Re: [Felvtalk] Idexx combo tests

[Kelley Saveika]

The patent ran out so i assumed others were producing them more cheaply but
I don't know.  That's what happens with human medications...

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Beth  wrote:

> Oh ok. Yes we used those when they 1st came out. They were inaccurate so
> we stopped using them. So I guess there is no alternative any more?
> Beth
>
> Kelley Saveika  wrote:
>
> >Yes, they now make "triple tests" (heartworm/FIV?FELV) which are less
> >accurate.  Apparently their patent ran out.
> >
> >On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Beth  wrote:
> >
> >> Our shelter has been told Idexx has stopped making combo tests
> >> indefinitely. Has anyone else in rescue heard this?
> >>
> >> Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Beth]

If the neutering was going to affect him it would have been right away. My own 
cat acted fine one day (playing in the yard under supervision) & at the 
emergency vet the next day with severe anemia. Cats are good at hiding illness. 
I know the anemia did not come on overnight. She was just hiding it until she 
couldn't hide it anymore. 
Don't beat yourself up over neutering your baby. That wasn't the problem. It 
was just this horrible virus.

Beth

Lynda Wilson  wrote:

>I agree, but admit, it had me thinking twice. It's heartbreaking that he was 
>fine one day and on death's door the next :(   I miss him so!
>
>Bless all the sick furry babies...
>
>L
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Lorrie" 
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 3:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>
>
>>I really doubt it was neutering that caused his death. Anemia is
>> one of the complications of FelV.
>>
>>
>> On 01-02, Lynda Wilson wrote:
>>>Sorry  to  say,  but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the
>>>time  we  did  not know he was positive because he actually tested neg
>>>for  it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia &
>>>other  complications  due  to  being  FeLV  positive.  I don't know if
>>>getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've
>>>mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?
>>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[dlgegg]

My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up to date and 
if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc.  He treats the wounds, fevor 
first, then when they are healed, does surgery.

 Marcia  wrote: 
> I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes 
> up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS  wrote:
> 
> > My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the 
> > weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any 
> > reactions
> >  
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
> >  
> > I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that 
> > time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat.  When 
> > I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that "they had never had 
> > any trouble with..."  Given that most cats in this county, 
> > including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know.
> >  
> >  
> > On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, 
> > they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what 
> > started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I 
> > agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
> > did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he 
> > was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications 
> > due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered 
> > this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else 
> > heard of this?
> > - Original Message -
> > From: dppl dppl
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
> >  
> > I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He 
> > seems to be
> > healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should 
> > have him
> > neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive 
> > cat,
> > claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
> > their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
> > experience?
> > Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet 
> > give
> > vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She 
> > sent the
> > blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
> > same visit
> > when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
> >  
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Beth]

I agree with FeLV cats, but I never had an issue vaccinating my healthy FIV 
cat. I had to vaccinate him for FeLV as he lived with FeLV cats. I only gave 
him The FVRCP vaccine when I did a lot of rescue & was worried about exposure 
since I was dealing with a lot of kittens from bad situations.
Beth

Marta Gasper  wrote:

>Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is 
>most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the 
>rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but 
>not FIV/FeLV.
>And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give 
>rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV.
>One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they 
>shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a 
>nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least 
>she'd lose her job if not her license, vet  clinic staff on the other 
>hand..argh
>Marta
> 
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>--- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia  wrote:
>
>
>From: Marcia 
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM
>
>
>
>
>My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
>vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
>him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
>would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
>did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was 
>much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to 
>being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but 
>now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: dppl dppl 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>
>
>
>I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
>to be
>healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have 
>him
>neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
>claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
>their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
>experience?
>Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
>vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
>the 
>blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
>same visit
>when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Idexx combo tests

[Beth]

Oh ok. Yes we used those when they 1st came out. They were inaccurate so we 
stopped using them. So I guess there is no alternative any more?
Beth

Kelley Saveika  wrote:

>Yes, they now make "triple tests" (heartworm/FIV?FELV) which are less
>accurate.  Apparently their patent ran out.
>
>On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Beth  wrote:
>
>> Our shelter has been told Idexx has stopped making combo tests
>> indefinitely. Has anyone else in rescue heard this?
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Idexx combo tests

[Kelley Saveika]

Yes, they now make "triple tests" (heartworm/FIV?FELV) which are less
accurate.  Apparently their patent ran out.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Beth  wrote:

> Our shelter has been told Idexx has stopped making combo tests
> indefinitely. Has anyone else in rescue heard this?
>
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[Felvtalk] Idexx combo tests

[Beth]

Our shelter has been told Idexx has stopped making combo tests indefinitely. 
Has anyone else in rescue heard this?

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Beth]

I cannot imagine having & uneutered cat in my house. The smell would get 
untolerable as they mature. I've always fixed my FeLV cats. The syress on them 
has to be worse than the surgery. I would not vaccinate for FVRCP. My one cat 
spiraled down hill quickly after the vaccine & I've heard of othrs having the 
same problem.
I would have the CBC done 1st.

Beth

GRAS  wrote:

>Vaccinating FeLV+ kittens is far more dangerous than neutering them.  However, 
>since they would be indoor cats anyway, no danger of impregnating any females, 
>I don’t see any real reason for neutering them.  If one considers that their 
>lives would not be that long, if they already exhibit symptoms, the only thing 
>that could happen is that they might start spraying and have very stinky urine.
>
> 
>
>From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
>Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:48 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>
> 
>
>My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
>vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
>him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
>would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:
>
>Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
>did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was 
>much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to 
>being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but 
>now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?
>
>- Original Message - 
>
>From: dppl dppl   
>
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
>
>Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>
> 
>
>I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
>to be
>
>healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have 
>him
>
>neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
>
>claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
>
>their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
>experience?
>
>Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
>
>vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
>the 
>
>blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
>same visit
>
>when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Marcia]

I'm so sorry you had to go through all of that, and  for your cats too.  How 
horrible.
Marcia
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:44 PM, MaiMaiPG  wrote:

> I had two females.  One was treated as a regular cat, spayed, came home and 
> was kept up and checked on regularly.  She was fine, eating and.well fine 
> when I checked her on the second/third night.  She was dying in my arms the 
> next morning.  A very few months later I had another female, tested for 
> everything, taken to another vet (she was not related to the first girl), 
> spayed and given a lot more care.  She came home, was kept up and was dying 
> in my arms the third day.  There was no evidence of any problems with either 
> girl.  And both vets are great but they are one person practices so they 
> weren't around when I needed them the most.  Two cats, two vets..it 
> happens and we can't always predict it.  Needless to say, I die inside every 
> time I have a female spayed and have found a multiple vet practice that is a 
> longer way from here and no girl comes home until after the third day.  At 
> least she will be near medical care if things go sour  Things happen and 
> sometimes there just isn't anything we can do.  We do our very best and that 
> is all we can do.
> 
> On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:07 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote:
> 
>> I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks 
>> good before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC 
>> might be a little off -
>> I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of 
>> triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month 
>> after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of 
>> it as she was completely healthy - I was devastated.
>>  
>> Hideyo
>>  
>> > Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500
>> > From: felineres...@frontier.com
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>> > 
>> > I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or
>> > spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery
>> > just fine regardless of their FelV status.
>> > 
>> > Lorrie
>> > 
>> > On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in
>> > > October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time
>> > > and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
>> > > neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a
>> > > positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system
>> > > problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding
>> > > out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any
>> > > input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
>> > > vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed
>> > > positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she
>> > > said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was
>> > > drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
>> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Marcia]

I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes up. 
I bet it happens more than anyone knows!

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On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS  wrote:

> My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the 
> weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any reactions
>  
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>  
> I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that 
> time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat.  When I 
> expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that "they had never had any 
> trouble with..."  Given that most cats in this county, including the 
> little one in question, live outside, he would never know.
>  
>  
> On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote:
> 
> 
> My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
> vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
> him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
> would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:
> 
> Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
> did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he 
> was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications 
> due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered 
> this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else 
> heard of this?
> - Original Message -
> From: dppl dppl
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>  
> I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He 
> seems to be
> healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have 
> him
> neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
> claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
> their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
> experience?
> Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
> vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
> the
> blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
> same visit
> when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
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[dppl dppl]

I can't wait until they perfect non surgical sterilzation of animals.  I 
suppose they will be other issues though as they always is with drugs, etc.  
But maybe not. This site 
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[MaiMaiPG]

I had two females.  One was treated as a regular cat, spayed, came  
home and was kept up and checked on regularly.  She was fine, eating  
and.well fine when I checked her on the second/third night.  She was  
dying in my arms the next morning.  A very few months later I had  
another female, tested for everything, taken to another vet (she was  
not related to the first girl), spayed and given a lot more care.  She  
came home, was kept up and was dying in my arms the third day.  There  
was no evidence of any problems with either girl.  And both vets are  
great but they are one person practices so they weren't around when I  
needed them the most.  Two cats, two vets..it happens and we  
can't always predict it.  Needless to say, I die inside every time I  
have a female spayed and have found a multiple vet practice that is a  
longer way from here and no girl comes home until after the third  
day.  At least she will be near medical care if things go sour  Things  
happen and sometimes there just isn't anything we can do.  We do our  
very best and that is all we can do.


On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:07 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote:

I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything  
looks good before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes  
their WBC/RBC might be a little off -
I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress  
sort of triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi  
died about a month after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma -  
but we did not even think of it as she was completely healthy - I  
was devastated.


Hideyo

> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500
> From: felineres...@frontier.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>
> I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or
> spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery
> just fine regardless of their FelV status.
>
> Lorrie
>
> On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in
> > October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time
> > and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
> > neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a
> > positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system
> > problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding
> > out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any
> > input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
> > vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed
> > positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she
> > said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was
> > drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks good 
before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC might be 
a little off -
I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of 
triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month 
after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of it 
as she was completely healthy - I was devastated.
 
Hideyo
 

> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500
> From: felineres...@frontier.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
> 
> I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or
> spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery
> just fine regardless of their FelV status.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in
> > October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time
> > and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
> > neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a
> > positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system
> > problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding
> > out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any
> > input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
> > vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed
> > positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she
> > said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was
> > drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
> 
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[GRAS]

My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the
weather.you are right, how would they know if cats have had any
reactions

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 

I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that
time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat.  When I
expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that "they had never had any
trouble with..."  Given that most cats in this county, including the
little one in question, live outside, he would never know.

 

 

On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote:





My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly,
they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what
started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I
agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" 
wrote:

Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we
did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he
was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications
due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered
this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else
heard of this?

- Original Message -

From: dppl dppl  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM

Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He
seems to be

healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have
him

neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive
cat,

claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered

their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your
experience?

Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet
give

vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She
sent the

blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that
same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.

 


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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[GRAS]

However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not
giving them rabies vaccines.who would know?

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 


Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is
most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most
the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another
but not FIV/FeLV.

And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give
rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV.

One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they
shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c
a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least
she'd lose her job if not her license, vet  clinic staff on the other
hand..argh

Marta

 

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From: Marcia 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM

My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly,
they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what
started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I
agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=longhornf...@verizon.net> >
wrote:

Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we
did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he
was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications
due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered
this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else
heard of this?

- Original Message - 

From: dppl dppl
  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org



Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM

Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He
seems to be

healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have
him

neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive
cat,

claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered

their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your
experience?

Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet
give

vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She
sent the 

blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that
same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[GRAS]

Vaccinating FeLV+ kittens is far more dangerous than neutering them.  However, 
since they would be indoor cats anyway, no danger of impregnating any females, 
I don’t see any real reason for neutering them.  If one considers that their 
lives would not be that long, if they already exhibit symptoms, the only thing 
that could happen is that they might start spraying and have very stinky urine.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 

My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:

Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did 
not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much 
younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to being 
FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm 
wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?

- Original Message - 

From: dppl dppl   

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM

Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
to be

healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him

neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,

claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered

their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
experience?

Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give

vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
the 

blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Marcia Baronda]

yes, i totally agree with you. they should definitelty be stretched out!!

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:03 PM, MaiMaiPG  wrote:

> Some jurisdictions accept a vet's letter that an animal is not well enough
> to receive rabies vaccinations.  My vet did this when I had a dog with
> auto-immune issues.
>
> If that doesn't work, the vaccination does not have to be done at the same
> time as the neuter.  My current cats are very health but I stretched their
> vaccinations and neutering out.  More trips to the vet and more expensive
> but worth it to me.
>
> On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:19 AM,  Gasper wrote:
>
> Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It
> is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at
> most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one
> another but not FIV/FeLV.
> And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give
> rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV.
> One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or
> they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were
> killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary
> manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet  clinic
> staff on the other hand..argh
> Marta
>
> http://homelessnomore.webs.com/
>
> --- On *Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia * wrote:
>
>
> From: Marcia 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM
>
> My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly,
> they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what
> started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I
> agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson" 
> http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=longhornf...@verizon.net>>
> wrote:
>
> Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time
> we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when
> he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other
> complications due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him
> neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.
> Has anyone else heard of this?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* dppl 
> dppl
> *To:* 
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>
> I still have Mitt, the kitten* I found in October who tested positive. He
> seems to be*
> *healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should
> have him*
> *neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a
> positive cat,*
> *claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone
> neutered*
> *their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your
> experience?*
> *Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the
> vet give*
> *vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She
> sent the*
> *blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and
> that same visit*
> *when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.*
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[MaiMaiPG]

I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at  
that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick  
cat.  When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that "they  
had never had any trouble with..."  Given that most cats in  
this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he  
would never know.



On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote:

My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But  
honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I  
think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask  
for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more  
stressful for him to stay intact.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  
 wrote:


Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the  
time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg  
for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  
& other complications due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if  
getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since  
you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?

- Original Message -
From: dppl dppl
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested  
positive. He seems to be
healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I  
should have him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a  
positive cat,
claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone  
neutered
their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was  
your experience?
Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why  
the vet give
vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed  
positive. She sent the
blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly  
and that same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.


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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[MaiMaiPG]

Some jurisdictions accept a vet's letter that an animal is not well  
enough to receive rabies vaccinations.  My vet did this when I had a  
dog with auto-immune issues.


If that doesn't work, the vaccination does not have to be done at the  
same time as the neuter.  My current cats are very health but I  
stretched their vaccinations and neutering out.  More trips to the vet  
and more expensive but worth it to me.

On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:19 AM,  Gasper wrote:

Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to  
all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty  
should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can  
have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV.
And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would  
just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others,  
same with FIV.
One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be  
or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that  
were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is  
involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her  
license, vet  clinic staff on the other hand..argh

Marta

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--- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia  wrote:

From: Marcia 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM

My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But  
honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I  
think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask  
for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more  
stressful for him to stay intact.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  
 wrote:


Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the  
time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg  
for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  
& other complications due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if  
getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since  
you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?

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From: dppl dppl
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested  
positive. He seems to be
healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I  
should have him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a  
positive cat,
claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone  
neutered
their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was  
your experience?
Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why  
the vet give
vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed  
positive. She sent the
blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly  
and that same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Marta Gasper]

Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is 
most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the 
rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but 
not FIV/FeLV.
And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give 
rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV.
One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they 
shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a 
nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least 
she'd lose her job if not her license, vet  clinic staff on the other hand..argh
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--- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia  wrote:


From: Marcia 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM




My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:







Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did 
not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much 
younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to being 
FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm 
wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?

- Original Message - 
From: dppl dppl 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat



I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
to be
healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
experience?
Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
the 
blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
same visit
when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.



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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Marcia]

My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.

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On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:

> Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
> did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he 
> was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications 
> due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered 
> this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else 
> heard of this?
> - Original Message -
> From: dppl dppl
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
> 
> I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He 
> seems to be
> healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have 
> him
> neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
> claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
> their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
> experience?
> Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
> vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
> the
> blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
> same visit
> when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Brutus Beefcake Please add to the CLS

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Brutus...

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 6 
furangels: 
Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynda Wilson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brutus Beefcake Please add to the CLS


  Aw! So sorry to hear about Brutus! They are all so lucky to have you and 
Marcia taking such great care of them.  I will hope for a healthier year for 
everyone's furry babies in 2012, a wish that I hope comes true!! Many Blessings 
to you Sherry~ L
- Original Message - 
From: Sherry DeHaan 
To: Felvtalk 
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:46 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Brutus Beefcake Please add to the CLS


  I didn't get the chance to send this earlier,but sweet Brutus crossed 
the Bridge last Friday Dec 23,he was lucky to of had a home with our wonderful 
volunteer Marcia who lost several of the Sids kids that she took home this past 
year. Many of us had multiple losses in 2011,lets hope for a healthier year for 
our precious fur kids. Many blessings to all of my friends and support here on 
the felv group.You are all a blessing to me too  :)
  Sherry





   
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  than our own,
  Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
  Unable to accept its awful gaps.
  We still would have it no other way" 






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Re: [Felvtalk] Brutus Beefcake Please add to the CLS

[Belinda Sauro]

   Hi Sherry,
Please tell Marcia I am sorry for her loss, I have Brutus added to 
2011's losses.




On 1/2/2012 7:46 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote:
I didn't get the chance to send this earlier,but sweet Brutus crossed 
the Bridge last Friday Dec 23,he was lucky to of had a home with our 
wonderful volunteer Marcia who lost several of the Sids kids that she 
took home this past year. Many of us had multiple losses in 2011,lets 
hope for a healthier year for our precious fur kids. Many blessings to 
all of my friends and support here on the felv group.You are all a 
blessing to me too  :)

Sherry



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Re: [Felvtalk] Brutus Beefcake Please add to the CLS

[Lynda Wilson]

Aw! So sorry to hear about Brutus! They are all so lucky to have you and Marcia 
taking such great care of them.  I will hope for a healthier year for 
everyone's furry babies in 2012, a wish that I hope comes true!! Many Blessings 
to you Sherry~ L
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: Felvtalk 
  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:46 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Brutus Beefcake Please add to the CLS


I didn't get the chance to send this earlier,but sweet Brutus crossed 
the Bridge last Friday Dec 23,he was lucky to of had a home with our wonderful 
volunteer Marcia who lost several of the Sids kids that she took home this past 
year. Many of us had multiple losses in 2011,lets hope for a healthier year for 
our precious fur kids. Many blessings to all of my friends and support here on 
the felv group.You are all a blessing to me too  :)
Sherry





 
"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way" 



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