Re: [Felvtalk] Goodbye sweet Casper

[Jane Lyons]

Oh Sue I am heartbroken for you. There is always something so special and 
endearing about these kitties that makes loosing them
so much harder. I am picturing MeMe and Casper together, knowing both are free 
of pain at last.
You were a gift to Casper and he knew it.

I am thinking of you.
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On Apr 7, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Frank & Sue Koren wrote:

> I am heartbroken to say that this afternoon my sweet Casper lost his battle.  
> He was one of the most sweet tempered cats I have ever known.  He never ever 
> bit or clawed anyone in anger, not for any reason. 
> 
> He used to come to bed and make bread in the middle of the night right into 
> my stomach until I got in the habit of sleeping while holding his paws gently 
> in my hands. 
> 
> He loved nothing more then to be brushed with an old blue hairbrush.  In the 
> middle of the night last night I was spending what I was pretty sure was my 
> last few hours with him brushing him with it.  He was still pushing against 
> it with the sides of his face and purring.  This morning when I left for work 
> I told him goodbye and thanked him for coming to live with me and being such 
> a special kitty.  My mother in law sat with him today and he passed around 
> 2:30.  She told me the rest of the cats in the house came and sat in a circle 
> around him, almost like a vigil.  Orlando has slept near him for the last 
> several days and through the night. 
> 
> I hope now Casper is in a place where there is no more feline leukemia and he 
> can run free and watch the birds and chipmunks all he wants.  Whenever I lose 
> one of these sweet kitties they take a piece of my heart.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Which probiotic did you use for kitty?

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Claudia
I used Forti-Flora on MeMe. I had no idea that it would help her  
mouth, but after about three weeks I

noticed that her mouth was greatly improved.
It is made by Purina but my vet said it is a very effective product  
and I found that to be true.


I bought it on Amazon (of all places)

Jane
On Mar 16, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Claudia wrote:

Soemone on here mentioned using probiotics for kittys who have felv  
esepecially for tooth problems and stomach issues.  Can someone  
give me the name of the  for felv cats and where i may get it?


My cat jsut finished an antibiotic and I know it would be good to  
give her a probiotic


thanks, Claudia

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When gray cat was first diagnosed his hct was at 9. He is
currently on
a very high dose of Pred & a chemo drug called
Chlorambucil. We are
getting ready to take him off the chemo drug & start
cyclosporin &
once again try to slowly reduce his pred. We did interferon
& LTCI
injections. He test negative now for FeLV. There is always
a 3-4 week
lag time before you start to see the increase in the
Hematocrit with
Pred. We have been going through this since Sept. 2008.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 13, 2010, at 8:17 AM, "Frank & Sue Koren"


wrote:


Hello all;
Casper is my symptomatic cat that became positive

because I mixed my

positives and negatives.  I wondered if somehow I

had missed his

vaccinataion last year.  I asked the vet to

double check and as I

thought he was not even due for his next vaccination

until April.

Anyway, he is now anemic and we are trying to deal

with that.  He

has been getting Prednosolone and Doxycycline for

about a week and a

half without improvement.  His count was 19 when

he was tested two

weeks ago.  I took him today for a PCV and don't

have the results

yet. He also got an iron shot.  I asked about

Epogen.  My vet calls

it Arithro proeatin (I know I botched the spelling of

that.) He is

also looking into Interferon.  Has anyone had

experience with these

with an anemic positive cat?
Now that my decision to mix has make Casper become

positive I want

to do whatever I can for him.
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Re: [Felvtalk] MeMe 2006-3-32010

[Jane Lyons]

thanks Laurie
As I said to you yesterday, you are a great list mate and friend.
I know you understand.

Jane
xxx


On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Laurieskatz wrote:

Jane, I am so sorry. I did not realize when we talked privately  
yesterday
that MeMe took the 10PM flight to heaven just the night before. The  
two
photos of Meme are amazing (and so are your other photos!). Your  
love is
between every line of your story about sweet MeMe. What a joyful  
cat she
was. And what a character. Grief is not for sissies. I still cannot  
talk

about recent losses without tears. I can't talk about long ago losses
without tears. Our grief is evidence that someone lived and was  
loved. It is
how we honor their lives and how we heal. Feel your grief. Let your  
Scotties
comfort you. And you, them. Look for MeMe. I suspect, with  her  
being such a
character, that she will visit you. When the Scotties look at  
something you
cannot see, it could be MeMe. I think animals see things we don't  
or can't.
God bless you for loving this wonderful soul. You will be tied  
together

forever.
Pick up the book Cat Heaven, by Cynthia Rylant, if you can. It is a  
child's

picture book and very comforting.
XO
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[Felvtalk] MeMe 2006-3-32010

[Jane Lyons]

I sent this message yesterday with a photo of MeMe but it did not go  
through the list.
There are two photos of her on my photo webpage. The one on the  
bottom right is the best of the two (if anyone wants to see her face)

Say two of the grieving process is not any better.
Jane

photos
http://digitalimagecafe.com/member_profile.asp?member=memex2
 
 





Last night the vet came at 10:00 to put MeMe to sleep. I had her for  
three years and two
days and I am grateful for each and everyone of those days. She was  
an extraordinary cat.


She was highly symptomatic with Felv  when we adopted her but we  
managed to
get her to a place of almost normalcy for almost three years and up  
until the last few months

she lived a full and happy life.

She had been in steady decline since mid December and the quality of  
her life had diminished
drastically. She stopped eating three days ago and yesterday morning  
she could not jump
down from the kitchen countertop. It was at that moment that I knew I  
had to make the call.


Four weeks ago she had a complete blood work up which turned out to  
be completely normal.
The vet was astonished when he called me with her report. He said he  
had been afraid to read it
because he didn't want to call me with , what he was sure, would be a  
bad report. I knew, despite
the numbers that she was not well. We had given her a round of  
Clavamox to help her stomatitis
and she developed diarrhea that I could not get rid of despite  
homeopathy and Forti-Flora that

had worked before.
We did an ultra sound of her digestive tract which proved to be  
"inconclusive'' and yet she continued
to get sicker. Yesterday my husband found a mass behind her right ear  
that was enormous. It had not
been there a few weeks ago but I suspect her lymphatic system has  
been under assault since mid December
when I began to see changes in her coat and her energy and then her  
behavior. Through it all, she continued
to seek us out to sit in our laps and to sleep in our bed. She never  
hid or indicated that she wanted to be alone.


This weekend I walked into the front hall to find her lying between  
our two Scotties in a pool of sunlight.
As sick and as vulnerable as she was, she trusted them and us. She  
was a strong and trusting and courageous
animal who could scale 40' trees with more agility than a squirrel.  
She was fearless and when we discovered that
she was positive and could not go out she adapted to her cat jacket  
and spent all her days outside or going for
walks with the dogs. She led the pack with her tail straight up and  
an occasional detour to climb a tree (with her

20' retractable leash).

I could go on forever. She was just too wonderful.

I have one positive thing to report. She had stomatitis (inflamed and  
sore gums) which we treated with antibiotics
and homeopathy and a topical spray. Nothing worked for long. I  
discovered over this past month that the pro-biotic
I was using for her diarrhea helped her mouth enormously. I was  
mixing Forti-Flora in her food twice a day for weeks
and last week I noticed that her mouth was almost normal. For anyone  
dealing with stomatitis you might try a probiotic.


So dear friends I think that all of us who are loving these  
endearing, loving creatures can learn a lot from their nobility and  
grace.
MeMe was a gift and a life lesson to me. She has taught me so much  
and while she is not sitting in my lap as I type (and cry) she is  
deeply imbedded in

my heart and will always be.

Bless all of you who are living and learning from these very special  
beings


love
Jane


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Re: [Felvtalk] please remove my name

[Jane Lyons]

SHARON, PLEASE REMOVE YOURSELF AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

Thank you
On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Laurieskatz wrote:


Diane, My response exactly.

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(Sigh.) Sharon, please remove yourself by clicking the link at the  
bottom of
this email (it's on every email you have gotten from the list),  
scroll to

the bottom of the page and type in your email address. You will be
instructed how to unsubscribe.

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I WANT OFF THIS MAILING LIST Please remove my name.

Thank you,
Sharon Fischer
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Re: [Felvtalk] Leftover LTCI?

[Jane Lyons]

Jayson I know that a former list member who lives in New Mexico  
inherited a shelter full off cats
when the owner died suddenly. I also know that she has many Felv  
kitties and would probably be grateful for some doses. She has been  
buying

LTCI from her vet and I am sure a few extra doses would go to good use.

You can contact her :hideyo YAMAMOTO 

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On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Jason Michael Canon wrote:


Greetings,

What have most people been doing with their leftover LTCI?

Thanks

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet dreams little brother

[Jane Lyons]

So very sorry for your loss Jason. We all dread the grief you are  
feeling.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Advice please?

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Avia
I've heard about the five year mark and I've also heard the three  
year obstacle and I've learned from my cat that

 there are no guarantees for any of us.
When I got my cat she was highly symptomatic (URI, swollen glands,  
stomatitis, diarrhea...you name it). I have had her for three years

and she has recovered from everything with the exception of stomatitis.
She is roughly four years old and I sweated getting her past the  
three year mark and of course I am trying to ignore the 'five year  
theory'
because I think we can all become victims of statistics and other  
people's consideration. I am coping by doing everything I can to help  
her live as comfortably as possible for as long as possible. She is  
doing fine. I'm the one who needs to do the work. Ignore the woman  
from the rescue group. Every FeLV kittten

has its own path. Just keep loving them.

Jane

On Jan 26, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Avia Rauscher wrote:

I've been a member here for a while, although I don't post much. I  
lost a 20 month old cat (Cinder) to FeLV a year ago. We found out  
her status post-mortem and through subsequent testing of my other  
three cats found one of them (Onyx) to be FeLV+ as well (Elisa and  
IFA). The other two (Horus & Blackie) have been vaccinated, and  
will be re-tested soon. I did not separate them after learning that  
Onyx was + because - well, any of you who mix your +'s and -'s know  
why.


Although there is no 100% sure way to know which cat gave the FeLV  
to the other, we are working on the assumption that Onyx had it to  
begin with and gave it to Cinder. Cinder was 9 weeks old when we  
adopted from ACC, and Onyx was about 20 months old at the time. I  
got Onyx from a pet store (lesson learned!) and she was in sad  
shape, only six weeks old, dehydrated, malnourished, and with  
coccidia. I couldn't return her to the people who allowed her to  
get into that condition (as suggested by the vet I used at the  
time), but for whatever reason, testing her for FeLV never came up.  
Cinder was tested at the shelter, and came back negative. Horus and  
Blackie both tested negative when they joined our family. At first  
I thought Cinder tested false negative because of her age, but in  
my many conversations with many, many people it seems more likely  
that Onyx had it from birth (or shortly after, she has never been  
exposed to FeLV other than with Cinder) and gave it to Cinder (they  
were very close as almost as soon as I brought Cinder home). Cinder  
developed a URI shortly after leaving the shelter, which Onyx  
caught, of course. Onyx had a much harder time beating the URI,  
part of which was due to a poorly prescribed antibiotic. I realize  
now that it may have been the FeLV that made it so hard for her to  
kick it.


So, Onyx is now four years and a couple of months old. She is  
healthy and active, and I have been so happy that she seems to be  
one of those cats who lives a long time with this virus. Until I  
spoke to a woman from a rescue group doing cat adoptions in a  
nearby pet store. Through conversation I told Onyx's story and this  
woman kindly (hah!) informed me that the life expectancy for a cat  
with FeLV in the bone marrow is five years, so while I'm lucky  
she's survived this long, I shouldn't expect Onyx to be around a  
whole lot longer.


Which brings me to the advice I would like: What are the chances of  
a cat who is FeLV+ from birth living past 5? I have been reading  
all the posts about LCTI, but I am not clear on whether you start  
when they develop symptoms or while they are still healthy. Does  
anyone here know if recurrent FLUTD is commonly seen in FeLV+ cats?  
Horus tested negative and was vaccinated, but he's lost two pounds  
in the last month (his appetite seems fine) and is in the middle of  
his third bout of FLUTD in as many months - he's also asthmatic. I  
am in panic mode right now. Should I re-test him early? Any advice  
anyone here can give me would be very much appreciated.


Avia Rauscher
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lyttle Guy passed away

[Jane Lyons]

so sorry for your loss James. May Little Guy rest in peace.

Jane



On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Sara Kasteleyn wrote:


James...so sorry to learn of the loss of your precious Lyttle Guy.  My
thoughts are with you.  He was so fortunate to have lived in the  
light of

your love.

Sara

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Lyttle Guy passed away

Lyttle Guy passed away in my arms at 4:18am this
morning. He had series of seizures and then gasped his
last breath. He was truly loved and shall be dearly
missed

James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
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Re: [Felvtalk] erythropoietin (i.e.,Epogen, Procrit) with LTCI

[Jane Lyons]

no Jason, but if you find that either help I would be open to  
researching it.


Jane



On Jan 23, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Jason Michael Canon wrote:


Greetings,

Does anyone have experience using either Epogen or Procrit  
concurrently

with LTCI?

Thanks

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mozart Update

[Jane Lyons]

Dear Jason
I am so sorry. We all live in fear of the sadness and loss you are  
experiencing now.

Mozart knows your love and care and he will always be with you.

I wish things could have turned out differently for all of you.

Jane











On Jan 16, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Jason Michael Canon wrote:


Today, I spent an hour digging a grave to hold the body of my beloved
Mozart.   God only knows why he is still alive but I don't intend to
have another untimely period of snow and ice stop me from giving  
him the

burial he deserves.  Regretfully, I don't own a pyramid for his body
like the ancient Egyptian kings provided for their beloved cats.
However, I dug the best grave that I possibly could, in one of his
favorite locations, and today my wife is buying the finest shroud to
place his body in.  Our original plan for the day was to have him  
put to

sleep and bury him this afternoon but none of the local vets were
available so we will probably do everything possible to keep him alive
until next Saturday when our vet will be back in town and can come to
our home.

Mozart was diagnosed positive with FeLV in November 2009.  Within 2  
days

of the diagnosis we put him on Imulan LTCI shots.  Unfortunately, we
started him on 1 shot per week and continued with that for 6  
weeks.  He
began to go downhill quickly during the Christmas break so we  
increased

the LTCI shots to 3 per week but he has continued to loose weight and
the shots are helping less and less.  He is skin and bone but still  
has

the most incredible will to live!  He just will not give up and his
courage further confirms what I already know about him being a truly
outstanding example of the strength, stamina, and independence of his
Bengal cat heritage.  I am so fortunate to have enjoyed his company  
for

over 10 years and will never forget how much he taught me nor
underestimate the additional knowledge he had to share with me.

Thanks to everyone in this loving supportive group for allowing me  
to be

here.  It is possible to feel joy even in times of sorrow when you are
blessed as much as I have received.


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Re: [Felvtalk] question

[Jane Lyons]

Thanks so much Laurie. The thing that is weird is that she is  
grooming herself
but her coat looks dreadful. I'll make arrangements today for blood  
work although I was hoping

to keep her out of the vets. I'll see if he can draw it here?

thanks again
Jane
On Jan 14, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Laurieskatz wrote:

Frankie had greasy fur so I took him in for blood work. He had  
pancreatitis.

It is under control with a food change.
The unkempt fur is from not feeling well. They stop grooming  
themselves.

Frankie also has the guttural cough. He has asthma.
Frankie is not FeLV+.
Good luck. It is very good that she is still eating. I would look for
changes in her stool. Frankie's was fudgy on and off - I realize  
now it was

probably fudgy when his pancreatitis was acting up.
L

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I've had MeMe for three years, this month. Considering the condition
she was in when we got her she has done
very well.
There are two things that concern me right now and I was wondering if
anyone on the list had any ideas.

Her coat is in terrible condition.  It is hard to describe but it
looks somewhat oily and really
bedraggled. I guess it should not look healthy since she has Felv,
but it is a dramatic change from her once
fluffy coat. It has been this way for a few months.
During the past week she has had a deep, almost guttural cough. I
have only heard it a few times, possibly once
a day, but I've heard it. She's just finished 10 days of Clavamox to
help keep her stomatitis in check.
She is eating very well but something is off and I am not sure what.
Her posture is different. She has her paws
tucked under her chest.

We've started her on LTCI injections just before Christmas and I have
a vet who is making house calls to inject her
and he will be here today. He has not seen the change in her coat nor
heard this deep cough. I'm not sure what he can
determine without bloodwork. I was hoping that someone with a Felv
cat might have seen similar changes and had an
idea where to begin.

Sorry this is all so vague.

Jane





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[Felvtalk] question

[Jane Lyons]

I've had MeMe for three years, this month. Considering the condition  
she was in when we got her she has done

very well.
There are two things that concern me right now and I was wondering if  
anyone on the list had any ideas.


Her coat is in terrible condition.  It is hard to describe but it  
looks somewhat oily and really
bedraggled. I guess it should not look healthy since she has Felv,  
but it is a dramatic change from her once

fluffy coat. It has been this way for a few months.
During the past week she has had a deep, almost guttural cough. I  
have only heard it a few times, possibly once
a day, but I've heard it. She's just finished 10 days of Clavamox to  
help keep her stomatitis in check.
She is eating very well but something is off and I am not sure what.  
Her posture is different. She has her paws

tucked under her chest.

We've started her on LTCI injections just before Christmas and I have  
a vet who is making house calls to inject her
and he will be here today. He has not seen the change in her coat nor  
heard this deep cough. I'm not sure what he can
determine without bloodwork. I was hoping that someone with a Felv  
cat might have seen similar changes and had an

idea where to begin.

Sorry this is all so vague.

Jane





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Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI Veterinary Expert

[Jane Lyons]

I would love to know the answer to your question, too Jason.

I am using LTCI now and have a vet who is willing to come to our house
to give our cat the shot, but has no experience with LTCI. I cannot  
find one

in our area who has any experience with it.

I know that Laurie's vet has used it and she may be available for a  
consult.

I think she has a practice in the mid west. Hopefully she will see this.

Jane





On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:05 PM, Jason Michael Canon wrote:


Does anyone know of a vet that has solid experience with using LTCI?
I'm interested in obtaining a consult.

Thanks,
Jason

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Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!

[Jane Lyons]

I'm getting it from a friend (a former list member in NM who is  
getting it from her vet and sending it to me). Can you ask someone  
out of state to
order it for you and send it to you directly. I cannot imagine that  
you would be penalized for excepting a package from out of state? It  
really

sounds like gestapo tactics. "not allowing it in the state".

Good luck getting and using it!
Jane
On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:01 PM, LauraM wrote:

As some of you may have read in my post from last week, my vet and  
I had planned to start Bridget on LTCI. Unfortunately, when my vet  
tried to order it, there was a problem. For some reason, the GA  
state vet isn't allowing the drug into the state at this time, for  
anybody - some legal issue. So.what are my options? I was  
excited & hopeful about the possibilities of this drug & now  
Bridget can't have it.
What other therapies can you folks recommend? I've used interferon  
with two cats with no success. Bridget is currently asymptomatic,  
but I would like to try something, anything, to buy her as much  
time as possible. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks.

Laura
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rosie and Murphy Update-LTCI

[Jane Lyons]

Alice I am so glad to hear this news. I have been thinking about you.

I am splitting the first 10 dose supply with a woman who used to be  
on this list.


MeMe has been stable for almost two years but I am heading your (and  
Jenny's) advise
to act now and not wait until things go south. I am hoping it will  
help her stomatitis.
I do not have allusions of this being a cure but anything that  
improves the quality of her

life is so worth it to me.

Thanks for updating us and enjoy watching your kitties thrive. I am  
sure it is a great
feeling after the helplessness you felt when loosing those 4 babies  
at the same time.


Jane







On Nov 22, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Alice Flowers wrote:









We just got the results back from the lastest blood tests-They are  
still doing great on the Imulan LTCI. We began them in Sept after  
losing 4 kitties in 5 months (Rosie's brothers). Only one made it  
to a year old. They developed the anemia so quickly and died within  
a week of showing symptoms of slowing down. We were desperate to  
save the last 2 and found references to the Imulan product and  
begged our vet to order it for us. They have had 6 injections so  
far (1st 4 were a week apart, then 2 weeks apart. We are at 4 weeks  
apart now-the next is  Dec 4th-then we go to 6 weeks apart-very  
easy, we give the injections at home to save money) and their HCT  
levels are great-they have s much more energy and race around  
the house-I have never seen them play so much. We didn't want to  
wait until they showed signs of becoming anemic to try it, I hold  
onto hope that maybe, just maybe they can beat this blasted  
disease. But they have always tested positive (4
 tests in the past year) the last test June 3rd at UC Davis. I am  
almost afraid to get them tested again and probably won't for  
awhile. But their HCT levels range from 36-41 and Murphy has gained  
a half pound since Sept-Now up  to 11 lbs 15.5 oz and little Rosie  
is a solid 10 lbs 1 oz-she surprises us because she is so petite- 
her paws look like kitten feet! But then you pick her up and get  
surprised, you expect maybe 5-6 pounds, not 10! Our vets are really  
excited about the product, this is their first experience with it.  
We are still giving the Interferon 1 cc orally 2x a day for good  
measure, since it is  relatively cheap and is also somewhat anti- 
viral. (I'm on the fence with the Interferon...we were giving it to  
the other 4 that died..I think the dose is really low to have much  
effect on the virus when it ramps up)  I am just glad we didn't  
wait to start. Even if we just gain months or even a year or two,  
it will be worth it-losing the 4 siblings
 in such a short time was heartbreaking. Another thing we  
noticed...knock on wood firstthey have not had a sneeze,  
vomited or had the runs since we began the LTCI, even Murphy's bad  
molar is pefectly fine, no gingivitus. We had open prescriptions  
for antibiotics in the past because of the constant infections. We  
are still very anxious over their health, but are beginning to  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Lorrie
It took me a long time to switch my cat (Felv+) to raw. She refused  
any raw

that I first offered her and rejected cat food that had any raw in it.

I have two dogs that I have fed raw to since they were puppies. I  
discovered
that when I was preparing their food my cat would jump up and begin  
eating
whatever I was serving them, including organic buffalo, beef,  
lamb ...not just
chicken and turkey. By letting her eat from their bowls she developed  
a taste
for it and will now eat it from her own bowl. It is not always fool  
proof. For whatever
reason she will sometimes reject raw so I use Petguard (Whole Foods)  
or Wellness

(both wet) as back up.

I am convinced that a "species appropriate" diet is really the way to  
go.
It is not easy but when you realize what the by products used in  
commercial pet food

are, it is very motivating.

Jane


On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote:


Lorrie,
Yes, I think raw is the best also.  If you go to those websites,  
they give
you step-by-step instructions on how to make it. You have to be  
careful to
follow the recommended proportions.  It does take a little time to  
convince
the cats that this is what they should be eating.  One of mine, a  
12 year
old dry food 'addict' took almost 2 months to completely change to  
this
diet.  The others were much easier to convince.  I just mixed it  
with a good
canned food, progressively adding more raw.  They will eventually  
eat it by
itself and love it, you just have to be determined.  Occasionally,  
I do give

some canned food for variety, or when I run out of the raw.  On those
websites, they also explain how to grind it -- you will have to buy a
grinder, and yes, you should use real bones.  Its daunting at first,
but gets easier everytime you make it.

Tracey

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lorrie   
wrote:



I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more
natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add
to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just
sniff it and walk away.  I'd be interested in hearing what your diet
consists of. Are there any particular proportions you use of the
chicken, bones, organ meat, egg, vitamins etc, and can bone meal be
used instead of bones?  I don't know how I'd grind bones.

Lorrie

On 11-15, Tracey Shrout wrote: Anna, I will give you my personal

opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of
which is +.  After many trips to the vet and having many tests for
parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying
fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved
their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the
best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and
organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc).  Lots of people are totally
against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been
eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of
them.  No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is
doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to
dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if
necessary.  Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be
dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their
food -- a canned food.

If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a
grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a
few grain-free dry foods as well.  Most cats merely 'tolerate'
grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat
grains.  Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up.  No, it is not good, but it
is very common.  My cats don't throw up anymore (other than
hairballs) EVER!  I spent tons of time researching making my own
food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't
have any issues at all.  If you want to learn more, check out
catnutrition.com and catinfo.com.  If you follow the recipes to a
"T'', you will be amazed!  Good luck, and I hope they get better!

Tracey



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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

[Jane Lyons]

thanks very much, Gary
I'll call him.

Jane
On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:52 PM, gary wrote:

I don't believe I have seen any side effects listed anywhere and  
the two I
have on it have just gotten their 4th shot with no noticeable side  
effects.
One is just about 11 weeks old and pretty small, the other about 5  
months

and both seem to be doing fine.

I don't really know if it would help with the stomatitis, but you  
can call
the vet that is the company's technical assistance guy for  
Acemannan.  It is

made by VPL and their tech asst. page is
http://www.vpl.com/techinfo.php Dr. Greg Biehle is his name and he  
is very
good about talking to people about it.  I talked to him and my vet  
talked to
him.  My vet said they were very impressed with him.  Ask him about  
the
stomatitis.  I think he only works in the morning and has some days  
he is in

surgery, but he will call you back.

Gary

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Gary are their side effects to the Acemannan?
I have never heard about it from my vets, although they always seem  
the

last to know. My cat is Felv but stable now although she has
stomatitis. Do you think it
might help?
Thanks
Jane



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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update

[Jane Lyons]

Gary are their side effects to the Acemannan?
I have never heard about it from my vets, although they always seem the
last to know. My cat is Felv but stable now although she has  
stomatitis. Do you think it

might help?
Thanks
Jane
On Oct 24, 2009, at 12:54 PM, gary wrote:


Hi Belinda,

Sorry your little kitty is so sick, an HCT of 16% is serious, but  
not yet
critical.  The critical part is how fast it is dropping, 10% and  
under is
critical.  I have had a couple that were so fast nothing could be  
done.


Now the bad news, you missed.  There wouldn't be much wetness from . 
15 cc
and there won't be any if it goes in. The dosage is almost correct  
(probably
close enough) but the actual correct dosage is .16 cc.  If it were  
me, I
would do it again, even if some of it got in, he needs the whole  
dose and a
bit over won't hurt him.  I have had a couple of misses myself and  
there is
just what seems to be a tiny bit of wetness.  If you want to check  
and see
just how little fluid that really is, just use one of the old  
syringes and

take up .15 of water and squirt it on his fur.

I don't want to discourage you, but sometimes Epogen works and  
sometimes it
doesn't.  Also, it takes awhile to get the full benefit of it,  
sometimes as

long as 2 - 3 weeks.

Presently, I am trying Acemannan Immunostimulant on a couple of  
FeLV kittens
and it seems to be working.  The smaller kitten I didn't get a HCT  
on to
start with, he had pale gums and a URI.  The other had an HCT of  
18%, after
3 shots of Acemannan (one a week) his HCT just before his fourth  
shot was
32%.  Both kittens seem to be doing well now.  I wish I had had  
some of this

when I lost a couple of my adult FeLV cats that got really sick.  I've
spoken to the vet who did the trials and he said it brought some of  
the test
cats back from death's door.  Of course, it is not 100% effective,  
works for
some and they lost some.  He said about one third of the calls he  
gets about

it are from vets who want to try it on their own FeLV or FIV cats.

The down side of it is it is a little expensive and only a vet can  
buy it.
My vet charges me $125 for four 10 ml vials and I think that may be  
his cost
or close to it as I was told it was about $175.  The protocol is  
one shot a
week for 6 weeks and then one a month.  It is dosed at 1 mg per kg.  
Fred
would need 3.2 mg, the stuff is 1 mg per ml, so 10 mg per bottle or  
about 3

shots for Fred. The other downside is the first 6 shots are given IP
(through the abdominal wall) so I have the vet do these and even he  
doesn't

like it.  The monthly shots can be given sub-q.

The instructions say once it is mixed you have to use it in 4  
hours, but the
vet who did the trials said you can keep it in the fridge for a  
week or in
the freezer for a month.  The two kittens I have use almost a third  
of a

bottle (it comes in two bottle pairs, one with the powder and one with
saline) and you mix the saline with the powder.  I have them save  
the saline
bottle and after the first sots I have them take half of what is  
left and
put it in the saline bottle and I freeze one and put one in the  
fridge.


Gary

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 Gary,
   I got the 1ml 2000 IU and Fred weighs 7lb 2oz.  I am using a  
insulin

syringe that is 1/2 cc and was told to give Fred .15 or on the 15 line
on the syringe.  Does that sound right to you, his HCT was 16% on
Tuesday, he got his first shot today and his fur felt wet after, not
much but a bit, I hope I didn't miss and he didn't really get it.   
I was
afraid to do more but he is so weak if I did miss I am really  
afraid he

won't make it to Sunday when I give him the next dose.

Any suggestions.



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Re: [Felvtalk] New Here w/Questions

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Ellie
Keep Brie !!

The thought of her being in that stressful situation of travel,  
moving to an unknown
place and being on her own for 20 hour days is unbearable. It would  
be awful for a
healthy cat. Please keep her. I know you will be very happy that you  
did.


Jane
On Oct 13, 2009, at 2:34 AM, Ellie Foster wrote:


Hello,

Im new here, my name is Ellie.

I joined because my "niece" kitty, Brie, is one year old and was  
diagnosed
with FeLV about a month ago with a faint positive result (she is  
supposed to

be retested in 2 months).

My question is - my sibling is planning a move across quite a few  
states
(USA), about 12-14 hours travelling by car, to New York City. Her  
job will
keep her very occupied, literally up to 20 hours a day!! (I couldnt  
do it

lol).

No one knew Brie was + until last month because my sister never  
took her to

the vets after finding her outside, alone, at about 4 weeks old. So, I
finally convinced my sis to let me take Brie in to be spayed,  
vaccinated,

tested - and, that is when we got the diagnosis.

Just wondering, vet said that stress on kitty is *bad* - is this  
type of
fairly long-distance move something that qualifies as stressful?  
(will ask

the vet of course too!)

Has anyone used lysine supplements in an FeLV kitty?

Will my sister encounter any problems in trying to rent an  
apartment with an

FeLV+ cat?

I ask because I can easily give Brie a home; I have no other kitties
(anymore - both of my elderly (16 &19) baby boy cats passed on  
early this
year, one of CRF, the other of a sudden massive stroke, within 2  
months of
each other). And if I can help Brie live a longer, happy life, I  
would be

incredibly glad to do so.

Brie knows my house, my family, has stayed with us up to 3 weeks in  
the past

when my sister has been out of town on business.

And I love the little baby Brie anyway! Just want her to live the  
best life
possible, and am debating offering - again - to let kitty live with  
me.


Thank you so much for your help & info!

Ellie
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Re: [Felvtalk] New to FLV and have a cat that just tested positive...

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Anna
I can identify with your devastation and can understand the fear and
uncertainty around the diagnosis of a best friend. Most of us have  
been there.


The statistics fluctuate, but it has been reported that 80% of cats  
have a natural
immunity to FLV, and if you read the archives on this list you will  
discover that
transmission is not as certain as was once believed although all of  
us living with

FLV kitties know that one time is enough.

My advice would be to research supplements that will boost their  
immune system
and feed them the best diet you can. I think I've been able to bring  
a formally mistreated kitten
(she was thrown from the window of a moving truck onto the porch of a  
100+ cat home/shelter)
back from the brink because she feels so loved and cared for, that  
she is 'not going anywhere'
if she can help it. As we all know, a lot of love and care helps 'a  
body'.


Because she was so highly symptomatic at one time, we are giving her  
an on again off dose of
Interferon, which some people feel is "cruel" because of side  
effects. Our kitten plays and eats
with abandon so I am reluctant to change anything that is keeping her  
well and side effects are impossible

to imagine.

You'll get good advise here. Mine would be to keep their immune  
systems tuned (DMG liquid is one I use)
be careful of stress and just love them. I know I am nuts, but I do  
"bliss therapy" sessions daily. I make sure
that she gets to sit in my lap and purr as loudly as she can for 10  
minute intervals. I've concocted the notion

that the purring is helping her heal and so far, it is working.

You will get over the shock and will discover that they have a lot to  
teach us about 'present time' and that

love never is subject,object.

Welcome to the three of you !
Jane




On Oct 5, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Anna Waltman wrote:


Hi everyone,
I've been lurking around for the last day or two reading your  
posts.  My
darling Sylvia, the first cat I have owned as an adult, just tested  
positive
for FLV on both the in-office and IFA tests.  She's one of my best  
friends
and I'm devastated; she was negative as a kitten and has lived  
inside for
most of her life (as a little baby, she was a stray-- I adopted her  
from the
SPCA at five months, and I know she was there for a while before I  
adopted
her).  She was given a confident all-clear by my former vet to move  
with me
to Massachusetts and live in a multiple-cat household less than  
three months

ago.

Upon moving, it became obvious that Sylvia doesn't like being left  
alone in
the apartment for long periods of time (prior to our move, we lived  
with my
retired parents and their two dogs so she was almost never home  
alone). I
decided to adopt a kitten, Beatrice, a few weeks after we moved in,  
after

Sylvia had gotten comfortable in the apartment.

So when Sylvia started meowing strangely and acting a little  
lethargic, I
assumed it was a kitty flu but took her to the vet anyway, just to  
be safe,
and tested her just to be absolutely sure she was still negative.   
What a
horrible surprise.  She's been living with Bea for a month or two  
now and
they're best friends; they wrestle all the time, share food bowls,  
groom
each other, etc.  I feel sick with guilt about bringing a young  
kitten into
a house with a FLV+ cat, and now chances are I have two positive  
cats to
care for.  Our current vet is wonderful, though, and she feels that  
if we
vaccinate Bea ASAP and keep a close eye on Sylvia (treating her  
problems as
they arise), there's a good chance we can keep both of them healthy  
for a
long time.  She says she has other patients and co-workers with FLV 
+ and
negative cats living in the same household who never pass it to  
each other.
I'm feeding them a mix of Wellness and Innova ENVO and giving the  
kitten

multivitamins to boost her immune system and help her fight off the
exposure.

I'm a young graduate student in an MA/PhD program and I don't have  
a ton of
money.  These kitties had been the most stable thing in my life and  
this
diagnosis is totally eating me up, from the inside out.  I love  
them to
pieces and want to be the best cat-parent I can to my girls (having  
chronic

illnesses myself that significantly increase my risk of certain health
problems, I'm as empathic about this as anyone).  The horrible  
potential of
this disease breaks my heart every time I think about it.  My  
childhood cat

passed away a few months before I got Sylvia, and I can't bear to lose
another one like that (he was very sick for a long time before he  
died, but
we don't know what it was.  Could've been FLV or FIV; he wasn't  
tested every

year, though he was vaccinated.  He was indoor/outdoor and a fighter).

What do you wish you had known when your cat was first diagnosed, if
anything?  If there is any advice people have, I would appreciate  
it, and as
I gain experience caring for my girls I will share what has worked  
and what

hasn't 

Re: [Felvtalk] Whoo Hooo!! CBCs are in-Rosie and Murphy

[Jane Lyons]

That is great news, Alice. It is wonderful that they are improving  
and that their blood work reflects
the playfulness and energy they now have. Being proactive, rather  
than resigned to their slow and
painful demise is real care in my estimation. I am following your  
results with a lot of hope. Great work!


Jane



On Oct 2, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Alice Flowers wrote:

Our vet just called-the blood tests results from this morning are  
back and they are both improving! Rosie's platelets are in the  
normal range too! She said there is a buzz in the office and they  
have been telling their other patients about this product and how  
it appears promising. We will retest in 2 weeks and will be cutting  
down from once weekly injections. This one tonight will only be the  
3rd one. We are following the manufacturer's protocol to be sure it  
is effective. We did not wait for them to "crash" before starting  
the treatments, hoping to get months, not weeks-but it is looking  
better than that, but I am afraid to hope for too much-I am  
grateful for every "healthy" appearing day.

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[Felvtalk] Interferon

[Jane Lyons]

Lorrie wrote:

Thank you for asking people in the group to look into their hearts
to see if these treatments are for the cat or for themselves because
they want to keep the cat alive no matter what it has to endure.

This is an unkind and sanctimonious remark, Lorrie. I hope you are  
kinder

to the cats you "care" for.

Jane

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Re: [Felvtalk] Xana, FelV positive - interferon?

[Jane Lyons]

I've been agonizing about giving MeMe Interferon since I've read  
Michael's post.


I have to honestly say that if she is feeling any side effects they  
are not apparent. We use one day on and one day off
which may be a help. Since she has been on it, her appetite has  
increased dramatically and she has gained 1.5 lbs
which is a lot for a 6 pounder. She seems to have the same level of  
energy and she seems content and craves
attention (which she gets, constantly). She does not have a fever and  
I don't think chills. I would think that if she

were nauseous that her appetite would be affected.

We've managed to bring her back from the brink, and I had thought the  
Interferon (in moderation) was helping her

maintain her gains.

You've caused me to rethink this protocol Michael, although since we  
have gotten her past the three year

hurdle I am reluctant to make changes.

Jane











On Sep 29, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

This is very very low dose - and has to be oral, apparently to hit  
the back of the throat.


I had good luck with it, but when it was withheld, like I said,  
things didn't go well.
My kitties showed no apparent side effects.  But many people have  
and are using

that protocol, someone oughta research it.

Regards

Gloria


On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Second Chance Meows wrote:

my suggestion is to do some research on it.  Interferon is used to  
fight forms of cancer, and is considered to be chemo. side effects  
include:  loss of weight, nausea,hair loss, heart issues, pain,  
chills,temperature, and many others.
I  know your talking about low doses of it but anything that is  
placed into these little bodies that has the power to kill not  
only the bad cells BUT THE GOOD ONES TOO  can not be good for  
them.  their systems are compromised already.
JUST MY OPINION. before you make the decision to give this to  
the cat...look into your own heart and ask is this for the cat..or  
for yourself??   will this really improve the quality of its life  
or just prolong the agony its going thru or create more  
agony,stress for it?


Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
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From: Esther Jorda 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 8:56:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Xana, FelV positive - interferon?

Dear Michael, Congratulations for your old kitty and thanks for your
sanctuary.

Actually vets recommend me to put xana under  low dose of  
interferon (via
oral)  ... they do not agree if human alfa or feline omega some of  
them say

one some of them the other...

*Can you, please, give some advice aboud side effects??*

You can be sure Xana has all my love. The problem is that actually  
she is
not living with me. My home is a sort of urban shelter where live  
24... too
much cats... too much riscs... Xana needs a clean and quite  
environment... A
friend gave me the opportunity,  Xana is living in her appartment.  
She has
to go to work, and so do I...  So, Xana is alone all the day... I  
go as
often as I can... 1-2 times daily... I spend with Xana 2-3 hours  
every
night... unfortunately she can not sleep with me... I must go  
home, when

others need me too...

Speedy (my oldest baby) will be 20 y.o. He is at the end of his  
life... with

CRF, IBD... I want to care him until the end
Best regards,

Esther
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Re: [Felvtalk] eye (pupils) changes and transport

[Jane Lyons]

that sounds like a good plan. Hopefully you'll have figured out  
what's going on with her now and will
have time to get her back on the DMG to give her immune system a  
boost before the trip.


We're thinking of her, keep us posted.
Jane





On Sep 28, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Lance wrote:

Not really sure. I'm hoping for mid-October, though that's getting  
pretty close and I still haven't found a place. We'll see. I'd like  
to move in first, then come back to retrieve Ember after things are  
settled, so she doesn't have to endure the craziness of moving  
stuff in and unpacking.


On Sep 28, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Jane Lyons wrote:

Lance,  we'll keep Ember in our thoughts and prayers. When are you  
moving?


Jane
On Sep 28, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Lance wrote:

Ember had a good vet visit. I wish I could convey everything that  
the vet said. He doesn't know what's causing the situation. We  
decided to send out for a toxo titer, despite the lack of lesions  
when he looked into her eye.


He also gave me some symptoms to watch for if this is actually  
something serious, which include third eyelid showing, lower lid  
drooping, mouth slacking and some drooling, and of course, the  
disparity between the pupils getting worse. Please keep Ember in  
your thoughts and prayers.


Lance

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Re: [Felvtalk] eye (pupils) changes and transport

[Jane Lyons]

Lance,  we'll keep Ember in our thoughts and prayers. When are you  
moving?


Jane
On Sep 28, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Lance wrote:

Ember had a good vet visit. I wish I could convey everything that  
the vet said. He doesn't know what's causing the situation. We  
decided to send out for a toxo titer, despite the lack of lesions  
when he looked into her eye.


He also gave me some symptoms to watch for if this is actually  
something serious, which include third eyelid showing, lower lid  
drooping, mouth slacking and some drooling, and of course, the  
disparity between the pupils getting worse. Please keep Ember in  
your thoughts and prayers.


Lance

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Re: [Felvtalk] eye (pupils) changes and transport

[Jane Lyons]

Lance it is great to hear from you. I realized that you were MIA a  
while ago and was hoping that Ember was ok.
I've not had experience with the pupil anomaly but MC's advise about  
a vet check sounds right since her wbc

was low. She might be fighting an infection.

Also, Laurie's travel advice is right on. Keep her warm and let her  
know that you are right with her. Putting her back on DMG will  
hopefully build up her immunity before the trip.


We'll be thinking of the two of you ...hoping it is a good move and  
not stressful for either of you. Keep us posted!


Jane
On Sep 24, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Lance wrote:


Hello List,

It's been a long time since I've posted anything, and I must admit  
that I haven't been keeping up with posts for quite awhile. Some of  
you may remember that I have an FeLV+ named Ember. She's still with  
me, though I have noticed something different lately, and I have  
another question about transporting her.


In the last week or so, I've noted that Ember's pupils are  
sometimes not the same size. I did a search for anisocoria and  
found nothing in the archives. Has anyone seen this occur in their  
cats? It seems to be similar to how headaches are in people...  
could be just normal stuff all the way up to being a really serious  
issue. The articles seem to indicate that this can happen with  
viral infections like FeLV, but other than low wbc, there aren't  
any symptoms. It doesn't really make sense.


Ember's last CBC had an especially low white blood cell count... I  
think it was 4.2. She's been on interferon ever since testing  
positive in 2006, and while I'd taken her off DMG, she's going back  
on it as soon as I get my shipment.


Also, it looks like I'm going to be moving back to Madison,  
Wisconsin. I'm trying to figure out the best way to get Ember to  
our new home. I'm willing to pay to fly the both of us up (with her  
being in the cabin with me), but I'm wondering if anyone has any  
other ideas or tips they'd be willing to share. I know that  
transport is frequently done by so many of you, which is why I ask  
this here.


My best to all of you and your cats,

Lance

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Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn Update

[Jane Lyons]

No, because she is unwilling to talk to vets who have used it with  
success. She thinks they are either

shilling for the company or are not practicing ethically.
I actually think my vet is gifted and will continue to use her for my  
Scotties.  She has tried a
variety of 'out of the box' remedies for MeMe and I think she feels  
defeated by Felv. I am the one
who is willing to pay for a "wing and a prayer" and I only ask that  
she is open to a remote possibility,

and she is not.
To date, I have brought MeMe back from the brink with her help, and I  
will continue to use Interferon and
the remedies that she has recommended, but I want to have access to  
every bag of tricks, if and when

I need them.
I understand and respect your position, MC.

Jane
On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:33 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

so you're dumping your vet because she's acting in a professional  
manner?


On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Jane Lyons  
 wrote:


This is such great news about Autumn and hopefully good news for  
all of our

kitties. Please keep us updated on her
progress. I want to be able to keep these reports for my vet  
(about to be

former vet) who has been so adamant
about the lack of testing and science and so hostile to the Imulan  
company.


Jane










On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Alice Flowers wrote:

 I am so glad to hear that she is holding her own! I have asked my  
vet if
she would consider trying the Imulan and she agreed. She has set  
up her
account with them last week and hopefully will be able to place  
an order in
the next week. Since rescuing 5 feral kittens last year (Oct 08)  
plus a

bonus FeLV that was tossed into the feral colony, we have lost the 4
brothers in the past 5 months, only one barely made it to a year  
old. We
still have the tabby sister, Rosie and the bonus kitty-Murphy. We  
had
attempted a transfusion with the second one, with not so good  
results-he was
euthanized after having a reaction during the procedure. We quit  
counting
after 6 grand. This has been a long, heartbreaking journey. With  
only the 2
cats left and they are just a tad over a year old, we can't give  
up. Reading
about Autumn has given us hope that there is something out there  
that will
help. We already are giving the Interferon Alpha 2x a day. Rosie  
and Murphy

appear
 healthy, bright and shiny, playful-but so did her brothers until  
they
just crashed fast. Maybe in Rosie's case it may be the female  
gene-her
mother is still alive and feral, we TNR'd he last year and she  
has always

appeared healthy-in fact since her spay, has become filled out and
relaxed-we can even pet her on occaison. I have so much hope that  
the Imulan
will help us-we are going to follow the once a week for a month  
on the

injections and see where how it goes.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn Update

[Jane Lyons]

This is such great news about Autumn and hopefully good news for all  
of our kitties. Please keep us updated on her
progress. I want to be able to keep these reports for my vet (about  
to be former vet) who has been so adamant
about the lack of testing and science and so hostile to the Imulan  
company.


Jane









On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Alice Flowers wrote:

I am so glad to hear that she is holding her own! I have asked my  
vet if she would consider trying the Imulan and she agreed. She has  
set up her account with them last week and hopefully will be able  
to place an order in the next week. Since rescuing 5 feral kittens  
last year (Oct 08) plus a bonus FeLV that was tossed into the feral  
colony, we have lost the 4 brothers in the past 5 months, only one  
barely made it to a year old. We still have the tabby sister, Rosie  
and the bonus kitty-Murphy. We had attempted a transfusion with the  
second one, with not so good results-he was euthanized after having  
a reaction during the procedure. We quit counting after 6 grand.  
This has been a long, heartbreaking journey. With only the 2 cats  
left and they are just a tad over a year old, we can't give up.  
Reading about Autumn has given us hope that there is something out  
there that will help. We already are giving the Interferon Alpha 2x  
a day. Rosie and Murphy appear
 healthy, bright and shiny, playful-but so did her brothers until  
they just crashed fast. Maybe in Rosie's case it may be the female  
gene-her mother is still alive and feral, we TNR'd he last year and  
she has always appeared healthy-in fact since her spay, has become  
filled out and relaxed-we can even pet her on occaison. I have so  
much hope that the Imulan will help us-we are going to follow the  
once a week for a month on the injections and see where how it goes.

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Jane Lyons]

Sally
I hope Jenny sees this post. You might send another post with Jenny/ 
Autumn in the
subject. I also hope that you can get your boy through this scary  
time until your vet opens on Tuesday.


I hope you can get help for him.

Jaane




On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:37 PM, S. Jewell wrote:


Hi, All,



I'm new to this and not exactly sure how it works, but I
desperately need to speak personally to Jenny, who recently
posted about her FeLV kitty Autumn and her improvement with
the transfusion, Ambrotose and the Imulan injection (I
presume that's what it was).  I am treating one of my FeLV
boys right now who is not eating and has been hospitalized
for a few days with low lymphocyte count and mild anemia.
He came home yesterday after being on fluids for his fever
for several days at the vet.  He got his first LTCI
injection yesterday before he came home and he's a bit
feverish again and not eating.  My vet doesn't open again
until Tuesday and I am worried.  I am preparing to buy the
Acemannan, which I presume is a similar product to
Ambrotose, but I would really love to speak with Jenny about
the transfusion process and what Autumn's state was before
the transfusion and how she responded.



I apologize if this is the wrong way to go about this but
again, this is all new to me.  My Lukey boy is my first FeLV
cat to become sick and it came up so suddenly that it has
thrown us for a loop.  We are beyond heart sick and
desperate to help me in any additional ways such as
transfusion, etc.



Thanks.



Sally Jewell

502-363-1002

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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update

[Jane Lyons]

Jenny it is wonderful to hear that Autumn is recovering. I am
praying that TCLI will get her through this. We'll all be waiting for
her progress reports.
I know that many vets are suspicious of treatments outside of
their parameters. My vet was turned off Imulan by their inability to  
give

her data on clinical trials. If Autumn continues to improve and recover
from deaths door, we will all celebrate with you and there will be hope
for all our cats.

Jane







On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:24 AM, jbero tds.net wrote:


Hello everyone,

I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection 
(Imulan).

When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was
starting with respiratory distress and crying out.  Her hematocrit  
was 4%.
She was on her way out.  She got the transfusion - they called me  
about 1/4
of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it.   
She did.
Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving.  I got the  
second
injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday.  Everyday she's  
looking
better.  She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently.   
This may
only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off  
judgement for
now.  I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing  
with.  In

the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein
supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin  
supplements

and intermittently transfer factor.  She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of
the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow  
(jaundice -
secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is  
improving

and her alertness returning.  I will keep you updated.

I pray that there is hope in this injection.  It seems to me that the
science is pretty sound.  Most vets aren't aware of this product  
and have a
lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+.  It is  
reasonable since
their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable  
disease.

Most of us have experienced that first hand.

I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but  
if you
call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet.   
I have

nothing but good experiences with them so far.

We shall see, good luck everyone.

Jenny


On 8/30/09, Alice Flowers  wrote:


After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in  
Sacramento and
she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost  
the 4th
kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early  
this morning
because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5  
kittens in
the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he  
just turned
a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a  
reaction

to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed
out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and  
another
cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral  
colony that
the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try  
this
product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives- 
These 6
have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been  
a good
month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We  
have upped
them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- 
they just
crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or  
years.that's great.
We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears,  
and spent
over 6 grand-and we weren't "cat people" a year ago. How do we  
know it will
work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do  
know is
that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is  
due to
crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE,  
otherwise I should
just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy  
are racing
up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are  
healthy
(appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they  
deserve to

live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy
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Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN

[Jane Lyons]

I've gotten MeMe past the three year hurdle using Interferon alpha,  
DMG and a raw diet. Considering how sick she was

when we got her, every day is a miracle.

Jane



On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

I do that too - try things to see what works, when they sound  
possible and likely.  When they can't breathe, due to mediastinal  
lymphoma, I have the fluid drawn off, and after that it's up for  
grabs - have treated each one differently.  One of them, Mittens, I  
treated that way, and the vet treated him with Vincristine  
(chemotherapy) for a few weeks. He had transfusions too.  He died  
quietly of anemia, most likely.


Course there are different types of FELV that morph into different  
symptoms and problems.


I have one friend who has had hers on oral interferon alpha daily,  
and kitty has made it past 3 years, think is now 5 or 6.


Thanks for your email,

Gloria



On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote:

After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in  
Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it  
because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC  
Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to  
breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi  
is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year  
old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a  
reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to  
die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the  
sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that  
was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was  
positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE  
that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on  
antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month  
and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped
them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- 
they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or  
years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we  
have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't  
"cat people" a year ago. How do we know it will work? We  
don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is  
that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is  
due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE,  
otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a  
day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up  
the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and  
happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer.  
Alice, Rosie and Murphy

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Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN

[Jane Lyons]

I can really understand your desperation, Alice. I really hope the  
Imulan works. We'll be waiting for your

updates and hoping that Rosie and Murphy live a very long life.

Jane
On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote:

After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in  
Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it  
because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC  
Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to  
breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi  
is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old  
this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to  
and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed  
out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and  
another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the  
feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why  
do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong  
Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of  
their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without  
them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped
 them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- 
they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or  
years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have  
cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't "cat  
people" a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if  
we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due  
to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with  
anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should  
just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy  
are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now- 
they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old- 
I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan

[Jane Lyons]

This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on  
this list, that people have come on

to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan.
Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet,  
and then just last week I went back
to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each  
time I have been told, emphatically
that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called  
Imulan twice and each time she has been
turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical  
data.


If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I  
would appreciate the information.


Thanks
Jane






On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
.

promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of
agriculture uses.

LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been
promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but  
when you
have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on  
the open

market priced and promoted as if it were proven.

that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and  
if they
REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be  
doing
major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could  
believe in.
and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they  
have to

pay for the testing involved to see how things are going.

think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical
trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan  
could get

real data.

MC



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Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator

[Jane Lyons]

I appreciate your input Jenny.

I first heard about Imulan when I joined this list, two years ago,  
with a symptomatic Felv
cat. At the time many of the list members were suspicious of the  
company that had recently
purchased Imulan because they had terminated an on going, limited,  
research study.


I was desperate at the time and asked my vet to look into getting  
Imulan for me. She called the
company and was very discouraged by their lack of transparency and  
she discouraged me from
pursuing it. I managed to treat my cat with supplements and  
homeopathy and was able to get her
to a place where her quality of life was good, although I was never  
able to rid her completely of
stomatitis. I started using interferon about 8 months ago and she has  
been able to maintain a fairly
stable (other than flare ups of stomatitis) quality of health. Her  
appetite is good and while she is thin

she has been able to gain and hold a bit of weight.

Like you, I will do anything to help her from 'fading into death' and  
would be very willing to try Imulan

if I can find a vet who knows about it and is willing to help me.

I am really happy to hear that you are giving it a try. I hope it  
helps your kitty and appreciate your

willingness to share your experience with us.

Hoping that your kitty responds to it.

Jane





On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:56 PM, jbero tds.net wrote:


Mary Christine,

I appreciate your skepticism.  I am a pathology resident in human  
medicine
and have no affiliation or connection with imulan.  I am simply a  
cat lover
who has lost two felv+ cats to this disease.  It is devastating.  I  
have
seen them be happy, energetic, wonderful, loving cats and then  
watched them
fade into thin, weak shells of their former selves.  And then I  
have had to

make the heart wrenching decision to put them down.

I am entirely frustrated with the current mentality surrounding Felv 
+ - the
general idea that there are so many cats out there that we should  
just let
these die.  I have never been one who has been able to sit around  
and feel
helpless when the ones I care about fade into death.  I am not by  
any means
saying ltci is the cure all answer to this disease.  I am only  
saying that
as of yet it is the most promising treatment out there.  And if  
there is a
chance I can help this little girl (and in the process countless  
others) I

will do whatever is in my power to do it.

I honestly have no idea if this will work or not and honestly last  
night I
really doubted it.  But she's still fighting and so I'll continue  
to pray
and to fight with her.  If this doesn't work, I will let all of you  
know.  I

just wanted to give you the information I had.

Here's a thought, prior to the discovery of Penicillin countless  
people were

dying from bacterial infections.  Now it is so common place and so
effective, you would be remiss to not use it.  Every new treatment has
skeptics and rightly so, but maybe this could actually help.  If  
so, why not

try it?

And by the way, I did write this on my own, no prompting from  
anyone.  I

just saw a glimmer of hope and wanted to share.

Thanks,

Jenny








On 8/25/09, MaryChristine  wrote:


personally, i will be far more likely to believe anything about  
LCTI when
there is ADEQUATE research done on the product (the preliminary  
research

was
done with a statistically insignificant sample), there are  
independent
findings that confirm the company's claims, and the treatment is  
fully

approved.

incidentally, i've heard that FeLVs are NOT tested with the IFA  
before

treatment to ensure that they truly are positive to start with.

imulan's website uses WIKIPEDIA as its source for FeLV information.

"I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to tell  
you that

this
is currently the best option out there for treating this disease.   
I found
some of the information on it.  There is rapid and profound  
improvement of
anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some cases,  
return to

normal with negative testing for the virus.

I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have to say  
this may

prove to be very helpful.  The long terms studies are still pending.

So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow suppression
(including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - low  
platelets,
neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - low  
lymphocyte

count) and may or may not have the associated infections;  I highly
recommend giving this a try.:

this sounds like an advertisement, not at all what someone would  
actually

write on their own.

MC

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)
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Re: [Felvtalk] end of life decisions

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Laurie
I have been composing a reply to your post for a long time.
It is so difficult to know what the right time is. I think MC's
advise; "a day too early, rather than five minutes too late" is
the best I have ever heard.
I am still wracked with the incredible guilt I felt in treating my 18  
year old
for arthritis when she in fact had a tumor at the base of her spine  
that was
causing her lameness. The end of her life must have been so painful  
and I

still have nightmares about it.
I wish none of us ever had to make these decisions but "a day too soon"
allows a dying cat some dignity, which is what they teach us.

Jane





On Aug 12, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Lorrie wrote:


Hi Sharyl,

I agree completely... I always start treatment on a sick cat.
My CRF cat is hand fed (assist fed, not force fed) every 2 or
three hours all day.  He gets his meds, and I'll try fluids sub Q.
when my vet feels he needs them. So far he is thriving, his coat has
improved, he's gained weight and he is still enjoying life.

What I meant was, I think the time comes when we have to acknowledge
the fact that we can do no more for our cats. Trying to keep them  
alive

when they are obviously dying is not right.  Sorry if I came across
wrong to anyone.  By all means try treatments, but when the end is
near let them go in peace.

Lorrie


On 08-12, Sharyl wrote:


Lorrie, Just a comment about CRF kitties.  My Pequita was dx with
CRF over 3 yrs ago.  She'll be 17 this Oct.  She has been on meds
and daily sub q fluids for most of those 3 yrs.  I assist feed her
several times per day.  She will only eat from a baby spoon.  I do
the meds, feedings and fluids on her terms and she is doing fine.

Often when a kitty crashed they are are very resistant to
treatment.  It is all new and strange for them.  Once the person
develops a treatment schedule things usually go a lot better.  Like
people, cats like to know what is going to happen and when it is
going to happen.

I just don't want people here to think that treating CRF or any
chronic disease should not be attempted.  Each kitty is unique and
will respond to treatment plans differently.  Often members of the
CRF group are in a panic mode and are still dealing with a kitty in
crisis.  You don't know how yours will respond until you try.

Whatever problem our beloved companions have we need to remember to
love them and treasure each day we have together. Sharyl



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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Gloria
I've been using it for  about 6 months and have followed the  
directions given
to me by Franck's Compounding, which is that it has a refrigerator  
life of 30 days

for 60ml.
I have been stretching that by giving it on one day and off the next.
I wish I could help you, but I do know that Island is no longer  
compounding it.


Jane
On May 22, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

I was looking over the Island Pharmacy instructions for Interferon  
alpha.  They say


"Interferon Alpha 2a is available as a human drug under the brand  
name “Roferon-A” (Roche).  The smallest syringe is 3 million units  
per 0.5ml.  To prepare a 30unit/ml oral solution, IPS first dilutes  
the Roferon in 1000ml of sterile saline.  This first dilution is  
reported to be stable indefinitely when frozen.  A second dilution  
reduces the concentration to 30 units per ml.  This second dilution  
should not be frozen, but must be stored in the refrigerator.  IPS  
labels the 30unit/ml dilution with a 90-day expiration date, thus a  
50ml quantity is sufficient for 90 days when using the 7 days on, 7  
days off schedule.  The cost for this quantity is $40.00, plus  
shipping.  "



I'd swear I've read of freezing the second dilution for later use -  
but they're saying it's not stable if you do that. Whatever that  
means.  Any insight into that?


Gloria
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Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES

[Jane Lyons]

Thanks very much Amy. They reopen on Monday and I have put a call  
into them.

Here's hoping.

Thanks again,
Jane
On Apr 24, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Amy Dalgliesh wrote:

I too am new to this disease and discussion site, but unfortunately  
am having to take a crash course for multiple cats that I rescued  
from a dire situation last summer.


I thought I would send this website along.  I don't know what they  
might have to offer, but they do have a compounding section and say  
they can compound discontinued and unavailable drugs.


http://centerpetpharmacy.com/

They responded very quickly to me the one time that I contacted them.

Amy

--- On Fri, 4/24/09, Jane Lyons  wrote:


From: Jane Lyons 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 4:41 PM


thanks so much Laurie

On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Laurieskatz wrote:

I called the hospital pharmacy who sells it to my vet and she said  
they
purchase it from a wholesaler. She either would not or did not  
provide the

name. It took me about 5 people to get to someone who would answer my
question.
I will forward to another friend who gets it from another vet and  
ask her

source.
Laurie


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES

it is the human one that some of us use and I am hoping that  
someone has

a resource other than Franck's .
Thanks Laurie

Jane
On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Laurieskatz wrote:


Is the alpha the expensive interferon or is it the human one that
some of us
use?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES

I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in  
Florida

who died mysteriously
before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death
was a 'supplement' given
mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is
this tragic for the
poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon
Alpha for MeMe.

I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told
that they took over from
Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another
source? My vet
follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate  
any

information on this.
I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial.

Thanks
Jane

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Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES

[Jane Lyons]

thanks so much Laurie

On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Laurieskatz wrote:

I called the hospital pharmacy who sells it to my vet and she said  
they
purchase it from a wholesaler. She either would not or did not  
provide the

name. It took me about 5 people to get to someone who would answer my
question.
I will forward to another friend who gets it from another vet and  
ask her

source.
Laurie


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES

it is the human one that some of us use and I am hoping that  
someone has

a resource other than Franck's .
Thanks Laurie

Jane
On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Laurieskatz wrote:


Is the alpha the expensive interferon or is it the human one that
some of us
use?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES

I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida
who died mysteriously
before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death
was a 'supplement' given
mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is
this tragic for the
poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon
Alpha for MeMe.

I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told
that they took over from
Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another
source? My vet
follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any
information on this.
I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial.

Thanks
Jane

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Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES

[Jane Lyons]

it is the human one that some of us use and I am hoping that someone has
a resource other than Franck's .
Thanks Laurie

Jane
On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Laurieskatz wrote:

Is the alpha the expensive interferon or is it the human one that  
some of us

use?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES

I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida
who died mysteriously
before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death
was a 'supplement' given
mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is
this tragic for the
poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon
Alpha for MeMe.

I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told
that they took over from
Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another
source? My vet
follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any
information on this.
I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial.

Thanks
Jane

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[Felvtalk] YIKES

[Jane Lyons]

I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida  
who died mysteriously
before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death  
was a 'supplement' given
mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is  
this tragic for the
poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon  
Alpha for MeMe.


I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told  
that they took over from
Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another  
source? My vet
follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any  
information on this.

I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial.

Thanks
Jane

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[Felvtalk] why are my messages being held?

[Jane Lyons]

I just sent a post asking for 'life saving' information from the list.
There was another post that was held by the moderator yesterday that
again, had to do with the treatment and well being of a FELV cat.  
Please tell me what is going on.


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Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Karen
I would be interested ( as would everyone on this list) in knowing  
about the success you have had in treating Felv. Are you representing  
or connected in anyway with Immulan ?


Thanks
Jane
On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Karen Griffith wrote:


Judy,

Sorry to hear about your Wilson's test results.  You will receive  
much good advise from the members here.  I am an Animal Scientist/ 
Animal Nutritionist from Ohio State University.  Feel free to call  
me at 740-992-5782.  I have had much success with FELV+ kitties and  
can speak with you personally and fill you in on what I have found  
to be the best protocol / support / treatment options.  (This offer  
also goes to anyone on the list that would like some help.  For  
those wondering about the Immulan, I have one client using it with  
additional treatments with success.  Did not have the luck she had  
hoped for with it alone.)


Looking forward to speaking with you.  The best time to reach me is  
after 9 pm EST.


Karen Griffith

- Original Message - From: "Judy Eaton" 
To: "Feline leukemia" 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:57 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...


This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live  
in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a  
lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many.  
Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who  
is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had  
him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again,  
due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is  
still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was  
pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around.


I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked  
chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks  
good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to  
major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in  
cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable  
experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed  
that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this,  
and I guess I just need some support!


We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are  
very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he  
can be. I know the risks.


Thanks!




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Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Judy
We all know what a heartbreak a Felv diagnosis is, but as all of us  
on this list know, there is always hope.
Have you tried Nutri-cal? Although I have never used it, I have heard  
it described as a highly caloric paste
that is used to help cats maintain weight and also to stimulate their  
appetite.


I have a 3 year old who was diagnosed when we got her when she was  
around a year. She was highly symptomatic
(URI, swollen glands, chronic diarrhea, stomatitis etc) and it took  
several months for her to recover, but she has
and she is living an (almost) normal and active life.  If you can get  
help with his eating issues, there is always hope that
he will recover and begin to feel like a 'normal' kittie.  There is  
always hope and there are people on this list who have

cats who are living far beyond statistics.

Hoping Wilson Combat can recover.

Jane






On Apr 23, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Judy Eaton wrote:

This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live  
in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a  
lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many.  
Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is  
fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him  
neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due  
to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is  
still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was  
pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around.


I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked  
chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks  
good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major  
weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I  
would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences  
with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's  
case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just  
need some support!


We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are  
very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he  
can be. I know the risks.


Thanks!




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Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Kerry
I think that MC and Lance know something about it. If you go to the  
other Felv group, Sheila Smith's
husband is a vet in Austin,Tx and he has been giving it to his Felv  
cats for quite a while. He was available
to talk to vets who were interested in using it. She would be able to  
update you on the results he has had with it.


My vet was turned off by Immulan's website. Apparently the company  
had been sold recently and the original
clinical trials were discontinued and the current owners were not  
forthcoming with information. My vet was
not interested in working with them, and I dropped it because MeMe  
was doing well with Interferon. I wish I had
more information to share, but if you track down Sheila Smith, you  
should get some current information.


Jane
On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Kerry MacKenzie wrote:


Dear all,
Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin?
My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract  
below from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for  
any info on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or  
even IR itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)?
I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even  
unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy.

I've been trying to research on the web with no success.

I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin  
other than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles  
by vets supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas,  
respectively.


>>>Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am  
excited about.  Results have been incredible.  Its a boost to the  
immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their  
diseases. The only issue is cost.  It is a very expensive and  
intensive program.  I am also uncertain about the stress of making  
him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves.  Doctor  
thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of  
that but still excited about the possibilities here.<<<


Any info on Immulin, or  (more up to date) info on IR would be very  
welcome.  Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a  
guy that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on "Jim's  
website". He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never  
seen anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here??


Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts,
Kerry M.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Has anyone here used Vetricine for immune boosting

[Jane Lyons]

I noticed when we were giving MeMe interferon daily that she became  
lethargic
and slept a lot. We are now alternating one day on and one day off  
and I think that is working

very well. I would tend to believe your cat before your vet.

Jane
On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:34 PM, souther...@aol.com wrote:


In a message dated 4/14/2009 5:55:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
gbl...@aristotle.net writes:


 If it were making one
of my cats sick, I'd probably just lower the dose, but that's just a
gut reaction.  Might discuss it with the vet, of course, or research
it a bit.



well, I did.  My vet just insists that it can't be what is causing  
him to
be sick on those days.  He swears it must be a coincidence but it  
happens
EVERY TIME, after about 3 days of interferon.  He says it just  
doesn't make

them sick.

Sidney


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Re: [Felvtalk] Tora maybe got the beginnings of lymphoma

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Amanda
My kittie had very swollen glands when we first got her. It took  
quite awhile for
them to return to normal. I do not remember exactly how long it took,  
but it must
have been several months before they were completely normal. They  
were in her neck

  and were very enlarged (the size of walnuts). She too has stomatitis.


Our vet used antibiotics and we got her on a good diet and used DMG,  
l-lysine, Transfer Factor,
and anything that we could think of to help her immune system. That  
was over two
years ago. She is still thin, and her mouth fluctuates from inflamed  
to almost normal, but
she eats well, is energetic and is living ( as I perceive her) a  
happy, contented life.


It sounds as if you are doing everything you can to help Tora. I  
think that your vet is right
about waiting to neuter him.  That would be a stress that he doesn't  
seem up to.
I hope that you are dealing with an infection and not lymphoma. We  
had no idea what we
were facing and it took time for her to recover. I hope that Tora  
will recover too.


Please keep us posted.
Jane



On Apr 14, 2009, at 7:16 AM, amanda wrote:

Hi all, I went to the vets with tora last week for a check up  
before getting him neutered and his lymp nodes under his jaw were  
still swollen from his FeLV related stomatitis. The vet gave us  
some antibiotics for one week, when we went back yesterday his lymp  
nodes in his neck were a tiny bit better but one lymp node in his  
back left leg is swollen, which wasn't swollen last week!! He  
hasn't got a fever and he hasn't lost any weight, though he's  
always been slim. We suspect it to be the begining of lymphoma, I  
will take him in tomorrow for interferon  injection x 5 days in a  
row, will it help? it did last time when he only had the neck lymp  
nodes swollen. I want to start something natural to help slow down  
the growth. I already am adding CoQ10, DMG, immunoplex to his diet,  
he's been on a raw diet since last December, I also added Mega C  
plus ,My husband is also doing accupunture for him, Is there  
anything else that I can try? what has worked for your kitties?  My  
husband told me to try ginseng, the korean one , which I mixed with  
liquid organic royal jelly and some water, has anyone tried that?  
tora doesn't act sick, he runs around with his siblings and and  
while outside dueing the day in the garden will often catch birds.   
i wanted to get him neutered, but the vet doesn't think it's a good  
time, what shall I do? wait? any advice would be greatly  
appreciated!! hugs and purrs Amanda and the 3 tabby cats and Angel  
Silver chan.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Vaccines

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Lorrie
This is probably a controversial opinion, but if they are indoor cats
I would not vaccinate them.
I read the book 'Vaccinations for Dogs and Cats' by C Diodoti a few
years ago (she is vaccine researcher) and I have become very cautious
and conservative about vaccinations. If you want to understand the
relationship between many veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies
and why overvaccination has become a major health problem, I would
recommend the book.
IMHO
Jane
On Mar 30, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Lorrie wrote:


Oh wow, we're talking big bux here, as I have 14 permanent
cats at home :-(   I just wondered if anyone knew if the vaccine
would hurt my cats if they were positive, but asymptomatic.  I'll
ask my vet tomorrow, but I value the opinions of the people in
this group as much as any vet's opinion.  And besides the vet
stands to make a lot more money by testing each cat, so might
insist or the tests.

Lorrie


On 03-30, Sharyl wrote:


Lorrie, JMO but if they have never been vaccinated I'd have them
tested before getting the vaccine. Sharyl

--- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lorrie  wrote:


From: Lorrie 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: feral_c...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 1:21 PM

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I have several cats who are 5+ years old, and all tested FelV
negative years ago when I adopted them.? However they are inside
- outside cats, and are also exposed to rescued cats I bring home
to be adopted out. These cats also tested neg.? but there is
always that window area where FelV may not show up yet or the
test may be inaccurate

I want to have my home cats vaccinated for FelV just in case.
Please give me some info. on this.. Do I need to retest them
all first, or is it safe to give them the vaccine without testing
them. They all appear to be in excellent health, but if they
should be pos. would the vaccine hurt them??

Thanks for your help,

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Bob to the bridge list

[Jane Lyons]

So sorry that you have lost sweet Bob, Gloria. He was lucky to have  
found you.

May he rest in peace.

Jane








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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B.  
Lane

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:43 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Bob to the bridge list

Bob was a wonderful little gray tabby FELV boy that I took in from  
a couple
here who rescue cats.  He was found at a truck stop on the highway,  
all
alone, last November, and such a sweetie!  But then he tested  
positive for

FELV. The folks who brought him to me were just
devastated, just loved him so much, as I did.They thought he was
not quite a year old, and we were all hoping he'd make it longer.

Bob was fine  - eating heartily, playful - until March.  He became  
lethargic
and the vet said he was severely anemic.  He got a blood  
transfusion, and
was on prednisone, pettinic, etc.  But just couldn't make it back  
from his

sickness.  He died the early morning of March 17, 2009, and with St
Patrick's help went to the Rainbow Bridge where he was greeted by  
all our

other sweet feline kitties.  Sleep soft sweet Bob.

Gentle thoughts to all of you who have lost little ones, it helps  
so much

having others out there.

Gloria

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Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanizing FELV+ cats in shelters

[Jane Lyons]

As I type this, my male Scottie is lying flat on his back (legs  
straight up) in a pool of sunshine.  My Felv+ cat
is sitting on his chest washing her face. It is moments like these  
when I thank god that my vet was conscious and
knew that this sick kitten stood a chance. That was two years ago and  
since then she has lived a blissful existence.
I wish that every positive cat had the chance to live their own path.  
She, too, is a wonderful experience.







The cats in the shelter where I volunteer are not feral.? They are/ 
were someone's pets, at least they appear to have been around  
humans during the time as kittens when they adapt to human  
interaction.? Some were dropped, and some are brought in.? But if  
the cat is FeLV+ the shelter won't take a surrender.? It's the  
strays that are found that are FeLV+ that are euthanized. I am  
hoping to change that thought process, at least delay it a bit.? My  
guy was a stray. I'd NEVER had a cat before.? I ended up keeping my  
guy, who I now can't imagine being without, because I couldn't find  
a no kill shelter who would accept him.? I had a hard time finding  
a place to even board him until I found a cat only vet who now is  
his vet and where I board him when I have to go out of town.?


So my little mission is to try to educate folks on the joys of a  
FeLV+ cat.? Had General tested negative, he wouldn't be living with  
me, and I'd have missed a wonderful experience in my life.


Sidney and the General


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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction

[Jane Lyons]

Thank you Jennifer (and your husband) for the work that you are doing  
and for joining the group. I know that hospice/rescues like
yours are needed in every community in this country. It is wonderful  
that you are able to give love and care
to these special cats.  I am sure you have a unique understanding of  
this virus and how it progresses, living

with so many affected cats.
Are most of the cats in your home symptomatic ? Have you any who are  
dealing with stomatitis? Do you have

a vet who helps you with Felv issues?
I would love to hear more about your rescue and about the 13 kitties  
who are with you now. Thank you again for

the work that you are doing.
Jane





 mem
On Mar 22, 2009, at 12:17 PM, martinj...@verizon.net wrote:

My name is Jennifer Reihart and I run a hospice center/rescue for  
cats with FeLv.  I have been doing it for over 6 years and have  
gotten cats from all over the eastern US.  OH, NY, NJ, PA, NC, and  
even as far as Texas.  We have a huge house, and take in cats from  
different areas, and various backgrounds and give them a place to  
call home.  I am independent, my husband and I do this on our own,  
and out of love for these special cats.  They have free run of the  
home, and get lots of love and attention.  We currently have 13,  
and they all have their own space, however at night our bed is  
covered in cats.


I have gotten several cats from FeLv.org and have given them a  
loving home.  We have had 3 live past 9, most live until 5 or 6, we  
have one that is 7.  We don't do anything special, they get good  
cat food, wet in the morning-dry throughout the day.  But what I  
think is our secret to having them live longer is lots of love.   
they are all used to being petted, kissed, and made over.  Each one  
has it's own special personality, that's what I love about cats, no  
two are the same.


I just wanted to introduce myself to the group.  We have worked a  
little with the Marley fund in NC, but mostly we take cats from  
various rescue groups and individuals who are desperate to find a  
good home for their cats.  We do insist they bring the cat's here  
so that they can see the love and attention we give the cats.  This  
set's their mind at ease, and makes the transition easier.




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Re: [Felvtalk] Talkative Felv Cats

[Jane Lyons]

Sue I Googled "walking jackets for cats" and ordered one of these   
http://www.hdw-inc.com/walkingjackets.htm


I use a retractable dog leash and off we go. In nice weather I hook  
her leash to an outdoor shed and she will spend
hours hiding in tall grass watching the birdbath. I make sure I am  
around because she can get tangled or is vulnerable
to any number of things. The Scotties watch out for her. If she wraps  
herself around something they usually bark.
I wish we could post photos. I have some great ones with MeMe in her  
jacket.


Jane



Jane, your cat sounds like she has a great personality.  I wonder  
if I should try leash training some of mine.  Tweezer is my kitty  
who loves life.  He was kept in a cage for months before I got him,  
and was very underweight and sickly.  Now it is almost as if he  
celebrates every day! When you say that you could write about her  
for hours I completely understand.

Sue



 Jane Lyons  wrote:

That is true for me, Sue. My positive is the most wonderful cat I
have ever known. Not only is she sweet, she
is fearless. She walks on a leash with the dogs and is the leader of
the pack. Often we have to wait while she takes tree
brakes (she can run up and down a tree with the agility of a
squirrel ). I use a retractable leash so that she has some space.
(I could write about her for hours).
I do not know if it has anything to do with her positive status, but
she seems to relish life. When we first got her she was very sick and
she still attempted to play. Now that she is feeling well, she is
relentless. It gives me so much pleasure
to care for herit really has been a privilege.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Talkative Felv Cats

[Jane Lyons]

That is true for me, Sue. My positive is the most wonderful cat I  
have ever known. Not only is she sweet, she
is fearless. She walks on a leash with the dogs and is the leader of  
the pack. Often we have to wait while she takes tree
brakes (she can run up and down a tree with the agility of a  
squirrel ). I use a retractable leash so that she has some space.

(I could write about her for hours).
I do not know if it has anything to do with her positive status, but  
she seems to relish life. When we first got her she was very sick and  
she still attempted to play. Now that she is feeling well, she is  
relentless. It gives me so much pleasure

to care for herit really has been a privilege.

Jane


On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:46 AM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:

There are times that I have wondered if there is something going on  
with FeLV+ cats personalities.  It seems that I have a closer bond  
with my positives then with the other cats.  Also, the FIV/FeLV  
room where I volunteer seems to have the friendliest most loveable  
cats. I suppose that could be because nobody ever adopts them. :(

I have never head of any relationship between FeLV and dementia.
Sue


 Maria Ianiro  wrote:

So I was just wondering if having a very vocal cat is related at all
to feline leukemia.  I've never had a cat as talkative as my Felv+
kitty Bernie. Besids when he is sleeping, eating or looking out the
window... he is making noises. Maybe this is normal, I don't  
know.  In

the back of my mind I was thinking about the dementia that is
sometimes realted with Felv+ cats.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hurts to say no.

[Jane Lyons]

It is so sad Sue. It is especially sad that her owner will not give  
her a chance. Maybe

your vet will find a place for her. Sending some angels your way.

Jane
On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:

My vet just called me about a little kitty with anemia that was  
just diagnosed positive for FeLV.  The owner wants her euthanized.   
My vet thinks it may be a hemobart situation and she could have a  
chance.  He asked me if I would take her and I had to say no.  I  
have two positives and five negatives now and hubby is at his  
limit.  I still feel so sad for this little kitty.
The place where I volunteer is the only place around that takes  
positive cats and I know they are over capacity now.  :(

Sue

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Re: [Felvtalk] My Mickey

[Jane Lyons]

Dear Vicky
What a heartbrake. I went through a hermangio sarcoma tsunami with a  
friend whose Scottie was
diagnosed with it. It is the most dreadful and aggressive cancer and  
I can imagine how stressful

the past 19 weeks have been for you and Mickey.
I know what loosing a beloved cat feels like and I grieve with you.
Jane






On Feb 26, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Viky Digangi wrote:

In October I joined the group requesting information on hemangio  
sarcoma which my felv cat was diagnosed with.  Everything I read  
was bad.  He had the first tumor removed on 10-13-08.  It came back  
this time two tumors and they were removed on 1-6-09. This surgery  
was very, very difficult on him to get over.  Then on 2-13-09 the  
vet discovered it had come back even more rapidly than the first  
time.  x-rays showed nothing in the lungs or spleen but the liver  
was hard to see though not enlarged.  This past Monday he stopped  
eating and drinking and I knew it was time.  The next morning  I  
took my heart disguised as a little 7 pound black and white angel  
to the vet for the final time.  The night before I laid him on the  
bed next to me and he stared into my face purring for hours.  The  
cancer had spread to his liver and I knew I could not stand for him  
be in pain.   Before I took him to the vet I wrapped him in his cat  
blanket and walked him all over the yard so he could see his ducks  
and feel the air on his face.  He loved to be outside.   So from  
start to finish he lived 19 weeks from diagnosis.  This is a  
deadly, aggressive cancer and I hope none of you experience it with  
your babies.   I had my little man for 8 years and 7 months and  
they were worth every minute.




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Re: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Maria
There is a current, non profit research project being conducted by  
Dr. Jean Dodds DVM
and Dr. Ronald Schultz called the Rabies Challenge (Google it). It is  
a seven year project
in which they intend to prove that one rabies vaccination will  
protect an animal for its lifetime.

Rabies is the first vaccine in the project.
It is also their belief that animals are over vaccinated and that the  
economics of veterinary
practices are dependent on yearly (now 3year) vaccination protocols.   
Between pharmaceutical
companies and professional group pressure, many vets choose not to  
change or re-examine

their protocols.
Happy that Bernie is fine.
Jane



On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Maria Ianiro wrote:


Thank you for all of your opinions and advice.

I went ahead with the feline distemper vaccination. Bernie has been
totally fine since  The vet's plan was to do another shot in 1
month and the final shot a month after that.  I think once the kitten
series is done, I may stop.  Bernie is an indoor cat and the frequent
visits to the vet are changing his personality. He is very scared of
strangers and car rides now.  Additionally, every vet visit adds up...
normally it is  1 vet visit fee and the shots... this is 3 vet visit
fees and shots.

My vet also explained to me that Bernie was more likely to have a
reaction to the shot because he is allergic to it rather than from
being felv+.  I'm sure there are many opinions on that subject though.

MaryChristine...you mentioned that research seemed to have stopped for
so long and just recently have begun again.  Are there any non profit
groups out there actively researching this disease?

Thanks

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Re: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat

[Jane Lyons]

Hi
I would think twice about vaccinating a positive kitten. I know that  
the vet that
I use would not vaccinate a positive cat because vaccines can stress  
and assault

a fragile and compromised immune system.

 Can you postpone the appointment and give yourself some
time to do some research and talk to other people for different  
viewpoints?

Does your kitten go outdoors?

There is a really good book on the subject that describes the  
benefits and risks

associated with vaccines.
 http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Guide-Dogs-Cats-Should/dp/1881217345/ 
ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=123


I know this subject is controversial subject, but I think it is worth  
taking the time to educate

yourself on all the possibilities.

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On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Maria Ianiro wrote:


Hi everyone


My kitten Bernie was diagnosed with Felv about 2 months after we  
got him
home from the shelter.  He was on interferon for 45 days, retested,  
and is
still positive.  When we got him from the shelter he did not have  
his second

set of vaccinations yet. He is now 8 months old.

I am taking him to the vet tonight to get the shots.  The vet said  
she would
split up the doses so his body could handle them.  I think I will  
go back in
3 weeks and get the rest.  I am still a little nervous about him  
getting the

shots and becoming sick.

He was symptom free for about 40 days and then he had a bad day  
where he
wouldn't eat.  Otherwise, he has been acting like a normal kitten.  
No more
soft stool, good appetite (besides his bad day), good energy.   
Still give

him interferon once a day.

Has anyone had an experience with the vaccinations? Is there a good  
chance
he could die from the shots?  I know he needs them.. but I am  
nervous about

it.

Also, I decided to keep my non Felv cat (Brady) with Bernie. The  
vet told us
to get Brady re-tested in 3 1/2 months.  He tested negative the  
first time.
My question is, how often should you have your non Felv Cat tested?  
I was

thinking once a year would be ok? Every 3 1/2 months sounds like too
much.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Trudi (was: PCR test reliability)

[Jane Lyons]

That is great news !
I had not heard about Orozyme for stomatitis. How is it giving? Will  
you tell me about it

and how it is working?
Many thanks
Jane
On Feb 16, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Stefania wrote:



I have some good news: my two little ones, Ginny and Babette, are  
negatives and well. Ginny has been vaccinated two times already  
(she is two y.o.) and Babette is only 6 months and we have to wait  
after she recover from her operation to vaccine her.


My dear Trudi is now taking:
- Baytril for any infection
- Orozyme for stomatitis
- Ribes pet (vitamin E)

My vet also gave me Retopix (Aldemidrol) spot on to control  
dermatitis, but when i put it on Trudi, she starts licking herself  
and her hair away and to me it seems worse.

I don't understand!

In these days, after taking Baytril, it seemed a bit better. In the  
places where she had lesions now she has crusts. But with this  
drops she becomes obsessed and bite and licks herself.


Do you have any experience of something similar?


Stefania


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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement

[Jane Lyons]

I would bet on l-lycine. I tried everything that my allopathic vet  
recommended to get rid of a really bad upper
respiratory. I cannot remember the antibiotics she tried but nothing  
worked. Someone on this list
recommended l-lycine and although it took several weeks, it did work.  
I also think that the supplements that
I used worked as well. Since I was not using drugs or pharmaceuticals  
of any kind, I cannot imagine how
MeMe recovered from many severe symptoms if the supplements were not  
improving or supporting her immune

system.
Jane


On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time  
lol).  One study does not the truth make, just becomes an  
invitation for another study. But that's very interesting.


Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L- 
Arginine, so increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is  
supposed to lessen the Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense.   
Seems to work for my cats.


Gloria



On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote:

My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that  
he was

aware of only one
controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes.  He said  
that the

study showed that
L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection  
but that

it had absolutely no
effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks.  Apparently these  
are not

the same results
that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on
continuing outbreaks.

I know that many many people believe that they have seen results  
with its

use in cats however
in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak.



L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective

against
herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny  
eyes) by
suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to  
replicate.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Tonya
Maggie's symptoms sound identical to the ones we were dealing with  
two years ago.
We used so many supplements and remedies that I am not sure what did  
what, but two
years later we have a kittie who seems happy and healthy with the  
exception of her

mouth, which somedays seems irritated and somedays, not.

Here are the things we used:
l-lycine for the viral symptoms (upper respiratory). You can get it  
at a health food store. I used
500mg capsules which I opened and sprinkled into her wet food twice a  
day.


DMG Liquid which is a formula designed to boost her immune system. We  
gave her a dose daily.


Forti-Flora is a probiotic that helped her get rid of diarrhea and  
supposedly is an overall boost

for her immunity.

We also tried to find the best quality cat food that she would  
tolerate. We wound up feeding her

Petguard which is available at Whole Foods.

Since we were able to get rid of her symptoms we are now giving her  
interferon every other day,
hoping to keep her immunity up and enable her to fight off secondary  
infections.


As we've all learned, there isn't a magic pill and every kittie  
reacts differently. I hope Maggie is able
to get rid of her symptoms and continue to enjoy the love and care  
you've given to her.


Jane



On Feb 8, 2009, at 11:01 AM, TANYA NOE wrote:

We adopted our cat Maggie when she was 8 weeks or so old. She was a  
happy healthy kitten until about 6-7 weeks later. She had  
gingivitis and diarrhea and her lymph nodes were the size of large  
grapes. We had he tested ( she was tested before we brought her  
home and she was negative) she tested positive this time on the  
ELISA test. We immediately tested our 12 year old cat Sasha and she  
was negative. 12 weeks later we tested her again and she was still  
positive so we had an IFA test done to see if it had progressed  
into her bone marrow. Sad to say it has, it was a very strong  
positive.

We feed her soft food by pro plan and hard purina kitten chow.
Our cats are strictly indoors.
She lives with Sasha still who thank God is still negative.
Maggie's main symptoms are diarrhea (lots of diarrhea), sneezing,  
vomiting, swollen lymph nodes, painful gums/teeth.
She seems happy and as long as that is the case she will continue  
to have a home here with us no matter how many messes I have to  
clean up a week.
She takes Tylan powder for her diarrhea which seems to help alot.  
Her vet is not that experienced at dealing with FELV positive cats  
so I have been getting alot of ideas from everyone's emails.

Hope this helps
Tanya


--- On Fri, 2/6/09, amanda  wrote:


From: amanda 
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal  
one to better undertsand FeLV.

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 6:01 AM
Hi all, I want to ask you all some questions about your
present and or past FeLV kitties, this is a personal survey
to better understand the illness and how everything effects
it, I would be really grateful if you all could participate!
 AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? WHAT
TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ARE DOING? WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED?
WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, E.G; INDOOR, OUTDOOR/BOTH
? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY
OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? IF SO WHAT? WHAT AGE
IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? So
sorry, but your time in answering would be really
appreciated! thanks so much! hugs and good health to you and
your fur babies, Amanda, Tora and Angel Silver chan.
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Sidney
The General sounds like a fabulous cat. It is great that he persisted.
Are you using l-lycine as a supplement? I was able to get rid of a  
really
bad upper respiratory with it. I buy it in capsule form and mix the  
powder
into cats food and my cat, who could be a forensic pathologist when  
it comes to
detecting supplements, does not know it is there. I make sure she  
gets 500mg

daily and although it takes time, it usually works.

I also use interferon, but give it on and off each day, rather than  
weeks. I wonder

if that would make a difference.

There is a study underway (Dr. Jean Dodds ..Rabies Challenge) to  
prove that we over vaccinate
our animals and that one rabies shot should protect an animal for its  
lifetime. You can Google
the 'rabies challenge' and read about the study and the vets who are  
involved. A rabies shot
can be stressful for a healthy animal. I would think twice about  
vaccinating an Felv kittie.


Hope your General continues to thrive.

Jane



On Feb 7, 2009, at 9:17 AM, souther...@aol.com wrote:





AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? WHAT TREATMENTS DID  
YOU DO/ARE
DOING? WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED? WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD,  
E.G; INDOOR,
OUTDOOR/BOTH ? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE  
ANY OTHER
ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? IF SO WHAT? WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT  
NOW? OR WHEN

THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DIE OF?

My big boy, General Sterling Price, came to me.  I have never owned  
a cat in my life.  I was working in my flowers in April 2007 when  
this big black tuxedo cat came and CLIMBED ON MY BACK.  I was not  
happy.  I tried to shoo him away.  He was having none of it.  He  
was like a bag of bones.  And he cried so pitifully that I went and  
got him a bowl of milk (I didn't know cats weren't supposed to have  
milk any more than dogs are!)  He drank it down so I got him  
another, which he drank down.  The next day he was still out  
there.  So I brought him dog food out (it's all I had) and he ate  
the entire bowl.  So the next day, when he was still there, I  
bought him a sack of some sort of cat food at the grocery.  He ate  
it of course.  After 3 weeks of doing this I decided that if he was  
gonna hang around, then he was gonna be neutered.  So I took him to  
the vet.  He did the required blood tests and said this cat is FeLV 
+.  You might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die  
anyway.  By then I had developed an attachment to him, so I changed  
vets. (I now take him to the Nashville Cat Clinic)  This boy went  
from living outside to living in the garage to now living in the  
house and sleeping in the bed with the Mini Schnauzer who hates him  
and my husband and me.  He has some really strange eating habits  
these days.  He won't eat any one food for long.  My vet wants him  
on grain free canned but he's not willing to eat that right now.   
He is now eating Evo dry and Halo dry.  He'll eat one for 2-3 days  
and then he won't eat it and I'll change.  The only problem I have  
is that I can no longer get him to take his supplements.  He's on  
an immune system supplement that is a tablet I used to mix with the  
wet food.  Now he won't eat it if I do.  I've tried even mixing it  
in tuna and he won't eat it.  So I'm in a little bit of a state  
over this.  he is also on interferon 7 days on and 7 days off.   
I've also had some problems with this lately as he seems to throw  
up on the days that I give him interferon.   He's had a kidney  
infection he's overcome.  he has had pancreatitis that he's  
overcome, and he's had some fairly chronic upper respiratory  
infections.  We think he's probably about 4-7 years old.  He came  
to me when he was between 2-5 we think.  I think he was dumped  
because he has such a love of humans.  He's a big (15 lbs now)  
lapcat.  He loves to be petted.  He loves to be around people.  He  
follows me every step I take, if the dog will let him.  His only  
stress is the Mini Schnauzer who is 12 and has epilepsy :-)  She  
hates him.  He just tries to stay out of her way. (She sleeps on  
the bed at the foot and he sleeps up at the head, by my head!)   
Every time he sneezes I worry.  But he's hanging in there so far,  
and as far as I can tell he is prospering.  He has had rabies  
vaccine and calici virus in the past but I don't know if we'll do  
rabies this year since he isn't outside now.  I'll have to talk to  
my vet about that and the calici too.


Sidney and the General


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From: amanda 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 6:01 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal  
one to better undertsand FeLV.




Hi all, I want to ask you all some questions about your present and  
or past FeLV
kitties, this is a personal survey to better understand the illness  
and how
everything effects it, I would be really grateful if you all could  
participate!
AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME Fe

Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Pat
This is our story.
We adopted MeMe as a one year old from a pretty horrible hoarding  
situation.
She was pretty sick at the time ...very bad URI, diarrhea, swollen  
glands, stomatitis etc.
Although the 'shelter' told us she was negative for Felv, our vet  
suspected she was positive

as she was unable to recover from her symptoms.

She tested positive on both tests and when I recovered from the shock  
of this dreaded disease
I joined this list and with the help of some really wonderful people  
began to search for a way to
help her. My homeopathic vet came up with a remedy that was being  
used to treat HIV/Aids victims in
Africa with some success (thullium met). Along with the homeopathic  
remedy we began supplements
and weaned her off commercial cat food to a better quality and  
sometimes raw food. It took a while, but over a
period of time she recovered  with the exception of her mouth which  
is sometimes sore.
She is now three years old and seems very happy and 'healthy'. We now  
give her selected supplements and interferon

every other day.
She is a wonderful, loving and very 'gifted' cat. Every day that she  
is with us is a gift.

If you have any questions, please ask

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Re: [Felvtalk] testing the list

[Jane Lyons]

We're here. This is MeMe's second year with us and she is
doing remarkably well considering the shape she was in
when we got her. Paws crossed for all of us.

Jane
On Feb 3, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Alice Hanson wrote:


I'm here too. Sophie and Miss Clara are healthy and happy.
alice
  - Original Message -
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  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] testing the list


  I'm still here and very grateful to have the two wonderful  
kittens my

  Dixie (FeLV+ who left this world June 12, 2008) sent me to occupy my
  time and heart.
  On Feb 3, 2009, at 2:48 PM, James G Wilson wrote:


Hey all,

Just testing the list since there's been no activity since
Saturday. Here's hoping that everyone is doing well.
Best wishes to all.

James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: My Mother went to the Rainbow Bridge

[Jane Lyons]

Dear Terrie
I am so sorry for your loss. Your mother sounds like a wonderful person.
Our thoughts and prayers are with you. Please take care of yourself.

Jane
On Jan 29, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Chris wrote:


Im so sorry for your loss.

Chris
ti...@mindspring.com

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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:50 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: My Mother went to the Rainbow Bridge


Hello  everyone,
I'm letting everyone know this is part of my grieving and makes me  
feel

little better.
To let you know the situation if I don't respond right away to prior
emails.
Another email was sent to all the rescues groups of the same wording.

Many of you have ask about my mother and sent many prayers by  
emails, phone


calls, also in person to my mother and myself.
With  great sadness in my heart today my mother passed away this  
morning.

As she wished she wants to be cremated and be buried with my father.
I spent many hours with her the last few days only home long enough  
to feed


and do litter boxes.

She was an  avid animal lover especially when it came to cats and  
kittens.

She was a  reputable breeder from the 60's to early 80's.
Her breed was  Siamese and Persian cats.
In the last  20 years she chose to take homeless and rescue kitties  
into her


home.
They were  given very much needed love and care.
When she  would come to visit me as she was in a convalescent home  
during

the
last year  she would get her kitty fixes by coming to my home.
She would  call all of the rescue cats and kittens to her along  
with my
personal kitties.  So she could be around them all and give them  
plenty of

love.
She took such  pleasure in this. She would spoil them greatly.
Even feeding them such as turkey, chicken, and beef when she could  
get away


with it.

Her services  will be at a later date.
I will let  you all know.
My brother is  putting article in the local newspaper about her  
within the

next day or  two.

Thanks again  for all your support in the past and present  
regarding my

mother!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon use?

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Sidney
I have MeMe on interferon (we alternate days) and we have not had any  
stomach problems.
Maybe you should hold off until you get General's stomach issues  
resolved.

I hope your vet can help him recover quickly. Please keep us posted.

Jane




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> When I first took General to the vet I use now, the vet started him on
> interferon, liquid, 7 days on and 7 days off.  I did that for a  
> long time but since
> he's been having all these tummy problems, it seems that when I  
> give it to him
> now he vomits that day.
>
> Are you folks on interferon?  have you had any issues with it?
>
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[Felvtalk] research information on FIP from Hideyo

[Jane Lyons]

>
>
>
> Hideyo,
>
> Here is an update from the meeting with Dr. Niels Pedersen.
>
> I wonder if we could share this with the FelV group? I suggested  
> this to Carol and she thinks that would be a great idea. Are you  
> still member of the FelV group? If not I can ask Caroline Kaufmann  
> to crosspost updates on the SockFIP project.
>
> Love and hugs,
> Marleen
>
> To: fipcatsupp...@yahoogroups.com
> From: carolm...@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:01:20 +
> Subject: [FIPCatSupport] Coffee with Dr. Niels Pedersen Update
>
>
> Hello all,
> I attended the Coffee with Dr. Pedersen event last Tuesday
> at UC Davis.
> It was great to see the room almost full,with some new
> faces. The meeting was video taped and will be availabe
> to order on the SOCK FIP website soon. If you haven't
> visited yet, the web site is: http://www.SOCKFIP.org.
> Dr. P talked for about an hour about the research and the
> need to raise funds to accomplish this. SOCK FIP's efforts
> are gaining recognition, and I have personally delivered
> information to vets all around the San Francisco Bay Area.
> The initial genetics study will focus on two breeds, not
> because they experience FIP more often, but chosen because
> the size of the breed pools are manageable, not too large of a
> gene pool. (Birman and Burmese are the two breeds) Dr.Pedersen
> explained the research and milestones: The feline genome
> has now been sequenced twice, and needs to be done a few
> more times, then the pieces need to be put together ACCURATELY.
> The genome sequencing compliments the genetics research Dr. P has
> embarked upon. The completed study involved several families
> of cats, that experienced multiple FIP deaths in the colony,
> however, some were spared. Some cats were resistant, while others
> were susceptible. The first study has shown promising genetic
> markers, and with further research the goal is to unveil the
> mechanism that allows the corona virus to mutate to the deadly FIP
> form. This second phase of the genetics research involves a sizeable
> investment in technology from companies (such as Affymetrix). Dr.
> Pedersen's team will be collecting DNA swabs and blood samples for
> the data bank for the study to determine what genetic differences
> make a cat FIP resistant or susceptible. "Arrays" must be chosen,
> developed and purchased to collect and store the data for the
> project.
> Back in the 60's and 70's some of you may remember the
> FELV epidemic. ONE THIRD of all sick cats presented to
> veterinarians were infected, many cats died or were immediately
> euthanized.
> The original SOCK group was formed to raise funds for Dr. P's
> FELV research and he was successful in sending that disease back
> to nature. Now, thanks to Dr. P and the many individuals who
> donated to SOCK - mostly small donations from people like you and
> me, many hundreds of thousands of dollars were raised and DR P's
> FELV research was successful in developing vaccines and therapies
> to control FELV. We no longer fear FELV. It is SOCK FIP's mission
> to do the same with FIP. Government funding is not available to
> companion animal health research, and is 90% supported by animal
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> A matching donor has offered to match all FIP donations up to
> $10,000 that expires at year end 2008. Sadly, SOCK FIP hasn't
> raised much more than half that figure, and time is running out!
> Our timely donations NOW will count for DOUBLE! The initial
> technology investment will be a minimum $75,000, which seems like
> a daunting figure.
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Re: [Felvtalk] B. B. died - please add to the Candlelight service (do we still have one?)

[Jane Lyons]

Thank you for loving and caring for him, Gloria. May sweet B.B. rest  
in peace.
>
> Jane
>
>
> 
> From: Gloria B. Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:16:05 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] B. B. died - please add to the Candlelight  
> service (do we still have one?)
>
> One of my FELV kitties, B.B., died in the early morning of Dec 2,
> 2008, and I'd love to have him added to the Bridge list.  He was a
> double positive (FELV+, FIV+), had been found at a local dump in the
> Little Rock vicinity, and taken in to our rescue.  I've fostered him
> since October 2006, and he's been such a sweet, loving cat.  But he
> developed a tail infection a while back, and we've been dealing with
> that ever since.  He alway ate like a horse, till the last couple of
> days.
>
> He never could gain weight or pull out of the illness, he may have had
> other things going on, I'm not sure.
>
> B.B., who I think stands for Beautiful Boy, crossed over to the Bridge
> early yesterday morning, Tuesday December 2, 2008. He was a sweet boy.
>
> Gloria
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Re: [Felvtalk] Donations

[Jane Lyons]

One thought Sue..the person who runs this list (James) has financed  
it pretty much on his own for
several years. When he had difficulty with the servers and was able  
to get things back on line he mentioned
that he would appreciate some help from the group. I think the help  
we all get from this list is invaluable
and a contribution to help maintain it into the future would be a  
gift to all kitties who are helped from
the collective wisdom here.

I do not know how to reach him, but someone will. Just a thought.

Jane







On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:53 AM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is a group that researches a cure for  
> feline leukemia that is deserving of donations?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Weight loss with no other symptoms

[Jane Lyons]

Amy have their been any changes in his mouth?
Leukemia kitties often have inflamed gums which can affect the amount  
of food they eat. Have his eating
patterns changed?

I have not heard of weight loss, without any other symptoms being a  
warning sign.

Jane





On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Amy wrote:

> I have an approximately 6-year-old cat that has been positive for  
> leukemia since I took him in several years ago.  Over the past  
> couple years he has gradually been losing weight.  My population (5  
> leuk pos cats) has remained stable over this time and no new cats  
> have been introduced.  I took him to the vet today and he is down 2  
> pounds from last year (currently weighs 11.8 lbs).  The vet said he  
> is not skinny and would now be considered ideal body weight but she  
> was a bit concerned about the weight loss.
>
> We did a full blood work-up as we do every year and everything  
> looks fine.  She also tested for thyroid problems since his pulse  
> was a bit fast and we wanted to rule it out.  She said his tummy  
> feels fine and she sees nothing to be concerned about at this  
> time.  This is good news but I'm still worried about the weight  
> loss as none of my cats tend to be on the small size.  Has anybody  
> seen this sort of weight loss in cats with leukemia or do people  
> think that this is a sign that he is starting to go downhill?   
> Thoughts?
>
> Amy
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] High Fever
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 2:04 PM
>> Yes, Isabella had a high fever when we first rescued her. As
>> I recall, we
>> used antibiotics. I couldn't find my notes quicklyI
>> do know her fever
>> finally came down. Eventually she was on maintenance
>> prednisilone and a pain
>> killer. And now she is only on interferon and has gone from
>> 8-12 lbs. She
>> looks and feels great!
>> Good luck and if I find more on Bella's treatment, I
>> will forward it.
>> Laurie
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> Christy Buchin
>> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:53 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] High Fever
>>
>>
>> My cat Gray Kitty, was diagnosed with FeLV on his first
>> birthday, 9/6/08.
>> He and his two brothers were born in our home to a stray we
>> took into our
>> home.  She had tested negative for the virus.  His two
>> brothers have also
>> continue to  test negative for the virus.  His two brothers
>> are also type A
>> blood and he is the only one that is type B.  He has had 1
>> transfusion, due
>> to his anemic condition.  Since then, the virus has gone to
>> his bone marrow.
>> He receives weekly injections of the Imulan LTCI and is on
>> holistic
>> medication as well.  Since diagnosed, he continues to run a
>> fever between
>> 103 and 105.  Antibiotics do not seem to relieve this
>> either.  We know each
>> day is precious that we have with him.  Does anyone else
>> battle with the
>> high fevers too?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz is gone

[Jane Lyons]

>>

I am so sorry Sue. Buzz was so lucky to have found you. He knew he  
was loved and cared for. You are both
so lucky to have connected and that bond is eternal.

I know how much you miss him. Please take care.
Jane















>> Today I had to have my sweet little kitty Buzz PTS.  I feel like a  
>> very
>> large piece of me is missing.
>>
>> The first time I saw Buzz I fell in love with him.  He was terrified,
>> cowering between two up-ended mattresses in an unused bedroom at my
>> brothers' house.  He had been abused by neighborhood boys in an  
>> urban area
>> where my brother used to live.  When my sister in law, Lee,  
>> rescued him he
>> was very sick, full of parasites, starving and near death.  She  
>> and my
>> brother nursed him back to physical health but he was still  
>> terrified of
>> people. They named him Buzz Saw because of the way his claws flew  
>> whenever
>> anyon
>> e got near him.  That day Lee caught him in a blanket and handed  
>> him to
>> me.  I sat with him and gently pet him and talked to him.  Within  
>> about 20
>> minutes he was purring. Before we left that day he reached up to  
>> me and
>> touched noses.
>>
>> After about a week I talked my husband into keeping him.  When I  
>> brought
>> him home I put him into our study so he had a smaller space to get  
>> used
>> to, and to keep him separate from the other cats. When I took him  
>> to the
>> vet a few days later his feline leukemia test came back positive.   
>> Buzz
>> was going to live in the study for quite a while so I filled it  
>> with cat
>> toys and a cat tree and pretty much spoiled him as much as much as I
>> could. Every evening I would spend hours with him.  I was working  
>> on a
>> computer
>> project and he kept me company with that. That is how it was from  
>> January
>> of '07 to April.  At that point it was clear that keeping him  
>> separate was
>> not working.  We vaccinated the other cats for feline leukemia and
>> released Buzzy into the rest of the house.  He loved his new  
>> freedom and
>> became every ones quiet little shadow. He loved to watch what was  
>> going
>> on.  His favorite place was a window bench that looks out on the bird
>> feeder.  At night he either slept on a ledge right behind my head or
>> cuddled up n
>> ext to me, purring.  When July came I noticed that he seemed to  
>> have no
>> energy and was not eating.  When we took him to the vet the  
>> diagnosis was
>> anemia.  With heavy doses of prednesolone his health and red blood  
>> count
>> began to come back.  I was so happy watching my sweet boy gaining  
>> back his
>> energy and appetite.  While he was recuperating I would take him  
>> out to
>> sit on the deck on my lap.  He loved sniffing the outdoor smells and
>> feeling the warm sunshine on his fur.  He would sit and purr out  
>> there for
>> as
>> long as I could sit and hold him.  In the evenings Buzzy loved to  
>> chase
>> DaBird and the laser pointer.  His blood was being tested every  
>> couple of
>> weeks and soon it was in the normal range.  We began to back off  
>> on the
>> prednesolone.  For several weeks everything was going well until  
>> the week
>> that his blood count started going the wrong direction.  I prayed  
>> that it
>> was just the one time but unfortunately not.  That horrible  
>> disease was in
>> his bone marrow and the medication was no longer helping.  For the  
>> las
>> t several weeks I watched as he became more and more lethargic.  We
>> offered him every special treat we could think of to keep him  
>> eating and
>> he would nibble on those tidbits almost to the end.  He would sit  
>> all day
>> on his window seat and for the last week we carried him to the  
>> litter box.
>> He always watched every move I made as I moved around the kitchen.  
>> Today
>> when he just put his head down in exhaustion instead of watching,  
>> I knew
>> it was time to say goodbye to my darling boy. When I took him to  
>> the vet I
>> told him how much I have loved him and asked him to meet me at the  
>> bridge.
>> Then he went to sleep in my arms.  I will miss him so very much,  
>> but now
>> he is in a place where there is no feline leukemia.
>>
>> Sue
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Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Lisa
Forti-Flora will be fine for a kitten. I used it successfully with mine.
I am rushing out and will write more later.

Jane
On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Lisa Borden wrote:

>
>  I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago, I took in a 3
> month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten and I've fallen in
> love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his vaccines, and
> we ran an FeLV/FIV "snap" test. It came back positive for FeLV. We
> sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await those results.
>
>   I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and one is 2
> (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV. My male in
> particular has become close with the kitten. it proved to be
> impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and cried ... and
> escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to supervise them,
> make sure they don't fight, keep a clean litterbox, etc. and I just
> let him back out with my other cats. From the couple of posts I have
> read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so adament about
> keeping the baby isolated.
>
>   He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at probiotics. Can
> something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a compromised
> immune system? I understand I would be giving him "good" bacteria to
> balance things out. He was negative for worms.
>
>   Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the group, regardless
> of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a LOVE ... and he
> isn't going anywhere!
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] How is Buzz?

[Jane Lyons]

I'm so sorry Sue, for you and Buzz. I know how stressful
this is for both of you.
I remember Hideyo saying that often it seems like they will
never respond and sometimes they turn around when all hope is gone.
I'll pray this happens for Buzz.

This disease really is the worst because it strikes the really good guys
(and girls).
We're pulling for Buzz.

Jane



On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:

> Hi Jane,  Buzz is not doing well at all.  Today I received the news  
> that his
> red blood cells have dropped from 22% last week to 18% Saturday.   
> He is on
> Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Leukeran but his blood cells are no  
> longer
> responding.  I don't like the idea of putting him through blood  
> transfusions
> just to buy him a short amount of time.  At this point I am just  
> trying to
> make him as comfortable as possible and wait...  God I HATE this  
> disease!!!
> Anyway, thanks for asking about him.  I'm sorry it isn't better news.
> Sue
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:27 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] How is Buzz?
>
>
> Hi Sue
> How is Buzz doing?
>
> Jane
> On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:
>
>> Chris, I am so sorry to hear about your little Romeo.  Thank you
>> for sharing
>> his story.  Of all the cats it so often seems like the FeLV+ ones
>> are the
>> most special of all.
>> Sue
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:37 PM
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone
>>
>>
>> It is with a very heavy heart that I tell you that I lost my Romeo
>> today to
>> lymphoma.  I write not out of grief but to encourage all the
>> newbies who
>> wonder whether they can hang on with a FELV positive, whether they
>> know
>> enough to take care of them, whether they should mix, etc.  And the
>> resounding answer is YES YES YES.  My Romeo was a throw away stray
>> that I
>> first met 7+ years ago when I helped someone out feeding a little
>> colony
>> near me.  He was already an adult (3-4 years old) who would come
>> running
>> across the field when I'd whistle and meow the whole way so I
>> wouldn't miss
>> him.  He would get underfoot, get bullied by the other cats, bury
>> everybody's food, and just rub up against my leg for some loving.
>> I knew
>> someone had been unkind to him cause if I raised my hand, he'd
>> scamper away,
>> just out of reach, cowering.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fast forward two years and we had one of the coldest NY winters
>> we've had in
>> a long time.  One weekend, we were expecting zero degree temps and
>> a major
>> snowstorm.  Romeo was the last of the colony and I knew I had to
>> bring him
>> in.  I even had an adoptive home ready-but he turned out to be
>> positive and
>> they couldn't handle it.  Soo, he stayed in my room for a few
>> weeks,
>> watching my every move, figuring out the TV and the vacuum cleaner
>> weren't
>> that bad.  Slowly, he started coming out of his crate at night  
>> when he
>> thought I was asleep.  Little baby steps-first the food dish got
>> moved next
>> to his crate.  Then the litter box in the bathroom.  And slowly,
>> he'd come
>> out during the day.  I knew we won the battle when I peeked out
>> over my
>> monitor to spot him on my bed.  You could see it in his face-this is
>> niiice and from that point on, he was totally
>> comfortable being in and around we humans.  Funny thing is that he
>> never
>> really wanted to get out-he rarely sat at the window-the couch and
>> the bed
>> were always much more comfortable for him!
>>
>>
>>
>> Over these last 4 ½ years, Romeo turned into the most loving cat
>> you'd ever
>> want to meet.  Only thing I could never do was pick him up or
>> restrain him
>> in any way---he was just too scared.  But he'd jump up on me, lie
>> on my
>> chest as I was trying to get to sleep, follow me around like a
>> puppy dog and
>> otherwise just kept thanking all the humans he met for being safe
>> and warm
>> and loved.  My other cats were a bit leary of him and Tucson never
>> did take
>> much of a liking to him-all jealousy, I'm sure.  But Romeo
>> persevered and
>> the two of them had come to terms with each other...
>>

[Felvtalk] How is Buzz?

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Sue
How is Buzz doing?

Jane
On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:

> Chris, I am so sorry to hear about your little Romeo.  Thank you  
> for sharing
> his story.  Of all the cats it so often seems like the FeLV+ ones  
> are the
> most special of all.
> Sue
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:37 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone
>
>
> It is with a very heavy heart that I tell you that I lost my Romeo  
> today to
> lymphoma.  I write not out of grief but to encourage all the  
> newbies who
> wonder whether they can hang on with a FELV positive, whether they  
> know
> enough to take care of them, whether they should mix, etc.  And the
> resounding answer is YES YES YES.  My Romeo was a throw away stray  
> that I
> first met 7+ years ago when I helped someone out feeding a little  
> colony
> near me.  He was already an adult (3-4 years old) who would come  
> running
> across the field when I'd whistle and meow the whole way so I  
> wouldn't miss
> him.  He would get underfoot, get bullied by the other cats, bury
> everybody's food, and just rub up against my leg for some loving.   
> I knew
> someone had been unkind to him cause if I raised my hand, he'd  
> scamper away,
> just out of reach, cowering.
>
>
>
> Fast forward two years and we had one of the coldest NY winters  
> we've had in
> a long time.  One weekend, we were expecting zero degree temps and  
> a major
> snowstorm.  Romeo was the last of the colony and I knew I had to  
> bring him
> in.  I even had an adoptive home ready-but he turned out to be  
> positive and
> they couldn't handle it.  Soo, he stayed in my room for a few  
> weeks,
> watching my every move, figuring out the TV and the vacuum cleaner  
> weren't
> that bad.  Slowly, he started coming out of his crate at night when he
> thought I was asleep.  Little baby steps-first the food dish got  
> moved next
> to his crate.  Then the litter box in the bathroom.  And slowly,  
> he'd come
> out during the day.  I knew we won the battle when I peeked out  
> over my
> monitor to spot him on my bed.  You could see it in his face-this is
> niiice and from that point on, he was totally
> comfortable being in and around we humans.  Funny thing is that he  
> never
> really wanted to get out-he rarely sat at the window-the couch and  
> the bed
> were always much more comfortable for him!
>
>
>
> Over these last 4 ½ years, Romeo turned into the most loving cat  
> you'd ever
> want to meet.  Only thing I could never do was pick him up or  
> restrain him
> in any way---he was just too scared.  But he'd jump up on me, lie  
> on my
> chest as I was trying to get to sleep, follow me around like a  
> puppy dog and
> otherwise just kept thanking all the humans he met for being safe  
> and warm
> and loved.  My other cats were a bit leary of him and Tucson never  
> did take
> much of a liking to him-all jealousy, I'm sure.  But Romeo  
> persevered and
> the two of them had come to terms with each other...
>
>
>
> His final illness took him quickly.  He'd never been real sick  
> before-had
> some gum and teeth problems a couple of times, but that was it.   
> Going to
> the vet was a major trauma for him so I'd always worked with my  
> wonderful
> vet to keep those visits to a bare minimum.  But today was one of  
> those days
> that I knew he had to get to the vet asap.  He'd been feeling  
> poorly during
> the week and over the weekend, he started breathing very hard-like he
> couldn't catch his breath.  He'd been on antibiotics for what I  
> thought was
> another gum problem but when we got to the vet, I knew it was a  
> whole lot
> more.  My vet sent me immediately to our local specialty hospital  
> and they
> confirmed the lymphoma.  He had a large mass in his chest, his  
> lungs had
> filled up with fluid, and I knew that emotionally and physically,  
> he could
> never withstand an aggressive course of treatment that in all  
> likelihood
> would only give him a short extension of his life.  So, I made that  
> decision
> we all dread after I looked in his eyes and knew he was telling me  
> it was
> time.  I stroked him to the end and told him I loved him.
>
>
>
> And do I regret taking him in-ABSOLUTELY NOT.  He gave me so many  
> wonderful
> memories and he will always be in my heart.  And did he regret coming
> inside-ABSOLUTELY NOT-he had almost 5 years of a wonderful life and  
> I know
> that had he stayed out, he would have died a miserable death from  
> the cold
> and hunger or an infection and he would have been alone.  We can't  
> save them
> forever-but we can give them some wonderful time and we can all  
> learn so
> very much about life from these little guys.
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone....

[Jane Lyons]

I am so sorry Chris but so happy that Romeo knew what it meant to be  
loved and cared for.
Thank you for his story and for loving and caring for him.

Jane




On Nov 10, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:

> Chris, thank you for telling us Romeo's story.  He's surely telling  
> all the Bridge kitties a similar story, but it's all about how  
> great YOU are and how he trained you into a loving mommy.  Hugs to  
> you.
>
> Diane R.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 3:37 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone
>
> It is with a very heavy heart that I tell you that I lost my Romeo  
> today to
> lymphoma.  I write not out of grief but to encourage all the  
> newbies who
> wonder whether they can hang on with a FELV positive, whether they  
> know
> enough to take care of them, whether they should mix, etc.  And the
> resounding answer is YES YES YES.  My Romeo was a throw away stray  
> that I
> first met 7+ years ago when I helped someone out feeding a little  
> colony
> near me.  He was already an adult (3-4 years old) who would come  
> running
> across the field when I'd whistle and meow the whole way so I  
> wouldn't miss
> him.  He would get underfoot, get bullied by the other cats, bury
> everybody's food, and just rub up against my leg for some loving.   
> I knew
> someone had been unkind to him cause if I raised my hand, he'd  
> scamper away,
> just out of reach, cowering.
>
>
>
> Fast forward two years and we had one of the coldest NY winters  
> we've had in
> a long time.  One weekend, we were expecting zero degree temps and  
> a major
> snowstorm.  Romeo was the last of the colony and I knew I had to  
> bring him
> in.  I even had an adoptive home ready-but he turned out to be  
> positive and
> they couldn't handle it.  Soo, he stayed in my room for a few  
> weeks,
> watching my every move, figuring out the TV and the vacuum cleaner  
> weren't
> that bad.  Slowly, he started coming out of his crate at night when he
> thought I was asleep.  Little baby steps-first the food dish got  
> moved next
> to his crate.  Then the litter box in the bathroom.  And slowly,  
> he'd come
> out during the day.  I knew we won the battle when I peeked out  
> over my
> monitor to spot him on my bed.  You could see it in his face-this is
> niiice and from that point on, he was totally
> comfortable being in and around we humans.  Funny thing is that he  
> never
> really wanted to get out-he rarely sat at the window-the couch and  
> the bed
> were always much more comfortable for him!
>
>
>
> Over these last 4 ½ years, Romeo turned into the most loving cat  
> you'd ever
> want to meet.  Only thing I could never do was pick him up or  
> restrain him
> in any way---he was just too scared.  But he'd jump up on me, lie  
> on my
> chest as I was trying to get to sleep, follow me around like a  
> puppy dog and
> otherwise just kept thanking all the humans he met for being safe  
> and warm
> and loved.  My other cats were a bit leary of him and Tucson never  
> did take
> much of a liking to him-all jealousy, I'm sure.  But Romeo  
> persevered and
> the two of them had come to terms with each other...
>
>
>
> His final illness took him quickly.  He'd never been real sick  
> before-had
> some gum and teeth problems a couple of times, but that was it.   
> Going to
> the vet was a major trauma for him so I'd always worked with my  
> wonderful
> vet to keep those visits to a bare minimum.  But today was one of  
> those days
> that I knew he had to get to the vet asap.  He'd been feeling  
> poorly during
> the week and over the weekend, he started breathing very hard-like he
> couldn't catch his breath.  He'd been on antibiotics for what I  
> thought was
> another gum problem but when we got to the vet, I knew it was a  
> whole lot
> more.  My vet sent me immediately to our local specialty hospital  
> and they
> confirmed the lymphoma.  He had a large mass in his chest, his  
> lungs had
> filled up with fluid, and I knew that emotionally and physically,  
> he could
> never withstand an aggressive course of treatment that in all  
> likelihood
> would only give him a short extension of his life.  So, I made that  
> decision
> we all dread after I looked in his eyes and knew he was telling me  
> it was
> time.  I stroked him to the end and told him I loved him.
>
>
>
> And do I regret taking him in-ABSOLUTELY NOT.  He gave me so many  
> wonderful
> memories and he will always be in my heart.  And did he regret coming
> inside-ABSOLUTELY NOT-he had almost 5 years of a wonderful life and  
> I know
> that had he stayed out, he would have died a miserable death from  
> the cold
> and hunger or an infection and he would have been alone.  We can't  
> save them
> forever-but we can give them some wonderful time and we

Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Sue
I can ask Hideyo ...hopefully I can get an answer for you tomorrow.
I hope it is something that can be put into remission, but I am not  
sure.

I know how much you care for Buzz and I am sure that he knows that ...
  a great immune system booster. When Me Me was in the throes of  
fighting
a terrible upper respiratory, we used to do 15 minute intervals of  
bliss therapy
throughout the day. She loved being combed and she would roll and  
around and purr
deeply almost vibrate. I know this sounds nuts, but I am sure the  
sheer pleasure
of being loved and cared for (she had been thrown from a car window  
onto the porch of
a 'shelter' as a kitten) helped her immune system.

We do everything we can to help them fight this virus. We know that  
ultimately they are on their
own path, and that they will let us know when they want to let go.

Hopefully Hideyo will be able to answer your questions.
Give Buzz a buzz from us.

Jane




On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:

> Jane,
> Thank you for your help.  Buzz is not doing too badly, we caught it  
> when his
> blood levels were in the twenties this time.  Last time he was down to
> eight. We have been testing his blood every other week and I  
> purchased a pet
> scale to monitor his weight more closely.
>  I guess it is Leukeran that he will be on.  That is what the  
> pharmacies
> had.  The Chlorambucil must be the generic.  Dr. Tom gives me the  
> name of
> the medication and the dosage and lets me call around to the  
> pharmacies to
> find the best price.  For 15  2mg tablets of Leuctra the price  
> ranged from
> $49.44 to $77.99.
>  Do you know if they can ever go off of the Leukeran once they are  
> on it?
> Is hemolytic anemia something they can beat for good or will it  
> keep coming
> back?
> Thanks again for your help,
> Sue
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia
>
>
>> Sue
>> I talked with Hideyo (former list member) who said that she has heard
>> of people who have had good results
>> with Leukeran. She also said to caution you to be patient when going
>> back on the full strength Predinisole. It sometimes
>> does not work right away.
>> Something is wrong with her computer but if she gets up and running
>> I'll try to connect you.
>>
>> Hope Buzz is having a good day.
>>
>> Jane
>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:
>>
>>> Would it be better for him to just stay on the Prednesolone?  I
>>> have heard that also has side effects, though.
>>>
>>>  Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> Leukeran is a chemotherapy drug.  The problems we had with Leukeran
>>>> was that it helped his anemia, but brought his immune system  
>>>> down so
>>>> low that he got some sort of opportunistic infection.  AIHA is  
>>>> not a
>>>> good diagnosis.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Sue & Frank Koren
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>> My vet told me that the Chlorambucil is the generic for Leukeran
>>>>> (or vise
>>>>> versa).  Is it a type of chemo?  Dr. Tom says it is not in his
>>>>> marrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:25 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I lost a cat to AIHA last year.  If you do a search, Hideyo had
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> suggestions.  We did not use Chlorambucil, we used Leukeran.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Sue & Frank Koren
>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> My Buzz had anemia back in July and because of the advise of
>>>>>>> this group
>>>>>>> and my vet who is very proactive his life was saved.  We have
>>>>>>> been slowly
>>>>>>> weaning him off of the Prednisolone for the past several
>>>>>>> months.  He was
>>>>>>> down to 1/2 of a 5mg tablet one time a day.  Unfortunately his
>>>>>>> red blood
>>>>>>> cell count began to drop again.  He is ba

Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia

[Jane Lyons]

Sue
I talked with Hideyo (former list member) who said that she has heard  
of people who have had good results
with Leukeran. She also said to caution you to be patient when going  
back on the full strength Predinisole. It sometimes
does not work right away.
Something is wrong with her computer but if she gets up and running  
I'll try to connect you.

Hope Buzz is having a good day.

Jane
On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:

> Would it be better for him to just stay on the Prednesolone?  I  
> have heard that also has side effects, though.
>
>  Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Leukeran is a chemotherapy drug.  The problems we had with Leukeran
>> was that it helped his anemia, but brought his immune system down so
>> low that he got some sort of opportunistic infection.  AIHA is not a
>> good diagnosis.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Sue & Frank Koren  
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> My vet told me that the Chlorambucil is the generic for Leukeran  
>>> (or vise
>>> versa).  Is it a type of chemo?  Dr. Tom says it is not in his  
>>> marrow.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia
>>>
>>>
 I lost a cat to AIHA last year.  If you do a search, Hideyo had  
 some
 suggestions.  We did not use Chlorambucil, we used Leukeran.

 On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Sue & Frank Koren  
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:
> My Buzz had anemia back in July and because of the advise of  
> this group
> and my vet who is very proactive his life was saved.  We have  
> been slowly
> weaning him off of the Prednisolone for the past several  
> months.  He was
> down to 1/2 of a 5mg tablet one time a day.  Unfortunately his  
> red blood
> cell count began to drop again.  He is back to his full dose of
> Prednisolone - 30mg / day.  We will wait until the red blood  
> cell count
> stabilizes and then begin the weaning process again.  This time  
> he will
> also be on Chlorambucil.  Does anyone have any experience with  
> this drug
> or have any other suggestions that may help Buzz?  I have an  
> excellent
> vet who is very open to suggestions and will research any  
> possibilities
> thoroughly.
> Buzzy is the love of my life.  He snuggles up with me every  
> single night.
> I know the people in this group understand more then anyone  
> else what
> this is like.
> Thank you,
> Sue and Buzzy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Sue
I sent your post to some former list members who might be able to  
give you some help.

I know how scary it is. Hopefully they will contact you and will be  
able to share their
experience with anemia or maybe someone on the list will.

Hang in there ...we're rooting for Buzz.

Jane





On Oct 27, 2008, at 7:22 PM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote:

> My Buzz had anemia back in July and because of the advise of this  
> group and my vet who is very proactive his life was saved.  We have  
> been slowly weaning him off of the Prednisolone for the past  
> several months.  He was down to 1/2 of a 5mg tablet one time a  
> day.  Unfortunately his red blood cell count began to drop again.   
> He is back to his full dose of Prednisolone - 30mg / day.  We will  
> wait until the red blood cell count stabilizes and then begin the  
> weaning process again.  This time he will also be on Chlorambucil.   
> Does anyone have any experience with this drug or have any other  
> suggestions that may help Buzz?  I have an excellent vet who is  
> very open to suggestions and will research any possibilities  
> thoroughly.
> Buzzy is the love of my life.  He snuggles up with me every single  
> night.  I know the people in this group understand more then anyone  
> else what this is like.
> Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need suggestions help for 2 yr old leuk cat

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Claudia
I wish I could help you. I think that a good vet is your best hope at  
this time.
I (we) can help you if your vet can get her stabilized and out of  
this crisis.

I have been able to treat a very sick, Felv kittie with a variety of  
treatments,
supplements and interferon alpha. I can share all of these with you.

I'm thinking of the both of you and hoping that your vet can get her  
to a place
where you can begin to help her.

Please keep us posted.

Jane
On Oct 23, 2008, at 7:41 PM, Claudia wrote:

> Hi,
> I need your help!!!  I just joined this website.  I'm so glad  
> something like this exists as a resource for people with feline  
> leuk cats.  I have a young cat (she's 2) who was feral, I started  
> feeding her over the winter.  She's been with me almsot 2 years  
> now.  I decided to bring her in the hosue 'cause she was a little  
> kitten then, and I was worried about her being aout in the cold.   
> She was fine for a while ( at least 5 moths)  then developed a  
> couph.  I brought her to the vet, she was tested adn they said she  
> had feline leukemia.  She's been tested tiwce, so I guess she fdoes  
> have it.  I didn't knwo anything about thsi illness in cats.  Since  
> then, in the past 10 months, she's had a cold or upper respiratory  
> problems, inclding possibly asthma and allergies chronically.  It  
> seems she's been getting sick evry 2-3 months.  She's been on  
> anitbiotics which has worked so far.In the past 3 weeks she's  
> had an occasional couph, and he
>  rbreathing ahsn't been normal.  Sh's been on Clavamox anibiotic  
> for 10 days,  it's helped a little, but this apst Tuesday and  
> Today, she had  a coupel of episodes where she began a couphing  
> fit, then started weezing, and panting for air, with her outh  
> opening for a few seconds for air.  IT was scary, I'd never seen  
> her like that. I turned ont humidifier and that seemd to help  
> her.One thig though was that when I've had the humidifier on  
> for too long, I found mold on the windown int he room, and that's  
> not good either.
>  I'm planning on taking her to the vet tomorrow.  I don't know what  
> they'll tell me. I want to keep her healthy for as long as I can.
> HEr vet told me that she might have ashtma, but it was hard to tell  
> form her X ray because she also has the Leukemia.  The vet didn't  
> want to put her on Steroids because it's deadly for leukemia cats.
> I'm wondering what to do???   I was told people ont his board know  
> a lot about feline Leuk.  Please offer any suggestions,  
> recommendations.
> Thank you so much!!!
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Re: [Felvtalk] So Happy!

[Jane Lyons]

What fabulous news !
On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Marylyn wrote:

> that is so wonderful.
> On Sep 23, 2008, at 2:48 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone!
>> Tweezers tests came back and it is likely that all that is wrong
>> with him (Besides being positive) is a secondary infection!  No
>> liver stint.  No blood parasites, no crystals, no micro cystosis.
>> He already looks so much better.  His eyes are not goopy, he seems
>> to be gaining weight and no more watery stools. He actually was
>> playing for the last day or so!  Celebrate !! (Dance! Dance!
>> Dance!)
>> Sue
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Re: [Felvtalk] New kitty has arrived. Worried.

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Sue
When I picked up MeMe she was in really terrible shape. I did not  
know she was FeLV, but she was unusually small
for a one year old, had a terrible upper respiratory, constant  
sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea, stomatitis, swollen
glands, she was really miserable.
It tool us 6 months to get her into shape using both a homeopath and  
allopathic vet. With the exception of her
gums which are often swollen and sore, she is doing remarkably well.

I think it is a good idea to keep your new kittie separated until you  
can get him checked out. Kitties who are symptomatic
are fighting an active virus. Sometimes with good care and TLC they  
can fight the symptoms and keep the virus
in check.

I"m in the middle of a project for work, but I'll be glad to share  
the remedies and care we used to help
MeMe fight the virus to a place where she is living a very happy life.

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> I picked up the new FeLV+ kitty today and I am very worried about  
> him.  He is supposed to be close to two years old but he is the  
> size of a kitten no older then 6 months.  I can feel his bones as  
> if he has been on the street starving.  His eyes are a little gunky  
> and his nose seems to be running.  He eats like he has been  
> starving and he drank an amazing amount of water.  He just seems  
> sickly.  I am keeping him separated from my other cats just in  
> case, and he will go to my vet as soon as I can get him an  
> appointment.  The other animals at this rescue seem very healthy,  
> but I can't imagine why he is the way he is.   Does anyone have any  
> ideas?  Could this be just another thing that happens to positive  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Michelle's Patches is an angel

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>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Good News!

[Jane Lyons]

How great is that !
Hope Buzz will be feeling great forever.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne

[Jane Lyons]

That's a good question Lynne ...I don't know and my vet is learning  
from the information
that Gloria sent to me, via Tally.
I became interested when I read that paper published by the French  
veterinarians that stated
that interferon was the only treatment that they thought improved the  
quality and longevity
of Felv kitties. I had been considering Imulan, but El has been using  
it and the last time she posted,
she was not quite sure about it.
MeMe is probably 2, possibly 2.5 and I was hoping if we could keep  
building her immunity
she might make it through that difficult 2.5 to 3 stage.

She is the funniest cat. We have two Scotties and when I walk them  
she insists on going. She walks
ahead of them (with her cat jacket on) on a leash with her tail  
straight up. It's difficult to juggle three
leash handles, but they all are on retractable leads, which means  
that MeMe climbs a few trees ever
now and then.  From what I've read on the list, it seems that FeLV  
kittens are the most endearing.
I know MeMe is.

take care
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On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Lynne wrote:

> If I ever have a positive cat again I would definitely consider  
> this.  I'm
> wondering if it can be made into a trans dermal.  We found that  
> this method
> worked really well for our dear old Lennie and his thyroid medication.
>
> Lynne
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne
>
>
>> Sorry, thought I sent it to the list, guess not.  Tally used to be on
>> this list (maybe 2001?).  Guess that's when I got on this
>> list.  Anyhow - This is her info on her web
>> site:  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html
>>
>> Interferon used in this way, Lynne, is "oral low dose interferon
>> alpha".  Not injected.   It can of course be administered in other
>> ways, but this is intended to provide a gentle ongoing boost to the
>> kitty immune system.  There's lots of undocumented, unresearched
>> stuff about interferon, but this is the protocol that many
>> use.  There's also a discussion of whether you do constant, or on-off
>> (like 7 days on, then 7 off).  As I understand from Tally's info, the
>> theory for the constant, daily dosage, is that the cat is low in its
>> own natural interferon , and this is intended to supplement it.  Now
>> mind you, I'm just saying what I recall, so don't have sources right
>> now other than Tally's info.
>>
>> Gloria
>>
>>
>> At 07:56 PM 8/22/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>  We've been using interferon with our two FeLV positive kitties for
>>> over a year now.  Our vet said I could give it by mixing it into
>>> food, but usually we administer the required dosage in a needless
>>> syringe and the kitties just swallow it.  (I want to be sure they
>>> get all their dose.)  So far, both cats are doing well.  Bo is
>>> almost four now, and Seven is just over a year old.
>>>
>>> I don't think I have the list that Gloria sent to you, Jane, but I
>>> would be very interested in reading it and learning any more that  
>>> I can.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> Jody
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Interferon question (Jane Lyons)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:36:34 -0400
>>>> From: Jane Lyons
>>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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>>>> Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon
>>>> that someone
>>>> called Tally put together for this list a few years ago.
>>>> My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I
>>>> can give her.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One  
>>>> piece
>>>> is that it
>>>> cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with  
>>>> tuna
>>>> juice.
>>>> Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is  
>>>> using it.
>>>>
>>>> I just received i

Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question

[Jane Lyons]

thanks, it is 30 IU
do you know where to get a better price?
Has it worked for you?

Thanks
Jane
On Aug 22, 2008, at 6:03 PM, gary wrote:

> You probably want to be giving 30 IU not 30 ml.  Interferon is  
> usually dosed
> down to 30 IU per ml.  You would give 1 ml a day.  $70 is a lot for  
> a 30 day
> supply.
>
> Gary
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
>
>
>> They gave me a choice of flavors, so I am hoping marshmallow will do
>> it. Her mouth is inflamed
>> so it is difficult to open it to squirt something in.
>> The lab my vet used is charging 70.00 for a 30 day supply. (25.00 of
>> that is overnight frio packing)
>> Does that seem right to you? I'm doing 30 (ml) daily?
>> I'll do anything if it enhances the quality of her live. I hope she
>> responds to it.
>> It is great that it helped your kitties mouth. I 'm encouraged.
>>
>> thanks for your help Gloria
>>
>> Jane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:
>>
>>> Well the "rumor" I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the
>>> throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that
>>> happening.  I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it
>>> may or may not be true.  But I always give it with a syringe not
>>> mixed with food.  I think some folks use it with food and still
>>> feel it helps.
>>>
>>> One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday.  I
>>> started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better.  I
>>> haven't seen it help with mouth problems before.
>>>
>>> Gloria
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote:
>>>> Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon
>>>> that someone
>>>> called Tally put together for this list a few years ago.
>>>> My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I
>>>> can give her.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One  
>>>> piece
>>>> is that it
>>>> cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with  
>>>> tuna
>>>> juice.
>>>> Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is  
>>>> using it.
>>>>
>>>> I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will
>>>> begin tonight.
>>>>
>>>> Here's hoping
>>>> Jane
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question

[Jane Lyons]

They gave me a choice of flavors, so I am hoping marshmallow will do  
it. Her mouth is inflamed
so it is difficult to open it to squirt something in.
The lab my vet used is charging 70.00 for a 30 day supply. (25.00 of  
that is overnight frio packing)
Does that seem right to you? I'm doing 30 (ml) daily?
I'll do anything if it enhances the quality of her live. I hope she  
responds to it.
It is great that it helped your kitties mouth. I 'm encouraged.

thanks for your help Gloria

Jane





On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

> Well the "rumor" I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the
> throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that
> happening.  I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it
> may or may not be true.  But I always give it with a syringe not
> mixed with food.  I think some folks use it with food and still  
> feel it helps.
>
> One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday.  I
> started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better.  I
> haven't seen it help with mouth problems before.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
> At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote:
>> Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon
>> that someone
>> called Tally put together for this list a few years ago.
>> My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I
>> can give her.
>>
>> Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece
>> is that it
>> cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna
>> juice.
>> Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it.
>>
>> I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will
>> begin tonight.
>>
>> Here's hoping
>> Jane
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[Felvtalk] Interferon question

[Jane Lyons]

Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon  
that someone
called Tally put together for this list a few years ago.
My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I  
can give her.

Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece  
is that it
cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna  
juice.
Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it.

I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will  
begin tonight.

Here's hoping
Jane

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Re: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy

[Jane Lyons]

Dear Adrienne
I really understand what you are going through and how difficult it  
is to
make decisions with your head while your heart is punctured.

I think of the line in the poem by I Townsend that reads
"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than  
our own
Live within a fragile circle, easily and often breached,
Unable to accepts it's awful gaps
We still would have it no other way"

These are the most difficult times and it seems that at some point  
you have to know
that Emma is on her own path and that all you can do is to help her  
fight and also love
her enough to let her go.

It is the best and the worst of times.  She has the understanding  
that she is loved
and cared for, which is a gift.

Thinking of the both of you.
Jane





On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Dear Caroline, Belinda, Diane, and Michele,
>
> Thanks so much for sharing and for your kindness.  It's very helpful
> and comforting to hear from people what have been through something
> similar and/or who truly care.
>
> I know there are no easy answers as to the best thing to do or not to
> do.  My Emma tested positive on both multiple snap tests and on
> laboratory ELISA tests, so as much as I was hoping it was some kind of
> mistake, she is indeed FeLV+.  Over this past weekend, she suddenly
> stopped eating and drinking, her coat went from shiny black (she's a
> "tuxedo") to dull and covered with dandruff, her purr was gone, and  
> she
> was lethargic.  The ultrasound revealed enormous lymph nodes, and the
> blood test revealed a RBC count of 10 (dangerously low) and a WBC  
> count
> twice what it should be.  Analysis of the bone marrow points to
> lymphoma.  The Vet is encouraging chemotherapy, but because of past
> experiences with two of my dogs, I don't have a lot of faith in
> Veterinary oncologists.  I don't want a Veterinarian giving me false
> help and encouraging me to pursue chemotherapy if, in fact, there's
> little chance it will help, and a better chance that it won't help, or
> worse, that it will cause suffering.
>
> Caroline, I can relate to your situation with the tumor on Monkee's
> leg.  My dog Rebel had a mast cell tumor on his leg, which the surgeon
> was able to debulk, but he was unable to get clean margins.  He  
> offered
> amputation as an option, but Rebel was 12 years old and a big dog, and
> I didn't think he would manage well (though I've seen many younger  
> dogs
> and even cats do perfectly well with three legs).  It turns out it was
> really good that I didn't pursue amputation of the leg, because a week
> later, Rebel had a tumor on his back.  The tumor on his leg grew back
> and continued to grow despite chemotherapy.  It was the size of a  
> large
> honeydew.  But I continued to give him chemotherapy, hoping for a
> miracle.   There ended up being no miracle and I lost my Rebel.
> Several years earlier, I'd put my dog, Daisy, through chemotherapy and
> radiation when she was diagnosed with oral melanoma.  My Veterinarian
> told me I'd lose her in six months, with or without treatment.  I went
> to an oncologist anyway and was told there was a 20% chance the
> treatment would help.  So Daisy went throught the treatment, and a  
> week
> before she died, another oncologist put her on an experimental drug
> (Thalidomide) despite the fact that her lungs were full of tumors.
>
> I know that everyone's experiences are different and that we all want
> to do what's best for our furry family members.  It's just so hard to
> know what is best.  But your support and advice have been my saving
> grace this week.  I no longer feel quite so alone.  Thank you.  --
> Adrienne
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Re: [Felvtalk] Patches update

[Jane Lyons]

We're thinking and praying for Patches and visualizing a quick recovery.

Jane
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Re: [Felvtalk] New Here

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Jody and welcome.

I wish I had tips to give you on a good diet. My holistic vet
believes a raw diet is best for both cats and dogs, but the
FeLV virus makes that an exception.

I have tried to find the best quality commercial food (if that really
exists) and have fed her whatever she will eat. Right now she is
eating Wellness.

There is a site called 'Pet Connection' which is run by really  
knowledgeable
people as well a vet and they often discuss how to feed, good non
commercial diets. You might ask them your question.

I have used Wellness as a means of getting supplements (l-lycine, DMG,
probiotics etc) into my kitty because I can add water and make it into
a mush that does not hurt her gums.

I'm glad that your guys are well.

Jane





>>> Hello!  I'm new to this list.  My husband and I have two FeLV
>>> positive cats.  Bo is four, and Seven was a year old in June.  We
>>> have them both on interferon and have regular well-cat visits with
>>> our vets.  So far, Bo and Seven are in good health.
>>>
>>> I have read a lot recently about diets for cats with FeLV.  Any tips
>>> from the folks here on what to look for in designing a good-health
>>> diet for our beloved cats?
>>>
>>> Glad to be a part of this list!
>>>
>>> Jody (and Bo & Seven)
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[Felvtalk] Gloria/ question

[Jane Lyons]

Gloria I am going to follow your advice.

My kitten is roughly 2+ years. She was highly symptomatic and recovered
  with the exception of mildly inflamed gums.  Last week she had a  
relapse
with some sneezing and a mild runny nose.

Since we are facing that 2.5 to 3 year danger zone I thought I should  
begin
interferon.
Would you tell me what you use and how?
I was told by a friend to start with human interferon. My vet never  
offered it as an
alternative, so I am going to have to tell her what to prescribe and  
what dosage
to give.
If I did not have this list, we would never had made it past the  
first year.

I appreciate your advice.

Jane





On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

> Welcome to the list!  I must admit, I feed pretty ordinary
> food.  Would do better if I didn't do rescue and consequently have
> rescue cats.  But I have 2 FELV cats that I acquired from Oklahoma,
> and they're over 10.  I've had them for a few years, the previous
> owner had them for quite a few.  They're not on anything special,
> except love and care. The vet for the previous owner had them
> vaccinated for FELV yearly - he thought it helped.  Go figure.
>
> All my FELV cats are over 3.  The problems I've had are at the age
> 2.5 to 3 yrs old, and never had one make it past that age.  My
> current 'theory' is to use interferon till they get over 3 yrs.  I
> have a friend with 1 FELV, and 1 non-FELV, and the FELV kitty made it
> to 3 yrs and beyond and she does keep him on interferon.. They're
> doing great too!
>
> Thanks for writing and for joining the list!
>
> Gloria
> in Arkansas
>
>
>
> At 08:31 PM 8/13/2008, you wrote:
>> Hello!  I'm new to this list.  My husband and I have two FeLV
>> positive cats.  Bo is four, and Seven was a year old in June.  We
>> have them both on interferon and have regular well-cat visits with
>> our vets.  So far, Bo and Seven are in good health.
>>
>> I have read a lot recently about diets for cats with FeLV.  Any tips
>> from the folks here on what to look for in designing a good-health
>> diet for our beloved cats?
>>
>> Glad to be a part of this list!
>>
>> Jody (and Bo & Seven)
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[Felvtalk] no vaxes?

[Jane Lyons]

"A titer is a blood test that measures the amount of disease fighting  
anti-bodies in the blood
at the time the blood is drawn."

Vets who try to protect animals from over vaccination use them in a  
variety of ways.

Google "The Rabies Challenge". There is a trial that is now being  
lead by Jean Dodds DVM
and other vets to prove that one vaccination is sufficient for the  
live time of an animal
and that multiple vaccinations and boosters are often dangerous and  
damaging.

This subject is highly controversial because if it is proven that we  
have been over vaccinating our
pets, the economic impact on the veterinarian community and the  
pharmaceutical industry will
be profound. Yearly checkups for shots and boosters has been the  
foundation of many practices.
Changing the protocol from every year to every three years has met  
enormous resistance. You have to
admire vets who are willing to challenge their profession and major  
drug lobbies, for the well being
of animals.

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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Jane Lyons]

My homeopathic vet does very few vaccinations. She does rabies titers  
whenever possible.
She would never vaccinate a positive cat. I would be very frightened  
of any vet who would.
Years ago I had a negative cat who became positive after the FeLV  
vaccination.

I would urge everyone to read Catherine Diodoti's books on animal  
vaccines. I used to vaccinate
yearly, until I ran into Dr Richard Pitcairn.

Jane



> Not only do vets vaccinate cats who should not have anything else  
> to stress
> their immune system and not only do they insist on vaccinating  
> indoor-only
> cats, old cats and even ill cats, but they are now pushing the FIV  
> vaccine
> which will turn the cat FIV+ so if he/she gets lost, picked up by  
> animal
> control or taken to a vet by a rescuer, the cat will test positive  
> for FIV
> and most likely be killed.  Vaccines are NOT a miracle prevention.   
> Many
> cats get sarcoma at the site of the vaccine.  Other cats actually  
> get the
> disease they are being vaccinated for from the vaccine.  When I was  
> a teen,
> I was vaccinated for Polio and got a mild case of Polio that  
> paralyzed my
> right arm for almost a year. I still have some neurological  
> problems from
> that.  None of my personal cats are vaccinated.  My adoption cats  
> are only
> vaccinated with the FVRCP vaccine and the legally required rabies  
> shot.
> Many of us here in rescue are opposed to other vaccines.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
>
>
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Marylyn wrote:
>>
>>> Some vets  honestly believe vaccinations are in the best interest of
>>> the pet and her guardian.  Dixie received s rabies shot before her
>>> tests came back.  There was no reason to suspect that she was FeLV
>>> +.  She was full grown and appeared very healthy.  That was the last
>>> vaccination she received and that was with the blessing of her vets,
>>> both the regular vets and her holistic vets.  Check out the comments
>>> and links by Dr. Maier at the bottom of the page:
>>>
>>> http://www.kentuckianapets.com/forum/topic/show?id=1246639%3ATopic 
>>> %3A1517
>>>
>>> We over vaccinate pets in our loving desire to protect them.
>>> You are your friend's guardian and advocate.  He cannot stand up for
>>> himself.  He is literally at your mercy.  Do what your heart says is
>>> best with the best information you can get.
>>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Jennifer wrote:
>>>
 Really?  I had no idea vets didn't need to vaccinate in order to
 neuter/spay.  I guess it's their way of getting more money.  I will
 run that by my vet and tell him I don't want Ash to get any shots
 because of his FeLV+ status, and see what he says.  See, that's the
 thing that bugs me.  Vets are supposed to be animal advocates and
 do what's right by them, and surely they know that giving FeLV+
 cats vaccines isn't the best thing to do for their immune
 system...yet they do it anyway!  It all comes down to the mighty
 dollar.  Ugh!

 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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 Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:30 AM

 He most assuredly can be.  I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more
 serious) without their vaccinations.  Talk to the vet and if you
 can't
 do anything find another one.  I just took LCK and LGK to the  
 vet to
 be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story).
 They
 went in at different times.  They are young (8 or so weeks) but at
 the
 age people start getting their shots.  I made it very plain that I
 wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they
 needed
 for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc).  I
 want
 them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted
 with vaccines.  The vets agreed to that and (unofficially)  
 supported
 the decision.  If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no  
 reason
 to vaccinate.
 On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote:

> So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but  
> he's
> going in for all his shots on the 14th.  He needs to be fixed
> because he's spraying and I can't have that.  He can't be
 fixed
> without his vaxes.  What should I do?
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties

[Jane Lyons]

Sally, Junior was so handsome. Funny, I always pictured him as a grey  
and white kittie.

I'm happy to have finally met him. I can imagine how much you miss him.

Jane
On Aug 1, 2008, at 10:44 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

JJ is adorable
Sharyl

--- On Fri, 8/1/08, Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 8:43 PM


Hi

I have enjoyed the pictures. I added a couple to my website plus a  
little story told though JJ's eyes. I hope you enjoy it.


http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=78

I will always miss my Junior.

Sally

On 8/1/08, Jennifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi everyone.  Belinda posted pics of my kitties Morrison, Isobel  
and Ash.  Check them out :)  Thanks Belinda!


 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN & LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.
~ loving mama to ~
  Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
  Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
  Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)



--- On Thu, 7/31/08, Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:12 AM

Hi Jennifer,
  I have created a photo album for anyone who would like to post their
kitties, positive or otherwise for all us to see.

Just send me your photos in an email/s or if you know how to zip them



you can do that.  I will put them in your own album.  Let me know what

you would like your album name to be, try to keep it 5 words or less.
The album is here:

http://felvpositivefelines.org/album/




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happiness is being owned by cats ...

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Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate  
angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily,  
Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and   
Spike  Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are  
welcome to sign up.


http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php? 
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angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily,  
Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and   
Spike  Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are  
welcome to sign up.


http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php? 
sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties

[Jane Lyons]

Great photos Jennifer. Thanks for sending them. It's great to
connect faces with names. They are beautiful.

Jane
On Aug 1, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Jennifer wrote:

Hi everyone.  Belinda posted pics of my kitties Morrison, Isobel  
and Ash.  Check them out :)  Thanks Belinda!


 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN & LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.
~ loving mama to ~
  Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
  Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
  Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)



--- On Thu, 7/31/08, Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:12 AM

   Hi Jennifer,
  I have created a photo album for anyone who would like to post their
kitties, positive or otherwise for all us to see.

Just send me your photos in an email/s or if you know how to zip them
you can do that.  I will put them in your own album.  Let me know what

you would like your album name to be, try to keep it 5 words or less.
The album is here:

http://felvpositivefelines.org/album/

--

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happiness is being owned by cats ...

BelindaSauro.com
http://BelindaSauro.com


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties

[Jane Lyons]

I hope everyone who can will post photos. It is great to put
a name with a face.
I posted photos of my Felv positive MeMe to encourage anyone
who is discouraged with a diagnosis.
MeMe was highly symptomatic (severe diarrhea, runny nose, constant  
sneezing,
giardia, stomatitis, swollen glands, no appetite). With the help of  
both an
allopathic and homeopathic vet , she is symptom free and living a  
great life.

She must have been an outdoor kittie because as soon as she started  
to feel
well, she began crying to go out. She was relentless. Someone on the  
list recommended
a cat jacket and it has been a life saver. She spends much of the day  
outside with her
jacket and retractable leash, just hangin'. She has also learned to  
walk on it and often
goes for walks with the dogs.

When she has escaped, she has headed for the nearest tree and she can  
climbs as fast
and as confidently as a squirrel.

I've posted a few photos of the 'flying Walinda' in tree tops and I  
will post pictures
of the cat jacket, should anyone have a cat who 'must' be out.

Thanks again Belinda for creating this site. It is so much fun.
Jane

this is the link for the photos:

> http://felvpositivefelines.org/album/






On Jul 31, 2008, at 6:27 PM, lexingtongrn wrote:

> The photo album is very nice!
>
> 
> http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/ 
> tsmileys2/04.gif">Paula Howell blockquote>
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
>
>   Hi Jennifer,
>   I have created a photo album for anyone who would like to post their
> kitties, positive or otherwise for all us to see.
>
> Just send me your photos in an email/s or if you know how to zip them
> you can do that.  I will put them in your own album.  Let me know what
> you would like your album name to be, try to keep it 5 words or less.
> The album is here:
>
> http://felvpositivefelines.org/album/
>
> -- 
>
> Belinda
> happiness is being owned by cats ...
>
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> http://BelindaSauro.com
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update

[Jane Lyons]

It is so good to hear from you Sue.  I've been hoping to see good  
news about Buzz.
I'm praying that he can make a full recovery and that you can figure  
out a diet and

supplement routine that will keep him stable.

We're pulling for you. Please keep us posted.
Jane





On Jul 28, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Sharyl wrote:

Sue, some fresh air on the deck sounds like good medicine to me.   
Glad it is regenerative and you got the doxy.  Usually when a kitty  
isn't feeling well several small meals per day are better.  You  
might try crushing up a folic acid tablet and adding it to his food  
with the vitamins.  My FeLV+ kitties get 200 mcg of folic acid/day  
just as a precaution plus their Super B Complex..


Sharyl



--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Sue & Frank Koren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Sue & Frank Koren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 7:21 PM



Hello everyone -

Today I got doxycycline from the vet.  It came in 50mg capsules  
which I have


to open up and divide in two.  I mix half with water and give  
it to Buzzy in a


syringe.  Half a capsule every 12 hours.  Tomorrow he goes for  
some kind of


protein test and possibly set him up with a specialist for a  
transfusion.


When I questioned the vet she said his anemia is not the non- 
regenerative


kind.  Doesn't that mean there is more hope?  He is still  
eating fairly


well.  I have cooked him chicken, and I am mixing some vitamins  
in with


tuna.  I feed him a little bit as often as I can; he seems to  
eat more that


way.  In a little while I will take him out on the deck to sit  
in my lap for


a while.  He loves smelling the fresh air.

I hope this message goes through to the list, this is my fourth  
try.


Thanks for all the help, more suggestions are still appreciated.

Sue



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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz might be sick

[Jane Lyons]

We're sending angels to you and Buzz. It's great he can be seen right  
away and
hopefully he'll be treated and be feeling well soon.

We're thinking of you.
Jane
n Jul 25, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Sue Koren wrote:

> Thanks, Sally,
> Buzz seems to be breathing fast, but I am not sure how he usually  
> breaths.  Like you said, panic mode.  My husband is taking him at  
> 10:40 am today because I am working.  I want to be there so badly!
> Sue
>  Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: [Felvtalk] question

[Jane Lyons]

Thanks both Laurie and Tonya.

I was hoping for a different answer but we're grateful for
no symptoms and for every good day.

Thanks for responding.
Jane






On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Laurieskatz wrote:

> I have not. Isabella was highly symptomatic and with treatment is
> asymptomatic but still FeLV+.
> Laurie
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:17 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] question
>
> Has anyone ever heard of a highly (FeLV) symptomatic cat who, with
> treatment, becomes asymptomatic and then
> retests negative?
>
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