Re: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

[Sharyl]

Dearest Terrie,
I was saddened to read of your dear husbands illness.  Of course you need to 
be with him at this difficult time.  As someone who will turn 64 this year, I 
agree he far too young to be facing this.
 
You both are in my thoughts and prayers
Sharyl
 

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From: ter...@tazzys.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 9:09 PM





Hi all,
I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has liver 
failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been hospitalized 2 
times this month and once last month he was placed into a skill nursing 
facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to the hospital. 
He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. 
Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for 
comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. 
I want to make myself available at all times for him. 
He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it 
isn't really.
Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this. Hospice 
is available to me 24 hours a day.
 
Sincerely,
Terrie
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

[Debbie Bates]

Terrie, I am so sorry you are going through such a difficult timeyou are in 
my prayers, as is you husband...may his passing be peaceful and may you have 
solace in knowing you were with him.

Debbie 
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Re: [Felvtalk] "I am always with Her"

[Debbie Bates]

I would LOVE to read any other things you have saved!!! Please feel free to 
email me.

Debbie 
~ When the world says, "Give up," hope whispers, "Try it one more time" ~ 


 
> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:58:42 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] "I am always with Her"
> 
> I have no idea where it came from; I wish I had written it - obviously by
> someone who understood cats. I've had it in my files for a while, along with
> some other great ones. It's so true, one can just imagine a cat
> thinking.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Claudia Veiga
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:33 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] "I am always with Her"
> 
> Hi Natalie,
>   Did you write this poem or knwo where it comes from? It helped me at the 
> time my little furbaby crossed over to Rainbow Bridge.   I think it must be 
> true.
> 
> thanks
> Claudia
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org" 
> 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 1:00:09 PM
> Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 33
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>   1. Re: For all who have lost their beloved cats! (Sara Kasteleyn)
>   2. Re: For all who have lost their beloved cats! (Bonnie Hogue)
>   3. Re: LTCI thank you! (Sean T. Collins)
>   4. Re: For all who have lost their beloved cats! (Sally Davis)
>   5. Cat Foof (Katy Doyle)
>   6. Re: Cat Foof (Katy Doyle)
>   7. Re: Cat Foof (MaiMaiPG)
>   8. Re: Cat claws (POTT, BEVERLY)
>   9. Re: Cat Foof (Jannes Taylor)
>   10. Re: Cat Foof (Christiane Biagi)
>   11. Re: Cat Food (Sharyl)
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:16:14 -0700
> From: "Sara Kasteleyn" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For all who have lost their beloved cats!
> Message-ID: <3066685843.20110327101...@cicresearch.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> 
> Me, too.  Thanks for those beautiful thoughts.  Sara
> 
> --Original Mail--
> From: "a h" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:36:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For all who have lost their beloved cats!
> 
> that made me cry
> Alice
> - Original Message - 
> From: Natalie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:14 AM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] For all who have lost their beloved cats!
> 
> 
> I Am Always With Her 
> 
> 
> 
> And God asked the feline spirit,
> 
> "Are you ready to come home?" 
> 
> "Oh, yes, quite so," replied the precious soul, "And, as a cat, you know I
> am most able to decide anything for myself." 
> 
> "Are you coming then?" asked God. 
> 
> "Soon," replied the whiskered angel,
> 
> "But I must come slowly, for my human friend is troubled For, you see, she
> needs me, quite certainly." 
> 
> "But doesn't she understand?" asked God, "That you'll never leave her? 
> 
> That your souls are intertwined. For all eternity? 
> 
> That nothing is created or destroyed? It just isforever and ever and
> ever." 
> 
> "Eventually she will understand," replied the glorious cat, "For I will
> whisper into her heart that I am always with her, I just amforever and
> ever and ever." 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:52:02 -0700
> From: "Bonnie Hogue" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For all who have lost their beloved cats!
> Message-ID: <738E26ABEAA34B6D87F081802D2B7A84@bonnietkude96r>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
> 
> It's true, isn't it.
> Thank you.
> ~Bonnie
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Natalie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:14 AM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] For all who have lost th

Re: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

[Katy Doyle]

Terrie,

Do whatever you have to do, family is very important.

You and your husband will be in my T&P.

--Katy

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM,  wrote:

>   Hi all,
> I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has
> liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been
> hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed into a
> skill nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to
> the hospital.
> He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working.
> Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for
> comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again.
> I want to make myself available at all times for him.
> He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it
> isn't really.
> Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of
> this. Hospice is available to me 24 hours a day.
>
> Sincerely,
> Terrie
>
>
>
> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
> Sultan, WA. 98294
> Terrie Mohr-Forker
> http://tazzys.org/
> Non-Profit national rescue
> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

[Katy Doyle]

Thanks for the advice everyone, I'll start mixing in cooked meat with their
dried Purina/Blue Buffalo mixture.

(I tend to mix dry foods together, they like picking the flavor they want to
eat that day! I never spoil my animals!)


Now I am curious, what's wrong with tuna? (One of my cats wont eat fish
anyway, so I wouldn't feed it very often, I'd just like to know.)

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:

> They aren't thrilled w. Turkey but LOVE that Sardines, Shrimp & Crab.  We
> rotate through the different "flavors" cause we wouldn't want the little
> buggers to get bored with their food-LOL.  They finally agreed to all eat
> some Blue Buffalo Lite dry but it took a bit of doing.  They're not spoiled
> or anything!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:25 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
>
> My cats eat canned "Wellness" but only the salmon and turkey flavor.  Go
> figure.
> They *Love* "Prarie" chicken dryed catfood.  It's pretty good
> nutrition-wise.  And no, it's not made out of 'prarie chickens'...
> ~Bonnie
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christiane Biagi" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
>
>
> > They can be fussy, can't they! LOL  My brood eats wellness canned but
> > when I tried wellness dry as supplement, they turned up their noses.
> > Have a friend who had a cat that lived to her early 20's--wouldn't eat
> > anything xcept 9-Lives (which is not the worst food in the world).
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes
> > Taylor
> > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:41 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
> >
> > I have found that my cats, even Amber my felv cat does not care for
> > the more "expensive/healthy" food. I fed her that at first and after
> > she got past her starvation mode,(a time when she was grateful for
> > anything to eat), she would not eat it as well. I switched to the Meow
> > Mix shredded with gravy and they all love that. I tried feeding my
> > other cats the "healthy stuff" as well and they tried to cover it up
> > like it was a bowel movement..LOL.
> >
> > Amber will eat cooked chicken but my other cats won't eat anything but
> > cat food.
> >
> > I aree with supplementing their junk food cat food with real meat if
> > you can get them to eat it. I am feeding Amber the Fancy Feast brand
> > as well, but it not really a "healthy" brand... It is not cheap in
> > price though.
> >
> > Jannes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: MaiMaiPG 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:47:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
> >
> > You may want to supplement what ever food you chose with chicken,
> > ground beef or tuna. I've been able to get whole chicken at 69 or 79
> > cents a pound near the end of sell by date and recently picked up a
> > couple of hundred cans of tuna at
> > 39 cents each. When you figure out the per pound price you are paying
> > a lot less than cat food and using all of the product. Before anyone
> > jumps on me, the tuna is for putting meds in and is usually divided by
> > 6 cats or by 2 cats and a dog. I would never feed it entirely.
> >
> > I can feed 7 cats and a dog for 3-4 days with a whole chicken. Same
> > with hamburger.
> > On Mar 28, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:
> >
> >> And that subject is supposed to be "cat food"... Typos!
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Katy Doyle 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What kind of food do you feed your cats?
> >>>
> >>> I was feeding the Blue Buffalo and I really liked it, but it is
> >>>getting too expensive because of my furlough days at work.
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking for something affordable but still good for cats that
> >>> are
> > FeLV+.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Katy
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

[Katy Doyle]

And another question, how do you cook the meat? (grilled, baked, pan fried,
boiled)




On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:

> Thanks for the advice everyone, I'll start mixing in cooked meat with their
> dried Purina/Blue Buffalo mixture.
>
> (I tend to mix dry foods together, they like picking the flavor they want
> to eat that day! I never spoil my animals!)
>
>
> Now I am curious, what's wrong with tuna? (One of my cats wont eat fish
> anyway, so I wouldn't feed it very often, I'd just like to know.)
>
>   On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Christiane Biagi  > wrote:
>
>> They aren't thrilled w. Turkey but LOVE that Sardines, Shrimp & Crab.  We
>> rotate through the different "flavors" cause we wouldn't want the little
>> buggers to get bored with their food-LOL.  They finally agreed to all eat
>> some Blue Buffalo Lite dry but it took a bit of doing.  They're not
>> spoiled
>> or anything!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:25 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
>>
>> My cats eat canned "Wellness" but only the salmon and turkey flavor.  Go
>> figure.
>> They *Love* "Prarie" chicken dryed catfood.  It's pretty good
>> nutrition-wise.  And no, it's not made out of 'prarie chickens'...
>> ~Bonnie
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Christiane Biagi" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
>>
>>
>> > They can be fussy, can't they! LOL  My brood eats wellness canned but
>> > when I tried wellness dry as supplement, they turned up their noses.
>> > Have a friend who had a cat that lived to her early 20's--wouldn't eat
>> > anything xcept 9-Lives (which is not the worst food in the world).
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes
>> > Taylor
>> > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:41 AM
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
>> >
>> > I have found that my cats, even Amber my felv cat does not care for
>> > the more "expensive/healthy" food. I fed her that at first and after
>> > she got past her starvation mode,(a time when she was grateful for
>> > anything to eat), she would not eat it as well. I switched to the Meow
>> > Mix shredded with gravy and they all love that. I tried feeding my
>> > other cats the "healthy stuff" as well and they tried to cover it up
>> > like it was a bowel movement..LOL.
>> >
>> > Amber will eat cooked chicken but my other cats won't eat anything but
>> > cat food.
>> >
>> > I aree with supplementing their junk food cat food with real meat if
>> > you can get them to eat it. I am feeding Amber the Fancy Feast brand
>> > as well, but it not really a "healthy" brand... It is not cheap in
>> > price though.
>> >
>> > Jannes
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> > From: MaiMaiPG 
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:47:40 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
>> >
>> > You may want to supplement what ever food you chose with chicken,
>> > ground beef or tuna. I've been able to get whole chicken at 69 or 79
>> > cents a pound near the end of sell by date and recently picked up a
>> > couple of hundred cans of tuna at
>> > 39 cents each. When you figure out the per pound price you are paying
>> > a lot less than cat food and using all of the product. Before anyone
>> > jumps on me, the tuna is for putting meds in and is usually divided by
>> > 6 cats or by 2 cats and a dog. I would never feed it entirely.
>> >
>> > I can feed 7 cats and a dog for 3-4 days with a whole chicken. Same
>> > with hamburger.
>> > On Mar 28, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:
>> >
>> >> And that subject is supposed to be "cat food"... Typos!
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Katy Doyle 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> What kind of food do you feed your cats?
>> >>>
>> >>> I was feeding the Blue Buffalo and I really liked it, but it is
>> >>>getting too expensive because of my furlough days at work.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm looking for something affordable but still good for cats that
>> >>> are
>> > FeLV+.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Katy
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

[tamara stickler]

Terrie,
 
I am SO SORRY to hear what you and your husband are going through.  Know you 
have my prayers.
 
64 is too young to go home.  But then a friend of a friend once told us that 
those who leave earth early are the "Good workers.  Everyone of us has a 
mission to fulfill here on earth and we don't go home until we have done that.  
Some of us are just quicker workers than others."  ;-)  Josh told us this a 
week before he died of cancer.  He was 13.  
 
You're husband has done his work well.  He'll go home with honors.  
 
May you be supported in your grief with the knowledge that the separation is 
only temporary.
 
God bless you both.
 
T

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From: ter...@tazzys.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 9:09 PM





Hi all,
I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has liver 
failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been hospitalized 2 
times this month and once last month he was placed into a skill nursing 
facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to the hospital. 
He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. 
Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for 
comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. 
I want to make myself available at all times for him. 
He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it 
isn't really.
Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this. Hospice 
is available to me 24 hours a day.
 
Sincerely,
Terrie
 
 
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Sultan, WA. 98294
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Re: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

[merrykatmeows]

 

 Dear Terrie,

I am keeping you & your husband in my thoughts & prayers.

Young or old, it is never easy saying 'Good-bye" to someone you love.

May your memories & your love help you through this time of sorrow.

We are also grieving with you - 


 

 With deepest sympathy,

Kat (Mew Jersey)


-Original Message-
From: ter...@tazzys.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:09 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.




Hi all,
I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has liver 
failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been hospitalized 2 
times this month and once last month he was placed into a skill nursing 
facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to the hospital. 
He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. 
Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for 
comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. 
I want to make myself available at all times for him. 
He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it 
isn't really.
Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this. Hospice 
is available to me 24 hours a day.
 
Sincerely,
Terrie

 

 
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Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
Non-Profit national rescue
Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

[Beth]

Terri -
I am so sorry you are having to go through this difficult time. My thoughts are 
with you & your husband.

Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

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From: ter...@tazzys.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 9:09 PM



Hi all,
I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has liver 
failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been hospitalized 2 
times this month and once last month he was placed into a skill nursing 
facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to the hospital. 
He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. 
Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for 
comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. 
I want to make myself available at all times for him. 
He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it 
isn't really.
Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this. Hospice 
is available to me 24 hours a day.
 
Sincerely,
Terrie
 
 
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[Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Beth]

Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive thru 
lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at first. She was a 
tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even see her. She 
blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could barely make a sound. I put her 
in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some other volunteers who took her to the 
emergency vet.
She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive & had 
severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old 
though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to 
raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her heart 
was barely pumping. 
I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow Bridge.
It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people saw 
her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even sadder 
because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way. At least 
she had a name :(

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

[Natalie]

I boil it on low heat in not too much water; it makes it very soft and you
can also use the concentrated broth.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

And another question, how do you cook the meat? (grilled, baked, pan fried,
boiled)




On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Katy Doyle
wrote:

> Thanks for the advice everyone, I'll start mixing in cooked meat with
their
> dried Purina/Blue Buffalo mixture.
>
> (I tend to mix dry foods together, they like picking the flavor they want
> to eat that day! I never spoil my animals!)
>
>
> Now I am curious, what's wrong with tuna? (One of my cats wont eat fish
> anyway, so I wouldn't feed it very often, I'd just like to know.)
>
>   On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Christiane Biagi  > wrote:
>
>> They aren't thrilled w. Turkey but LOVE that Sardines, Shrimp & Crab.  We
>> rotate through the different "flavors" cause we wouldn't want the little
>> buggers to get bored with their food-LOL.  They finally agreed to all eat
>> some Blue Buffalo Lite dry but it took a bit of doing.  They're not
>> spoiled
>> or anything!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:25 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
>>
>> My cats eat canned "Wellness" but only the salmon and turkey flavor.  Go
>> figure.
>> They *Love* "Prarie" chicken dryed catfood.  It's pretty good
>> nutrition-wise.  And no, it's not made out of 'prarie chickens'...
>> ~Bonnie
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Christiane Biagi" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
>>
>>
>> > They can be fussy, can't they! LOL  My brood eats wellness canned but
>> > when I tried wellness dry as supplement, they turned up their noses.
>> > Have a friend who had a cat that lived to her early 20's--wouldn't eat
>> > anything xcept 9-Lives (which is not the worst food in the world).
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes
>> > Taylor
>> > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:41 AM
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
>> >
>> > I have found that my cats, even Amber my felv cat does not care for
>> > the more "expensive/healthy" food. I fed her that at first and after
>> > she got past her starvation mode,(a time when she was grateful for
>> > anything to eat), she would not eat it as well. I switched to the Meow
>> > Mix shredded with gravy and they all love that. I tried feeding my
>> > other cats the "healthy stuff" as well and they tried to cover it up
>> > like it was a bowel movement..LOL.
>> >
>> > Amber will eat cooked chicken but my other cats won't eat anything but
>> > cat food.
>> >
>> > I aree with supplementing their junk food cat food with real meat if
>> > you can get them to eat it. I am feeding Amber the Fancy Feast brand
>> > as well, but it not really a "healthy" brand... It is not cheap in
>> > price though.
>> >
>> > Jannes
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> > From: MaiMaiPG 
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:47:40 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
>> >
>> > You may want to supplement what ever food you chose with chicken,
>> > ground beef or tuna. I've been able to get whole chicken at 69 or 79
>> > cents a pound near the end of sell by date and recently picked up a
>> > couple of hundred cans of tuna at
>> > 39 cents each. When you figure out the per pound price you are paying
>> > a lot less than cat food and using all of the product. Before anyone
>> > jumps on me, the tuna is for putting meds in and is usually divided by
>> > 6 cats or by 2 cats and a dog. I would never feed it entirely.
>> >
>> > I can feed 7 cats and a dog for 3-4 days with a whole chicken. Same
>> > with hamburger.
>> > On Mar 28, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:
>> >
>> >> And that subject is supposed to be "cat food"... Typos!
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Katy Doyle 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> What kind of food do you feed your cats?
>> >>>
>> >>> I was feeding the Blue Buffalo and I really liked it, but it is
>> >>>getting too expensive because of my furlough days at work.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm looking for something affordable but still good for cats that
>> >>> are
>> > FeLV+.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Katy
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

[Sara Kasteleyn]

Terri, you are in our thoughts and prayers.  What a difficult time for you
and your family.  Hospice is such a blessing, and I'm glad they are there
for you.

 

Blessings to you and your husband.  Sara

 

 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ter...@tazzys.org
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

 

Hi all,

I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has
liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been
hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed into a
skill nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to
the hospital. 

He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. 

Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for
comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. 

I want to make myself available at all times for him. 

He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it
isn't really.

Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this.
Hospice is available to me 24 hours a day.

 

Sincerely,

Terrie

 

 

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[Felvtalk] Fish for cats

[Natalie]

I have always wondered why cats like fish.it's not a natural food for them,
they don't fish...

 

Tuna:

Mindy Bough, veterinary technician for the ASPCA Pet Nutrition and Science
Advisory Service, dishes out the facts on this savory feline fave:

"An occasional tuna treat for your cat is generally harmless," says Bough.
"However, if a large part of the cat's diet consists of tuna--or if the cat
is fed tuna exclusively--some problems are likely to arise."

Tuna does not contain significant amounts of vitamin E, for example, so too
much of the fish can lead to vitamin E deficiency, resulting in yellow fat
disease, or steatitis. Symptoms include loss of appetite, fever and
hypersensitivity to touch, due to inflammation and necrosis of fat under the
skin. Felines who are fed too much tuna can develop other nutrient
deficiencies, too, because most de-boned fish are lacking in calcium,
sodium, iron, copper and several other vitamins.

Mercury, frequently present in tuna, also presents a potential danger. "At
low levels, this may not be a concern," explains Bough, "but if tuna is fed
nearly exclusively, it could pose significant problems."

The bottom line? "I recommend premium commercial food for domestic cats,"
Bough says. "These foods are formulated to meet all of a cat's dietary
needs. 

 

 

http://www.provet.co.uk/petfacts/healthtips/rawfish.htm 

Many owners consider fish to be the staple diet of cats - and they believe
that it is beneficial to feed them an exclusively fish ration. 

Fish is a good raw ingredient to incorporate into cat foods, but it has
certain draw backs. Firstly it does not contain all the nutrients that a cat
requires and, like meat, it is deficient in calcium with an inverse
calcium:phosphorus ratio. Coley (or Saithe) a popular fish with cat owners
in the UK and the fillet cut contains 15-20 mg calcium per 100g but over 200
mg phosphorus per 100g, a Ca:P ratio of 1:10. Cod and other white fish are
similar. 

If owners are feeding fish bones should be removed to avoid complications.
Fish should be cooked to avoid the possibility of disease transmission.  

"Salmon poisoning" has been recorded in cats which contracted the disease
caused by Neorickettsiae spp from eating raw salmon or trout. This disease
occurs within 2 weeks of the ingestion of infected food and causes the
following signs : 

*   Depression 
*   Fever 
*   Lymphadenopathy - swelling of the lymph nodes 
*   Oculonasal discharge 
*   Haematemesis - vomiting blood 
*   Diarrhoea 
*   Death - 90% in untreated cases. 

Diagnosis is confirmed by finding trematode eggs in faeces samples, or
rickettsiae in lymph node samples.

Clinical cases of thiamine deficiency are periodically seen by veterinarians
due to cats being fed  fish - as commercially prepared canned food, or as
raw fish. Thiamin (vitamin B1) is an essential dietary nutrient for cats.
Processing can destroy thiamine in a food, and so reduce the initial
concentrations present at canning, and some fish (including herring and
carp) contain the thiaminase which will destroy thiamine. 

Clinical signs of thiamine deficiency include : 

*   Anorexia 
*   Ataxia - 2-3 days later 
*   Vomiting 
*   Convulsions - short  
*   Dilation of the pupils 
*   Ventroflexion of the neck (Chastek's paralysis) 

Affected patients will die unless treatment is administered (100-250 mg
thiamine IV or SC twice daily). In most cases a complete recovery can be
expected in treated cases unless severe central nervous system has occurred.


Confirmation of diagnosis is not readily available : 

*   Increased plasma pyruvate 
*   Increased plasma lactate 
*   Reduced erythrocyte trans-ketolase activity (a thiamine-dependant
enzyme) 

Some fish are particularly high in oil content, and pansteatitis or "yellow
fat disease" is caused by the intake of too much fat in the absence of
adequate antioxidant. Red-meat tuna has been reported to be particularly
involved as a cause of this in cats. The cause of the disease is
accumulation of peroxides - the end product of rancidification of fat - in
the cats adipose tissue causing yellow-brown discolouration.

Clinical signs of pansteatitis include :

*   Abdominal Pain 
*   Anorexia 
*   Fever 
*   Lethargy 
*   Hardening of subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat depots 
*   Occasionally ascites (low in protein content;  compare with FIP -
high in protein content) 

The condition is treated with dietary management (a complete and balanced
diet), Vitamin E supplementation (30mg alpha-tocopherol/day ) , and some
authors recommend the use of corticosteroids. 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Sherry DeHaan]

So freakin sad...Thank you for caring for her  :(
Sherry


"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way"

--- On Tue, 3/29/11, Beth  wrote:


From: Beth 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:06 PM


Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive thru 
lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at first. She was a 
tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even see her. She 
blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could barely make a sound. I put her 
in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some other volunteers who took her to the 
emergency vet.
She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive & had 
severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old 
though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to 
raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her heart 
was barely pumping. 
I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow Bridge.
It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people saw 
her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even sadder 
because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way. At least 
she had a name :(

Beth
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[Felvtalk] FW: Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

[Natalie]

Dear Terrie,
I am so sorry that you have to go through all this - age 64 is really
young...as one gets older, what is considered "old", keeps moving up and up!
My thoughts are with you and your dear husband.
Natalie
_
From: "ter...@tazzys.org" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:09:59 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

Hi all,I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He
has 
liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been 
hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed into a
skill 
nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to the 
hospital. 

He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. 
Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for 
comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. 

I want to make myself available at all times for him. 
He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it
isn't 
really.
Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this.
Hospice 
is available to me 24 hours a day.
 
Sincerely,
Terrie 
 
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Sultan, WA. 98294
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[Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself

[Maureen Olvey]

I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself.  Is it all the same virus or 
does it mutate and change like the herpes virus that causes URI?  What I'm 
wondering is that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus but 
extinguished it, is he immune for life?  Seems like I read that.  So if I 
brought in another FeLV + kitty and my resident cat has already gotten some 
immunity from the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean 
being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the same as the virus 
that he was first exposed to so his immunity would work against that virus?  
Does that make sense?  I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV + cat would I 
need to vaccinate my cat that has already been exposed and extinguished the 
virus.
 
Anyone have a clue?  I guess the main question is if the virus mutates from cat 
to cat or is it always the same virus and doesn't change.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Peggy Verdonck]

So sad! Poor Lola! :-(

2011/3/29 Sherry DeHaan 

> So freakin sad...Thank you for caring for her  :(
> Sherry
>
>
> "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
> than our own,
> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its awful gaps.
> We still would have it no other way"
>
> --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Beth  wrote:
>
>
> From: Beth 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
> To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:06 PM
>
>
> Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive
> thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at first. She
> was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even see
> her. She blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could barely make a
> sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some other volunteers
> who took her to the emergency vet.
> She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive & had
> severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old
> though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to
> raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her
> heart was barely pumping.
> I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow
> Bridge.
> It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people
> saw her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even
> sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way.
> At least she had a name :(
>
> Beth
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Natalie]

Thank you for caring for Lola - I hate to think how long she had been
there...what's wrong with people, how can they just look on and go on their
way
Unfortunately, as long as people consider it normal for cats to be outside,
they assume it's someone's catPeople are more likely to report a dog
without a leash than a cat.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

So freakin sad...Thank you for caring for her  :(
Sherry


"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way"

--- On Tue, 3/29/11, Beth  wrote:


From: Beth 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:06 PM


Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive
thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at first. She
was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even see
her. She blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could barely make a
sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some other volunteers
who took her to the emergency vet.
She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive & had
severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old
though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to
raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her
heart was barely pumping. 
I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow
Bridge.
It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people saw
her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even
sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way.
At least she had a name :(

Beth
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[Felvtalk] ImmunoRegulin

[Sharon Catalan]

Hello All,

I am new to the discussion board.  My cat Mr Gray has just been diagnosed
with FeLV.  He is not symptomatic yet although recently, he was also
diagnosed with Hyperthyroidism.  He is still very active and alert and
eating a lot.

I have been reading that ImmunoRegulin has been quite effective but I want
to know if any one of you out there tried it on their FeLV cats.  Any
response will be appreciated.  Thank you.

-- 
Sharon F Catalan
Carpe Diem!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fish for cats

[Christiane Biagi]

Guess the bottom line is just like it is for human--eat a bit of everything
& balance your diet.  Of course, for a couple of mine, "little bit" is a
challenge!  I have, however, tried to eliminate corn, wheat & soy cause my
Tucson seems to be a bit allergic to one of those (& she really doesn't need
fillers--all 17 lbs of her!)

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fish for cats

I have always wondered why cats like fish.it's not a natural food for them,
they don't fish...

 

Tuna:

Mindy Bough, veterinary technician for the ASPCA Pet Nutrition and Science
Advisory Service, dishes out the facts on this savory feline fave:

"An occasional tuna treat for your cat is generally harmless," says Bough.
"However, if a large part of the cat's diet consists of tuna--or if the cat
is fed tuna exclusively--some problems are likely to arise."

Tuna does not contain significant amounts of vitamin E, for example, so too
much of the fish can lead to vitamin E deficiency, resulting in yellow fat
disease, or steatitis. Symptoms include loss of appetite, fever and
hypersensitivity to touch, due to inflammation and necrosis of fat under the
skin. Felines who are fed too much tuna can develop other nutrient
deficiencies, too, because most de-boned fish are lacking in calcium,
sodium, iron, copper and several other vitamins.

Mercury, frequently present in tuna, also presents a potential danger. "At
low levels, this may not be a concern," explains Bough, "but if tuna is fed
nearly exclusively, it could pose significant problems."

The bottom line? "I recommend premium commercial food for domestic cats,"
Bough says. "These foods are formulated to meet all of a cat's dietary
needs. 

 

 

http://www.provet.co.uk/petfacts/healthtips/rawfish.htm 

Many owners consider fish to be the staple diet of cats - and they believe
that it is beneficial to feed them an exclusively fish ration. 

Fish is a good raw ingredient to incorporate into cat foods, but it has
certain draw backs. Firstly it does not contain all the nutrients that a cat
requires and, like meat, it is deficient in calcium with an inverse
calcium:phosphorus ratio. Coley (or Saithe) a popular fish with cat owners
in the UK and the fillet cut contains 15-20 mg calcium per 100g but over 200
mg phosphorus per 100g, a Ca:P ratio of 1:10. Cod and other white fish are
similar. 

If owners are feeding fish bones should be removed to avoid complications.
Fish should be cooked to avoid the possibility of disease transmission.  

"Salmon poisoning" has been recorded in cats which contracted the disease
caused by Neorickettsiae spp from eating raw salmon or trout. This disease
occurs within 2 weeks of the ingestion of infected food and causes the
following signs : 

*   Depression 
*   Fever 
*   Lymphadenopathy - swelling of the lymph nodes 
*   Oculonasal discharge 
*   Haematemesis - vomiting blood 
*   Diarrhoea 
*   Death - 90% in untreated cases. 

Diagnosis is confirmed by finding trematode eggs in faeces samples, or
rickettsiae in lymph node samples.

Clinical cases of thiamine deficiency are periodically seen by veterinarians
due to cats being fed  fish - as commercially prepared canned food, or as
raw fish. Thiamin (vitamin B1) is an essential dietary nutrient for cats.
Processing can destroy thiamine in a food, and so reduce the initial
concentrations present at canning, and some fish (including herring and
carp) contain the thiaminase which will destroy thiamine. 

Clinical signs of thiamine deficiency include : 

*   Anorexia 
*   Ataxia - 2-3 days later 
*   Vomiting 
*   Convulsions - short  
*   Dilation of the pupils 
*   Ventroflexion of the neck (Chastek's paralysis) 

Affected patients will die unless treatment is administered (100-250 mg
thiamine IV or SC twice daily). In most cases a complete recovery can be
expected in treated cases unless severe central nervous system has occurred.


Confirmation of diagnosis is not readily available : 

*   Increased plasma pyruvate 
*   Increased plasma lactate 
*   Reduced erythrocyte trans-ketolase activity (a thiamine-dependant
enzyme) 

Some fish are particularly high in oil content, and pansteatitis or "yellow
fat disease" is caused by the intake of too much fat in the absence of
adequate antioxidant. Red-meat tuna has been reported to be particularly
involved as a cause of this in cats. The cause of the disease is
accumulation of peroxides - the end product of rancidification of fat - in
the cats adipose tissue causing yellow-brown discolouration.

Clinical signs of pansteatitis include :

*   Abdominal Pain 
*   Anorexia 
*   Fever 
*   Lethargy 
*   Hardening of subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat depots 
*   Occasionally ascites (low in prot

Re: [Felvtalk] ImmunoRegulin

[Natalie]

Here's a page of lots of info: It seems that the only time to ImmunoRegulin
is BEFORE there are any symptoms!  I don't know of anyone who has used it -
will ask my vet when I see him.  I would love to do more for my two FeLV
boys that are asymptomatic, besides good nutrition and supplements.
http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=ImmunoRegulin 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharon Catalan
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:42 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] ImmunoRegulin

Hello All,

I am new to the discussion board.  My cat Mr Gray has just been diagnosed
with FeLV.  He is not symptomatic yet although recently, he was also
diagnosed with Hyperthyroidism.  He is still very active and alert and
eating a lot.

I have been reading that ImmunoRegulin has been quite effective but I want
to know if any one of you out there tried it on their FeLV cats.  Any
response will be appreciated.  Thank you.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Bonnie Hogue]

Beth
You and the people who rush to help these sweet creatures like Lola are my 
heroes.  Your efforts, care and love have a huge impact, I think, on Lola 
and the larger world.  This story is sad and touching.  Thank you for all 
you do.


I'm reminded of the oft told story of the person visiting the beach, going 
for a walk.  They come upon many "beached" fish, flailing to survive. 
Thousands of them cover the beach.  The person commences to picking up as 
many as possible and transporting them to the sea.  A cynical onlooker 
chirps, "What are you doing?  Don't you see this is hopeless?  Look at all 
of these!  You can't possible save them!"  The person kept working, and 
throwing another rescued being into the sea, replied, "I just saved that 
one!"

And so we go.
Thank you.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: "Beth" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(


Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive 
thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at first. 
She was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't 
even see her. She blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could barely 
make a sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some other 
volunteers who took her to the emergency vet.
She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive & had 
severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old 
though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying 
to raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her 
heart was barely pumping.
I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow 
Bridge.
It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people 
saw her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even 
sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way. 
At least she had a name :(


Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] ImmunoRegulin

[Christiane Biagi]

My Tucson had a couple of episodes of very low white blood count.  She
wouldn't eat (which is a dead giveaway for her!) & vet treated with a series
of immune-regulin injections.  Don't know if it was that or what, but her
wbc jumped right back up.  She's 13 years old, 17 lbs.  Medically, I'm
usually a little quicker to take her to vet if she starts looking or acting
a bit peaked.  She's had some teeth problems, uri, & outside of those wbc
bouts, not much of anything else.  I do give her cosequin & found she moves
around a bit more.  She's a big cat & I don't mind her having a bit of a
paunch but she'd gotten to 18 1/2 lbs & I wanted her weight a tad lower-LOL

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharon Catalan
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:42 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] ImmunoRegulin

Hello All,

I am new to the discussion board.  My cat Mr Gray has just been diagnosed
with FeLV.  He is not symptomatic yet although recently, he was also
diagnosed with Hyperthyroidism.  He is still very active and alert and
eating a lot.

I have been reading that ImmunoRegulin has been quite effective but I want
to know if any one of you out there tried it on their FeLV cats.  Any
response will be appreciated.  Thank you.

--
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Katy Doyle]

Beth, I am glad you were there for Lola before she crossed the rainbow
bridge.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Bonnie Hogue  wrote:

> Beth
> You and the people who rush to help these sweet creatures like Lola are my
> heroes.  Your efforts, care and love have a huge impact, I think, on Lola
> and the larger world.  This story is sad and touching.  Thank you for all
> you do.
>
> I'm reminded of the oft told story of the person visiting the beach, going
> for a walk.  They come upon many "beached" fish, flailing to survive.
> Thousands of them cover the beach.  The person commences to picking up as
> many as possible and transporting them to the sea.  A cynical onlooker
> chirps, "What are you doing?  Don't you see this is hopeless?  Look at all
> of these!  You can't possible save them!"  The person kept working, and
> throwing another rescued being into the sea, replied, "I just saved that
> one!"
> And so we go.
> Thank you.
> ~Bonnie
> - Original Message - From: "Beth" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:06 AM
>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
>
>
>   Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM
>> drive thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at
>> first. She was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I
>> didn't even see her. She blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could
>> barely make a sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some
>> other volunteers who took her to the emergency vet.
>> She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive & had
>> severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old
>> though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to
>> raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her
>> heart was barely pumping.
>> I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow
>> Bridge.
>> It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people
>> saw her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even
>> sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way.
>> At least she had a name :(
>>
>> Beth
>> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] ImmunoRegulin

[Christiane Biagi]

My vet said it wasn't good as preventive but has had experience with using
it during the episodes of low wbc my Tucson had a few years ago. Can't
remember how many injections he gave her but her wbc went up & that was it.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ImmunoRegulin

Here's a page of lots of info: It seems that the only time to ImmunoRegulin
is BEFORE there are any symptoms!  I don't know of anyone who has used it -
will ask my vet when I see him.  I would love to do more for my two FeLV
boys that are asymptomatic, besides good nutrition and supplements.
http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=ImmunoRegulin 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharon Catalan
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:42 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] ImmunoRegulin

Hello All,

I am new to the discussion board.  My cat Mr Gray has just been diagnosed
with FeLV.  He is not symptomatic yet although recently, he was also
diagnosed with Hyperthyroidism.  He is still very active and alert and
eating a lot.

I have been reading that ImmunoRegulin has been quite effective but I want
to know if any one of you out there tried it on their FeLV cats.  Any
response will be appreciated.  Thank you.

--
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Muffy to CLS...friend of Bandy

[Christiane Biagi]

So sorry to hear about Muffy--I know my little dog Jack puts up with a lot
from his cat brothers n sisters & almost never complains-LOL  I'm sure Muffy
will be missed...

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Roach
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Muffy to CLS...friend of Bandy

Hi,
I would like to add my dog Muffy to CLSher brother and sister Snoopy and
Buffy are there...they were all friends of my FeLV/FIV kitty Bandy...
Muffy passed away on Thursday, March 24, 2011..
Thanks so much
I am not sure how or who  to send this to now...
Please let me know if I need to do or send anything else..
Thanks again.
Kerry  and Angels Bandy, Snoopy, Buffy, Buster, Buddy, Inky, Lil Rascal and
Billy


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Christiane Biagi]

Good for you for giving this little one some dignity, love & warmth in her
last moments

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:06 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive
thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at first. She
was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even see
her. She blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could barely make a
sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some other volunteers
who took her to the emergency vet.
She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive & had
severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old
though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to
raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her
heart was barely pumping. 
I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow
Bridge.
It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people saw
her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even
sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way.
At least she had a name :(

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

[MaiMaiPG]

I usually stick it in the crock pot.
On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:

And another question, how do you cook the meat? (grilled, baked, pan  
fried,

boiled)




On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Katy Doyle  
wrote:


Thanks for the advice everyone, I'll start mixing in cooked meat  
with their

dried Purina/Blue Buffalo mixture.

(I tend to mix dry foods together, they like picking the flavor  
they want

to eat that day! I never spoil my animals!)


Now I am curious, what's wrong with tuna? (One of my cats wont eat  
fish

anyway, so I wouldn't feed it very often, I'd just like to know.)

 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Christiane Biagi 
wrote:


They aren't thrilled w. Turkey but LOVE that Sardines, Shrimp &  
Crab.  We
rotate through the different "flavors" cause we wouldn't want the  
little
buggers to get bored with their food-LOL.  They finally agreed to  
all eat

some Blue Buffalo Lite dry but it took a bit of doing.  They're not
spoiled
or anything!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie  
Hogue

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

My cats eat canned "Wellness" but only the salmon and turkey  
flavor.  Go

figure.
They *Love* "Prarie" chicken dryed catfood.  It's pretty good
nutrition-wise.  And no, it's not made out of 'prarie chickens'...
~Bonnie
- Original Message -
From: "Christiane Biagi" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof


They can be fussy, can't they! LOL  My brood eats wellness canned  
but
when I tried wellness dry as supplement, they turned up their  
noses.
Have a friend who had a cat that lived to her early 20's-- 
wouldn't eat

anything xcept 9-Lives (which is not the worst food in the world).

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes
Taylor
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

I have found that my cats, even Amber my felv cat does not care for
the more "expensive/healthy" food. I fed her that at first and  
after

she got past her starvation mode,(a time when she was grateful for
anything to eat), she would not eat it as well. I switched to the  
Meow

Mix shredded with gravy and they all love that. I tried feeding my
other cats the "healthy stuff" as well and they tried to cover it  
up

like it was a bowel movement..LOL.

Amber will eat cooked chicken but my other cats won't eat  
anything but

cat food.

I aree with supplementing their junk food cat food with real meat  
if
you can get them to eat it. I am feeding Amber the Fancy Feast  
brand

as well, but it not really a "healthy" brand... It is not cheap in
price though.

Jannes





From: MaiMaiPG 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:47:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

You may want to supplement what ever food you chose with chicken,
ground beef or tuna. I've been able to get whole chicken at 69 or  
79

cents a pound near the end of sell by date and recently picked up a
couple of hundred cans of tuna at
39 cents each. When you figure out the per pound price you are  
paying
a lot less than cat food and using all of the product. Before  
anyone
jumps on me, the tuna is for putting meds in and is usually  
divided by

6 cats or by 2 cats and a dog. I would never feed it entirely.

I can feed 7 cats and a dog for 3-4 days with a whole chicken. Same
with hamburger.
On Mar 28, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:


And that subject is supposed to be "cat food"... Typos!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Katy Doyle  


wrote:


What kind of food do you feed your cats?

I was feeding the Blue Buffalo and I really liked it, but it is
getting too expensive because of my furlough days at work.

I'm looking for something affordable but still good for cats that
are

FeLV+.


Thanks,
Katy

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Re: [Felvtalk] ImmunoRegulin

[Sally Davis]

Sharon,

I used Immunoregulin on two of my FELV cats. One was very symptomatic with
fevers and anemia. The other was aymptomatic. It got Junior over the hump
and he lived another two and a half years. I wish I had used it the whole
time, butI am not sure the end result would have been different. Tiny on the
other hand never really became symptomatic until his last day and he died
suddenely. He proabably threw a clot and it may not have had any thing to do
with the virus, He died Christmas day very suddenly. He only lived a few
months after the
the cats  were diagnosed.

Good luck,


Sally


 Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> Here's a page of lots of info: It seems that the only time to ImmunoRegulin
> is BEFORE there are any symptoms!  I don't know of anyone who has used it -
> will ask my vet when I see him.  I would love to do more for my two FeLV
> boys that are asymptomatic, besides good nutrition and supplements.
> http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=ImmunoRegulin
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharon Catalan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:42 PM
> To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] ImmunoRegulin
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am new to the discussion board.  My cat Mr Gray has just been diagnosed
> with FeLV.  He is not symptomatic yet although recently, he was also
> diagnosed with Hyperthyroidism.  He is still very active and alert and
> eating a lot.
>
> I have been reading that ImmunoRegulin has been quite effective but I want
> to know if any one of you out there tried it on their FeLV cats.  Any
> response will be appreciated.  Thank you.
>
> --
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself

[TANYA NOE]

I think that they are immune for life if they get and extinguish the virus. I 
do not believe that it is a mutating virus of any sort, at least not so far. 
The problem is you have no way of knowing for sure that you cat did this unless 
it was positive and is now negative. Cats develop some natural immunity with 
age, it is possible to live together for years and not contract it even with 
repeated exposures. If you are concerned about vaccine related sarcomas there 
are FeLv vaccines that are given by the "vet jet" that is considered much 
safer, that is what we were using at the last vet hospital I worked at.

Good luck,
Tanya
--- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olvey  wrote:

> From: Maureen Olvey 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM
> 
> I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself.  Is
> it all the same virus or does it mutate and change like the
> herpes virus that causes URI?  What I'm wondering is
> that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus
> but extinguished it, is he immune for life?  Seems like
> I read that.  So if I brought in another FeLV + kitty
> and my resident cat has already gotten some immunity from
> the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean
> being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the
> same as the virus that he was first exposed to so his
> immunity would work against that virus?  Does that make
> sense?  I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV +
> cat would I need to vaccinate my cat that has already been
> exposed and extinguished the virus.
>  
> Anyone have a clue?  I guess the main question is if
> the virus mutates from cat to cat or is it always the same
> virus and doesn't change.
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces
> results that are profitable to the human race or
> doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting
> animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking
> further.” – Mark Twain
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself

[Sharyl]

Maureen, I don't have links to the science to answer your question.  I do know 
there are at least 3 versions of FeLV.  Personally I wouldn't take the chance 
of mixing without 1st vaccinating any negatives in the house.  I have mixed 
negatives and positives but my negatives were always current on their vaccine.
 
Sharyl 

--- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olive  wrote:


From: Maureen Olvey 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM



I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself.  Is it all the same virus or 
does it mutate and change like the herpes virus that causes URI?  What I'm 
wondering is that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus but 
extinguished it, is he immune for life?  Seems like I read that.  So if I 
brought in another FeLV + kitty and my resident cat has already gotten some 
immunity from the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean 
being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the same as the virus 
that he was first exposed to so his immunity would work against that virus?  
Does that make sense?  I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV + cat would I 
need to vaccinate my cat that has already been exposed and extinguished the 
virus.

Anyone have a clue?  I guess the main question is if the virus mutates from cat 
to cat or is it always the same virus and doesn't change.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

              
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Sharyl]

Beth, thank you for giving Lola a same and trying to help her.  At least she 
was cared for in the end.  I will light a candle for her tonight to help her 
with the crossing.
Sharyl

--- On Tue, 3/29/11, Beth  wrote:


From: Beth 
Subject: [Folktale] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:06 PM


Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive thru 
lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at first. She was a 
tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even see her. She 
blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could barely make a sound. I put her 
in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some other volunteers who took her to the 
emergency vet.
She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive & had 
severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old 
though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to 
raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her heart 
was barely pumping. 
I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow Bridge.
It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people saw 
her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even sadder 
because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way. At least 
she had a name :(

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[MaiMaiPG]

She left with someone caring about her instead of leaving in a  
violent, painful way.  She new enough pain and fear but knew comfort  
thanks to you.

On Mar 29, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Sharyl wrote:

Beth, thank you for giving Lola a same and trying to help her.  At  
least she was cared for in the end.  I will light a candle for her  
tonight to help her with the crossing.

Sharyl

--- On Tue, 3/29/11, Beth  wrote:


From: Beth 
Subject: [Folktale] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:06 PM


Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM  
drive thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing  
at first. She was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves  
that I didn't even see her. She blended right in. She was so cold &  
wet & could barely make a sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a  
towel & met some other volunteers who took her to the emergency vet.
She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive  
& had severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about  
2 years old though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After  
some time trying to raise her temp they determined the best thing  
was to euthanize her. Her heart was barely pumping.
I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the  
Rainbow Bridge.
It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many  
people saw her & just kept going without a second thought. What a  
sad story. Even sadder because I know she is just one of many who  
meet their end this way. At least she had a name :(


Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Aww. This hurts my heart. But bless you for bringing her in and giving her a
caring passage and people to grieve her. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to little
Lola.

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:06 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive
thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at first. She
was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even see
her. She blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could barely make a
sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some other volunteers
who took her to the emergency vet.
She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive & had
severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old
though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to
raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her
heart was barely pumping. 
I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow
Bridge.
It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people saw
her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even
sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way.
At least she had a name :(

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Terrie, I am so sorry. I am sure Hospice will be a great help to you both.
Please take care and come back to us when you can.
 
Diane R.

  _  

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ter...@tazzys.org
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.




Hi all,
I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has
liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been
hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed into a
skill nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to
the hospital. 
He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. 
Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for
comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. 
I want to make myself available at all times for him. 
He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it
isn't really.
Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this.
Hospice is available to me 24 hours a day.
 
Sincerely,
Terrie
  

 
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Sultan, WA. 98294
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Sara Kasteleyn]

Beth, I am in tears over this story, but so relieved Lola had your love and
tenderness and compassion.  I'll spend a quiet moment or two this evening to
ask Smokey, Tuxedo, Scooter, Taj and Rani to make a special effort to
welcome Lola to their now trouble-free home on the other side.  God bless
you, and all the wonderful people on this list, who make it their work to
care for those so many have forgotten and neglected.  You are all angels
walking among us.

Sara

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:06 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive
thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at first. She
was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even see
her. She blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could barely make a
sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some other volunteers
who took her to the emergency vet.
She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive & had
severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old
though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to
raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her
heart was barely pumping. 
I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow
Bridge.
It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people saw
her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even
sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way.
At least she had a name :(

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[Jannes Taylor]

So heartbreaking. Thank you for doing what you could. It is so sad to think 
about how many more there are out there. So many people just look the  other 
way...Bless you for your compassionate heart.
 Jannes 





From: Diane Rosenfeldt 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 5:56:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

Aww. This hurts my heart. But bless you for bringing her in and giving her a
caring passage and people to grieve her. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to little
Lola.

Diane R. 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:06 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive
thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at first. She
was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even see
her. She blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could barely make a
sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some other volunteers
who took her to the emergency vet.
She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive & had
severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old
though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to
raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her
heart was barely pumping. 
I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow
Bridge.
It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people saw
her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even
sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way.
At least she had a name :(

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

[dlgegg]

No, that is not old - I am 70 and consider my self young.
That aside, I will ad you and your husband to my prayer list, thatGod will 
grant him a peaceful end and welcome him home.


 Diane Rosenfeldt  wrote: 
> Terrie, I am so sorry. I am sure Hospice will be a great help to you both.
> Please take care and come back to us when you can.
>  
> Diane R.
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ter...@tazzys.org
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:10 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has
> liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been
> hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed into a
> skill nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to
> the hospital. 
> He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. 
> Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for
> comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. 
> I want to make myself available at all times for him. 
> He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it
> isn't really.
> Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this.
> Hospice is available to me 24 hours a day.
>  
> Sincerely,
> Terrie
>   
> 
>  
> TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
> Sultan, WA. 98294
> Terrie Mohr-Forker
> http://tazzys.org/
> Non-Profit national rescue
> Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
>  
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

[dlgegg]

My pride is on Blue Buffalo "DUCK".  For some reason, they do not like chicken 
no matter what brand of food.  Occassionaly, I get them some Mackeral canned 
for humans and they love it, broth only.  Why they don't eat the meat I don't 
know.  It seems that the stronge the smell, the better they like it.  Salmon 
also turns them off.  Turkey is so so.  Beef is also so so.  Saw a food the 
other day that is buffalo meat, thought I might try it.  Do know one thing, 
these healthy foods are breaking the bank.  7 cats go thru 2 bags a month (x 
$33.00 per bag.
I have found a cheaper source of litter.  They like World's Best which is made 
from corn.  I can cut cost more by buying horse bedding made from coursely 
ground corn and corn cobs.  Doesn't work too good with the scoopers, but does 
the job of stopping odor and clumps well enough.  Things are getting tight, 
money wise and am going back to work at 70 as soon as I get a job of some kind. 
 SS does not cut it when heating bills go up and insurance costs are added in.  
Has anyone had experience with reverse mortgagees?  Been thinking about that.  
At least it would keep the cats and I in our home.
 Christiane Biagi  wrote: 
> They aren't thrilled w. Turkey but LOVE that Sardines, Shrimp & Crab.  We
> rotate through the different "flavors" cause we wouldn't want the little
> buggers to get bored with their food-LOL.  They finally agreed to all eat
> some Blue Buffalo Lite dry but it took a bit of doing.  They're not spoiled
> or anything!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:25 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
> 
> My cats eat canned "Wellness" but only the salmon and turkey flavor.  Go
> figure.
> They *Love* "Prarie" chicken dryed catfood.  It's pretty good
> nutrition-wise.  And no, it's not made out of 'prarie chickens'...
> ~Bonnie
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christiane Biagi" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
> 
> 
> > They can be fussy, can't they! LOL  My brood eats wellness canned but 
> > when I tried wellness dry as supplement, they turned up their noses.  
> > Have a friend who had a cat that lived to her early 20's--wouldn't eat 
> > anything xcept 9-Lives (which is not the worst food in the world).
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes 
> > Taylor
> > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:41 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
> >
> > I have found that my cats, even Amber my felv cat does not care for 
> > the more "expensive/healthy" food. I fed her that at first and after 
> > she got past her starvation mode,(a time when she was grateful for 
> > anything to eat), she would not eat it as well. I switched to the Meow 
> > Mix shredded with gravy and they all love that. I tried feeding my 
> > other cats the "healthy stuff" as well and they tried to cover it up 
> > like it was a bowel movement..LOL.
> >
> > Amber will eat cooked chicken but my other cats won't eat anything but 
> > cat food.
> >
> > I aree with supplementing their junk food cat food with real meat if 
> > you can get them to eat it. I am feeding Amber the Fancy Feast brand 
> > as well, but it not really a "healthy" brand... It is not cheap in 
> > price though.
> >
> > Jannes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: MaiMaiPG 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:47:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
> >
> > You may want to supplement what ever food you chose with chicken, 
> > ground beef or tuna. I've been able to get whole chicken at 69 or 79 
> > cents a pound near the end of sell by date and recently picked up a 
> > couple of hundred cans of tuna at
> > 39 cents each. When you figure out the per pound price you are paying 
> > a lot less than cat food and using all of the product. Before anyone 
> > jumps on me, the tuna is for putting meds in and is usually divided by 
> > 6 cats or by 2 cats and a dog. I would never feed it entirely.
> >
> > I can feed 7 cats and a dog for 3-4 days with a whole chicken. Same 
> > with hamburger.
> > On Mar 28, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:
> >
> >> And that subject is supposed to be "cat food"... Typos!
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Katy Doyle 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What kind of food do you feed your cats?
> >>>
> >>> I was feeding the Blue Buffalo and I really liked it, but it is 
> >>>getting too expensive because of my furlough days at work.
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking for something affordable but still good for cats that 
> >>> are
> > FeLV+.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Katy
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[dlgegg]

This is so sad, that pople hve no compssion for a creature in pain.  Even 
worse, those same people usually do not have compassion for suffering people.  
Thak you for caring and giving her some comfort in her last hours.


 Jannes Taylor  wrote: 
> So heartbreaking. Thank you for doing what you could. It is so sad to think 
> about how many more there are out there. So many people just look the  other 
> way...Bless you for your compassionate heart.
>  Jannes 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Diane Rosenfeldt 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 5:56:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
> 
> Aww. This hurts my heart. But bless you for bringing her in and giving her a
> caring passage and people to grieve her. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to little
> Lola.
> 
> Diane R. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:06 AM
> To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
> 
> Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM drive
> thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at first. She
> was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even see
> her. She blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could barely make a
> sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some other volunteers
> who took her to the emergency vet.
> She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive & had
> severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old
> though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying to
> raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her
> heart was barely pumping. 
> I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow
> Bridge.
> It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people saw
> her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even
> sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this way.
> At least she had a name :(
> 
> Beth
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> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself

[dlgegg]

My vet says I sould keep my negatives up to date on their felv vaccinations.  
It has been over 2 years now since I got my first felv pos baby and all are 
well, especially the felv pos ones.  They are the sleekest, most energetic ones 
in the bunch.  Annie especially has the shiniest fur and the vet marvels at her 
and Nitnoy.  Nit is especially lucky as she had a run in with a raccoon and 
lost most of her tail.  Even with that trauma, she is doing well.


Sharyl  wrote: 
> Maureen, I don't have links to the science to answer your question.  I do 
> know there are at least 3 versions of FeLV.  Personally I wouldn't take the 
> chance of mixing without 1st vaccinating any negatives in the house.  I have 
> mixed negatives and positives but my negatives were always current on their 
> vaccine.
 
Sharyl 

--- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olive  wrote:


From: Maureen Olvey 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM



I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself.  Is it all the same virus or 
does it mutate and change like the herpes virus that causes URI?  What I'm 
wondering is that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus but 
extinguished it, is he immune for life?  Seems like I read that.  So if I 
brought in another FeLV + kitty and my resident cat has already gotten some 
immunity from the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean 
being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the same as the virus 
that he was first exposed to so his immunity would work against that virus?  
Does that make sense?  I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV + cat would I 
need to vaccinate my cat that has already been exposed and extinguished the 
virus.

Anyone have a clue?  I guess the main question is if the virus mutates from cat 
to cat or is it always the same virus and doesn't change.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

              
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[Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being

[Gloria B. Lane]

Dear Terrie, I'm so sorry, so sad for what you're going through.  He  
sounds young to me.  Been thru hospice with a boyfriend several years  
ago. I hope there are some sweet moments in the times you share  
together. Thinking about you and sending all kinds of good thoughts  
and wishes.


Gloria




From: "ter...@tazzys.org" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:09:59 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

Hi all,I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's  
illness. He

has
liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been
hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed  
into a

skill
nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to  
the

hospital.

He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped  
working.
Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he  
wants for

comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again.

I want to make myself available at all times for him.
He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old  
but it

isn't
really.
Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of  
this.

Hospice
is available to me 24 hours a day.

Sincerely,
Terrie

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
Non-Profit national rescue
Dedicated to the welfare of animals.


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[Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

[Alice Flowers]

Rosie passed last night, I could not bear to watch her wasting away. The 
Lymphoma had
beat her. We had her on Pred and Leukeran-which shrank the mass near her throat 
the
first week, then it came back with a vengeance the next week. We increased it 
to 
every 
other day on the Leukeran to no avail. She was also on Lasix, Lysine, iron, b 
vitamins,
Interferon. She always came into the kitchen and waited for me to give her the 
meds,
but the last few days she began to clamp her jaw, like enough. She was being 
syringe fed,
she couldn't eat-the mass in her neck got so large and hard. Her eyes became 
empty and
she just wanted to hide, she was miserable. When I came home from work last 
night, I 
knew it was time. Thank you to the wonderful vets and staff at Sacramento Cat 
Hospital
for staying late so we could help Rosie join her man, Murphy at the bridge-he 
passed in
October from Lymphoma and anemia. Rosie is our 6th and last FeLV kitty-her 4 
brothers
passed in their first year from anemia, despite all  our efforts. I have never 
felt so defeated
and empty in my life. I did not have a clue about FeLV when we rescued the 
feral 
babies.
It has been a long and sad 2 years, Rosie and Murphy each just made it to 2 1/2 
yrs old.
Bless all of you fighting this battle-it is a long, and difficult journey, but 
these babies deserve
all the love in the world.  Alice with Miso and Sachi-the 2 negatives we 
adopted 
when Rosie
got so depressed when she was left alone after Murphy passed.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fish for cats

[dlgegg]

i HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT FISH IN THEIR FOOD CAN BE A POSSIBLE CAUSE OF URINARY 
TRACT PROBLEMS.  My Homey was having problems and was not esponding to 
treatment.  I got a Chinese herb thing from All Natural online and it did the 
trick.  At the same time I read online about fish being a possible contributor 
to the problem and pulled the treats which were loaded with fish.  So far, no 
more problems.
 Natalie  wrote: 
> I have always wondered why cats like fish.it's not a natural food for them,
> they don't fish...
> 
>  
> 
> Tuna:
> 
> Mindy Bough, veterinary technician for the ASPCA Pet Nutrition and Science
> Advisory Service, dishes out the facts on this savory feline fave:
> 
> "An occasional tuna treat for your cat is generally harmless," says Bough.
> "However, if a large part of the cat's diet consists of tuna--or if the cat
> is fed tuna exclusively--some problems are likely to arise."
> 
> Tuna does not contain significant amounts of vitamin E, for example, so too
> much of the fish can lead to vitamin E deficiency, resulting in yellow fat
> disease, or steatitis. Symptoms include loss of appetite, fever and
> hypersensitivity to touch, due to inflammation and necrosis of fat under the
> skin. Felines who are fed too much tuna can develop other nutrient
> deficiencies, too, because most de-boned fish are lacking in calcium,
> sodium, iron, copper and several other vitamins.
> 
> Mercury, frequently present in tuna, also presents a potential danger. "At
> low levels, this may not be a concern," explains Bough, "but if tuna is fed
> nearly exclusively, it could pose significant problems."
> 
> The bottom line? "I recommend premium commercial food for domestic cats,"
> Bough says. "These foods are formulated to meet all of a cat's dietary
> needs. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.provet.co.uk/petfacts/healthtips/rawfish.htm 
> 
> Many owners consider fish to be the staple diet of cats - and they believe
> that it is beneficial to feed them an exclusively fish ration. 
> 
> Fish is a good raw ingredient to incorporate into cat foods, but it has
> certain draw backs. Firstly it does not contain all the nutrients that a cat
> requires and, like meat, it is deficient in calcium with an inverse
> calcium:phosphorus ratio. Coley (or Saithe) a popular fish with cat owners
> in the UK and the fillet cut contains 15-20 mg calcium per 100g but over 200
> mg phosphorus per 100g, a Ca:P ratio of 1:10. Cod and other white fish are
> similar. 
> 
> If owners are feeding fish bones should be removed to avoid complications.
> Fish should be cooked to avoid the possibility of disease transmission.  
> 
> "Salmon poisoning" has been recorded in cats which contracted the disease
> caused by Neorickettsiae spp from eating raw salmon or trout. This disease
> occurs within 2 weeks of the ingestion of infected food and causes the
> following signs : 
> 
> * Depression 
> * Fever 
> * Lymphadenopathy - swelling of the lymph nodes 
> * Oculonasal discharge 
> * Haematemesis - vomiting blood 
> * Diarrhoea 
> * Death - 90% in untreated cases. 
> 
> Diagnosis is confirmed by finding trematode eggs in faeces samples, or
> rickettsiae in lymph node samples.
> 
> Clinical cases of thiamine deficiency are periodically seen by veterinarians
> due to cats being fed  fish - as commercially prepared canned food, or as
> raw fish. Thiamin (vitamin B1) is an essential dietary nutrient for cats.
> Processing can destroy thiamine in a food, and so reduce the initial
> concentrations present at canning, and some fish (including herring and
> carp) contain the thiaminase which will destroy thiamine. 
> 
> Clinical signs of thiamine deficiency include : 
> 
> * Anorexia 
> * Ataxia - 2-3 days later 
> * Vomiting 
> * Convulsions - short  
> * Dilation of the pupils 
> * Ventroflexion of the neck (Chastek's paralysis) 
> 
> Affected patients will die unless treatment is administered (100-250 mg
> thiamine IV or SC twice daily). In most cases a complete recovery can be
> expected in treated cases unless severe central nervous system has occurred.
> 
> 
> Confirmation of diagnosis is not readily available : 
> 
> * Increased plasma pyruvate 
> * Increased plasma lactate 
> * Reduced erythrocyte trans-ketolase activity (a thiamine-dependant
> enzyme) 
> 
> Some fish are particularly high in oil content, and pansteatitis or "yellow
> fat disease" is caused by the intake of too much fat in the absence of
> adequate antioxidant. Red-meat tuna has been reported to be particularly
> involved as a cause of this in cats. The cause of the disease is
> accumulation of peroxides - the end product of rancidification of fat - in
> the cats adipose tissue causing yellow-brown discolouration.
> 
> Clinical signs of pansteatitis include :
> 
> * Abdominal Pain 
> * Anorexia 
> * Fever 
> * Lethargy 
> * Hardening of subcutaneous and intra-abdominal fat depots 
> * Occasi

Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

[Sally Davis]

Alice,

I am so sorry. Thank you for giving these poor babies wonderful life.
Rosie lived a full happy life and now she is with Murphy and the others. It
was too short for you and that hurts.

Hugs

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Re: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

[Sally Davis]

Terrie,

I am sorry you are going through this. He is too young.

Love,

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

[Christiane Biagi]

So sorry to hear... but please don't feel defeated!  You gave these little
ones the best possible chance & you know that they knew that.  I lost my
Romeo to lymphoma & for him, treatment was not really an option.  It's a
terrible disease--attacks fast with a vengeance.  His last few days were
tough but through it all, he knew that I'd do what was right for him--just
like you did with Rosie.  

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

Rosie passed last night, I could not bear to watch her wasting away. The
Lymphoma had beat her. We had her on Pred and Leukeran-which shrank the mass
near her throat the first week, then it came back with a vengeance the next
week. We increased it to every other day on the Leukeran to no avail. She
was also on Lasix, Lysine, iron, b vitamins, Interferon. She always came
into the kitchen and waited for me to give her the meds, but the last few
days she began to clamp her jaw, like enough. She was being syringe fed, she
couldn't eat-the mass in her neck got so large and hard. Her eyes became
empty and she just wanted to hide, she was miserable. When I came home from
work last night, I knew it was time. Thank you to the wonderful vets and
staff at Sacramento Cat Hospital for staying late so we could help Rosie
join her man, Murphy at the bridge-he passed in October from Lymphoma and
anemia. Rosie is our 6th and last FeLV kitty-her 4 brothers passed in their
first year from anemia, despite all  our efforts. I have never felt so
defeated and empty in my life. I did not have a clue about FeLV when we
rescued the feral babies.
It has been a long and sad 2 years, Rosie and Murphy each just made it to 2
1/2 yrs old.
Bless all of you fighting this battle-it is a long, and difficult journey,
but these babies deserve all the love in the world.  Alice with Miso and
Sachi-the 2 negatives we adopted when Rosie got so depressed when she was
left alone after Murphy passed.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

[Natalie]

I am so sorry - I'm sure you will miss her terribly!  Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

Rosie passed last night, I could not bear to watch her wasting away. The 
Lymphoma had
beat her. We had her on Pred and Leukeran-which shrank the mass near her
throat 
the
first week, then it came back with a vengeance the next week. We increased
it to 
every 
other day on the Leukeran to no avail. She was also on Lasix, Lysine, iron,
b 
vitamins,
Interferon. She always came into the kitchen and waited for me to give her
the 
meds,
but the last few days she began to clamp her jaw, like enough. She was being

syringe fed,
she couldn't eat-the mass in her neck got so large and hard. Her eyes became

empty and
she just wanted to hide, she was miserable. When I came home from work last 
night, I 
knew it was time. Thank you to the wonderful vets and staff at Sacramento
Cat 
Hospital
for staying late so we could help Rosie join her man, Murphy at the
bridge-he 
passed in
October from Lymphoma and anemia. Rosie is our 6th and last FeLV kitty-her 4

brothers
passed in their first year from anemia, despite all  our efforts. I have
never 
felt so defeated
and empty in my life. I did not have a clue about FeLV when we rescued the
feral 
babies.
It has been a long and sad 2 years, Rosie and Murphy each just made it to 2
1/2 
yrs old.
Bless all of you fighting this battle-it is a long, and difficult journey,
but 
these babies deserve
all the love in the world.  Alice with Miso and Sachi-the 2 negatives we
adopted 
when Rosie
got so depressed when she was left alone after Murphy passed.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

[Bonnie Hogue]

Oh Alice I am so sad to hear this news.  You have loved Rosie and her pal 
Murphy and done all you could and more.  My heart aches for your loss.
Prayers for little Rosie's journey, and for your strength.  Thank you for 
your love and compassion for these beings who otherwise would suffer so much 
more.

Peace to you.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: "Alice Flowers" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:09 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS



Rosie passed last night, I could not bear to watch her wasting away. The
Lymphoma had
beat her. We had her on Pred and Leukeran-which shrank the mass near her 
throat

the
first week, then it came back with a vengeance the next week. We increased 
it to

every
other day on the Leukeran to no avail. She was also on Lasix, Lysine, 
iron, b

vitamins,
Interferon. She always came into the kitchen and waited for me to give her 
the

meds,
but the last few days she began to clamp her jaw, like enough. She was 
being

syringe fed,
she couldn't eat-the mass in her neck got so large and hard. Her eyes 
became

empty and
she just wanted to hide, she was miserable. When I came home from work 
last

night, I
knew it was time. Thank you to the wonderful vets and staff at Sacramento 
Cat

Hospital
for staying late so we could help Rosie join her man, Murphy at the 
bridge-he

passed in
October from Lymphoma and anemia. Rosie is our 6th and last FeLV kitty-her 
4

brothers
passed in their first year from anemia, despite all  our efforts. I have 
never

felt so defeated
and empty in my life. I did not have a clue about FeLV when we rescued the 
feral

babies.
It has been a long and sad 2 years, Rosie and Murphy each just made it to 
2 1/2

yrs old.
Bless all of you fighting this battle-it is a long, and difficult journey, 
but

these babies deserve
all the love in the world.  Alice with Miso and Sachi-the 2 negatives we 
adopted

when Rosie
got so depressed when she was left alone after Murphy passed.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself

[Maureen Olvey]

Hadn't heard about the "vet jet."  I'll have to ask about it.  
 
Because I didn't know the one cat had the virus until she died a few weeks ago 
most of my cats have lived with her and shared food bowls for at least a year 
and some were with her for almost two years.  One vet was kind of saying that 
if they hadn't gotten the virus by now they probably wouldn't get it so there 
wouldn't be a need to vaccinate any of my others.  I don't know if he's right 
or not about not vaccinating the negatives.  I've just been tossing that idea 
around.  But then someone was asking me about these FeLV + kittens and it got 
me to thinking about whether I should vaccinate if a new member was added.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


 
> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:49:28 -0700
> From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
> 
> I think that they are immune for life if they get and extinguish the virus. I 
> do not believe that it is a mutating virus of any sort, at least not so far. 
> The problem is you have no way of knowing for sure that you cat did this 
> unless it was positive and is now negative. Cats develop some natural 
> immunity with age, it is possible to live together for years and not contract 
> it even with repeated exposures. If you are concerned about vaccine related 
> sarcomas there are FeLv vaccines that are given by the "vet jet" that is 
> considered much safer, that is what we were using at the last vet hospital I 
> worked at.
> 
> Good luck,
> Tanya
> --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olvey  wrote:
> 
> > From: Maureen Olvey 
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM
> > 
> > I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself.  Is
> > it all the same virus or does it mutate and change like the
> > herpes virus that causes URI?  What I'm wondering is
> > that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus
> > but extinguished it, is he immune for life?  Seems like
> > I read that.  So if I brought in another FeLV + kitty
> > and my resident cat has already gotten some immunity from
> > the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean
> > being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the
> > same as the virus that he was first exposed to so his
> > immunity would work against that virus?  Does that make
> > sense?  I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV +
> > cat would I need to vaccinate my cat that has already been
> > exposed and extinguished the virus.
> > 
> > Anyone have a clue?  I guess the main question is if
> > the virus mutates from cat to cat or is it always the same
> > virus and doesn't change.
> > 
> > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces
> > results that are profitable to the human race or
> > doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting
> > animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
> > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking
> > further.” – Mark Twain
> > 
> >
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself

[Maureen Olvey]

Figures the virus would mutate.  My husband and I were talking and thinking 
that the vaccine probably helps the cat develop antibodies to one general form 
of the virus so even if a different form or mutation of the virus is introduced 
into the system the antibodies created from the "general form" of the virus 
would be strong enough to combat the mutated form as well.  Make sense?
 
So in theory it would work if the cat got the virus and extinguished it the 
same way as if the cat were vaccinated.
 
However, I think all you guys might be right.  Just vaccinate the negatives 
before introducing another positive just to be safe.  To assume that my cats 
that test negative now have contacted the virus and extinguished it (just 
because they lived with the FeLV + kitty for two years) might be taking a big 
risk.  Even though the cats were together two years maybe for some reason they 
never got enough of the virus into their system for their bodies immune system 
to have to respond.  So then they really don't have immunity in their system.
 
I guess it's not worth taking the risk.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


 
> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:00:31 -0700
> From: cline...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
> 
> Maureen, I don't have links to the science to answer your question.  I do 
> know there are at least 3 versions of FeLV.  Personally I wouldn't take the 
> chance of mixing without 1st vaccinating any negatives in the house.  I have 
> mixed negatives and positives but my negatives were always current on their 
> vaccine.
>  
> Sharyl 
> 
> --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olive  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Maureen Olvey 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM
> 
> 
> 
> I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself.  Is it all the same virus or 
> does it mutate and change like the herpes virus that causes URI?  What I'm 
> wondering is that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus but 
> extinguished it, is he immune for life?  Seems like I read that.  So if I 
> brought in another FeLV + kitty and my resident cat has already gotten some 
> immunity from the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean 
> being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the same as the virus 
> that he was first exposed to so his immunity would work against that virus?  
> Does that make sense?  I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV + cat would 
> I need to vaccinate my cat that has already been exposed and extinguished the 
> virus.
> 
> Anyone have a clue?  I guess the main question is if the virus mutates from 
> cat to cat or is it always the same virus and doesn't change.
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

[dana giordano]

I'm so glad you found her and helped her. Just knowing someone was
therein some ways I'm sure she was aware there was caring and love
surrounding her finally -  and now when you meet again someday, she'll tell
you so.

So glad to know people like you people. What you do is so important and so
hard. You make the world a better place - a place I want to be, and a reason
why I think we're here (and given thumbs! lol)  in the first place.


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On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:47 PM,  wrote:

> This is so sad, that pople hve no compssion for a creature in pain.  Even
> worse, those same people usually do not have compassion for suffering
> people.  Thak you for caring and giving her some comfort in her last hours.
>
>
>  Jannes Taylor  wrote:
> > So heartbreaking. Thank you for doing what you could. It is so sad to
> think
> > about how many more there are out there. So many people just look the
> other
> > way...Bless you for your compassionate heart.
> >  Jannes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Diane Rosenfeldt 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 5:56:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
> >
> > Aww. This hurts my heart. But bless you for bringing her in and giving
> her a
> > caring passage and people to grieve her. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to
> little
> > Lola.
> >
> > Diane R.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:06 AM
> > To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
> >
> > Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM
> drive
> > thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there & didn't see a thing at first.
> She
> > was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even
> see
> > her. She blended right in. She was so cold & wet & could barely make a
> > sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel & met some other
> volunteers
> > who took her to the emergency vet.
> > She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive &
> had
> > severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old
> > though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying
> to
> > raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her
> > heart was barely pumping.
> > I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow
> > Bridge.
> > It is so sad to think how long she may have been there & how many people
> saw
> > her & just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even
> > sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this
> way.
> > At least she had a name :(
> >
> > Beth
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> >
> >
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