
but we do need to break this cycle of behavior.  I'm wondering if he'd
like being in there during the day (when I'm gone and my housemate is
sleeping) and just coming out at night.
 
I think we need to get some Feliway spray to augment the diffuser, and
maybe spray it -- where? on the sill, after we give it the scouring of
its life?  According to the website, the theory is that they won't pee
or scratch where the Feliway is, right?  The stuff is so damn expensive
(when we went to Petco for the refill, it was in a locked cabinet and
the person who opened it brought the refill to the checkout, wouldn't
let us touch it till paid for, which cracked me up) I hate to buy even
more of it if we're not sure it's working.  
 
Any advice would be deeply appreciated!
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C & J
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+ cats?


Unfortunately, I can't give Kisa any food.  If I even come towards her
with food, she vomits.
 
I'm taking her to the vet as soon as they open today, I really hope its
not too serious.  She's not feeling very well at all.  I'm about at my
wits end here.
 
Cassandra

- Original Message - 
From: Marissa Johnson   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+ cats?

I will mention that to her, thanks.  I think Mouse and I may go
visit her this morning just to say hi (that way he doesn't think every
time we go to the vet he'll get poked and prodded).  
 
By the way, Cassandra, I haven't seen anyone mention this yet
and I'm certainly no expert, but if it's been 36 hours since Kisa ate
(more now since you wrote that a day or two ago), I would syringe feed
her something.  Avoiding fatty liver disease is probably of paramount
importance right now.  You can syringe baby food, A/D, KMR, or anything
else you can get to a syringe-able consistency.  Your main goal at this
point would be getting SOMETHING into her.  

Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee

[Susan Loesch]

How funny you should mention a jobMy Big Footsie used to pee at 
home a lot.  When I started bringing him to school with me as my "Head Library 
Cat" it totally stopped.  Not only did he not once ever even wiggle his tail at 
a wall here at school, the peeing stopped at home, also.   He just needed a job 
to be happy!

MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  we really have to get these cats of 
ours jobs--they have WAY too much time on their paws to sit around and figure 
these things out.

and yes, mine have managed to baptize the area in front of the dryer, as 
well. i just pour the anti-stink straight on the floor there sigh. 



  On 5/21/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Thanks for the sympathy.  The 
dryer is such an ingenuous touch.  How
clever this particular little fiend is, (I don't know which of my clan
is the culprit).  Not only does the dryer "bake in" the fragrance, but 
it is then carried about all over the house, (not to mention everywhere
I might travel).  It's so darn efficient of them!  All the fabric throws
covering the furniture are now pre-marked :-) .
Nina

elizabeth trent wrote:
> Oh no!  Nina, you have all my sympathy.  "Ode de kitty toilette" is
> definitely not the nicest fragrance - especially for warm weather.
> Have you tried spraying with 'Urine Gone'?  That helps me a lot 
> with Shakiti (aka - magic marker) in the house.  I saw some a CVS last
> week.  You can order it online too.  I am so sorry!
>
> elizabeth






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Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee

[MaryChristine]

we really have to get these cats of ours jobs--they have WAY too much time
on their paws to sit around and figure these things out.

and yes, mine have managed to baptize the area in front of the dryer, as
well. i just pour the anti-stink straight on the floor there sigh.



On 5/21/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks for the sympathy.  The dryer is such an ingenuous touch.  How
clever this particular little fiend is, (I don't know which of my clan
is the culprit).  Not only does the dryer "bake in" the fragrance, but
it is then carried about all over the house, (not to mention everywhere
I might travel).  It's so darn efficient of them!  All the fabric throws
covering the furniture are now pre-marked :-) .
Nina

elizabeth trent wrote:
> Oh no!  Nina, you have all my sympathy.  "Ode de kitty toilette" is
> definitely not the nicest fragrance - especially for warm weather.
> Have you tried spraying with 'Urine Gone'?  That helps me a lot
> with Shakiti (aka - magic marker) in the house.  I saw some a CVS last
> week.  You can order it online too.  I am so sorry!
>
> elizabeth






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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Kelly L]

At 07:25 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:


I am so glad the kitty has been spotted, Do they have a trap set
my 3 days at BestFirneds Healing heart workshop was so needed,,,To 
sit in a room with 10 other women from the all over the county and 
know you are no alone,We are not just cat ladies eitherdogs 
snakes gopher,,sorry i don't do kids!!

Have a good day
kelly

We are Women alright: Crazy Cat Women!  I was talking with Hideyo 
yesterday about all we do above and beyond.  Do you remember the 
little adopted kitty that went missing from the new adopter's house 
the first night?  Well Hideyo has finally spotted her outside the 
lady's house where they've been leaving food out.  She had to stake 
the place out and Mattie didn't show up until 1am.  When I suggested 
that perhaps it would be easier for the new mom to fight her sleep 
and keep watch for Mattie, Hideyo told me that she didn't think the 
woman would be willing to do that.  I said, why not?  I certainly 
would.  Hideyo didn't miss a beat when she told me very 
matter-of-factly, "Yes, but you're crazy".  This coming from one of 
the craziest cat ladies I know.  It really cracked me up.

Nina

Kelly L wrote:

At 07:00 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:
Already started the Augmentin last night..it is humorous. the 
swelling is from soft tissue damage as opposed to infection..I 
always used to ask my self what I would do if there were a rattle 
snake challenging my cats. Well I now know,,My cats and the 
snake  do  come first, it was a cute little gopher snake, i find 
frequent garter snakes in the house and just put them in the front 
bushes away from the cat, I have to laugh at myself as I do finally 
have a hair appointment at 12 and need to work the ER visit around 
that...I do have a rabies certificate for another cat so I am cool 
with that part,.

Boy are we women or what.
Kelly





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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Nina]

We are Women alright: Crazy Cat Women!  I was talking with Hideyo 
yesterday about all we do above and beyond.  Do you remember the little 
adopted kitty that went missing from the new adopter's house the first 
night?  Well Hideyo has finally spotted her outside the lady's house 
where they've been leaving food out.  She had to stake the place out and 
Mattie didn't show up until 1am.  When I suggested that perhaps it would 
be easier for the new mom to fight her sleep and keep watch for Mattie, 
Hideyo told me that she didn't think the woman would be willing to do 
that.  I said, why not?  I certainly would.  Hideyo didn't miss a beat 
when she told me very matter-of-factly, "Yes, but you're crazy".  This 
coming from one of the craziest cat ladies I know.  It really cracked me up.

Nina

Kelly L wrote:

At 07:00 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:
Already started the Augmentin last night..it is humorous. the swelling 
is from soft tissue damage as opposed to infection..I always used to 
ask my self what I would do if there were a rattle snake challenging 
my cats. Well I now know,,My cats and the snake  do  come first, it 
was a cute little gopher snake, i find frequent garter snakes in the 
house and just put them in the front bushes away from the cat, I have 
to laugh at myself as I do finally have a hair appointment at 12 and 
need to work the ER visit around that...I do have a rabies certificate 
for another cat so I am cool with that part,.

Boy are we women or what.
Kelly

Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Kelly L]

At 07:00 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:
Already started the Augmentin last night..it is humorous. the 
swelling is from soft tissue damage as opposed to infection..I always 
used to ask my self what I would do if there were a rattle snake 
challenging my cats. Well I now know,,My cats and the snake  do  come 
first, it was a cute little gopher snake, i find frequent garter 
snakes in the house and just put them in the front bushes away from 
the cat, I have to laugh at myself as I do finally have a hair 
appointment at 12 and need to work the ER visit around that...I do 
have a rabies certificate for another cat so I am cool with that part,.

Boy are we women or what.
Kelly

Well, I was chuckling through your story until I got to the part 
about the cat bite already starting to swell.  Anytime a bite is bad 
enough to send me to the hospital the story I tell is always about a 
stray, (not feral), just a scared little kitty that I tried to yank 
by the tail out from under a car.  No, I have never seen her before, 
(I make up an elaborate description, she had a mustache like Hitler, 
or some such nonsense), and she ran like a bolt after she bit me.  I 
live in CA too and they always suggest a series of rabbies shots and 
I always refuse them.  No one can make you take the treatments, at 
least no one has ever tried to force them on me.  Bruce was the last 
one to get bit and he refused to go to the doctor when it began to 
swell.  By the time I was ready to knock him unconscious to get him 
there, (the next day), he needed the injectable Augmentin, (a series 
of them for several weeks).
The doctor kept shaking his head and talking about admitting him to 
the hospital for iv antibiotics, but he was able to fight off the 
infection with mega doses of oral and the injectables.  You can 
order Augmentin wo a script from: 
http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=Augmentin&bysearch=ok&Go.x=9&Go.y=6 



Be sure and let us know how you are doing.  I hope that grateful 
little garter snake figures out a way to avoid the hawks and you 
haven't set back your feral's socialization too much.  Let's hope 
that snake lets his friends know that your house is less safe than 
the bushes.  Next time tell your assistant to bring a net with her 
along with the boots and rake. Nina


Kelly L wrote:
Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, 
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes 
from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and 
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake 
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a 
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried 
to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite 
hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of 
the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the 
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat 
inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived 
a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to 
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and 
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like 
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the 
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake 
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my 
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was 
just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly








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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Nina]

Well, I was chuckling through your story until I got to the part about 
the cat bite already starting to swell.  Anytime a bite is bad enough to 
send me to the hospital the story I tell is always about a stray, (not 
feral), just a scared little kitty that I tried to yank by the tail out 
from under a car.  No, I have never seen her before, (I make up an 
elaborate description, she had a mustache like Hitler, or some such 
nonsense), and she ran like a bolt after she bit me.  I live in CA too 
and they always suggest a series of rabbies shots and I always refuse 
them.  No one can make you take the treatments, at least no one has ever 
tried to force them on me.  Bruce was the last one to get bit and he 
refused to go to the doctor when it began to swell.  By the time I was 
ready to knock him unconscious to get him there, (the next day), he 
needed the injectable Augmentin, (a series of them for several weeks).  
The doctor kept shaking his head and talking about admitting him to the 
hospital for iv antibiotics, but he was able to fight off the infection 
with mega doses of oral and the injectables.  You can order Augmentin wo 
a script from: 
http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=Augmentin&bysearch=ok&Go.x=9&Go.y=6 



Be sure and let us know how you are doing.  I hope that grateful little 
garter snake figures out a way to avoid the hawks and you haven't set 
back your feral's socialization too much.  Let's hope that snake lets 
his friends know that your house is less safe than the bushes.  Next 
time tell your assistant to bring a net with her along with the boots 
and rake. 
Nina


Kelly L wrote:
Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, a 
gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from the 
cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the cats 
away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i could not 
tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now what,,there 
are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with out scaring them 
under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i 
needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the 
bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few 
into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a 
few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to get 
one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and was 
almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, Several 
very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like a 
poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the vineyards to 
release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake in 
your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my palm 
tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each day 
they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just commenting that 
all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly

Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Kelly L]

At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:



 Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only 
thing  i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already 
started antibiotics


Kelly

Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to the 
dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I had 
surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
(supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail bed 
they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was very 
infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these "bugs" can 
get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am not saying 
this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye 
on the situation.  Your cats value you much too much to let you 
spend too much time at a hospital.







If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.

 St. Francis
- Original Message - From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, 
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes 
from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and 
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake 
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a 
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried 
to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite 
hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of 
the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the 
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat 
inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived 
a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to 
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and 
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like 
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the 
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake 
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my 
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was 
just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly






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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Kelly L]

At 01:14 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:



no problem. I have Kaiser and a Rabies certificate,,,been there 
before...no health claims and i got a tetanus shot with my last years bite.

anyone time you claim a stray cat bite you are subject to rabies shots,
Kelly



Don't tell them everything...maybe that you were reaching for a 
cat in an alley or something like that.  Try not to implicate any of 
your cats because most hospitals have to report it and most 
insurances will question your claims.  I know my health insurance 
called to see who the cat belonged to etc.  She quite literally was 
a feral with no owner and no known hang out.






If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.

 St. Francis
- Original Message - From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement



At 11:20 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote:


the snake is just fine and happily on his way to freedom,,,the cats 
are all fine and my arm is a mess, Can/t bend my writs swollen and 
still bleeding, i did stat Augmentun,,the right antibiotic, but I 
only have enough for 2 days ( from my last bite..lol) so i will 
probably head to the doc tomorrow... I need to scrounge around for 
a rabies certificate from one of my cats first, they do not go free 
so i am not worried, but do not want snoops around here,

Kelly


Poor little scared guy!  How's your hand/arm?

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 21, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Kelly L wrote:


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird,
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes
from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried
to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite
hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of
the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat
inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived
a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good,
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see
him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was
just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm
Kelly





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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[elizabeth trent]

Can you soak in some hot salt water?  It's painful but it really does help.
I'm so sorry!  Sounds like there is never a dull moment at your house!

elizabeth


On 5/21/07, Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, a
gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from
the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the
cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i could
not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now
what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with out
scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want
to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats
in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and
scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4
more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a
few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to get
one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and was
almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, Several
very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like a
poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the vineyards
to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each
day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just commenting
that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm
Kelly

Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+ cats?

[C & J]

Unfortunately, I can't give Kisa any food.  If I even come towards her with 
food, she vomits.

I'm taking her to the vet as soon as they open today, I really hope its not too 
serious.  She's not feeling very well at all.  I'm about at my wits end here.

Cassandra
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marissa Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:58 AM
  Subject: Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+ cats?


  I will mention that to her, thanks.  I think Mouse and I may go visit her 
this morning just to say hi (that way he doesn't think every time we go to the 
vet he'll get poked and prodded).  

  By the way, Cassandra, I haven't seen anyone mention this yet and I'm 
certainly no expert, but if it's been 36 hours since Kisa ate (more now since 
you wrote that a day or two ago), I would syringe feed her something.  Avoiding 
fatty liver disease is probably of paramount importance right now.  You can 
syringe baby food, A/D, KMR, or anything else you can get to a syringe-able 
consistency.  Your main goal at this point would be getting SOMETHING into her. 
 

  Just my thoughts...perhaps others with more experience will chime in.  Hope 
she's feeling better already!

  Marissa

  Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You might suggest to your vet that she try another variety of raw.  There 
was no way Dixie was going to eat raw the first few times I tried.  Finally I 
hit on the Primal and she loves it but it does need to be mixed with some water 
and/or veggies because it is so concentrated.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marissa Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:29 PM
  Subject: Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+ cats?


  Hi everyone.

  I fed Slinky (+) raw, and am feeding Mouse (-) raw as well.  I use 
Nature's Variety frozen raw, mostly chicken and turkey (though sometimes I mix 
it up with some lamb or venison) - www.naturesvariety.com. I've found the cats 
have all loved it once they got used to it.  I, too, would be nervous about 
trying to balance it myself.  Slinky died of his felv, but I'm sure it had 
nothing to do with the raw.

  I asked my vet the other day (remember?  the amazing Dr. G who helped me 
look for Georgia)...an ALLOPATHIC vet...what she thinks about feeding raw.  She 
said she thinks it's the best thing for them if you do it right (said she tried 
it with her cats but they didn't like it...she was disappointed and wished they 
had).  She seemed to prefer the idea of buying pre-made since it can be tough 
to balance it.  But she said if I decided to make my own I should just use a 
trusted recipe, follow it closely, and try to avoid the ones that are high in 
grains.

  My best friend asked her HOMEOPATHIC vet about feeding raw to cats and 
she said she feeds her cats Nature's Variety.

  That's what I know about feeding raw.  There are several good books out 
there and lots of info online.  Good luck...hope they start feeling better  
GLOW to you and the furkids.

  Marissa, Mouse, Georgia, Angel Slinky >^..^<

  p.s.  Georgia has not been found yet and is still out there somewhere.  
Please keep sending glow to bring her home!!!  Thanks

  C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And how has it worked for you?

I started feeding a raw diet from here 
http://www.catnutrition.org/recipes.html a few weeks ago.

The problem is, i've been having crisis after crisis in my house with 
my 5 cats, and am wondering if the raw diet has anything to do with it.

After Tomi got sick with anemia and he and Kisa tested positive for 
FeLV, I started out trying the raw diet, hoping to improve everyone's health.

Well last weekend, my 15 year old cat Koda died due to her liver and 
kidneys shutting down.  The vet had no idea what caused it.  

Then early last week, my 9 year old cat Link seemed a bit under the 
weather, but pulled out of it just fine.

Now, Kisa (my other FeLV) is sick.  She's never been sick, and she's 
almost 3 yrs old.  Yesterday morning she vomited after I put her morning food 
in front of her (without eating anything).  She continues to vomit anytime she 
smells food.  I've tried all her favorite treats and she won't touch any of it. 
 She's been over 36 hours now since she's eaten anything.  Due to today being a 
holiday, I can't take her to the vet until tomorrow.  Hopefully she'll be safe 
from fatty liver though, since she is a normal weight.

I'm

Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+ cats?

[Marylyn]

On that thought try something salty like ham.  It worked with the Royal 
Princess Kitty Katt.  When I just don't want to eat saltines help...same theory.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marissa Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:58 AM
  Subject: Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+ cats?


  I will mention that to her, thanks.  I think Mouse and I may go visit her 
this morning just to say hi (that way he doesn't think every time we go to the 
vet he'll get poked and prodded).  

  By the way, Cassandra, I haven't seen anyone mention this yet and I'm 
certainly no expert, but if it's been 36 hours since Kisa ate (more now since 
you wrote that a day or two ago), I would syringe feed her something.  Avoiding 
fatty liver disease is probably of paramount importance right now.  You can 
syringe baby food, A/D, KMR, or anything else you can get to a syringe-able 
consistency.  Your main goal at this point would be getting SOMETHING into her. 
 

  Just my thoughts...perhaps others with more experience will chime in.  Hope 
she's feeling better already!

  Marissa

  Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You might suggest to your vet that she try another variety of raw.  There 
was no way Dixie was going to eat raw the first few times I tried.  Finally I 
hit on the Primal and she loves it but it does need to be mixed with some water 
and/or veggies because it is so concentrated.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marissa Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:29 PM
  Subject: Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+ cats?


  Hi everyone.

  I fed Slinky (+) raw, and am feeding Mouse (-) raw as well.  I use 
Nature's Variety frozen raw, mostly chicken and turkey (though sometimes I mix 
it up with some lamb or venison) - www.naturesvariety.com. I've found the cats 
have all loved it once they got used to it.  I, too, would be nervous about 
trying to balance it myself.  Slinky died of his felv, but I'm sure it had 
nothing to do with the raw.

  I asked my vet the other day (remember?  the amazing Dr. G who helped me 
look for Georgia)...an ALLOPATHIC vet...what she thinks about feeding raw.  She 
said she thinks it's the best thing for them if you do it right (said she tried 
it with her cats but they didn't like it...she was disappointed and wished they 
had).  She seemed to prefer the idea of buying pre-made since it can be tough 
to balance it.  But she said if I decided to make my own I should just use a 
trusted recipe, follow it closely, and try to avoid the ones that are high in 
grains.

  My best friend asked her HOMEOPATHIC vet about feeding raw to cats and 
she said she feeds her cats Nature's Variety.

  That's what I know about feeding raw.  There are several good books out 
there and lots of info online.  Good luck...hope they start feeling better  
GLOW to you and the furkids.

  Marissa, Mouse, Georgia, Angel Slinky >^..^<

  p.s.  Georgia has not been found yet and is still out there somewhere.  
Please keep sending glow to bring her home!!!  Thanks

  C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And how has it worked for you?

I started feeding a raw diet from here 
http://www.catnutrition.org/recipes.html a few weeks ago.

The problem is, i've been having crisis after crisis in my house with 
my 5 cats, and am wondering if the raw diet has anything to do with it.

After Tomi got sick with anemia and he and Kisa tested positive for 
FeLV, I started out trying the raw diet, hoping to improve everyone's health.

Well last weekend, my 15 year old cat Koda died due to her liver and 
kidneys shutting down.  The vet had no idea what caused it.  

Then early last week, my 9 year old cat Link seemed a bit under the 
weather, but pulled out of it just fine.

Now, Kisa (my other FeLV) is sick.  She's never been sick, and she's 
almost 3 yrs old.  Yesterday morning she vomited after I put her morning food 
in front of her (without eating anything).  She continues to vomit anytime she 
smells food.  I've tried 

Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+ cats?

[Marissa Johnson]

I will mention that to her, thanks.  I think Mouse and I may go visit her this 
morning just to say hi (that way he doesn't think every time we go to the vet 
he'll get poked and prodded).  
   
  By the way, Cassandra, I haven't seen anyone mention this yet and I'm 
certainly no expert, but if it's been 36 hours since Kisa ate (more now since 
you wrote that a day or two ago), I would syringe feed her something.  Avoiding 
fatty liver disease is probably of paramount importance right now.  You can 
syringe baby food, A/D, KMR, or anything else you can get to a syringe-able 
consistency.  Your main goal at this point would be getting SOMETHING into her. 
 
   
  Just my thoughts...perhaps others with more experience will chime in.  Hope 
she's feeling better already!
   
  Marissa

Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  You might suggest to your vet that she try another variety of raw.  There 
was no way Dixie was going to eat raw the first few times I tried.  Finally I 
hit on the Primal and she loves it but it does need to be mixed with some water 
and/or veggies because it is so concentrated.  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
- Original Message - 
  From: Marissa Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:29 PM
  Subject: Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+ cats?
  

  Hi everyone.
   
  I fed Slinky (+) raw, and am feeding Mouse (-) raw as well.  I use Nature's 
Variety frozen raw, mostly chicken and turkey (though sometimes I mix it up 
with some lamb or venison) - www.naturesvariety.com. I've found the cats have 
all loved it once they got used to it.  I, too, would be nervous about trying 
to balance it myself.  Slinky died of his felv, but I'm sure it had nothing to 
do with the raw.
   
  I asked my vet the other day (remember?  the amazing Dr. G who helped me look 
for Georgia)...an ALLOPATHIC vet...what she thinks about feeding raw.  She said 
she thinks it's the best thing for them if you do it right (said she tried it 
with her cats but they didn't like it...she was disappointed and wished they 
had).  She seemed to prefer the idea of buying pre-made since it can be tough 
to balance it.  But she said if I decided to make my own I should just use a 
trusted recipe, follow it closely, and try to avoid the ones that are high in 
grains.
   
  My best friend asked her HOMEOPATHIC vet about feeding raw to cats and she 
said she feeds her cats Nature's Variety.
   
  That's what I know about feeding raw.  There are several good books out there 
and lots of info online.  Good luck...hope they start feeling better  GLOW 
to you and the furkids.
   
  Marissa, Mouse, Georgia, Angel Slinky >^..^<
   
  p.s.  Georgia has not been found yet and is still out there somewhere.  
Please keep sending glow to bring her home!!!  Thanks

C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  And how has it worked for you?
   
  I started feeding a raw diet from here 
http://www.catnutrition.org/recipes.html a few weeks ago.
   
  The problem is, i've been having crisis after crisis in my house with my 5 
cats, and am wondering if the raw diet has anything to do with it.
   
  After Tomi got sick with anemia and he and Kisa tested positive for FeLV, I 
started out trying the raw diet, hoping to improve everyone's health.
   
  Well last weekend, my 15 year old cat Koda died due to her liver and kidneys 
shutting down.  The vet had no idea what caused it.  
   
  Then early last week, my 9 year old cat Link seemed a bit under the weather, 
but pulled out of it just fine.
   
  Now, Kisa (my other FeLV) is sick.  She's never been sick, and she's almost 3 
yrs old.  Yesterday morning she vomited after I put her morning food in front 
of her (without eating anything).  She continues to vomit anytime she smells 
food.  I've tried all her favorite treats and she won't touch any of it.  She's 
been over 36 hours now since she's eaten anything.  Due to today being a 
holiday, I can't take her to the vet until tomorrow.  Hopefully she'll be safe 
from fatty liver though, since she is a normal weight.
   
  I'm really hoping that my change to raw food isn't causing this.  My cats 
seem to really enjoy the food, and I was hoping that my older overweight ones 
would reduce to a normal weight on a natural diet, and everyone would be 
healthier.
   
  If anyone has had experiences with raw food, any input would be appreciated.
   
  Cassandra 



"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know 

Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Marylyn]

Don't tell them everything...maybe that you were reaching for a cat in 
an alley or something like that.  Try not to implicate any of your cats 
because most hospitals have to report it and most insurances will question 
your claims.  I know my health insurance called to see who the cat belonged 
to etc.  She quite literally was a feral with no owner and no known hang 
out.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement



At 11:20 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote:


the snake is just fine and happily on his way to freedom,,,the cats are 
all fine and my arm is a mess, Can/t bend my writs swollen and still 
bleeding, i did stat Augmentun,,the right antibiotic, but I only have 
enough for 2 days ( from my last bite..lol) so i will probably head to the 
doc tomorrow... I need to scrounge around for a rabies certificate from 
one of my cats first, they do not go free so i am not worried, but do not 
want snoops around here,

Kelly


Poor little scared guy!  How's your hand/arm?

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 21, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Kelly L wrote:


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird,
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes
from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried
to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite
hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of
the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat
inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived
a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good,
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see
him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was
just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm
Kelly






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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Marylyn]

Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but have to 
say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to the dismay of an 
entire hand practice at a  university here).  I had surgery twice. 
Immediately to repair some damage and later (supposedly) to repair the nail 
bed.  The last surgery was after a very long course of antibiotics.  Instead 
of repairing the nail bed they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems 
like it was very infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these 
"bugs" can get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am not 
saying this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye 
on the situation.  Your cats value you much too much to let you spend too 
much time at a hospital.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats curiously 
looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, a gopher  or 
snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from the cats this 
year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard 
a very irritated snake under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a 
gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there 
and i tried to get them out with out scaring them under the 
dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to 
keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the 
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat inclosure and 
locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a few 
moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to get one 
feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and was almost out 
the door but she turned and really got me good, Several very deep bites 
but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like a poor 
little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the vineyards to release 
him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake in 
your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my palm 
tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each day they 
seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just commenting that all my 
snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly

Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+ cats?

[Marylyn]

You might suggest to your vet that she try another variety of raw.  There was 
no way Dixie was going to eat raw the first few times I tried.  Finally I hit 
on the Primal and she loves it but it does need to be mixed with some water 
and/or veggies because it is so concentrated.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marissa Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:29 PM
  Subject: Re: Anyone feed a raw diet to their FeLV+ cats?


  Hi everyone.

  I fed Slinky (+) raw, and am feeding Mouse (-) raw as well.  I use Nature's 
Variety frozen raw, mostly chicken and turkey (though sometimes I mix it up 
with some lamb or venison) - www.naturesvariety.com. I've found the cats have 
all loved it once they got used to it.  I, too, would be nervous about trying 
to balance it myself.  Slinky died of his felv, but I'm sure it had nothing to 
do with the raw.

  I asked my vet the other day (remember?  the amazing Dr. G who helped me look 
for Georgia)...an ALLOPATHIC vet...what she thinks about feeding raw.  She said 
she thinks it's the best thing for them if you do it right (said she tried it 
with her cats but they didn't like it...she was disappointed and wished they 
had).  She seemed to prefer the idea of buying pre-made since it can be tough 
to balance it.  But she said if I decided to make my own I should just use a 
trusted recipe, follow it closely, and try to avoid the ones that are high in 
grains.

  My best friend asked her HOMEOPATHIC vet about feeding raw to cats and she 
said she feeds her cats Nature's Variety.

  That's what I know about feeding raw.  There are several good books out there 
and lots of info online.  Good luck...hope they start feeling better  GLOW 
to you and the furkids.

  Marissa, Mouse, Georgia, Angel Slinky >^..^<

  p.s.  Georgia has not been found yet and is still out there somewhere.  
Please keep sending glow to bring her home!!!  Thanks

  C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And how has it worked for you?

I started feeding a raw diet from here 
http://www.catnutrition.org/recipes.html a few weeks ago.

The problem is, i've been having crisis after crisis in my house with my 5 
cats, and am wondering if the raw diet has anything to do with it.

After Tomi got sick with anemia and he and Kisa tested positive for FeLV, I 
started out trying the raw diet, hoping to improve everyone's health.

Well last weekend, my 15 year old cat Koda died due to her liver and 
kidneys shutting down.  The vet had no idea what caused it.  

Then early last week, my 9 year old cat Link seemed a bit under the 
weather, but pulled out of it just fine.

Now, Kisa (my other FeLV) is sick.  She's never been sick, and she's almost 
3 yrs old.  Yesterday morning she vomited after I put her morning food in front 
of her (without eating anything).  She continues to vomit anytime she smells 
food.  I've tried all her favorite treats and she won't touch any of it.  She's 
been over 36 hours now since she's eaten anything.  Due to today being a 
holiday, I can't take her to the vet until tomorrow.  Hopefully she'll be safe 
from fatty liver though, since she is a normal weight.

I'm really hoping that my change to raw food isn't causing this.  My cats 
seem to really enjoy the food, and I was hoping that my older overweight ones 
would reduce to a normal weight on a natural diet, and everyone would be 
healthier.

If anyone has had experiences with raw food, any input would be appreciated.

Cassandra 



  "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
  each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
  what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys." 
  --Chief Dan George


  "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to 
protection by man from the cruelty of man The greatness of a nation and its 
moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas 
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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Kelly L]

At 11:59 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote:



already found one,


No kidding.  Now is the time for a servant!  Where are they when we
NEED them?  Good luck finding the rabies certificate.  After being
bitten one of my vet tech friends ended up in the hospital for two
weeks mainlining antibiotics and another friend got well at home but
had really weird hallucinations.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
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On May 22, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Kelly L wrote:


At 11:20 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote:


the snake is just fine and happily on his way to freedom,,,the cats
are all fine and my arm is a mess, Can/t bend my writs swollen and
still bleeding, i did stat Augmentun,,the right antibiotic, but I
only have enough for 2 days ( from my last bite..lol) so i will
probably head to the doc tomorrow... I need to scrounge around for
a rabies certificate from one of my cats first, they do not go free
so i am not worried, but do not want snoops around here,
Kelly


Poor little scared guy!  How's your hand/arm?

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
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On May 21, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Kelly L wrote:


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird,
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes
from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried
to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite
hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of
the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat
inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived
a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good,
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see
him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was
just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm
Kelly





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