RE: Genevieve My precious baby is gone
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Re: To Megan: Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do.
Hi Megan, I will second the endorsement on Immuno regulin. Junior was treated for hemobartonella in case he had it, but I think the immuno regulin got him through the crisis. He was on the first protocol listed on the web page. It is not expensive, although the vet or vet tech will have to give the shots as they are given IV. Since your cat is already symptomatic this is a good idea. This is a great group for support through the rocky times and we love to hear about the good times. Sally
RE: To Megan: Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do.
Does immuno-regulin help with anemia? If the problem is her red blood cell count, couldn't it be bad if her white blood cell count was increased? = Original Message From Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Don't know if it would help but my Tucson has had a couple of episodes of very low white blood count. Vet gave her a series of immune-regulin shots and it did perk her back up pretty quickly. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: To Megan: Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do. Olive actually did test negative on the ELISA test, although it wasn't a strong negative. The IFA was done twice and came up positive both times. We skipped the ELISA test on my other two, and instead are having the blood shipped to the vet school for the IFA. I don't think that my vet seems to know a whole lot about FeLV, really. He hasn't really given me any options as to what to do with Olive. He may be under the impression that it's a lost cause. He gave me amoxidrop, but I don't know if that's even helping. He didn't say what type of anemia it was, although I would assume it's non-regenerative. He is aware of Hemobartonella, but I don't think he seemed too concerned about it. I'm going to call tomorrow and hopefully get more answers. I knew the transfusion wouldn't last long, but I didn't realize that it would only be for about a week. I will try to get Doxycylcine, as well as a consultation at the vet school. Now I'm scared that I'm too late to help her. If need be, I can do another transfusion, although last time we had to get blood from one of my other cats, and I hate putting them at risk. I will try to talk to other vets if mine proves unhelpful. Thank you for your input, and thanks to everyone else, as well. You all are giving me hope, even it's just a little bit. -Megan = Original Message From wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Megan, Hi and welcome to the group. I'm sorry you had to find us but you've come to the best place there is for info. short of a Veterinary Internist. I hope this evening finds you better off than last night. Michael is right...going to the website and clicking into Archives and searching through the most current archives is a very good idea. There is so much to learn and lot of good, intelligent people here to help you. Retesting with the IFA after a positive ELISA (in-house) test is important. ELISA can give false positives/negatives. However, since Olive already is dealing with anemia, the test is probably correct. However, all of your kitties who are positive can still seroconvert and 'throw' the virus, so don't give up hope that one day they will be negative. I would retest every 3-6 months (probably 6, since it's less stressful on them to travel and test less often). About 30-40% of cats who are exposed will throw off the virus, which means that if all three were exposed as kittens, which is the most likely scenario for exposure, then the other two may be negative. I'm betting at least one of them is, considering the numbers. I will not sugar-coat things...anemia is bad for FeLV+ kitties. It's fatal a lot of the time, BUT we have seen kitties here who got through the anemia with things like transfusions and meds to help stimulate red blood cell production (mainly prednisolone). The transfusion will wear off. I think it lasts about 10 days, give or take. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Did the vet give you any meds to give Olive? She needs help in getting her RBC's going again. Did the vet say she has regenerative or non-regenerative anemia? Do you happen to have a copy of the bloodwork results done on Olive? If not, can you get them to send you one electronically or pick one up to post here? The BIG thing you need to know about is Hemobartonella. Did your vet mention putting Olive on a three week dose of Doxycycline. Hemobart is very difficult to see on a slide, so difficult to diagnose. One minute the blood parasite is there, the next it's not. So the majority of vets usually dose with doxy when they see anemia in an felv+ cat. Hemobart has a much higher presence in FeLV+ kitties. If it is hemobart, that's a good thing Megan. It means you have a much better chance of saving Olive. But you have to get her the meds asap. And be firm with your vet about the doxy. If your vet has not touched on any of these things I'm telling you, find another vet asap. You need someone who is willing to work with you to save Olive. Not make money off of you and not immediately suggest pts at the first sign of a positive FeLV test. Michael's suggestion of getting a referral to UT is a great idea.
Treatment for Nonregenerative Anemia (Olive)
I figured making a separate thread for this might be a good idea, because right now this seems to be Olive's biggest threat. I will hopefully be talking to someone at the university's vet school either today or tomorrow, but getting everyone's suggestions here is really helpful. I guess my biggest concern is whether or not there really is any way to help treat NRA. You all have given me many options for FeLV in general, but the anemia is what I'm really worried about. Thanks, Megan
Re: Pics of Genevieve
The first photo is wonderful. I am not sure how to view the others but you have a great group of little friends. I understand how very much you miss Genevieve but she is very near you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Leslie Lawther To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Pics of Genevieve Sherry... I was eating my lunch and thought I'd go look at the pictures. I only saw the first one... but OH MY GOODNESS!! That picture could have been taken at MY house!! The one on the right (long hair tortie) looks like my Riley, the one closest to the front of the picture (orange) looks like my Jack... and the one of the left (black and white) looks like Maya... and the one in the back is the image of my Wheezie that I lost in February! I nearly fell off my chair when I opened the photo... This is not sorta similar... this is nearly idential cats!! I'm so sorry for your loss... it's never easy... and you never quite get over it. But she'll always be with you. On 8/28/07, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a link to my album of this beautiful girl that I would like to share with you. http://www1.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=174181509/a=42609805_42609805/t_=42609805 Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
RE: question re Mickey's bent ear
Thanks so much Kerry, Nina, Phaewryn, Sally and Susan---sorry if I missed anyone---for diagnosing Mickey's condition and generally making me feel a whole lot better on Sunday (and helping me make the decision NOT to go to emergency clinic, where, apart from anything else, they are not particularly nice to feral/semi-feral cats). I took Mickey to my own vet last night, he confirmed it was hematoma (sp) and he drained the ear---ton of blood came out. If it recurs he'll use the more elaborate (and expensive---that's what I love abt my vet; he always tries the simpler and less expensive solution first) procedure that involves both anesthetic and inserting a temporary drain device in his ear. The trouble is Mickey's ear is still bent over -- perhaps not as much -- so with him being semi-feral it's going to be tricky knowing if the problem returns. But at least for now we're ok---thanks again SO much everyone! Kerry Mickey _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Davis Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: question re Mickey's bent ear Junior has this as part of his condition. He has hematomas in both ears. The vet does not want to stress him by draining them, so they are that way all the time. He has no infection or ear mites. It must feel funny to him. He looks like a Scottish Fold kitty. His ears are real fat. He does like to have them rubbed. I remember a Tom Cat we had on the farm I had as a kid. He had the cauliflower ears. I thought it was from fighting, but I now know it was probably from ear mites. Sally On 8/26/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed 3
Re: question re Mickey's bent ear
A, that's Kerry, for the great update. Hopefully Little Micky will not have a reoccurring problem. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: RE: question re Mickey's bent ear Thanks so much Kerry, Nina, Phaewryn, Sally and Susan---sorry if I missed anyone---for diagnosing Mickey's condition and generally making me feel a whole lot better on Sunday (and helping me make the decision NOT to go to emergency clinic, where, apart from anything else, they are not particularly nice to feral/semi-feral cats). I took Mickey to my own vet last night, he confirmed it was hematoma (sp) and he drained the ear---ton of blood came out. If it recurs he'll use the more elaborate (and expensive---that's what I love abt my vet; he always tries the simpler and less expensive solution first) procedure that involves both anesthetic and inserting a temporary drain device in his ear. The trouble is Mickey's ear is still bent over -- perhaps not as much -- so with him being semi-feral it's going to be tricky knowing if the problem returns. But at least for now we're ok---thanks again SO much everyone! Kerry Mickey -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Davis Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: question re Mickey's bent ear
Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do.
Megan, My Bailey was my positive, he came to us at 5 months of age, he was positive then, my other 4 at that time were all negative and vaccinated. I had Bailey separate but found out my Joey was sneaking under the door to play with him while I was at work, he was Bailey's age and we lived in a Mobile home so the door gaps were big enough for him to squeeze under. We decided to keep Bailey and let him interact with all the others and in 11 years nobody got it from him, I kept the others all vaccinated and nobody ever got it, I tested them occasionally to be sure, they are all still negative today, although I lost my little Bailey last May to cancer. He too turned up anemic and we conquered that with epogen and prednisolone but it turns out he had cancer somewhere and we tested and did ultra sounds but couldn't find it. It finally took him after 6 months of trying to figure out what kind and where. We did a necropsy and he had pancreatic cancer. Since they have all been living together it's a good bet they have all been exposed and either never gotten it or have and fought it off, a healthy adult cat has a very, very slim chance of getting it and if they do would most likely fight it off themselves. Bailey and his house mates played, groomed, ate out of the same dishes, drank out of the same bowls and on occasion had little squabbles and nobody ever got it from him. Stress is the biggest trigger for FeLV activation so keeping the stress to a minumum is the most important thing you can do. Supplements are something you can do that generally aren't too expensive. Any or all of these - Mega C plus, COQ-10, Wild Salmon Oil and lysine are all immune boosters that are good to give. One thing with anemia is to find out why they are anemic, with Bailey we did a bone marrow aspirate and found that the virus was surpressing his immune system and not allowing the blood to mature, he was considered non regenerative. We got him on epogen and a high dose of prednisolone and doxocycline. The doxy was in case he had hemobartonella, a very common virus FeLV+ cats get, which he tested negative for 3 or 4 times, hemobartonells will kill them if it isn't put into remission and the most commonly used drug for that is doxy. I insisted Bailey get this even though he tested negative for hemo because hemo is extremely hard to test for and many times cats will test negative when they are in fact positive so the cat dies, when they could easily have been saved by giving doxy, so in my opinion giving doxy to be safe is a good thing to do. It may just save a cat who is testing negative when they are in reality positive for it. The high dose of pred and the epogen is very likely what saved Bailey from dying from anemia, anemia will kill them if is isn't reversed period!! Epogen is something most vets don't even think about using with positive cats, especially if their anemia is non regenerative, thank God my vet was willing to try things that are not textbook, if Bailey had not had cancer or if we could have found it, I know he would still be here today ... -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do.
Best of luck Megan! I hope you have success. You are truly a compassionate person. Your kitties are blessed to have you caring for them. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do. Hello everyone, My name is Megan. I'm a college student with three sibling cats, one of which was recently found to be FeLV-positive. We discovered this after Olive had a severe anemic episode last week all of the sudden and almost died. Her brother's blood was able to restore her, but how long this will last, we don't know. She has seemed happy and feeling well since the blood transfusion, but there's a feeling in my gut that tells me it's only a matter of time before she gets sick again, and I don't know what to do about that. Like I said, I'm a college student, and independent from my parents, which by default means I'm poor. My vet doesn't know much about treatment, but he is going to talk to the university's vet school. We are considering interferon, although to be honest, I don't know if I'd be able to give Olive shots everyday. I'm in quite a dilemma, because I want to do what I can for Olive. She is the sweetest, friendliest cat I have ever met. All of my friends love her and some of them are also pretty upset about her condition. Part of the dilemma is what to do about interaction with her siblings. I just had them tested (and vaccinated) today, and won't know the results until Thursday. I would assume that they are very likely to be infected as well, yet part of me thinks that they aren't, and the vet thought this, too. I had thought that maybe my boyfriend's cat had transmitted it to Olive, because he has some health problems, and therefore maybe only she was infected. But he tested negative today on the in-home test, so now I'm scared that Olive has had this since she was little, and therefore my other two probably have it as well. Unless, of course, they've developed immunity to it. So, there are my two problems: What to do with Olive, and what to do if my other two turn out negative. If they are all positive, then leaving them together isn't an issue; although then I'm also left with the horrible situation of having three FeLV-positive cats. If they turn out to be negative, I don't know how to separate them. I don't want to risk their lives by having them interact, yet I can't bear to give up Olive. I live in an apartment, so keeping them separate in my home isn't a great solution. If anyone has any suggestions, words of advice, etc., please let me know. I am completely distraught over this. Last night I could not sleep, and I'm already not caring about school, which just started. Thank you for reading this. Sorry it's so long... -Megan
Re: To Megan: Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do.
All I know is Junior has not been anemic since he had the immuno regulin. The vet says the last time she checked him his PVC was good for a FeLV cat. It was low end of normal I think around 30. Sally On 8/29/07, Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does immuno-regulin help with anemia? If the problem is her red blood cell count, couldn't it be bad if her white blood cell count was increased? = Original Message From Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Don't know if it would help but my Tucson has had a couple of episodes of very low white blood count. Vet gave her a series of immune-regulin shots and it did perk her back up pretty quickly. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: To Megan: Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do. Olive actually did test negative on the ELISA test, although it wasn't a strong negative. The IFA was done twice and came up positive both times. We skipped the ELISA test on my other two, and instead are having the blood shipped to the vet school for the IFA. I don't think that my vet seems to know a whole lot about FeLV, really. He hasn't really given me any options as to what to do with Olive. He may be under the impression that it's a lost cause. He gave me amoxidrop, but I don't know if that's even helping. He didn't say what type of anemia it was, although I would assume it's non-regenerative. He is aware of Hemobartonella, but I don't think he seemed too concerned about it. I'm going to call tomorrow and hopefully get more answers. I knew the transfusion wouldn't last long, but I didn't realize that it would only be for about a week. I will try to get Doxycylcine, as well as a consultation at the vet school. Now I'm scared that I'm too late to help her. If need be, I can do another transfusion, although last time we had to get blood from one of my other cats, and I hate putting them at risk. I will try to talk to other vets if mine proves unhelpful. Thank you for your input, and thanks to everyone else, as well. You all are giving me hope, even it's just a little bit. -Megan = Original Message From wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Megan, Hi and welcome to the group. I'm sorry you had to find us but you've come to the best place there is for info. short of a Veterinary Internist. I hope this evening finds you better off than last night. Michael is right...going to the website and clicking into Archives and searching through the most current archives is a very good idea. There is so much to learn and lot of good, intelligent people here to help you. Retesting with the IFA after a positive ELISA (in-house) test is important. ELISA can give false positives/negatives. However, since Olive already is dealing with anemia, the test is probably correct. However, all of your kitties who are positive can still seroconvert and 'throw' the virus, so don't give up hope that one day they will be negative. I would retest every 3-6 months (probably 6, since it's less stressful on them to travel and test less often). About 30-40% of cats who are exposed will throw off the virus, which means that if all three were exposed as kittens, which is the most likely scenario for exposure, then the other two may be negative. I'm betting at least one of them is, considering the numbers. I will not sugar-coat things...anemia is bad for FeLV+ kitties. It's fatal a lot of the time, BUT we have seen kitties here who got through the anemia with things like transfusions and meds to help stimulate red blood cell production (mainly prednisolone). The transfusion will wear off. I think it lasts about 10 days, give or take. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Did the vet give you any meds to give Olive? She needs help in getting her RBC's going again. Did the vet say she has regenerative or non-regenerative anemia? Do you happen to have a copy of the bloodwork results done on Olive? If not, can you get them to send you one electronically or pick one up to post here? The BIG thing you need to know about is Hemobartonella. Did your vet mention putting Olive on a three week dose of Doxycycline. Hemobart is very difficult to see on a slide, so difficult to diagnose. One minute the blood parasite is there, the next it's not. So the majority of vets usually dose with doxy when they see anemia in an felv+ cat. Hemobart has a much higher presence in FeLV+ kitties. If it is hemobart, that's a good thing Megan. It means you have a much better chance of saving Olive. But you have to get her
RE: Treatment for Nonregenerative Anemia (Olive)
I decided not to do a bone marrow aspirate on Monkee to determine the type (non-regenerative, etc.) of anemia he had and if the anemia was being caused by the FelV virus becoming activated, or from cancer. My vet led me to believe that if we could determine the anemia was from cancer (only via a bone marrow aspirate), then we could try more chemo. However, chemo itself can cause anemia and also cause the FelV virus to become active because of the stress and immune suppression (killing of white blood cells). But Monkee had a tumor so it was possible the cancer came up because of FelV becoming activefirst. And it was such a chicken or the egg debate that I felt it didn't even matter anymore. All I knew was he had anemia and it was bad and that any further procedures that would stress him, like a bone marrow aspirate, would not be good.Plus, he didn't even have enough RBCs to be put under anesthesia for the aspirate to even be performed (without first having a blood transfusion). We opted for no more procedures, no more chemo, and just a blood transfusion to give ustwo more weeks with him and that is what happened. I took him to a Holistic vet for treatment for those two weeks and he did really well for about 10 days- I really feel her treatments helped extend the transfusion just a little bit and definitely eased his stress. You may want to consider looking into a Holistic vet. The great thing is that their treatments work in conjunction with your vet-- it's not one or the other. As for blood transfusions, it doesn't have to come from one of your other cats. Sometimes they use real cat blood, but they also have a synthetic type of blood they can use that works the same. I am not sure which one Monkee got. But for him it was merely a stop gap procedure...it delayed the inevitable so I had more time with him. You have to keep that in mind. If it can be determined that Olive is not making her own RBCs, then you will be faced with the same dilemma of "how long can we keep this up?" as I was. Good luck. -Caroline From:Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:Treatment for Nonregenerative Anemia (Olive)Date:Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:26:38 -0400I figured making a separate thread for this might be a good idea, becauseright now this seems to be Olive's biggest threat. I will hopefully be talkingto someone at the university's vet school either today or tomorrow, butgetting everyone's suggestions here is really helpful.I guess my biggest concern is whether or not there really is any way to helptreat NRA. You all have given me many options for FeLV in general, but theanemia is what I'm really worried about.Thanks,Megan Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win!
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Re: Pics of Genevieve
I believe you just click on the view album. Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first photo is wonderful. I am not sure how to view the others but you have a great group of little friends. I understand how very much you miss Genevieve but she is very near you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Leslie Lawther To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Pics of Genevieve Sherry... I was eating my lunch and thought I'd go look at the pictures. I only saw the first one... but OH MY GOODNESS!! That picture could have been taken at MY house!! The one on the right (long hair tortie) looks like my Riley, the one closest to the front of the picture (orange) looks like my Jack... and the one of the left (black and white) looks like Maya... and the one in the back is the image of my Wheezie that I lost in February! I nearly fell off my chair when I opened the photo... This is not sorta similar... this is nearly idential cats!! I'm so sorry for your loss... it's never easy... and you never quite get over it. But she'll always be with you. On 8/28/07, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a link to my album of this beautiful girl that I would like to share with you. http://www1.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=174181509/a=42609805_42609805/t_=42609805 - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.
Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do.
I'm so sorry to hear that, Megan. I haven't read all your other replies, but will try to keep this short. This is what I would do. First, these cats are siblings and have been together a while with plenty of opportunity to share diseases, so why separate them now? I'd keep the cats together. Second, I'm a proponent of daily oral interferon, and with cats under a certain age (3-4), I'd give the FELV cat anywhere from half a cc or 1cc daily of interferon alpha. Note this is squirted into their MOUTH, not an injection.The price varies - one vet charged me $75 for a small bottle, but I found another who charged $15 for a large bottle (like bigger than a quart). You can freeze it in small containers and get it out as you need to. Oral Interferon used in this way boosts the immune system. BTW, Some people also use temporary interferon orally for cats with the sneezes - upper respiratory - and other situations. Not sure what the injections are about - I'd just do the oral interferon apha. Best of luck - and this list is the right place to be! You'll get lots of alternatives and lots of support. Gloria in Arkansas On Aug 28, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Megan Heikkinen wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Megan. I'm a college student with three sibling cats, one of which was recently found to be FeLV-positive. We discovered this after Olive had a severe anemic episode last week all of the sudden and almost died. Her brother's blood was able to restore her, but how long this will last, we don't know. She has seemed happy and feeling well since the blood transfusion, but there's a feeling in my gut that tells me it's only a matter of time before she gets sick again, and I don't know what to do about that. Like I said, I'm a college student, and independent from my parents, which by default means I'm poor. My vet doesn't know much about treatment, but he is going to talk to the university's vet school. We are considering interferon, although to be honest, I don't know if I'd be able to give Olive shots everyday. I'm in quite a dilemma, because I want to do what I can for Olive. She is the sweetest, friendliest cat I have ever met. All of my friends love her and some of them are also pretty upset about her condition. Part of the dilemma is what to do about interaction with her siblings. I just had them tested (and vaccinated) today, and won't know the results until Thursday. I would assume that they are very likely to be infected as well, yet part of me thinks that they aren't, and the vet thought this, too. I had thought that maybe my boyfriend's cat had transmitted it to Olive, because he has some health problems, and therefore maybe only she was infected. But he tested negative today on the in-home test, so now I'm scared that Olive has had this since she was little, and therefore my other two probably have it as well. Unless, of course, they've developed immunity to it. So, there are my two problems: What to do with Olive, and what to do if my other two turn out negative. If they are all positive, then leaving them together isn't an issue; although then I'm also left with the horrible situation of having three FeLV-positive cats. If they turn out to be negative, I don't know how to separate them. I don't want to risk their lives by having them interact, yet I can't bear to give up Olive. I live in an apartment, so keeping them separate in my home isn't a great solution. If anyone has any suggestions, words of advice, etc., please let me know. I am completely distraught over this. Last night I could not sleep, and I'm already not caring about school, which just started. Thank you for reading this. Sorry it's so long... -Megan
Re: To Megan: Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do.
I think the injections are the expensive feline interferon OMEGA, not the cheaper human interferon ALPHA. Gloria On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Sorry, I have never heard of interferon injections, ONLY oral. Have I missed something all these years...? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: To Megan: Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday,and I don't know what to do. Just so you know, some vets carry the oral interferon. The vets I have in Louisville keep it on hand. If you decide on this you may want to call around. A month's supply runs about $10. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: RE: To Megan: Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday,and I don't know what to do. Having just gone through this recently and losing Monkee to anemia/ FelV, I can provide this: Blood transfusion: wears off in 10 days, if not less. Signs of it wearing off are pretty clear: lack of energy, less moving around, white gums/nose (Monkee's nose was perfect pink and when his transfusion wore off, it was white-white), not eating/ eating less. You need to enjoy the time you have with her now that she's had a transfusion, but PREPARE in advance for it to wear off. You need to consider now whether you will do another one. There may not be time to think about that when the time comes. The only thing I regret about Monkee's situation and passing is that the transfusion wore off and I thought maybe his body would make red blood cells on it's own and it didn't, so he went downhill very rapidly. You need to know that if the cat's body is not making it's own RBCs and the transfusion wears off, the cat experiences dizziness, vertigo, shortness of breath and maybe trouble breathing. I am not trying to be harsh here, just telling you what a cat will feel so that you can try to put yourself in that position to truly understand. The slightest movement may cause them dizziness and distress. In Monkee's final days/hours, all he wanted to do was lay in my closest (which he had never done before) on top of all my shoes; he didn't sleep, his eyes were always open and dilated and he would stare into space (which he had never done before until the anemia set in). Only in the final hours did he occasionally cry out like he had never done before (my mom and I believe it was because he felt like he wanted to do something, like go out on his porch, and he'd tried to move to do it, but wouldn't get far because of the shortness of breath/ dizziness and he would get frustrated and angry and would emit the cry. It broke my heart). He only had about 30 secs of respiratory distress while I held him and then he passed in my arms. I do indeed hope this is not the path you and your sweet cat take. From my own experience in July, I provide you these words of wisdom: Watch for signs of a worsening of her symptoms; prepare for them; and admit to yourself when you see them (fight off the denial)-- those are the only things you can do so as to try to do what is best for your cat and that is what we all want. Anemia is a horrible way for them to suffer. Interferon: Injections? I was able to give Monkee oral interferon that had been ordered through a pharmacy via the telephone- I think it was Wedgwood Pharmacy? Your Vet calls in the prescription, then you call to order and pay for it. It's delivered in the mail- has to be refrigerated. And yes, this is only an immune booster that I believe Monkee was taking more for his Lymphosarcoma (cancer brought on by FelV); but once the anemia took over and became his most pressing problem, we stopped the interferon. Best of luck to you. -Caroline From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: To Megan: Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday,and I don't know what to do. Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:19:08 -0700
Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do.
What we used to do when we worked w/interferon, is we would get the interferon @ 100% dosage and inject it into a 500cc bag of sterile water. The bag could be kept in the refrigerator then, and whatever dosage that you needed could be drawn out w/ a syringe. The sharp was then removed from the syringe,then mixture was orally administered into the cats' mouth. It depends on how it is mixed as to if you say, give them .5 or 1cc.etc... I do know that interferon has really gone up in price, I was asking a friend who has access to it (she is a nurse who also does cat rescue) about some. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do. I'm so sorry to hear that, Megan. I haven't read all your other replies, but will try to keep this short. This is what I would do. First, these cats are siblings and have been together a while with plenty of opportunity to share diseases, so why separate them now? I'd keep the cats together. Second, I'm a proponent of daily oral interferon, and with cats under a certain age (3-4), I'd give the FELV cat anywhere from half a cc or 1cc daily of interferon alpha. Note this is squirted into their MOUTH, not an injection.The price varies - one vet charged me $75 for a small bottle, but I found another who charged $15 for a large bottle (like bigger than a quart). You can freeze it in small containers and get it out as you need to. Oral Interferon used in this way boosts the immune system. BTW, Some people also use temporary interferon orally for cats with the sneezes - upper respiratory - and other situations. Not sure what the injections are about - I'd just do the oral interferon apha. Best of luck - and this list is the right place to be! You'll get lots of alternatives and lots of support. Gloria in Arkansas
Belinda--going to do transfusion with CW
CW went to the vet today and got a B12 shot and she and two of her negative buddies were typed to confirm they are compatible for transfusion (I have at least two good donor cats). Since CW is eating great (without any appetite stimulants) and not in any respiratory distress and her overall attitude and appearance is very positive, the vet said we could do the transfusion on Friday once with confirm the blood typing compatibiliy -- although it would be very rare, if the cats were not compatible, we might make things worse. My vet thinks the drop in RBC has been chronic and very gradual and may not dropping as quickly as sometimes since there have been no other symptomsso a wait of 2 days was ok. I am willing to try the epogen and prednisolone provided giving them is not a struggle and stressful to CW. I know this is not a cure, but since her qualitiy of life is still good, I sort of feel that I owe it to her to try and maintain that. I will keep folks posted. I am going to look into the supplement you suggested, too. Thanks, Tracy
Please add Jingles to the CLS
My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
RE: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Susan, I'm so sorry to hear about Jingles. It's good that you were there for him. I liked that you wrote about his past. I hope you can find comfort in your good times with him. Prayers and thoughts your way. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
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I'm so sorry, Susan. Hugs to you and a gentle Bridge journey to Jingles. Thanks for telling us about him. Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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Thanks, Melinda. He was such a joy - and in his healthier days he came
to school (AR School for the Blind Library) with me - the kids loved him. I
was expecting to lose him fairly soon but this was a shock.
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Im so sorry to hear about Jingles. Its good that you were there for him. I
liked that you wrote about his past. I hope you can find comfort in your good
times with him. Prayers and thoughts your way
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS
My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking
about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was
fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this
week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't
bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all
looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when
I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him
up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue
comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him
because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I
sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen
anything like that.
Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone
downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an
end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an
elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and
I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Bless you for caring for this little soul. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
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Thank you. He was a gift in my life! Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bless you for caring for this little soul. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
RE: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Thanks, Diane. I love knowing that he is healthy now and feels good. Would sure rather, tho, that he could have been just as healthy and good-feeling and in my bed at night. Than Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry, Susan. Hugs to you and a gentle Bridge journey to Jingles. Thanks for telling us about him. Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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I'm so sorry! Jingles sounds like a sweet little angel. Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:02:04 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please add Jingles to the CLSTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart. _ Messenger Café — open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_AugWLtagline
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I'm so sorry Susan. And I'm so very sorry too that you and Jingles had such a traumatic last time together. I'm just glad he was so loved, and that he knew it. It's wonderful that he had two such loving homes--that might easily have not been the case. It must be comforting that you had the wherewithal and knowhow to at least sedate him. Please know you're in my thoughts, hugs, Kerry _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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susan I am so sorry to hear about your Jingles.How aweful for you to see him like that.He was lucky to have you.Hugs to you. Sherry Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart. - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
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I am so sorry, Susan. This is just such a horrible disease. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
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I am so very sorry Susan to hear about Jingles. You were both so lucky to have found each other. I'm sorry your parting was so traumatic. Best to you and all your other babies. - Original Message - From: Susan Loesch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:02 PM Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Sleep soft, dear Jingles... Dear Susan, I'm so sorry for your loss. But I am sure your sweet little boy is now looking down on you with both eyes in perfect shape, sending you lots of kitty love. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Susan Loesch wrote: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Susan, I am so very sorry you lost your sweet baby...It had to be very hard going through this whole sad process. You were doing all you could and probably there was no way to make things better for him. We have so much yet to learn. I experienced, for the first time, something like this about a month ago, where someone had found a homeless kitten with terrible eye discharge...Upon cleaning this kitten's eyes, I realized both his eyes had ruptured. It is the most helpless feeling in the world when you realize there is nothing you can do to make their quality of life worth living...The kitten I was trying to help, I believe, had distemper? I never knew such things could happen with the eyes...Maybe someone here can comment on this... You did a wonderful job with your Jingles, having had him for 5-years! He certainly was happy and loved. It is just too bad for you, that you had to go through all this the way you did...Bless your heart! Glenda --- Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart. Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Susan, I am so sorry to hear about Jingles. I hope his passing was an easy one. It was kind of you to let him go. I couldn't believe it when I read about what happened to his little eye. What in the world do you think it was? Again, I am so, so sorry. How wonderful that you took him in after his caregiver died and loved him even knowing he had FeLV and might not be around for long. You're an angel. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
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To Megan: Re: Olive
Hey Megan, How are you doing tonight? And how is Olive? Did you find anything else out today? As far as what type of anemia it is, Belinda is right that it probably needs to be typed. But, no matter what, get her on that doxy asap if you can. Hemobart is treatable and it could very easily be that. I'm not sure why you think it's non-regenerative anemia. Did the vet tell you that? As far as I know, you don't have to do a bone aspirate to find out. My vet looked at whether or not Cricket had reticulocytes in his blood when he was anemic. If there are reticulocytes, then the body is trying to make rbc's, and it is regenerative anemia. Cricket had regenerative, but the vet said something about autohemolytic anemia, which means the body is killing off the blood cells as they are made. Whether or not that was from hemobart, I'll never know. When Cricket was sick, the vet never mentioned doxycycline or hemobart (or maybe the did the test and said he was negative), so I didn't know about the doxy. Sometimes I wonder if Cricket would still be here had he been on doxy. I didn't learn about hemobart until it was too late. If your vet seems like he's willing to learn, and you like him, then it's ok to stay with him. BUT, make sure you still get Olive seen at the university as soon as possible. Olive might be a learning experience for your current vet and maybe his experience with her will help save someone else's beloved kitty. However, if you feel he feels Olive's a lost cause, run. Find another vet. You need someone who will fight for her. You can also show him or share with him the info. you are learning here. It might also help. You don't have to get the the next transfusion from one of your cats, however you will probably have to have Olive blood typed for the next one. I think you can only give cats one untyped blood transfusion. Not sure on that though. Please keep us posted Megan, and prayers going out for little Olive and her siblings. :) Wendy Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
Nova Please add to the CLS
Well poor Nova has now crossed the bridge.will this aweful disease ever cured? Only in our dreams. :( Jen sent out an e-mail to all the volunteers tonight about Genevieve and Nova.I am getting many e-mails from all the wonderful volunteers that knew how much I loved my VitterVits - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Re: Sylvester died at home this morning
Dear Tracy: I was so sad to read your story of your wonderful Sylvester and his peaceful passing up in your box spring. And also, how he showed the doctor that he was just fine--I think he was thanking his vet, in a way, for all the help he had been given there. And thanking you and the other kitties for all the happy life he had with you--even if some of them terrorized him! He clearly wanted to pass away with you--and he did! My very BEST thoughts for Sylvester and for you and the other kitties, too. xxx, Tee 'n' the Wildlife Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 25, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Tracy Weese wrote: My giant (well, he used to be) ol' farm cat died this morning at home. Sylvester came off a farm where I take care of a dwindling (thanks to TNR) cat colony. He got very sick about 2 years ago and I took him to the vet...of course it was more than being sick, he had FeLV +. So he came home with my other cats (I had few other positives then, after today down to two now and soon to be one-CW is anemic and fading, too). He was big when I got him, about 16 pounds despite being so ill. After many at the vets' and then living at home, he was up to 22 lbs! He stayed pretty healthy for about 1 year and 4 months (he was probably 7 when I got him). He always had a little cough the vets thought was asthma (and yes, we checked and re-checked this). But recently, he was not the same, more coughing, high fever, not eatingturns out his blood counts were all haywire. Low RBC, Low white count and low plateletsthe antibiotics for the fever made his tummy hurt, too. So at the vet yesterday I asked if it was time to let him go (he lost 2 lbs in a week), the vet didn't think so bec. of course, he perked up at the vets' and purred and pranced...He got a vitamin B12 shot and his very first steroid shot (yes, we discussed that steriods in a FeLV+ cat were a last resort). When we got home, he had a good night. He ate some, and hung out with me and the others (he had been staying under the bed except when I would drag him out for meds). He even played some and tried to squeeze into a tiny box like he used to. This morning I awoke to a few sounds of slight distresshe was sleeping under the bed again (actually, the cats tore the bottom fabric of the box springs and he would sleep inside the box springs). I reached down and touched him and told him I was there and then went to get a carrier to go to the vet. In the seconds it took for me to run downstairs and get the carrier and come back up, he was gone. I had to cut the rest of the fabric to get him since he would lay furtherst from the opening. I pulled him out and he was still, he looked very peaceful--no signs of struggle on him or under the bed. This is the very first cat I have had that died at home (and I have a cabinet full of cremated remains)...it was not terrible, but I did not plan it. Last night was so good for him, I guess he had only one last good night in him. He died with me nearby and in the place he felt safest, under the bed. I took him to the vets' so he can be cremated. I don't think he suffered but a few short seconds if that. I gave him permission several days ago to leave if he needed to, I guess he needed to go today. Although I will miss him, several of my other cats will not. He was a gentle giant, but a few of my smaller cats terrorized him if they got the chance. He never struck out first and usually retreated, but he was always a sweetie to people. Please think good thoughts for Sylvester.
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Poor dear Jingles. Sherpa and Autumn took great care to be with him on Saturday for you. I'm so sorry that this awful thing happened. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 29, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Susan Loesch wrote: My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
RE: To Megan: Re: Olive
I guess I figured it was NRA, just because that seems most likely to me. If she tested positive on the IFA, doesn't that mean the infection's spread to her bone marrow, and therefore she can't produce new RBCs? The vet didn't tell me which one it was, but I'll ask tomorrow, if he even knows. Olive did have her blood typed, and she's type A, fortunately. That's what you were asking, right? The reason her brother Kudzu had to give her blood was that there was apparently no blood stored up anywhere nearby. This now seems slightly ridiculous to me, what with the vet school and all. Surely there would be available blood somewhere in Knoxville or the surrounding area. Still, I think Kudzu would've had to have been used regardless at the time, because Olive would probably have died within a few hours if not for the transfusion. Her packed cell count had gotten down to 4.5%. As for how she's doing today She's still up and active, behaving pretty normally. She does seem slightly slower today, unfortunately, and the coloration in her pads has gone down. Although, I think they may actually look a bit better now than they did earlier today. I don't know, it may just be my imagination. I left a message with my vet today, but unfortunately he did not get to talk to the vet school today. He will tomorrow, and we'll also be getting my other cats' results back. I'm also trying to get in touch with another vet who is supposedly very passionate and will do whatever he can to save an animal. This sounds like the type of vet I need, and hopefully I will talk to him tomorrow. We'll see. Please keep Olive in your thoughts. Hopefully she will be alright for the next few days, so we can prepare to give her another blood transfusion if need be. It seems like we might have to just to get her cell count back up, and then we can start giving her meds. I am definitely going to push for the haemobartonella meds, and I will ask about interferon, too. Thank you all for your help so far. You give me hope when I'm feeling more lost than ever. Keep your fingers crossed that my other two turn out to be negative. -Megan = Original Message From wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Hey Megan, How are you doing tonight? And how is Olive? Did you find anything else out today? As far as what type of anemia it is, Belinda is right that it probably needs to be typed. But, no matter what, get her on that doxy asap if you can. Hemobart is treatable and it could very easily be that. I'm not sure why you think it's non-regenerative anemia. Did the vet tell you that? As far as I know, you don't have to do a bone aspirate to find out. My vet looked at whether or not Cricket had reticulocytes in his blood when he was anemic. If there are reticulocytes, then the body is trying to make rbc's, and it is regenerative anemia. Cricket had regenerative, but the vet said something about autohemolytic anemia, which means the body is killing off the blood cells as they are made. Whether or not that was from hemobart, I'll never know. When Cricket was sick, the vet never mentioned doxycycline or hemobart (or maybe the did the test and said he was negative), so I didn't know about the doxy. Sometimes I wonder if Cricket would still be here had he been on doxy. I didn't learn about hemobart until it was too late. If your vet seems like he's willing to learn, and you like him, then it's ok to stay with him. BUT, make sure you still get Olive seen at the university as soon as possible. Olive might be a learning experience for your current vet and maybe his experience with her will help save someone else's beloved kitty. However, if you feel he feels Olive's a lost cause, run. Find another vet. You need someone who will fight for her. You can also show him or share with him the info. you are learning here. It might also help. You don't have to get the the next transfusion from one of your cats, however you will probably have to have Olive blood typed for the next one. I think you can only give cats one untyped blood transfusion. Not sure on that though. Please keep us posted Megan, and prayers going out for little Olive and her siblings. :) Wendy __ __ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
RE: Nova Please add to the CLS
Such sadness for you this week! Gentle Bridge vibes to Nova. Diane R. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:02 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: Nova Please add to the CLS Well poor Nova has now crossed the bridge.will this aweful disease ever cured? Only in our dreams. :( Jen sent out an e-mail to all the volunteers tonight about Genevieve and Nova.I am getting many e-mails from all the wonderful volunteers that knew how much I loved my VitterVits _ Be a better Heartthrob. Get http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48255/*http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/_ylc=X3oDMTI 5MGx2aThyBF9TAzIxMTU1MDAzNTIEX3MDMzk2NTQ1MTAzBHNlYwNCQUJwaWxsYXJfTklfMzYwBHN sawNQcm9kdWN0X3F1ZXN0aW9uX3BhZ2U-?link=listsid=396545433 better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
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Hi everyone! I haven't been on in awhile but I use to post! My cat Crackers is FELV POS Found out 1 yr ago. His 1 yr anniversary of being positive. In the last year he has only had 1 eye infection 11 months ago.and has gained 3 1/2 lbs making him a whooping 22lbs now. He is happy healthy and enjoying life with his new brother Blue (8 month American Bulldog) We got him at 9 weeks old. Having Blue to play with has been a wonderful experience in Crackers life. They play together,eat and sleep together. Just wanted to share the great news and THANK everyone again for all the great advice and info I got last year when I was going crazy! You guys are the best. And my devilish side wants to so bad send his EX Vet Crackers pix and say this is the Baby doll you wanted to put to sleep last year with no illness signs just the diagnois of being FELV Pos. Much love and Happiness to everyone! Kayte and Crackers ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
