Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding
Beth - You're explanation makes great sense. Thanks for looking into this. I'll check out the link later on. I think you're right though and it's best to treat any cat that test positive on either test as a positive cat until you get a definite no. Whether they're supposed to be shedding at that point or not it's still better to be safe than sorry. Thanks again for the research and explanation. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:17:50 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding I've been looking on line for answers. So take these things with a grain of salt, esp. since I'm not a vet. But then I'm not sure most vets see enough FeLV to really be that knowledgeable about it. What I've been able to understand from what I was able to find: ELISA tests for for FeLV free (unattached to other cells) in the bloodstream. This shows initial infection. The IFA tests for the virus attached to white blood cells (white cells are made in the bone marrow, which is where they pick up the virus) This shows secondary infection, is when the cat starts sheddiing the virus is contagious to other cats. I would treat ANY cat testing positive on Either test as contagious. The article below explains the life stages of the virus.According to this an IFA should ONLY be used after a positive Elisa. An IFA run without an Elisa may miss the initial stage of infection because it is only looking for FeLV in the white blood cells. http://www.lbah.com/feline/felv.html I really wish I was still in school had the time to research write about this subject! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding OMG - way to complicated for me!!! “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:09:17 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding This link explains what sheeding a virus means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_shedding Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties I think that their immune systems are getting rid of the virus by eating it up, absorbing it, NOT expelling it to infect others. I bet they don't knowI will ask my vet next time I see him -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties That's what we're wondering - whether the virus is shed into their saliva while their immune system is still fighting the virus. If the ELISA is positive but the IFA is still negative are the cats able to infect another cat. My book said that when the IFA is positive the cats are able to infect other cats. It didn't say that about when the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative. It didn't say anything at all about that situation so we're wondering at what point in the progression of the disease is the cat able to infect another cat. Since the ELISA test can use saliva or blood to detect the virus then that means the virus is in the saliva at that point right, and I would think it would be able to infect another cat. But that may not be correct. Maybe the virus can't be spread until it's progressed all the way through the body and has gone into the white blood cells. Maybe once the virus goes into the bone marrow and white blood cells it changes or mutates into a way that makes it contagious. I don't know, it's weird. I guess if the experts don't know then I'll never figure it out either. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient
Re: [Felvtalk] Shedding Question- Tanya
Tanya, Since you are a licensed vet tech, what is your opinion of cats/kittens testing a FAINT positive on an ELISA test? Do you think they are shedding the virus at this point? If anyone else has an opinion, it is welcomed as well. Thanks, Lynda - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question Wow, that is really scary, I think I do remember you posting about this a while ago. Did the manufacturer ever give any info after the vaccines were sent back? Any explanation as to why the tests would be affected when the veterinary world is told they won't? Tanya --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 7:33 PM it happened at our shelter. we vaccinated s wjole bunch of cats they got sick. we retested them they all came up positive. repeate the tests a few days later all the tests were back to negative. I posted about it when it happened. we returned the rest of the vaccines to the mfg. TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com wrote: I am a licensed vet tech (though for the last year a stay at home Mom) and I have never heard of a live FeLV vaccine. Nor have I ever heard of it making a cat show positive on a test. FIV and FIP are the only ones I have ever heard of causing a false positive on a test. I will check with a few of my vet friends and see if they can give any more info. Tanya --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 4:45 PM Is this live vaccine new? I've never heard that a vaccination for FeLV will make a positive result, but I'm getting a killed virus vaccination for my cats. I'll let you know what my vet says. Never hurts to get a second opinion :) Thanks! - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question From what I've read they WILL test positive for FeLV after vaccination with a live vaccine. This happened at our shelter. I don't know how many days that lasts, but she would not have a false positive at this point. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question Thanks everyone! My vet told me that Peaches would test positive because she's had the FeLV vaccination. I think I will call the vet that Peaches former owners took her to ask them to test Peaches. Thanks for the advice, I'll let you know what they say. On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the cat instead of testing them. Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals. Apparently it costs too much - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats from getting exposed to FeLV. I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading. Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in case =^_^= On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I think I would definitely get Peaches tested. If all your cats are indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV. Only if there's a chance they could get it. But if you're not letting them out and you're not fostering other cats then there's no risk of exposure to the virus so no real need for a vaccination. If all your other cats have been tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination either. So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really don't need to worry about Nibbles. It's totally up to you though. Just my thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up to speed. And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over again if you decide to get him current like Lynda said. Thanks for giving Peaches a home. And kick that other lady in the butt for kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby. Maureen sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org The family that
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
Peaches was tested for FeLV this morning, negative result! Good news for Miss Peaches. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
Hooray!!! I'm sounding the blow horn! Whoohoo, congrats to you both! - Original Message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question Peaches was tested for FeLV this morning, negative result! Good news for Miss Peaches. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
FANTASTIC NEWS -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question Hooray!!! I'm sounding the blow horn! Whoohoo, congrats to you both! - Original Message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question Peaches was tested for FeLV this morning, negative result! Good news for Miss Peaches. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
It's a sad, selfish world!!! - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
You have to admit, those are unusual cases, where people REALLY have allergy problems, or moving and can't take pets - but most wait until a week or two before leaving. Yes, I agree about some rescue groups, but also seldom happens - some may be a bit judgmental, but probably for very good reason. With getting daily updates from NYC of the kill-list for the next day, I am at the point of not looking at the pictures but just passing them on with the hope that at least one of them can be saved! Reading the surrender notes on their cards is heartbreaking and unconscionable! We had one adopter bring back two cats adopted from us as kittens, from Michigan! Others, we never hear from, and I worry about them. I stay in touch with MOST adopters! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I ABSOLUTELY AGREE! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next? Also, I wonder, is it hard to walk and drive a car without a spine? Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Arizona and Florida were hardest hit in 2008/2009 when the real estate market tanked and because of that those two states have the biggest influx of pets into shelters and animals left behind at foreclosed houses. I read an article yesterday about Homestead Florida and the numbers of abandoned pets. One was at a house that used to be owned by a woman who was a dog rescuer, there were many dogs left behind :( Of course, as the article points out, the big screen TVs and jewelry, XBox game systems, etc. were not left behind, only the animals :( So, am I a bit jaded? yes, yes I am Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:17:43 -0700 From: delain...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
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See, that is why I have a hard time fostering anymore, I DON'T know where they will end up or what will happen. I rescued two beautiful Flame Point Himis from the Houston SPCA and they were SO skinny and, of course, had ringworm. Well, after 3 months of nursing them back to health and getting to know how special they were, I finally adopted them out to a home that I assumed was really good and, all things considered, it IS a good home; however, they let them outside and one of them was taken by an owl. My rules are very clear, no declawing, no outside, no dumping them at a shelter or giving them away, but people don't listen and do what they want to do. I know we have all gotten the call hey, I found this cat, she/he is starving, has a bunch of health problems and the microchip comes back to your group and when you call the adopter, they will not answer your calls or emails. One more story about trusting people. A local rescue group her got a call from the shelter telling them that someone turned in one of their cats (microchipped) and come to find out, it was the FOSTER who took the cat to the shelter. Hard to trust anyone these days :( Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:30:17 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! You have to admit, those are unusual cases, where people REALLY have allergy problems, or moving and can't take pets - but most wait until a week or two before leaving. Yes, I agree about some rescue groups, but also seldom happens - some may be a bit judgmental, but probably for very good reason. With getting daily updates from NYC of the kill-list for the next day, I am at the point of not looking at the pictures but just passing them on with the hope that at least one of them can be saved! Reading the surrender notes on their cards is heartbreaking and unconscionable! We had one adopter bring back two cats adopted from us as kittens, from Michigan! Others, we never hear from, and I worry about them. I stay in touch with MOST adopters! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should
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Kudos to her :) - Original Message - From: D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
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Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Kudos to her :) - Original Message - From: D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __**- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_** felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/**obidos/redirect-home?tag=**rescuties-20http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/**rescuties* http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/**rescutieshttp://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper!
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According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is not enough money in the world to make me give her up.Giving away cats and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find homes for more animals. Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most
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I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid reasons. They also leave them in abandoned, foreclosed homes to starve to death. Does this mean that we are not supportive and don't care? No, it means many of us are in rescue and our homes are usually filled to the brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to vent. Doesn't mean that we no longer want to support and help others, it means that our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB profile and I copied: My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good at something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family. From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point (no, I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL and all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten. As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH. Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off topic. Edna Taylor Texas Siamese Rescue From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find homes for more animals. Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as disposable things. Lorrie On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote: Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or sick cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to fend for themselves! Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this time. There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your animal. My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into our home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat food is do you have cable TV? The response has often been Yes, butI need it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point (no, I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL and all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten. As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH. Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off topic. Edna Taylor Texas Siamese Rescue From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find homes for more animals. Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I totally agree, but another side of the story...I got treated VERY bad by shelter personnel because I brought in a stray husky I found on the side of the road! I knew they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because I would never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least get off the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again! Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog in danger! On Aug 5, 2011 4:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as disposable things. Lorrie On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote: Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.We recently had a cat in our program who was being advertised on Craigslist because she kept peeing outside the box. Everyone CANNOT keep a cat that keeps peeing outside the box. Everyone is not like us. Yes, they tried different diets, tests for uri, tests for kidney function, different litters and different litter boxes. Nothing worked. The original rescue refused to take the cat back, kept flagging the CL ads - AND SAID TO HAVE THE CAT PUT DOWN BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS A CAT WHO PEES ON THE FLOOR. These people loved the cat and did not want to take her to a shelter. I stepped in and lent them a condo to keep her in so she wouldn't mess the floor while I went so far as to track down the original breeder of the cat (in California) . However we were lucky enough to find a foster in Dallas who specializes in cats with pee problems who took her in. I have had a cat returned twice now who pees outside the box, again the adopters have tried EVERYTHING and really wanted to keep her. I have seen people in my area spend FIVE YEARS spending much of their time running a rescue out of business instead of saving lives because they did not like the way they did rescue. Now there is another large rescue people hate because they do not like the way they do rescue and instead of saving animals actually go around to the various adoption sites pretending to be potential adopters and grilling the volunteers. I am so sick of rescue attitudes I could just scream. Some of the nastiest, vilest people I have ever met have been in rescue - and to be fair some of the kindest as well. Cruelty to humans is still cruelty. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as disposable things. Lorrie On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote: Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or sick cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to fend for themselves! Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this time. There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your animal. My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into our home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat food is do you have cable TV? The response has often been Yes, butI need it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point (no, I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL and all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten. As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH. Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off topic. Edna Taylor Texas Siamese Rescue From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find homes for more animals. Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Kelley, Are you the same Kelley from Austin who used to work with Siamese Rescue? From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:29:20 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or sick cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to fend for themselves! Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this time. There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your animal. My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into our home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat food is do you have cable TV? The response has often been Yes, butI need it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point (no, I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL and all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten. As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH. Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off topic. Edna Taylor Texas Siamese Rescue From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find homes for more animals. Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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good for you Peggy, people can be so judgemental, we went to adopt a dog from the pound and had our daughter with us and they informed us that with a child that puppy could not be trusted! I was so upset I have never gone back, I normally turn to Criags list we have a lot of kitten drop offs and with a FeLV + cat it's just to hard to keep them all 8( But well said, you know your truth! From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I totally agree, but another side of the story...I got treated VERY bad by shelter personnel because I brought in a stray husky I found on the side of the road! I knew they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because I would never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least get off the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again! Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog in danger! On Aug 5, 2011 4:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as disposable things. Lorrie On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote: Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has happened to people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby than anything, and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but I guess her mum is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her house. It just sickens me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when there are hundreds of babies waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, people love baby animals but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot stand people like that. My animals are my children you know? From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What a wonderful example of how to handle a situation, I get that your kids come before pets, I'm happy to hear they just didnt go and drop them off, and you know they were just hoping for the best when they even offered to pay to send the cats back. Everytime we get a drop of my heart just sinks, this more animal, what is it thinking, more so the older ones, you know? No matter the situation how can people just open a door and toss out an animal? From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Are you serious, did she get arrested for animal hording? Come on who does that? She DOES need a neuter! From: D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out there get kittens and puppies and then drop them off once they get bigger or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just grew up. It makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next? Also, I wonder, is it hard to walk and drive a car without a spine? Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
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i like that Edna, I'm so posting that to my FB! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid reasons. They also leave them in abandoned, foreclosed homes to starve to death. Does this mean that we are not supportive and don't care? No, it means many of us are in rescue and our homes are usually filled to the brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to vent. Doesn't mean that we no longer want to support and help others, it means that our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB profile and I copied: My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good at something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family. From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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UUHH, Natalie that just irks me, you know my best friend has 6 cats, most of them she took home from our house as i said before we have a lot of drop offs, and they do not have internet or cable because their animals come FIRST, they also have two dogs, but still she said that these are her children, and like you Cable is nice but so is a good book, and she can watch television on her phone, but still. As she says, one less bill is one more bag of food. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or sick cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to fend for themselves! Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this time. There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your animal. My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into our home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat food is do you have cable TV? The response has often been Yes, butI need it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point (no, I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL and all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten. As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH. Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off topic. Edna Taylor Texas Siamese Rescue From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find homes for more animals. Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I guess we've all seen a little of everything. The problem with us in rescue is that by definition rescue means you are rescuing homeless or abused animals. So rescue people will always see the worst and it makes us hard and cynical. The pure selfishness of people probably gets to me worse than anything else. Although there are definitely some sick SOBs out there too. Kelley, I would guess that the rescue you've worked with is an exception, not the rule. At least I hope so. None of the rescues in my area seem that way. Definitely not the rescue I work with. Although we may not agree with the way other rescues do some things we're not going to sabotage them because they're helping animals that we can't help. I'm in GA and there's a serious overpopulation problem here. Dang cats don't take a break in winter and reproduce all year long. Among my rescue group we may individually talk about the way we don't like a rescue handling things (we can all be a little catty) but we never tell other people outside our main core group that because it makes us look bad to bad-mouth another group in public. Within our group we'll get pissed off at each other sometimes but that's a personality thing usually. Guess I'm lucky to have a group like mine. We've done some things with the other groups too and I'll send people there if they want a particular kind of animal that we don't have at the time - like if they want a declawed cat and we don't have one I'll send them to another group. Like I said, I'm lucky. It sounds like you've worked with some crazies though. I guess as far as people go I've seen a lot of bad but I've also seen a lot of good. Sometimes I'm amazed the people that come by our adoptions to tell us about their wonderful cat/dog and how they've spoiled them rotten and I've been so fortunate to have found great homes for my animals. It's amazing to me to see so many animal lovers. I thought I was the only sick one out there :-) My husband definitely thinks I'm the only one there is that loves animals the way I do. But, there's a lot of selfish people too and it's shocking to me the people that see animals as an object. It's like they don't realize that it's a living being with feelings and needs. It's like they don't even realize that by getting rid of their animal they are ripping it from it's home and turning their world upside down. My co-worker said his mother needed to get rid of her cats and his attitude was so casual like oh we'll just send them on I wanted to slap him and say it's their home too. I told him that if she was ready to give them up so easily she's probably one of those people who didn't need animals. And it gets worse than that. We've gotten animals that have been thrown out the car window while it was still moving and all kinds of crazy stuff. Now that's just cruel. Finding kittens puppies in dumpsters in common around here. Those are the kinds of people that many of us hate, or at least have no use for. There are a lot of those sick people and there's no denying it. But I guess even the ones with the casual attitude that just get tired of their pets are probably the worse because they're not sick in the head, they're just plain selfish and heartless. They know better and still toss the animal out just cause they want to and what they want matters more to them. Like Natalie said, it's a throw away society. And the reason is because of plain selfishness and lack of empathy. This economy has made things a lot worse in our area. There are people with legitimate reasons for needing to re-home their animals, like getting foreclosed on. I always say that if I lose my house I'd live in my car in the woods with my animals before I'd turn them out, but if you've got kids you can't do that and sometimes you have to choose. And there are many other legitimate reasons and people bring us their animals with tears. But by and large, it's some sorry ass excuse that we can see right through. I think because a lot of us in rescue see more homeless animals than we can possibly adopt out it's hard to remember all the good people we've met through rescue. It seems the negative outweighs the good just in sheer numbers so I have to remind myself that although there really are some no good rotten people there are some truly wonderful people too with good hearts. Even so, I have to admit that I say I hate people on a regular basis too. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list
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I like that too. However my husband just called to tell me one of our cats just brought in a bird (we have a cat fence in our backyard) and that the bird is trapped in my computer stand. Makes me wonder why I love those little bloodthirsty killers. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:01:19 -0700 From: joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! i like that Edna, I'm so posting that to my FB! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid reasons. They also leave them in abandoned, foreclosed homes to starve to death. Does this mean that we are not supportive and don't care? No, it means many of us are in rescue and our homes are usually filled to the brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to vent. Doesn't mean that we no longer want to support and help others, it means that our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB profile and I copied: My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good at something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family. From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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The worse part is that if you're the one in the rescue that is taking the animal in from those kinds of people you can't tell them off because you need to get the animal in hand first so they don't hurt it or just dump it by the road. Man is it hard to bite your tongue sometimes. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:56:22 -0700 From: joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out there get kittens and puppies and then drop them off once they get bigger or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just grew up. It makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next? Also, I wonder, is it hard to walk and drive a car without a spine? Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society!
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You should tell her to tell her friend that she needs to come out of the dark ages and stop believing that old wives tale about cats smothering babies. I can just see a cat put one paw over a baby's nose and then a paw over it's mouth with the intention of smothering it. And about the whole licking the babies mouth to get the milk, that's crap but even it was true the baby can still breath out of it's nose. I just can't see how it's possible for a cat to smother a baby. And cat's can't suck so they can't suck the breath from the baby. And even if they could suck the baby's lungs are stronger and bigger than a cat's so it wouldn't be able to suck enough breath out of it to smother it. Tell your friend she shouldn't hang around such stupid people. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:40:57 -0700 From: joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has happened to people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby than anything, and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but I guess her mum is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her house. It just sickens me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when there are hundreds of babies waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, people love baby animals but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot stand people like that. My animals are my children you know? From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's true - rescuers get to see and hear of real scum of the earth - Do Not Adopt lists circulate constantly of people who pretend to be nice, but end up torturing kittens and cats. I had an alert of a woman on Long Island with three children and 2 cats who lost her home and is going to a shelter, where she can't keep her cats. For a while, they lived in her car with the cats. She is looking for someone to foster her two cats until she can get her act togetherthat's a NICE person; she doesn't want to give up her other children! I have one nice large cat condo available right now and offered to keep them for her...haven't heard back yet. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 7:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I guess we've all seen a little of everything. The problem with us in rescue is that by definition rescue means you are rescuing homeless or abused animals. So rescue people will always see the worst and it makes us hard and cynical. The pure selfishness of people probably gets to me worse than anything else. Although there are definitely some sick SOBs out there too. Kelley, I would guess that the rescue you've worked with is an exception, not the rule. At least I hope so. None of the rescues in my area seem that way. Definitely not the rescue I work with. Although we may not agree with the way other rescues do some things we're not going to sabotage them because they're helping animals that we can't help. I'm in GA and there's a serious overpopulation problem here. Dang cats don't take a break in winter and reproduce all year long. Among my rescue group we may individually talk about the way we don't like a rescue handling things (we can all be a little catty) but we never tell other people outside our main core group that because it makes us look bad to bad-mouth another group in public. Within our group we'll get pissed off at each other sometimes but that's a personality thing usually. Guess I'm lucky to have a group like mine. We've done some things with the other groups too and I'll send people there if they want a particular kind of animal that we don't have at the time - like if they want a declawed cat and we don't have one I'll send them to another group. Like I said, I'm lucky. It sounds like you've worked with some crazies though. I guess as far as people go I've seen a lot of bad but I've also seen a lot of good. Sometimes I'm amazed the people that come by our adoptions to tell us about their wonderful cat/dog and how they've spoiled them rotten and I've been so fortunate to have found great homes for my animals. It's amazing to me to see so many animal lovers. I thought I was the only sick one out there :-) My husband definitely thinks I'm the only one there is that loves animals the way I do. But, there's a lot of selfish people too and it's shocking to me the people that see animals as an object. It's like they don't realize that it's a living being with feelings and needs. It's like they don't even realize that by getting rid of their animal they are ripping it from it's home and turning their world upside down. My co-worker said his mother needed to get rid of her cats and his attitude was so casual like oh we'll just send them on I wanted to slap him and say it's their home too. I told him that if she was ready to give them up so easily she's probably one of those people who didn't need animals. And it gets worse than that. We've gotten animals that have been thrown out the car window while it was still moving and all kinds of crazy stuff. Now that's just cruel. Finding kittens puppies in dumpsters in common around here. Those are the kinds of people that many of us hate, or at least have no use for. There are a lot of those sick people and there's no denying it. But I guess even the ones with the casual attitude that just get tired of their pets are probably the worse because they're not sick in the head, they're just plain selfish and heartless. They know better and still toss the animal out just cause they want to and what they want matters more to them. Like Natalie said, it's a throw away society. And the reason is because of plain selfishness and lack of empathy. This economy has made things a lot worse in our area. There are people with legitimate reasons for needing to re-home their animals, like getting foreclosed on. I always say that if I lose my house I'd live in my car in the woods with my animals before I'd turn them out, but if you've got kids you can't do that and sometimes you have to choose. And there are many other legitimate reasons and people bring us their animals with tears. But by and large, it's some sorry ass excuse that we can see right through. I think because a lot of us in rescue see more homeless animals than we
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AMEN to that! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 7:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! You should tell her to tell her friend that she needs to come out of the dark ages and stop believing that old wives tale about cats smothering babies. I can just see a cat put one paw over a baby's nose and then a paw over it's mouth with the intention of smothering it. And about the whole licking the babies mouth to get the milk, that's crap but even it was true the baby can still breath out of it's nose. I just can't see how it's possible for a cat to smother a baby. And cat's can't suck so they can't suck the breath from the baby. And even if they could suck the baby's lungs are stronger and bigger than a cat's so it wouldn't be able to suck enough breath out of it to smother it. Tell your friend she shouldn't hang around such stupid people. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:40:57 -0700 From: joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has happened to people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby than anything, and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but I guess her mum is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her house. It just sickens me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when there are hundreds of babies waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, people love baby animals but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot stand people like that. My animals are my children you know? From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Edna, can I steal that line for my FB as well. lets see how far it travels around the rescue community! --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 7:01 PM i like that Edna, I'm so posting that to my FB! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid reasons. They also leave them in abandoned, foreclosed homes to starve to death. Does this mean that we are not supportive and don't care? No, it means many of us are in rescue and our homes are usually filled to the brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to vent. Doesn't mean that we no longer want to support and help others, it means that our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB profile and I copied: My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good at something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family. From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, I am. When I originally came to this list, it was because I had a kitten who tested light pos (I have since learned there is no such thing) and SR was giving me no support whatsoever so I came here for support instead. Everyone here wanted to know who the rescue was but I didn't tell them because I think telling names of rescues is tacky. Everyone here was also incredibly supportive when the horror that was visited on myself and my personal and rescued cats came. I have been really glad to have this list over the years. I love doing rescue but I've learned that other rescuers tend to be cutthroat and just plain mean to other people. I think if we were all nicer to other people and to animals this world would be a much better place. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: Kelley, Are you the same Kelley from Austin who used to work with Siamese Rescue? From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:29:20 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or sick cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to fend for themselves! Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this time. There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your animal. My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into our home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat food is do you have cable TV? The response has often been Yes, butI need it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point (no, I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL and all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten. As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH. Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off topic. Edna Taylor Texas Siamese Rescue From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find homes for more animals. Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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KIDS? it is called child abuse...happens all the time..Grandmother in Pheonix locked granddaughter in locker.because she stole a popcycle from the frig.The girls mother left her with the grandmother because GRANDMOTHER was abusive. SPAY AND NEUTER... --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 3:56 PM I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out there get kittens and puppies and then drop them off once they get bigger or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just grew up. It makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next? Also, I wonder, is it hard to walk and drive a car without a spine? Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say
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Hi all, Sorry if this is long. I've been on this group/listfor a very long time. Seen many members come and go over the course of time byexpressing their opinions that others didn't approve. I continue to stay on for support and to help others if I can off the group/list. However, I do agree with Kelley. There are some nasty rescues out there. They are all over. I've been in rescue for over 30 years. So this pretty much explains what I've seen, heard, and been involved withover time. My first real personal kitty had FELV as he died in 1975 to secondary complications. This goes back into time 1972.Even though growing up we had other animals and my parents were reputable breeders of cats/dogs/horses/cattle. I wanted to help a kitten that was doom to die. I remember, calling my Dad and crying they couldn't do this to the baby. He came by and got the kitten for me. Anyway, the kitty was a 5 week old Siamese mix kitten that was dumped at the "Dog Pound" thisis what they were called back then.Theyhad revolving doors anyone was able to walk in. Attitudes were bad back then by the staff. What I saw was a status ego or it was just a jobeither they were burned out, or didn't care it was a paycheck. After what I saw growing up I decided to try and save as many as I could. It is unfortunate many sheltersare still like this! Then another special Siamese kitten came along and stoled my heart. He too was FELV. He is the reasonhow my rescuefinally got a name. "Tazzy" so he did not die in vain. His memory is kept alive by rescuing, TNR,and helping others most importantly the kittiesgo to good homes. I still rescue both negative and positive FELV Siamese kitties. Even though I am getting older...lol Also, been doing hoarding situations a bit in the last few years. Because reality is if I or my connections don't do something most will be euthanized by the city/county shelters. They want to make money not to lose it. It's okay to voice your opinions and air your beef when needed. Most of us understand and it shouldn't be taken seriously. If we didn't care we wouldn't react like this! I hope what I'm saying makes sense. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.comDate: Fri, August 05, 2011 9:48 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgIn all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel andjudgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There'salways someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doingsomething right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out ofrescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I thinkwhenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adoptershave been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had ababy who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on aform you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to thepound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) anddelivered back to us safely.Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree. we are not speaking. From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! You should tell her to tell her friend that she needs to come out of the dark ages and stop believing that old wives tale about cats smothering babies. I can just see a cat put one paw over a baby's nose and then a paw over it's mouth with the intention of smothering it. And about the whole licking the babies mouth to get the milk, that's crap but even it was true the baby can still breath out of it's nose. I just can't see how it's possible for a cat to smother a baby. And cat's can't suck so they can't suck the breath from the baby. And even if they could suck the baby's lungs are stronger and bigger than a cat's so it wouldn't be able to suck enough breath out of it to smother it. Tell your friend she shouldn't hang around such stupid people. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:40:57 -0700 From: joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has happened to people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby than anything, and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but I guess her mum is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her house. It just sickens me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when there are hundreds of babies waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, people love baby animals but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot stand people like that. My animals are my children you know? From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
