Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
I agree. we are not speaking.


From: Maureen Olvey 
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Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!


You should tell her to tell her friend that she needs to come out of the dark 
ages and stop believing that old wives tale about cats smothering babies.  I 
can just see a cat put one paw over a baby's nose and then a paw over it's 
mouth with the intention of smothering it.  And about the whole licking the 
babies mouth to get the milk, that's crap but even it was true the baby can 
still breath out of it's nose.  I just can't see how it's possible for a cat to 
smother a baby.  And cat's can't suck so they can't suck the breath from the 
baby.  And even if they could suck the baby's lungs are stronger and bigger 
than a cat's so it wouldn't be able to suck enough breath out of it to smother 
it.  Tell your friend she shouldn't hang around such stupid people.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:40:57 -0700
> From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get 
> rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't 
> take that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has 
> happened to people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby 
> than anything, and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but 
> I guess her mum is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her 
> house. It just sickens me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when 
> there are hundreds of "babies" waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, 
> people love baby animals but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot 
> stand people like that. My animals are my children you know? 
> 
> From: Lorrie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> 
> > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
> > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > throw-away-society!
> > 
> __-
> 
> Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
> all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
> nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread terrie
Hi all,
Sorry if this is long.
 
I've been on this group/list for a very long time. 
Seen many members come and go over the course of time by expressing their opinions that others didn't approve. I continue to stay on for support and to help others if I can off the group/list.
However, I do agree with Kelley. There are some nasty rescues out there. They are all over.
 
I've been in rescue for over 30 years. 
So this pretty much explains what I've seen, heard, and been involved with over time.
 
My first real personal kitty had FELV as he died in 1975 to secondary complications. 
This goes back into time 1972. Even though growing up we had other animals and my parents were reputable breeders of cats/dogs/horses/cattle. 
I wanted to help a kitten that was doom to die. I remember, calling my Dad and crying they couldn't do this to the baby. He came by and got the kitten for me.
Anyway, the kitty was a 5 week old Siamese mix kitten that was dumped at the "Dog Pound" this is what they were called back then. They had revolving doors anyone was able to walk in.
Attitudes were bad back then by the staff.
What I saw was a status ego or it was just a job either they were burned out, or didn't care it was a paycheck.
After what I saw growing up I decided to try and save as many as I could.
It is unfortunate many shelters are still like this!
 
Then another special Siamese kitten came along and stoled my heart. 
He too was FELV.
He is the reason how my rescue finally got a name. "Tazzy" so he did not die in vain. His memory is kept alive by rescuing, TNR, and helping others most importantly the kitties go to good homes.
I still rescue both negative and positive FELV Siamese kitties. Even though I am getting older...lol
Also, been doing hoarding situations a bit in the last few years. Because reality is if I or my connections don't do something most will be euthanized by the city/county shelters. 
They want to make money not to lose it.
 
It's okay to voice your opinions and air your beef when needed. 
Most of us understand and it shouldn't be taken seriously.
If we didn't care we wouldn't react like this!
 
I hope what I'm saying makes sense.

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue
Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
 
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 Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!From: Kelley Saveika Date: Fri, August 05, 2011 9:48 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgIn all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel andjudgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There'salways someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doingsomething right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out ofrescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I thinkwhenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adoptershave been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had ababy who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on aform you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to thepound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) anddelivered back to us safely.Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread D.S.Louis
KIDS?   it is called child abuse...happens all the time..Grandmother in 
Pheonix locked granddaughter in  locker.because she stole a popcycle from 
the frig.The girls mother left her with the grandmother because GRANDMOTHER 
was abusive.

SPAY AND NEUTER...

--- On Fri, 8/5/11, Joslin Potter  wrote:


From: Joslin Potter 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 3:56 PM


I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals to 
the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out there get 
kittens and puppies and then  drop them off once they get bigger or realize 
that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It makes you want 
to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but makes you want to 
ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because they don't listen or 
potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was just to hyper.. sorry 
this is a ruff subject for me. 


From: Edna Taylor 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!


YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it hard 
to walk and drive a car without a spine?


> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
> kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like 
> hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
> happened to be orange & white :)
> 
> This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
> agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
> other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
> tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
> how will he treat her? Geez!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Edna Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> 
> 
> I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my 
> cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, 
> got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
> outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult 
> to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
> types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be 
> spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
> people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
> 
> 
> > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >
> > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
> > and
> > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
> > adopters
> > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will 
> > do)
> > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> > delivered back to us safely.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> >
> > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> > >
> > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > > throw-away-society!
> > > >
> > > __-
> > >
> > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > > ashamed to say I'm 

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Kelley Saveika
Yes, I am.  When I originally came to this list, it was because I had a
kitten who tested "light pos" (I have since learned there is no such thing)
and SR was giving me no support whatsoever so I came here for support
instead.   Everyone here wanted to know who the rescue was but I didn't tell
them because I think telling names of rescues is tacky.  Everyone here was
also incredibly supportive when the horror that was visited on myself and my
personal and rescued cats came.  I have been really glad to have this list
over the years.  I love doing rescue but I've learned that other rescuers
tend to be cutthroat and just plain mean to other people.  I think if we
were all nicer to other people and to animals this world would be a much
better place.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor  wrote:

>
> Kelley,
>
> Are you the same Kelley from Austin who used to work with Siamese Rescue?
>
>
> > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:29:20 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >
> > I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie  wrote:
> >
> > > We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or
> > > sick
> > > cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate
> people
> > > who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then
> give
> > > them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside
> to
> > > fend for themselves!
> > > Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example:
> > >
> > > Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD
> > > A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet
> > > supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is
> > > about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED.
> Her
> > > coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to
> stay
> > > in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like
> to
> > > help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at
> this
> > > time.
> > >
> > > There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your
> > > animal.
> > > My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats
> > > because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats
> into
> > > our
> > > home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy
> cat
> > > food is "do you have cable TV?" The response has often been "Yes,
> butI
> > > need it."
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
> > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > >
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas,
> > > giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point
> > > (no,
> > > I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio
> who
> > > appeared to be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL
> and
> > > all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion.
> > >
> > > I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath
> the
> > > and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry
> to
> > > get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not
> in
> > > rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can
> > > never
> > > be forgotten.
> > >
> > > As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying
> there is
> > > no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove
> > > otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise
> and I
> > > have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I
> have
> > > not
> > > gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and
> no-kill
> > > begins with NO BIRTH.
> > >
> > > Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting
> off
> > > topic.
> > >
> > > Edna Taylor
> > > Texas Siamese Rescue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500
> > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > > >
> > > > According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the
> person
> > > > value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless -
> there
> > > is
> > > > not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away
> cats
> > > > and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to
> find
> > > > homes for more animals.
> > > >
> > > > Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot
> about
> > > this
> > > > stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate.
> > > >
> > >

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread TANYA NOE
Edna, can I steal that line for my FB as well. lets see how far it travels 
around the rescue community!

--- On Fri, 8/5/11, Joslin Potter  wrote:

> From: Joslin Potter 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 7:01 PM
>  i like that Edna, I'm so posting
> that to my FB!
> 
> 
> From: Edna Taylor 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the
> truth is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming
> rate and for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid
> reasons.  They also leave them in abandoned, foreclosed
> homes to starve to death.  Does this mean that we are not
> supportive and don't care?  No, it means many of us are in
> rescue and our homes are usually filled to the brim with
> cats/dogs and sometimes we need to vent.  Doesn't mean that
> we no longer want to support and help others, it means that
> our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB
> profile and I copied:
> 
> "My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have
> imperfections, may eventually have health problems, and be a
> lot of work. But when I got them, I promised them a forever
> home. No matter what their faults are, they are good at
> something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home.
> They are not only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my
> family."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive,
> positive list. It makes me
> > sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Natalie
AMEN to that!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 7:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!


You should tell her to tell her friend that she needs to come out of the
dark ages and stop believing that old wives tale about cats smothering
babies.  I can just see a cat put one paw over a baby's nose and then a paw
over it's mouth with the intention of smothering it.  And about the whole
licking the babies mouth to get the milk, that's crap but even it was true
the baby can still breath out of it's nose.  I just can't see how it's
possible for a cat to smother a baby.  And cat's can't suck so they can't
suck the breath from the baby.  And even if they could suck the baby's lungs
are stronger and bigger than a cat's so it wouldn't be able to suck enough
breath out of it to smother it.  Tell your friend she shouldn't hang around
such stupid people.


"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:40:57 -0700
> From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get
rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't
take that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has
happened to people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby
than anything, and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do,
but I guess her mum is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her
house. It just sickens me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when
there are hundreds of "babies" waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know,
people love baby animals but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot
stand people like that. My animals are my children you know? 
> 
> From: Lorrie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> 
> > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
> > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > throw-away-society!
> > 
> __-
> 
> Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
> all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
> nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Natalie
It's true - rescuers get to see and hear of real scum of the earth - Do Not
Adopt lists circulate constantly of people who pretend to be nice, but end
up torturing kittens and cats. 
I had an alert of a woman on Long Island with three children and 2 cats who
lost her home and is going to a shelter, where she can't keep her cats. For
a while, they lived in her car with the cats.  She is looking for someone to
foster her two cats until she can get her act togetherthat's a NICE
person; she doesn't want to give up her other children! I have one nice
large cat condo available right now and offered to keep them for
her...haven't heard back yet.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 7:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
I guess we've all seen a little of everything.  The problem with us in
rescue is that by definition "rescue" means you are rescuing homeless or
abused animals.  So rescue people will always see the worst and it makes us
hard and cynical.   The pure selfishness of people probably gets to me worse
than anything else.  Although there are definitely some sick SOBs out there
too.

Kelley, I would guess that the rescue you've worked with is an exception,
not the rule.  At least I hope so.  None of the rescues in my area seem that
way.  Definitely not the rescue I work with.  Although we may not agree with
the way other rescues do some things we're not going to sabotage them
because they're helping animals that we can't help.  I'm in GA and there's a
serious overpopulation problem here.  Dang cats don't take a break in winter
and reproduce all year long.  Among my rescue group we may individually talk
about the way we don't like a rescue handling things (we can all be a little
catty) but we never tell other people outside our main core group that
because it makes us look bad to bad-mouth another group in public.  Within
our group we'll get pissed off at each other sometimes but that's a
personality thing usually.  Guess I'm lucky to have a group like mine.
We've done some things with the other groups too and I'll send people there
if they want a particular kind of animal that we don't have at the time -
like if they want a declawed cat and we don't have one I'll send them to
another group.  Like I said, I'm lucky.  It sounds like you've worked with
some crazies though.

I guess as far as people go I've seen a lot of bad but I've also seen a lot
of good.  Sometimes I'm amazed the people that come by our adoptions to tell
us about their wonderful cat/dog and how they've spoiled them rotten and
I've been so fortunate to have found great homes for my animals.  It's
amazing to me to see so many animal lovers.  I thought I was the only sick
one out there  :-)   My husband definitely thinks I'm the only one there is
that loves animals the way I do.  

But, there's a lot of selfish people too and it's shocking to me the people
that see animals as an object.  It's like they don't realize that it's a
living being with feelings and needs.  It's like they don't even realize
that by "getting rid" of their animal they are ripping it from it's home and
turning their world upside down.  My co-worker said his mother needed to get
rid of her cats and his attitude was so casual like "oh we'll just send them
on" I wanted to slap him and say it's their home too.  I told him that if
she was ready to give them up so easily she's probably one of those people
who didn't need animals.  And it gets worse than that.  We've gotten animals
that have been thrown out the car window while it was still moving and all
kinds of crazy stuff.  Now that's just cruel.  Finding kittens & puppies in
dumpsters in common around here.  Those are the kinds of people that many of
us hate, or at least have no use for.   There are a lot of those sick people
and there's no denying it.  But I guess even the ones with the casual
attitude that just get tired of their pets are probably the worse because
they're not sick in the head, they're just plain selfish and heartless.
They know better and still toss the animal out just cause they want to and
what they want matters more to them.  Like Natalie said, it's a throw away
society.  And the reason is because of plain selfishness and lack of
empathy.  

This economy has made things a lot worse in our area.  There are people with
legitimate reasons for needing to re-home their animals, like getting
foreclosed on.  I always say that if I lose my house I'd live in my car in
the woods with my animals before I'd turn them out, but if you've got kids
you can't do that and sometimes you have to choose.  And there are many
other legitimate reasons and people bring us their animals with tears.  But
by and large, it's some sorry ass excuse that we can see right through.

I think because a lot of us in rescue see more homeless animals th

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Maureen Olvey

You should tell her to tell her friend that she needs to come out of the dark 
ages and stop believing that old wives tale about cats smothering babies.  I 
can just see a cat put one paw over a baby's nose and then a paw over it's 
mouth with the intention of smothering it.  And about the whole licking the 
babies mouth to get the milk, that's crap but even it was true the baby can 
still breath out of it's nose.  I just can't see how it's possible for a cat to 
smother a baby.  And cat's can't suck so they can't suck the breath from the 
baby.  And even if they could suck the baby's lungs are stronger and bigger 
than a cat's so it wouldn't be able to suck enough breath out of it to smother 
it.  Tell your friend she shouldn't hang around such stupid people.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:40:57 -0700
> From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get 
> rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't 
> take that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has 
> happened to people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby 
> than anything, and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but 
> I guess her mum is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her 
> house. It just sickens me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when 
> there are hundreds of "babies" waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, 
> people love baby animals but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot 
> stand people like that. My animals are my children you know? 
> 
> From: Lorrie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> 
> > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
> > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > throw-away-society!
> > 
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> Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
> all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
> nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Maureen Olvey

The worse part is that if you're the one in the rescue that is taking the 
animal in from those kinds of people you can't tell them off because you need 
to get the animal in hand first so they don't hurt it or just dump it by the 
road.  Man is it hard to bite your tongue sometimes.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:56:22 -0700
> From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals 
> to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out 
> there get kittens and puppies and then  drop them off once they get bigger or 
> realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It 
> makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but 
> makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because 
> they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was 
> just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. 
> 
> 
> From: Edna Taylor 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> 
> YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it 
> hard to walk and drive a car without a spine?
> 
> 
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
> > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
> > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like 
> > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
> > happened to be orange & white :)
> > 
> > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. 
> > I 
> > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
> > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
> > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
> > how will he treat her? Geez!
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Edna Taylor" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my 
> > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, 
> > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
> > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add 
> > insult 
> > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
> > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should 
> > be 
> > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
> > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
> > 
> > 
> > > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > >
> > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
> > > and
> > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
> > > adopters
> > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will 
> > > do)
> > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> > > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> > > delivered back to us safely.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Maureen Olvey

I like that too.  However my husband just called to tell me one of our cats 
just brought in a bird (we have a cat fence in our backyard) and that the bird 
is trapped in my computer stand.  Makes me wonder why I love those little 
bloodthirsty killers.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:01:19 -0700
> From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
>  i like that Edna, I'm so posting that to my FB!
> 
> 
> From: Edna Taylor 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the 
> truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what 
> amounts to really stupid reasons.  They also leave them in abandoned, 
> foreclosed homes to starve to death.  Does this mean that we are not 
> supportive and don't care?  No, it means many of us are in rescue and our 
> homes are usually filled to the brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to 
> vent.  Doesn't mean that we no longer want to support and help others, it 
> means that our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB profile 
> and I copied:
> 
> "My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may 
> eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I 
> promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good 
> at something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not 
> only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me
> > sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Maureen Olvey









I guess we've all seen a little of everything.  The problem with us in rescue 
is that by definition "rescue" means you are rescuing homeless or abused 
animals.  So rescue people will always see the worst and it makes us hard and 
cynical.   The pure selfishness of people probably gets to me worse than 
anything else.  Although there are definitely some sick SOBs out there too.

Kelley, I would guess that the rescue you've worked with is an exception, not 
the rule.  At least I hope so.  None of the rescues in my area seem that way.  
Definitely not the rescue I work with.  Although we may not agree with the way 
other rescues do some things we're not going to sabotage them because they're 
helping animals that we can't help.  I'm in GA and there's a serious 
overpopulation problem here.  Dang cats don't take a break in winter and 
reproduce all year long.  Among my rescue group we may individually talk about 
the way we don't like a rescue handling things (we can all be a little catty) 
but we never tell other people outside our main core group that because it 
makes us look bad to bad-mouth another group in public.  Within our group we'll 
get pissed off at each other sometimes but that's a personality thing usually.  
Guess I'm lucky to have a group like mine.  We've done some things with the 
other groups too and I'll send people there if they want a particular kind of 
animal that we don't have at the time - like if they want a declawed cat and we 
don't have one I'll send them to another group.  Like I said, I'm lucky.  It 
sounds like you've worked with some crazies though.

I guess as far as people go I've seen a lot of bad but I've also seen a lot of 
good.  Sometimes I'm amazed the people that come by our adoptions to tell us 
about their wonderful cat/dog and how they've spoiled them rotten and I've been 
so fortunate to have found great homes for my animals.  It's amazing to me to 
see so many animal lovers.  I thought I was the only sick one out there  :-)   
My husband definitely thinks I'm the only one there is that loves animals the 
way I do.  

But, there's a lot of selfish people too and it's shocking to me the people 
that see animals as an object.  It's like they don't realize that it's a living 
being with feelings and needs.  It's like they don't even realize that by 
"getting rid" of their animal they are ripping it from it's home and turning 
their world upside down.  My co-worker said his mother needed to get rid of her 
cats and his attitude was so casual like "oh we'll just send them on" I wanted 
to slap him and say it's their home too.  I told him that if she was ready to 
give them up so easily she's probably one of those people who didn't need 
animals.  And it gets worse than that.  We've gotten animals that have been 
thrown out the car window while it was still moving and all kinds of crazy 
stuff.  Now that's just cruel.  Finding kittens & puppies in dumpsters in 
common around here.  Those are the kinds of people that many of us hate, or at 
least have no use for.   There are a lot of those sick people and there's no 
denying it.  But I guess even the ones with the casual attitude that just get 
tired of their pets are probably the worse because they're not sick in the 
head, they're just plain selfish and heartless.  They know better and still 
toss the animal out just cause they want to and what they want matters more to 
them.  Like Natalie said, it's a throw away society.  And the reason is because 
of plain selfishness and lack of empathy.  

This economy has made things a lot worse in our area.  There are people with 
legitimate reasons for needing to re-home their animals, like getting 
foreclosed on.  I always say that if I lose my house I'd live in my car in the 
woods with my animals before I'd turn them out, but if you've got kids you 
can't do that and sometimes you have to choose.  And there are many other 
legitimate reasons and people bring us their animals with tears.  But by and 
large, it's some sorry ass excuse that we can see right through.

I think because a lot of us in rescue see more homeless animals than we can 
possibly adopt out it's hard to remember all the good people we've met through 
rescue.  It seems the negative outweighs the good just in sheer numbers so I 
have to remind myself that although there really are some no good rotten people 
there are some truly wonderful people too with good hearts.  Even so, I have to 
admit that I say "I hate people" on a regular basis too.



“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



  
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
UUHH, Natalie that just irks me, you know my best friend has 6 cats, most of 
them she took home from our house as i said before we have a lot of drop offs, 
and they do not have internet or cable because their animals come FIRST, they 
also have two dogs, but still she said that these are her children, and like 
you Cable is nice but so is a good book, and she can watch television on her 
phone, but still. As she says, one less bill is one more bag of food.


From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or sick
cats, fills their homes with discarded animals!  I cannot tolerate people
who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give
them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to
fend for themselves!  
Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: 

Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD
A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet
supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM.  She is
about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her
coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia.  She has to stay
in a cage until he finds her a home.  If you know anyone who might like to
help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this
time.

There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your animal.
My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats
because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into our
home.  My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat
food is "do you have cable TV?"  The response has often been "Yes, butI
need it."

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!


Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas,
giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster.  Case in point (no,
I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who
appeared to be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL and
all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion.

I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the
and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of.  Sorry to
get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in
rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never
be forgotten.

As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is
no pet overpopulation problem.  I have a house full of cats that prove
otherwise.  Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I
have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not
gotten one hit on her.  There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill
begins with NO BIRTH.

Okay, I will get off my soapbox now.  Again, my apologies for getting off
topic.

Edna Taylor
Texas Siamese Rescue



> From: moonv...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person
> value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there
is
> not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats
> and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find
> homes for more animals.
> 
> Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about
this
> stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis  wrote:
>                         
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
 i like that Edna, I'm so posting that to my FB!


From: Edna Taylor 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!







I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the truth, 
people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what amounts 
to really stupid reasons.  They also leave them in abandoned, foreclosed homes 
to starve to death.  Does this mean that we are not supportive and don't care?  
No, it means many of us are in rescue and our homes are usually filled to the 
brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to vent.  Doesn't mean that we no 
longer want to support and help others, it means that our hearts are broken and 
as someone posted on their FB profile and I copied:

"My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may 
eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I 
promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good at 
something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not only 
my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family."




> From: moonv...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me
> sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
                        
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals to 
the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out there get 
kittens and puppies and then  drop them off once they get bigger or realize 
that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It makes you want 
to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but makes you want to 
ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because they don't listen or 
potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was just to hyper.. sorry 
this is a ruff subject for me. 


From: Edna Taylor 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!


YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it hard 
to walk and drive a car without a spine?


> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
> kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like 
> hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
> happened to be orange & white :)
> 
> This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
> agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
> other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
> tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
> how will he treat her? Geez!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Edna Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> 
> 
> I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my 
> cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, 
> got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
> outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult 
> to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
> types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be 
> spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
> people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
> 
> 
> > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >
> > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
> > and
> > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
> > adopters
> > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will 
> > do)
> > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> > delivered back to us safely.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> >
> > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> > >
> > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > > throw-away-society!
> > > >
> > > __-
> > >
> > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> >
> > http://www.rescuties.org
> >
> > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=resc

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
Are you serious, did she get arrested for animal hording? Come on who does 
that? She DOES need a neuter!


From: D.S.Louis 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this 
weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in  8 
dogs..

 

--- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson  wrote:


From: Lynda Wilson 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM


That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten 
for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I 
guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be 
orange & white :)

This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how 
will he treat her? Geez!
- Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!



I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my cat 
because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email.  As a matter of fact, got 
one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside 
in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult to injury, 
she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the types of people 
that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered.  
Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many people like that?  you 
bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(


> From: moonv...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
> judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
> have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
> and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> delivered back to us safely.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> >
> > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > throw-away-society!
> > >
> > __-
> >
> > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> >
> >
> > ___
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> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> 
> http://www.rescuties.org
> 
> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
> 
> http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
> 
> Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
> http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
> 
> Please help Trooper!
> 
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
> 
> 
> "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
> can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
> should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue."
> 
> - Nathan Winograd
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
What a wonderful example of how to handle a situation, I get that your "kids" 
come before pets, I'm happy to hear they just didnt go and drop them off, and 
you know they were just hoping for the best when they even offered to pay to 
send the cats back. Everytime we get a drop of my heart just sinks, this more 
animal, what is it thinking, more so the older ones, you know? No matter the 
situation how can people just open a door and toss out an animal?


From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart.  There's
always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
rescue.  (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.)  In contrast, MOST of my adopters
have been lovely people.  We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
pound.  We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
delivered back to us safely.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:

> On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
>
> > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
> > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > throw-away-society!
> >
> __-
>
> Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
> all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
> nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
>
>
> ___
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> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
>



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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties

Please help Trooper!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


"And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue."

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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get rid 
of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't take 
that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has happened to 
people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby than anything, 
and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but I guess her mum 
is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her house. It just sickens 
me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when there are hundreds of 
"babies" waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, people love baby animals 
but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot stand people like that. My 
animals are my children you know? 

From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

On 08-04, Natalie wrote:

> I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
> dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> throw-away-society!
> 
__-

Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!


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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
good for you Peggy, people can be so judgemental, we went to adopt a dog from 
the pound and had our daughter with us and they informed us that with a child 
that puppy could not be trusted! I was so upset I have never gone back, I 
normally turn to Criags list we have a lot of kitten drop offs and with a FeLV 
+ cat it's just to hard to keep them all 8( But well said, you know your truth!


From: Peggy Verdonck 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

I totally agree, but another side of the story...I got treated VERY bad by
shelter personnel  because I brought in a stray husky I found on the side of
the road! I knew they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because
I would never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like
that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least get off
the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again!
Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog in
danger!

On Aug 5, 2011 4:10 PM, "Lorrie"  wrote:
> This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see
> too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored
> glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and
> uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as
> disposable "things".
>
> Lorrie
>
>> On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
>
>> Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It
>> makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
>>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor

Kelley,
 
Are you the same Kelley from Austin who used to work with Siamese Rescue?
 

> From: moonv...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:29:20 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie  wrote:
> 
> > We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or
> > sick
> > cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people
> > who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give
> > them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to
> > fend for themselves!
> > Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example:
> >
> > Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD
> > A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet
> > supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is
> > about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her
> > coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay
> > in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to
> > help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this
> > time.
> >
> > There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your
> > animal.
> > My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats
> > because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into
> > our
> > home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat
> > food is "do you have cable TV?" The response has often been "Yes, butI
> > need it."
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
> > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas,
> > giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point
> > (no,
> > I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who
> > appeared to be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL and
> > all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion.
> >
> > I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the
> > and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to
> > get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in
> > rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can
> > never
> > be forgotten.
> >
> > As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is
> > no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove
> > otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I
> > have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have
> > not
> > gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill
> > begins with NO BIRTH.
> >
> > Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off
> > topic.
> >
> > Edna Taylor
> > Texas Siamese Rescue
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > >
> > > According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person
> > > value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there
> > is
> > > not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats
> > > and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find
> > > homes for more animals.
> > >
> > > Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about
> > this
> > > stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis  wrote:
> > >
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> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> 
> http://www.rescuties.org
> 
> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
> 
> http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
> 
> Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
> http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
> 
> Please help Trooper!
> 
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
> 
> 
> "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
> can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
> should sit down and shu

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Kelley Saveika
I don't ask them if they have cable TV.  I just give them food.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or
> sick
> cats, fills their homes with discarded animals!  I cannot tolerate people
> who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give
> them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to
> fend for themselves!
> Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example:
>
> Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD
> A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet
> supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM.  She is
> about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her
> coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia.  She has to stay
> in a cage until he finds her a home.  If you know anyone who might like to
> help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this
> time.
>
> There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your
> animal.
> My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats
> because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into
> our
> home.  My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat
> food is "do you have cable TV?"  The response has often been "Yes, butI
> need it."
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
>
>
> Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas,
> giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster.  Case in point
> (no,
> I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who
> appeared to be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL and
> all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion.
>
> I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the
> and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of.  Sorry to
> get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in
> rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can
> never
> be forgotten.
>
> As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is
> no pet overpopulation problem.  I have a house full of cats that prove
> otherwise.  Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I
> have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have
> not
> gotten one hit on her.  There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill
> begins with NO BIRTH.
>
> Okay, I will get off my soapbox now.  Again, my apologies for getting off
> topic.
>
> Edna Taylor
> Texas Siamese Rescue
>
>
>
> > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >
> > According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person
> > value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there
> is
> > not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats
> > and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find
> > homes for more animals.
> >
> > Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about
> this
> > stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis  wrote:
> >
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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties

Please help Trooper!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


"And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue."

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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Kelley Saveika
I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.We recently had a cat in our
program who was being advertised on Craigslist because she kept peeing
outside the box.  Everyone CANNOT keep a cat that keeps peeing outside the
box.  Everyone is not like us.  Yes, they tried different diets, tests for
uri, tests for kidney function, different litters and different litter
boxes.  Nothing worked.  The original rescue refused to take the cat back,
 kept flagging the CL ads - AND SAID TO HAVE THE CAT PUT DOWN BECAUSE NO ONE
WANTS A CAT WHO PEES ON THE FLOOR.  These people loved the cat and did not
want to take her to a shelter.  I stepped in and lent them a condo to keep
her in so she wouldn't mess the floor while I went so far as to track down
the original breeder of the cat (in California) .  However we were lucky
enough to find a foster in Dallas who specializes in cats with pee problems
who took her in.  I have had a cat returned twice now who pees outside the
box, again the adopters have tried EVERYTHING and really wanted to keep her.


I have seen people in my area spend FIVE YEARS spending much of their time
running a rescue out of business instead of saving lives because they did
not like the way they did rescue.  Now there is another large rescue people
hate because they do not like the way they do rescue and instead of saving
animals actually go around to the various adoption sites pretending to be
potential adopters and grilling the volunteers.  I am so sick of rescue
attitudes I could just scream.  Some of the nastiest, vilest people I have
ever met have been in rescue - and to be fair some of the kindest as well.
Cruelty to humans is still cruelty.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

> This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see
> too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored
> glasses.  While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and
> uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as
> disposable "things".
>
> Lorrie
>
> >  On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
>
> > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list.  It
> > makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
> >
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Peggy Verdonck
I totally agree, but another side of the story...I got treated VERY bad by
shelter personnel  because I brought in a stray husky I found on the side of
the road! I knew they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because
I would never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like
that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least get off
the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again!
Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog in
danger!

On Aug 5, 2011 4:10 PM, "Lorrie"  wrote:
> This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see
> too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored
> glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and
> uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as
> disposable "things".
>
> Lorrie
>
>> On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
>
>> Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It
>> makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
>>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Natalie
We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or sick
cats, fills their homes with discarded animals!  I cannot tolerate people
who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give
them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to
fend for themselves!  
Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: 

Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD
A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet
supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM.  She is
about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her
coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia.  She has to stay
in a cage until he finds her a home.  If you know anyone who might like to
help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this
time.

There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your animal.
My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats
because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into our
home.  My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat
food is "do you have cable TV?"  The response has often been "Yes, butI
need it."

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!


Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas,
giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster.  Case in point (no,
I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who
appeared to be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL and
all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion.
 
I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the
and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of.  Sorry to
get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in
rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never
be forgotten.
 
As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is
no pet overpopulation problem.  I have a house full of cats that prove
otherwise.  Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I
have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not
gotten one hit on her.  There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill
begins with NO BIRTH.
 
Okay, I will get off my soapbox now.  Again, my apologies for getting off
topic.
 
Edna Taylor
Texas Siamese Rescue

 

> From: moonv...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person
> value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there
is
> not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats
> and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find
> homes for more animals.
> 
> Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about
this
> stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis  wrote:
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Lorrie
This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see
too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored
glasses.  While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and
uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as
disposable "things".

Lorrie

>  On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:

> Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list.  It
> makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor

Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving 
away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster.  Case in point (no, I will 
not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to 
be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL and all there of 
their lives ended in a horrible fashion.
 
I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and 
I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of.  Sorry to get off 
topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but 
what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten.
 
As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no 
pet overpopulation problem.  I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise.  
Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in 
my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on 
her.  There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH.
 
Okay, I will get off my soapbox now.  Again, my apologies for getting off topic.
 
Edna Taylor
Texas Siamese Rescue

 

> From: moonv...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person
> value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is
> not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats
> and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find
> homes for more animals.
> 
> Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this
> stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis  wrote:
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor






I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the truth, 
people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what amounts 
to really stupid reasons.  They also leave them in abandoned, foreclosed homes 
to starve to death.  Does this mean that we are not supportive and don't care?  
No, it means many of us are in rescue and our homes are usually filled to the 
brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to vent.  Doesn't mean that we no 
longer want to support and help others, it means that our hearts are broken and 
as someone posted on their FB profile and I copied:
 
"My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may 
eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I 
promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good at 
something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not only 
my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family."
 

 

> From: moonv...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me
> sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Kelley Saveika
According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person
value them any less.  I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is
not enough money in the world to make me give her up.Giving away cats
and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find
homes for more animals.

Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd?  It talks a lot about this
stuff.  I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis  wrote:

> Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs
> this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght
> in  8 dogs..
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson  wrote:
>
>
> From: Lynda Wilson 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM
>
>
> That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a
> kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like
> hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who
> happened to be orange & white :)
>
> This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style.
> I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any
> other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have
> tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then
> how will he treat her? Geez!
> - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
>
>
>
> I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my
> cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email.  As a matter of fact,
> got one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat
> outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult
> to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the
> types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be
> spayed/neutered.  Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many
> people like that?  you bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(
>
>
> > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >
> > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel
> and
> > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my
> adopters
> > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will
> do)
> > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> > delivered back to us safely.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> > >
> > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > > throw-away-society!
> > > >
> > > __-
> > >
> > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> > >
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> >
> > http://www.rescuties.org
> >
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> >
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> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Kelley Saveika
Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list.  It makes me
sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote:

> Kudos to her :)
> - Original Message - From: "D.S.Louis" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:17 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
>
>
>  Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs
>> this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght
>> in 8 dogs..
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Lynda Wilson 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM
>>
>>
>> That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a
>> kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like
>> hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who
>> happened to be orange & white :)
>>
>> This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style.
>> I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any
>> other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have
>> tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then
>> how will he treat her? Geez!
>> - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
>>
>>
>>
>> I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my
>> cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact,
>> got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat
>> outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult
>> to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the
>> types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be
>> spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many
>> people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
>>
>>
>>  From: moonv...@gmail.com
>>> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
>>>
>>> In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel
>>> and
>>> judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
>>> Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
>>> always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
>>> something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
>>> I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
>>> rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
>>> whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my
>>> adopters
>>> have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
>>> baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
>>> form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will
>>> do)
>>> and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
>>> pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
>>> delivered back to us safely.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
>>> > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
>>> > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
>>> > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
>>> > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
>>> > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
>>> > > throw-away-society!
>>> > >
>>> > __**-
>>> >
>>> > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
>>> > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
>>> > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
>>> > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
>>> > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > __**_
>>> > Felvtalk mailing list
>>> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> > http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**
>>> felineleukemia.org
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>>>
>>> http://www.rescuties.org
>>>
>>> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/**obidos/redirect-home?tag=**rescuties-20
>>>
>>> http://www.zazzle.com/**rescuties* 
>>>
>>> Buy or renew magazines and 

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Lynda Wilson

Kudos to her :)
- Original Message - 
From: "D.S.Louis" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!


Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs 
this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman 
broght in 8 dogs..




--- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson  wrote:


From: Lynda Wilson 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM


That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like 
hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
happened to be orange & white :)


This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. 
I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having 
any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should 
have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, 
then how will he treat her? Geez!

- Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!



I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my 
cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of 
fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old 
declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND 
then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. 
Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, 
I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? 
Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, 
but true :(




From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
and

judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
adopters

have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will 
do)

and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
delivered back to us safely.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:

> On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
>
> > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > throw-away-society!
> >
> __-
>
> Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor

See, that is why I have a hard time fostering anymore, I DON'T know where they 
will end up or what will happen.  I rescued two beautiful Flame Point Himis 
from the Houston SPCA and they were SO skinny and, of course, had 
ringworm.  Well, after 3 months of nursing them back to health and getting to 
know how special they were, I finally adopted them out to a home that I assumed 
was really good and, all things considered, it IS a good home; however, they 
let them outside and one of them was taken by an owl.  My rules are very clear, 
no declawing, no outside, no dumping them at a shelter or giving them away, but 
people don't listen and do what they want to do.  I know we have all gotten the 
call "hey, I found this cat, she/he is starving, has a bunch of health problems 
and the microchip comes back to your group" and when you call the adopter, they 
will not answer your calls or emails.
 
One more story about trusting people.  A local rescue group her got a call from 
the shelter telling them that someone turned in one of their cats 
(microchipped) and come to find out, it was the FOSTER who took the cat to the 
shelter.  Hard to trust anyone these days :(
 

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:30:17 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> You have to admit, those are unusual cases, where people REALLY have allergy
> problems, or moving and can't take pets - but most wait until a week or two
> before leaving. Yes, I agree about "some" rescue groups, but also seldom
> happens - some may be a bit judgmental, but probably for very good reason.
> With getting daily updates from NYC of the kill-list for the next day, I am
> at the point of not looking at the pictures but just passing them on with
> the hope that at least one of them can be saved! Reading the surrender notes
> on their cards is heartbreaking and unconscionable! We had one adopter bring
> back two cats adopted from us as kittens, from Michigan! Others, we never
> hear from, and I worry about them. I stay in touch with MOST adopters!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:48 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
> judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
> have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
> and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> delivered back to us safely.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> >
> > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > throw-away-society!
> > >
> > __-
> >
> > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> >
> >
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> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> http://www.rescuties.org
> 
> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
> 
> http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
> 
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> http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
> 
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> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor

Arizona and Florida were hardest hit in 2008/2009 when the real estate market 
tanked and because of that those two states have the biggest influx of pets 
into shelters and animals left behind at foreclosed houses.  I read an article 
yesterday about Homestead Florida and the numbers of abandoned pets.  One was 
at a house that used to be owned by a woman who was a dog rescuer, there were 
many dogs left behind :(
 
Of course, as the article points out, the big screen TVs and jewelry, XBox game 
systems, etc. were not left behind, only the animals :(  So, am I a bit jaded? 
yes, yes I am
 

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:17:43 -0700
> From: delain...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this 
> weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in  8 
> dogs..
> 
>  
> 
> --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Lynda Wilson 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM
> 
> 
> That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
> kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like 
> hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
> happened to be orange & white :)
> 
> This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
> agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
> other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
> tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how 
> will he treat her? Geez!
> - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> 
> 
> I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my 
> cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email.  As a matter of fact, 
> got one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
> outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult 
> to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the 
> types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be 
> spayed/neutered.  Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many 
> people like that?  you bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(
> 
> 
> > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
> > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
> > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
> > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> > delivered back to us safely.
> > 
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> > 
> > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> > >
> > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > > throw-away-society!
> > > >
> > > __-
> > >
> > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> > >
> > >
> > > ___
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> > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> > 
> > http://www.rescuties.org
> > 

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor

YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it hard 
to walk and drive a car without a spine?
 

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
> kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like 
> hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
> happened to be orange & white :)
> 
> This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
> agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
> other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
> tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
> how will he treat her? Geez!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Edna Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> 
> 
> I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my 
> cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, 
> got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
> outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult 
> to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
> types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be 
> spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
> people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
> 
> 
> > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >
> > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
> > and
> > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
> > adopters
> > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will 
> > do)
> > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> > delivered back to us safely.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> >
> > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> > >
> > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > > throw-away-society!
> > > >
> > > __-
> > >
> > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> > >
> > >
> > > ___
> > > Felvtalk mailing list
> > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> >
> > http://www.rescuties.org
> >
> > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
> >
> > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
> >
> > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
> > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
> >
> > Please help Trooper!
> >
> > http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
> >
> >
> > "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
> > can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
> > should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue."
> >
> > - Nathan Winograd
> > ___
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Natalie
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!


I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my
cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email.  As a matter of fact,
got one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat
outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult
to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the
types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be
spayed/neutered.  Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many
people like that?  you bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(
 

> From: moonv...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel
and
> judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my
adopters
> have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will
do)
> and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> delivered back to us safely.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> >
> > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > throw-away-society!
> > >
> > __-
> >
> > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Felvtalk mailing list
> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> 
> http://www.rescuties.org
> 
> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
> 
> http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
> 
> Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
> http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
> 
> Please help Trooper!
> 
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
> 
> 
> "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
> can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they
> should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue."
> 
> - Nathan Winograd
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Natalie
You have to admit, those are unusual cases, where people REALLY have allergy
problems, or moving and can't take pets - but most wait until a week or two
before leaving.  Yes, I agree about "some" rescue groups, but also seldom
happens - some may be a bit judgmental, but probably for very good reason.
With getting daily updates from NYC of the kill-list for the next day, I am
at the point of not looking at the pictures but just passing them on with
the hope that at least one of them can be saved! Reading the surrender notes
on their cards is heartbreaking and unconscionable! We had one adopter bring
back two cats adopted from us as kittens, from Michigan! Others, we never
hear from, and I worry about them.  I stay in touch with MOST adopters!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
 Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart.  There's
always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
 I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
rescue.  (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.)  In contrast, MOST of my adopters
have been lovely people.  We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
pound.  We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
delivered back to us safely.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:

> On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
>
> > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
> > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > throw-away-society!
> >
> __-
>
> Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
> all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
> nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
>
>
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>



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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties

Please help Trooper!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


"And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they
should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue."

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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread D.S.Louis
Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this 
weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in  8 
dogs..

 

--- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson  wrote:


From: Lynda Wilson 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM


That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten 
for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I 
guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be 
orange & white :)

This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how 
will he treat her? Geez!
- Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!



I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my cat 
because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email.  As a matter of fact, got 
one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside 
in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult to injury, 
she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the types of people 
that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered.  
Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many people like that?  you 
bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(


> From: moonv...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
> judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
> have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
> and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> delivered back to us safely.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> >
> > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > throw-away-society!
> > >
> > __-
> >
> > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> >
> >
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> >
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> 
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> should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue."
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Lynda Wilson
That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like 
hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
happened to be orange & white :)


This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
how will he treat her? Geez!
- Original Message - 
From: "Edna Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!



I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my 
cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email.  As a matter of fact, 
got one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult 
to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the 
types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be 
spayed/neutered.  Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many 
people like that?  you bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(




From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
and

judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
adopters

have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will 
do)

and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
delivered back to us safely.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:

> On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
>
> > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > throw-away-society!
> >
> __-
>
> Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Lynda Wilson

It's a sad, selfish world!!!

- Original Message - 
From: "Lorrie" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!



On 08-04, Natalie wrote:


I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
throw-away-society!


__-

Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!


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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor

I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my cat 
because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email.  As a matter of fact, got 
one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside 
in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult to injury, 
she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the types of people 
that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered.  
Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many people like that?  you 
bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(
 

> From: moonv...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
> judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
> have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
> and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> delivered back to us safely.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> >
> > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > throw-away-society!
> > >
> > __-
> >
> > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> >
> >
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> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> 
> http://www.rescuties.org
> 
> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
> 
> http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
> 
> Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
> http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
> 
> Please help Trooper!
> 
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
> 
> 
> "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
> can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
> should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue."
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Kelley Saveika
In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
 Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart.  There's
always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
 I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
rescue.  (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.)  In contrast, MOST of my adopters
have been lovely people.  We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
pound.  We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
delivered back to us safely.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:

> On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
>
> > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
> > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > throw-away-society!
> >
> __-
>
> Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
> all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
> nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Lorrie
On 08-04, Natalie wrote:

> I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
> dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> throw-away-society!
> 
__-

Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-05 Thread Natalie
FANTASTIC NEWS

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

Hooray!!! I'm sounding the blow horn! Whoohoo, congrats to you both!

- Original Message - 
From: "Martha Walton" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question


> Peaches was tested for FeLV this morning, negative result!  Good news for
> Miss Peaches.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-05 Thread Lynda Wilson

Hooray!!! I'm sounding the blow horn! Whoohoo, congrats to you both!

- Original Message - 
From: "Martha Walton" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question



Peaches was tested for FeLV this morning, negative result!  Good news for
Miss Peaches.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-05 Thread Martha Walton
Peaches was tested for FeLV this morning, negative result!  Good news for
Miss Peaches.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Shedding Question- Tanya

2011-08-05 Thread Lynda Wilson

Tanya,

Since you are a licensed vet tech, what is your opinion of cats/kittens 
testing a FAINT positive on an ELISA test? Do you think they are shedding 
the virus at this point?


If anyone else has an opinion, it is welcomed as well.

Thanks,
Lynda
- Original Message - 
From: "TANYA NOE" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question


Wow, that is really scary, I think I do remember you posting about this a 
while ago. Did the manufacturer ever give any info after the vaccines were 
sent back? Any explanation as to why the tests would be affected when the 
veterinary world is told they won't?


Tanya

--- On Thu, 8/4/11, Beth  wrote:


From: Beth 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 7:33 PM
it happened at our shelter. we
vaccinated s wjole bunch of cats & they got sick.
we retested them & they all came up positive. repeate
the tests a few days later & all the tests were back to
negative. I posted about it when it happened. we returned
the rest of the vaccines to the mfg.

TANYA NOE 
wrote:

>I am a licensed vet tech (though for the last year a
stay at home Mom) and I have never heard of a live FeLV
vaccine. Nor have I ever heard of it making a cat show
positive on a test. FIV and FIP are the only ones I have
ever heard of causing a false positive on a test. I will
check with a few of my vet friends and see if they can give
any more info.
>Tanya
>
>--- On Thu, 8/4/11, Lynda Wilson 
wrote:
>
>> From: Lynda Wilson 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 4:45 PM
>> Is this "live" vaccine new? I've
>> never heard that a vaccination for FeLV will make
a positive
>> result, but I'm getting a killed virus vaccination
for my
>> cats. I'll let you know what my vet says. Never
hurts to get
>> a second opinion :)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Beth" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>>
>>
>> From what I've read they WILL test positive for
FeLV after
>> vaccination with a live vaccine. This happened at
our
>> shelter. I don't know how many days that lasts,
but she
>> would not have a false positive at this point.
>>
>>
>> Beth
>>
>> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Martha Walton 
>> To: Katy Doyle 
>> Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>>
>> Thanks everyone! My vet told me that Peaches would
test
>> positive because
>> she's had the FeLV vaccination.
>> I think I will call the vet that Peaches former
owners took
>> her to & ask
>> them to test Peaches.
>> Thanks for the advice, I'll let you know what they
say.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Katy Doyle 
>> wrote:

>>
>> > It's not uncommon in Kentucky for
shelters/rescues to
>> just vaccinate the
>> > cat instead of testing them.
>> >
>> > Lately, all I have done is fight to get them
to test
>> the animals.
>> > Apparently "it costs too much" - but I think
the cost
>> is worth saving other
>> > cats from getting exposed to FeLV.
>> >
>> >
>> > I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't
cause
>> the test to come out
>> > positive, so you should get a fairly
accurate
>> reading.
>> >
>> > Then go ahead and get everyone fully
vaccinated
>> against FeLV, just in case
>> > =^_^=
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com
>> <
>> > molvey...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think I would definitely get Peaches
tested. If
>> all your cats are
>> >> indoors only they really don't need to
be
>> vaccinated against FeLV. Only if
>> >> there's a chance they could get it. But
if you're
>> not letting them out and
>> >> you're not fostering other cats then
there's no
>> risk of exposure to the
>> >> virus so no real need for a vaccination.
If all
>> your other cats have been
>> >> tested and are negative also then Peaches
wouldn't
>> need the vaccination
>> >> either. So as long as her combo test is
negative,
>> then you really don't
>> >> need to worry about Nibbles. It's totally
up to
>> you though. Just my
>> >> thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is
positive
>> definitely get Nibbles up to
>> >> speed. And I think he does need to do the
series
>> of two shots over again if
>> >> you decide to get him current like Lynda
said.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for giving Peaches a home. And
kick that
>> other lady in the butt
>> >> for kicking Peaches out of the house just
because
>> she had a baby.
>> >>
>> >> Maureen
>> >>
>> >> sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
>> >>
>> >> - Reply message -
>> >> From: "Martha Walton" 
>> >> Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
>> >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia
Question
>> >> To: 
>> >>
>> >> The family that owned Peaches 

Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding

2011-08-05 Thread Maureen Olvey

Beth - 

You're explanation makes great sense.  Thanks for looking into this.  I'll 
check out the link later on.

I think you're right though and it's best to treat any cat that test positive 
on either test as a positive cat until you get a definite no.  Whether they're 
supposed to be shedding at that point or not it's still better to be safe than 
sorry.

Thanks again for the research and explanation.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:17:50 -0700
> From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding
> 
> I've been looking on line for answers. So take these things with a grain of 
> salt, esp. since I'm not a vet. But then I'm not sure most vets see enough 
> FeLV to really be that knowledgeable about it.
> 
> What I've been able to understand from what I was able to  find:
> ELISA tests for for FeLV free (unattached to other cells) in the bloodstream. 
> This shows initial infection.
> The IFA tests for the virus attached to white blood cells (white cells are 
> made in the bone marrow, which is where they pick up the virus) This shows 
> secondary infection, & is when the cat starts sheddiing the virus & is 
> contagious to other cats. I would treat ANY cat testing positive on Either 
> test as contagious.
> 
> The article below explains the life stages of the virus.According to this an 
> IFA should ONLY be used after a positive Elisa. An IFA run without an Elisa 
> may miss the initial stage of infection because it is only looking for FeLV 
> in the white blood cells.
> 
> 
> http://www.lbah.com/feline/felv.html
> 
> I really wish I was still in school & had the time to research & write about 
> this subject!
> 
> Beth
> 
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: Maureen Olvey 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding
> 
> 
> OMG - way to complicated for me!!!  
> 
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> 
> > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:09:17 -0700
> > From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding
> > 
> > This link explains what "sheeding" a virus means.
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_shedding
> > 
> >  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Natalie 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 10:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > 
> > I think that their immune systems are getting rid of the virus by "eating it
> > up", "absorbing" it, NOT expelling it to infect others.  I bet they don't
> > knowI will ask my vet next time I see him
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:32 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > 
> > 
> > That's what we're wondering - whether the virus is shed into their saliva
> > while their immune system is still fighting the virus.  If the ELISA is
> > positive but the IFA is still negative are the cats able to infect another
> > cat.  My book said that when the IFA is positive the cats are able to infect
> > other cats.  It didn't say that about when the ELISA is positive but the IFA
> > is negative.  It didn't say anything at all about that situation so we're
> > wondering at what point in the progression of the disease is the cat able to
> > infect another cat.  Since the ELISA test can use saliva or blood to detect
> > the virus then that means the virus is in the saliva at that point right,
> > and I would think it would be able to infect another cat.  But that may not
> > be correct.  Maybe the virus can't be spread until it's progressed all the
> > way through the body and has gone into the white blood cells.  Maybe once
> > the virus goes into the bone marrow and white blood cells it changes or
> > mutates into a way that makes it contagious.  I don't know, it's weird.  I
> > guess if the experts don't know then I'll never figure it out either.
> > 
> > 
> > "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
> > profitable to the human race or doesn't..the