Re: Thank you for your kind words
Wendy, I believe it was me who wrote you off-list.. No worry, I am not offended in the least,, And, I have not been on-line for awhile, so I did not see your original post seeking reply. Hugs, Patti her gang ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
Dear Cassandra, Please know that I am sending my deepest sympathy to you your husband. What a heart breaking time you have had... Words can't even convey my feelings for your losses... Much love, Patti ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: just beginning
Wow, Marylyn, that's an impressive diet! What a lucky girl she is... :) Right now I have to depend on high quality foods that I can get @ the store, like the ones I mentioned. I have 4 felv+ cats, many other rescue cats (I do Siamese rescue) that have come to me w/ chronic health problems (3 of which are on Zithromax permanently for chronic URI, thanks godoess it's only every 3 day), and I also maintain several feral colonies. Several of my rescues have behavioral problems also, meaning, I spend a lot of time washing the litterbox areas in the cattery the kitty room. Plus I have my own business. Someday I would love to be able to spend more time preparing all of their meals. Do you mind if I crosspost your diet to a few friends of mine that also have felv+ cats? That is a wonderful idea about writting your memories down. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: just beginning Repeating myself re Dixie's diet which seems to be working great for her: She gets Transfer Factor, Just Born, a supplement Dr. Boswell fixed for FeLV+, lots of high vitamin c veggies (carrots, spinach, broccoli, green beans and peas) ground up and mixed with Primal Raw, Fast Track and various probiotics, Lysine, Interferon (oral every other day), Barley Cat and now Sheep's yogurt. Obviously she doesn't get every thing every day. A lot depends on what is going on with her and what just feels right at the time. She eats 2-3 times a day and really has surprised me with the veggies and yogurt. This girl eats better than I do. I use Brush Away on her teeth (almost daily). She is wonderfully happy and healthy and I look forward to many years with her. She has been with me over 2 years and is probably around 5 years old. She is a throw-away so no one is sure of anythingjust that she is marvelous and amazingly grateful for anything you give her. An idea if you can handle it: Start writing Monkee stories and emailing them to yourself and/or your friends so you will always have all the wonderful memories. The purrs, how Monkee got the name, how he came into your life, litter training.. all those things that tend to disappear from the mind when it is totally stressed as yours is. This may help you clear your own mind and get very close to Monkee. It will definitely help to read and re-read them when, hopefully a very long time from now, Monkee leaves this world. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:12 PM Subject: Re: just beginning I have to agree w/ your comments about chemo. I think that it is a decision left within the family, and there should be no judgement as to what is decided. No one knows your cat better than yourself, and if you listen to what they are saying to you, you will know the right thing to do in your heart. Every morning I put Lysine in my 4 felv+ cats moist food, and I sprinkle Brewer's Yeast on top of their dry food. As far as dry food they only get Wellness Core mixed half half w/ Innova Evo, and for now, this combination seems to be working for them. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: Re: just beginning A comment on chemo: The Royal Princess Kitty Katt (not FeLV+) had a cancer that spread and was vicious. The specialists were very insistent on chemo. I went to my vets and we had a very long hard talk
Re: just beginning
Marylyn and Susan: Thanks for the kind words and support from both of you. I feel like such a novice in this area. I think I pretty much lived in denial for four years thinking that Monkee was such a healthy, tough kitty that he would shake off his FeLV. In fact, I was going to have him re-tested this summer, but then I found the tumor in the Spring. I have printed your posts because it is a lot of information for me to wade through and with the help of my mother, we have to talk and think it through together. As far as writing down memories go, I have always done that! I am a storyteller who is obsessed with my cat who is personality plus so I have always sent emails to my friends and family telling them "Monkee stories." So, I have an email record, which is good to have. And I fully encourage other people to try this too. If you write well enough, you may find that even non-cat lovers will laugh at your emailed stories! I guess Monkee and I just have some care-giving growing pains to get through now. But at least since I have joined this group, I don't feel so isolated and clueless, so thank you for your help and advice. From: "Susan Dubose" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: just beginningDate: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:00:37 -0500 Wow, Marylyn, that's an impressive diet! What a lucky girl she is... :) Right now I have to depend on high quality foods that I can get @ the store, like the ones I mentioned. I have 4 felv+ cats, many other rescue cats (I do Siamese rescue) that have come to me w/ chronic health problems (3 of which are on Zithromax permanently for chronic URI, thanks godoess it's only every 3 day), and I also maintain several feral colonies. Several of my rescues have behavioral problems also, meaning, I spend a lot of time washing the litterbox areas in the cattery the kitty room. Plus I have my own business. Someday I would love to be able to spend more time preparing all of their meals. Do you mind if I crosspost your diet to a few friends of mine that also have felv+ cats? That is a wonderful idea about writting your memories down. Susan J. DuBose ^..^www.PetGirlsPetsitting.comwww.Tx.SiameseRescue.orgwww.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: just beginning Repeating myself re Dixie's diet which seems to be working great for her: She gets Transfer Factor, Just Born, a supplement Dr. Boswell fixed for FeLV+, lots of high vitamin c veggies (carrots, spinach, broccoli, green beans and peas) ground up and mixed with Primal Raw, Fast Track and various probiotics, Lysine, Interferon (oral every other day), Barley Cat and now Sheep's yogurt. Obviously she doesn't get every thing every day. A lot depends on what is going on with her and what just feels right at the time. She eats 2-3 times a day and really has surprised me with the veggies and yogurt. This girl eats better than I do.I use Brush Away on her teeth (almost daily). She is wonderfully happy and healthy and I look forward to many years with her. She has been with me over 2 years and is probably around 5 years old. She is a throw-away so no one is sure of anythingjust thatshe is marvelous and amazingly grateful for anything you give her. An idea if you can handle it: Start writing Monkee stories and emailing them to yourself and/or your friends so you will always have all the wonderful memories. The purrs, how Monkee got the name, how he came into your life, litter training.. all those things that tend to disappear from the mind when it is totally stressed as yours is. This may help you clear your own mind and get very close to Monkee. It will definitely help to read and re-read them when, hopefully a very long time from now, Monkee leaves this world. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:12 PM Subject: Re: just beginning I have to agree w/ your comments about chemo. I think that it is a decision left within the family, and there should be no judgement as to what is decided. No one knows your cat better than yourself, and if you listen to what they are saying to you, you will know the right thing to do in your heart. Every morning I put Lysine in my 4 felv+ cats moist food, and I sprinkle Brewer's Yeast on top of their dry food. As far as dry food theyonly get Wellness "Core" mixed half half w/ Innova "Evo", and for now, this combination seems to be working for them. Susan J. DuBose
Another Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident
Hi all, Wanted to update let you know my husband is home now. He has already went to the Dr. had his dressing change. He is wearing a temporary cast until Thursday the 28th then the Dr will put on the regular cast. He has been cantankerous ole fart but is getting better. The Dr. is proud of how the surgeries have went. As long as my husband listens he should recover but he won't be 100% considering the damage the arm has suffered. I can tell you from experience when I was in nursing years ago his arm is doing well. The swelling has gone down quite a bit. Coloring of the arm is good even though it is bruised. The pain he has is from the surgery sight which is normal. It is also telling me he is starting to heal. He is using his fingers some which is the most important thing. His appetite is back and eating junk foods again...guess there are some things I can't change...lmao! I want to thank you all for your good thoughts and prayers! As we need them! I was recently told that I have lost some weight and aging somegeez can't imagine why...lmao That isn't too encouraging on the aging part! My luck has been horrible in the last year or so. It has just got to get better! This hasn't been easy. I always thought when you start growing older that things get better and easier...lmao! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
RE: Another Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident
Terrie, I'm so glad your husband is home and being a cantankerous ole fart. And that his arm see From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:24 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Another Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident Hi all, Wanted to update let you know my husband is home now. He has already went to the Dr. had his dressing change. He is wearing a temporary cast until Thursday the 28th then the Dr will put on the regular cast. He has been cantankerous ole fart but is getting better. The Dr. is proud of how the surgeries have went. As long as my husband listens he should recover but he won't be 100% considering the damage the arm has suffered. I can tell you from experience when I was in nursing years ago his arm is doing well. The swelling has gone down quite a bit. Coloring of the arm is good even though it is bruised. The pain he has is from the surgery sight which is normal. It is also telling me he is starting to heal. He is using his fingers some which is the most important thing. His appetite is back and eating junk foods again...guess there are some things I can't change...lmao! I want to thank you all for your good thoughts and prayers! As we need them! I was recently told that I have lost some weight and aging somegeez can't imagine why...lmao That isn't too encouraging on the aging part! My luck has been horrible in the last year or so. It has just got to get better! This hasn't been easy. I always thought when you start growing older that things get better and easier...lmao! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 . This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Another Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident
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RE: Another Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident
Oops, sorry, I hit some button that must mean send to my computer. I meant to say, Terrie, I'm so glad your husband is home and being a cantankerous ole fart. And that his arm seems to be doing well. I feel your pain regarding being told you look older. Saturday at the movies the ticket person gave me the senior discount without even asking. THAT hurt!! It really wasn't worth the 50 cents to find out I look over 55 (at least, I *am* over 55!) Here's hoping for a better year (for us all!) starting today! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:24 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Another Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident Hi all, Wanted to update let you know my husband is home now. He has already went to the Dr. had his dressing change. He is wearing a temporary cast until Thursday the 28th then the Dr will put on the regular cast. He has been cantankerous ole fart but is getting better. The Dr. is proud of how the surgeries have went. As long as my husband listens he should recover but he won't be 100% considering the damage the arm has suffered. I can tell you from experience when I was in nursing years ago his arm is doing well. The swelling has gone down quite a bit. Coloring of the arm is good even though it is bruised. The pain he has is from the surgery sight which is normal. It is also telling me he is starting to heal. He is using his fingers some which is the most important thing. His appetite is back and eating junk foods again...guess there are some things I can't change...lmao! I want to thank you all for your good thoughts and prayers! As we need them! I was recently told that I have lost some weight and aging somegeez can't imagine why...lmao That isn't too encouraging on the aging part! My luck has been horrible in the last year or so. It has just got to get better! This hasn't been easy. I always thought when you start growing older that things get better and easier...lmao! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 . This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: Another Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident
Great news Terri! I hope everything is smooth-sailing from here on out! I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:24 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Another Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident Hi all, Wanted to update let you know my husband is home now. He has already went to the Dr. had his dressing change. He is wearing a temporary cast until Thursday the 28th then the Dr will put on the regular cast. He has been cantankerous ole fart but is getting better. The Dr. is proud of how the surgeries have went. As long as my husband listens he should recover but he won't be 100% considering the damage the arm has suffered. I can tell you from experience when I was in nursing years ago his arm is doing well. The swelling has gone down quite a bit. Coloring of the arm is good even though it is bruised. The pain he has is from the surgery sight which is normal. It is also telling me he is starting to heal. He is using his fingers some which is the most important thing. His appetite is back and eating junk foods again...guess there are some things I can't change...lmao! I want to thank you all for your good thoughts and prayers! As we need them! I was recently told that I have lost some weight and aging somegeez can't imagine why...lmao That isn't too encouraging on the aging part! My luck has been horrible in the last year or so. It has just got to get better! This hasn't been easy. I always thought when you start growing older that things get better and easier...lmao! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
Ki update
Ki seems to be a bit better. He is snacking on dry food. Won't eat wet unless it's raw chicken. Fever got down to 102.8 yesterday, and is back up to 103 this AM. At least he is out of the 104 range. I dunno. He could be a lot worse off as we all know. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
My daughter's kitty Big Red went to the bridge on Thursday/Cassandra
Cassandra, My heart feels for you Sweetie! I wish I could say something to help you ease the pain some. As we all know on this list it isn't easy when one passes to the bridge. Remember we are here for you whether you want to vent or just chat. On Thursday the 21st of June I had to tell my daughter to take her kitty (Big Red) to the Vet. He had been staying with us since she moved. Since he was the last of her animals and was comfortable living here told her he can live here of whatever time he may have left. He was one of those cats that had the million mile marks on him since he flew all over the world with her since he was a stray kitten. He has been vomiting and had diarrhea something fierce. Also, he hadn't been making it to the litter-box. She came and got him took him to my Vets they told her he didn't have any kidneys left. That he wasn't strong like he used to be. He had a huge frame like a Maine Coon I've seen him weigh 25 pounds easily. He was down to 8 pounds...nothing but skin and bones. He also had that hollow look to him as well. It was her choice on the decision. Very thin and had arthritis on hips big time. When he walked you could see the pain he was in. I worried about him breaking his hips when he jumped off the bed. He was my husband's sleeping partner for the last year. I told my husband I will not let him suffer anymore. He was about 15 years old. He was a long hair flaming red big kitty. My daughter told me that it only took less than 20 seconds for him to pass. That tells me he was ready to leave as he was very sick and fragile. He wasn't Felv. I buried him beside Sam, Dukee, Gutt, and Jake. I have buried 5 cats so far in the last year. As it looks like a Pet Cemetery now. God, this is tough. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
RE: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
Cassandra, I don't even know you or your husband, but I've been so sad for you today. I wish I could offer some words of comfort, but I know nothing can ease the pain right now. Just know that you have many friends here to turn to if you need someone to listen, or if you just want to grieve as you express love and pain for your lost babies. Melissa I sent you a card off-list to your email address; I hope you don't mind. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C J Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over. Cassandra
RE: My daughter's kitty Big Red went to the bridge on Thursday/Cassandra
Terrie -- Yes, it's very tough. Gentle Bridge vibes to Big Red, and hugs to those who love him. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: My daughter's kitty Big Red went to the bridge on Thursday/Cassandra Cassandra, My heart feels for you Sweetie! I wish I could say something to help you ease the pain some. As we all know on this list it isn't easy when one passes to the bridge. Remember we are here for you whether you want to vent or just chat. On Thursday the 21st of June I had to tell my daughter to take her kitty (Big Red) to the Vet. He had been staying with us since she moved. Since he was the last of her animals and was comfortable living here told her he can live here of whatever time he may have left. He was one of those cats that had the million mile marks on him since he flew all over the world with her since he was a stray kitten. He has been vomiting and had diarrhea something fierce. Also, he hadn't been making it to the litter-box. She came and got him took him to my Vets they told her he didn't have any kidneys left. That he wasn't strong like he used to be. He had a huge frame like a Maine Coon I've seen him weigh 25 pounds easily. He was down to 8 pounds...nothing but skin and bones. He also had that hollow look to him as well. It was her choice on the decision. Very thin and had arthritis on hips big time. When he walked you could see the pain he was in. I worried about him breaking his hips when he jumped off the bed. He was my husband's sleeping partner for the last year. I told my husband I will not let him suffer anymore. He was about 15 years old. He was a long hair flaming red big kitty. My daughter told me that it only took less than 20 seconds for him to pass. That tells me he was ready to leave as he was very sick and fragile. He wasn't Felv. I buried him beside Sam, Dukee, Gutt, and Jake. I have buried 5 cats so far in the last year. As it looks like a Pet Cemetery now. God, this is tough. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 . This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
Tomi may have had wet FIP at the end, I don't know, but he was very anemic as well. For the last week, his belly was swollen, and he was eating and drinking alot, but still getting thinner. Does that sound like FIP? I don't know where he would get that from. Not that it matters I suppose, because he just couldn't deal with the anemia by itself, nevermind FIP thrown in. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Hi Cassandra, I am sorry to hear about your recent loses, losing 3 cats so close together must have been very hard on you. Question, was Tomi's labored breathing panting due to his felv+ morphing into wet FIP? Susan - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/863 - Release Date: 6/23/2007 11:08 AM
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
I am so sorry about Tomi. It's very difficult to know now if he had FIP or not - there are lots of other causes for swollen belly than FIP - if you had done some lab work, I can probably take a look at and see if it was possibily FIP or not as I lost 8 kitties to FIP, I am somewhat familiar with diagnosis from the lab work. My guess is, if he was eating a lot towards his final days, it makes me doubt that it was FIP -- lots of FIP kitties become anaroxic and won't be able to eat.. but also there is an individual difference - so it's hard to tell.. this sounds terrible, but I did not notice that my Peter was even sick until three days before he passed away... and it was the same way for Olive and Simba-- it progressed that fast.. while others, we have the chance to fight together for a couple of months. And 6 out of 8 kitties I lost to FIP did suffer moderate anemia which had become more severe as the disease progressed to liver or kidney or neurologically. Hideyo - Original Message - From: C Jmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Tomi may have had wet FIP at the end, I don't know, but he was very anemic as well. For the last week, his belly was swollen, and he was eating and drinking alot, but still getting thinner. Does that sound like FIP? I don't know where he would get that from. Not that it matters I suppose, because he just couldn't deal with the anemia by itself, nevermind FIP thrown in. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubosemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Hi Cassandra, I am sorry to hear about your recent loses, losing 3 cats so close together must have been very hard on you. Question, was Tomi's labored breathing panting due to his felv+ morphing into wet FIP? Susan - Original Message - From: C Jmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over. Cassandra No virus found in this
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
Thank you all so much for your thoughts and prayers. Knowing there are people out there who truly understand and care without having ever met myself or my babies means so much to me. This is a link to a picture I made the first time Tomi was sick, and have since had printed and framed (Tomi is on the left, Kisa on the right): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpg . Now that they are both gone, I guess it is even more fitting. Here is another pic that I like of them: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/Kissing.jpg Today is still pretty tough for me. I still can hear Tomi's cries at the end, and it is breaking my heart. Everytime I think of it, I just feel like punching something. I felt so useless and terrified for him. I realize I lost my best friend after my husband yesterday. Even if we were to get another kitten or two one day, I don't think i'll ever have as close a bond again as I did with Tomi. I just wish he could have stayed for longer than the 2.5 years I had with him. My house feels so empty now. I can no longer give my little boy a good long hug when I feel upset. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/863 - Release Date: 6/23/2007 11:08 AM
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
Cassandra, I'm so very sorry for your loss. Kelley On 6/25/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all so much for your thoughts and prayers. Knowing there are people out there who truly understand and care without having ever met myself or my babies means so much to me. This is a link to a picture I made the first time Tomi was sick, and have since had printed and framed (Tomi is on the left, Kisa on the right): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpg . Now that they are both gone, I guess it is even more fitting. Here is another pic that I like of them: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/Kissing.jpg Today is still pretty tough for me. I still can hear Tomi's cries at the end, and it is breaking my heart. Everytime I think of it, I just feel like punching something. I felt so useless and terrified for him. I realize I lost my best friend after my husband yesterday. Even if we were to get another kitten or two one day, I don't think i'll ever have as close a bond again as I did with Tomi. I just wish he could have stayed for longer than the 2.5 years I had with him. My house feels so empty now. I can no longer give my little boy a good long hug when I feel upset. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over. Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/863 - Release Date: 6/23/2007 11:08 AM -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
Yes, it certainly sounds like wet FIP. All cats carry the corona virus, which can morph into FIP. It really just depends on genetics, age, (very young older cats) and on extenuating circumstance like being felv+. (immune compromised) There are 2 forms of FIP, the wet the dry. My first felv+ kitty, Serenity, passed away from wet FIP. Their belly begins to swell, to the point where it presses against their lungs and makes it hard for them to breath. Their belly actually accumulates fluid, and the vet can withdraw some for testing. Their backbone will become more prominent, also. Eventually w/ their swollen belly, breathing becomes labored and they will begin to pant towards the end. Also, you can watch their nostrils for a tiny flare', another way to tell they cannot breath. it is @ this time that you say good bye.. :(... I had to take Serenity to the emergency room to be PTS on a Sat. night on Thanksgiving weekend. Oh, it was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do. But you must remember, a compassionate dignfied death is one of the best gifts you can give these cats. There is no real test for FIP, w/ the exception of withdrawing the fluid fromt he belly for testing. And w/ dry FIP you cannot even do this. You can, however, have a necropacy (?) performed afterwards, however, if the cat is felv+, there is no point. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Tomi may have had wet FIP at the end, I don't know, but he was very anemic as well. For the last week, his belly was swollen, and he was eating and drinking alot, but still getting thinner. Does that sound like FIP? I don't know where he would get that from. Not that it matters I suppose, because he just couldn't deal with the anemia by itself, nevermind FIP thrown in. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Hi Cassandra, I am sorry to hear about your recent loses, losing 3 cats so close together must have been very hard on you. Question, was Tomi's labored breathing panting due to his felv+ morphing into wet FIP? Susan - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I
Re: My daughter's kitty Big Red went to the bridge onThursday/Cassandra
It is awful. However, please try to remember the wonderful gifts they have given you and how much your heart grows every time you love and care for one of these little ones. It is pure lovenot the kind many people exchange. Blessings to you and your daughter. Big Red has already been blessed by your care. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:21 AM Subject: RE: My daughter's kitty Big Red went to the bridge onThursday/Cassandra Terrie -- Yes, it's very tough. Gentle Bridge vibes to Big Red, and hugs to those who love him. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: My daughter's kitty Big Red went to the bridge on Thursday/Cassandra Cassandra, My heart feels for you Sweetie! I wish I could say something to help you ease the pain some. As we all know on this list it isn't easy when one passes to the bridge. Remember we are here for you whether you want to vent or just chat. On Thursday the 21st of June I had to tell my daughter to take her kitty (Big Red) to the Vet. He had been staying with us since she moved. Since he was the last of her animals and was comfortable living here told her he can live here of whatever time he may have left. He was one of those cats that had the million mile marks on him since he flew all over the world with her since he was a stray kitten. He has been vomiting and had diarrhea something fierce. Also, he hadn't been making it to the litter-box. She came and got him took him to my Vets they told her he didn't have any kidneys left. That he wasn't strong like he used to be. He had a huge frame like a Maine Coon I've seen him weigh 25 pounds easily. He was down to 8 pounds...nothing but skin and bones. He also had that hollow look to him as well. It was her choice on the decision. Very thin and had arthritis on hips big time. When he walked you could see the pain he was in. I worried about him breaking his hips when he jumped off the bed. He was my husband's sleeping partner for the last year. I told my husband I will not let him suffer anymore. He was about 15 years old. He was a long hair flaming red big kitty. My daughter told me that it only took less than 20 seconds for him to pass. That tells me he was ready to leave as he was very sick and fragile. He wasn't Felv. I buried him beside Sam, Dukee, Gutt, and Jake. I have buried 5 cats so far in the last year. As it looks like a Pet Cemetery now. God, this is tough. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at AOL.com. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: just beginning
Feel free. Just know that the Primal is bought in frozen cubes, the veggies are frozen organic and picked up at a good grocery and chopped in a little Black and Decker chopped and the others are powders just mixed in. Trust me. There is no great time spent on her meals. It is as easy or easier than opening cans and having to dispose of them (farm, too much wildlife to just pitch them in the garbage can). I love ferals and have had the privilege of having several as friends. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Ebony Thomas Katt were both feral. Have you tried the Feliway spray (not the plug in) in the litter box area? None of the ferals I have dealt with like scented litter (a big pain) and all liked the extra large Rubbermaid boxes as opposed to litter boxes. Dealing with these wonderful guys/gals is challenging. Dealing with colonies must be exhausting. Taking care of the ones that show up at my mother's is hard enough and that consists of food and water + spay and neuter mainly. Blessings be to you for all your work with them. One day, when you leave this world, you will find out how much they appreciated your kindness. - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: Re: just beginning Wow, Marylyn, that's an impressive diet! What a lucky girl she is... :) Right now I have to depend on high quality foods that I can get @ the store, like the ones I mentioned. I have 4 felv+ cats, many other rescue cats (I do Siamese rescue) that have come to me w/ chronic health problems (3 of which are on Zithromax permanently for chronic URI, thanks godoess it's only every 3 day), and I also maintain several feral colonies. Several of my rescues have behavioral problems also, meaning, I spend a lot of time washing the litterbox areas in the cattery the kitty room. Plus I have my own business. Someday I would love to be able to spend more time preparing all of their meals. Do you mind if I crosspost your diet to a few friends of mine that also have felv+ cats? That is a wonderful idea about writting your memories down. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: just beginning Repeating myself re Dixie's diet which seems to be working great for her: She gets Transfer Factor, Just Born, a supplement Dr. Boswell fixed for FeLV+, lots of high vitamin c veggies (carrots, spinach, broccoli, green beans and peas) ground up and mixed with Primal Raw, Fast Track and various probiotics, Lysine, Interferon (oral every other day), Barley Cat and now Sheep's yogurt. Obviously she doesn't get every thing every day. A lot depends on what is going on with her and what just feels right at the time. She eats 2-3 times a day and really has surprised me with the veggies and yogurt. This girl eats better than I do. I use Brush Away on her teeth (almost daily). She is wonderfully happy and healthy and I look forward to many years with her. She has been with me over 2 years and is probably around 5 years old. She is a throw-away so no one is sure of anythingjust that she is marvelous and amazingly grateful for anything you give her. An idea if you can handle it: Start writing Monkee stories and emailing them to yourself and/or your friends so you will always have all the wonderful memories. The purrs, how Monkee got the name, how he came into your life, litter training.. all those things that tend to disappear from the mind when it is totally stressed as yours is. This may help you clear your own mind and get very close to Monkee. It will definitely help to read and re-read them when, hopefully a very long time from now, Monkee leaves this world.
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
What sweet and beautiful pictures. They are so close. I am certain they are happy together now. Dede --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I'm so very sorry for your loss. Kelley On 6/25/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all so much for your thoughts and prayers. Knowing there are people out there who truly understand and care without having ever met myself or my babies means so much to me. This is a link to a picture I made the first time Tomi was sick, and have since had printed and framed (Tomi is on the left, Kisa on the right): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpg . Now that they are both gone, I guess it is even more fitting. Here is another pic that I like of them: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/Kissing.jpg Today is still pretty tough for me. I still can hear Tomi's cries at the end, and it is breaking my heart. Everytime I think of it, I just feel like punching something. I felt so useless and terrified for him. I realize I lost my best friend after my husband yesterday. Even if we were to get another kitten or two one day, I don't think i'll ever have as close a bond again as I did with Tomi. I just wish he could have stayed for longer than the 2.5 years I had with him. My house feels so empty now. I can no longer give my little boy a good long hug when I feel upset. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over. Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/863 - Release Date: 6/23/2007 11:08 AM -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17
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Cassandra,they are absolutley beautiful angels C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all so much for your thoughts and prayers. Knowing there are people out there who truly understand and care without having ever met myself or my babies means so much to me. This is a link to a picture I made the first time Tomi was sick, and have since had printed and framed (Tomi is on the left, Kisa on the right): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpg . Now that they are both gone, I guess it is even more fitting. Here is another pic that I like of them: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/Kissing.jpg Today is still pretty tough for me. I still can hear Tomi's cries at the end, and it is breaking my heart. Everytime I think of it, I just feel like punching something. I felt so useless and terrified for him. I realize I lost my best friend after my husband yesterday. Even if we were to get another kitten or two one day, I don't think i'll ever have as close a bond again as I did with Tomi. I just wish he could have stayed for longer than the 2.5 years I had with him. My house feels so empty now. I can no longer give my little boy a good long hug when I feel upset. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over. Cassandra - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/863 - Release Date: 6/23/2007 11:08 AM - You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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PS: Per usable ounce of food Dixie's diet costs no more than Fancy Feast and I anticipate far fewer health problems and certainly fewer worries about the quality of food. The frozen cubes are easy for me to handle too. And I am vegetarian. I tried cooking for her but this is so incredibly easy.I would never have believed it. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: just beginning Feel free. Just know that the Primal is bought in frozen cubes, the veggies are frozen organic and picked up at a good grocery and chopped in a little Black and Decker chopped and the others are powders just mixed in. Trust me. There is no great time spent on her meals. It is as easy or easier than opening cans and having to dispose of them (farm, too much wildlife to just pitch them in the garbage can). I love ferals and have had the privilege of having several as friends. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Ebony Thomas Katt were both feral. Have you tried the Feliway spray (not the plug in) in the litter box area? None of the ferals I have dealt with like scented litter (a big pain) and all liked the extra large Rubbermaid boxes as opposed to litter boxes. Dealing with these wonderful guys/gals is challenging. Dealing with colonies must be exhausting. Taking care of the ones that show up at my mother's is hard enough and that consists of food and water + spay and neuter mainly. Blessings be to you for all your work with them. One day, when you leave this world, you will find out how much they appreciated your kindness. - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: Re: just beginning Wow, Marylyn, that's an impressive diet! What a lucky girl she is... :) Right now I have to depend on high quality foods that I can get @ the store, like the ones I mentioned. I have 4 felv+ cats, many other rescue cats (I do Siamese rescue) that have come to me w/ chronic health problems (3 of which are on Zithromax permanently for chronic URI, thanks godoess it's only every 3 day), and I also maintain several feral colonies. Several of my rescues have behavioral problems also, meaning, I spend a lot of time washing the litterbox areas in the cattery the kitty room. Plus I have my own business. Someday I would love to be able to spend more time preparing all of their meals. Do you mind if I crosspost your diet to a few friends of mine that also have felv+ cats? That is a wonderful idea about writting your memories down. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: just beginning Repeating myself re Dixie's diet which seems to be working great for her: She gets Transfer Factor, Just Born, a supplement Dr. Boswell fixed for FeLV+, lots of high vitamin c veggies (carrots, spinach, broccoli, green beans and peas) ground up and mixed with Primal Raw, Fast Track and various probiotics, Lysine, Interferon (oral every other day), Barley Cat and now Sheep's yogurt. Obviously she doesn't get every thing every day. A lot depends on what is going on with her and what just feels right at the time. She eats 2-3 times a day and really has surprised me with the veggies and yogurt. This girl eats better than I do. I use Brush Away on her teeth (almost daily). She is wonderfully happy and healthy and I look forward to many years with her. She has been with me over 2 years and is probably around 5 years old. She is a throw-away so no one is sure of anythingjust that she is marvelous and amazingly grateful for anything you give her. An idea if you can handle it: Start writing Monkee stories
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
What wonderful pictures and what good friends they are. It isn't of much comfort right now but they are happily together. Maybe the thought of them all being together, playing, napping and doing all those things cats do will be of help later. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Cassandra,they are absolutley beautiful angels C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all so much for your thoughts and prayers. Knowing there are people out there who truly understand and care without having ever met myself or my babies means so much to me. This is a link to a picture I made the first time Tomi was sick, and have since had printed and framed (Tomi is on the left, Kisa on the right): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpg . Now that they are both gone, I guess it is even more fitting. Here is another pic that I like of them: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/Kissing.jpg Today is still pretty tough for me. I still can hear Tomi's cries at the end, and it is breaking my heart. Everytime I think of it, I just feel like punching something. I felt so useless and terrified for him. I realize I lost my best friend after my husband yesterday. Even if we were to get another kitten or two one day, I don't think i'll ever have as close a bond again as I did with Tomi. I just wish he could have stayed for longer than the 2.5 years I had with him. My house feels so empty now. I can no longer give my little boy a good long hug when I feel upset. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
no, ALL cats do NOT carry the corona virus. please get your facts straight before posting things. On 6/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it certainly sounds like wet FIP. All cats carry the corona virus, which can morph into FIP. It really just depends on genetics, age, (very young older cats) and on extenuating circumstance like being felv+. (immune compromised) There are 2 forms of FIP, the wet the dry. My first felv+ kitty, Serenity, passed away from wet FIP. Their belly begins to swell, to the point where it presses against their lungs and makes it hard for them to breath. Their belly actually accumulates fluid, and the vet can withdraw some for testing. Their backbone will become more prominent, also. Eventually w/ their swollen belly, breathing becomes labored and they will begin to pant towards the end. Also, you can watch their nostrils for a tiny flare', another way to tell they cannot breath. it is @ this time that you say good bye.. :(... I had to take Serenity to the emergency room to be PTS on a Sat. night on Thanksgiving weekend. Oh, it was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do. But you must remember, a compassionate dignfied death is one of the best gifts you can give these cats. There is no real test for FIP, w/ the exception of withdrawing the fluid fromt he belly for testing. And w/ dry FIP you cannot even do this. You can, however, have a necropacy (?) performed afterwards, however, if the cat is felv+, there is no point. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2007 2:53 PM *Subject:* Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Tomi may have had wet FIP at the end, I don't know, but he was very anemic as well. For the last week, his belly was swollen, and he was eating and drinking alot, but still getting thinner. Does that sound like FIP? I don't know where he would get that from. Not that it matters I suppose, because he just couldn't deal with the anemia by itself, nevermind FIP thrown in. Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:08 PM *Subject:* Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Hi Cassandra, I am sorry to hear about your recent loses, losing 3 cats so close together must have been very hard on you. Question, was Tomi's labored breathing panting due to his felv+ morphing into wet FIP? Susan - Original Message - *From:* C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM *Subject:* Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was
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Also, there are lots and lots of other (treatable) illness which mimic many symptoms of FIP - swallone belly, weight loss, difficulty breathing alone are NOT enough to even assume that its' FIP - For example, if you have a kitty with liver disease, symptoms you will see is a very similar as you mentioned, my baby Garfunkle wh passed away a year and half ago, had lost lots of weight during the short period of time, and backbone sticking out, and his belly was swalloen with fluid, he lost appetie and difficult time breathing -- but it was not FIP, but liver disease. - Original Message - From: MaryChristinemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda no, ALL cats do NOT carry the corona virus. please get your facts straight before posting things. On 6/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it certainly sounds like wet FIP. All cats carry the corona virus, which can morph into FIP. It really just depends on genetics, age, (very young older cats) and on extenuating circumstance like being felv+. (immune compromised) There are 2 forms of FIP, the wet the dry. My first felv+ kitty, Serenity, passed away from wet FIP. Their belly begins to swell, to the point where it presses against their lungs and makes it hard for them to breath. Their belly actually accumulates fluid, and the vet can withdraw some for testing. Their backbone will become more prominent, also. Eventually w/ their swollen belly, breathing becomes labored and they will begin to pant towards the end. Also, you can watch their nostrils for a tiny flare', another way to tell they cannot breath. it is @ this time that you say good bye.. :(... I had to take Serenity to the emergency room to be PTS on a Sat. night on Thanksgiving weekend. Oh, it was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do. But you must remember, a compassionate dignfied death is one of the best gifts you can give these cats. There is no real test for FIP, w/ the exception of withdrawing the fluid fromt he belly for testing. And w/ dry FIP you cannot even do this. You can, however, have a necropacy (?) performed afterwards, however, if the cat is felv+, there is no point. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.comhttp://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.orghttp://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.nethttp://www.shadowcats.net/ As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C Jmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Tomi may have had wet FIP at the end, I don't know, but he was very anemic as well. For the last week, his belly was swollen, and he was eating and drinking alot, but still getting thinner. Does that sound like FIP? I don't know where he would get that from. Not that it matters I suppose, because he just couldn't deal with the anemia by itself, nevermind FIP thrown in. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubosemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Hi Cassandra, I am sorry to hear about your recent loses, losing 3 cats so close together must have been very hard on you. Question, was Tomi's labored breathing panting due to his felv+ morphing into wet FIP? Susan - Original Message - From: C Jmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person,
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Cassandra I have not been able to keep up with emails of late, but this caught my eye. I am so sorry. I was so hoping Tomi would rally again. He is at peace and you saved him from a much worse fate in the woods. He knows he was loved and is your special angel. My Tiny died of a sudden respiratory failure. With little warning that anything was wrong. It too was awful to witness. Thankfully was quick. May they play together in heaven. Sally
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
Ok,I was bit liberal w/ my wording. All cats do not carry the corona virus. I know that. However, lots of cats do carry the corona virus, espeically cats in multi cat households. Not all cats w/ the corona virus contact FIP, and it is not known why some do @ this point. Mostly, however, it will be very young, geriatrics or immune compromised cats like felv+ cats. Feel free to correct if I am wrong. And yes, there are lots of diseases that have similiar symptoms, but when those diseases are ruled out by medical tests, it only can be assumed that it is FIP. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda no, ALL cats do NOT carry the corona virus. please get your facts straight before posting things. On 6/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it certainly sounds like wet FIP. All cats carry the corona virus, which can morph into FIP. It really just depends on genetics, age, (very young older cats) and on extenuating circumstance like being felv+. (immune compromised) There are 2 forms of FIP, the wet the dry. My first felv+ kitty, Serenity, passed away from wet FIP. Their belly begins to swell, to the point where it presses against their lungs and makes it hard for them to breath. Their belly actually accumulates fluid, and the vet can withdraw some for testing. Their backbone will become more prominent, also. Eventually w/ their swollen belly, breathing becomes labored and they will begin to pant towards the end. Also, you can watch their nostrils for a tiny flare', another way to tell they cannot breath. it is @ this time that you say good bye.. :(... I had to take Serenity to the emergency room to be PTS on a Sat. night on Thanksgiving weekend. Oh, it was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do. But you must remember, a compassionate dignfied death is one of the best gifts you can give these cats. There is no real test for FIP, w/ the exception of withdrawing the fluid fromt he belly for testing. And w/ dry FIP you cannot even do this. You can, however, have a necropacy (?) performed afterwards, however, if the cat is felv+, there is no point. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Tomi may have had wet FIP at the end, I don't know, but he was very anemic as well. For the last week, his belly was swollen, and he was eating and drinking alot, but still getting thinner. Does that sound like FIP? I don't know where he would get that from. Not that it matters I suppose, because he just couldn't deal with the anemia by itself, nevermind FIP thrown in. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Hi Cassandra, I am sorry to hear about your recent loses, losing 3 cats so close together must have been very hard on you. Question, was Tomi's labored breathing panting due to his felv+ morphing into wet FIP? Susan - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
Ouch MC...that hurt... --- MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, ALL cats do NOT carry the corona virus. please get your facts straight before posting things. On 6/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it certainly sounds like wet FIP. All cats carry the corona virus, which can morph into FIP. It really just depends on genetics, age, (very young older cats) and on extenuating circumstance like being felv+. (immune compromised) There are 2 forms of FIP, the wet the dry. My first felv+ kitty, Serenity, passed away from wet FIP. Their belly begins to swell, to the point where it presses against their lungs and makes it hard for them to breath. Their belly actually accumulates fluid, and the vet can withdraw some for testing. Their backbone will become more prominent, also. Eventually w/ their swollen belly, breathing becomes labored and they will begin to pant towards the end. Also, you can watch their nostrils for a tiny flare', another way to tell they cannot breath. it is @ this time that you say good bye.. :(... I had to take Serenity to the emergency room to be PTS on a Sat. night on Thanksgiving weekend. Oh, it was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do. But you must remember, a compassionate dignfied death is one of the best gifts you can give these cats. There is no real test for FIP, w/ the exception of withdrawing the fluid fromt he belly for testing. And w/ dry FIP you cannot even do this. You can, however, have a necropacy (?) performed afterwards, however, if the cat is felv+, there is no point. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2007 2:53 PM *Subject:* Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Tomi may have had wet FIP at the end, I don't know, but he was very anemic as well. For the last week, his belly was swollen, and he was eating and drinking alot, but still getting thinner. Does that sound like FIP? I don't know where he would get that from. Not that it matters I suppose, because he just couldn't deal with the anemia by itself, nevermind FIP thrown in. Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:08 PM *Subject:* Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda Hi Cassandra, I am sorry to hear about your recent loses, losing 3 cats so close together must have been very hard on you. Question, was Tomi's labored breathing panting due to his felv+ morphing into wet FIP? Susan - Original Message - *From:* C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM *Subject:* Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got
To Caroline: Re: just beginning
Hi Caroline, Welcome to the group, although I am sorry you've had to come here at all. Sweet Monkee is lucky to have you. The first thought I had reading your post was about your vet. In the beginning, did he test for FeLV and tell you that Monkee had FeLV? Did he specifically tell you that Monkee is anemic, and if so, did he suggest a blood transfusion and did he say what type of anemia it is? What is Monkee's HCT count? Different types of anemia are treated differently. Which medication is he giving for the anemia? Is it Winstrol or Epogen possibly? Has your vet put Monkee on a course of doxycycline (3 week course). Doxy is used to treat hemobartanella, a blood parasite that is very hard to test for as one minute it shows up on the microscope slide and the next it doesn't. A lot of anemic cats have hemobart. Even if they don't, the doxy won't hurt them. I'm sorry for all the questions, but the answers to those questions are important in taking care of Monkee and knowing what course of treatment to take at this point. If you don't know the answers, see if your vet can fill you in in the morning. If you aren't comfortable with your vet, do not feel guilty at all about shopping around for another vet. And make sure you ask your current vet for copies of Monkee's test results so you can take them to a new vet if you choose one. As far as the cancer goes, the studies I have seen have shown that surgery often ends up with the cancer coming back stronger because not all of the cancer cells were removed. But that doesn't mean that Monkee's is going to come back. I just want you to know there is that possibility. I am confused as to why your vet wants to possibly start Monkee on a stronger chemo after he surgically removed the tumor? Monkee should not need chemo unless the tumor comes back and it's too soon to know that. Chemo will not help anemia. As soon as you know a little more about the treatment regime, let us know so we can help you and Monkee further. We're glad you found us because we want to help Monkee as much as we can. :) Wendy Dallas, Tx Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
Re: Ki update
Hey Dede, I'm glad to hear that Ki is getting along. I hope you are doing well too. :) Wendy --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ki seems to be a bit better. He is snacking on dry food. Won't eat wet unless it's raw chicken. Fever got down to 102.8 yesterday, and is back up to 103 this AM. At least he is out of the 104 range. I dunno. He could be a lot worse off as we all know. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
Now i've got something of a dilemma
My husband works with a young guy who lives with his parents on a farm. These people have barn cats, who they basically care very little about. Well one of the cats had kittens a couple of days ago, and got cornered by a dog. By the looks of how scratched up the dog was, she put up a good fight, but the dog ate all but 2 of the kittens. The farmers don't care about the kittens at all, so they may still be in danger from the dog. My husband, feeling empty and sad by all that we've been through, and wanting to make me happy again, offered to take the mom and babies. I seriously don't know what to make of this. On the one hand, it is far far too soon for me take in anymore kitties, especially three of them. By the sounds of it, momma is half wild as she doesn't receive much attention from humans. She is used to being outside on the farm, and I don't know how she would handle coming into a strange house all of a sudden. It is possible she might get stressed out and not take care of her little ones? I also wanted to test my remaining two cats for FeLV in about 6 weeks, to make sure they haven't picked it up. I didn't want to expose any kittens to the virus. Plus I don't know if this momma is even healthy. She could have the virus herself, or any other number of things. She will never have been vaccinated. If I was going to get more kitties, I wanted to check out their backgrounds a little bit. On the other hand, these poor kitties may or may not survive on the farm. Nobody cares about them. Plus, ever since I was 9 years old and watched a mother cat give birth and watched the kittens grow, i've wanted to experience that again. I know I could give them a much better life. I just know i'm not ready to make this sort of decision. I've got open wounds that will take a long time to heal, and just replacing my 3 lost babies so quickly is not the way to heal. I wasn't even sure I wanted to get more cats, and definately wanted to wait quite awhile. I felt both appalled and excited when my husband told me that he had offered to take the kitties in. When it hurts so much, sometimes you just want to try filling those empty places in your heart. I know its difficult to give me any advice on this one, but I just needed to tell someone. You have all been friends to me through the rough times. Cassandra
Re: Ki update
That's good Ki is doing better. I'm hoping that he keeps going strong. Sometimes they can suprise us with how strong they are. Cassandra - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: Ki update Ki seems to be a bit better. He is snacking on dry food. Won't eat wet unless it's raw chicken. Fever got down to 102.8 yesterday, and is back up to 103 this AM. At least he is out of the 104 range. I dunno. He could be a lot worse off as we all know. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.7/868 - Release Date: 6/25/2007 12:20 PM
Re: Another Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident
It is good to hear your husband is doing well. Just make sure he listens and does what the doctor wants him to, and hopefully he'll recover close to 100%. Cassandra - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: Another Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident Hi all, Wanted to update let you know my husband is home now. He has already went to the Dr. had his dressing change. He is wearing a temporary cast until Thursday the 28th then the Dr will put on the regular cast. He has been cantankerous ole fart but is getting better. The Dr. is proud of how the surgeries have went. As long as my husband listens he should recover but he won't be 100% considering the damage the arm has suffered. I can tell you from experience when I was in nursing years ago his arm is doing well. The swelling has gone down quite a bit. Coloring of the arm is good even though it is bruised. The pain he has is from the surgery sight which is normal. It is also telling me he is starting to heal. He is using his fingers some which is the most important thing. His appetite is back and eating junk foods again...guess there are some things I can't change...lmao! I want to thank you all for your good thoughts and prayers! As we need them! I was recently told that I have lost some weight and aging somegeez can't imagine why...lmao That isn't too encouraging on the aging part! My luck has been horrible in the last year or so. It has just got to get better! This hasn't been easy. I always thought when you start growing older that things get better and easier...lmao! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at AOL.com. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.7/868 - Release Date: 6/25/2007 12:20 PM
Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma
Hey Cassandra, It does indeed sound like you have a situation, but never fear, time will tell the answer whether you're ready or not. lol. I honestly don't know what to tell you. Only you can know if it's too much to take on right now. If you do take the kitties in, it won't be long before you wonder how you ever questioned the decision because they'll be in your heart. I guess the question is, are you ready to make room in your heart so soon? What would Tomi, Kisa, and Koda say about all this? You are right that taking the momma in will probably be quite an adjustment on her part. Of course, losing the battle in trying to save the babies she lost to that dog might just be enough for her to appreciate a home without dogs that will attack her remaining babies. Even if she does turn her back on the kittens, you can nurse them yourself. Can you separate your remaining two cats from any newbies? You would probably want them separated initially anyway. I lost Cricket in November, and accidentally allowed another shelter kitty to claim my heart in February. At the time, I had no plans for any more kitties. I have to say that Smookie has definitely helped me to get over Cricket. I did not have time to obsess over his death (not that you are, but I sure did-I drove myself crazy). Taking care of Smookie allowed me to take my mind off the negative and do something positive as she needed extra care in the beginning. You never know...caring for those kittens might be just what the doctor ordered for your broken heart. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
