Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Mirinda de Jonge]

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Amani Oakley]

Jennifer – open mouth breathing and pain are also signs of severe anemia. I am 
sure that Maribel knows her cat and the situation much better than we can ever 
know it. I think it is important to encourage and support each other when we 
are trying to save a cat. I know that I have saved far far far too many cats 
who had been labeled as dying, and not save-able.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Jennifer 
Minnich
Sent: August 6, 2020 3:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Dear Maribel,   for Amy’s sake, If she is not eating for other reasons and can 
be saved & nursed back to health, that is one thing. IF she is in the 
actual dying process, in any final stages of dying,  you are doing more harm 
than good with forcing fluids and forcing food down her throat, particularly 
when she’s telling you to stop with open mouth breathing (clear sign of 
respiratory distress) and pain (moaning).  When a body is dying,  it naturally 
stops eating and drinking... this is coming from hospice and animal hospice 
experience.Please try to talk to your vets,  or research ‘stages of dying’  
in order to articulate where amy is at, and not to confuse actual stages of 
dying signs with other sorts of symptoms of illness ( btw, 
brighthaven.org<http://brighthaven.org> is an excellent resource for this 
information and guidance that I have referenced — they also have amazingly 
compassionate consultations if you need guidance of what to look for...)...
Wishing you and Amy love and comfort...
Jennifer


On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:06 PM, 
"dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>" 
mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote:
have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging.   i was syringe 
feeding my 12 year old Homey.  had to cover my lap .  i mixed the canned food 
with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe.  then broke my right arm and 
had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep her 
alive.  she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg.  also after started 
giving treats as reward for taking pill.  loves the treats but not her food.  
have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go.  going to try your method 
of balling up the food.  may be neater and get more down her.

- Original Message -
From: Maribel Piloto mailto:pilo...@bellsouth.net>>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.

They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi



On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq f

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Amani Oakley]

Do you mean you ordered the Winstrol already from Wedgewood, or are you 
referring to pain medication being ordered?

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 6, 2020 11:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I ordered it from Wedgewood already.   Problem is that even paying $30 for 
overnighting it they say it won’t get to me until Monday.   They need time to 
compound it and then there’s the weekend.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:

Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered 
the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful.

Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, etc.? 
If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that will 
put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the vet 
can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some pain 
medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which can just 
be rubbed into the inside of the ears.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.

They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
>
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
>
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour.
>
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk 
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  On

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Maribel Piloto]

I ordered it from Wedgewood already.   Problem is that even paying $30 for 
overnighting it they say it won’t get to me until Monday.   They need time to 
compound it and then there’s the weekend.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered 
> the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful.
>  
> Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, 
> etc.? If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that 
> will put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the 
> vet can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some 
> pain medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which 
> can just be rubbed into the inside of the ears.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> Piloto
> Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
>  
> The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
> syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
> breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now 
> and just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but 
> after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was 
> only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.
>  
> They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is 
> neither FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite 
> and other parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I 
> fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in 
> South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around 
> here where I can't get that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it 
> seems.
>  
> Maribel 
>  
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
>  
>  
> On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
>  wrote:
>  
>  
> Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
> that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
> you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.
> 
> One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft 
> wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open 
> their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets 
> spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have 
> found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a 
> bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually 
> after a few sittings though.
> 
> I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
> into a cat who won't eat on her own.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> 
> I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order 
> it.  
> 
> Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving 
> her some subq fluids.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
> > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> > 
> > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> > may be able to order it sooner.
> > 
> > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but 
> > Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell 
> > from his behaviour. 
> > 
> > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to 
> > you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> > option.
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> > Piloto
> > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
&g

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Amani Oakley]

Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered 
the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful.

Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, etc.? 
If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that will 
put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the vet 
can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some pain 
medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which can just 
be rubbed into the inside of the ears.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.

They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
>
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
>
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour.
>
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk 
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
>
> Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.  My cat Amy is dying 
> from anemia - two blood transfusions already.  Her HTC was at 17 after the 
> transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.  I ordered the 
> drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery 
> they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.  I need it quickly.
>
> Maribel
>
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Ardy Robertson]

Maribel - I'm sorry, I didn't see in your original email that you have already 
been in contact with Wedgewood.
Ardy
-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 5:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is dying 
from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 after the 
transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I ordered the drug 
from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell 
me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it quickly.

Maribel 

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-Mohandas Ghandi

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Maribel - When my beloved kitty Tigger had feline leukemia, I had a very 
difficult time getting Winstrol anywhere. I finally found a "compounding 
pharmacy" in Arizona, called Diamondback Drugs. I believe it is called 
Wedgewood Pharmacy now. Here is a link to their website - 
https://www.wedgewoodpharmacy.com/about-us/arizona-location.html

They are located at 7631 East Indian School Road, Scottsdale, AZ 85251 and 
their phone is 800-331-8272. They list their hours as Monday through Friday 7 
a.m. to 7 p.m. and Saturday 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. I found them extremely helpful and 
they had Winstrol in different forms and flavors. I chose the liquid in salmon 
flavor because it was easier to give Tigg liquid than pills. They also shipped 
overnight and even called later to see how my cat was doing! Amani can give you 
the details of the regimen she used to treat her Zander with great success. 
Best of luck to you and Amy!!

 

 

Thank you,

Ardy Robertson

Osseo  WI  54758

 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 5:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

 

Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is dying 
from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 after the 
transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I ordered the drug 
from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell 
me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it quickly.

 

Maribel 

 

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-Mohandas Ghandi

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Amani Oakley]

Maribel

I went back at looked at the old emails I have archived, and found that one of 
the online vet pharmacies recommended by people was Diamondback Pharmacy in 
Arizona. People were able to get Winstrol in liquid form from them. In looking 
Diamondback up on the internet, I see another one, Wedgewood Pharmacy, which 
has testimonials from different placed in the U.S. It may be related to 
Diamondback. I also see VetRx, an online compounding pharmacy.

I just don’t understand why your vet isn’t helping you with this?

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.

They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
>
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
>
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour.
>
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk 
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
>
> Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.  My cat Amy is dying 
> from anemia - two blood transfusions already.  Her HTC was at 17 after the 
> transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.  I ordered the 
> drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery 
> they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.  I need it quickly.
>
> Maribel
>
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
>
> ___

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Jennifer Minnich]

Dear Maribel,   for Amy’s sake, If she is not eating for other reasons and can 
be saved & nursed back to health, that is one thing. IF she is in the 
actual dying process, in any final stages of dying,  you are doing more harm 
than good with forcing fluids and forcing food down her throat, particularly 
when she’s telling you to stop with open mouth breathing (clear sign of 
respiratory distress) and pain (moaning).  When a body is dying,  it naturally 
stops eating and drinking... this is coming from hospice and animal hospice 
experience.Please try to talk to your vets,  or research ‘stages of dying’  
in order to articulate where amy is at, and not to confuse actual stages of 
dying signs with other sorts of symptoms of illness ( btw, brighthaven.org 
is an excellent resource for this information and guidance that I have 
referenced — they also have amazingly compassionate consultations if you need 
guidance of what to look for...)... 
Wishing you and Amy love and comfort...
Jennifer


> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:06 PM, "dlg...@windstream.net"  
> wrote:
> 
> have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging.   i was syringe 
> feeding my 12 year old Homey.  had to cover my lap .  i mixed the canned food 
> with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe.  then broke my right arm 
> and had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep 
> her alive.  she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg.  also after 
> started giving treats as reward for taking pill.  loves the treats but not 
> her food.  have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go.  going to 
> try your method of balling up the food.  may be neater and get more down her.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Maribel Piloto 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> 
> The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
> syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
> breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now 
> and just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but 
> after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was 
> only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.
> 
> They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is 
> neither FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite 
> and other parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I 
> fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in 
> South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around 
> here where I can't get that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it 
> seems.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
> that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
> you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.
> 
> One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft 
> wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open 
> their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets 
> spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have 
> found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a 
> bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually 
> after a few sittings though.
> 
> I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
> into a cat who won't eat on her own.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> 
> I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order 
> it.  
> 
> Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving 
> her some subq fluids.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
> > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> > 
> > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> > may be able to order it sooner.
> > 
> > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> > dropped 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[dlg...@windstream.net]

have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging.   i was syringe 
feeding my 12 year old Homey.  had to cover my lap .  i mixed the canned food 
with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe.  then broke my right arm and 
had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep her 
alive.  she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg.  also after started 
giving treats as reward for taking pill.  loves the treats but not her food.  
have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go.  going to try your method 
of balling up the food.  may be neater and get more down her.
- Original Message -
From: Maribel Piloto 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.
They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.
Maribel 
"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


 On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
 wrote:


Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.One thing I learned how to do 
with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a 
ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the 
back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of 
it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to 
cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of 
the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though.I agree that 
giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who 
won't eat on her own.Amani-Original Message-From: Felvtalk 
 On Behalf Of Maribel PilotoSent: August 
5, 2020 7:25 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol 
(Stanozolol)I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how 
to order it.  Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, 
Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids.Maribel "The greatness of a nation can 
be judged by the way its animals are treated."-Mohandas Ghandi> On Aug 5, 2020, 
at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:> > I don’t know of 
any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They may be able to order 
it sooner.> > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but 
my Zander dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that 
point, he needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next 
Monday - slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but 
Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from 
his behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the 
Winstrol to you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that 
isn’t an option.> > Amani> > -Original Message-> From: Felvtalk 
 On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto> Sent: August 
5, 2020 6:59 PM> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol 
(Stanozolol)> > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.  My 
cat Amy is dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already.  Her HTC was at 
17 after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.  I 
ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day 
delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.  I need it quickly.> > 
Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are 
treated."> -Mohandas Ghandi> > ___> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Maribel Piloto]

The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out.   I tried to 
syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started 
breathing open mouth and moaning.   She just gets up to turn positions now and 
just lays back down.  I know she needs another blood transfusion but after 
paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left.  Even that I was only able 
to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser.
They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia.  She is neither 
FIV nor Leuk pos.   She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other 
parasites they tested for.   The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by 
the time I get it she will be gone or too weak.   I live in South Florida and 
cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get 
that.  I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems.
Maribel 
"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi 

On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley 
 wrote:  
 
 Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.  

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel 

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
> 
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour. 
> 
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> 
> Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.  My cat Amy is dying 
> from anemia - two blood transfusions already.  Her HTC was at 17 after the 
> transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.  I ordered the 
> drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery 
> they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.  I need it quickly.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
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> -Mohandas Ghandi
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Sandra Wachtstetter]

Maribel, I don't have a solution, but I'm sure praying for you and Amy. 
Sandy W
> On 08/05/2020 7:24 PM Maribel Piloto  wrote:
> 
>  
> I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order 
> it.  
> 
> Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving 
> her some subq fluids.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
> > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> > 
> > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> > may be able to order it sooner.
> > 
> > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but 
> > Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell 
> > from his behaviour. 
> > 
> > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to 
> > you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> > option.
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> > Piloto
> > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> > 
> > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is 
> > dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 
> > after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I 
> > ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next 
> > day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it 
> > quickly.
> > 
> > Maribel 
> > 
> > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are 
> > treated."
> > -Mohandas Ghandi
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Amani Oakley]

Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree 
that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and 
you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.

One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet 
cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their 
mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back 
up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that 
doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more 
interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few 
sittings though.

I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food 
into a cat who won't eat on her own.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.  

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel 

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
> 
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour. 
> 
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> 
> Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is 
> dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 after 
> the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I ordered 
> the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery 
> they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it quickly.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
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> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Maribel Piloto]

I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it.  

Amy is not eating.  I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her 
some subq fluids.

Maribel 

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They 
> may be able to order it sooner.
> 
> However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
> dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
> needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
> slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
> dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
> behaviour. 
> 
> Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
> sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an 
> option.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel 
> Piloto
> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
> 
> Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is 
> dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 after 
> the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I ordered 
> the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery 
> they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it quickly.
> 
> Maribel 
> 
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> -Mohandas Ghandi
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

[Amani Oakley]

I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They may 
be able to order it sooner.

However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander 
dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he 
needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - 
slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander 
dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his 
behaviour. 

Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you 
sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an option.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto
Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol.   My cat Amy is dying 
from anemia - two blood transfusions already.   Her HTC was at 17 after the 
transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later.   I ordered the drug 
from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell 
me it won’t get to me until Monday.   I need it quickly.

Maribel 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone

[Sandy]

WOW - quick action from Diamondback Drugs! Best of luck - don't give up!!

Sandy W

> On May 16, 2018 at 6:44 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> 
> Maribel, I think that is really an issue of comfort for you and for your 
> cat. I personally prefer to do it all at once, because I prefer not to have 
> to constantly be grabbing my cat, all day long, and giving her/him more meds. 
> I therefore prefer to prolong the single session rather than break it into 
> multiple sessions. I suggest that you might consider holding off on the 
> iron/B12 supplement for now. Most supplements, vitamins, etc., don’t need to 
> be given daily anyway.
> 
>  
> 
> Amani
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Maribel Piloto
> Sent: May-16-18 6:38 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone
> 
>  
> 
> Ok guys - thanks to ALL the help from everyone - I got the Winstrol, Doxy 
> and Prednisolone (all in liquid from Diamondback Drugs) and I'm ready to 
> start my Flaqui on this to treat her anemia.  One more question - I give 
> Flagui Liqui-Tinic which is an iron/B-12 supplement 1ml twice a day.  Now I 
> have to incorporate these other three medicines into her regiment.  So should 
> I give all these liquids to her at the same time?  Should I wait for an hour 
> or more in between liquids.  It seems like a lot of liquids and different 
> medicines to give at the same time and I suspect it would REALLY stress her 
> out (she isn't the easiest of cats to medicate).  What do you guys do with 
> your cats?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Maribel & Flaqui
> 
>  
> 
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are 
> treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone

[Amani Oakley]

Maribel, I think that is really an issue of comfort for you and for your cat. I 
personally prefer to do it all at once, because I prefer not to have to 
constantly be grabbing my cat, all day long, and giving her/him more meds. I 
therefore prefer to prolong the single session rather than break it into 
multiple sessions. I suggest that you might consider holding off on the 
iron/B12 supplement for now. Most supplements, vitamins, etc., don’t need to be 
given daily anyway.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Maribel Piloto
Sent: May-16-18 6:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone

Ok guys - thanks to ALL the help from everyone - I got the Winstrol, Doxy and 
Prednisolone (all in liquid from Diamondback Drugs) and I'm ready to start my 
Flaqui on this to treat her anemia.  One more question - I give Flagui 
Liqui-Tinic which is an iron/B-12 supplement 1ml twice a day.  Now I have to 
incorporate these other three medicines into her regiment.  So should I give 
all these liquids to her at the same time?  Should I wait for an hour or more 
in between liquids.  It seems like a lot of liquids and different medicines to 
give at the same time and I suspect it would REALLY stress her out (she isn't 
the easiest of cats to medicate).  What do you guys do with your cats?

Thanks.
Maribel & Flaqui

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol....

[dlgegg]

That is one step in the right direction and who knows she might just do some 
research or read your information and change her mind.

 Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
> 
Prenisolone and prednisone are interchangeable. Most Vet's (mine is not one) 
believe that prednisolone is better utilized by cats, because one step of the 
metabolization process is eliminated. Prednisone must be processed into 
prednisolone in the liver beofre cats can use it.

"Why are there two versions of this catabolic steroid? First of all, if the 
thought of steroids and cats causes you to picture your cat gaining muscle mass 
and getting ripped, those performance-enhancing drugs are anabolic steroids, 
which build up. Catabolic steroids do the opposite; they break down. A cat’s 
liver processes prednisone, turning it into prednisolone. Prednisolone, then, 
is prescribed for cats with weak or compromised livers." (from 
http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/prednisone-for-cats)



And while my Vet doesn't believe it much matters, she has prescribed 
prednisolone for me  to have on hand, so I can do things my way...

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>From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
>Sent: Nov 2, 2017 7:02 PM
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>Hi Bob
>
>When I was treating Zander, all the vets were using prednisone on cats, so 
>that is what I used on Zander. I don’t agree it is useless. I have used 
>prednisone on other cats, with good result. However, I now understand that 
>prednisolone is a derivative of prednisone and is better and safer for cats. 
>This is my understanding as to why this was changed, but I have heard from 
>vets that the two are interchangeable in terms of dosage, etc.
>
>Amani

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol....

[Margo]

Prenisolone and prednisone are interchangeable. Most Vet's (mine is not one) 
believe that prednisolone is better utilized by cats, because one step of the 
metabolization process is eliminated. Prednisone must be processed into 
prednisolone in the liver beofre cats can use it.

"Why are there two versions of this catabolic steroid? First of all, if the 
thought of steroids and cats causes you to picture your cat gaining muscle mass 
and getting ripped, those performance-enhancing drugs are anabolic steroids, 
which build up. Catabolic steroids do the opposite; they break down. A cat’s 
liver processes prednisone, turning it into prednisolone. Prednisolone, then, 
is prescribed for cats with weak or compromised livers." (from 
http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/prednisone-for-cats)



And while my Vet doesn't believe it much matters, she has prescribed 
prednisolone for me  to have on hand, so I can do things my way...

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>From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
>Sent: Nov 2, 2017 7:02 PM
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>Hi Bob
>
>When I was treating Zander, all the vets were using prednisone on cats, so 
>that is what I used on Zander. I don’t agree it is useless. I have used 
>prednisone on other cats, with good result. However, I now understand that 
>prednisolone is a derivative of prednisone and is better and safer for cats. 
>This is my understanding as to why this was changed, but I have heard from 
>vets that the two are interchangeable in terms of dosage, etc.
>
>Amani

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol....

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Bob

When I was treating Zander, all the vets were using prednisone on cats, so that 
is what I used on Zander. I don’t agree it is useless. I have used prednisone 
on other cats, with good result. However, I now understand that prednisolone is 
a derivative of prednisone and is better and safer for cats. This is my 
understanding as to why this was changed, but I have heard from vets that the 
two are interchangeable in terms of dosage, etc.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: November-02-17 5:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Hi Ken...
I well know the experience of lying with a cat dying of Felv until they passed 
and these posts are reawakening my own sadnesss and frustration at being able 
to do so little so late with my own two FelV boys.  It is SO difficult for me 
to grasp the level of opposition to Winstrol on the part of some vets...  they 
are surely not worried about law suits and they have a dying cat in front of 
them that they have NO definitive Tx forwhy NOT try Winstrol...  It is 
beyond absurd...  Unless there is some kind of worry at being fingered for 
prescibing minute doses of an anabolic steroid ( go ahead...take the dose you 
would give to a cat and see the AMAZING effect is has...  You'll feel 
nothing  I can't help but wonder if a lot of vets think if they wipe out 
the entire population of FeLV cats that they will effectively wipe out the 
disease( an odd consideration given that there will always BE a "patient 
Zero"...  it has to start somewhere and likely would again...   Then 
again...anemia is only one of the complications of this damnable disease ( 
though admittedly the most critical...   They are driving law abiding citizens 
into illegal activity trying to find alternative sources of a hard to obtain 
drug in order to save their cats lives it's f-in insane!!!
There is no end to the irrationality one can encounter when people who are ' 
supposed ' to be schooled in scientific thinking decide that , that which 
stands before thema winstrol treated cat in recovery from anemia must not 
have had FeLV or there must be an alternative explanation for the recovery  
Everything BUT trying Winstrol on other cats with the disease and SEEING if it 
works ..run you own N of 5 or 6 mini experiment and see if you get a a positive 
result It's not as though you are using alternative medicine on a cancer 
patient that MIGHT have survived had they had proven Tx...   they have NOTHING 
to offer us that compares with Winstrol in the clutch ( though to date we have 
only a very few cats who have survived as a result of taking Winstrol and , to 
my mind, it has not established itself as the de-facto drug for FeLV instigated 
anemia...but... it is certainly the most hopeful in a field of paltry 
competitors.   We all want to live with hope, and Winstrol gives us 
this  So Ken, by all means, spread the word, pester,implore,cajole your vet 
into trying itbut don't be too terribly surprised when you have to figure 
out how to dismantle the brick wall you are likely to encounter..


Bob


BTW Amani..  are you recommending prednisone or prednisolone with the 
Doxy...   many vets insist that prednisone is not useful for cats..


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[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hi Ken...
I well know the experience of lying with a cat dying of Felv until they 
passed and these posts are reawakening my own sadnesss and frustration 
at being able to do so little so late with my own two FelV boys.  It is 
SO difficult for me to grasp the level of opposition to Winstrol on the 
part of some vets...  they are surely not worried about law suits and 
they have a dying cat in front of them that they have NO definitive Tx 
forwhy NOT try Winstrol...  It is beyond absurd...  Unless there is 
some kind of worry at being fingered for prescibing minute doses of an 
anabolic steroid ( go ahead...take the dose you would give to a cat and 
see the AMAZING effect is has...  You'll feel nothing  I can't help 
but wonder if a lot of vets think if they wipe out the entire population 
of FeLV cats that they will effectively wipe out the disease( an odd 
consideration given that there will always BE a "patient Zero"...  it 
has to start somewhere and likely would again...   Then again...anemia 
is only one of the complications of this damnable disease ( though 
admittedly the most critical...   They are driving law abiding citizens 
into illegal activity trying to find alternative sources of a hard to 
obtain drug in order to save their cats lives it's f-in insane!!!
There is no end to the irrationality one can encounter when people who 
are ' supposed ' to be schooled in scientific thinking decide that , 
that which stands before thema winstrol treated cat in recovery from 
anemia must not have had FeLV or there must be an alternative 
explanation for the recovery  Everything BUT trying Winstrol on 
other cats with the disease and SEEING if it works ..run you own N of 5 
or 6 mini experiment and see if you get a a positive result It's not 
as though you are using alternative medicine on a cancer patient that 
MIGHT have survived had they had proven Tx...   they have NOTHING to 
offer us that compares with Winstrol in the clutch ( though to date we 
have only a very few cats who have survived as a result of taking 
Winstrol and , to my mind, it has not established itself as the de-facto 
drug for FeLV instigated anemia...but... it is certainly the most 
hopeful in a field of paltry competitors.   We all want to live with 
hope, and Winstrol gives us this  So Ken, by all means, spread the 
word, pester,implore,cajole your vet into trying itbut don't be too 
terribly surprised when you have to figure out how to dismantle the 
brick wall you are likely to encounter..



Bob


BTW Amani..  are you recommending prednisone or prednisolone with 
the Doxy...   many vets insist that prednisone is not useful for cats..






I couldn?t agree with you more, but I fear that the scientific/medical 
evidence is thin because of the really stupid study done a decade ago, 
which gave three cats massive doses of Winstrol (same levels as given 
to sled dogs) and reported the resulting elevation of liver enzymes. 
And then, of course, there is the unhelpful connection to the athletic 
doping scandals. Studies looking into the effects of Winstrol are 
therefore few and far between (though I have found a few). Moreover, a 
physician friend of mine explained to me that once a drug is 
off-patent (as Winstrol is) then the drug companies can make very 
little money from it, and so they will not spend money to set up 
clinical trials, and will instead push other related drugs that are 
still covered by a patent, so they make more money on the sale of 
those other drugs.


The problem is that, as far as I can determine to date, though there 
are lots of anabolic steroids, Winstrol is the only one that seems to 
have this effect on bone marrow to cause it to grow, create new cells, 
regenerate, etc, which in turn causes the production of red cells, 
white cells and platelets from the activated bone marrow. In addition, 
Winstrol is considered to have very mild side effects in comparison to 
other anabolic steroids. Winstrol is also found to be very quickly 
effective. Most of those athletes who will speak about steroid use, 
confirm that Winstrol is one of the most effective and safest of the 
drugs (and remember that athletes who are using steroids use them at 
hundreds if not thousands of times the recommended doses, and they 
"stack" them will all sorts of other steroids).


I also found, with my own vets, that even with solid proof in front of 
their own eyes (with cats condemned to death, showing an amazing 
recovery), they will often look for other explanations other than that 
it was the Winstrol. As I mentioned with my little Zander, after being 
told by every vet I spoke with that there was nothing I could do and 
Zander was going to die (and best to put him down immediately), and 
being able to show serial blood results weekly which showed a clear 
improvement from critical haematology values to normal results, at the 
end of it all, I start hearing things like, "well maybe it 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol - vet in Southern California

[Amani Oakley]

Can I suggest that the request could just be for a kind and reasonable vet in 
Southern California, who is willing to work with concerned cat people? Since 
Winstrol is so rarely prescribed, looking for a referral to a vet who 
prescribes is more difficult. Maybe, to help Realissa, if folks know a good vet 
in the area, he/she may be open to a discussion about Winstrol.

By the way, I was contacted directly by someone on this chatline, who reported 
to me that she had seen an excellent response to Winstrol in her cat in just 
five days. She let me know that her cat had shifted away from a "resigned to 
die" attitude, to being back to her happy self, grooming, and with an improved 
appetite and pinked-up ears. I was thrilled to hear of her experience and 
delighted that she had found a vet who was willing to work with her.

Amani

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Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: July-19-16 3:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol - vet in Southern California

Does anyone know a vet willing to prescribe Winstrol in Southern California?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Margo]

Sorry, fellow list people. I had MEANT to send that privatelyMy apologies,Margo-Original Message-
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I know I sound like a broken record, but go get some Winstrol (Stanazalol) from your vet. 1 mg 2 x a day or a 2 mg tablet daily. I have had miraculous results
 with it for leukemia, sarcoma, and a host of other conditions I have encountered in the cats I have looked after. It is also a very effective appetite stimulant, makes them feel much better and therefore lifts their spirits and gets them moving about and even
 playing. It can be given with prednisone or prednisolone, and in fact, works well with it. The only side effect I have seen is a temporary rise in liver enzymes, but these subside quickly once the drug is discontinued and the drug has yet to cause any permanent
 liver damage (though this is the reason, allegedly, that vets stopped using this drug).
 
Amani
 


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My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly. 


 


 



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We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, and is now
 down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure if they actually do anything.  Sigh.



 

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis  wrote:
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L


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> Hey all,
>
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> Best wishes.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I sheepishly add this to the list after writing my last 
"tome"...BUT...   Wondering if anyone on the list ( Besides Amani) has 
had success with Winstrol??    Looking at the other "advances" in FeLV 
Tx I am not impressed at the response rates ( or ,more specifically, the 
cost/benefit ratio)... Spending a couple of thousand on a tx that 
promises less than a 25% chance of addressing the issue is not my idea 
of a sensible expenditure for a retired guy who is already living on 
fumes and can't return to work ( if I want to be able to provide the 
care my guys are likely to need in the future)..   I'm so used to 
having my own ( owned) place and wish I had gotten a two bedroom now 
because I would like to have someone living with me who I could trust to 
look out for my guys when I can't be there   Have to give serious 
thought to renting again...
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[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Marsha,
I'm so sorry about everything going on with you. That "counselor" was, in my
opinion, very harsh. Who wants common sense if it doesn't make your heart
break when you lose a pet or are sad about one that is ill. He needs
compassion -- you don't need more sense.

Something that really helped me when Tigger passed away is the poem someone
posted called "Lend Me A Kitten"... I go back and re-read it all the
time. It is so true!!

If you don't have a copy of it, let me know and I will send it to you.

Ardy


-Original Message-
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Marsha
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Sandy, I don't plan on seeing him again, except maybe when I am up to it, to
tell him how I felt.  I did write a review in HealthGrades on him.  The one
other person gave him 5 stars.  I keep a journal for each of my cats (I use
Microsoft OneNote), writing down cute things they did, or interactions with
other cats.  And when I am caring for a cat that is ill, the journaling is
daily...what they ate, when they ate, how they seem to be feeling, physical
activity, etc.  Noelle has her final appointment late this afternoon, near
the end of the vet's day so we can have an unhurried time, not squeezed
between. She is laying on the bed behind me right now.

I named my Noelle because I got her in December.  She was eating food at the
colony I cared for.  A little friendlier than normal feral, but I don't
think she'd ever lived indoors before, and when she was spayed, the vet
noted she had previously been pregnant. Possibly she had been a barn cat,
since I lived at the edge of town adjacent to two farms.  No one claimed
her.  She is probably related to several of my other cats, including FeLV+
Milkdud, who passed away 2 years ago around this time.  
Noelle tested negative for FeLV twice.  She was the first of the colony that
I took in. She is a calico, large patches of gray and orange tabby over
white.

Marsha

On 5/19/2016 10:03 AM, swacht wrote:
> Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd 
> continue with this "counselor".  Would you be comfortable with keeping 
> a daily journal - write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have 
> a cat named Noelle) - write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling.
> For me, I found writing helped with my losses.  Please give it a try.
> Sandy W
>
> -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM
> To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
> Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you 
> said you have assisted with transfusions.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Marsha, I'm so sorry.
>>
>> What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for 
>> others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig 
>> ditches, somewhere far from actual humans.
>>
>> Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are 
>> struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told 
>> you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again.
>> I'm surprised he didn't sing it :(
>>
>> Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this 
>> ...man...hold?
>>
>> I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any 
>> many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much 
>> better place...
>>
>> Back after rounds
>>
>> Margo
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com>
>>> Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>>
>>> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on 
>>> my plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he 
>>> informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and 
>>> animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks 
>>> common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much, 
>>> etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take
in, he said, "Good for you!"
>>> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement 
>>> come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling 
>>> more hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I 
>>> don't need that kind of he

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[dlgegg]

RE:  bloodwoek, I agree.  I just bought a new roof and that leaves me pretty 
well strapped.  Thank God all my babies are in good health right now.  I 
recently had a mouse outbreaqk in the kitchen and they are keeping busy chasing 
them all night.
I broke my left arm March 8 and have been alternating between depresion because 
I cannot do anything and worse of all, the doctor will not let me drive.  I am 
not used to dpending on people to take me shopping, to doctors.  It did help 
with Amazon Prime.  They ship  for free so getting heavy items like litter and 
food through them.  At least my roof /skylight is not leaking any more and I 
don't need 6 buckets lined up in the hallway.  Harley liked to play with the 
water in the buckets and splashed it all over.
Got good news today, I can now drive and he gave me a shot in both knees so I 
cn now bend.  Hopefullly God will come through and help with everything else

 Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote: 
> Ok thank you for sharing that with me, he just came out here on the porch and 
> started playing with a toy so maybe I am over paranoid. I think I will take 
> him in regardless. Remember when I took him at first and she had a hard time 
> hearing his heart and the next time she could hear it fine and thought the 
> mass had shrunk down? Well maybe if she listens to his heart it will help me 
> decide if I want more prednisone and talk to her about Winstrol. I just wish 
> blood work wasn't $150 each time. And weekly? Ouch.   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 18, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Rachel, I don't think it can "fix" cancer but I think it can help the 
> > surrounding issues that accompany the cancer. I used it on a 16 year old 
> > cat with a huge nasal sarcoma, and it kept her eating, putting a bit of 
> > weight on her (she was a tiny fragile little feral cat who had been in our 
> > home since she was a year old). The vet who was treating her cancer with 
> > radiation therapy, was absolutely amazed regarding how well she was doing 
> > with this giant tumour and the radiation therapy, etc. She lived to age 19. 
> > She was one where we saw a very dramatic spike of her liver enzymes on the 
> > Winstrol - I discontinued for a few weeks until the enzymes dropped back 
> > down to not so bad levels - but there was never any sign of actual liver 
> > problems like jaundice or cancer, etc. The vet who was looking supervising 
> > her care is a good friend of ours who (a) knew not to argue with me and (b) 
> > knew of the great results I had had with Zander. He is the head of oncology 
> > at the leading vet univer
 si
>  ty
> >  programme in Canada. However, he agreed with my logic. Katrina was doomed 
> > and the best we could do was to keep her as comfortable as possible for as 
> > long as possible. He agreed there was little downside risk in trying the 
> > Winstrol. The tumour shrunk BEFORE we ever tried the radiation therapy on 
> > her, and he said that if we had gotten that result AFTER the radiation 
> > therapy, he would have declared the radiation therapy a success. The tumour 
> > didn't disappear of course, but definitely shrunk - probably a little bit 
> > of anti-inflammatory effect. I had her on both the Winstrol and the 
> > prednisone.
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Rachel Dagner
> > Sent: May-18-16 5:52 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> > 
> > I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Lorrie
> >> 
> >> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
> >> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the 
> >> vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered 
> >> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. 
> >> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which 
> >> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding 
> >> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry 
> >> Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the 
> >> tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one 
> >> reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to s

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[dlgegg]

You keep on going because you have a heart, love and compassion.  I have said 
several times, no more and then someone shows up on the deck looking 
bedraggles, thin and those eyes and off I go again.  I cannot say no to them.  
I would take in children also if I had the money and the law would allow an old 
woman to take them in.


 Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote: 
> Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming 
> to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about 
> everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and 
> how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep 
> going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person 
> who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone 
> to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out 
> eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep 
> searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is 
> helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
> > tomorrow will be better.
> > 
> > All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
> > and ease the way.
> > 
> > My thoughts are with you. 
> > 
> > Margo
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-----
> >> From: Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com>
> >> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> >> 
> >> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Lorrie
> >>> 
> >>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy 
> >>> was able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and 
> >>> the vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered 
> >>> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. 
> >>> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which 
> >>> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding 
> >>> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they 
> >>> carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you 
> >>> get the tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's 
> >>> one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. 
> >>> However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so 
> >>> again, this is an option.
> >>> 
> >>> Let us know when you find it. 
> >>> 
> >>> Amani
> >>> 
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> >>> Lorrie
> >>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
> >>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> >>> 
> >>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you 
> >>> sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune 
> >>> system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Lorrie,

I found Winstrol (Stanozolol) at a compounding pharmacy called Diamond Back
Drugs in Arizona. They offered it in other forms besides liquid, I can't
remember all of them so they might have it in pill form. I bought it in
liquid because that was easier for me to give to Tigger and he liked the
salmon flavor. I would let him smell the syringe before I gave it and he did
not try to avoid it. The company's website is
http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/   and their phone number is  866-578-4420.

I found them to be very good to work with, very efficient and also caring.
The company seems large, but they take time to talk with you individually
also. The vet had to fill out the prescription online, or fax it to them.
Then they would call me to verify the address, and for me to give them
payment by credit card. I paid $42 for a 25 day supply.

Hope this helps. If they do not have pill form, you might be able to find
other sources by googling "compounding pharmacy veterinarian".
Ardy


-Original Message- 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley

Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 4:08 PM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Lorrie

The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was
able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet
could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to
Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used
and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me
to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in
your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol).
You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to
cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones -
you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give
a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.

Let us know when you find it. 

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent.
I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I
intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!





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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[dlgegg]

I was told by an investigator for the Missouri humane society that nine time 
out of 10 when they report someone for animal abuse, they also report for 
spouse, child or elder abuse.  It starts with defenseless animals and goes on 
to defenseless people.


 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> I am quite ferocious when dealing with the defendants in my cases. No 
> question about it - I am not popular on the other side of the table, but my 
> clients are my biggest fans. However, I am reduced to a little puddle in 
> other situations - especially dealing with defenceless animals.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-18-16 8:15 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> So funny, I am sure we would cry about the lamp together! Whenever we are are 
> watching tv and anyone is crying for any reason at all Harry looks over at me 
> and then rolls his eyes because I am crying too. And I think of you as the 
> strongest one of us all, maybe there is hope for me yet! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Rachel
> > 
> > I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
> > they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought 
> > one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness 
> > sake??
> > 
> > My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
> > would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
> > that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who 
> > save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the 
> > people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is 
> > no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly 
> > wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably 
> > deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and 
> > devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my 
> > babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me 
> > than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
> > 
> > We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
> > gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
> > 
> > Amani 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Rachel Dagner
> > Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM
> > To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> > 
> > Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming 
> > to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about 
> > everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and 
> > how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep 
> > going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person 
> > who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with 
> > someone to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with 
> > puffed out eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I 
> > will keep searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on 
> > here is helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of 
> > you.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
> >> tomorrow will be better.
> >> 
> >> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
> >> and ease the way.
> >> 
> >> My thoughts are with you. 
> >> 
> >> Margo
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com>
> >>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> >>> 
> >>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> 
> >>>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> 
> >>>> wro

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[dlgegg]

He lacked compasion and common sense.  One doe not criticise when someone is 
looking for support, and compassion.  Maybe later on when the pain has subsided 
some, but not at this time.

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> What a complete and utter idiot.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Marsha
> Sent: May-18-16 8:55 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my 
> plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that 
> I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said he loves 
> animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too 
> much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any 
> more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"  
> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement come 
> across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless 
> after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I don't need that kind of 
> help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any 
> way.  And even if it was, how would you treat it?  Plus I was very depressed 
> and crying because the last time I saw this counselor was the day before 
> Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care for (sinus cancer).  I would like 
> to tell him that HE lacked common sense in saying such things to someone in 
> the throes of depression.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
> > Rachel
> >
> > I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
> > they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought 
> > one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness 
> > sake??
> >
> > My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
> > would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
> > that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who 
> > save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the 
> > people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is 
> > no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly 
> > wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably 
> > deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and 
> > devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my 
> > babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me 
> > than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
> >
> > We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
> > gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
> >
> > Amani
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

[Margo]

Just quickly...

From Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook Fifth Edition

Stanozolol (Winstrol)
Cats; 1-2 mg PO bid (twice a day); or 25 mg deep IM, may repeat weekly.
Treatment should continue for several weeks, depending on response and 
condition of the animal.

Doxycycline varies from 5mg/kg to 5-10mg'kg to 50mg per cat, but all are every 
twelve hours. I always used 25mg per cat unless advised otherwise.

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net>
>Sent: May 19, 2016 10:16 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages
>
>After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood 
>results
>and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half  later 
>he is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab 
>)when he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye 
>as well)  Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+ 
>cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX
>Others on the group have suggested uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent 
>with this)... that said...  I have never been sure of the dosages being 
>used with winstrol and Doxy  Those of you who are using this 
>protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ?   This 
>would make the most sense to me...
>I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes??  How about the 
>Doxy??    Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm 
>in asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him 
>well"...   Great idea if he would eat...  This was NOT a big problem 
>until yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant..  
>As this is the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the 
>mirtazapine for the present ( opinions??)
>Thanks for any input...
>
>Bob
>Warwick NY
> 
> 
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>> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:20:46 -0500
>> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>> Message-ID: <003901d1b17d$700af650$5020e2f0$@centurytel.net>
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>> Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :)
>>
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of kat
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>>
>>
>> Ardy,
>>
>>
>> The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said 
>> "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
>> time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been 
>> to be so successful.
>>
>>
>> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
>> From: "Ardy Robertson"  >
>> To: 'Amy'  >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat 
>> Sanctuary
>>
>> Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most 
>> cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean 
>> they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Amy
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
>> To: felineres...@frontier.com  ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: 
>> Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>>
>>
>> Lorrie,
>>
>>
>> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a 
>> no-kill

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Robert

The Winstrol isn’t really weight based. For cats, I would suggest starting at a 
higher dose of 2 mg/day and see what response you are getting in a week or two. 
I would leave them at 2 mg a day until you are satisfied with their progress 
and you feel they have turned a corner. If you are satisfied with the progress, 
you can try dropping the dose to 1 mg a day but monitor to see if you lose 
ground. If you do, get back to 2 mg a day.

I can't off-hand remember the Doxycycline dose. I will have to check that for 
you, but for that one, the vet probably knows.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: May-19-16 10:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood results 
and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half  later he is 
not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab )when he WAS 
eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye as well)  Vet 
initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+
cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX Others on the group have suggested 
uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent with this)... that said...  I have never 
been sure of the dosages being used with winstrol and Doxy  Those of you 
who are using this
protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ?   This would 
make the most sense to me...
I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes??  How about the Doxy??  
  Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm in asking... 
She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him well"...   Great 
idea if he would eat...  This was NOT a big problem until yesterday..AFTER the 
administration of the appetite Stimulant.. As this is the only change in his 
regimen I think it wise to DC the mirtazapine for the present ( opinions??) 
Thanks for any input...

Bob
Warwick NY
 
 
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>2. Re: Winstrol (Ardy Robertson)
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> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:20:46 -0500
> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
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>
> Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :)
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of kat
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>
>
> Ardy,
>
>
> The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said 
> "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
> time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been 
> to be so successful.
>
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
> From: "Ardy Robertson"  >
> To: 'Amy'  >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat 
> Sanctuary
>
> Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most 
> cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean 
> they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ardy
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Amy
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
> To: felineres...@frontier.com  ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: 
> Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>
>
> Lorrie,
>
>
> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a 
> no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to 
> find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the 
> groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home.
> We can keep the FIV positives at our building

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

So overwhelmingly heartbreaking, I am crying with you. I keep a journal of
Tucker's days too. I will be thinking of you both all day and sending
prayers for strength and peace for your heart.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marsha
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Sandy, I don't plan on seeing him again, except maybe when I am up to it,
to tell him how I felt.  I did write a review in HealthGrades on him.  The
one other person gave him 5 stars.  I keep a journal for each of my cats
(I use Microsoft OneNote), writing down cute things they did, or
interactions with other cats.  And when I am caring for a cat that is ill,
the journaling is daily...what they ate, when they ate, how they seem to
be feeling, physical activity, etc.  Noelle has her final appointment late
this afternoon, near the end of the vet's day so we can have an unhurried
time, not squeezed between. She is laying on the bed behind me right now.

I named my Noelle because I got her in December.  She was eating food at
the colony I cared for.  A little friendlier than normal feral, but I
don't think she'd ever lived indoors before, and when she was spayed, the
vet noted she had previously been pregnant. Possibly she had been a barn
cat, since I lived at the edge of town adjacent to two farms.  No one
claimed her.  She is probably related to several of my other cats,
including FeLV+ Milkdud, who passed away 2 years ago around this time.
Noelle tested negative for FeLV twice.  She was the first of the colony
that I took in. She is a calico, large patches of gray and orange tabby
over white.

Marsha

On 5/19/2016 10:03 AM, swacht wrote:
> Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd
> continue with this "counselor".  Would you be comfortable with keeping
> a daily journal - write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have
> a cat named Noelle) - write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling.
> For me, I found writing helped with my losses.  Please give it a try.
> Sandy W
>
> -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM
> To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
> Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you
> said you have assisted with transfusions.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Marsha, I'm so sorry.
>>
>> What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for
>> others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig
>> ditches, somewhere far from actual humans.
>>
>> Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are
>> struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told
>> you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again.
>> I'm surprised he didn't sing it :(
>>
>> Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this
>> ...man...hold?
>>
>> I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any
>> many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much
>> better place...
>>
>> Back after rounds
>>
>> Margo
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com>
>>> Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>>
>>> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on
>>> my plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he
>>> informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and
>>> animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks
>>> common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much,
>>> etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take
in, he said, "Good for you!"
>>> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement
>>> come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling
>>> more hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I
>>> don't need that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common
>>> sense is not a diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would
>>> you treat it?
>>> Plus
>>> I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this
>>> counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to
>>> care for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked
>>> common sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of
>>> depression.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[swacht]

Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd continue with 
this "counselor".  Would you be comfortable with keeping a daily journal - 
write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have a cat named Noelle) - 
write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling.

For me, I found writing helped with my losses.  Please give it a try.
Sandy W

-Original Message- 
From: Rachel Dagner

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM
To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you said you 
have assisted with transfusions.



Sent from my iPhone


On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:


Marsha, I'm so sorry.

What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. He 
does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, somewhere 
far from actual humans.


Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are struggling 
with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you to pic 
yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again. I'm surprised he 
didn't sing it :(


Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this 
...man...hold?


I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any many 
"common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much better 
place...


Back after rounds

Margo



-Original Message-

From: Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com>
Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my
plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me
that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said
he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way -
some drink too much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I
wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"
All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement
come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling more
hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I don't need
that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a
diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would you treat it?  Plus
I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this
counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care
for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked common
sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression.

Marsha



On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
Rachel

I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever 
thought one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for 
goodness sake??


My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats 
who would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I 
told her that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the 
ones who save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going 
to be the people who don't care about them. It will break your heart 
Rachel. There is no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have 
done a truly wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another 
unbelievably deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's 
love and devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to 
lose my babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely 
painful to me than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.


We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. 
This gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.


Amani



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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

[swacht]

Bob, Has Tobramycin been tried for the eyes??
Sandy W

-Original Message- 
From: Rachel Dagner

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

I think you need to try to syringe feed the way I mentioned to you, no
matter what you do with the other medications (I would maybe give the meds
you have a few more days if it were me). You can't let him them go without
eating for too long. Have you tried the eye wash? I would maybe use this
each time before you do the eye meds to wash out any gunk. You could do this
with the towel method on the counter, just like the syringe feeding.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood results
and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half  later he
is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab )when
he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye as well)
Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+
cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX Others on the group have suggested
uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent with this)... that said...  I have
never been sure of the dosages being used with winstrol and Doxy  Those
of you who are using this
protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ?   This
would make the most sense to me...
I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes??  How about the
Doxy??Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm in
asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him
well"...   Great idea if he would eat...  This was NOT a big problem until
yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant.. As this is
the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the mirtazapine for the
present ( opinions??) Thanks for any input...

Bob
Warwick NY


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Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:20:46 -0500
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Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :)


Ardy



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of kat
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary


Ardy,


The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said
"So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some
time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been
to be so successful.


Kat (Mew Jersey)

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson"  >
To: 'Amy'  >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat
Sanctuary

Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most
cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean
they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?


Thank you,

Ardy

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com  ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject:
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary


Lorrie,


That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a
no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to
find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the
groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home.
We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk
positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with
non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to
contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days
and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't
goi

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

[Rachel Dagner]

I think you need to try to syringe feed the way I mentioned to you, no
matter what you do with the other medications (I would maybe give the meds
you have a few more days if it were me). You can't let him them go without
eating for too long. Have you tried the eye wash? I would maybe use this
each time before you do the eye meds to wash out any gunk. You could do this
with the towel method on the counter, just like the syringe feeding.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood results
and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half  later he
is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab )when
he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye as well)
Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+
cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX Others on the group have suggested
uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent with this)... that said...  I have
never been sure of the dosages being used with winstrol and Doxy  Those
of you who are using this
protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ?   This
would make the most sense to me...
I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes??  How about the
Doxy??Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm in
asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him
well"...   Great idea if he would eat...  This was NOT a big problem until
yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant.. As this is
the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the mirtazapine for the
present ( opinions??) Thanks for any input...

Bob
Warwick NY


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> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:20:46 -0500
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> Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :)
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
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> Of kat
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>
>
> Ardy,
>
>
> The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said
> "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some
> time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been
> to be so successful.
>
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
> From: "Ardy Robertson"  >
> To: 'Amy'  >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat
> Sanctuary
>
> Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most
> cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean
> they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ardy
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Amy
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
> To: felineres...@frontier.com  ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject:
> Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>
>
> Lorrie,
>
>
> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a
> no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to
> find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the
> groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home.
> We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk
> positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with
> non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to
> co

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room.


Lorrie


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Hi Lorrie - I believe that is why I was keeping Tigger on an 
antibiotic - in
case he started getting something due to his immune system. I just 
wish I
would have used doxycycline rather than convenia. Amani can clarify a 
bit

perhaps.
Ardy



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Of

Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Does anyone know (Amani probably will) if an anabolic steroid also
compromises the cat's immune system as steroid like Prednisolone does?

Lorrie


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Marsha, I'm so sorry.
What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. 
He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, 
somewhere far from actual humans.


Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are 
struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you 
to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again. I'm 
surprised he didn't sing it :(


Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this 
...man...hold?


I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any 
many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much 
better place...


Back after rounds

Margo



-Original Message-

From: Marsha Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on 
my plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he 
informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals). 
Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense 
in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much, etc.  When I 
told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, 
"Good for you!"  All my brain processed was the word "good", which 
made his statement come across as highly judgemental.  I was more 
anxious and feeling more hopeless after I left.  Two things I was 
seeking help for.  I don't need that kind of help.  I am pretty sure 
that lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any way.  And even if 
it was, how would you treat it?  Plus I was very depressed and crying 
because the last time I saw this counselor was the day before Brock 
died, and I still have Noelle to care for (sinus cancer).  I would 
like to tell him that HE lacked common sense in saying such things to 
someone in the throes of depression.


Marsha


On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Rachel

I am just like you. I cry at 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you said you 
have assisted with transfusions. 


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> On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Marsha, I'm so sorry. 
> 
> What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. He 
> does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, somewhere far 
> from actual humans.
> 
> Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are struggling 
> with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you to pic yourself 
> up, dust yourself off and start all over again. I'm surprised he didn't sing 
> it :(
> 
> Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this 
> ...man...hold?
> 
> I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any many 
> "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much better 
> place...
> 
> Back after rounds
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-----
>> From: Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com>
>> Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my 
>> plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me 
>> that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said 
>> he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - 
>> some drink too much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I 
>> wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"  
>> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement 
>> come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling more 
>> hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I don't need 
>> that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a 
>> diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would you treat it?  Plus 
>> I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this 
>> counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care 
>> for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked common 
>> sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression.
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>> Rachel
>>> 
>>> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
>>> they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought 
>>> one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness 
>>> sake??
>>> 
>>> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
>>> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
>>> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who 
>>> save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the 
>>> people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is 
>>> no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly 
>>> wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably 
>>> deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and 
>>> devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my 
>>> babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me 
>>> than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
>>> 
>>> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
>>> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
>>> 
>>> Amani
>> 
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[Margo]

Marsha, I'm so sorry. 

What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. He does 
NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, somewhere far from 
actual humans.

Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are struggling with 
grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you to pic yourself up, dust 
yourself off and start all over again. I'm surprised he didn't sing it :(

Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this 
...man...hold?

I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any many 
"common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much better place...

Back after rounds

Margo



-Original Message-
>From: Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com>
>Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my 
>plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me 
>that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said 
>he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - 
>some drink too much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I 
>wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"  
>All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement 
>come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling more 
>hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I don't need 
>that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a 
>diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would you treat it?  Plus 
>I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this 
>counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care 
>for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked common 
>sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression.
>
>Marsha
>
>
>On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
>> Rachel
>>
>> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
>> they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought 
>> one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness 
>> sake??
>>
>> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
>> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
>> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who 
>> save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the 
>> people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is 
>> no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly 
>> wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably 
>> deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and 
>> devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, 
>> there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a 
>> poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
>>
>> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
>> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
>>
>> Amani
>
>
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[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Lorrie - I believe that is why I was keeping Tigger on an antibiotic - in
case he started getting something due to his immune system. I just wish I
would have used doxycycline rather than convenia. Amani can clarify a bit
perhaps.
Ardy



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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Does anyone know (Amani probably will) if an anabolic steroid also
compromises the cat's immune system as steroid like Prednisolone does?

Lorrie


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[Rachel Dagner]

Oh Marsha, you don't need that counselor anyways. We all understand why you 
spent money on your animals. We have all done it. No counselor is going to give 
us the love and emotional peace that an animal does. I would agree that we all 
need to step back and take and take a look at what is financially possible in 
each of our life situations with regards to helping our animals. It doesn't 
matter if we are rich or poor we just all do the best we can, I for one will 
support you no matter what. Just like with Bob we have to help him do the best 
he can with his circumstances.  It doesn't matter if he fails or succeeds with 
his babies. What matters is that he tried and did the best he could for them 
when no one else would and that they got to experience love and caring when 
they might never have had that opportunity. I am heartbroken knowing you are 
having such a hard time, I am right there with you, just trying to take one day 
at a time and make it through. We will both survive this Marsha,
  it's so very hard, but we are both going to get through it just doing the 
best we can. 
Please talk to us whenever you need to, I promise to be here for you. 

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> On May 18, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> 
> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my 
> plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that 
> I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said he loves 
> animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too 
> much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any 
> more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"  All my brain processed was 
> the word "good", which made his statement come across as highly judgemental.  
> I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless after I left.  Two things I was 
> seeking help for.  I don't need that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that 
> lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how 
> would you treat it?  Plus I was very depressed and crying because the last 
> time I saw this counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have 
> Noelle to care for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked 
> common sense 
 in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
>> On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
>> Rachel
>> 
>> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
>> they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought 
>> one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness 
>> sake??
>> 
>> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
>> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
>> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who 
>> save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the 
>> people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is 
>> no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly 
>> wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably 
>> deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and 
>> devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, 
>> there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a 
>> poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
>> 
>> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
>> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
>> 
>> Amani
> 
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[Amani Oakley]

What a complete and utter idiot.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
Sent: May-18-16 8:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my plate.  
During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that I lacked 
common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said he loves animals too, 
and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat 
too much, etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take 
in, he said, "Good for you!"  
All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement come 
across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless 
after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I don't need that kind of 
help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any 
way.  And even if it was, how would you treat it?  Plus I was very depressed 
and crying because the last time I saw this counselor was the day before Brock 
died, and I still have Noelle to care for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell 
him that HE lacked common sense in saying such things to someone in the throes 
of depression.

Marsha


On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
> Rachel
>
> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they 
> put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one 
> could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake??
>
> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save 
> them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people 
> who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no 
> avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful 
> wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little 
> sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this 
> earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all 
> more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw 
> any love or kindness.
>
> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
>
> Amani


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Marsha]

I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my 
plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me 
that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said 
he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - 
some drink too much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I 
wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"  
All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement 
come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling more 
hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I don't need 
that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a 
diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would you treat it?  Plus 
I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this 
counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care 
for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked common 
sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression.


Marsha


On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Rachel

I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they 
put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one could 
cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake??

My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save 
them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people who 
don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no avoiding it 
or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful wonderful thing 
and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little sweetheart who also 
should know someone's love and devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it 
kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and 
intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.

We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.

Amani



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[dlgegg]

I agree.  Someone has to care for them.  Would do the same for people, but they 
won't let an old woman tke in children.

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Rachel
> 
> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they 
> put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one 
> could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake??
> 
> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save 
> them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people 
> who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no 
> avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful 
> wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little 
> sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this 
> earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all 
> more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw 
> any love or kindness.
> 
> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
> 
> Amani 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM
> To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming 
> to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about 
> everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and 
> how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep 
> going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person 
> who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone 
> to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out 
> eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep 
> searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is 
> helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
> > tomorrow will be better.
> > 
> > All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
> > and ease the way.
> > 
> > My thoughts are with you. 
> > 
> > Margo
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> >> From: Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com>
> >> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> >> 
> >> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Lorrie
> >>> 
> >>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy 
> >>> was able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and 
> >>> the vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered 
> >>> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. 
> >>> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which 
> >>> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding 
> >>> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they 
> >>> carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you 
> >>> get the tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's 
> >>> one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. 
> >>> However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so 
> >>> again, this is an option.
> >>> 
> >>> Let us know when you find it. 
> >>> 
> >>> Amani
> >>> 
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> >>> Lorrie
> >>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
> >>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
>

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

I am quite ferocious when dealing with the defendants in my cases. No question 
about it - I am not popular on the other side of the table, but my clients are 
my biggest fans. However, I am reduced to a little puddle in other situations - 
especially dealing with defenceless animals.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: May-18-16 8:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

So funny, I am sure we would cry about the lamp together! Whenever we are are 
watching tv and anyone is crying for any reason at all Harry looks over at me 
and then rolls his eyes because I am crying too. And I think of you as the 
strongest one of us all, maybe there is hope for me yet! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Rachel
> 
> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they 
> put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one 
> could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake??
> 
> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save 
> them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people 
> who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no 
> avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful 
> wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little 
> sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this 
> earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all 
> more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw 
> any love or kindness.
> 
> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
> 
> Amani 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM
> To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming 
> to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about 
> everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and 
> how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep 
> going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person 
> who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone 
> to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out 
> eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep 
> searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is 
> helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
>> tomorrow will be better.
>> 
>> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
>> and ease the way.
>> 
>> My thoughts are with you. 
>> 
>> Margo
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com>
>>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>> 
>>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Lorrie
>>>> 
>>>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
>>>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the 
>>>> vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered 
>>>> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. 
>>>> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which 
>>>> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding 
>>>> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry 
>>>> Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the 
>>>> ta

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

So funny, I am sure we would cry about the lamp together! Whenever we are are 
watching tv and anyone is crying for any reason at all Harry looks over at me 
and then rolls his eyes because I am crying too. And I think of you as the 
strongest one of us all, maybe there is hope for me yet! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Rachel
> 
> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they 
> put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one 
> could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake??
> 
> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save 
> them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people 
> who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no 
> avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful 
> wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little 
> sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this 
> earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all 
> more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw 
> any love or kindness.
> 
> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
> 
> Amani 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM
> To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming 
> to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about 
> everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and 
> how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep 
> going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person 
> who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone 
> to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out 
> eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep 
> searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is 
> helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
>> tomorrow will be better.
>> 
>> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
>> and ease the way.
>> 
>> My thoughts are with you. 
>> 
>> Margo
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com>
>>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>> 
>>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Lorrie
>>>> 
>>>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
>>>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the 
>>>> vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered 
>>>> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. 
>>>> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which 
>>>> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding 
>>>> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry 
>>>> Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the 
>>>> tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one 
>>>> reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. 
>>>> However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so 
>>>> again, this is an option.
>>>> 
>>>> Let us know when you find it. 
>>>> 
>>>> Amani
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Rachel

I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they 
put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one could 
cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake??

My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save 
them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people who 
don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no avoiding it 
or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful wonderful thing 
and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little sweetheart who also 
should know someone's love and devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it 
kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and 
intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.

We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.

Amani 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM
To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming to 
terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about everyone 
on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and how 
wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep going. I 
know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person who can't 
watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone to a funeral 
without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out eyes the next day. 
I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep searching for and pulling 
on that inner strength, and everyone on here is helping me do that, I am very 
grateful for each and every one of you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
> tomorrow will be better.
> 
> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
> and ease the way.
> 
> My thoughts are with you. 
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com>
>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorrie
>>> 
>>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
>>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
>>> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly 
>>> to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I 
>>> used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy 
>>> for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary 
>>> pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol 
>>> (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. 
>>> They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go 
>>> for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously 
>>> it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
>>> 
>>> Let us know when you find it. 
>>> 
>>> Amani
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Lorrie
>>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
>>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>> 
>>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you 
>>> sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune 
>>> system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming to 
terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about everyone 
on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and how 
wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep going. I 
know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person who can't 
watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone to a funeral 
without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out eyes the next day. 
I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep searching for and pulling 
on that inner strength, and everyone on here is helping me do that, I am very 
grateful for each and every one of you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
> tomorrow will be better.
> 
> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
> and ease the way.
> 
> My thoughts are with you. 
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com>
>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorrie
>>> 
>>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
>>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
>>> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly 
>>> to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I 
>>> used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy 
>>> for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary 
>>> pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol 
>>> (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. 
>>> They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go 
>>> for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously 
>>> it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
>>> 
>>> Let us know when you find it. 
>>> 
>>> Amani
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Lorrie
>>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
>>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>> 
>>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you 
>>> sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune 
>>> system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Ok thank you for sharing that with me, he just came out here on the porch and 
started playing with a toy so maybe I am over paranoid. I think I will take him 
in regardless. Remember when I took him at first and she had a hard time 
hearing his heart and the next time she could hear it fine and thought the mass 
had shrunk down? Well maybe if she listens to his heart it will help me decide 
if I want more prednisone and talk to her about Winstrol. I just wish blood 
work wasn't $150 each time. And weekly? Ouch.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Rachel, I don't think it can "fix" cancer but I think it can help the 
> surrounding issues that accompany the cancer. I used it on a 16 year old cat 
> with a huge nasal sarcoma, and it kept her eating, putting a bit of weight on 
> her (she was a tiny fragile little feral cat who had been in our home since 
> she was a year old). The vet who was treating her cancer with radiation 
> therapy, was absolutely amazed regarding how well she was doing with this 
> giant tumour and the radiation therapy, etc. She lived to age 19. She was one 
> where we saw a very dramatic spike of her liver enzymes on the Winstrol - I 
> discontinued for a few weeks until the enzymes dropped back down to not so 
> bad levels - but there was never any sign of actual liver problems like 
> jaundice or cancer, etc. The vet who was looking supervising her care is a 
> good friend of ours who (a) knew not to argue with me and (b) knew of the 
> great results I had had with Zander. He is the head of oncology at the 
> leading vet university
>  programme in Canada. However, he agreed with my logic. Katrina was doomed 
> and the best we could do was to keep her as comfortable as possible for as 
> long as possible. He agreed there was little downside risk in trying the 
> Winstrol. The tumour shrunk BEFORE we ever tried the radiation therapy on 
> her, and he said that if we had gotten that result AFTER the radiation 
> therapy, he would have declared the radiation therapy a success. The tumour 
> didn't disappear of course, but definitely shrunk - probably a little bit of 
> anti-inflammatory effect. I had her on both the Winstrol and the prednisone.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-18-16 5:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
>> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to 
>> Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used 
>> and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me 
>> to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in 
>> your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). 
>> You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to 
>> cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - 
>> you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give 
>> a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
>> 
>> Let us know when you find it. 
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Lorrie
>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. 
>> I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I 
>> intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Margo]

I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
tomorrow will be better.

All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, and 
ease the way.

My thoughts are with you. 

Margo


-Original Message-
>From: Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com>
>Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
>> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to 
>> Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used 
>> and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me 
>> to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in 
>> your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). 
>> You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to 
>> cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - 
>> you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give 
>> a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
>> 
>> Let us know when you find it. 
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Lorrie
>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. 
>> I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I 
>> intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Rachel, I don't think it can "fix" cancer but I think it can help the 
surrounding issues that accompany the cancer. I used it on a 16 year old cat 
with a huge nasal sarcoma, and it kept her eating, putting a bit of weight on 
her (she was a tiny fragile little feral cat who had been in our home since she 
was a year old). The vet who was treating her cancer with radiation therapy, 
was absolutely amazed regarding how well she was doing with this giant tumour 
and the radiation therapy, etc. She lived to age 19. She was one where we saw a 
very dramatic spike of her liver enzymes on the Winstrol - I discontinued for a 
few weeks until the enzymes dropped back down to not so bad levels - but there 
was never any sign of actual liver problems like jaundice or cancer, etc. The 
vet who was looking supervising her care is a good friend of ours who (a) knew 
not to argue with me and (b) knew of the great results I had had with Zander. 
He is the head of oncology at the leading vet university program
 me in Canada. However, he agreed with my logic. Katrina was doomed and the 
best we could do was to keep her as comfortable as possible for as long as 
possible. He agreed there was little downside risk in trying the Winstrol. The 
tumour shrunk BEFORE we ever tried the radiation therapy on her, and he said 
that if we had gotten that result AFTER the radiation therapy, he would have 
declared the radiation therapy a success. The tumour didn't disappear of 
course, but definitely shrunk - probably a little bit of anti-inflammatory 
effect. I had her on both the Winstrol and the prednisone.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: May-18-16 5:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to 
> Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used 
> and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me to 
> give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in your 
> area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You 
> want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to cut 
> (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you 
> can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give a 
> single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
> 
> Let us know when you find it. 
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Lorrie
> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. 
> I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I 
> intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to 
> Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used 
> and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me to 
> give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in your 
> area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You 
> want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to cut 
> (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you 
> can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give a 
> single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
> 
> Let us know when you find it. 
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Lorrie
> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. 
> I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I 
> intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Lorrie

The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was able 
to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet could 
fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to Ardy. 
She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used and 
really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me to give. 
If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in your area and 
contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 
mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just 
crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a 
day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, 
so again, this is an option.

Let us know when you find it. 

Amani

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Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. I 
am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I 
intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!





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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Lorrie

I should add that when I got the original tablets, I got them from a vet for a 
cat who was diagnosed by the vet as having FIP. When I asked the vet what could 
be done, he basically told me nothing could be done for the cat. He prescribed 
the Winstrol and told me that it would help with appetite and keeping the cat's 
strength up. I had never heard of Winstrol and had no idea what it was. That 
was probably in the mid to late 90's. The poor cat didn't make it more than a 
few more days and I had just filled the prescription but didn't have time to 
give him any of it. The vial full of pills sat in my drawer where I keep all 
the animal medications (and no, I never throw any away - if faced with a very 
sick cat found on the side of the road on a Saturday evening of a long weekend, 
my perspective has always been something is better than nothing - too many bad 
experiences where I had to wait to take in a sick animal). So, all I knew about 
Winstrol was that it was something that might 
 help with appetite and overall wellbeing. When we had tried everything to 
reverse the persistent non-regenerative anemia and other FeLV effects for my 
darling little Zander, and blood transfusions were no longer a possibility 
because he had had a transfusion reaction, I literally opened up my drawer and 
went through everything I had and the only thing was this Winstrol and I 
figured, "what the hell!" - my baby was dying and nothing was working.

You could have knocked me over with a feather when I started seeing some 
pinkening in his ivory white gums and inner ears, in a few days. I figured I 
was desperate and hallucinating, but my husband thought he saw it too. And the 
weekly blood results I was running, showed a small increase in his haematocrit 
from 10 to 12 and still we were obviously skeptical. I mean, how likely is it 
that something rolling around in my drawer for a decade could do what none of 
the vets said was possible - to turn back on his bone marrow to get red cells 
produced again?

Only after my weekly blood work and Zander recovering fully from a state that 
every vet said was the end of the road - the virus having infiltrated his bone 
marrow and the bone marrow now being filled with infected cells that cannot 
produce red cells or other blood cells - did I allow myself to believe that 
this might well be a treatment option. Winstrol seems to be able to allow the 
body to begin producing good cells again. As far as I can see, having looked at 
this from many many different angles as I tried to understand it scientifically 
and medically, there is no other explanation that fits other than that the 
Winstrol can possibly turn back on the bone marrow and allow the bone marrow to 
start producing normal haematopoetic cells again, which are the progenitor 
cells that make red cells, white cells and platelets. I feel substantiated in 
my conclusion, by the fact that Winstrol is used in humans to treat difficult 
to treat anemias. In the entry on WikiHow, it also states
  that it is "commonly used by veterinarians on debilitated animals (especially 
dogs and horses) to improve muscle growth, trigger red cell production, 
increase bone density and enhance appetite". I don't agree that it is "commonly 
used", but clearly the vet who originally gave it to me was providing it 
precisely because my cat was "debilitated" and for no other reason.

Obviously, its propensity to increase red cell production, increase bone 
density, bulk up a debilitated animal and increase appetite, are all 
characteristics we desperately need in our fight against FeLV, and I would 
guess that it is quite compatible with other forms of treatment if someone were 
to add to other things they were trying.

Because of its ability to make a sick cat feel better, increase appetite, bulk 
up a thin, fragile cat, etc., this is the reason I have used in so many other 
situations other than just FeLV, and as I have posted many times, I have gotten 
very good results in most situations. Generally speaking, it helps heal damaged 
tissue (like a spinal lesion in one cat, and a torn knee ligament in Zander) 
and that's obviously one of the reasons that athletes use it too.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: May-18-16 3:05 PM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

No it doesn't Lorrie. It is a different kind of steroid, not a corticosteroid. 
It is an anabolic steroid which literally means building up - it causes an 
increase in chemical reactions that synthesize molecules into the complex 
structures of tissue - ie - it builds up muscle, tissue, etc.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: May-18-16 1:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wi

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

No it doesn't Lorrie. It is a different kind of steroid, not a corticosteroid. 
It is an anabolic steroid which literally means building up - it causes an 
increase in chemical reactions that synthesize molecules into the complex 
structures of tissue - ie - it builds up muscle, tissue, etc.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: May-18-16 1:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Does anyone know (Amani probably will) if an anabolic steroid also compromises 
the cat's immune system as steroid like Prednisolone does?

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Lorrie]

Does anyone know (Amani probably will) if an anabolic steroid also
compromises the cat's immune system as steroid like Prednisolone
does?

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Bob,
After having just gone through this with my Tigger, I wholeheartedly agree with 
the treatment options Amani is outlining. And better to get started very very 
soon!
Ardy



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 7:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Hi Bob

As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only 
suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's 
eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but 
it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect 
contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with 
the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to 
soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this with the 
antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.

If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and 
there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce any 
inflammation and that may help.

Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of 
sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the 
Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not 
all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be 
done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or 
non-regenerative.

At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral 
reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV 
virus.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are any of 
you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering 
it Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard 
to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular 
anabolics used by body builders and athletes??

Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( 
other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection)   I 
recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter where I 
volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in isolation in 
a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not 
been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was 
eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI  Last week he 
developed some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and what appear to be burst 
capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular 
visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the 
cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that 
vet offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to 
FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment wi
 th Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I think 
the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him 
elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on 
the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to 
detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted 
rate)   This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading 
vocaciously   I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep 
my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them...   I'm already 
providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love 
and attention than they ever would have known.  Still his eye looks " 
angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain..Making an 
appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and 
Platelets Gums appear to still be red and his paw pads have not 
 gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he is not severely anemic But have NO 
idea what might have caused the blood in his eye.  also there is some clear 
discharge which I wipe away several times during the day... Any 
thoughts welcome...

Bob
Warwick NY

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Hello everyone,
I would like to add that if I faced this again, I would also add some
pro-biotics due to being on antibiotics (doxycycline)..I found an
inexpensive capsule and I just opened it and put the powder in his wet food.
There is no medication name on the prescription bottle though.

Thank you,
Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Hi Robert, 

I am so glad you saved those babies. It really stinks that you are having
problems so soon. 

You have come to the right place to get the support and help you need.

I am trying to help Amani set up a web site where we can track the outcomes
of those who use Winstrol. List vets that have used it in the past. And also
the compounding pharmacies that supply it. We don't have a website guru on
here that I know of so I am just in the research stages of figuring out the
best option. 

My kitty Tucker has cancer so that is what I am dealing with right now. But
I can tell you if I find myself with another Felv kitty what I would do the
next time.

As we all know, after getting the diagnosis, and spending  hours on line,
researching, some of us (me) crying while doing it. There are three bad
things that could possibly happen. Chronic infections, cancer, and anemia.
So I have decided my new favorite saying will be "an ounce of prevention is
worth a pound of cure". The thing I would do above all else is find
something to boost the immunity, and I would give it all of the time in
sickness and in health. There are a lot of quality companies out there who
sell good products I use Pet Wellbeing's Life Gold now for Tucker. Another
thing I would do is give my kitty curcumin. It is a proven cancer fighter
and has many other health benefits as well. I even read a research document
that showed it helped reduce the occurrence and size of struvite crystals (
which has always been a concern for me). I read research that shows kitties
absorb it better than humans or dogs so they get even more benefit from it.
I am using one from Thorn  e Research for pets. The other thing I would do
is find something which protects against anemia (I haven't found it yet as I
have just started looking into options). Blackstrap molasses is what I have
found with awesome results for humans, but I only found one place that
mentioned it for cats, which is not good enough so the search continues. 

As far as the uti, unfortunately they can be chronic in even non felv cats.
I am using two products with Tucker who has always had issues, one is NVH
Tripsy and my newest find is Solid Gold Berry Balance. So if you keep having
problems you might want to look into a preventative for that as well.

Good luck finding your new vet, maybe you can check Yelp or ask friends and
neighbors, you don't want to spend your money and end up with another dud. 

Rachel
Sent from my iPhone



Sent from my iPhone
> On May 16, 2016, at 2:30 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are any
of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you
administering it
> Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with
regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more
popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes??
> 
> Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties (
other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection)
I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter
where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in
isolation in a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as
one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until
recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic
URI  Last week he developed some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and
what appear to be burst capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to
pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as
I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance
companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just
said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic
Ocular Ointment 
 with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I
think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take
him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if
I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter
are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a
very discounted rate)   This is my 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Margo]

-Original Message-
>From: Jane Gannon <strayc...@roadrunner.com>
>Sent: May 17, 2016 12:42 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>It is possible he has uveitis which is inflamation of the eye.  It is very 
>serious and painful, can cause blindness, and is treated with eye ointment 
>with steroids.  Research it on line, you can find pictures.  The eyeball 
>can even become swollen and bulge.  It can have a brownish  spot on it. 
>Cloudiness is probably an eye ulcer. I have had 2 positives that have had 
>this and it will clear up with treatment  but it can come back.  They were 
>put on metacam for the pain and also for the inflamation along with an 
>ointment containing cortisone.  It is serious.   Follow instructions for how 
>often to do the ointment.
>
>Jane
>- Original Message - 
>From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
>To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>
>> Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing it in 
>> the corner of my eye when it itches.  My cats eat it all the time so it 
>> shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye.  would oothe it.
>>  Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Bob
>>>
>>> As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can 
>>> only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with 
>>> rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is 
>>> mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of 
>>> disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put into 
>>> your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens solution 
>>> multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the eye and 
>>> address some infections. You can alternate this with the 
>>> antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.
>>>
>>> If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low 
>>> and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help 
>>> reduce any inflammation and that may help.
>>>
>>> Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of 
>>> sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the 
>>> Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are 
>>> not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count 
>>> to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is 
>>> regenerative or non-regenerative.
>>>
>>> At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with 
>>> viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of 
>>> the FeLV virus.
>>>
>>> Amani
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> ROBERT CHAPEL
>>> Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
>>> threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are 
>>> any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
>>> administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback 
>>> from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it 
>>> is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and 
>>> athletes??
>>>
>>> Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties 
>>> ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus 
>>> infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) 
>>> from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their 
>>> living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT 
>>> more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I 
>>> brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing 
>>> mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness 
>>> in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet 
>>> ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go 
>>> broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are 
>>> uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet 
>>> off

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Jane Gannon]

It is possible he has uveitis which is inflamation of the eye.  It is very 
serious and painful, can cause blindness, and is treated with eye ointment 
with steroids.  Research it on line, you can find pictures.  The eyeball 
can even become swollen and bulge.  It can have a brownish  spot on it. 
Cloudiness is probably an eye ulcer. I have had 2 positives that have had 
this and it will clear up with treatment  but it can come back.  They were 
put on metacam for the pain and also for the inflamation along with an 
ointment containing cortisone.  It is serious.   Follow instructions for how 
often to do the ointment.


Jane
- Original Message - 
From: <dlg...@windstream.net>

To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing it in 
the corner of my eye when it itches.  My cats eat it all the time so it 
shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye.  would oothe it.

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:

Hi Bob

As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can 
only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with 
rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is 
mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of 
disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put into 
your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens solution 
multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the eye and 
address some infections. You can alternate this with the 
antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.


If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low 
and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help 
reduce any inflammation and that may help.


Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of 
sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the 
Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are 
not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count 
to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is 
regenerative or non-regenerative.


At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with 
viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of 
the FeLV virus.


Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are 
any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback 
from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it 
is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and 
athletes??


Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties 
( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus 
infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) 
from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their 
living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT 
more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I 
brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing 
mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness 
in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet 
( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go 
broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are 
uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet 
offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to 
FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with 
Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think 
the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him 
elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I 
go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter 
are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get 
a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I 
have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ 
heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY 
discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than 
they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever 
would have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way 
to tell if it is causing him pain.. Making an appt. to have blood 
work done t

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[dlgegg]

RE:  UTI  I took Harley to vet, but also started adding Bragg's raw vinegar to 
both of the water fountains.  He also had sturvite crystals.  Crystals and uti 
have never come back.

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> Hi Robert, 
> 
> I am so glad you saved those babies. It really stinks that you are having 
> problems so soon. 
> 
> You have come to the right place to get the support and help you need.
> 
> I am trying to help Amani set up a web site where we can track the outcomes 
> of those who use Winstrol. List vets that have used it in the past. And also 
> the compounding pharmacies that supply it. We don't have a website guru on 
> here that I know of so I am just in the research stages of figuring out the 
> best option. 
> 
> My kitty Tucker has cancer so that is what I am dealing with right now. But I 
> can tell you if I find myself with another Felv kitty what I would do the 
> next time.
> 
> As we all know, after getting the diagnosis, and spending  hours on line, 
> researching, some of us (me) crying while doing it. There are three bad 
> things that could possibly happen. Chronic infections, cancer, and anemia. So 
> I have decided my new favorite saying will be "an ounce of prevention is 
> worth a pound of cure". The thing I would do above all else is find something 
> to boost the immunity, and I would give it all of the time in sickness and in 
> health. There are a lot of quality companies out there who sell good products 
> I use Pet Wellbeing's Life Gold now for Tucker. Another thing I would do is 
> give my kitty curcumin. It is a proven cancer fighter and has many other 
> health benefits as well. I even read a research document that showed it 
> helped reduce the occurrence and size of struvite crystals ( which has always 
> been a concern for me). I read research that shows kitties absorb it better 
> than humans or dogs so they get even more benefit from it. I am using one 
> from Tho
 rn
>  e Research for pets. The other thing I would do is find something which 
> protects against anemia (I haven't found it yet as I have just started 
> looking into options). Blackstrap molasses is what I have found with awesome 
> results for humans, but I only found one place that mentioned it for cats, 
> which is not good enough so the search continues. 
> 
> As far as the uti, unfortunately they can be chronic in even non felv cats. I 
> am using two products with Tucker who has always had issues, one is NVH 
> Tripsy and my newest find is Solid Gold Berry Balance. So if you keep having 
> problems you might want to look into a preventative for that as well.
> 
> Good luck finding your new vet, maybe you can check Yelp or ask friends and 
> neighbors, you don't want to spend your money and end up with another dud. 
> 
> Rachel  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On May 16, 2016, at 2:30 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
> > threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are 
> > any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
> > administering it
> > Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with 
> > regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more 
> > popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes??
> > 
> > Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( 
> > other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection)  
> >  I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter 
> > where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in 
> > isolation in a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated 
> > as one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until 
> > recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic 
> > URI  Last week he developed some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and 
> > what appear to be burst capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to 
> > pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as 
> > I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance 
> > companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just 
> > said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple 
> > Antibiotic Ocular Ointmen
 t 
>  with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I 
> think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him 
> elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go 
> on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are 
> privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very 
> discounted rate)   This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been 
> reading vocaciously   I am not one 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[dlgegg]

Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing it in the 
corner of my eye when it itches.  My cats eat it all the time so it shouldn't 
hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye.  would oothe it.
 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Hi Bob
> 
> As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only 
> suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's 
> eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but 
> it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect 
> contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes 
> with the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often 
> helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this 
> with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.
> 
> If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and 
> there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce 
> any inflammation and that may help.
> 
> Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of 
> sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the 
> Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not 
> all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be 
> done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or 
> non-regenerative.
> 
> At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral 
> reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV 
> virus.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> 
> I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
> threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are any 
> of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
> administering it Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from 
> vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of 
> the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes??
> 
> Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( 
> other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection)   
> I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter 
> where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in 
> isolation in a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as 
> one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until 
> recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic 
> URI  Last week he developed some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and what 
> appear to be burst capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay 
> for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I 
> might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance 
> companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just 
> said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic 
> Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp).  
> Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have 
> to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx 
> suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and 
> only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little 
> as they get a very discounted rate)   This is my first experience with 
> FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously   I am not one who is going to 
> employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY 
> discomfort to them...   I'm already providing them a much better life than 
> they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would 
> have known.  Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell 
> if it is causing him pain..    Making an appt. to have blood work done to 
> get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still be red 
> and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he is not 
> severely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused the blood in his 
> eye.  also there is some clear discharge which I wipe away several times 
> during the day... Any thoughts welcome...
> 
> Bob
> Warwick NY
> 
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 01:00 P

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Bob

As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only 
suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's 
eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but 
it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect 
contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with 
the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to 
soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this with the 
antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.

If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and 
there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce any 
inflammation and that may help.

Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of 
sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the 
Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not 
all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be 
done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or 
non-regenerative.

At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral 
reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV 
virus.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are any of 
you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering 
it Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard 
to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular 
anabolics used by body builders and athletes??

Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( 
other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection)   I 
recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter where I 
volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in isolation in 
a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not 
been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was 
eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI  Last week he 
developed some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and what appear to be burst 
capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular 
visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the 
cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that 
vet offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to 
FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and 
Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I think the guy hardly even 
looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime 
again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is 
presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations 
and even then very little as they get a very discounted rate)   This is my 
first experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously   I am not 
one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they 
won't cause ANY discomfort to them...   I'm already providing them a much 
better life than they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than 
they ever would have known.  Still his eye looks " angry " and I have 
no way to tell if it is causing him pain..    Making an appt. to have blood 
work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to 
still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he 
is not severely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused the blood in 
his eye.  also there is some clear discharge which I wipe away several 
times during the day... Any thoughts welcome...

Bob
Warwick NY

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[Rachel Dagner]

Hi Robert, 

I am so glad you saved those babies. It really stinks that you are having 
problems so soon. 

You have come to the right place to get the support and help you need.

I am trying to help Amani set up a web site where we can track the outcomes of 
those who use Winstrol. List vets that have used it in the past. And also the 
compounding pharmacies that supply it. We don't have a website guru on here 
that I know of so I am just in the research stages of figuring out the best 
option. 

My kitty Tucker has cancer so that is what I am dealing with right now. But I 
can tell you if I find myself with another Felv kitty what I would do the next 
time.

As we all know, after getting the diagnosis, and spending  hours on line, 
researching, some of us (me) crying while doing it. There are three bad things 
that could possibly happen. Chronic infections, cancer, and anemia. So I have 
decided my new favorite saying will be "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound 
of cure". The thing I would do above all else is find something to boost the 
immunity, and I would give it all of the time in sickness and in health. There 
are a lot of quality companies out there who sell good products I use Pet 
Wellbeing's Life Gold now for Tucker. Another thing I would do is give my kitty 
curcumin. It is a proven cancer fighter and has many other health benefits as 
well. I even read a research document that showed it helped reduce the 
occurrence and size of struvite crystals ( which has always been a concern for 
me). I read research that shows kitties absorb it better than humans or dogs so 
they get even more benefit from it. I am using one from Thorn
 e Research for pets. The other thing I would do is find something which 
protects against anemia (I haven't found it yet as I have just started looking 
into options). Blackstrap molasses is what I have found with awesome results 
for humans, but I only found one place that mentioned it for cats, which is not 
good enough so the search continues. 

As far as the uti, unfortunately they can be chronic in even non felv cats. I 
am using two products with Tucker who has always had issues, one is NVH Tripsy 
and my newest find is Solid Gold Berry Balance. So if you keep having problems 
you might want to look into a preventative for that as well.

Good luck finding your new vet, maybe you can check Yelp or ask friends and 
neighbors, you don't want to spend your money and end up with another dud. 

Rachel  
Sent from my iPhone



Sent from my iPhone
> On May 16, 2016, at 2:30 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
> threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are any 
> of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
> administering it
> Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard 
> to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular 
> anabolics used by body builders and athletes??
> 
> Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( 
> other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection)   
> I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter 
> where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in 
> isolation in a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as 
> one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until 
> recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic 
> URI  Last week he developed some cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and what 
> appear to be burst capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay 
> for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I 
> might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance 
> companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just 
> said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic 
> Ocular Ointment 
 with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I think 
the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him 
elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on 
the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to 
detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted 
rate)   This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading 
vocaciously   I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep 
my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them...   I'm already 
providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love 
and attention than they ever would have known.  Still his eye looks " 
angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain..Making an 
appt. to have blood work done to get a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Robert

Yes - I have been posting for some time regarding the Winstrol/Doxy 
combination, and I have already stated that it is my belief that the reason 
that the vets (and human doctors) are so negative about Winstrol is that it is 
associated with doping scandals in sports. It's beyond stupid, in my view.  All 
kinds of medication can be abused, but at the rate that athletes use Winstrol, 
they would have to take 100 or 1000 2 mg tablets EVERY DAY, because they use it 
at 1000 times doses recommended for human use. And by the way, they are pretty 
much fine, even at those doses. If you do the research, you will find what I 
have found - there are no credible scientific findings linking use of Winstrol 
in athletes - even at those levels - with heart disease, liver disease, or even 
"roid rage", for goodness sakes. This is one of the reasons athletes stopped 
listening to the medical/scientific community about the dangers of 
performance-enhancing steroids. The athletes are taking them at levels at 
astronomically high levels and they should be quite dead if they were that 
dangerous. They continue to take them because they DO enhance strength, muscle, 
endurance, etc. There are some side effects like light facial hair growth, 
etc., but nothing like the scare-mongering you hear from the medical and 
scientific communities.

And so, our cats are being denied these effective anabolic steroids like 
Winstrol because Canadian Ben Johnson was stripped of his Olympic Gold Medal in 
the 1988 Summer Olympics for testing positive for it! When my mom was 
deteriorating badly from cancer, again my research showed that Winstrol can 
build muscle mass, increase appetite, increase red cell production (she was 
very anemic), and the palliative doctor said, "That's the Ben Johnson steroid." 
He then went on to say that as a palliative doctor, his job was to neither 
hasten death nor to slow it down, and giving my mom Winstrol would slow it 
down. You'd think that would be a good thing, but apparently not.

Scientists won't research it for the same reason. It is just the most bizarre 
situation, when the alternative is death. I can tell you that my experience 
with Winstrol is what really opened my eyes to the fact that we are naïve to 
believe that when we get sick (or our cats do), that the doctors/vets know all 
the credible available options and will let you know of them so you can make an 
informed choice. With my cat, I stumbled onto the use of Winstrol after trying 
interferon, LTCI, blood transfusions - all of which cost me more than $10,000. 
Winstrol costs very very little and was much more effective than all the other 
treatments I had attempted. My cat was dying, I was out of options and yet no 
one told me about Winstrol. When I tried the Winstrol (which I had in my 
cupboard for years for another cat) and got the great response that I did, I 
thought I had "discovered" a new use for it. I then told the internal medicine 
specialist who had basically told me that there were no more options for 
Zander, he told me that I had gone "old school", and they used to use Winstrol 
years before but stopped when it was believed that it caused liver damage. No 
one had looked again at it after the Ben Johnson scandal. 

I have used it for cats with FIP, with a spinal lesion, with nasal sarcoma (in 
a 16 year old cat), ligament injury in the knee which required surgery (but 
didn’t after use of the Winstrol) and now I am using it on a cat with puffy 
pads (pillow pads) which I just discovered was due to a proliferation of plasma 
cells, probably related to either a FeLV or a FIP infection. The only 
circumstance I have used it where it didn’t help me at all was in a cat with 
renal failure and after her death, I figured out that she had probably 
contracted feline morbillivirus from the vet clinic, which caused 
tubulointerstitial nephritis. (I knew it was something infectious because two 
of my cats came down with a serious illness after I had taken both in at the 
same time to the vets. One pulled through. One rallied for a while and I 
thought we had beaten whatever it was, but she got sick again and we discovered 
her creatinine was sky high and she died despite everything we tried.)

Amani



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are any of 
you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering 
it Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard 
to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular 
anabolics used by body builders and athletes??

Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the 
threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination...   Are 
any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you 
administering it
Sub Q, IM or orally??   Also wondering if the pushback from vets with 
regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the 
more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes??


Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties 
( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus 
infection)   I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) 
from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their 
living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure)..   I bit off a LOT 
more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I 
brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing 
mightily despite a chronic URI  Last week he developed some 
cloudiness in his  L eye lenses and what appear to be burst 
capillaries  The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this 
particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might 
be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance 
companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of 
DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed 
Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( 
running 103.2 temp).  Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at 
my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again 
to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is 
presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed 
explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted 
rate)   This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been 
reading vocaciously   I am not one who is going to employ heroic 
measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to 
them...   I'm already providing them a much better life than they might 
have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have 
known.  Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell 
if it is causing him pain..    Making an appt. to have blood work 
done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to 
still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am hopeful 
that he is not severely anemic But have NO idea what might have 
caused the blood in his eye.  also there is some clear discharge 
which I wipe away several times during the day... Any thoughts 
welcome...


Bob
Warwick NY

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GOOD VET!

 Rachel Dagner  wrote:
When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg 
and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he 
didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me if 
I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside too. 
We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he 
could live three months or a long normal life there was just no 
telling. She never even said the word euthanize.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   wrote:

I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or 
keep Annie, treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and 
never returned if he only had one solution.  Find another vet.



 Ardy Robertson  wrote:

Hello,

If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help 
people, especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. 
Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you 
are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My vets 
even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring them 
in that day for euthanizing!  I said ?no?!  If there was a 

Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Margo,
That's just what I call this email forum on FeLV...the one we are on. :)
Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 6:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol


What is the FeLV chatline?

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
>Sent: Apr 27, 2016 11:28 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol
>
>Thanks!! I hope so too. I wrote a longer note to the FeLV chatline, but 
>I guess it is too long. I didn't know there was a limit in size. The 
>moderator is checking it out. If it doesn't go through, I will send a 
>few shorter notes detailing Tigg's progress while on the Winstrol and 
>Prednisolone...like I said in that note, without the Winstrol, we 
>would have lost him in March.
>
>Thank you,
>Ardy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:38 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol
>
>may be full time job, but they are worth it!  glad Tigger is responding 
>well.  hope he continues improving.
>
> Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
>> Hi Jane
>> 
>> I am going to leave all the details for Ardy to report, but I can 
>> indicate
>that Tigger is definitely responding well to the Winstrol so far. I 
>don't want to put words in her mouth, so I will leave the rest for Ardy 
>to speak about when she has a moment. (As we all know, it is almost a 
>full-time job looking after one of our sick babies!).
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>Jane Gannon
>> Sent: April-26-16 8:37 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol
>> 
>> Hi Ardy,
>> 
>> I have not been receiving emails since March.  How has the winstrol 
>> been
>working for your cat?
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>>
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>> 
>> Virus-free.
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>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

[Margo]

What is the FeLV chatline?

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
>Sent: Apr 27, 2016 11:28 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol
>
>Thanks!! I hope so too. I wrote a longer note to the FeLV chatline, but I
>guess it is too long. I didn't know there was a limit in size. The moderator
>is checking it out. If it doesn't go through, I will send a few shorter
>notes detailing Tigg's progress while on the Winstrol and
>Prednisolone...like I said in that note, without the Winstrol, we would
>have lost him in March.
>
>Thank you,
>Ardy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:38 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol
>
>may be full time job, but they are worth it!  glad Tigger is responding
>well.  hope he continues improving.
>
> Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
>> Hi Jane
>> 
>> I am going to leave all the details for Ardy to report, but I can indicate
>that Tigger is definitely responding well to the Winstrol so far. I don't
>want to put words in her mouth, so I will leave the rest for Ardy to speak
>about when she has a moment. (As we all know, it is almost a full-time job
>looking after one of our sick babies!).
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Jane Gannon
>> Sent: April-26-16 8:37 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol
>> 
>> Hi Ardy,
>> 
>> I have not been receiving emails since March.  How has the winstrol been
>working for your cat?
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Thanks!! I hope so too. I wrote a longer note to the FeLV chatline, but I
guess it is too long. I didn't know there was a limit in size. The moderator
is checking it out. If it doesn't go through, I will send a few shorter
notes detailing Tigg's progress while on the Winstrol and
Prednisolone...like I said in that note, without the Winstrol, we would
have lost him in March.

Thank you,
Ardy

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dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

may be full time job, but they are worth it!  glad Tigger is responding
well.  hope he continues improving.

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Hi Jane
> 
> I am going to leave all the details for Ardy to report, but I can indicate
that Tigger is definitely responding well to the Winstrol so far. I don't
want to put words in her mouth, so I will leave the rest for Ardy to speak
about when she has a moment. (As we all know, it is almost a full-time job
looking after one of our sick babies!).
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Jane Gannon
> Sent: April-26-16 8:37 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol
> 
> Hi Ardy,
> 
> I have not been receiving emails since March.  How has the winstrol been
working for your cat?
> 
> Jane
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

[dlgegg]

may be full time job, but they are worth it!  glad Tigger is responding well.  
hope he continues improving.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Hi Jane
> 
> I am going to leave all the details for Ardy to report, but I can indicate 
> that Tigger is definitely responding well to the Winstrol so far. I don't 
> want to put words in her mouth, so I will leave the rest for Ardy to speak 
> about when she has a moment. (As we all know, it is almost a full-time job 
> looking after one of our sick babies!).
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane 
> Gannon
> Sent: April-26-16 8:37 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol
> 
> Hi Ardy,
> 
> I have not been receiving emails since March.  How has the winstrol been 
> working for your cat?
> 
> Jane
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Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

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Hi Jane

I am going to leave all the details for Ardy to report, but I can indicate that 
Tigger is definitely responding well to the Winstrol so far. I don't want to 
put words in her mouth, so I will leave the rest for Ardy to speak about when 
she has a moment. (As we all know, it is almost a full-time job looking after 
one of our sick babies!).

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane 
Gannon
Sent: April-26-16 8:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol

Hi Ardy,

I have not been receiving emails since March.  How has the winstrol been 
working for your cat?

Jane

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Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

[dlgegg]

I HAVENT GOTTEN ANYTHING SINCE 1ST OF MARCH EITHER.

 Jane Gannon  wrote: 
> Hi Ardy,
> 
> I have not been receiving emails since March.  How has the winstrol been 
> working for your cat?
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

[Holly S]

I have a felv cat who was experiencing seizures twice per month.  They were 
fairly violent lasting about one minute.
Afterwards, she was so exhausted, she just wanted her food and water and a safe 
place to rest.
I got her on phenobarbital 15mg (half a pill twice per day) and she hasn't had 
a seizure in almost 2 years.
I keep her environment clean and provide her a good quality dry and wet food 
and lots of fresh water.
Hope this helps.



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 Original message 
From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Date: 2015-12-21 12:31 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

Stanozolol.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: December-21-15 11:06 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

I believe Drs. Foster & Smith - on-line company has the generic - name begins 
with an "s"


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Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:49:43 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol

I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US.  
Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information 
Network (VIN) that he uses.  He is familiar with the drug and said it was used 
years ago.  In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people 
were breaking in and stealing it.  He said horse people who were not even 
clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it.  He said he would try and 
get it for me if I wanted to try it.  But he can't answer any of my questions 
about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is 
on depo medrol.  So far all my positives have developed other problems that 
they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia.

I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old  today who has 
FIP.  Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis.  Has anyone 
else had any of these problems.

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Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

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Hi Jane

So much for the theory that they discontinued the use of Winstrol because it 
was ineffective. It is used in horses to make them stronger and faster if they 
are racing horses, but a study done in sheep also found that Winstrol also 
repairs knee cartilage and other damage to injured joints. (This is something I 
can also attest to, as I used it with Zander, when at the age of 6, he pulled a 
ligament in his knee that was expected to require surgery.)

The break-ins were probably a symptom of the fact that Winstrol availability 
dropped dramatically after 1988 when the Ben Johnson scandal hit.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane 
Gannon
Sent: December-21-15 10:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol

I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US.  
Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information 
Network (VIN) that he uses.  He is familiar with the drug and said it was used 
years ago.  In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people 
were breaking in and stealing it.  He said horse people who were not even 
clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it.  He said he would try and 
get it for me if I wanted to try it.  But he can't answer any of my questions 
about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is 
on depo medrol.  So far all my positives have developed other problems that 
they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia.

I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old  today who has 
FIP.  Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis.  Has anyone 
else had any of these problems.

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Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

[Sandy]

Thanks 

- Original Message -

From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 12:31:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol 



Stanozolol. 

  

Amani 

  

  

  


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy 
Sent: December-21-15 11:06 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol 


  


I believe Drs. Foster & Smith - on-line company has the generic - name begins 
with an "s" 


  
- Original Message -



From: "Jane Gannon" < strayc...@roadrunner.com > 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:49:43 AM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol 


  


I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US.  
Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information 
Network (VIN) that he uses.  He is familiar with the drug and said it was used 
years ago.  In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people 
were breaking in and stealing it.  He said horse people who were not even 
clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it.  He said he would try and 
get it for me if I wanted to try it.  But he can't answer any of my questions 
about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is 
on depo medrol.  So far all my positives have developed other problems that 
they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. 


  


I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old  today who has 
FIP.  Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis.  Has anyone 
else had any of these problems. 


  




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[dlgegg]

I think it would be a good idea to get some online or where ever, just in case. 
 I think someone said earlier that it has a long shelf life.  
It helps arthritis  and helps repair joint damage - I know I am going to get 
some for myself.  Iam waiting for someone in the US to start doing work with 
stem cells for joint damage, at least a dr, in my area.  It would be much 
better than knee replacement.  Amani, do you know how much I would need to take 
for my knees? And not abuse it.


   -- Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Hi Jane
> 
> So much for the theory that they discontinued the use of Winstrol because it 
> was ineffective. It is used in horses to make them stronger and faster if 
> they are racing horses, but a study done in sheep also found that Winstrol 
> also repairs knee cartilage and other damage to injured joints. (This is 
> something I can also attest to, as I used it with Zander, when at the age of 
> 6, he pulled a ligament in his knee that was expected to require surgery.)
> 
> The break-ins were probably a symptom of the fact that Winstrol availability 
> dropped dramatically after 1988 when the Ben Johnson scandal hit.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane 
> Gannon
> Sent: December-21-15 10:50 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol
> 
> I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US. 
>  Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information 
> Network (VIN) that he uses.  He is familiar with the drug and said it was 
> used years ago.  In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because 
> people were breaking in and stealing it.  He said horse people who were not 
> even clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it.  He said he would 
> try and get it for me if I wanted to try it.  But he can't answer any of my 
> questions about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart 
> condition or who is on depo medrol.  So far all my positives have developed 
> other problems that they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia.
> 
> I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old  today who 
> has FIP.  Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis.  Has 
> anyone else had any of these problems.
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[dlgegg]

RE:  stealing Winstrol.  Isn't it jut like people to spoil things for those who 
really need a drug.

So far, I have only lost one positive and I think that was ecause she had so 
many things to overcome.  She was a feral, had her tail bitten off by a racoon 
and was positive.  I think that was just too much for her to handle.  I have 
one left and she is now 8 gong on 9, healthy and her only problemis that she 
wants me to go to bed at 8:00.  Her previous owner had liver cancer and was bed 
ridden so Annie thinks I should also be in bed all the time.

 Sandy  wrote: 
> I believe Drs. Foster & Smith - on-line company has the generic - name begins 
> with an "s" 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Jane Gannon"  
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:49:43 AM 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol 
> 
> I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US. 
>  Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information 
> Network (VIN) that he uses.  He is familiar with the drug and said it was 
> used years ago.  In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because 
> people were breaking in and stealing it.  He said horse people who were not 
> even clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it.  He said he would 
> try and get it for me if I wanted to try it.  But he can't answer any of my 
> questions about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart 
> condition or who is on depo medrol.  So far all my positives have developed 
> other problems that they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. 
>   
> I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old  today who 
> has FIP.  Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis.  Has 
> anyone else had any of these problems. 
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[Sandy]

I believe Drs. Foster & Smith - on-line company has the generic - name begins 
with an "s" 

- Original Message -

From: "Jane Gannon"  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:49:43 AM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol 

I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US.  
Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information 
Network (VIN) that he uses.  He is familiar with the drug and said it was used 
years ago.  In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people 
were breaking in and stealing it.  He said horse people who were not even 
clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it.  He said he would try and 
get it for me if I wanted to try it.  But he can't answer any of my questions 
about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is 
on depo medrol.  So far all my positives have developed other problems that 
they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. 
  
I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old  today who has 
FIP.  Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis.  Has anyone 
else had any of these problems. 
  
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[Amani Oakley]

Stanozolol.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: December-21-15 11:06 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

I believe Drs. Foster & Smith - on-line company has the generic - name begins 
with an "s"


From: "Jane Gannon" <strayc...@roadrunner.com<mailto:strayc...@roadrunner.com>>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:49:43 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol

I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US.  
Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information 
Network (VIN) that he uses.  He is familiar with the drug and said it was used 
years ago.  In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people 
were breaking in and stealing it.  He said horse people who were not even 
clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it.  He said he would try and 
get it for me if I wanted to try it.  But he can't answer any of my questions 
about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is 
on depo medrol.  So far all my positives have developed other problems that 
they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia.

I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old  today who has 
FIP.  Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis.  Has anyone 
else had any of these problems.

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[dlgegg]

OFF TOPIC:  IS THERE A WAY TO INCLUDE A STOCK PHOTO OF A CAT SO WE COULD PIN 
THESE ONTO PINTEREST?  OR DOE THAT GET TOO COMPLICATED?  


 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> This seems to be a key concern of vets, but if you do more checking on line, 
> you find that there are no reports of actual liver damage (in animals or in 
> people for that matter). The enzymes temporarily rise, then fall when 
> discontinued, with no lasting liver effects. One vet told me that the 
> combination of Winstrol and prednisolone may be beneficial because the 
> prednisolone may buffer any liver impact of the Winstrol. In my experience, 
> when I have used the Winstrol, in two cats I saw the liver enzymes rise (one 
> very dramatically) but both had their levels return to normal after only a 
> few day off the Winstrol.
> 
> Unfortunately, this dramatic rise is the reason I have been given by vets as 
> to why they all stopped using Winstrol several decades ago. There was a 
> report of potential liver DAMAGE, but in the end, that hasn’t been borne out 
> by any research or confirmed in the literature.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> gidge...@aol.com
> Sent: December-01-15 2:39 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> I read here that while on Winstrol, a cat's liver values can elevate.  Could 
> it cause liver disease?
> Also has anyone used Denamarin to support the liver?  Or is it not good for 
> FeLV kitties?
> 
> http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/cat/cat-liver-health/denamarin-for-cats
> 
> or even milk thistle?
> 
> Nancy


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

This seems to be a key concern of vets, but if you do more checking on line, 
you find that there are no reports of actual liver damage (in animals or in 
people for that matter). The enzymes temporarily rise, then fall when 
discontinued, with no lasting liver effects. One vet told me that the 
combination of Winstrol and prednisolone may be beneficial because the 
prednisolone may buffer any liver impact of the Winstrol. In my experience, 
when I have used the Winstrol, in two cats I saw the liver enzymes rise (one 
very dramatically) but both had their levels return to normal after only a few 
day off the Winstrol.

Unfortunately, this dramatic rise is the reason I have been given by vets as to 
why they all stopped using Winstrol several decades ago. There was a report of 
potential liver DAMAGE, but in the end, that hasn’t been borne out by any 
research or confirmed in the literature.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com
Sent: December-01-15 2:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I read here that while on Winstrol, a cat's liver values can elevate.  Could it 
cause liver disease?
Also has anyone used Denamarin to support the liver?  Or is it not good for 
FeLV kitties?

http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/cat/cat-liver-health/denamarin-for-cats

or even milk thistle?

Nancy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Margo

It is not illegal. It needs a prescription, like most medications.

Amani

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Sent: November-25-15 7:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol




-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
>Sent: Nov 24, 2015 10:04 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
I'm very sure there are ways to get it, many "athletes" seem to do so. Just 
keep in mind it's illegal, and I'm pretty sure that your Vet would not be 
wiling to monitor a cat on a drug that s/he didn't prescribe. Losing the 
support of a Vet (or lacking it altogether) is probably not a good way to go.

Margo

>Thanks - I was just thinking this online pharmaceutical company may 
>sell it... I could not remember the name stanazolol. That way a 
>person could just bypass the vet, however that is very sad that one may have 
>to do that.
>Ardy
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of Amani Oakley
>Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:27 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>No - Winstrol is not a vitamin. It is an anabolic steroid. The other 
>name is stanazolol.
>
>Amani
>


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Margo]

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
>Sent: Nov 24, 2015 10:04 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
I'm very sure there are ways to get it, many "athletes" seem to do so. Just 
keep in mind it's illegal, and I'm pretty sure that your Vet would not be 
wiling to monitor a cat on a drug that s/he didn't prescribe. Losing the 
support of a Vet (or lacking it altogether) is probably not a good way to go.

Margo

>Thanks - I was just thinking this online pharmaceutical company may sell
>it... I could not remember the name stanazolol. That way a person could
>just bypass the vet, however that is very sad that one may have to do that.
>Ardy
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Amani Oakley
>Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:27 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>No - Winstrol is not a vitamin. It is an anabolic steroid. The other name is
>stanazolol.
>
>Amani
>


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Thanks - I was just thinking this online pharmaceutical company may sell
it... I could not remember the name stanazolol. That way a person could
just bypass the vet, however that is very sad that one may have to do that.
Ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

No - Winstrol is not a vitamin. It is an anabolic steroid. The other name is
stanazolol.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: November-24-15 12:32 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I found what I consider to be some very good liquid vitamins online at
Lambert Pharmaceuticals online...maybe they have Winstrol also. I think
Amani said it has another name also - you may need that to search.
Ardy


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Lorrie
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and acted
like it was a bad drug to use.

On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
> 
>I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me using
>Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the outset,
>I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always a
>special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the Winstrol
>sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I must
>assume that she is prescribing it for other clients.
> 
> 
>Amani
> 
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[dlgegg]

AMEN!

 Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
> 
> 
> Personally, I find humans far more difficult to deal with...
> 
> Besides, MY pets ARE my Family :)
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: dlg...@windstream.net
> >Sent: Nov 23, 2015 1:24 AM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> >
> >From reading the posts these last few weeks it made me think, What if 
> >everyone cared for their families like we care for our pets, wouldn't that 
> >be wonderful?
> >
> > Jane Gannon <strayc...@roadrunner.com> wrote: 
> >> I am going to make an appointment to take my positives to see my vet.  I 
> >> would like them to have a physical and  a hematicrit done.  My reasearch 
> >> on 
> >> winstrol says it should be used with caution in older pets with heart 
> >> problems.  Grayson is 12 and has a heart murmur.  I would like my vet to 
> >> research this on his vet site and help me to make a decision.  I also have 
> >> three 4 year old positives too.  We have been trying to figure out when we 
> >> may have gotten this disease in our house and we think it may have been 
> >> 2013.  Most cats don't live beyond 4 years after getting this.  If your 
> >> cat 
> >> lived for 7 years that is amazing.
> >> 
> >>  -- Original Message - 
> >> From: "Margo" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
> >> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:22 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Reading up on it will likely just reinforce his position. Literature 
> >> > does 
> >> > not support it's use for this, and many Vets are simply not going to go 
> >> > "off-label". I have often had to work three Vets at one time, for just 
> >> > this reason. Some would support one thing, some another...
> >> >
> >> > Margo
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> >>From: dlg...@windstream.net
> >> >>Sent: Nov 20, 2015 4:21 PM
> >> >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, felineres...@frontier.com
> >> >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> >> >>
> >> >>Maybe if he bothered to read up on it and learn how good it is, he might 
> >> >>change his tune, but some people never learn.
> >> >>
> >> >> Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
> >> >>> You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and
> >> >>> acted like it was a bad drug to use.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me 
> >> >>> > using
> >> >>> >Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the 
> >> >>> > outset,
> >> >>> >I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was 
> >> >>> > always 
> >> >>> > a
> >> >>> >special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the 
> >> >>> > Winstrol
> >> >>> >sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I 
> >> >>> > must
> >> >>> >assume that she is prescribing it for other clients.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Amani
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

No - Winstrol is not a vitamin. It is an anabolic steroid. The other name is 
stanazolol.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: November-24-15 12:32 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I found what I consider to be some very good liquid vitamins online at Lambert 
Pharmaceuticals online...maybe they have Winstrol also. I think Amani said 
it has another name also - you may need that to search.
Ardy


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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and acted 
like it was a bad drug to use.

On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
> 
>I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me using
>Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the outset,
>I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always a
>special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the Winstrol
>sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I must
>assume that she is prescribing it for other clients.
> 
> 
>Amani
> 
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Anna Summers]

ditto !

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Nov 2015, at 18:04, <dlg...@windstream.net> <dlg...@windstream.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> AMEN!
> 
>  Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> Personally, I find humans far more difficult to deal with...
>> 
>> Besides, MY pets ARE my Family :)
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: dlg...@windstream.net
>>> Sent: Nov 23, 2015 1:24 AM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>> 
>>> From reading the posts these last few weeks it made me think, What if 
>>> everyone cared for their families like we care for our pets, wouldn't that 
>>> be wonderful?
>>> 
>>>  Jane Gannon <strayc...@roadrunner.com> wrote: 
>>>> I am going to make an appointment to take my positives to see my vet.  I 
>>>> would like them to have a physical and  a hematicrit done.  My reasearch 
>>>> on 
>>>> winstrol says it should be used with caution in older pets with heart 
>>>> problems.  Grayson is 12 and has a heart murmur.  I would like my vet to 
>>>> research this on his vet site and help me to make a decision.  I also have 
>>>> three 4 year old positives too.  We have been trying to figure out when we 
>>>> may have gotten this disease in our house and we think it may have been 
>>>> 2013.  Most cats don't live beyond 4 years after getting this.  If your 
>>>> cat 
>>>> lived for 7 years that is amazing.
>>>> 
>>>> -- Original Message - 
>>>> From: "Margo" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
>>>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:22 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reading up on it will likely just reinforce his position. Literature does 
>>>>> not support it's use for this, and many Vets are simply not going to go 
>>>>> "off-label". I have often had to work three Vets at one time, for just 
>>>>> this reason. Some would support one thing, some another...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Margo
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: dlg...@windstream.net
>>>>>> Sent: Nov 20, 2015 4:21 PM
>>>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, felineres...@frontier.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe if he bothered to read up on it and learn how good it is, he might 
>>>>>> change his tune, but some people never learn.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and
>>>>>>> acted like it was a bad drug to use.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>   I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me 
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>   Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the 
>>>>>>>> outset,
>>>>>>>>   I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always 
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>   special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the 
>>>>>>>> Winstrol
>>>>>>>>   sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I 
>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>   assume that she is prescribing it for other clients.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>   Amani
>>>>>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Jane Gannon]

I did not mean that I found research or case studies on the drug, I meant 
that I searched the web for info about the drug for animals.  I found that 
it should be used with caution in animals with heart disease and that it can 
cause severe liver disease in cats, which we already knew.  My vet 
researches on a site where he can not only learn about the drug but if any 
other vets have tried it for felv+ cats.  He did this for a drug I wanted to 
try on my stomatitis cats and although some vets (dentists) did not believe 
in the drug, we went ahead and used it and it did help my 2 cats.  He is 
very open to working with me as I too have a house of misfit cats.  All 
drugs have side effects and not all people or animals react the same way. 
But it is necessary to know what they are.



- Original Message - 
From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>

To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol



Hi Jane

I would be interested in knowing which research you have found. I have not 
located the research you reference. The only references to any link 
between Winstrol and heart issues which I have located, is not supported 
by any actual research nor even any case studies. I found suggestions 
linking Winstrol and heart issues in humans, but again, when examined 
closer, commentators have noted that again, there is no scientific support 
for the suggestion. The suggestion is made in connection with athletes who 
die suddenly from cardiac issues, but when looked at with any degree of 
care, several obvious things emerge: the athlete is on a cocktail of 
dozens of medication and the athlete is taking the medications at hundreds 
or thousands of times greater doses than recommended. It has taken me 
months and months of research to dig deep enough to get to this stage. 
What I seem to find, repeatedly, is that it is very easy to find a list of 
suggested concerns about Winstrol, but there is no s
cientific support that I am able to find, that supports these listed 
concerns - and in fact, the opposite. Despite the fact that athletes 
regularly abuse Winstrol by injecting it or orally taking it at many, many 
times therapeutic dosage levels, there are almost no reports of adverse 
events with the Winstrol. As one article put it, it is the reason that 
professional athletes entirely ignore scientific warnings about Winstrol 
and the other performance-enhancing steroids. The article indicated that 
athletes saw scientists proven wrong twice: first, scientists said that 
the drugs were not effective, whereas the athletes knew otherwise, and 
virtually all spheres of professional athletics have a good proportion, if 
not the majority of athletes using these steroids to become faster, 
stronger, more resilient and to heal faster; second, scientists warned of 
the danger of these steroids, when athletes were aware of the unbelievably 
high doses they were using, with little or no advers

e effects.

How you want to proceed is up to you, but I suggest that if you actually 
want to try the Winstrol, asking your vet to do research will get you 
absolutely nowhere. I would expect the vet to encounter the reported 
concerns that seem to be repeated verbatim from site to site, with no 
references. I doubt most vets would go further, given what appears to be a 
high reluctance to use Winstrol - a reluctance which vets have told me 
stems from a report years back that Winstrol could cause liver damage.


I'll leave it at that.

Amani


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Jane Gannon

Sent: November-22-15 12:19 PM
To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I am going to make an appointment to take my positives to see my vet.  I 
would like them to have a physical and  a hematicrit done.  My reasearch 
on winstrol says it should be used with caution in older pets with heart 
problems.  Grayson is 12 and has a heart murmur.  I would like my vet to 
research this on his vet site and help me to make a decision.  I also have 
three 4 year old positives too.  We have been trying to figure out when we 
may have gotten this disease in our house and we think it may have been 
2013.  Most cats don't live beyond 4 years after getting this.  If your 
cat lived for 7 years that is amazing.


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To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol





Reading up on it will likely just reinforce his position. Literature does
not support it's use for this, and many Vets are simply not going to go
"off-label". I have often had to work three Vets at one time, for just
this reason. Some would support one thing, some another...

Margo

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From: dlg...@windstream.net
Sent

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

I understand and it sounds like you have a good relationship with your vet, 
which is great. I would still be interested in the information regarding the 
Winstrol concern with heart disease. I have used it for some pretty elderly and 
frail cats (one was 16 with nasal sarcoma, who lived to be 19) so if there is a 
concern with using it in circumstances with heart issues, I would be interested 
to know about that.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane 
Gannon
Sent: November-23-15 1:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I did not mean that I found research or case studies on the drug, I meant that 
I searched the web for info about the drug for animals.  I found that it should 
be used with caution in animals with heart disease and that it can cause severe 
liver disease in cats, which we already knew.  My vet researches on a site 
where he can not only learn about the drug but if any other vets have tried it 
for felv+ cats.  He did this for a drug I wanted to try on my stomatitis cats 
and although some vets (dentists) did not believe in the drug, we went ahead 
and used it and it did help my 2 cats.  He is very open to working with me as I 
too have a house of misfit cats.  All drugs have side effects and not all 
people or animals react the same way. 
But it is necessary to know what they are.


- Original Message -
From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


> Hi Jane
>
> I would be interested in knowing which research you have found. I have not 
> located the research you reference. The only references to any link 
> between Winstrol and heart issues which I have located, is not supported 
> by any actual research nor even any case studies. I found suggestions 
> linking Winstrol and heart issues in humans, but again, when examined 
> closer, commentators have noted that again, there is no scientific support 
> for the suggestion. The suggestion is made in connection with athletes who 
> die suddenly from cardiac issues, but when looked at with any degree of 
> care, several obvious things emerge: the athlete is on a cocktail of 
> dozens of medication and the athlete is taking the medications at hundreds 
> or thousands of times greater doses than recommended. It has taken me 
> months and months of research to dig deep enough to get to this stage. 
> What I seem to find, repeatedly, is that it is very easy to find a list of 
> suggested concerns about Winstrol, but there is no s
> cientific support that I am able to find, that supports these listed 
> concerns - and in fact, the opposite. Despite the fact that athletes 
> regularly abuse Winstrol by injecting it or orally taking it at many, many 
> times therapeutic dosage levels, there are almost no reports of adverse 
> events with the Winstrol. As one article put it, it is the reason that 
> professional athletes entirely ignore scientific warnings about Winstrol 
> and the other performance-enhancing steroids. The article indicated that 
> athletes saw scientists proven wrong twice: first, scientists said that 
> the drugs were not effective, whereas the athletes knew otherwise, and 
> virtually all spheres of professional athletics have a good proportion, if 
> not the majority of athletes using these steroids to become faster, 
> stronger, more resilient and to heal faster; second, scientists warned of 
> the danger of these steroids, when athletes were aware of the unbelievably 
> high doses they were using, with little or no advers
> e effects.
>
> How you want to proceed is up to you, but I suggest that if you actually 
> want to try the Winstrol, asking your vet to do research will get you 
> absolutely nowhere. I would expect the vet to encounter the reported 
> concerns that seem to be repeated verbatim from site to site, with no 
> references. I doubt most vets would go further, given what appears to be a 
> high reluctance to use Winstrol - a reluctance which vets have told me 
> stems from a report years back that Winstrol could cause liver damage.
>
> I'll leave it at that.
>
> Amani
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jane Gannon
> Sent: November-22-15 12:19 PM
> To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
> I am going to make an appointment to take my positives to see my vet.  I 
> would like them to have a physical and  a hematicrit done.  My reasearch 
> on winstrol says it should be used with caution in older pets with heart 
> problems.  Grayson is 12 and has a heart murmur.  I would like my vet to 
> rese

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Margo]

Personally, I find humans far more difficult to deal with...

Besides, MY pets ARE my Family :)

-Original Message-
>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: Nov 23, 2015 1:24 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>From reading the posts these last few weeks it made me think, What if everyone 
>cared for their families like we care for our pets, wouldn't that be wonderful?
>
> Jane Gannon <strayc...@roadrunner.com> wrote: 
>> I am going to make an appointment to take my positives to see my vet.  I 
>> would like them to have a physical and  a hematicrit done.  My reasearch on 
>> winstrol says it should be used with caution in older pets with heart 
>> problems.  Grayson is 12 and has a heart murmur.  I would like my vet to 
>> research this on his vet site and help me to make a decision.  I also have 
>> three 4 year old positives too.  We have been trying to figure out when we 
>> may have gotten this disease in our house and we think it may have been 
>> 2013.  Most cats don't live beyond 4 years after getting this.  If your cat 
>> lived for 7 years that is amazing.
>> 
>>  -- Original Message - 
>> From: "Margo" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> > Reading up on it will likely just reinforce his position. Literature does 
>> > not support it's use for this, and many Vets are simply not going to go 
>> > "off-label". I have often had to work three Vets at one time, for just 
>> > this reason. Some would support one thing, some another...
>> >
>> > Margo
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> >>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>> >>Sent: Nov 20, 2015 4:21 PM
>> >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, felineres...@frontier.com
>> >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> >>
>> >>Maybe if he bothered to read up on it and learn how good it is, he might 
>> >>change his tune, but some people never learn.
>> >>
>> >> Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> >>> You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and
>> >>> acted like it was a bad drug to use.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me 
>> >>> > using
>> >>> >Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the 
>> >>> > outset,
>> >>> >I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always 
>> >>> > a
>> >>> >special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the 
>> >>> > Winstrol
>> >>> >sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I 
>> >>> > must
>> >>> >assume that she is prescribing it for other clients.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Amani
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

I found what I consider to be some very good liquid vitamins online at
Lambert Pharmaceuticals online...maybe they have Winstrol also. I think
Amani said it has another name also - you may need that to search.
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and acted
like it was a bad drug to use.

On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
> 
>I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me using
>Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the outset,
>I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always a
>special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the Winstrol
>sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I must
>assume that she is prescribing it for other clients.
> 
> 
>Amani
> 
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Jane

I would be interested in knowing which research you have found. I have not 
located the research you reference. The only references to any link between 
Winstrol and heart issues which I have located, is not supported by any actual 
research nor even any case studies. I found suggestions linking Winstrol and 
heart issues in humans, but again, when examined closer, commentators have 
noted that again, there is no scientific support for the suggestion. The 
suggestion is made in connection with athletes who die suddenly from cardiac 
issues, but when looked at with any degree of care, several obvious things 
emerge: the athlete is on a cocktail of dozens of medication and the athlete is 
taking the medications at hundreds or thousands of times greater doses than 
recommended. It has taken me months and months of research to dig deep enough 
to get to this stage. What I seem to find, repeatedly, is that it is very easy 
to find a list of suggested concerns about Winstrol, but there is no s
 cientific support that I am able to find, that supports these listed concerns 
- and in fact, the opposite. Despite the fact that athletes regularly abuse 
Winstrol by injecting it or orally taking it at many, many times therapeutic 
dosage levels, there are almost no reports of adverse events with the Winstrol. 
As one article put it, it is the reason that professional athletes entirely 
ignore scientific warnings about Winstrol and the other performance-enhancing 
steroids. The article indicated that athletes saw scientists proven wrong 
twice: first, scientists said that the drugs were not effective, whereas the 
athletes knew otherwise, and virtually all spheres of professional athletics 
have a good proportion, if not the majority of athletes using these steroids to 
become faster, stronger, more resilient and to heal faster; second, scientists 
warned of the danger of these steroids, when athletes were aware of the 
unbelievably high doses they were using, with little or no advers
 e effects.

How you want to proceed is up to you, but I suggest that if you actually want 
to try the Winstrol, asking your vet to do research will get you absolutely 
nowhere. I would expect the vet to encounter the reported concerns that seem to 
be repeated verbatim from site to site, with no references. I doubt most vets 
would go further, given what appears to be a high reluctance to use Winstrol - 
a reluctance which vets have told me stems from a report years back that 
Winstrol could cause liver damage.

I'll leave it at that.

Amani


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane 
Gannon
Sent: November-22-15 12:19 PM
To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I am going to make an appointment to take my positives to see my vet.  I would 
like them to have a physical and  a hematicrit done.  My reasearch on winstrol 
says it should be used with caution in older pets with heart problems.  Grayson 
is 12 and has a heart murmur.  I would like my vet to research this on his vet 
site and help me to make a decision.  I also have three 4 year old positives 
too.  We have been trying to figure out when we may have gotten this disease in 
our house and we think it may have been 2013.  Most cats don't live beyond 4 
years after getting this.  If your cat lived for 7 years that is amazing.

 -- Original Message -
From: "Margo" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol


>
>
> Reading up on it will likely just reinforce his position. Literature does 
> not support it's use for this, and many Vets are simply not going to go 
> "off-label". I have often had to work three Vets at one time, for just 
> this reason. Some would support one thing, some another...
>
> Margo
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>>Sent: Nov 20, 2015 4:21 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, felineres...@frontier.com
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>
>>Maybe if he bothered to read up on it and learn how good it is, he might 
>>change his tune, but some people never learn.
>>
>> Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>> You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and
>>> acted like it was a bad drug to use.
>>>
>>> On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>> >
>>> >I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me 
>>> > using
>>> >Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the 
>>> > outset,
>>> >I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always 
>>> > a
>>> >   

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Jane Gannon]

I am going to make an appointment to take my positives to see my vet.  I 
would like them to have a physical and  a hematicrit done.  My reasearch on 
winstrol says it should be used with caution in older pets with heart 
problems.  Grayson is 12 and has a heart murmur.  I would like my vet to 
research this on his vet site and help me to make a decision.  I also have 
three 4 year old positives too.  We have been trying to figure out when we 
may have gotten this disease in our house and we think it may have been 
2013.  Most cats don't live beyond 4 years after getting this.  If your cat 
lived for 7 years that is amazing.


-- Original Message - 
From: "Margo" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>

To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol





Reading up on it will likely just reinforce his position. Literature does 
not support it's use for this, and many Vets are simply not going to go 
"off-label". I have often had to work three Vets at one time, for just 
this reason. Some would support one thing, some another...


Margo

-Original Message-

From: dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Nov 20, 2015 4:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, felineres...@frontier.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Maybe if he bothered to read up on it and learn how good it is, he might 
change his tune, but some people never learn.


 Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:

You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and
acted like it was a bad drug to use.

On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
>
>I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me 
> using
>Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the 
> outset,
>I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always 
> a
>special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the 
> Winstrol
>sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I 
> must

>assume that she is prescribing it for other clients.
>
>
>Amani
>
>

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Margo]

Reading up on it will likely just reinforce his position. Literature does not 
support it's use for this, and many Vets are simply not going to go 
"off-label". I have often had to work three Vets at one time, for just this 
reason. Some would support one thing, some another...

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: Nov 20, 2015 4:21 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, felineres...@frontier.com
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>Maybe if he bothered to read up on it and learn how good it is, he might 
>change his tune, but some people never learn.
>
> Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote: 
>> You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and
>> acted like it was a bad drug to use.
>> 
>> On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
>> > 
>> >I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me using
>> >Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the outset,
>> >I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always a
>> >special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the Winstrol
>> >sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I must
>> >assume that she is prescribing it for other clients.
>> > 
>> > 
>> >Amani
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Lorrie]

You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and
acted like it was a bad drug to use.

On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
> 
>I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me using
>Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the outset,
>I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always a
>special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the Winstrol
>sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I must
>assume that she is prescribing it for other clients.
> 
> 
>Amani
> 
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

I know. It's bizarre, given that the alternative is often bleak. I think my vet 
didn't even give me a moment of a hard time because Zander was obviously going 
to die. Period. And I was spending all kinds of money shipping in special 
treatments like the LTCI, which did bupkis, and blood transfusions (each one 
costing over $1000) and days in the "ICU" in an oxygen tent. Then, after 
spending in the order of close to $8,000 to $10,000, I discover a $0.50 pill 
which brings him back to life. 

This attitude of the vets really annoys me though. If they have something 
better to offer, I'm all ears. If not, then there is no possible side-effect 
which is worse than death, and even if the side-effect IS death, then so what? 
This virus is going to do that anyway. With Zander, they gave me a ZERO percent 
chance he would live. ZERO. So how could the Winstrol be worse than that?

I made that mistake many many years ago, and I learned from it. I had a 
wonderful little Maltese named Baby. I loved her so much. She was on a heart 
medication since the age of 8 or 10, and doing just fine. The heart medication 
was digoxin. When I became a Medical Technologist, one of my jobs was running 
digoxin levels in hospital. There is a toxic level, (2.5 mmol/L) above which I 
had to call the floor to let them know that the level of the digoxin was too 
high, so they could taper or reduce the dosage for the patient. One night, 
while I was working in the lab, my husband called me to say that he thought 
Baby was having a heart attack and not doing well. I immediately thought I 
should ask him to give her more digoxin, but he indicated that she had already 
had her evening dose, AND I WAS SO WORRIED GIVING HER MORE WOULD PUT THE 
DIGOXIN LEVEL INTO THE TOXIC RANGE! Stupid stupid me. Little Baby died that 
night. How brainless I was. If she was dying anyway, how could it matter i
 f the digoxin level might go into the toxic range? It might have saved her 
life, or it might not, but I learned my lesson then. Number one priority: save 
the life. Worry about any side-effects later.

Sorry for the outburst. As you can tell, this really really bugs me.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: November-20-15 11:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and acted 
like it was a bad drug to use.

On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
> 
>I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me using
>Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the outset,
>I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always a
>special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the Winstrol
>sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I must
>assume that she is prescribing it for other clients.
> 
> 
>Amani
> 
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[dlgegg]

Maybe if he bothered to read up on it and learn how good it is, he might change 
his tune, but some people never learn.

 Lorrie  wrote: 
> You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and
> acted like it was a bad drug to use.
> 
> On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
> > 
> >I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me using
> >Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the outset,
> >I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always a
> >special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the Winstrol
> >sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I must
> >assume that she is prescribing it for other clients.
> > 
> > 
> >Amani
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Jetty,

You can use the prednisolone with the Winstrol. They are different kinds of 
steroids and work well together. A very senior, well-respected vet I know very 
well, once told me that the prednisolone helps protect the liver, while on the 
Winstrol. I used both, along with Doxycycline on Zander, at the early stages of 
his recovery from his FeLV crisis.

Amani


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jetty 
Dijkshoorn
Sent: November-19-15 6:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your furry friends. Luckily my 
suspected FELV sweetheart Dolce is doing really well at this moment. He went 
from very lethargic with pale gums and nose to a lively guy with the help of 1 
tablet of prednisolon every other day. I am very much interested in starting 
with Winstrol to help his RBC go further up but not sure whether I have to stop 
using the prednisolon or use both of them together.We live in the Netherlands 
and I already found out that I can buy the 2 mg tablets in an online shop for a 
reasonable price.
I want to thank all the members of this forum for all your stories and advises. 
There is not much knowledge here about FELV and it is very common to put cats 
to sleep after very uncertain snaptest diagnosyses. So glad that thanks to your 
encouraging advises he is still a very happy cat. Although I am a bit concerned 
about a lump he developed under his left eye. It does not seem to bother him 
but I hope it does not grow any further.

Jetty an Dolce



2015-11-19 2:16 GMT+01:00 Jane Gannon 
>:
Do I just keep him on this indefinetely?  Do I have to keep having his blood 
tested, how often?  How long did this help your cat?  Do you still have this 
cat?
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Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

Hi Jane

Speak with your vet. He probably uses a compounding pharmacy for other types of 
medication. This is where my vet gets Winstrol. Our vet can get the Winstrol in 
2 strengths: 2 mg and 1 mg tablets. They are hard to cut in half, but for a 
long time, that is what I had to do since originally the compounding pharmacy 
only had the 2 mg size tablets. The tablets are very small and powdery when 
split, and dissolve very quickly with very little moisture. Therefore, it made 
life a lot easier when the compounding pharmacy started providing 1 mg sized 
tablets. If you can only get 2 mg tablets, you also have the option of just 
giving them once a day, but I think it is better to give 1 mg, 2 times a day.

I have no idea where you are located or how big the compounding pharmacy is 
that my vet uses, but it is called Chiron. (I’m in Ontario, Canada, and I think 
this compounding pharmacy is located close to Guelph Ontario, near the vet 
college there).

Definitely start your cat on the Winstrol as soon as possible. I have also 
found Winstrol helpful in a cat I highly suspected of having FIP. She is fine 
now.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
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Sent: November-17-15 11:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

I have had the worst nightmare happen to me.  I have a large cat family, I used 
to work at a cat rescue organization and I also help any cats that show up at 
my door.  Last year one of my two outdoor cats started to loose weight.  He was 
12 so I thought maybe kidney or  hyperthyroid.  He started having anisocoria 
(one pupil lager than the other) and then I noticed  3 other cats with the same 
thing. I researched online and found that it can happen to FELV+ cats.  So I 
took them all to the vet and found out they were positive.  I then took the 
rest of my cat family and found out I had a total of 10 positives and  12 
negatives.  I vacinated the negatives and am letting them all live together.  
Since that time I have lost 5. Two older ones actually died from kidney 
disease, I had to euthanise my son's 2 two year olds cats, one developed FIP 
and the other ended up getting neurological problems until he could no longer 
walk.  I euthanised one that was having difficulty breathing and was no longer 
eating.  So I searched for a group that was going through the same thing so 
maybe I could learn about what can be done.  Grayson, who is positive, is now 
loosing weight.  He is 12 so I hoped maybe kidney or hyperthyroid so I had his 
blood tested and he does not have either.  He is starting to have the sylmptoms 
of FELV.  His hematocrit is 19 and he also has an abcess on his face that 
doesn't want to heal.  He is acting like his old self and eating well.  I know 
my vet would not have a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Jetty Dijkshoorn]

Thanks so much Amani. Will buy a package immediately. What would you say
about the doses. Dolce weighs about 2,75 kg

2015-11-20 0:15 GMT+01:00 Amani Oakley :

> Jetty,
>
>
>
> You can use the prednisolone with the Winstrol. They are different kinds
> of steroids and work well together. A very senior, well-respected vet I
> know very well, once told me that the prednisolone helps protect the liver,
> while on the Winstrol. I used both, along with Doxycycline on Zander, at
> the early stages of his recovery from his FeLV crisis.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jetty Dijkshoorn
> *Sent:* November-19-15 6:11 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
>
> I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your furry friends. Luckily my
> suspected FELV sweetheart Dolce is doing really well at this moment. He
> went from very lethargic with pale gums and nose to a lively guy with the
> help of 1 tablet of prednisolon every other day. I am very much interested
> in starting with Winstrol to help his RBC go further up but not sure
> whether I have to stop using the prednisolon or use both of them
> together.We live in the Netherlands and I already found out that I can buy
> the 2 mg tablets in an online shop for a reasonable price.
>
> I want to thank all the members of this forum for all your stories and
> advises. There is not much knowledge here about FELV and it is very common
> to put cats to sleep after very uncertain snaptest diagnosyses. So glad
> that thanks to your encouraging advises he is still a very happy cat.
> Although I am a bit concerned about a lump he developed under his left eye.
> It does not seem to bother him but I hope it does not grow any further.
>
>
>
> Jetty an Dolce
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2015-11-19 2:16 GMT+01:00 Jane Gannon :
>
> Do I just keep him on this indefinetely?  Do I have to keep having his
> blood tested, how often?  How long did this help your cat?  Do you still
> have this cat?
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Amani Oakley 
>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:38 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
>
> Hi Jane
>
>
>
> Speak with your vet. He probably uses a compounding pharmacy for other
> types of medication. This is where my vet gets Winstrol. Our vet can get
> the Winstrol in 2 strengths: 2 mg and 1 mg tablets. They are hard to cut in
> half, but for a long time, that is what I had to do since originally the
> compounding pharmacy only had the 2 mg size tablets. The tablets are very
> small and powdery when split, and dissolve very quickly with very little
> moisture. Therefore, it made life a lot easier when the compounding
> pharmacy started providing 1 mg sized tablets. If you can only get 2 mg
> tablets, you also have the option of just giving them once a day, but I
> think it is better to give 1 mg, 2 times a day.
>
>
>
> I have no idea where you are located or how big the compounding pharmacy
> is that my vet uses, but it is called Chiron. (I’m in Ontario, Canada, and
> I think this compounding pharmacy is located close to Guelph Ontario, near
> the vet college there).
>
>
>
> Definitely start your cat on the Winstrol as soon as possible. I have also
> found Winstrol helpful in a cat I highly suspected of having FIP. She is
> fine now.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jane Gannon
> *Sent:* November-17-15 11:54 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
>
> I have had the worst nightmare happen to me.  I have a large cat family, I
> used to work at a cat rescue organization and I also help any cats that
> show up at my door.  Last year one of my two outdoor cats started to loose
> weight.  He was 12 so I thought maybe kidney or  hyperthyroid.  He started
> having anisocoria (one pupil lager than the other) and then I noticed  3
> other cats with the same thing. I researched online and found that it can
> happen to FELV+ cats.  So I took them all to the vet and found out they
> were positive.  I then took the rest of my cat family and found out I had a
> total of 10 positives and  12 negatives.  I vacinated the negatives and am
> letting them all live together.  Since that time I have lost 5. Two older
> ones actually died from kidney disease, I had to euthanise my son's 2 two
> year olds cats, one developed FIP and the other ended up getting
> neurological problems until he could no longer walk.  I euthanised one that
> was having difficulty breathing and was no longer eating.  So I searched
> for a group that was going through the same thing so maybe I could learn
> about what can be done.  Grayson, who is positive, is now loosing weight.
> He is 12 so I hoped maybe kidney or hyperthyroid so I had his blood tested
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

The dose is the same for all cats. 1 mg 2 times a day is usually fine, unless 
it is an emergency and you need to get the Winstrol acting much faster, in 
which case you can increase the dose to 2 mg 2 times a day. Obviously, try to 
dose about 12 hours apart.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jetty 
Dijkshoorn
Sent: November-19-15 6:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Thanks so much Amani. Will buy a package immediately. What would you say about 
the doses. Dolce weighs about 2,75 kg

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