Re: To Pam

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Me, too!

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
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On May 23, 2007, at 8:52 PM, Pam Norman wrote:

Great group! And a vet founded it?  Wow!  And you're inj Michigan?   
I'm in Wisconsin


I'm bookmarking it.

Pam

Sherry DeHaan wrote:

Here is the website so you can read the story,
 http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/crashslanding.html

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Re: Nathaniel Please add to the CLS :(

[elizabeth trent]

Sherry, I'm so sorry.  You've had to say goodbye to so many friends lately.
Goodbye, Nate...you were very loved.

elizabeth


On 5/23/07, Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Jen just e-mail us that sweet Nate Nate has lost his battle with a blood
parasite that was making him anemic.He was a sweet tiger boy with white
feet.I will miss him very much. :(
Sherry

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Re: OT: on the subject of pee (long) - kitty condo

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

The pink is adorable!  Great price, too!

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
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On May 23, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Nina wrote:


Hi Pam,
Here's the link to the kitty condo I got recently.  It was actually  
$89 bucks plus shipping.  I got it from Petedge.com.  Phaewryn had  
posted the site to the ot list and MC commented on the condo, (so I  
figured it had to be a good one).  I'm very pleased with it.  It  
folds for easy storage too.  I'm sorry I chickened out and got the  
black one instead of the pink one  :-) .


http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp? 
itemID=4851&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=0&iSubCat=0&iSubSubCat=0&iProduc 
tID=4851&AS=1


Pam Norman wrote:

Nina, where did you get the rollaway kitty condo?

Pam

Re: Update on Kisa

[C & J]

Ugh, Kisa vomited again about 3 hours after I syringe fed her and gave her the 
pills.  There seemed to be quite a bit of food vomited up.  I hoping that a few 
hours is enough to absorb the pills and get some nutrition?

I syringe fed her some more, and am hoping she can keep that down.  It seems 
like I have the most luck with her keeping things down if I give them right 
after she vomits.

This syringe feeding is sure an awful process.  She hates it so much, and the 
food gets all over her and me.

Cassandra
  - Original Message - 
  From: C & J 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
  Subject: Update on Kisa


  Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.

  She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of 
lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly 
lymphosarcoma.

  The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to 
do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though 
because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised.

  They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how 
she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily.  They're 
hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some 
appetite.

  I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since 
Saturday night now.

  I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I watched Tomi 
get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon as he started getting 
better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died.  Now, barely a 
week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. 
 I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another 
crisis situation.

  This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 12 
years.

  I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I was 
away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now is almost worse than 
that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder if something I am 
doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food).  I've always kept my cats 
indoors because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they 
seem to be no safer indoors.

  Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, both 
emotionally and financially.

  Cassandra


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Re: Update on Kisa

[C & J]

I asked the vet about something to calm her nausea and appetite stimulants. 
They didn't think it was a good idea though because it is another medication 
that her liver is going to have to deal with.  Her liver is having problems 
removing toxins, and that's likely why she feels nauseous.


If I am syringe feeding her, I can likely grind her pills into the food 
easily enough, though the injectable meds would be good if she ever decides 
to eat on her own again.


The vet said she wasn't dehydrated, and she is drinking some on her own 
(though she's acting odd when she drinks, she sticks her paw in the water, 
digs at it, then licks off her paw).  I've never seen her drink that way 
before.


We don't really have any specialized vets in our area.  I took Kisa to a 
different vet clinic than the one I took Tomi to, hoping they would be a 
little better with FeLV, but even though they are twice as expensive, I 
don't think they are any better.  They have a pretty bleak outlook on FeLV 
as well, though they are trying to help at least.


Cassandra

- Original Message - 
From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Update on Kisa


I can completely understand how overwhelmed and disheartened you must feel 
right now Cassandra.  You need to shake that off if you can.  Concentrate 
instead on keeping your spirits up and doing everything possible to help 
Kisa feel more comfortable and regain her health.  Who knows why these 
things seem to come out of nowhere and heap themselves one on top of the 
other.  I too had years of healthy "no problem" animals and then boom!  One 
after the other started falling ill to things I'd never even heard of 
before.  Instead of wondering 'why', or even wondering 'why now', be 
thankful for all those wonderful years of blissful ignorance.  One obstacle 
at a time, one day at a time.  Celebrate every little success and esp 
celebrate every moment you have with your loved ones.  You can do this, you 
can and you will for Kisa's sake.


Talk to your vet about injectable steroids and transdermal appetite 
stimulants.  If Kisa is vomiting, then she would probably benefit from 
some sort of anti-nausea med as well.  Get her meds in forms that don't 
have to be administered by mouth to lessen the stress and possibility of 
them not staying down.  I don't know if it's appropriate, but you might 
want to ask your vet about different steroids like dex or depro.  Depro is 
longer acting and dex is fast acting.  It was nothing short of amazing how 
much better my Spencer felt, (and ate), after starting small dose daily 
dex shots subq at home. Are you giving Kisa subq fluids at home? 
Sometimes fluids can make them feel better all by themselves.  If she 
starts feeling better, she's liable to start eating better.


Has your vet consulted with or have you brought Kisa to an oncologist?  I 
get it about the money factor too.  Sometimes all we can do does not 
include the heavy financial costs involved with specialists.  It sucks, 
but that's the way it is sometimes.  Just do the best you can with the 
resources you've got.  Ask trusted vets to use their intuition and to 
suggest, based on their experience, the most cost effective treatment 
plans.

Please keep us informed, we're all pulling for you guys,
Nina

C & J wrote:

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.
 She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of 
lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly 
lymphosarcoma.
 The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver 
is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this 
though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised.
 They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure 
how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. 
They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe 
regain some appetite.
 I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten 
since Saturday night now.
 I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I watched 
Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon as he started 
getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died. 
Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active 
cat to death's door.  I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda 
being gone, now its another crisis situation.
 This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 
12 years.
 I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I 
was away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now is almost 
worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder if 
something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food).  I've 
always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them to get run over by 
a car, e

Re: To Pam

[Sherry DeHaan]

i'm happy you liked it!!!

Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Great group! And a vet founded it? Wow! 
And you're inj Michigan? I'm 
in Wisconsin

I'm bookmarking it.

Pam

Sherry DeHaan wrote:
> Here is the website so you can read the story,
> 
> http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/crashslanding.html
> 
>
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Re: Update on Kisa

[C & J]

Belinda,

Is Buddie FeLV+, and what happened after the diagnosis?  Did you do 
chemotherapy or anything like that?


My vet didn't even mention an ultrasound, but they did send a blood sample 
away to be analyzed a little more in depth.  They might be able to say more 
about what sort of liver problem it is.


As for the syringe feeding, i'm not going to be able to get 5 oz into her. 
She didn't even eat that much food when she was healthy and racing around 
the house carrying her little stuffed bear.


I did try force feeding her tonight tho, and so far i've gotten about 30cc's 
into her (and in my hair, and everywhere else).  She sure doesn't like it 
though, and i've got a couple of deep scratches to prove it.


I'll try some more a little later.  Hopefully her liver can handle the food. 
I guess if it can't, then there's not alot we can do.


Cassandra


- Original Message - 
From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: Update on Kisa



Cassandra,
  This is exactly what Buddie had and they diagnosed it with an ultra 
sound and did biopsies while doing that.  They did get a sample that 
contained cancer cells.  Maybe they could try getting a biopsy that way.


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Re: To Pam

[Pam Norman]

Great group! And a vet founded it?  Wow!  And you're inj Michigan?  I'm 
in Wisconsin


I'm bookmarking it.

Pam

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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Pam Norman]

I'm sorry. Didn't mean to bring up memories of sad times. 


Pam

Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:

She actually picked it up in a nursing home, and it lasted for months as
I remember.  I think her poor bowels were already compromised by another
bug she had when she went in there.  I don't think she was on any
specific diet, just nursing home food (in fact at one point she
mentioned getting sauerkraut as a side dish, which I thought
wasill-advised).  I don't remember what meds she was getting either,
sorry.  It was all part of a very sad spiral in her health and her life,
and I guess I've sorta blocked the details. ;-)

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement

Diane,

How was it "cured"?  How long did she have it?  Was she on a special 
diet?  I'd really like to hear more. Every bit of information is 
helpful. It is just an awful bug.  Changes one's life.


Pam

Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:
  

My mother had Cdiff for a while, and it was pure misery.  You have my
sympathies.

Diane R. 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement

I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite & next thing I knew I was 
deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost  30 pounds in 3 
months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin

& 
  
am still on it  8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum 
antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary & even then I will be 
sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own, & a 
semi-feral colony of 4.  I honestly don't know what is worse, an 
untreated cat bite or Cdiff. 


Pam

Kelly L wrote:
  


At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:




  

 Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing



  
i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started 
antibiotics
  


Kelly


  
Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to the 
dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I had 
surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
(supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail bed 
they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was very 
infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these "bugs" can



  
get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am not saying 
this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye 
on the situation.  Your cats value you much too much to let you


spend
  
  

  


too much time at a hospital.






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will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
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- Original Message - From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


  

Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird,
  


  

a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes
  

from
  

  
  


the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the
  


  
cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i 
could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now 
what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with 
out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did
  

not
  

  
  


want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a
  

few
  

  
  


cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet
  

and
  

  
  

scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left 
only 4 more,

I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived
  

a
  

  
  

few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to 
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and
  


  
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
Several very deep bites but I got her out,

Well we got the snake out and once in the light it 

Re: Update on Kisa

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Baby food is good, tho because it is all protein.  You could add a  
few drops of fish oil to that.  It's nice and smelly, yum yum.


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 23, 2007, at 8:04 AM, Marissa Johnson wrote:

Oh Cassandra.  This is so hard!  I wish I had some information that  
would be helfpul but all I can say is that we've all been there and  
know how hard it is to lose a precious baby...especially so soon  
after losing one.


I agree with Belinda...you've GOT to get food into her ASAP.  You  
can syringe A/D or try KMR.  Even baby food would be better than  
nothing at this point (though it's not as well balanced as  
something like A/D).


We all know about the financial strain as well.  Someone sent a  
list of places that can offer some help once.  Maybe you could  
check the archives or whoever that was could resend?


Know that we're all praying and sending GLOW to you and Kisa and  
hoping things will turn around!  Hang in there!


*hugs*

Marissa, Mouse, Georgia, Angel Slinky >^..^<

Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Not eating is definitely affecting her liver, I wouldn't be surprised
if Fatty liver is raising it's uplgy head, you've got to get food into
her or she will die. You've got to get enough food into her not a bite
or two but a minimum of a 5 oz can of food. Syringe feeding is  
going to

be the only way to do that. Wrap her in a towel if you have to but get
food into her.

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Re: on the subject of pee (long)

[Del H. Daniels]

Fortunately I have only have to deal with the urine and not the pooping 
(rarely) ... lots of peeing.  I don't have any great advice for it but I have a 
"few" cats.  However, on the fearful subject, I have had good luck with 
Elavil/Amytriptiline (sp) and condos.  My pissers stay in their condos at night 
which eliminates peeing the house at night and harassing the quiet ones.  
Elavil has helped the fearful anxious ones calm down and socialize better ... 
after a time they come off it and do okay.  It helped Daisy get used to eating 
in a condo due to her special diet; Occi calmed down and stopped trying to kill 
Minnie Luisa.  Minnie Luisa (pees) years later became upset with being in her 
condo at night, now 1/4 pill p.m. keeps her calmed. She's a squaller when any 
of the cats look at her and does much less with the Elavil.  she should be an 
only cat - no chance of that in this house.  With 1/2 pill twice daily she is 
quite sociable otherwise prefers to sleep under the bed during the day.  I had 
not thought of trying a low dose of Benadry for anxiety.  

Del  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rosenfeldt, Diane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:08 AM
  Subject: OT: on the subject of pee (long)


  My housemate and I are having a new and interesting problem with our Doyle.  
We've had him about 2 years and this has just started.

  Doyle is the youngest (he might be 3) and most recently acquired, and as 
befits his lowly position in the pecking order, he defers to everybody, despite 
the fact that he's bigger than most everybody and has all his claws.  And the 
others really take advantage -- even my laid-back Luc delights in rousting him 
from his safety zones (the kitchen table and window sill).

  Several months ago, finding some pee and poop on the kitchen floor, we put a 
small litterbox under the kitchen table so Doyle wouldn't have to make the 
pilgrimage across the kitchen and into the next room in order to do his 
business (and we put small bowls of food and water on the table so he wouldn't 
have to venture far for those either).  That worked for a while, but then of 
course EVERYBODY started using this tiny box so of course then things started 
appearing outside of it.  A few times there was pee that had, due to our floors 
being 86 years old, run under our microwave stand/storage cabinet and into the 
corner.  After having to move stuff a few times to clean this up, my housemate 
decided to move the cabinet out to where the table was and put the table in the 
corner so it would be easier to move.  We don't eat at the table anyway so that 
seemed like a good idea.  We also hoped Doyle would feel more protected with 
his box in a corner.  

  At the same time, every night when we're watching TV we try to bring him into 
the living room for a while.  He's such a loving little guy, we feel terrible 
with him stuck in the kitchen out of fear all the time.  Sometimes he'll stay 
for a while (he likes to be on your lap, and if you cover him so he can't see 
the others he'll sit for a long time) but he eventually makes a break for the 
safety of the kitchen.  Last week we bought a refill for our long-unused 
Feliway diffuser and put it centrally in the living room, and have been dosing 
his water with Good Cat as well, hoping to make the living room more welcoming 
to him (and de-escalating the territoriality of the others) and take the edge 
off his fear.

  Now he has started peeing and pooping on the windowsill.  We have a 
chest-high sideways slider in the kitchen, and the pee collects in the track, 
and sometimes the poop marinates in it.  I'm usually pretty stoic about cat 
stuff, but I cleaned up my first "incident" yesterday (housemate had already 
done a couple) and I nearly gagged from the smell.  In desperation, this 
morning my housemate put him in the spare room where we kept him for a while 
when we first got him, hoping he'll enjoy the peace and quiet.  I hate to 
reconfine him, and that room really isn't conducive to us hanging out with him 
in there right now, but we do need to break this cycle of behavior.  I'm 
wondering if he'd like being in there during the day (when I'm gone and my 
housemate is sleeping) and just coming out at night.

  I think we need to get some Feliway spray to augment the diffuser, and maybe 
spray it -- where? on the sill, after we give it the scouring of its life?  
According to the website, the theory is that they won't pee or scratch where 
the Feliway is, right?  The stuff is so damn expensive (when we went to Petco 
for the refill, it was in a locked cabinet and the person who opened it brought 
the refill to the checkout, wouldn't let us touch it till paid for, which 
cracked me up) I hate to buy even more of it if we're not sure it's working.  

  Any advice would be deeply appreciated!

  Diane R.



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Nathaniel Please add to the CLS :(

[Sherry DeHaan]

Jen just e-mail us that sweet Nate Nate has lost his battle with a blood 
parasite that was making him anemic.He was a sweet tiger boy with white feet.I 
will miss him very much. :(
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[Fwd: New Ad 11729 Posted: LOVERBOY: We only have a few days]

[Belinda]

  Anyone have any contacts in or around Indiana:

 Original Message 
Subject:New Ad 11729 Posted: LOVERBOY: We only have a few days
Date:   Wed, 23 May 2007 10:35:15 -0700 (PDT)
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]


A new ad has been posted to the Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens (default) 
web site. The ad information is as follows.

===
THIS AD WAS POSTED BY
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Name: Val Collins (Val12345)
Location: Goshen, IN Indiana
Phone: 574-537-0782
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Category: FIV+ Cats/Kittens
Ad Expires: 22-Jun-2007

===
AD DETAILS
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Headline: LOVERBOY: We only have a few days
Breed: DSH
Age: 1 or 2 yrs
Weight: BIG!
Adoption Fee: Negotiable
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RE: OT: on the subject of pee (long) - kitty condo

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

OMG, how cute is that pink one
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: on the subject of pee (long) - kitty condo


Hi Pam,
Here's the link to the kitty condo I got recently.  It was actually $89
bucks plus shipping.  I got it from Petedge.com.  Phaewryn had posted
the site to the ot list and MC commented on the condo, (so I figured it
had to be a good one).  I'm very pleased with it.  It folds for easy
storage too.  I'm sorry I chickened out and got the black one instead of
the pink one :-) .

http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=4851&itemT
ype=PRODUCT&iMainCat=0&iSubCat=0&iSubSubCat=0&iProductID=4851&AS=1
 

Pam Norman wrote: 

Nina, where did you get the rollaway kitty condo? 

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Re: OT: on the subject of pee (long) - kitty condo

[Nina]

Hi Pam,
Here's the link to the kitty condo I got recently.  It was actually $89 
bucks plus shipping.  I got it from Petedge.com.  Phaewryn had posted 
the site to the ot list and MC commented on the condo, (so I figured it 
had to be a good one).  I'm very pleased with it.  It folds for easy 
storage too.  I'm sorry I chickened out and got the black one instead of 
the pink one :-) .


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Pam Norman wrote:

Nina, where did you get the rollaway kitty condo?

Pam

Re: Update on Kisa

[Nina]

I can completely understand how overwhelmed and disheartened you must 
feel right now Cassandra.  You need to shake that off if you can.  
Concentrate instead on keeping your spirits up and doing everything 
possible to help Kisa feel more comfortable and regain her health.  Who 
knows why these things seem to come out of nowhere and heap themselves 
one on top of the other.  I too had years of healthy "no problem" 
animals and then boom!  One after the other started falling ill to 
things I'd never even heard of before.  Instead of wondering 'why', or 
even wondering 'why now', be thankful for all those wonderful years of 
blissful ignorance.  One obstacle at a time, one day at a time.  
Celebrate every little success and esp celebrate every moment you have 
with your loved ones.  You can do this, you can and you will for Kisa's 
sake.


Talk to your vet about injectable steroids and transdermal appetite 
stimulants.  If Kisa is vomiting, then she would probably benefit from 
some sort of anti-nausea med as well.  Get her meds in forms that don't 
have to be administered by mouth to lessen the stress and possibility of 
them not staying down.  I don't know if it's appropriate, but you might 
want to ask your vet about different steroids like dex or depro.  Depro 
is longer acting and dex is fast acting.  It was nothing short of 
amazing how much better my Spencer felt, (and ate), after starting small 
dose daily dex shots subq at home. Are you giving Kisa subq fluids at 
home?  Sometimes fluids can make them feel better all by themselves.  If 
she starts feeling better, she's liable to start eating better.


Has your vet consulted with or have you brought Kisa to an oncologist?  
I get it about the money factor too.  Sometimes all we can do does not 
include the heavy financial costs involved with specialists.  It sucks, 
but that's the way it is sometimes.  Just do the best you can with the 
resources you've got.  Ask trusted vets to use their intuition and to 
suggest, based on their experience, the most cost effective treatment 
plans. 


Please keep us informed, we're all pulling for you guys,
Nina

C & J wrote:

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.
 
She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of 
lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly 
lymphosarcoma.
 
The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver 
is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing 
this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised.
 
They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not 
sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so 
easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better 
and maybe regain some appetite.
 
I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten 
since Saturday night now.
 
I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I watched 
Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon as he started 
getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and 
died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy 
and active cat to death's door.  I haven't even had enough time to get 
used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation.
 
This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats 
for 12 years.
 
I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I 
was away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now is almost 
worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder 
if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food).  
I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them to get run 
over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors.
 
Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, 
both emotionally and financially.
 
Cassandra

Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee

[Beth Noren]

I love having 5, though our ordinance is for 3.  Silly, because we are
allowed up to
3 dogs as well, which would make six total.  Guess I'll just count the "play
fetch"
kitties as dogs...

:o)
Beth


On 5/22/07, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


i always liked five.. tho i can barely remember that far back.


On 5/22/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> Ha!  I told her that!  I even have another tuxedo cat that would fit in
> nicely with her color scheme, (both Tux and Sam are tuxies).  Connie's not
> going for it though.  I think it's a great idea.  I remember reading
> somewhere that the perfect number for cat dynamics is something like 5 or 6
> cats.  I'm perfectly happy to accommodate her with meeting that quota, but
> she's hesitant for some reason :-) .
> N
>
> Susan Hoffman wrote:
>
> Throw in a third cat?  That will alter the dynamic.
>
> *Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of contacting the fire department to see if I can lease one
> of those airplanes that dump water/chemicals on fires.  I could fill the
> hold with anti-stink and have them dump it on my house.
>
> My sister has all of two cats and one of them climbed on her table
> yesterday and while Connie watched in horror. squatted and peed in her very
> expensive, (well previously expensive) purse.  Of course this is a rescue
> kitty that I begged her to adopt from me.  She loves Sammy, he's a sweet,
> sweet boy that cuddles under the covers with her at night, but she's been
> asking me what to do about this and I'm running out of ideas.  This is the
> third time he's done his inappropriate urinating in the last couple of
> months.  The first time was in one of those cardboard scratching boxes on
> the floor, the second was in my dad's backpack while he was visiting, and
> now the purse that Tux treats like his mother, (Tux has been known to seek
> out this purse and rub and nurse on it).  She's already taken Sam to the vet
> for a check up and urinalysis; he's healthy as can be.  She's added
> additional litter boxes.  That seemed to help for a little while and he uses
> them most of the time.  The two cats get along for the most part, but Sammy
> is older and they do sometimes scuffle when Tux becomes too energetic.  (You
> may remember Tux as the kitty that gave us all a scare when he went missing
> for 3 days and ended up being locked in the attached garage the entire
> time).  I'm pretty sure this has something to do with the dynamic between
> the two cats, (Sam is Connie's cat and Tux is more bonded to her son
> Justin), or at least some sort of territorial/jealousy thing.  I suggested
> keeping Sam confined to her bedroom for a couple of days to see if he
> appreciates the alone time, and a litter box that is not contaminated with
> Tux smells.  I thought she could try that at least when she's not home, but
> she doesn't want to segregate Sam.  Sam used to be an indoor/outdoor cat
> that never used litter in the house.  I'm wondering if the problems would
> stop if he had access to the outside, but Connie lives in coyote country.  I
> suggested a trip to Home Depot to construct an attached outdoor habitat, but
> she thinks that's extreme.  Ha!  She don't know extreme!  Anyone have any
> suggestions?
> N
>
>


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RE: Great Snake evening excitement

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

She actually picked it up in a nursing home, and it lasted for months as
I remember.  I think her poor bowels were already compromised by another
bug she had when she went in there.  I don't think she was on any
specific diet, just nursing home food (in fact at one point she
mentioned getting sauerkraut as a side dish, which I thought
wasill-advised).  I don't remember what meds she was getting either,
sorry.  It was all part of a very sad spiral in her health and her life,
and I guess I've sorta blocked the details. ;-)

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement

Diane,

How was it "cured"?  How long did she have it?  Was she on a special 
diet?  I'd really like to hear more. Every bit of information is 
helpful. It is just an awful bug.  Changes one's life.

Pam

Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:
> My mother had Cdiff for a while, and it was pure misery.  You have my
> sympathies.
>
> Diane R. 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:49 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement
>
> I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite & next thing I knew I was 
> deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost  30 pounds in 3 
> months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin
& 
> am still on it  8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum 
> antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary & even then I will be 
> sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own, & a 
> semi-feral colony of 4.  I honestly don't know what is worse, an 
> untreated cat bite or Cdiff. 
>
> Pam
>
> Kelly L wrote:
>   
>> At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>>  Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing

>>> i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started 
>>> antibiotics
>>>   
>> Kelly
>>
>> 
>>> Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
>>> have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to the 
>>> dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I had 
>>> surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
>>> (supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
>>> very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail bed 
>>> they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was very 
>>> infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these "bugs" can

>>> get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am not saying 
>>> this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye 
>>> on the situation.  Your cats value you much too much to let you
spend
>>>   
>
>   
>>> too much time at a hospital.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have men who 
>>> will exclude any of God's creatures
>>> from the shelter of 
>>> compassion and pity, you will have men who
>>> will deal likewise 
>>> with their fellow man.
>>>  St.

>>> Francis
>>> - Original Message - From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Cc: 
>>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
>>> Subject: Great Snake evening excitement
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
 curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird,

 a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes
from
 
>
>   
 the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the

 cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i 
 could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now 
 what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with 
 out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did
not
 
>
>   
 want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a
few
 
>
>   
 cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet
and
 
>
>   
 scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left 
 only 4 more,
 I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived
a
 
>
>   
 few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to 
 get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and

 was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
 Several very deep bites but I got her out,
 Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like

 a poor little scared gopher snake so we took hi

Re: Update on Kisa

[Precious Pets, Almost Home]

Cassandra,

You may want to approach your vet if you can use 
injectable famotodine for the vomiting.  Also, the
Baytril comes in injectable form as well.  If she is
not keeping food down, she is not going to keep the
medication down either.

I am so sorry that you and your cats are having such a
rough patch!  I hope everything works out!

Sincerely,

Precious Pets


--- C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking
> good for Kisa.
> 
> She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and
> elevated number of lymphocytes.  Therefore they
> believe she has a liver disease, possibly
> lymphosarcoma.
> 
> The only way they can tell for sure what the problem
> is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means
> surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though
> because of the FeLV and her immune system being
> compromised.
> 
> They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though
> i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those
> down when she is vomiting so easily.  They're hoping
> the steroid will make her feel a little better and
> maybe regain some appetite.
> 
> I've really got to try and get her to eat something,
> she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now.
> 
> I don't understand why this is all happening at
> once.  First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker
> for nearly 2 months.  As soon as he started getting
> better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure,
> and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from
> being a super healthy and active cat to death's
> door.  I haven't even had enough time to get used to
> Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation.
> 
> This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy,
> and active cats for 12 years.
> 
> I used to think how awful it would be if my house
> burned down while I was away and my 5 cats were
> inside.  What is happening now is almost worse than
> that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to
> wonder if something I am doing is causing all this
> (like feeding raw food).  I've always kept my cats
> indoors because I didn't want them to get run over
> by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer
> indoors.
> 
> Sorry for venting on you all, its just really
> starting to affect me, both emotionally and
> financially.
> 
> Cassandra


 

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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

[Pam Norman]

Diane,

How was it "cured"?  How long did she have it?  Was she on a special 
diet?  I'd really like to hear more. Every bit of information is 
helpful. It is just an awful bug.  Changes one's life.


Pam

Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:

My mother had Cdiff for a while, and it was pure misery.  You have my
sympathies.

Diane R. 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement

I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite & next thing I knew I was 
deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost  30 pounds in 3 
months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin & 
am still on it  8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum 
antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary & even then I will be 
sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own, & a 
semi-feral colony of 4.  I honestly don't know what is worse, an 
untreated cat bite or Cdiff. 


Pam

Kelly L wrote:
  

At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:




 Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing  
i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started 
antibiotics
  

Kelly


Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to the 
dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I had 
surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
(supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail bed 
they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was very 
infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these "bugs" can 
get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am not saying 
this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye 
on the situation.  Your cats value you much too much to let you spend
  


  

too much time at a hospital.






If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis

- Original Message - From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


  
Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, 
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from



  
the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the 
cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i 
could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now 
what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with 
out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not



  

want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few



  

cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and



  
scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left 
only 4 more,

I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a



  
few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to 
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and 
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like 
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the 
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see 
him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake 
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each



  
day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just 
commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly





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Re: Update on Kisa

[Pam Norman]

Food is very very important. Cats cannot go without food for very long 
without running the risk of feline hepatic lipidosis which is what you 
do NOT want to have to deal with on top of everything else.  You must 
get her to eat a good high calorie diet whether you finger feed, 
spoonfeed, syringe feed.  There is is a wonderful Assisted Feeding list 
on yahoogroups & I strongly urge you to join it. I cannot emphasize too 
strongly the importance of her eating. A teaspoon here & there won't do 
it. She has to have a full calorie regimen EVERY day!


Pam

Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote:
Oh, Cassandra, what an incredible bummer.  I guess livers don't get 
needle biopsies, huh?  Also, I wonder why they didn't give her an 
anti-nausea pill or liquid if she hasn't eaten since Saturday.  Do you 
know a veterinary oncologist?  They truly make a big difference.


You must feel just overwhelmed.  Believe me, we've all been there and 
we're all praying for little Kisa.


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


On May 22, 2007, at 8:20 PM, C & J wrote:


Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.
 
She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of 
lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, 
possibly lymphosarcoma.
 
The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her 
liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest 
doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being 
compromised.
 
They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not 
sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so 
easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little 
better and maybe regain some appetite.
 
I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten 
since Saturday night now.
 
I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I 
watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon as 
he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver 
failure, and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a 
super healthy and active cat to death's door.  I haven't even had 
enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis 
situation.
 
This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats 
for 12 years.
 
I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I 
was away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now is almost 
worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder 
if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food).  
I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them to get 
run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors.
 
Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, 
both emotionally and financially.
 
Cassandra

Re: Benjamin and Sasquatch

[Pam Norman]

Where is it? And where did the name come from?

Pam

Sherry DeHaan wrote:
 
It is called Crash's Landing and Sids.Sids is the felv and fiv 
kitties.And Crash's is where the 100 or more disease free kitties 
are.I volunteer at both.And love them ALL!! :)


*/Pam Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

Where is your sanctuary? Does it have a name? Wonderful that you are
taking care of so many.

Pam

Sherry DeHaan wrote:
> Hi Pam,I know Dr.Jen is going to try what she can.These 2 are a
couple
> of our 88 sanctuary kitties.They are fiv and felv. So it would be
> pretty hard to feed them special foods.Unless someone takes them
home
> to take extra care for them.Which she does if she can.Thank you soo
> much for your info.
> Sherry
>
> */Pam Norman /* wrote:
>
> Sherry,
>
> IBD can be treated with a change in diet. Elimination of all dry
> food &
> switch to an IBD diet - in my Paddy's case it's Royal
Canin's
> Duck & Green Pea or Venison & Green Pea. Paddy was also on
> prednisolone
> for quite a while but he's ok now. Still eats that food & is on
a low
> maintenance dose of the predniosolone primarily for lumbarsacral
> arthritis. He's 22.
>
> An intestinal cancer could be detected perhaps by ultrasound &/or
> xray.
> Can she feel anything?: Some vets are able to palpate to feel
> thickened
> intestinal walls which is indicative of both IBD & GI lymphoma.
>
> What you have so far is not a sufficient diagnosis to be making any
> decisions. You need the vet to be more specific. Yes, it is hard to
> diagnose IBD & lymphoma but I would not give up on them at all at
> this
> point without further diagnostic work.
>
> Pam
>
> Sherry DeHaan wrote:
> > Hi everyone,once again I need to ask for good thoughts and
> prayers for
> > these sweet boys.Benjamin is a sweet loving black boy and
> Sasquatch is
> > a sweet loving gray boy.Dr. Jen thinks they both might have some
> form
> > of Irritable bowel problems.Or worse intestinal cancer.She has the
> > hospitalized and is doing all that she can to get them feeling
> better
> > again.So please add them both to your prayers and thank you for
> being
> > my support group.
> > Sherry
> >
> >
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RE: Great Snake evening excitement

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

My mother had Cdiff for a while, and it was pure misery.  You have my
sympathies.

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement

I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite & next thing I knew I was 
deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost  30 pounds in 3 
months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin & 
am still on it  8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum 
antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary & even then I will be 
sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own, & a 
semi-feral colony of 4.  I honestly don't know what is worse, an 
untreated cat bite or Cdiff. 

Pam

Kelly L wrote:
> At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:
>
>
>
>>  Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing  
>> i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started 
>> antibiotics
>
> Kelly
>
>> Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
>> have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to the 
>> dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I had 
>> surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
>> (supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
>> very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail bed 
>> they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was very 
>> infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these "bugs" can 
>> get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am not saying 
>> this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye 
>> on the situation.  Your cats value you much too much to let you spend

>> too much time at a hospital.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have men who 
>> will exclude any of God's creatures
>> from the shelter of 
>> compassion and pity, you will have men who
>> will deal likewise 
>> with their fellow man.
>>  St. 
>> Francis
>> - Original Message - From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
>> Subject: Great Snake evening excitement
>>
>>
>>> Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
>>> curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, 
>>> a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from

>>> the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the 
>>> cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i 
>>> could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now 
>>> what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with 
>>> out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not

>>> want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few

>>> cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and

>>> scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left 
>>> only 4 more,
>>> I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a

>>> few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to 
>>> get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and 
>>> was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
>>> Several very deep bites but I got her out,
>>> Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like 
>>> a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the 
>>> vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see 
>>> him,,,
>>> the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake 
>>> in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
>>> What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
>>> palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each

>>> day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just 
>>> commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>
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Re: Update on Kisa

[Marissa Johnson]

Oh Cassandra.  This is so hard!  I wish I had some information that would be 
helfpul but all I can say is that we've all been there and know how hard it is 
to lose a precious baby...especially so soon after losing one.
   
  I agree with Belinda...you've GOT to get food into her ASAP.  You can syringe 
A/D or try KMR.  Even baby food would be better than nothing at this point 
(though it's not as well balanced as something like A/D).  
   
  We all know about the financial strain as well.  Someone sent a list of 
places that can offer some help once.  Maybe you could check the archives or 
whoever that was could resend?  
   
  Know that we're all praying and sending GLOW to you and Kisa and hoping 
things will turn around!  Hang in there!
   
  *hugs*
   
  Marissa, Mouse, Georgia, Angel Slinky >^..^<

Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Not eating is definitely affecting her liver, I wouldn't be surprised 
if Fatty liver is raising it's uplgy head, you've got to get food into 
her or she will die. You've got to get enough food into her not a bite 
or two but a minimum of a 5 oz can of food. Syringe feeding is going to 
be the only way to do that. Wrap her in a towel if you have to but get 
food into her.

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Re: Update on Kisa

[Belinda]

  Not eating is definitely affecting her liver, I wouldn't be surprised 
if Fatty liver is raising it's uplgy head, you've got to get food into 
her or she will die.  You've got to get enough food into her not a bite 
or two but a minimum of a 5 oz can of food.  Syringe feeding is going to 
be the only way to do that.  Wrap her in a towel if you have to but get 
food into her.


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Re: Update on Kisa

[Belinda]

Cassandra,
  This is exactly what Buddie had and they diagnosed it with an ultra 
sound and did biopsies while doing that.  They did get a sample that 
contained cancer cells.  Maybe they could try getting a biopsy that way.


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