Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
WHEN YOU WERE THERE, COULD YOU STAY AT THE CAT HOUSES OR DID YOU STAY AT A NEARBY MOTEL? IT WOULD BE GREAT IF I COULD RETIRE THERE WITH MY BABIES AND BE WITH THEM TO THE END. I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CHANGING BOXES, ETC. Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Sounds just like the shelter I have selected - CW Rustic Hollow. I've visited it in the summer and winter. A great place. Sharyl From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) The shelter I have selected does not keep them in cages, they have the run of 1. an old farmhouse complete with an outdoor enclosure they can go in and out at will. 2. They have built a new house and outdoor enclosure. They have furniture to sit and lie on and shelves on the walls. My cats will be old by the time I pass and not many people want to adopt old cats. I am sure they will be content to lay on a bed or the back of a chair in a sunny window. I have only one concern, how will they adapt to the cats already there. But if they follow the normal rules for introducing new cats to the household, I think there will be no problem. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: We always need to prepare for the time when we will no longer be able to have our cats because of our illness or death, but I would be concerned about your cats in a no kill shelter. Would they be spending their remaining years in cages?? On 04-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life. I have a shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care. They have a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set amount of money. It is really not asking all that much considering you are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the remainder of their lives. I have had my babies too long to leave their future up in the air. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
We always need to prepare for the time when we will no longer be able to have our cats because of our illness or death, but I would be concerned about your cats in a no kill shelter. Would they be spending their remaining years in cages?? On 04-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life. I have a shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care. They have a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set amount of money. It is really not asking all that much considering you are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the remainder of their lives. I have had my babies too long to leave their future up in the air. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
What becomes of these FelV cats you foster? Do you do like I do and just keep them until they die or have to be euthanized? I lost three FelV kittens in 2 months and it was heartbreaking. Now the last of this litter just turned one year old and she seems fine, but I watch her every day and never know how long I'll have her. I have several others who were exposed or actively have the virus, but they are still doing fine, but I look at them every day and wonder how long I'll have them. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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One actually did get adopted last year, but mostly they just stay with me until they pass away. Beth Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: What becomes of these FelV cats you foster? Do you do like I do and just keep them until they die or have to be euthanized? I lost three FelV kittens in 2 months and it was heartbreaking. Now the last of this litter just turned one year old and she seems fine, but I watch her every day and never know how long I'll have her. I have several others who were exposed or actively have the virus, but they are still doing fine, but I look at them every day and wonder how long I'll have them. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
The shelter I have selected does not keep them in cages, they have the run of 1. an old farmhouse complete with an outdoor enclosure they can go in and out at will. 2. They have built a new house and outdoor enclosure. They have furniture to sit and lie on and shelves on the walls. My cats will be old by the time I pass and not many people want to adopt old cats. I am sure they will be content to lay on a bed or the back of a chair in a sunny window. I have only one concern, how will they adapt to the cats already there. But if they follow the normal rules for introducing new cats to the household, I think there will be no problem. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: We always need to prepare for the time when we will no longer be able to have our cats because of our illness or death, but I would be concerned about your cats in a no kill shelter. Would they be spending their remaining years in cages?? On 04-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life. I have a shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care. They have a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set amount of money. It is really not asking all that much considering you are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the remainder of their lives. I have had my babies too long to leave their future up in the air. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
Sounds just like the shelter I have selected - CW Rustic Hollow. I've visited it in the summer and winter. A great place. Sharyl From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) The shelter I have selected does not keep them in cages, they have the run of 1. an old farmhouse complete with an outdoor enclosure they can go in and out at will. 2. They have built a new house and outdoor enclosure. They have furniture to sit and lie on and shelves on the walls. My cats will be old by the time I pass and not many people want to adopt old cats. I am sure they will be content to lay on a bed or the back of a chair in a sunny window. I have only one concern, how will they adapt to the cats already there. But if they follow the normal rules for introducing new cats to the household, I think there will be no problem. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: We always need to prepare for the time when we will no longer be able to have our cats because of our illness or death, but I would be concerned about your cats in a no kill shelter. Would they be spending their remaining years in cages?? On 04-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life. I have a shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care. They have a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set amount of money. It is really not asking all that much considering you are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the remainder of their lives. I have had my babies too long to leave their future up in the air. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
Sounds just like the shelter I have selected - CW Rustic Hollow. I've visited it in the summer and winter. A great place. Sharyl From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) The shelter I have selected does not keep them in cages, they have the run of 1. an old farmhouse complete with an outdoor enclosure they can go in and out at will. 2. They have built a new house and outdoor enclosure. They have furniture to sit and lie on and shelves on the walls. My cats will be old by the time I pass and not many people want to adopt old cats. I am sure they will be content to lay on a bed or the back of a chair in a sunny window. I have only one concern, how will they adapt to the cats already there. But if they follow the normal rules for introducing new cats to the household, I think there will be no problem. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
I only have 3 cats of my own left. 2 are quite old 1 is FeLV positive. I do not take in more FeLV fosters unless one passes away. I do not take FeLV cats from individuals unless they agree that it is still their cat, just living at my house. I will not be responsible for vet bills or food expenses. It is tough turning people down, but I have to have a sane life do not want to get overwhelmed. I prefer to educate people that they can mix their cats keep the FeLV's. That being said, I recently agreed to take an FeLV from a lady who volunteers at our shelter who I have known for years. The cat no more than got to my house it is clear he has medical issues she is not returning my calls or emails. This may mark the end of me taking in any FeLV's from individuals, period. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. But at least they had those two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another these days because my feline family is approaching the older years. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my negatives. It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not allow me to foster both positives negative, even if they were separated. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
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Been there, done that. Most of the FeLv cats I have taken were from a rescuer who has overwhelmed me in the past. I am no longer allowing her to do that. Anyway, there is no more room at the inn. I have two cats in my separation rooms, one recovering from a blinding eye infection and upper resp. and the other who has bone cancer, tumor on leg but is doing OK so far. The partially blind cat is one of my own outdoor old biddies. The cancer cat is from a colony I used to feed but gave back to the overwhelming rescuer when I moved out of the city. I felt obligated to this cat so took her and am giving her whatever life she has left. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) I only have 3 cats of my own left. 2 are quite old 1 is FeLV positive. I do not take in more FeLV fosters unless one passes away. I do not take FeLV cats from individuals unless they agree that it is still their cat, just living at my house. I will not be responsible for vet bills or food expenses. It is tough turning people down, but I have to have a sane life do not want to get overwhelmed. I prefer to educate people that they can mix their cats keep the FeLV's. That being said, I recently agreed to take an FeLV from a lady who volunteers at our shelter who I have known for years. The cat no more than got to my house it is clear he has medical issues she is not returning my calls or emails. This may mark the end of me taking in any FeLV's from individuals, period. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. But at least they had those two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another these days because my feline family is approaching the older years. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life. I have a shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care. They have a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set amount of money. It is really not asking all that much considering you are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the remainder of their lives. I have had my babies too long to leave their future up in the air. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I only have 3 cats of my own left. 2 are quite old 1 is FeLV positive. I do not take in more FeLV fosters unless one passes away. I do not take FeLV cats from individuals unless they agree that it is still their cat, just living at my house. I will not be responsible for vet bills or food expenses. It is tough turning people down, but I have to have a sane life do not want to get overwhelmed. I prefer to educate people that they can mix their cats keep the FeLV's. That being said, I recently agreed to take an FeLV from a lady who volunteers at our shelter who I have known for years. The cat no more than got to my house it is clear he has medical issues she is not returning my calls or emails. This may mark the end of me taking in any FeLV's from individuals, period. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. But at least they had those two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another these days because my feline family is approaching the older years. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my negatives. It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats
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Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my negatives. It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not allow me to foster both positives negative, even if they were separated. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my negatives. It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not allow me to foster both positives negative, even if they were separated. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. But at least they had those two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another these days because my feline family is approaching the older years. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my negatives. It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not allow me to foster both positives negative, even if they were separated. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Beth/ Vets for Felv cats
I need to get some more info on LCTI. Can you help? On 6/10/2011 11:04 PM, Sara Kasteleyn wrote: We have a wonderful holistic-friendly vet who makes house calls. She works in conjunction with our brick and mortar vet for blood work, tests, etc. when necessary. Now that we have lost our two FeLV+ angels, she takes care of our new babies. The house call vet was the one that got us hooked up with LTCI. I'm certain Taj and Rani wouldn't have lasted as long as they did without the LTCI. Both eventually succumbed to lymphomas of different types. Brother and sister. We will always miss them. I don't think it's necessary to have a specialized vet...just a vet who is special and willing to listen. Sara --Original Mail-- From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:57:02 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats Do you all have your FeLeuk kitties seen by your regular vets? I talked to a wonderful consulting vet I know re Miss Eleanor (formerly Sabrina) his first recommendation was Internal Medicine at U of WI, but then said that this would probably not be necessary as long as she is asymptomatic. That regular blood work, every 6 months, would be the main requirement. Certainly hope that is the case as just a couple of visits to UW would be well over $1000! I would like to combine the services of a good regular vet, which I think I have, altho he freely admits that is practice does not see a lot of FeLeuk kitties - which is probably pretty much the case with all non-specializing vets, I would think, with those of a holistic vet as well. Do any of you do that? Are any of you in Wisconsin? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Beth/ Vets for Felv cats
LTCI saved our cat, I believe. Christy Stetler On Jun 11, 2011, at 5:09 AM, Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net wrote: I need to get some more info on LCTI. Can you help? On 6/10/2011 11:04 PM, Sara Kasteleyn wrote: We have a wonderful holistic-friendly vet who makes house calls. She works in conjunction with our brick and mortar vet for blood work, tests, etc. when necessary. Now that we have lost our two FeLV+ angels, she takes care of our new babies. The house call vet was the one that got us hooked up with LTCI. I'm certain Taj and Rani wouldn't have lasted as long as they did without the LTCI. Both eventually succumbed to lymphomas of different types. Brother and sister. We will always miss them. I don't think it's necessary to have a specialized vet...just a vet who is special and willing to listen. Sara --Original Mail-- From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:57:02 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats Do you all have your FeLeuk kitties seen by your regular vets? I talked to a wonderful consulting vet I know re Miss Eleanor (formerly Sabrina) his first recommendation was Internal Medicine at U of WI, but then said that this would probably not be necessary as long as she is asymptomatic. That regular blood work, every 6 months, would be the main requirement. Certainly hope that is the case as just a couple of visits to UW would be well over $1000! I would like to combine the services of a good regular vet, which I think I have, altho he freely admits that is practice does not see a lot of FeLeuk kitties - which is probably pretty much the case with all non-specializing vets, I would think, with those of a holistic vet as well. Do any of you do that? Are any of you in Wisconsin? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Hobbs, May 4, 2008 Question for Beth Noren
am cracking up reading the description of his antics around the house--stealing the greens from the birds, indeed! (maybe he wants CORN? an inside joke, sorry.) one of the most amazing things about FeLVs is that, especially with the young ones who aren't meant to be here long, they seem to KNOW that they have to express all their cuteness, and all their sweetness, and all their brattiness into a shorter period--and as much as i've cried when young one had to go home, i've known that those little ones have enjoyed every minute of their lives.. 3 months, 6 months, 3 years, 12 years--just love them. MC On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Heather, Of the 5 kittens, one was positive right away, and one turned positive several weeks later. We lost the first one to FIP, which I partially blame on vaccinating too soon and too short a regimen of antibiotics. She was vaccinated a couple of days after the antibiotics were stopped, they were still in her system then and were masking the fact that she hadn't really kicked her URI. Her immune system just got tired, and she came down with FIP. She was a very sick little runt when we found her, so she may not have made it even without our mistakes. When one of her brothers came down with a high fever, we had him retested and he came up positive. He got prednisolone for 1 or 2 days and was put on Clavamox. The fever came back within a week, one prednisolone tablet was all it took to break the fever. After all I had been through with the first one, there was no way I was letting him off the antibiotic. He was on Clavamox as a preventative for *months*. Everyone says that it will kill the good bacteria along with the bad, and that may be true for some cats, but he never had a problem. He has always been my best and most enthusiastic eater, no diarrhea or anything. I think that the antibiotics allowed his body to concentrate on its fight with the virus instead of wasting its energy on any bacteria. Just my layman's guess. I think that the typical 10 day antibiotic prescription is way too short. Then again, he was much healthier than his sister when I found them, so maybe he has stayed well *despite* my meddling. Anyway, I was kinda flying under my vet's radar getting Clavamox refills, finally I took him in to have his mouth checked 'cause he wouldn't eat his crunchy treats (it was fine) and she said that she couldn't in good conscience see any reason to continue prescribing meds to such a healthy looking cat. He's solid muscle from playing all day long. The only supplement I use with him is L-Lysine powder in his wet food. Food brands have changed a few times, but for a lot of their lives they have been on California Natural chicken and rice dry. Current wet food is Pet's Promise chicken from Petco. I avoid fish flavors because they can have a flame retardant chemical in them (from pollution). Once in awhile they get a plate of wet baby greens or romaine lettuce, otherwise they try to steal it from our birds. That's it. Oh, and I waited longer to have him neutered (7 months). He is healthier than his three remaining siblings (all negative, but two have food allergies and one broke her femur). I know that the odds are long on making 3 years, but I have hope, and I try to concentrate on the joy of his company right here and now. Even when he's hell-bent on stealing used Q-tips from the bathroom trash. :o) Sending good thoughts for Sissy, Beth On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beth (Noren)- For your two surviving 2 year old FELV kitties, are there supplements you've used or anything in particular you attribute to them doing so well? Thank you all for your condolences and thoughts, I sent Jann a link to the archives so that she would know that many thoughts are with her, with wishes of peace and love for Hobbs. Heather -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Hobbs, May 4, 2008 Question for Beth Noren
Beth (Noren)- For your two surviving 2 year old FELV kitties, are there supplements you've used or anything in particular you attribute to them doing so well? Thank you all for your condolences and thoughts, I sent Jann a link to the archives so that she would know that many thoughts are with her, with wishes of peace and love for Hobbs. Heather
Re: Hobbs, May 4, 2008 Question for Beth Noren
Hi Heather, Of the 5 kittens, one was positive right away, and one turned positive several weeks later. We lost the first one to FIP, which I partially blame on vaccinating too soon and too short a regimen of antibiotics. She was vaccinated a couple of days after the antibiotics were stopped, they were still in her system then and were masking the fact that she hadn't really kicked her URI. Her immune system just got tired, and she came down with FIP. She was a very sick little runt when we found her, so she may not have made it even without our mistakes. When one of her brothers came down with a high fever, we had him retested and he came up positive. He got prednisolone for 1 or 2 days and was put on Clavamox. The fever came back within a week, one prednisolone tablet was all it took to break the fever. After all I had been through with the first one, there was no way I was letting him off the antibiotic. He was on Clavamox as a preventative for *months*. Everyone says that it will kill the good bacteria along with the bad, and that may be true for some cats, but he never had a problem. He has always been my best and most enthusiastic eater, no diarrhea or anything. I think that the antibiotics allowed his body to concentrate on its fight with the virus instead of wasting its energy on any bacteria. Just my layman's guess. I think that the typical 10 day antibiotic prescription is way too short. Then again, he was much healthier than his sister when I found them, so maybe he has stayed well *despite* my meddling. Anyway, I was kinda flying under my vet's radar getting Clavamox refills, finally I took him in to have his mouth checked 'cause he wouldn't eat his crunchy treats (it was fine) and she said that she couldn't in good conscience see any reason to continue prescribing meds to such a healthy looking cat. He's solid muscle from playing all day long. The only supplement I use with him is L-Lysine powder in his wet food. Food brands have changed a few times, but for a lot of their lives they have been on California Natural chicken and rice dry. Current wet food is Pet's Promise chicken from Petco. I avoid fish flavors because they can have a flame retardant chemical in them (from pollution). Once in awhile they get a plate of wet baby greens or romaine lettuce, otherwise they try to steal it from our birds. That's it. Oh, and I waited longer to have him neutered (7 months). He is healthier than his three remaining siblings (all negative, but two have food allergies and one broke her femur). I know that the odds are long on making 3 years, but I have hope, and I try to concentrate on the joy of his company right here and now. Even when he's hell-bent on stealing used Q-tips from the bathroom trash. :o) Sending good thoughts for Sissy, Beth On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beth (Noren)- For your two surviving 2 year old FELV kitties, are there supplements you've used or anything in particular you attribute to them doing so well? Thank you all for your condolences and thoughts, I sent Jann a link to the archives so that she would know that many thoughts are with her, with wishes of peace and love for Hobbs. Heather
To Beth
Hi Beth, Nice to meet you! I wish I could recommend a good vet to you, but unfortunately I haven't found one I'd swear by. I have heard great things about the Animal Cancer Center off Greenville Avenue in Dallas, but I'm not sure if they do just routine exams. I have not personally been there though. I bet they could recommend a great internal med vet if you needed one, if they don't already have one on staff. I went to UNT and lived in Denton for the 5 years I was there. Are you there permanently? I'm so sorry to hear about your sweet furbabies. There is a chance that your Manx can throw the virus so don't give up! A great diet and a stress free environment are the two best things you can do for your FeLV+ furbaby. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:31:08 PM Subject: Re: CLS Hi Wendy I just saw on your last post that you are in Dallas - I'm in Denton. I just joined this group about a month ago after the loss of one of our babies to FeLV and now we are dealing with it in our almost 7 month old female manx. It's nice to know someone is near by - is there a particular vet that you would recommend in the area (or possibly/hopefully closer to Denton) ? The vet we used has not been extremely helpful or informative, simply because I don't think that they have seen many cases that have positive outcomes (their first advice for a symptomatic cat was to PTS) So far, she is asymptomatic - save for the occasional runny nose/eyes which I'm thinking is allergy related because it generally gets worse the same time MY allergies flare up. Anyway - best wishes Beth Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
To Beth: Re: any other catfood suggestions
Beth, Most everyone here understands what it's like to be limited by our income. Shoot, if I had unlimited funds, I'd feed myself and my cats Filet Mignon every night (sorry vegans)...I'd also buy a membership to the only decent health club in town here (very expensive; next to the country club). Shoot, I'd even hire a personal trainer and personal chef. But since I can't take the best possible care of myself, my family, and my furbabies, I do what we can financially. Phaewryn was right when she said that we all have our priorities, but one person's priorities may be vastly different from anothers and all priorities are tempered by our income, unfortunately. When my cat Cricket was dying from anemia, many people here urged me to get him a transfusion. I just couldn't afford it, as we had already spent over $500, and there was no guarantee. If I had unlimited funds, I would have done it, but I don't. And I knew that most if not all members knew I was doing what I could and there was no mistake that I loved Cricket. We all know you love your furbabies and rescues. No one can question that. It must be frustrating doing rescue. We have a neighbor who's had their cat Sammie for a long time. Sammie is VERY particular, and doesn't let anyone but his 'dad' and me, the neighbor who's kitty sat him from time to time, pet him. He's recently nipped their four year old son a couple of times on his hand and left a little mark, nothing that I personally would worry about, since it teaches the child boundaries, yet they are going to find Sammie a new home now. Sammie would most likely not do well with other cats, and he's grossly overweight which also might make his less adoptable. It makes me sick that this is an option for them. He's been with them for a long time. I care about my neighbors, but don't agree with them giving up on Sammie. I can't imagine how you deal with surrenders regularly. My opinion is keep up with your wonderful rescue work, and don't give in to less cats vs. better food. I bet the cats would second this. Bless you for all you do for your rescues. They are lucky to have you. Have a great Saturday, :) Wendy Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
Re: internist thinks Lucy has FIP-- Beth
Beth, how long did Ally live after diagnosis? Did you treat her with anything that seemed to help make her more comfortable? thanks, Michelle In a message dated 1/20/2007 11:11:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle, I am sorry you haven't had any good replies yet over on the FIP list, I am on that list too, they usually run slower and less detailed on replies than this amazing felv list. I don't have experience with FIP like the breeders on the list, but they often seem to distrust FIP diagnoses. Have you been to Dr. Addie's site on FIP? I believe she has a worksheet there that can help rule FIP in or out. My Ally was diagnosed as wet FIP by her regular vet, I am still not sure she was right, but here are the symptoms she had: lethargy recurring URI (whenever we tried to wean her off antibiotics) recurring fevers inappetance red swimmer's ear infection that wouldn't clear fluid in abdomen (not thick, barely tinted yellow inconsistent with FIP) big belly within a week. FCoV titre - 1:100 (again, not very indicative of FIP) FeLV+ FIP is so frustrating, I guess all of these symptoms can result from other problems. It sounds to me like you are treating her in the best possible manner. The only way I can see the surgery being helpful is if it could find another treatable cause of her symptoms. If it only rules FIP in or out, I too would choose not to put her through it. She has been fighting the fevers much better than my Ally did, so it may very well be something else. I so hope that she is rallying again as I type this... Strength, Beth
Re: internist thinks Lucy has FIP-- Beth
Hi Michelle, It breaks my heart to read of all you and Lucy are going through. I am so sorry. I will look for my paperwork on Ally to pinpoint her timeline, but as I remember, it was roughly something as follows: Live trapped at 6 weeks, sores on tongue, URI, eyes gunked shut, 14 oz. -10 days Amox? for URI, gentamycin for eyes 7 weeks: gained 1/2 pound, eyes clear, URI apparently gone -received first vaccines, (in retrospect, a mistake) test FeLV+ Next 2-3 weeks: finishes 10 day course of Amox., URI returns Switch to Clavamox, URI returns whenever we try to stop it. Eyes remain clean and healthy. 8 or 9 weeks: Notice scattering of teensy black dots in left ear. I rub them off and they don't return. Not earmites. I think it was the FIP putting holes in her capillaries. The next day her other ear is bright red. Vet gives panalog ointment, it does little to help. Appetite starts to lessen. Activity does too, but I don't notice at first because she just seems less aggresive, still very alert and bright-eyed. 10-12 weeks: Appetite and weight gain bad enough that I am syringe- feeding, although some days she does eat on her own. Spikes a high fever (106?) which comes down with steroids from the vet. I notice her belly swelling slightly at about 10.5 weeks, mention it to the vet, who doesn't see it. I start asking questions about FIP before the vet mentions it. She wants to do steroids and wait and see. Fever returns, doesn't respond as well to steroids or antibiotics. She goes between fever eyes and feeling better. Spends a lot of time cuddling (for warmth?) and purring. Belly develops a classic FIP look over the weekend. When the fever is down, she doesn't appear to be suffering, but when it is up, she looks terrible. Weight gain is just from fluid, anorexia is now apparent, spine protrudes in knobs from her back. I spent most of her last nite holding her on my chest, took her in when the vet opened for pts. She was in that inward fever stare and didn't seem aware of her surroundings. I will have to look at my records to see exactly what she was getting at the vets, she may have had a vitamin B shot at the first fever, along with prednisolone, but I'm not sure. I think that from the time her belly first looked swollen to me, to the end was only about 1.5 to 2 weeks. Your Lucy is bigger and stronger and has had much more knowledgeable care from you, she seems to be hanging in there better. I think I have read that FOI works better for wet FIP than for dry, I am so hoping that that is the case for Lucy. As far as making her comfortable, I don't think the big belly is painful for them, but the fevers make them feel awful. Controlling those as best you can and giving her a choice of warm and cool places to lay (as you have been) seems to me to be the most comforting thing you can do. And letting her curl-up on top of you when she wants. The amount of care and devotion you have shown to her through the IBD problems has been an inspiration to me. I hope that I can muster something like the same strength when my Will starts to have problems. I wish like anything you were not going through this. Hugs, Beth
To Beth
Hi Beth, Will Feral...LOLOLOL. What a GREAT name! I am sorry to hear that he is FeLV+, but that is not a death sentence. It is however a challenge. Many, many vets will say to pts, but my FeLV group does not believe in this. I wouldn't expect three more positives. FeLV is such a strange and unpredictable virus. I would get all these kitties on a great diet, like Innova Evo, and also on the immune stimulating supplements quickly if they are FeLV+. They can throw off this virus, so don't lose hope. If you need anything or have any questions, please email. Keep me posted. The FeLV online group is the BEST! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
To Beth
Beth, I have no experience with FIP. I do know that cats live long lives with it symptom free. I am not sure if the test for FIP is reliable (I think I read this somewhere), so I wouldn't worry myself over this. I read in my Cornell book that the coronavirus is a group of strains of viruses, one of which causes FIP, so the test your vet was referring to might have been one and the same, but not sure because of the different strains of coronavirus. It said the coronavirus is very common and as far as FIP goes, stress is the biggest factor in virus development. Cats with FIP usually have moderate to high titers of coronavirus, so if Alice had very faint, then the FIP strain might not have been what she had. The book also says that in multicat households, coronavirus is extremely common. There is no diagnostic test that can specifically identify carriers of the conronavirus, and a definitive clinical diagnosis of FIP can only be made during a necropsy (autopsy) after death or by a biopsy (not sure where or how). I would start giving your kitties L-lysine (make sure there is no propenol glycol in the ingredients), about 500 mg per day, if they are showing symptoms of the herpes virus (sneezing, conjunctivitis, etc.), which is also difficult to test for and believed to be fairly common (maybe as common as the cold sore virus that humans get). This will boost their immune systems to put the herpes virus into remission if that's what they have. And help their immune system as far as the coronavirus goes. Once they are symptom free, you can keep giving them 250 mg. per day of the lysine, or just keep them as stress free as possible. Keep us posted on these babies. And take care of yourself while you are grieving for Alice. :) Wendy --- Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you everyone for your condolences on Alice's passing. How ironic that a horrible experience like this leads to such a kind,wonderful group of people. I hate to ask again so soon, but I need some more advice. My sorrow for Ally is beginning to being eclipsed by panic for the fates of the others in our house. Does anyone here have any experience with FCoV and/or FIP? The vet called my husband with Ally's test results, said that it was a very,very slight positive antibody titre (1 in 100?). I'm not even sure if that is for FIP or coronavirus. The information we have been getting from the vet seems to conflict with what we are reading on the web. She seems to think it somewhat likely that they will come down with FIP as they were probably exposed at the same time as Ally, whereas some of the web sites say that only FCoV is transmisable, and that it then sometimes mutates into deadly FIP individually within each cat in response to stress. I threw out the thermometer I used on Ally, am running out to buy a new one so I can temp them all and isolate (where I don't know, I'm out of bedrooms) any that might be getting sick. They appear healthy so far, but all four of them have wet sneezes at least once a day, and three of them occasionally have a bit of eye gunk and always have a tiny bit of the 3rd eyelid showing way in the corner of their eyes. Blue seems syptom free so far, her eyes are clear and no sneezing, although she is getting eardrops for a mild infection. Any experiences you can share are greatly appreciated. Thank you so much, Beth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
