Re: hemobartonella question, from another list
I'll say, thanks! As if I am not busy enough, LOL! I got reamed out at my first job today, had to stay late to get reprimanded for not being fast enough and for being too "open" with my mouth. Then, I went to my second job. The I got home, and had to do all my Rescue/personal cat care jobs. And my first job wants me to come in EARLY tomorrow, to make up for how slow I was today. They do NOT understand I work there until 4:30 on a good day (today I was there until 5:30, yes, I got an HOUR of being reamed out), then I go to my second job, and was there tonight until 8:15, then I did my FIV+ cat's cage and let him out for a while, scooped the rest of the litterboxes, and NOW I am making dinner at 9:45pm. Even if I go straight to bed as soon as it is done and I can woof it down, I'll still only get a few hours sleep. Normally I get up at 7:00am to be at my first job at 8:00am, but they want me in at 6:00am tomorrow. Ahh, yeah, right. I told them I'd be there when I got there. The boss wasn't too impressed by me doing my nails while he was getting onto me though, LOL, at least I got that much in for myself. He was like, "Jenn, please look at me, what are you doing, I like to be looked at when I am speaking to someone." LOLOL I'm like yeah, sorry about that, but this job eats the skin off my hands and rips up my nails, and I wont have time to fix them tonight unless I do them now, cause I have to go to my other job after I leave here, and I don't like making eye contact because then I will start crying and have an anxiety attack... at which point, I broke down, and had an anxiety attack, LOL! Ahh, a day in the life, eh? MY biggest worry right now, is FAR away from that place, this poor FIV+ cat is SO sad in this cage, all alone all day. I REALLY wish I could at least find him a fosterhome for the meantime (in hopes of someone wanting a nice housecat adopting him, as opposed to being added to the feral colony like he will be if he stays here). I don't know how ANYONE runs a shelter with all the cats in cages like this, it's SO heartbreaking every night, to have to put him back in there, and tell him "I'm so sorry Zack" as he gives me this pitiful sounding pleading scratchy meow. But, what can I do? I can't let him out, he hates the other cats, plus he's not adjusted to the location yet, and if I let him out with the ferals he might try to go "home" to his "family" in Mass. I tell you what, I now know WHY most experienced rescuers have such a shitty attitude about "owner surrenders", it's because WE have to WATCH as their cat's hearts BREAK because of THEM. On one hand, I know they tried to find a place that allowed pets, but on the other, they didn't CRY when they left Zack here either, so how much did they really LOVE this cat? This cat LOVED THEM though, and he cries about it every day when I have to stop petting him and make dinner and go to bed and he has to go back in that cage for the next 23 and 1/2 hours! Anyways, you can see why my sh*tty day at work pales in comparison to the IMPORTANT things in my life. My boos, at one point, was talking about how good he is at his job, and I began to cry, and he's like "What, why are you crying?" and I was like "Because I'm REALLY good at doing the job that I love, but what I love to do costs me money, and I have to work a REAL job to pay for it." and anyways... yeah. I think he knows where my loyalties lay now, for better or worse. I got to go, eat quickly and go to bed... no time for a shower tonight. I'll catch up with email on Saturday, see you guys then! Jennhttp://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 4/18/2006
Re: hemobartonella question, from another list
Both exist (I can't believe your vets never heard of Hemobartonella) and they are different. Hemo is also know as Feline Infectious Anemia (also called feline hemotropic mycoplasmosis, infection by Hemobartonella felis, or infection by Mycoplasma haemophilus). Bartonella is what causes what is known as Cat Scratch Disease or Cat Scratch Fever. A Google search on hemobartonella and another on bartonella will have many results with lots of info on both. It would appear that Hemobartonella is much more serious. Gary - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:14 PM Subject: Re: hemobartonella question, from another list Belinda, can you explain, clinically and technically, the difference between Hemobartonella, and Bartonella? ALL of my local vets have NO knowledge of Hemobart existing, and I assumed it was what they call Bartonella, but if you say it is different, can you tell me what the difference is, so that I can educate them, so THEY can help more cats in the future. Any highly technical papers and studies you can find on the subject of HemoBartonella would be extremely helpful!
Re: hemobartonella question, from another list
Hi Jenn, Here are some links on each and the differences between them: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_bartonella.html [on bartonella] http://cats.about.com/cs/healthissues/a/urihelp.htm [on bartonella] http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/csd.html [on bartonella] http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol12no03/05-0931.htm [on bartonella] http://cdli.asm.org/cgi/content/full/6/4/558 [on bartonella] http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/525116_2 [on bartonella] http://www.mvma.org/convention_info_smallanimalii_felinebartonella.asp [on bartonella - this one is written in 2006, very good article] http://www.natvetlab.com [there is a picture of the test used to detect it and the severity of it, Bailey started as a +3 and after some treatment, we tried many different things, acupunture, chinese herbs, doxy after these he actually went to a +4, then we tried the zitromax and finally pulled his teeth. It was only after pulling his teeth that his lymph nodes completely resolved BUT I never did get a third test done, so he may very well still be positive, the test at my vets was about $180.00 a bit expensive, the retest was cheaper.] Here is one explaining the differences between the two: http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003&PID=6699&O=Generic Here is one associating bartonella with stomatitis: http://www.veterinarydental.com/veterinarians/fel_stom.php Now some on Hemobartonella or feline infectious anemia http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1692 http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_feline_infectious_anemia.html http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/CLERK/Cowgill/Index.htm http://www.petplace.com/cats/feline-infectious-anemia-hemobartonellosis/page1.aspx http://consumer.vetmedcenter.com/consumer/display.asp?fn=P-MR-M-Pa_5-hemobartso1XX.xml&dt=A http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1&cat=1314&articleid=292 http://www.fabcats.org/anaemia.html http://www.vetcentric.com/reference/encycEntry.cfm?ENTRY=88&COLLECTION=EncycIllness http://www.cnycatcare.com/showpracfaq.cfm?FAQID=2275&Private=1 That should keep them busy for a while :) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: hemobartonella question, from another list
Belinda, can you explain, clinically and technically, the difference between Hemobartonella, and Bartonella? ALL of my local vets have NO knowledge of Hemobart existing, and I assumed it was what they call Bartonella, but if you say it is different, can you tell me what the difference is, so that I can educate them, so THEY can help more cats in the future. Any highly technical papers and studies you can find on the subject of HemoBartonella would be extremely helpful! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.3/317 - Release Date: 4/18/2006
Re: hemobartonella question, from another list
Hi Jenn & Ermelinda, Just an FYI, bartonella is not the same thing as hemobartonella, bartonella usually shows up with swollen lymphnodes and many times stomastisis, Bailey was also positive for that and was on the Zithromax for 6 weeks, he also eventually had to have all but his canines and tiny teeth in between those pulled which finally relieved the stomatisis and the swollen lymphnodes. I never did get him retested for bartonella so not sure if he is still positive of not. It's been about two years ago and I can't remember how long it took for the lymphnodes to go down, but if there are mouth problems along with it and infection it probably won't completely resolve until that is addressed. Has kitty been checked for stomastsis? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
hemobartonella question, from another list
Can you guys reply back to this person personally ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ), she's not on this list, but I know many of you have dealth with hemobartonella: Message: 10 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:31:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Ermelinda Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Hello From a New Member and Bartonella QuestionHello,I thought that now would be a good chance for me tointroduce myself to the group. I am a doctoralstudent in Connecticut, and first got involved withferal cats when I helped my aunt catch, socialize, andfind homes for four feral kittens living under herdeck when I went home to the midwest for a longweekend. I used Alley Cat Allies fact sheets forguidance. Upon returning to Connecticut, I joined alocal rescue group in New Haven, and now serve ontheir Board as development director. I continue tovolunteer for this group, and also do private rescuework on my own.I do have a situation that I would like to describe toall of you, and would appreciate any feedback or inputyou might have. I recently trapped and socialized aferal kitten living in a parking lot. The kitten hasa wonderful home, with a close family member. We arefostering him right now, until he is well enough to goto this home. He was very sick when I caught him andthe veterinarian who treated him thought that it wasCalici. After treating him with Clavamox, he waslater diagnosed with a urinary infection, and treatedwith Baytril. When I took him in to be neutered, the veterinarianindicated that the lymph nodes in his hind legs werestill swollen (I was cognizant of this swelling, andwe were actively monitoring it). He was tested for,and diagnosed with, Bartonella. He has been onZithromax for just over two weeks. While I have notedsome decrease in the swelling of his lymph nodes, theyare still undeniably swollen.May I ask if any of you have faced a similar situationand, if so, how long it typically takes the swellingof the lymph nodes to significantly decrease? Although I am relatively new to rescue work, I amaware that Bartonella is tricky to treat. I wouldvalue any input you might have, and thank you inadvance for it.This group seems wonderfully supportive, and I lookforward to contributing.Sincerely,Ermelinda BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:O'Guin;Jennifer;D.;Ms. FN:Jennifer D. O'Guin NICKNAME:Jenn ORG:UCAT rescue;operations/field work TITLE:Cat Rescuer NOTE:I rescue cats. I run a small personal rescue operation, all on my own, and out of pocket. Donations appreciated at any time! Paypal donations can be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or send donations via check or money order to Jennifer O'Guin, PO Box 1008, Hardwick VT. 05843 TEL;WORK;VOICE:802-472-8628 TEL;HOME;VOICE:802 472-8628 ADR;WORK:;home office;;Hardwick;VT.;05843;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:home office=0D=0AHardwick, VT. 05843=0D=0AUSA ADR;HOME:;;P.O. Box 1008;Hardwick;Vermont;05843;USA LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:P.O. Box 1008=0D=0AHardwick, Vermont 05843=0D=0AUSA X-WAB-GENDER:1 URL;HOME:http://ucat.us URL;WORK:http://ucat.us/adopt.html BDAY:19750928 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20060419T022547Z END:VCARD No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.3/317 - Release Date: 4/18/2006
