Re: [Felvtalk] QUESTION

[gidget43]

Thank you for replying.  I will continue to keep a very close watch on her.
Nancy


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Hi Nancy    She could definitely be a carrier. I wouldn’t be concerned as long 
as her blood work is okay. Keep a close eye on her gums, inside of the ears, 
and pads to watch for any paleness which might signify anemia.    I don’t think 
she NEEDS any help right now, but you might consider trying her on a long 
course of Doxycycline to see if maybe you can eliminate the virus. I have no 
idea if it would work, but in the three-pronged treatment I recommend, I 
believe that Doxycycline is blocking viral replication of the FeLV virus. If 
your vet is willing, you could try the Doxycycline – I would think at least 6 
weeks – and then wait a while and test her again for FeLV. If you give it a 
shot and it works, let the rest of us know.    Amani    From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of gidge...@aol.com
Sent: February-23-19 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] QUESTION    Hello,  My girl is 4 years old and has had FeLV 
for 3 years.  We took in a kitten 3 years ago who tested negative for it.  The 
two were together after that and 6 months later, I found out the negative was 
false.  The kitten was actually a positive.  When I tested my other girl, she 
also had it.  Kitten has since passed after 3 years of living with it, but my 
other girl is still going strong.  I had her retested yesterday because you 
would just never know she has it.  It was still positive.  Could she be a 
carrier?  The vet was very pleased with the blood work as it was perfect.  He 
thought she may be a carrier.  Wanted to have your thoughts.  Although she is 
doing so well, should I be giving her something to help her?  Maybe to keep the 
immune system strong?  Thank you.      Nancy 
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Re: [Felvtalk] QUESTION

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Nancy

She could definitely be a carrier. I wouldn’t be concerned as long as her blood 
work is okay. Keep a close eye on her gums, inside of the ears, and pads to 
watch for any paleness which might signify anemia.

I don’t think she NEEDS any help right now, but you might consider trying her 
on a long course of Doxycycline to see if maybe you can eliminate the virus. I 
have no idea if it would work, but in the three-pronged treatment I recommend, 
I believe that Doxycycline is blocking viral replication of the FeLV virus. If 
your vet is willing, you could try the Doxycycline – I would think at least 6 
weeks – and then wait a while and test her again for FeLV. If you give it a 
shot and it works, let the rest of us know.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com
Sent: February-23-19 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] QUESTION

Hello,  My girl is 4 years old and has had FeLV for 3 years.  We took in a 
kitten 3 years ago who tested negative for it.  The two were together after 
that and 6 months later, I found out the negative was false.  The kitten was 
actually a positive.  When I tested my other girl, she also had it.  Kitten has 
since passed after 3 years of living with it, but my other girl is still going 
strong.  I had her retested yesterday because you would just never know she has 
it.  It was still positive.  Could she be a carrier?  The vet was very pleased 
with the blood work as it was perfect.  He thought she may be a carrier.  
Wanted to have your thoughts.  Although she is doing so well, should I be 
giving her something to help her?  Maybe to keep the immune system strong?  
Thank you.

Nancy
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[Felvtalk] QUESTION

[gidget43]

Hello,  My girl is 4 years old and has had FeLV for 3 years.  We took in a 
kitten 3 years ago who tested negative for it.  The two were together after 
that and 6 months later, I found out the negative was false.  The kitten was 
actually a positive.  When I tested my other girl, she also had it.  Kitten has 
since passed after 3 years of living with it, but my other girl is still going 
strong.  I had her retested yesterday because you would just never know she has 
it.  It was still positive.  Could she be a carrier?  The vet was very pleased 
with the blood work as it was perfect.  He thought she may be a carrier.  
Wanted to have your thoughts.  Although she is doing so well, should I be 
giving her something to help her?  Maybe to keep the immune system strong?  
Thank you.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV induced non-regenerative anemia treatment question

[Amani Oakley]

I think you’re low on the doxycycline. If you’re going to give it twice a day, 
stick to ¼ twice a day.

Also, if Oliver has trouble keeping food down (as my Zander did when I put this 
“protocol” together) I added metoclopramide ¼ tablet a little before I would 
feed him.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Oliver Mccann
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV induced non-regenerative anemia treatment question

Hi everyone,

My cat Oliver is 3.5 and has been diagnosed with FeLV and appears to have non 
regenerative anemia. So far he has been through 5 blood transfusions over the 
last month, the first 3 in the hospital in the first 6 days, and now he seems 
to be about a week to nine days in between. We couldn't get him stable enough 
to do a bone marrow aspiration before we started him on steroids so we don't 
have the full picture, but I want to do whatever I can to help.

I have perused the archives and I think I have come up with a treatment plan 
but I want to run it by everyone to see if I am doing it right.

So far I have seen the best treatment option to be


Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day



Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day



Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day
This is the most common treatment I see you guys recommend. Right now he is 
only on Prednisolone.

I have read about Acemannan and Sodium Ascorbate treatments that may work but I 
haven't seen any info on that in the archives. Also what so you guys think 
about LTCI?

Thanks is advance. We have insurance on the little guy so $$ is not much of a 
problem. We are willing to try anything.

Cheers,

-Ben Pavlichek
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[Felvtalk] FeLV induced non-regenerative anemia treatment question

[Oliver Mccann]

Hi everyone,
My cat Oliver is 3.5 and has been diagnosed with FeLV and appears to have non 
regenerative anemia. So far he has been through 5 blood transfusions over the 
last month, the first 3 in the hospital in the first 6 days, and now he seems 
to be about a week to nine days in between. We couldn't get him stable enough 
to do a bone marrow aspiration before we started him on steroids so we don't 
have the full picture, but I want to do whatever I can to help. 
I have perused the archives and I think I have come up with a treatment plan 
but I want to run it by everyone to see if I am doing it right. 
So far I have seen the best treatment option to be 
Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a dayThis is the most common treatment I 
see you guys recommend. Right now he is only on Prednisolone. 
I have read about Acemannan and Sodium Ascorbate treatments that may work but I 
haven't seen any info on that in the archives. Also what so you guys think 
about LTCI?
Thanks is advance. We have insurance on the little guy so $$ is not much of a 
problem. We are willing to try anything.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[dlgegg]

Are vet schools doing much to find a cure?

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for afflicted 
> cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary arsenal to combat it.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
> Robertson
> Sent: December-03-17 12:00 PM
> To: 'Margo'; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
> 
> Margo - I don't know much about FIV - is that fatal as often as FeLV?
> 
> Thank you,
> Ardy 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:36 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
> 
> 
> Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, 
> water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other 
> than by physical contact. 
> 
> Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission;
> 
> "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies"
> 
> FelV spreads thru close friendly contact
> 
> FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are 
> altered...right?)
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: dlg...@windstream.net
> >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
> >
> >Since the vet is not worried, why should you?  I thought about that when I 
> >took Annie in.
> >
> > Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
> >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in 
> >> his carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed 
> >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients.
> >
> >Ardy
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> >Of Theresa O'Rourke
> >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
> >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
> >
> >Thank you Lorrie,
> >
> >So happy I joined this group.
> >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
> >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
> >However, I won’t do this again,
> >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through 
> >this again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure 
> >that is NOT NECESSARY.
> >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so 
> >neurotic. 
> >
> >
> >Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
> >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
> >> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand 
> >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully 
> >> developed.
> >> 
> >> Lorrie
> >> 
> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was 
> >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the 
> >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) 
> >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy 
> >>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the 
> >>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and 
> >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read 
> >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with 
> >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
> >>> 
> >>> Amani
> >>> 
> >> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[Amani Oakley]

Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for afflicted 
cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary arsenal to combat it.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: December-03-17 12:00 PM
To: 'Margo'; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question

Margo - I don't know much about FIV - is that fatal as often as FeLV?

Thank you,
Ardy 

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:36 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question


Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water 
and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by 
physical contact. 

Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission;

"FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies"

FelV spreads thru close friendly contact

FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are 
altered...right?)

Margo



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>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Since the vet is not worried, why should you?  I thought about that when I 
>took Annie in.
>
> Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
>> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his 
>> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed 
>> concerned about spreading it to the other patients.
>
>Ardy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of Theresa O'Rourke
>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Thank you Lorrie,
>
>So happy I joined this group.
>I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
>clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
>However, I won’t do this again,
>Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this 
>again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is 
>NOT NECESSARY.
>IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so 
>neurotic. 
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
>> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
>> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand 
>> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully 
>> developed.
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
>>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>> 
>>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was 
>>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the 
>>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) 
>>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy 
>>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the 
>>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and 
>>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read 
>>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with 
>>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>>> 
>>> Amani
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[Ardy Robertson]

I try to do that too -- although I am surrounded by Amish farms who do not 
neuter their animals, and I have so many strays coming here - mostly for food. 
I do neuter as many as I can after they have been here for a while.

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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 6:29 AM
To: Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question

Re:  spay/neuter, First I give them 2 weeks for an owner to show up and then it 
is off to the vet for an exam and spay/neuter.  I do not want to be a 
contributor to unwanted kittens/puppies plus they will live longer healthier 
lives.

 Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
> 
Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water 
and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by 
physical contact. 

Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission;

"FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies"

FelV spreads thru close friendly contact

FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are 
altered...right?)

Margo



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>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Since the vet is not worried, why should you?  I thought about that when I 
>took Annie in.
>
> Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
>> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his 
>> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed 
>> concerned about spreading it to the other patients.
>
>Ardy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of Theresa O'Rourke
>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Thank you Lorrie,
>
>So happy I joined this group.
>I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
>clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
>However, I won’t do this again,
>Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this 
>again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is 
>NOT NECESSARY.
>IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so 
>neurotic. 
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
>> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
>> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand 
>> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully 
>> developed.
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
>>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>> 
>>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was 
>>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the 
>>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) 
>>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy 
>>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the 
>>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and 
>>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read 
>>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with 
>>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>>> 
>>> Amani
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[Ardy Robertson]

Margo - I don't know much about FIV - is that fatal as often as FeLV?

Thank you,
Ardy 

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:36 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question


Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water 
and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by 
physical contact. 

Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission;

"FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies"

FelV spreads thru close friendly contact

FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are 
altered...right?)

Margo



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>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Since the vet is not worried, why should you?  I thought about that when I 
>took Annie in.
>
> Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
>> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his 
>> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed 
>> concerned about spreading it to the other patients.
>
>Ardy
>
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>Of Theresa O'Rourke
>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Thank you Lorrie,
>
>So happy I joined this group.
>I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
>clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
>However, I won’t do this again,
>Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this 
>again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is 
>NOT NECESSARY.
>IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so 
>neurotic. 
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
>> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
>> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand 
>> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully 
>> developed.
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
>>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>> 
>>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was 
>>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the 
>>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) 
>>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy 
>>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the 
>>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and 
>>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read 
>>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with 
>>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>>> 
>>> Amani
>>> 
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[Theresa O'Rourke]

Thank you

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 30, 2017, at 7:29 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> 
> Re:  spay/neuter, First I give them 2 weeks for an owner to show up and then 
> it is off to the vet for an exam and spay/neuter.  I do not want to be a 
> contributor to unwanted kittens/puppies plus they will live longer healthier 
> lives.
> 
>  Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
>> 
> Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, 
> water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other 
> than by physical contact. 
> 
> Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission;
> 
> "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies"
> 
> FelV spreads thru close friendly contact
> 
> FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are 
> altered...right?)
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: dlg...@windstream.net
>> Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>> 
>> Since the vet is not worried, why should you?  I thought about that when I 
>> took Annie in.
>> 
>>  Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
>>> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his 
>>> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed 
>>> concerned about spreading it to the other patients.
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Theresa O'Rourke
>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
>> To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>> 
>> Thank you Lorrie,
>> 
>> So happy I joined this group.
>> I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
>> clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
>> However, I won’t do this again,
>> Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through 
>> this again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure 
>> that is NOT NECESSARY.
>> IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
>>> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
>>> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand
>>> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully
>>> developed.
>>> 
>>> Lorrie 
>>> 
>>>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was
>>>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the
>>>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.)
>>>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little
>>>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in
>>>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and
>>>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read
>>>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with
>>>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>>>> 
>>>> Amani
>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[dlgegg]

Re:  spay/neuter, First I give them 2 weeks for an owner to show up and then it 
is off to the vet for an exam and spay/neuter.  I do not want to be a 
contributor to unwanted kittens/puppies plus they will live longer healthier 
lives.

 Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
> 
Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water 
and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by 
physical contact. 

Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission;

"FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies"

FelV spreads thru close friendly contact

FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are 
altered...right?)

Margo



-Original Message-
>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Since the vet is not worried, why should you?  I thought about that when I 
>took Annie in.
>
> Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
>> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his 
>> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed 
>> concerned about spreading it to the other patients.
>
>Ardy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>Theresa O'Rourke
>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Thank you Lorrie,
>
>So happy I joined this group.
>I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
>clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
>However, I won’t do this again,
>Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this 
>again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is 
>NOT NECESSARY.
>IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
>> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
>> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand
>> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully
>> developed.
>> 
>> Lorrie 
>> 
>>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>> 
>>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was
>>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the
>>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.)
>>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little
>>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in
>>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and
>>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read
>>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with
>>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>>> 
>>> Amani
>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[Margo]

Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water 
and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by 
physical contact. 

Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission;

"FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies"

FelV spreads thru close friendly contact

FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are 
altered...right?)

Margo



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>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Since the vet is not worried, why should you?  I thought about that when I 
>took Annie in.
>
> Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
>> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his 
>> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed 
>> concerned about spreading it to the other patients.
>
>Ardy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>Theresa O'Rourke
>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Thank you Lorrie,
>
>So happy I joined this group.
>I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
>clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
>However, I won’t do this again,
>Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this 
>again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is 
>NOT NECESSARY.
>IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
>> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
>> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand
>> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully
>> developed.
>> 
>> Lorrie 
>> 
>>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>> 
>>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was
>>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the
>>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.)
>>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little
>>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in
>>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and
>>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read
>>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with
>>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>>> 
>>> Amani
>>> 
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[Theresa O'Rourke]

Thank you,
For all your wonderful responses.

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> On Nov 29, 2017, at 12:16 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> 
> Since the vet is not worried, why should you?  I thought about that when I 
> took Annie in.
> 
>  Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
>> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his 
>> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed 
>> concerned about spreading it to the other patients.
> 
> Ardy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Theresa O'Rourke
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
> To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
> 
> Thank you Lorrie,
> 
> So happy I joined this group.
> I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
> clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
> However, I won’t do this again,
> Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this 
> again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that 
> is NOT NECESSARY.
> IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
>> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
>> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand
>> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully
>> developed.
>> 
>> Lorrie 
>> 
>>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>> 
>>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was
>>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the
>>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.)
>>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little
>>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in
>>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and
>>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read
>>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with
>>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>>> 
>>> Amani
>>> 
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[dlgegg]

Since the vet is not worried, why should you?  I thought about that when I took 
Annie in.

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his 
> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed concerned 
> about spreading it to the other patients.

Ardy

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Theresa O'Rourke
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question

Thank you Lorrie,

So happy I joined this group.
I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
However, I won’t do this again,
Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this 
again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is 
NOT NECESSARY.
IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 


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> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
> 
> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand
> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully
> developed.
> 
> Lorrie 
> 
>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
>> 
>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was
>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the
>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.)
>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little
>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in
>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and
>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read
>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with
>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
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I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his 
carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed concerned 
about spreading it to the other patients.

Ardy

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Theresa O'Rourke
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question

Thank you Lorrie,

So happy I joined this group.
I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
However, I won’t do this again,
Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this 
again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is 
NOT NECESSARY.
IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 


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> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
> 
> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand
> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully
> developed.
> 
> Lorrie 
> 
>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
>> 
>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was
>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the
>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.)
>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little
>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in
>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and
>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read
>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with
>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
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Thank you Lorrie,

So happy I joined this group.
I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with
Other cat’s,
And clean well after,
The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
However, I won’t do this again, 
Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and
Won’t go through this again! ☺️☺️
I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out,
But sure that is NOT NECESSARY.
IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own,
I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 


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> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand
> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully
> developed.
> 
> Lorrie 
> 
>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
>> 
>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was
>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the
>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.)
>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little
>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in
>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and
>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read
>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with
>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
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[Lorrie]

This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand
FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully
developed.

Lorrie 

On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:

> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was
> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the
> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.)
> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little
> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in
> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and
> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read
> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with
> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
> 
> Amani
> 

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[dlgegg]

I have had feral and dump cats for over 40 years, including 4 FELV cats.  I 
have never had to wash anything when one of them passed.  None of my FELV 
negative cats ever contracted the disease and all have died of old age 
including Annie who was FELV and over 10 years.  They eat from the same bowls, 
sleep on the same beds.  It has to do with the age of the cts.  If your cts are 
under 1 year, they are more likely to contract the disease because their imune 
system is not as strong.

 Theresa O'Rourke  wrote: 
> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room 
for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat 
goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats also and want 
to know if they can catch
The disease. 

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[Theresa O'Rourke]

Thank you, that is one of the best answers I’ve received. I won’t do this 
again, because
I take care of other’s cats. However, for this time, the cat will be in his own 
room, he’ll have special toys I’ll throw out after, I’ll play with him, and 
brush him, poor thing. 
I’ll wash my hands and change clothes, it may be fanatic, but whatever..
However, after he leaves, I’ll wash everything, and give the room and floor a 
big cleaning. So all should be well,
I promised my daughter,
But I won’t do it again.
Thank you for the great answer!!! 
Poor cat, it is so sad.

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> On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Shelley Theye <ve...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Actually, Feline Leukemia can also be transmitted through ‘friendly’ contact. 
>  Sharing food/water and grooming each other over a period of time.
> The virus only lives for a few hours in the environment, so really just 
> cleaning out the food/water bowls and litter box after the cat leaves 
> should suffice, and check to see if any wet spots on floor,  etc. from water 
> or urine and disinfect just to be on the safe side.
> 
> You might want to have different shoes on too?  and clothes, if you will be 
> playing with and handling the cat a lot, in case drools on you…but that might 
> be 
> going overboard.  Definitely wash hands after handling...
> 
> Shelley 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com wrote:
>> 
>> My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with 
>> blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily 
>> through a bite.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Theresa O'Rourke <theresa.orou...@videotron.ca>
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST)
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question
>> 
>> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
>> My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate 
>> room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after 
>> the cat goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats 
>> also and want to know if they can catch
>> The disease. 
>> 
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[Gloria]

Immune system plays a huge part-usually mature cats have a vibrant immune 
system, it’s the very young or older cats that would be more at risk, IMO.
Also, the FeLV cat’s immune system is compromised, I believe, so contact with 
other cats would be something to consider for the health of the FeLV diagnosed 
cat.
I have a cat diagnosed in 2010, that I strongly feel beat the virus-(answer to 
Prayer) he was older when I found him, the vet guessing him to be around 1 year 
old.
We keep him in our guest room with a modified door so he “participates” in the 
hall/house activities and the room is ventilated.
I will not take him to the vet unless he becomes ill-keeping the STRESS down so 
no testing! 
My practice is to wash my hands with alcohol and or soap for 20 seconds
before & after I’m in his room. I keep his dishes sterile, no shared food or 
water or containers- but that’s about it.
Now- this is my practice and everyone needs to follow his/her own inner voice 
on this matter- just sharing - not pushing an agenda. lol
Gloria, furmommy to Buddy Luv
-g 
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> On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:04 AM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was infected, 
> despite the fact that our vet initially said that the infection would 
> decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) That was the case event 
> though we never isolated our FeLV little boy (it would have been fairly 
> pointless as he had already been in the house almost a year by then) and even 
> though he played with and groomed several of the other cats in the house. I 
> have since read repeatedly that it really isn’t that infectious, especially 
> with adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Theresa O'Rourke
> Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question
> 
> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
> My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate 
> room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after 
> the cat goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats 
> also and want to know if they can catch The disease. 
> 
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[Amani Oakley]

As I said – I had a cat in with at least 8 other cats for 7 years with no 
transmission. They shared food and water bowls, beds, grooming, playing, 
biting, scratching - the whole nine yards. I don’t think it is particularly 
contagious with older cats.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Shelley Theye
Sent: November-22-17 2:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question

Actually, Feline Leukemia can also be transmitted through ‘friendly’ contact.  
Sharing food/water and grooming each other over a period of time.
The virus only lives for a few hours in the environment, so really just 
cleaning out the food/water bowls and litter box after the cat leaves
should suffice, and check to see if any wet spots on floor,  etc. from water or 
urine and disinfect just to be on the safe side.

You might want to have different shoes on too?  and clothes, if you will be 
playing with and handling the cat a lot, in case drools on you…but that might be
going overboard.  Definitely wash hands after handling...

Shelley



On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com<mailto:kresch...@mchsi.com> 
wrote:

My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with blood 
or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily through a 
bite.
- Original Message -
From: Theresa O'Rourke 
<theresa.orou...@videotron.ca<mailto:theresa.orou...@videotron.ca>>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question

I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room 
for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat 
goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats also and want 
to know if they can catch
The disease.

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[Shelley Theye]

Actually, Feline Leukemia can also be transmitted through ‘friendly’ contact.  
Sharing food/water and grooming each other over a period of time.
The virus only lives for a few hours in the environment, so really just 
cleaning out the food/water bowls and litter box after the cat leaves 
should suffice, and check to see if any wet spots on floor,  etc. from water or 
urine and disinfect just to be on the safe side.

You might want to have different shoes on too?  and clothes, if you will be 
playing with and handling the cat a lot, in case drools on you…but that might 
be 
going overboard.  Definitely wash hands after handling...

Shelley 


> On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com wrote:
> 
> My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with 
> blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily 
> through a bite.
> - Original Message -
> From: Theresa O'Rourke <theresa.orou...@videotron.ca>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question
> 
> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
> My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate 
> room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after 
> the cat goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats 
> also and want to know if they can catch
> The disease. 
> 
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[Theresa O'Rourke]

Thank you!

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:30 AM, marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From what I read (scientific articles) the virus might stay in the room from 
> 2 to 7 days. No conclusive data on this, but be careful. Even if a bite is 
> surely the most common way to catch Felv 
> 
> Inviato da iPhone
> 
>> Il giorno 22 nov 2017, alle ore 17:03, kresch...@mchsi.com ha scritto:
>> 
>> My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with 
>> blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily 
>> through a bite.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Theresa O'Rourke <theresa.orou...@videotron.ca>
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST)
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question
>> 
>> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
>> My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate 
>> room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after 
>> the cat goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats 
>> also and want to know if they can catch
>> The disease. 
>> 
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[Theresa O'Rourke]

Thank you!

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was infected, 
> despite the fact that our vet initially said that the infection would 
> decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) That was the case event 
> though we never isolated our FeLV little boy (it would have been fairly 
> pointless as he had already been in the house almost a year by then) and even 
> though he played with and groomed several of the other cats in the house. I 
> have since read repeatedly that it really isn’t that infectious, especially 
> with adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Theresa O'Rourke
> Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question
> 
> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
> My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate 
> room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after 
> the cat goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats 
> also and want to know if they can catch The disease. 
> 
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[Theresa O'Rourke]

Thank you!

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com wrote:
> 
> My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with 
> blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily 
> through a bite.
> - Original Message -
> From: Theresa O'Rourke <theresa.orou...@videotron.ca>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question
> 
> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
> My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate 
> room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after 
> the cat goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats 
> also and want to know if they can catch
> The disease. 
> 
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[Amani Oakley]

We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was infected, 
despite the fact that our vet initially said that the infection would decimate 
the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) That was the case event though we 
never isolated our FeLV little boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he 
had already been in the house almost a year by then) and even though he played 
with and groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read 
repeatedly that it really isn’t that infectious, especially with adult cats. It 
is more of a risk with young kittens.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Theresa O'Rourke
Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question

I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room 
for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat 
goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats also and want 
to know if they can catch The disease. 

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[marlene melpignano]

From what I read (scientific articles) the virus might stay in the room from 2 
to 7 days. No conclusive data on this, but be careful. Even if a bite is surely 
the most common way to catch Felv 

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 22 nov 2017, alle ore 17:03, kresch...@mchsi.com ha scritto:
> 
> My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with 
> blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily 
> through a bite.
> - Original Message -
> From: Theresa O'Rourke <theresa.orou...@videotron.ca>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question
> 
> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
> My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate 
> room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after 
> the cat goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats 
> also and want to know if they can catch
> The disease. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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[kresch831]

My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with blood 
or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily through a 
bite.
- Original Message -
From: Theresa O'Rourke <theresa.orou...@videotron.ca>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question

I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room 
for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat 
goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats also and want 
to know if they can catch
The disease. 

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[Felvtalk] Question

[Theresa O'Rourke]

I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room 
for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat 
goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats also and want 
to know if they can catch
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Re: [Felvtalk] Another question(s) about Zander's protocol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Molly

I hate to relate this again, because I have explained how I came to stumble on 
Zander’s protocol.

To answer your question directly, it was totally trial and error. I too have a 
background in sciences and health care, and that played into my experience as 
well. So here is my summary from one of my first emails to this group:

I would like to share what I think is very important information with others 
who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia.

I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died 
from something else that I don’t believe was related to the leukemia. When the 
vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with leukemia 
(and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and I had given 
him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to any great 
degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in the 
cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat.

This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we were 
performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After being 
put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb very 
quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't believe the 
lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods in about six 
months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, gums and pads to 
check the status of his profound anemia, and to our unbelievable joy, he began 
to get pink and his lab results just kept getting better. After about a year, I 
called back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us 
there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my surprise 
- and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" and that 
Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible liver damage 
associated with it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My 
cat was dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even 
with a potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our 
experience, on a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would 
drop back down to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. 
We monitored our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial 
crisis, and if I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC 
came back with a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back 
on the Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up.

The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him to 
eat when he was so very sick.

I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and when 
he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day for a 
maintenance dose. That was given along with ½ a tablet of prednisolone, twice a 
day, and ½ a tablet of 100mg Doxycycline, twice a day.

I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a 
science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory 
medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using this 
knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other 
situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that it 
has come through more often than not.

I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and medical 
community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in circumstances 
where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other options and their 
kitten or cat will die.

I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of 
veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that due to the 
association of Winstrol with athletic doping scandals, the scientific community 
as a whole has decided to abandon what might indeed be a promising drug. This 
saddens me but I simply can see no other explanation. I mean really - does it 
make sense to hear from vets that the drug MAY cause liver disease, when your 
animal is dying Wouldn't you expect to be given that option in those 
circumstances, and to be permitted as  the pet owner to understand the risks??? 
Personally, I think that the risk of permanent liver damage is not a 
significant risk. The  information I have been able to find - buried so very 
deeply as to be almost unable to be found on the Internet - points to any 
change in the liver enzymes as being transitory and not representing any 
lasting liver damage. That was certainly our experience. Because Zander's 
condition was so dire, even when his liver enzymes started to go up, I decided 
to keep him on the Winstrol because I could see that his bone marrow had turned 
back on again and he was producing red cells ( with his reticulocyte level 
startin

[Felvtalk] Another question(s) about Zander's protocol

[Molly Mou]

Thank you Amani, Bob, Sandy and Ardy for your input.
I was wondering how did Zander's protocol originate? Was is trial and error or 
a known remedy? How did 'they' or you know what meds would work for FeLV cats 
and how was the combination decided? Just wanted some background to give my vet 
when I talk with her. 
Thanks again everyone. You are all so supportive!
Yes, I do have a medical background. I'm a retired vet tech so I'm glad I have 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone

[Amani Oakley]

No - go ahead and give it to her. The prednisone and prednisolone are often 
given interchangeably in my experience. By the way, when I have been given 
prednisolone, it is also white and round and scored. I have never gotten an 
oblong pill.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri 
Godschalk
Sent: September-21-16 8:43 PM
To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone

Hi Margo,
Both the viles are marked Prednisolone so I believe they mismarked this and put 
the wrong pill in there(Prednisone). I didn't realize that I HAD been giving 
her Prednisolone until right this moment. I am not sure what to do. She is due 
now for the pill but I feel like I should skip this dose and get to the vet 
first thing in the morning to get the other. Do you agree? Will it hurt her to 
miss a dose?

From: Felvtalk 
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 on behalf of Margo 
<toomanykitti...@earthlink.net<mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>>
Reply-To: Margo 
<toomanykitti...@earthlink.net<mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>>, 
<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 8:26 PM
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone


Sorry, it's 5 mg predniSONE.

What you had before was likely predniSOLONE.

Prednisolone s considered by many to be better for cats, because predniSONE 
must be proceesed in the liver before it is the useable form predniSOLONE

Sorry
-Original Message-
From: Sherri Godschalk
Sent: Sep 21, 2016 8:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone


Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV + cat 
named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one she ran 
out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this one is a 
round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the reverse. I 
fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says Prednisone 
5mg on the front. If I could ask...what does the Pred pill look like that you 
are giving your cat? I don't want to miss a dose but also don't want to give 
her the wrong med. Thanks in advance.

Sherri and Bogey


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Re: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone

[Sherri Godschalk]

Hi Margo,
Both the viles are marked Prednisolone so I believe they mismarked this and
put the wrong pill in there(Prednisone). I didn¹t realize that I HAD been
giving her Prednisolone until right this moment. I am not sure what to do.
She is due now for the pill but I feel like I should skip this dose and get
to the vet first thing in the morning to get the other. Do you agree? Will
it hurt her to miss a dose?

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Margo
<toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
Reply-To:  Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>,
<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 8:26 PM
To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about
Prednisone


Sorry, it's 5 mg predniSONE.

What you had before was likely predniSOLONE.

Prednisolone s considered by many to be better for cats, because predniSONE
must be proceesed in the liver before it is the useable form predniSOLONE

Sorry

> -Original Message-
> From: Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: Sep 21, 2016 8:23 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone
> 
> Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV + cat
> named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one she ran
> out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this one is a
> round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the reverse. I
> fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says
> Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could askŠwhat does the Pred pill look like
> that you are giving your cat? I don¹t want to miss a dose but also don¹t want
> to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Sherri and Bogey
> 
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[Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone

[Margo]

Sorry, it's 5 mg predniSONE.What you had before was likely predniSOLONE.Prednisolone s considered by many to be better for cats, because predniSONE must be proceesed in the liver before it is the useable form predniSOLONESorry-Original Message-
From: Sherri Godschalk <skgodschal...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sep 21, 2016 8:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone

Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV + cat named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one she ran out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this one is a round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the reverse. I fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could ask…what does the Pred pill look like that you are giving your cat? I don’t want to miss a dose but also don’t want to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance.Sherri and Bogey


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Re: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone

[Margo]

It's also 5 mg prednisolone;https://www.drugs.com/imprints/50-94-v-6551.htmlHTH,Margo-Original Message-
From: Sherri Godschalk <skgodschal...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sep 21, 2016 8:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone

Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV + cat named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one she ran out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this one is a round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the reverse. I fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could ask…what does the Pred pill look like that you are giving your cat? I don’t want to miss a dose but also don’t want to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance.Sherri and Bogey


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[Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone

[Sherri Godschalk]

Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV + cat
named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one she ran
out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this one is
a round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the reverse.
I fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says
Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could askŠwhat does the Pred pill look
like that you are giving your cat? I don¹t want to miss a dose but also
don¹t want to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance.

Sherri and Bogey



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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question

[dlgegg]

I have not used flea treatments for 4 or 5 years now and all cats are still 
free from fleas.  I do have a yard full of catnip and 4 large pots of lemon 
grass on the deck.  Both are supposed to repel fleas.
Now tgell me how to keep ringneck snakes out of the house.  Discovered Harley 
and Dee playing with 2 in the living rom.  I picked them up and threw them 
outside, but now wonder if any other kind of snakes have gotten in.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question

[Kelley S]

Timmy's Dirty Flea Soap is the best.  http://www.dirtyflea.com/

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Sandy <swacht1...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Use Deamateous Earth _ FOOD GRADE  - think the spelling may be off - I
> believe it's available from Home Depot or order online
> Sandy W
>
> --
> *From: *"Margo" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
> *To: *"Karen Harshbarger" <harshbargerka...@yahoo.com>,
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:33:53 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question
>
>
>
> I'm having flea issues, as well. Mako went to a specialist (for non-FeLV
> related problems) and they recommended Comfortis. I had to order from
> Valley Vet, and gave it to him 8/26. So far so good. It seems to have done
> the job, but I also use flea traps, and treated the other cats as well. For
> most of the year, I was okay using (generic) Capstar and flea traps.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Karen Harshbarger
> Sent: Aug 30, 2016 3:23 PM
> To: Felvtalk
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question
>
>   As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver
> complications this month.  I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as
> I am struggling to save his brother Ash.  Ash tested positive again this
> month (4 years ago tested positive once and then negative twice).  However
> his blood work shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and
> playing and going to the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has
> recommended no treatment or preventatives at this time.  They only suggest
> another blood work check in one to 4 months and flea treatment.
>
> Ash and  his brother have fleas.  I know I must treat but that seems like
> when Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline
> twice.
> Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds and
> blankets and cleaned their living quarters.  I fear that the fleas or
> treatment or both did something to Cole to take his life.  But I know I
> have to treat fleas too.  I have tried combing everyday, but that does not
> work either.
>
> Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats.  It has worked well for me
> for other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash with the
> feline leukemia.  As I said I used Frontline originally cause I was told it
> was safer because it could be used on young kittens even.  Ash is 4 1/2
> years old and I know I have to do something about the fleas.  Please let me
> know if you have used Vectra flea treatment.  Or if you use something else
> successfully or don't use flea treatment at all with feline leukemia.  Ash
> never goes outside, so I don't know where they got the fleas unless at vet
> or we brought the fleas in from outside on shoes, etc.
>
> Please Helpthis is urgent as I feel I must do something to get rid of
> fleas that already seem out of hand since 2 treatments of Frontline did not
> work, and I am so worried about anything with Ash with his positive on the
> feline leukemia test at the vet and after loosing Cole.  My heart just cant
> loose another of my fur babies.  Please Help!!!
>
> Thank you, Karen and kitties Ash and BJ and angle Cole
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question

[Sandy]

Use Deamateous Earth _ FOOD GRADE - think the spelling may be off - I believe 
it's available from Home Depot or order online 
Sandy W 

- Original Message -

From: "Margo" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> 
To: "Karen Harshbarger" <harshbargerka...@yahoo.com>, 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:33:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question 


I'm having flea issues, as well. Mako went to a specialist (for non-FeLV 
related problems) and they recommended Comfortis. I had to order from Valley 
Vet, and gave it to him 8/26. So far so good. It seems to have done the job, 
but I also use flea traps, and treated the other cats as well. For most of the 
year, I was okay using (generic) Capstar and flea traps. 



-Original Message- 
From: Karen Harshbarger 
Sent: Aug 30, 2016 3:23 PM 
To: Felvtalk 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question 

As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver 
complications this month. I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as I am 
struggling to save his brother Ash. Ash tested positive again this month (4 
years ago tested positive once and then negative twice). However his blood work 
shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and playing and going to 
the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has recommended no treatment or 
preventatives at this time. They only suggest another blood work check in one 
to 4 months and flea treatment. 

Ash and his brother have fleas. I know I must treat but that seems like when 
Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline twice. 
Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds and 
blankets and cleaned their living quarters. I fear that the fleas or treatment 
or both did something to Cole to take his life. But I know I have to treat 
fleas too. I have tried combing everyday, but that does not work either. 

Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats. It has worked well for me for 
other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash with the feline 
leukemia. As I said I used Frontline originally cause I was told it was safer 
because it could be used on young kittens even. Ash is 4 1/2 years old and I 
know I have to do something about the fleas. Please let me know if you have 
used Vectra flea treatment. Or if you use something else successfully or don't 
use flea treatment at all with feline leukemia. Ash never goes outside, so I 
don't know where they got the fleas unless at vet or we brought the fleas in 
from outside on shoes, etc. 

Please Helpthis is urgent as I feel I must do something to get rid of fleas 
that already seem out of hand since 2 treatments of Frontline did not work, and 
I am so worried about anything with Ash with his positive on the feline 
leukemia test at the vet and after loosing Cole. My heart just cant loose 
another of my fur babies. Please Help!!! 

Thank you, Karen and kitties Ash and BJ and angle Cole 




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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question

[Margo]

I'm having flea issues, as well. Mako went to a specialist (for non-FeLV  related problems) and they recommended Comfortis. I had to order from Valley Vet, and gave it to him 8/26. So far so good. It seems to have done the job, but I also use flea traps, and treated the other cats as well. For most of the year, I was okay using (generic) Capstar and flea traps. -Original Message-
From: Karen Harshbarger <harshbargerka...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Aug 30, 2016 3:23 PM
To: Felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question

  As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver complications this month.  I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as I am struggling to save his brother Ash.  Ash tested positive again this month (4 years ago tested positive once and then negative twice).  However his blood work shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and playing and going to the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has recommended no treatment or preventatives at this time.  They only suggest another blood work check in one to 4 months and flea treatment.Ash and  his brother have fleas.  I know I must treat but that seems like when Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline twice.Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds and blankets and cleaned their living quarters.  I fear that the fleas or treatment or both did something to Cole to take his life.  But I know I have to treat fleas too.  I have tried combing everyday, but that does not work either.  Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats.  It has worked well for me for other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash with the feline leukemia.  As I said I used Frontline originally cause I was told it was safer because it could be used on young kittens even.  Ash is 4 1/2 years old and I know I have to do something about the fleas.  Please let me know if you have used Vectra flea treatment.  Or if you use something else successfully or don't use flea treatment at all with feline leukemia.  Ash never goes outside, so I don't know where they got the fleas unless at vet or we brought the fleas in from outside on shoes, etc.  Please Helpthis is urgent as I feel I must do something to get rid of fleas that already seem out of hand since 2 treatments of Frontline did not work, and I am so worried about anything with Ash with his positive on the feline leukemia test at the vet and after loosing Cole.  My heart just cant loose another of my fur babies.  Please Help!!!Thank you, Karen and kitties Ash and BJ and angle Cole

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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question

[dlgegg]

I stopped usiong any flea drops, collars when one of my cats began loosing hair 
around the sit of applicatio.  They all had physical adverse signs so I stopped 
using them.  I now have lemon grass and catnip which repels fleas and ticks and 
have not had a problem for the last 5 years.

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Hi Karen
> 
> While I don’t have any reason to believe there is a link between use of the 
> Frontline Flea treatment and Cole’s problems, it is probably wise to be 
> cautious with a medication which is absorbed internally and probably 
> processed through the liver, etc. Just hypothetically, it might be possible 
> that cats with FeLV which is in abeyance (their body has managed to hold off 
> on the worst of the problems) may have the balance tipped to the negative by 
> something that might stress their body and which might, in other cats, not 
> cause a problem.
> 
> However, I definitely agree you MUST control the fleas for Ash. As you know, 
> one of the worst effects of the FeLV virus is to cause an anemia, and a flea 
> infestation will no doubt hasten or worsen that problem. Fleas also often 
> pass on the Bartonella parasite, which infects and destroys red cells in the 
> host animal and causes other problems. If Ash is doing okay, you don’t want 
> to tip that scale.
> 
> I recently picked up 3 stray kittens who had fleas. They were very small (3-4 
> weeks old) so I didn’t trust any of the absorbed treatments since I figured 
> their little livers may well be damaged by such early exposure. I therefore 
> purchased a flea spray which was supposed to remain on them, but again, I 
> didn’t want to do that. I didn’t want that type of exposure. I simply bathed 
> them, sprayed them with the flea spray, killed the fleas by hand as they 
> leapt off into the sink, and combed out the rest, and then I washed the 
> kittens completely off with organic shampoo. Despite washing them off, I 
> found a few remaining fleas for the next day or so but they were all dead or 
> dying. When I go home tonight, I will get the name of the product for you, 
> but I suspect you can do this with any of the spray on flea products.
> 
> One thing I did years ago when we got a very bad flea infestation (thanks to 
> a woman who insisted the cats I was taking from her to adopt out were 
> defleaed already!), was that once I washed each cat, I had previously made 
> arrangements for friends to take one of them for a few weeks. My husband and 
> I were doing some heavy duty fostering at the time, so we had about 25 cats 
> in the house. One by one or two by two, I cleaned them off, bundled them off 
> to friends I had prearranged with, and then when the whole house was empty, 
> we washed whatever we could, and we used some heavy duty flea killer on 
> carpets, etc. and my husband and I spent a few nights at a motel room. We 
> never had any more flea problems after that.
> 
> You only have one cat so if the problem is bad enough, I suggest something 
> along the lines of what we did. Find a friend or a relative who will take Ash 
> for a week or so, when he’s out, wash everything in sight, and buy some high 
> powered flea stuff and spray the house. Leave for a few days.
> 
> Hopefully, it works as well for you as it did for us.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Karen Harshbarger
> Sent: August-30-16 3:24 PM
> To: Felvtalk
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question
> 
>   As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver 
> complications this month.  I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as I 
> am struggling to save his brother Ash.  Ash tested positive again this month 
> (4 years ago tested positive once and then negative twice).  However his 
> blood work shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and playing 
> and going to the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has recommended no 
> treatment or preventatives at this time.  They only suggest another blood 
> work check in one to 4 months and flea treatment.
> 
> Ash and  his brother have fleas.  I know I must treat but that seems like 
> when Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline 
> twice.
> Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds and 
> blankets and cleaned their living quarters.  I fear that the fleas or 
> treatment or both did something to Cole to take his life.  But I know I have 
> to treat fleas too.  I have tried combing everyday, but that does not work 
> either.
> 
> Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats.  It has worked well for me 
> for other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash 

Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Karen

While I don’t have any reason to believe there is a link between use of the 
Frontline Flea treatment and Cole’s problems, it is probably wise to be 
cautious with a medication which is absorbed internally and probably processed 
through the liver, etc. Just hypothetically, it might be possible that cats 
with FeLV which is in abeyance (their body has managed to hold off on the worst 
of the problems) may have the balance tipped to the negative by something that 
might stress their body and which might, in other cats, not cause a problem.

However, I definitely agree you MUST control the fleas for Ash. As you know, 
one of the worst effects of the FeLV virus is to cause an anemia, and a flea 
infestation will no doubt hasten or worsen that problem. Fleas also often pass 
on the Bartonella parasite, which infects and destroys red cells in the host 
animal and causes other problems. If Ash is doing okay, you don’t want to tip 
that scale.

I recently picked up 3 stray kittens who had fleas. They were very small (3-4 
weeks old) so I didn’t trust any of the absorbed treatments since I figured 
their little livers may well be damaged by such early exposure. I therefore 
purchased a flea spray which was supposed to remain on them, but again, I 
didn’t want to do that. I didn’t want that type of exposure. I simply bathed 
them, sprayed them with the flea spray, killed the fleas by hand as they leapt 
off into the sink, and combed out the rest, and then I washed the kittens 
completely off with organic shampoo. Despite washing them off, I found a few 
remaining fleas for the next day or so but they were all dead or dying. When I 
go home tonight, I will get the name of the product for you, but I suspect you 
can do this with any of the spray on flea products.

One thing I did years ago when we got a very bad flea infestation (thanks to a 
woman who insisted the cats I was taking from her to adopt out were defleaed 
already!), was that once I washed each cat, I had previously made arrangements 
for friends to take one of them for a few weeks. My husband and I were doing 
some heavy duty fostering at the time, so we had about 25 cats in the house. 
One by one or two by two, I cleaned them off, bundled them off to friends I had 
prearranged with, and then when the whole house was empty, we washed whatever 
we could, and we used some heavy duty flea killer on carpets, etc. and my 
husband and I spent a few nights at a motel room. We never had any more flea 
problems after that.

You only have one cat so if the problem is bad enough, I suggest something 
along the lines of what we did. Find a friend or a relative who will take Ash 
for a week or so, when he’s out, wash everything in sight, and buy some high 
powered flea stuff and spray the house. Leave for a few days.

Hopefully, it works as well for you as it did for us.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Karen 
Harshbarger
Sent: August-30-16 3:24 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question

  As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver 
complications this month.  I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as I am 
struggling to save his brother Ash.  Ash tested positive again this month (4 
years ago tested positive once and then negative twice).  However his blood 
work shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and playing and 
going to the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has recommended no 
treatment or preventatives at this time.  They only suggest another blood work 
check in one to 4 months and flea treatment.

Ash and  his brother have fleas.  I know I must treat but that seems like when 
Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline twice.
Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds and 
blankets and cleaned their living quarters.  I fear that the fleas or treatment 
or both did something to Cole to take his life.  But I know I have to treat 
fleas too.  I have tried combing everyday, but that does not work either.

Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats.  It has worked well for me for 
other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash with the feline 
leukemia.  As I said I used Frontline originally cause I was told it was safer 
because it could be used on young kittens even.  Ash is 4 1/2 years old and I 
know I have to do something about the fleas.  Please let me know if you have 
used Vectra flea treatment.  Or if you use something else successfully or don't 
use flea treatment at all with feline leukemia.  Ash never goes outside, so I 
don't know where they got the fleas unless at vet or we brought the fleas in 
from outside on shoes, etc.

Please Helpthis is urgent as I feel I must do something to get rid of fleas 
that already seem out of hand since 2 treatments of Frontline did not work, and 
I am so worried about anything with Ash with his

[Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question

[Karen Harshbarger]

  As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver 
complications this month.  I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as I am 
struggling to save his brother Ash.  Ash tested positive again this month (4 
years ago tested positive once and then negative twice).  However his blood 
work shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and playing and 
going to the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has recommended no 
treatment or preventatives at this time.  They only suggest another blood work 
check in one to 4 months and flea treatment.
Ash and  his brother have fleas.  I know I must treat but that seems like when 
Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline 
twice.Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds 
and blankets and cleaned their living quarters.  I fear that the fleas or 
treatment or both did something to Cole to take his life.  But I know I have to 
treat fleas too.  I have tried combing everyday, but that does not work either. 
 
Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats.  It has worked well for me for 
other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash with the feline 
leukemia.  As I said I used Frontline originally cause I was told it was safer 
because it could be used on young kittens even.  Ash is 4 1/2 years old and I 
know I have to do something about the fleas.  Please let me know if you have 
used Vectra flea treatment.  Or if you use something else successfully or don't 
use flea treatment at all with feline leukemia.  Ash never goes outside, so I 
don't know where they got the fleas unless at vet or we brought the fleas in 
from outside on shoes, etc.  
Please Helpthis is urgent as I feel I must do something to get rid of fleas 
that already seem out of hand since 2 treatments of Frontline did not work, and 
I am so worried about anything with Ash with his positive on the feline 
leukemia test at the vet and after loosing Cole.  My heart just cant loose 
another of my fur babies.  Please Help!!!
Thank you, Karen and kitties Ash and BJ and angle Cole___
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[Margo]

Hi Marlene,

Without more info, I can suggest starting DMG, if it isn't 
contraindicated with any of the other supplements you are using.

My Mako fought so hard at a recent Vet visit (and this was new) that 
they decided not to stress him. My Vet said she had been reading about using 
Gabapentin as sedation for aggressive/fractious cats, and when I googled, this 
came up;

http://vetanesthesiaspecialists.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/SerenityNowSedationOptions_Feline_ABVP2015_HeidiLShafford.pdf

We had to get blood, he was spiraling downhill. So, we tried. He got 50 
mgs (1/2 a capsule) in a small amount of baby food, an hour before his 
appointment, so about 1.5 hrs before the attempted blood draw. They got blood, 
and that sent us to the Vet Specialists. He got it for that appointment, as 
well, but 3 hours ahead. All went well there, too.

There didn't seem to be any real side effects, he was quiet, but not 
overly so. He did have anesthesia for aspirates, and the gabapentin was not an 
issue. Even better, it's easily available at human pharmacies in 100mg caps, 
and was on the $4 list. 

HTH,

Margo and Mako 

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>From: Marlene Snowman <tessie1...@icloud.com>
>Sent: Aug 28, 2016 8:15 PM
>To: Felv <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Hi - I've been reading posts for a bit and decided I needed some advice too. I 
>have a FelV kitten who is 1 year old. I've had her since she was just a little 
>more than a month old. She tested positive twice and the vet has yet been able 
>to physically examine her or get a blood test since. She isn't feral but her 
>dislike of the vet and people is probably her strength and fight to stay 
>alive. I feed her really good kitten food and mixed with astragalus and 
>ligustrum twice daily and l-lysine. She's also been on antibiotics for a nose 
>and eye infection, not to mention the fleas, ear mites, tongue ulcers and 
>lacerations on her legs when I first rescued her but she hasn't been on 
>antibiotics for 4 months at least. (So antibiotics for most of her life). 
>She's gone from a pound to 7.2 lbs. So I've seen a great improvement. The nose 
>infection has never cleared, so boogers are a constant, although more a yellow 
>to clear than the original greenish mucous. 
>
>I recognize that I need to get her in for a complete blood work. She eats 
>well, drinks a lot and other than the boogers, seems healthy. 
>
>Would you suggest anything now other than the blood work for my girl Bear ? 
>
>Thanks 
>Marlene 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[Kelley S]

I personally do not do lysine AT ALL.  It was only ever really recommended
for herpes, there's recent evidence it doesn't even work for that, and it
reduces something else they need (can't remember right now).
http://www.petmd.com/blogs/thedailyvet/ken-tudor/2014/august/feline-herpes-virus-bad-news-popular-treatment-31971

What I totally recommend, and so does my holistic vet:  Raw or partially
cooked diet.  Standard Process Immune System Support.  I've seen standard
process clear up some nasty stuff.

Kelley and Coco.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Marlene Snowman 
wrote:

> Hi - I've been reading posts for a bit and decided I needed some advice
> too. I have a FelV kitten who is 1 year old. I've had her since she was
> just a little more than a month old. She tested positive twice and the vet
> has yet been able to physically examine her or get a blood test since. She
> isn't feral but her dislike of the vet and people is probably her strength
> and fight to stay alive. I feed her really good kitten food and mixed with
> astragalus and ligustrum twice daily and l-lysine. She's also been on
> antibiotics for a nose and eye infection, not to mention the fleas, ear
> mites, tongue ulcers and lacerations on her legs when I first rescued her
> but she hasn't been on antibiotics for 4 months at least. (So antibiotics
> for most of her life). She's gone from a pound to 7.2 lbs. So I've seen a
> great improvement. The nose infection has never cleared, so boogers are a
> constant, although more a yellow to clear than the original greenish mucous.
>
> I recognize that I need to get her in for a complete blood work. She eats
> well, drinks a lot and other than the boogers, seems healthy.
>
> Would you suggest anything now other than the blood work for my girl Bear ?
>
> Thanks
> Marlene
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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[Felvtalk] Question

[Marlene Snowman]

Hi - I've been reading posts for a bit and decided I needed some advice too. I 
have a FelV kitten who is 1 year old. I've had her since she was just a little 
more than a month old. She tested positive twice and the vet has yet been able 
to physically examine her or get a blood test since. She isn't feral but her 
dislike of the vet and people is probably her strength and fight to stay alive. 
I feed her really good kitten food and mixed with astragalus and ligustrum 
twice daily and l-lysine. She's also been on antibiotics for a nose and eye 
infection, not to mention the fleas, ear mites, tongue ulcers and lacerations 
on her legs when I first rescued her but she hasn't been on antibiotics for 4 
months at least. (So antibiotics for most of her life). She's gone from a pound 
to 7.2 lbs. So I've seen a great improvement. The nose infection has never 
cleared, so boogers are a constant, although more a yellow to clear than the 
original greenish mucous. 

I recognize that I need to get her in for a complete blood work. She eats well, 
drinks a lot and other than the boogers, seems healthy. 

Would you suggest anything now other than the blood work for my girl Bear ? 

Thanks 
Marlene 

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Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo

[Rachel Dagner]

Thank you Margo! Yes, I will get her the one year now and then find someone
who carries the 3 year. My vet actually trades vaccines with his wife at
another clinic which is how he is getting me the one year. He said they
don’t have a three year or his wife would have it. I told him he better
check again because if her clients are requesting the one year I am
absolutely sure they would want to know there is a three year available.
And it equals out in cost if you are getting the Purevax yearly or every
three years with less injections.  I just can’t imagine a vet thinking they
couldn’t sell a safer vaccine because of cost, if parents knew they had
options I think many would choose the Purevax just like happened with your
vet.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Margo
*Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 12:42 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo




Hi Rachel,

Many (probably most) Vets are very leery of stocking the
three year PureVax. They don't think people will pay the price which is,
indeed, three times the price of the one year. My Vet does carry it, I use
the three year where allowed.

Initially they had it on a trial basis, but to their
surprise, their clients were willing to pay. It is a financial hit, at
about $65 for just rabies, and I'm in a not so wealthy area, but I guess
some clients think it's worth it. They now carry both, as the first booster
has to be with the one year or at least is only considered valid for one
year.

You might find that another clinic in your area carries it,
and sometimes Vets will work together. Worth a phone call :)

HTH,

Margo

-Original Message-
From: Rachel Dagner
Sent: Jul 7, 2016 11:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo


Yes, it’s been pretty quiet lately. Hopefully that means that members with
FELV kitties are doing ok. My new kitty Josie is doing good. She loves
cantaloupe and sits in the bathroom while I brush Daizy’s teeth and waits
for her turn! I have so many pictures and videos she is cute as can be.



I actually had a question for Margo. I am getting the one year Purevax
rabies for Josie in a month. He said they only have a one year version and
I would have to continue to get it every year if I go that route, but their
three year version is shown as available on their website… confused. I have
searched the web but am not finding much info on anyone using it. I
e-mailed the company to see if they could send me info on it for my vet.
Margo do you give the Purevax yearly?



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*swacht1...@comcast.net
*Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 11:39 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] messages



Haven’t seen anything from FeLV in ages – been on it for over a year –
updated regularly – now what





Sandy
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guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

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Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo

[Margo]

Hi Rachel,    Many (probably most) Vets are very leery of stocking the three year PureVax. They don't think people will pay the price which is, indeed, three times the price of the one year. My Vet does carry it, I use the three year where allowed.     Initially they had it on a trial basis, but to their surprise, their clients were willing to pay. It is a financial hit, at about $65 for just rabies, and I'm in a not so wealthy area, but I guess some clients think it's worth it. They now carry both, as the first booster has to be with the one year or at least is only considered valid for one year.    You might find that another clinic in your area carries it, and sometimes Vets will work together. Worth a phone call :)HTH,Margo-Original Message-
From: Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com>
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo

Yes, it’s been pretty quiet lately. Hopefully that means that members with FELV kitties are doing ok. My new kitty Josie is doing good. She loves cantaloupe and sits in the bathroom while I brush Daizy’s teeth and waits for her turn! I have so many pictures and videos she is cute as can be.  I actually had a question for Margo. I am getting the one year Purevax rabies for Josie in a month. He said they only have a one year version and I would have to continue to get it every year if I go that route, but their three year version is shown as available on their website… confused. I have searched the web but am not finding much info on anyone using it. I e-mailed the company to see if they could send me info on it for my vet. Margo do you give the Purevax yearly?  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of swacht1...@comcast.netSent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 11:39 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: [Felvtalk] messages Haven’t seen anything from FeLV in ages – been on it for over a year – updated regularly – now what  Sandy“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”"I always thought someone should do something about that...then I realized I'm that someone"


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[dlgegg]

BRUSHING TEEETH:  What did you do to get them to sit still for brushing?  I 
tried letting them smell the toothpaste and they still do not want anything in 
their mouths.

RABIES SHOTS:  3 OF MY CATS STAY INSIDE OR ON THE DECK AND HAVE NO CONTACT WITH 
OTHER ANIMALS.  hARLEY MAKES A TOUR  AROUND THE HOUSE AND RETIRES TO THE DECK 
TO SLEEP SO i HAVE NOT GIVEN ANYONE ANY SHOTS FOR 3 YEARS NOW.  THE LAST TIME I 
DID, SHORTY HAD A REACTION, LOST A LOT OF HAIR AT THE SITE, SAME WITH ANTI FLEA 
STUFF.  i NOW USE HERBS FOR FLEAS, TICKS AND LEMON GRASS AND CITRONELLA FOR 
MOSQUITOS.  aLL ARE DOING WELL, NOT BRINGING IN ANY FLEAS OR TICKS.
 Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote: 
> Yes, it’s been pretty quiet lately. Hopefully that means that members with
> FELV kitties are doing ok. My new kitty Josie is doing good. She loves
> cantaloupe and sits in the bathroom while I brush Daizy’s teeth and waits
> for her turn! I have so many pictures and videos she is cute as can be.
> 
> 
> 
> I actually had a question for Margo. I am getting the one year Purevax
> rabies for Josie in a month. He said they only have a one year version and
> I would have to continue to get it every year if I go that route, but their
> three year version is shown as available on their website… confused. I have
> searched the web but am not finding much info on anyone using it. I
> e-mailed the company to see if they could send me info on it for my vet.
> Margo do you give the Purevax yearly?
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
> *swacht1...@comcast.net
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 11:39 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] messages
> 
> 
> 
> Haven’t seen anything from FeLV in ages – been on it for over a year –
> updated regularly – now what
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sandy
> “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us
> guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”
> 
> "I always thought someone should do something about that...then I realized
> I'm that someone"


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[Rachel Dagner]

Yes, it’s been pretty quiet lately. Hopefully that means that members with
FELV kitties are doing ok. My new kitty Josie is doing good. She loves
cantaloupe and sits in the bathroom while I brush Daizy’s teeth and waits
for her turn! I have so many pictures and videos she is cute as can be.



I actually had a question for Margo. I am getting the one year Purevax
rabies for Josie in a month. He said they only have a one year version and
I would have to continue to get it every year if I go that route, but their
three year version is shown as available on their website… confused. I have
searched the web but am not finding much info on anyone using it. I
e-mailed the company to see if they could send me info on it for my vet.
Margo do you give the Purevax yearly?



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*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] messages



Haven’t seen anything from FeLV in ages – been on it for over a year –
updated regularly – now what





Sandy
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[Felvtalk] Question for those with multiple FeLV+ cats (2 or more)

[Marsha]

Have you had one FeLV+ cat get a URI, but others did not get it? Brock 
has not come down with the URI that Harley had.  He sneezed a few times 
early on, but no discharge or any other symptoms, so the very mild 
sneezing may or may not have been a URI.  Maybe just dust in the air.  
Harley has an occasional sneeze now, but that's all, except he seems to 
be less tolerant of cold, and is on a mission to make up for lost 
playtime.  This is a little frustrating for him, because the heated area 
is only 9' x 9', and Harley likes to zoom across a bigger area, and go 
skidding on a piece of cardboard.  Plus Brock won't wrestle with him.  
He was eyeing Brock night before last like he was going to get him, 
and Brock cringed, but Harley decided Brock was no fun, and let him be.


Marsha

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question for those with multiple FeLV+ cats (2 or more)

[dlgegg]

My Annie (+) occassionaly sneezes, but I have put it down to dust, especially 
because he sneezes when the furnace kicks on.  Usually 2 or 3 times and then no 
more.  
You say heated area is 9' x 9', is he not allowed the run of the house?  Annie 
usually starts from the east end and slides into the west end.  In fact, they 
all love that or they leap to the back of a chair, rocking it back and forth.  
my Harley has been frustated because I won't let him out in ran, snow.  When I 
do let him out, he turns around or doesn't go out at all because he realizes it 
is WET out there.  When this happens, he starts pouncing on the others and 
slinks away to bed because they do not want to play.

 Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: 
 Have you had one FeLV+ cat get a URI, but others did not get it? Brock 
 has not come down with the URI that Harley had.  He sneezed a few times 
 early on, but no discharge or any other symptoms, so the very mild 
 sneezing may or may not have been a URI.  Maybe just dust in the air.  
 Harley has an occasional sneeze now, but that's all, except he seems to 
 be less tolerant of cold, and is on a mission to make up for lost 
 playtime.  This is a little frustrating for him, because the heated area 
 is only 9' x 9', and Harley likes to zoom across a bigger area, and go 
 skidding on a piece of cardboard.  Plus Brock won't wrestle with him.  
 He was eyeing Brock night before last like he was going to get him, 
 and Brock cringed, but Harley decided Brock was no fun, and let him be.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question for those with multiple FeLV+ cats (2 or more)

[Marsha]

Harley  Brock have the run of an 850 sq. ft. garage/workshop that is 
attached to the house, but it is not insulated, therefore not heated, 
plus due to its size, heating would be difficult.   I don't use it as a 
garage or workshop due to getting FeLV+ Milkdud 5 years ago.  Some 
construction materials are stored there, otherwise I just keep adding 
things for the cats.  There is a picnic table, a ladder and shelves to 
climb on, a Dogloo and a wooden dog house with heated pads and fluffy 
blankets, a couple of donut beds, rugs, toys, a deluxe cot with a 
comforter and a children's sleeping bag (Harley's favorite), and a 
lounge chair with a big sleeping bag. But I worried about Harley dealing 
with the cold when he came home to recover, so I set up  an ice fishing 
shelter in the middle of the garage and put an infrared heater in it 
(cube kind that can't tip).  I moved the cot  lounge chair in it, got a 
battery operated light/fan to hang from the ceiling, and put one 
litterbox in it so they can potty in comfort, and their water and kibble 
is in there too.  Plus lots of toys.  They love it, and I have been 
having fun camping out in there with them.  I am looking for a 
portable TV to put in there too!   I bought a bunch of new toys for 
them, and tonight I found that one of them (probably Harley) had brought 
an old toy inside the tent that had been left in a donut bed.  I zipper 
the door shut, but leave just enough unzipped so they can go in and out 
as they please.


In the main house, there are 12 cats that are FeLV negative. There is 
mostly an open floor plan, leaving no place in the house to keep the 
FeLV+ boys.  The bedroom is reserved for 2 girls that don't always get 
along with others (one is very timid, the other will bully smaller girls 
except for her roommate).  The bedroom door stays unlatched so the girls 
can come and go.  I only latch it if Peaches goes into bully mode while 
out and about.  Then I put her back in the room for a while and latch 
the door.  One other cat has her own fort in the great room with a 
door in it that is too small for her nemesis to get through.  The fort 
has 2 levels, 2 beds  a crate with a towel, food  water, 1 litterbox.  
Anaya has figured out when her nemesis Tressa sleeps, and comes out of 
her fort to explore then.


None of the cats are allowed outside due to coyotes and other wildlife, 
plus it would be so expensive to put Frontline Plus on all of them.  I 
used to allow Binky to go outside under supervision, but since Gabby 
died last year, Binky hasn't had much interest in going outside.


Marsha

On 12/30/2014 1:02 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

My Annie (+) occassionaly sneezes, but I have put it down to dust, especially 
because he sneezes when the furnace kicks on.  Usually 2 or 3 times and then no 
more.
You say heated area is 9' x 9', is he not allowed the run of the house?  Annie 
usually starts from the east end and slides into the west end.  In fact, they 
all love that or they leap to the back of a chair, rocking it back and forth.  
my Harley has been frustated because I won't let him out in ran, snow.  When I 
do let him out, he turns around or doesn't go out at all because he realizes it 
is WET out there.  When this happens, he starts pouncing on the others and 
slinks away to bed because they do not want to play.




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[dlgegg]

i HAVE STARTED OIL PULLING FOR MYSELF WITH COCONUT OIL.  IT IS A GOOD 
ANTIBACTERIAL, ETC. AND MIGHT HELP YOUR CAT.  I USE A TABLESPOON EACH DAY,  IT 
TASTES GOOD AND MY HARLEY ALWAYS WANTS TO LICK MY FINGERS AFTERWARDS.  (I JUST 
SCOOP A FINGER FULL (ABOUT 1 TABLESPOON) AND PUT IT IN MY MOUTH.)
 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: 
 I don’t know of any supplements that are specifically geared toward oral 
 health. Someone else may have some helpful info. I know that CET makes pet 
 dental products, including a water additive. Googling for them should bring 
 up their site. I believe they’re owned by Virbac. 
 
 After she tested positive, I gave my FeLV+ girl interferon alpha and DMG 
 (both are general immune system boosters) for most of her life. I often gave 
 her Prescription Diet t/d as a “treat”. We rarely had any gum or teeth 
 issues, though she did need several cleanings. The t/d would not be good for 
 a kitty already dealing with any mouth pain.
 
 Best wishes for you and the calico kitten,
 
 Lance
 
 On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes sweet2bcota...@att.net wrote:
 
  Hi everyone,
  I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original test and 
  this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+.  I have 7 other cats and have done 
  rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs.  We are waiting on IFA results now.  I 
  was reading the archives and read something about supplements to promote 
  oral health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post.  Can 
  someone help me with that info?  Am waiting on labs now to decide on course 
  of treatment.  Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats. 
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[Felvtalk] New have question

[Susan Grimes]

Hi everyone,
I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original test and 
this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+.  I have 7 other cats and have done 
rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs.  We are waiting on IFA results now.  I was 
reading the archives and read something about supplements to promote oral 
health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post.  Can someone help 
me with that info?  Am waiting on labs now to decide on course of treatment.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] New have question

[Lance]

I don’t know of any supplements that are specifically geared toward oral 
health. Someone else may have some helpful info. I know that CET makes pet 
dental products, including a water additive. Googling for them should bring up 
their site. I believe they’re owned by Virbac. 

After she tested positive, I gave my FeLV+ girl interferon alpha and DMG (both 
are general immune system boosters) for most of her life. I often gave her 
Prescription Diet t/d as a “treat”. We rarely had any gum or teeth issues, 
though she did need several cleanings. The t/d would not be good for a kitty 
already dealing with any mouth pain.

Best wishes for you and the calico kitten,

Lance

On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes sweet2bcota...@att.net wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original test and 
 this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+.  I have 7 other cats and have done 
 rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs.  We are waiting on IFA results now.  I was 
 reading the archives and read something about supplements to promote oral 
 health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post.  Can someone 
 help me with that info?  Am waiting on labs now to decide on course of 
 treatment.  Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] New have question

[Kelley]

Not specifically for oral health but my holistic vet has both my felv+ kitties 
on standard process veterinary formula feline immune support tablets. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes sweet2bcota...@att.net wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original test and 
 this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+.  I have 7 other cats and have done 
 rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs.  We are waiting on IFA results now.  I was 
 reading the archives and read something about supplements to promote oral 
 health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post.  Can someone 
 help me with that info?  Am waiting on labs now to decide on course of 
 treatment.  Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] New have question

[Marsha]

Hi Susan,

It's not a supplement, but I think I posted a link a while back about 
the use of Virbagen Omega in FeLV+ cats with stomatitis:


http://www.dentistvet.com/docs/Gingivostomatitis-Veterinary-InfoApr2012.pdf

I haven't tried it yet, but may consider after Harley's next checkup.  
Last one he was showing what looked to be early stomatitis, but all his 
bloodwork was great, and it doesn't bother him to eat either kibble or 
canned.  Or the occasional mouse that gets in the garage.  Currently 
doing only Vetri-DMG and Vita-chews.


Marsha

On 8/11/2014 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes wrote:

Hi everyone,
I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original 
test and this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+.  I have 7 other cats and 
have done rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs. We are waiting on IFA 
results now.  I was reading the archives and read something about 
supplements to promote oral health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem 
to find that post. Can someone help me with that info?  Am waiting on 
labs now to decide on course of treatment.  Currently on Immunostim 
drops and Lysine treats.

Thanks, Susan



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[Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax

[KG BarnCats]

Seeking advice and best places to shop.

In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a
large colony of cats.  These are all fixed, all previously tested
negative and mostly adult.  They range from friendly to full feral.
A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back.

One previously negative diabetic cat has fallen ill and just re-tested
positive, after a host of other tests and treatments over the last two
months.   I don't have the money to test and vax everyone at the vet.
So I am looking for the most cost efficient way to test and vax.

Is it possible to buy snap tests and do them myself, using a blood
drop from the ear?  (similar to getting blood for blood glucose
testing).  Is special equipment required to run the test?  Best source
for bulk test kits?

Where are the cheapest vaccines? I have seen 10 dose FELV only vials
on sale for $69 at California Pet but if anyone knows a better source
for single doses or multi dose vials, I'd appreciate it.

Is there any data/studies to indicate that a single dose conveys
protection for cats over 6 more?  I recall reading on cat info.org
that FVRCP single dose can convey longterm immunity for cats over 4
months.  My understanding is that multiple doses are needed because of
potential maternal derived immunity interference with vaccines, at
least for FVRCP.

Thanks in advance.

Kg

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Re: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax

[lernermichelle]

In terms of testing, you can buy bulk tests, I think my group paid about 
$12/test when we did, but we had to buy $400 worth. I think you need to take 
blood from a vein. We never bought our own again.

Since they live together, you can ask the vet to do batch tests. Our vet does 
that with kittens from the same litter. You can see if your vet will do adults 
living together. They mix the blood of up to 3 or 4 together and then do a test 
with that. If it's negative then they are all negative. If it's positive, you 
need to then test those cats individually to see whose blood the antibodies 
came from. There is some controversy over whether this is something vets should 
be doing. But I think in your case it might be a good option. 

For vaccinations, do you mean FVRCP (distemper, rhino, calici) which is what 
you wrote, or do you mean FeLV vax? Because the answer is different depending 
which you meant.

Michelle


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From: KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, Jan 11, 2014 10:27 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax


Seeking advice and best places to shop.

In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a
large colony of cats.  These are all fixed, all previously tested
negative and mostly adult.  They range from friendly to full feral.
A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back.

One previously negative diabetic cat has fallen ill and just re-tested
positive, after a host of other tests and treatments over the last two
months.   I don't have the money to test and vax everyone at the vet.
So I am looking for the most cost efficient way to test and vax.

Is it possible to buy snap tests and do them myself, using a blood
drop from the ear?  (similar to getting blood for blood glucose
testing).  Is special equipment required to run the test?  Best source
for bulk test kits?

Where are the cheapest vaccines? I have seen 10 dose FELV only vials
on sale for $69 at California Pet but if anyone knows a better source
for single doses or multi dose vials, I'd appreciate it.

Is there any data/studies to indicate that a single dose conveys
protection for cats over 6 more?  I recall reading on cat info.org
that FVRCP single dose can convey longterm immunity for cats over 4
months.  My understanding is that multiple doses are needed because of
potential maternal derived immunity interference with vaccines, at
least for FVRCP.

Thanks in advance.

Kg

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Re: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax

[Margo]

Hi KG

I'm not sure I understand, so bear with me. Is the newly positive 
cat from the colony? If so, what are your plans, depending an the results? How 
many cats are you talking about? I went thru the same dilemma last year, and it 
was not easy. Short version, I talked to my Vet, and did a LOT of research 
about vaccinating and testing. For the group of cats that were living with the 
positive cat, her opinion on vaccinating them was that ship has sailed. 
They'd been together for more than 2 years, so she felt any transmission would 
have already occurred. She did want to test them, but I declined. Couldn't see 
the benefit. Of course, when anyone gets sick, they will be tested, as I now 
handle the +'s differently. They remain separate from the other groups. I have 
added two cats to the group, both were vaccinated, twice, before introduction. 
I would vaccinate twice, 3 weeks apart. I have not found any source that 
indicates that a single vaccine in an adult is enough, but that may be a 
judgment call.

The Snap takes three drops of blood per test, so you need to be able to draw 
blood. Ear nicks probably won't do, unfortunately. 

http://www.drugs.com/vet/snap-combo-felv-ag-fiv-antibody-test-kit.html

The well tests say they can be done with saliva, which might be easier, but I 
have read they are not always as accurate that way.

Assure 
http://www.amazon.com/Synbiotics-ASSURE-Leukemia-Virus-Antigen/dp/B00061MOCU

   Both are available at Revival;

http://www.revivalanimal.com/?ic_location=headeric_name=homelogo

   but may be cheaper elsewhere.

   Has the newly positive cat been re-tested? I'd wait a month and 
test again, at least. False positives can occur. I did vaccinate everyone who 
might come into casual contact, because that was much cheaper  than re-testing 
AND vaccinating.

I wish you the best. I thought I had a houseful of confirmed negative cats, and 
then this. Heartbreaking.

Margo

 

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Sent: Jan 11, 2014 10:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax

Seeking advice and best places to shop.

In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a
large colony of cats.  These are all fixed, all previously tested
negative and mostly adult.  They range from friendly to full feral.
A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back.

One previously negative diabetic cat has fallen ill and just re-tested
positive, after a host of other tests and treatments over the last two
months.   I don't have the money to test and vax everyone at the vet.
So I am looking for the most cost efficient way to test and vax.

Is it possible to buy snap tests and do them myself, using a blood
drop from the ear?  (similar to getting blood for blood glucose
testing).  Is special equipment required to run the test?  Best source
for bulk test kits?

Where are the cheapest vaccines? I have seen 10 dose FELV only vials
on sale for $69 at California Pet but if anyone knows a better source
for single doses or multi dose vials, I'd appreciate it.

Is there any data/studies to indicate that a single dose conveys
protection for cats over 6 more?  I recall reading on cat info.org
that FVRCP single dose can convey longterm immunity for cats over 4
months.  My understanding is that multiple doses are needed because of
potential maternal derived immunity interference with vaccines, at
least for FVRCP.

Thanks in advance.

Kg

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[gcruser]

Time for a vet check.  Without any more info than this I would lean toward a 
possible UTI or a kiney problem as my first guesses.

Gary

From: cer...@new.rr.com 
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 12:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] a question

My FeLeuk girl has been pretty asymptomatic for quite
a while. Now she is starting to wet the bed. Has that
happened to any of your guys, and if so, what does it
mean?

Thanks-Chris C.



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[Lorrie]

With FelV cats you don't wait around.  Get her to the vet!

Lorrie

On 09-30, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
My FeLeuk girl has been pretty asymptomatic for quite
a while. Now she is starting to wet the bed. Has that
happened to any of your guys, and if so, what does it
mean?
 
Thanks-Chris C.


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a while. Now she is starting to wet the bed. Has that
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Lee Evans]

What I meant is that I don't mix leukemia positive cats into my general group 
as I would an FIV positive cat with a marshmallow personality who does not 
fight, not an alpha cat type. I did have two feline leukemia positive cats for 
over two years. They lived together in a separate room with each other. They 
were perfectly healthy for those two years, then suddenly turned symptomatic. 
One passed away quickly from what the vet diagnosed as bone marrow cancer. The 
other simply lost weight uncontrollably and followed his buddy over the edge. 
He probably also had bone marrow cancer or lymphoma. Those are the most likely 
two illness that kill the leukemia positive cats when the disease goes active. 
I also found a wonderful  person who had had losses from feline leukemia but 
was willing to go through the heartbreak again just to give a cat a chance at 
life. One of the cats I gave to her passed away in two years. The second one I 
begged her to take ( I think
 she was ready to shoot me when phoned to ask if she would foster another FeLv+ 
cat) is still living the life of luxury with her. It has been 6 years and 
counting so far. Keeping all fingers and paws crossed.






 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 

Hi,
Thanks for describing your cats' histories.
Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your posting?  
 However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. 
 Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. 

Shelley


On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

 
 
 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is 
 as contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in 
 with 8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, 
 grooming each other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter 
 boxes. They lived in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. 
 They were very old, around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout 
 their lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they 
 had tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them tested 
 again to see if they were not suffering from old age but from something I 
 could possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both had renal failure, 
 they both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the 
 bone marrow all those years but when their immune system began to break down 
 and their kidneys were failing, the virus took hold also. They
 passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been 
living with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and 
renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it 
doesn't matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that 
did not test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix 
positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who 
are with me are either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little 
marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also 
have a small FIV shelter, a detached building of one large room and a 
wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are 
not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly.
 

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[trustinhim13]

Lee makes a point, You probably do not want to mix a FL+ cat with others 
if that cat is a fighter. My Pookie is a total marshmellow. And he 
doesn't even like to mingle with the other cats. He'll be in the same 
room with them, but never grooms or lies next to them. Also this summer 
when he was symptomatic, he was separated into his own room. I have 
heard that what most often kills FL+ cats is an infection that they 
cannot fight because the virus attacks their immune system. My holistic 
vet, besides the accupuncture, has proscribed Wei Qi (Way chee) for his 
immune system. He is also on Standard Process Feline Immune System 
Support. The regular vets will not know about these (sadly). The Baytril 
(regular vet) knock out what secondary infection he came up with, and 
the accupuncture and these other herbs brought him to full health. 
Because the holistic vet was so helpful, I would recommend them to 
anyone. No kiddingone day he was not eating and running a 
tempthe day after the accupuncture, he jumped on my lap, had a cold 
nose, and started eating. I don't care how it works.but it did for 
him. Grateful mom..



On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

What I meant is that I don't mix leukemia positive cats into my 
general group as I would an FIV positive cat with a marshmallow 
personality who does not fight, not an alpha cat type. I did have two 
feline leukemia positive cats for over two years. They lived together 
in a separate room with each other. They were perfectly healthy for 
those two years, then suddenly turned symptomatic. One passed away 
quickly from what the vet diagnosed as bone marrow cancer. The other 
simply lost weight uncontrollably and followed his buddy over the 
edge. He probably also had bone marrow cancer or lymphoma. Those are 
the most likely two illness that kill the leukemia positive cats when 
the disease goes active. I also found a wonderful  person who had had 
losses from feline leukemia but was willing to go through the 
heartbreak again just to give a cat a chance at life. One of the cats 
I gave to her passed away in two years. The second one I begged her to 
take ( I think
 she was ready to shoot me when phoned to ask if she would foster 
another FeLv+ cat) is still living the life of luxury with her. It has 
been 6 years and counting so far. Keeping all fingers and paws 
crossed.








From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 
6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing


Hi,
Thanks for describing your cats' histories.
Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your 
posting? 
However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular 
group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or 
turned.


Shelley


On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote:




From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that 
FeLv is as contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had 
two cats mixed in with 8 others. They all lived together in cat 
harmony for many years, grooming each other, eating, drinking 
together and using the same litter boxes. They lived in love and 
happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. They were very old, 
around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout their 
lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they 
had tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them 
tested again to see if they were not suffering from old age but from 
something I could possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both 
had renal failure, they both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the 
virus was dormant in the bone marrow all those years but when their 
immune system began to break down and their kidneys were failing, 
the virus took hold also. They
 passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who 
had been living with them tested negative for everything and all died 
of old age and renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became 
actively FeLv+ but it doesn't matter. It shows that even with such 
close interaction, the cats that did not test positive still did not 
test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with 
my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either 
negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who 
are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a 
small FIV shelter, a detached building of one large room and a 
wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude 
and are not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly

Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Shelley Theye]

Thanks for sharing!  I have 2 cats and a foster cat who is pretty much mine 
too, and Leo, a neighborhood feral who 
I trapped last summer to neuter, and he tested FeLV positive, so he is mine too 
now, and he ended up becoming tame after many months...

I have never had my cats vaccinated for FeLV because they are strictly indoors, 
and I had always heard that the leukiemia vaccine was the worst of the bunch, 
but I might get everyone vaccinated before I attempt to mix.  I do have a cat 
with very bad fear aggression, and
that is another worry, because I don't want any fighting!

Shelley 


On Sep 24, 2013, at 2:22 PM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote:

 Shelley..
 
 I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully 
 vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. 
 Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the 
 virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't 
 afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13).  All my cats mingle 
 together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues tested 
 because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was encouraged by a 
 women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves with good results. 
 When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 years) I isolate and 
 treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious about clean bowls and water. 
 God is taking care of them and me. If you have the money and you have only a 
 few, get what ever treatment/tests are available. But I wouldn't stress over 
 the testing. My Pookie will always test positive because he carries the 
 disease in his system. But he is h
 ealthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 (she's 17 
now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough antibodies built up by 
then, they never will!  Maybe I am lucky, or just stupid, but I couldn't let an 
animal die form a lack of a home.
 
 On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Shelley Theye wrote:
 
 Hi Lee,
 
 Thanks for explaining.  Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn 
 negative.  He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then 
 again in Nov.  I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. 
  Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV?
 
 Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their 
 negatives vaccinated for FeLV?
 
 Shelley
 
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote:
 
 Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats 
 rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have 
 had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, 
 around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted 
 after neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He 
 tested negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another 
 vet. Still positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months 
 and then re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet 
 medicine. So I did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned 
 negative. Not to say that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet 
 another test and he was again negative. He's still with me.
 
 Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex 
 (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year 
 old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I 
 put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested 
 positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 
 months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got 
 her spayed.
 However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten 
 brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. 
 They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, 
 she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with 
 a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still 
 tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom 
 loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that 
 Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and 
 gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is 
 perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog.
 
 The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that 
 Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus 
 as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a 
 little street stray.
 
 
 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 Lee,
 
 Can you explain more

Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Shelley Theye]

Thanks Sharly.  I am nervous to intentionally mix, but I don't want Leo to be 
alone forever.  
My other cats have never received the FeLV vaccine so far.

Shelley 



On Sep 24, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Sharyl wrote:

 Shelly all I can d I tell you what I did.  When I was rescuing FeLV kittens I 
 did have all my negatives vaccinated.  It has been over 3 years since my last 
 FeLV cat died.  All of my negatives are still with me and are fine
  
 Sharyl
 
 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 Hi Lee,
 
 Thanks for explaining.  Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn 
 negative.  He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then 
 again in Nov.  I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too.  
 Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV?
 
 Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their 
 negatives vaccinated for FeLV?
 
 Shelley
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Shelley Theye]

Thanks Lee, that's interesting.  Hadn't thought about a limited contact 
scenario before.
So sorry to hear about your own negative vaccine experience.

Shelley

On Sep 24, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

 To answer if the foster mom has her cats vaccinated, NO. However, Taffy has 
 her own litter box and own feeding bowl and only mingles with the other cats 
 for a short time during the day, then back to her room with her pooch friend. 
 I'm not too keen on vaccines. I have heard nasty things about the FeLv 
 vaccine, like cats have come down with the disease a few weeks after being 
 vaccinated and had no other source of being infected. I have also had a 
 personal experience with a faulty polio vaccination when I was a teen. It 
 left me with nerve damage which has not improved with age but at least I 
 wasn't paralyzed, just in pain for a couple of years while my muscles gained 
 strength with physical therapy. Vaccines are not the perfect answer to 
 everything.
 
 
 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 Hi Lee,
 
 Thanks for explaining.  Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn 
 negative.  He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then 
 again in Nov.  I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too.  
 Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV?
 
 Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their 
 negatives vaccinated for FeLV?
 
 Shelley
 
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote:
 
  Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats 
  rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have 
  had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, 
  around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted 
  after neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He 
  tested negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another 
  vet. Still positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months 
  and then re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet 
  medicine. So I did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned 
  negative. Not to say that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet 
  another test and he was again negative. He's still with me.
  
  Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex 
  (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year 
  old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I 
  put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested 
  positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 
  months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got 
  her spayed. 
  
  However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten 
  brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. 
  They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, 
  she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with 
  a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still 
  tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom 
  loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that 
  Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and 
  gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is 
  perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog.
  
  The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that 
  Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus 
  as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a 
  little street stray.
  
  
  From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
  
  Lee,
  
  Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have 
  that threw off the virus?
  Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have 
  had the FeLV virus for more than 2 months
  before they ever were tested?
  
  Shelley
  
  
  
  On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:
  
   I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in 
   about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or 
   may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not 
   fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. 
   Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously 
   incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You 
   really should find them a home with a person who

Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Shelley Theye]

Hi,
Thanks for describing your cats' histories.
Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your posting?  
 However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. 
 Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. 

Shelley


On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

 
 
 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is as 
 contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in 
 with 8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, 
 grooming each other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter 
 boxes. They lived in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. 
 They were very old, around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout 
 their lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they had 
 tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them tested again 
 to see if they were not suffering from old age but from something I could 
 possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both had renal failure, they 
 both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the bone 
 marrow all those years but when their immune system began to break down and 
 their kidneys were failing, the virus took hold also. They passed away 
 quietly within hours of 
 each other. The other 8 cats who had been living with them tested negative for 
everything and all died of old age and renal failure. I don't know when Tiger 
and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it doesn't matter. It shows that even with 
such close interaction, the cats that did not test positive still did not test 
positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular 
group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. 
However, I do have a few little marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group 
because they don't fight. I also have a small FIV shelter, a detached 
building of one large room and a wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who 
have a bit of an attitude and are not to be trusted to keep a friendly 
discussion friendly.
 
 From: trustinhi...@charter.net trustinhi...@charter.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 Shelley..
 
 I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully 
 vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. 
 Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the 
 virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't 
 afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13).  All my cats mingle 
 together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues 
 tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was 
 encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves 
 with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 
 years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious 
 about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you 
 have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests 
 are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will 
 always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But 
 he is healthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 
 (she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough 
 antibodies built up by then, they never will!  Maybe I am lucky, or just 
 stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Lee Evans]

I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 2 
months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not have 
been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully developed, they 
might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad about the idiot vet 
who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for 
another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really should find them a home with a person 
who understands that a positive test does not mean the kitten should be killed. 
If they are still looking and feeling well, let them live. A home with no other 
cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for this type of kitten.






 From: Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 


What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done so 
that it is accurate?  I know that if it is done early on, it can be inaccurate.
The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16.  We 
did not test.  I don't like testing before 16 weeks.  We pulled the kitten and 
her sister from another state.  Mom was in a high kill shelter.  She was PTS 
before we could rescue her.  The rest of the litter was PTS.  Miles and 
Journey were the only ones left.
Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill 
informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that her 
dogs could get it).  I was called after the fact.
What is proper testing protocol?  Vaccination protcol?  I use a 4 way with 
feline leukemia, killed virus.
--Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Shelley Theye]

Lee,

Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have that 
threw off the virus?
Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had 
the FeLV virus for more than 2 months
before they ever were tested?

Shelley



On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

 I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 
 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not 
 have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully 
 developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad 
 about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. 
 Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really should find 
 them a home with a person who understands that a positive test does not mean 
 the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and feeling well, let 
 them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for 
 this type of kitten.
 
 
 From: Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done 
 so that it is accurate?  I know that if it is done early on, it can be 
 inaccurate.
 The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16.  We 
 did not test.  I don't like testing before 16 weeks.  We pulled the kitten 
 and her sister from another state.  Mom was in a high kill shelter.  She was 
 PTS before we could rescue her.  The rest of the litter was PTS.  Miles and 
 Journey were the only ones left.
 Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill 
 informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that 
 her dogs could get it).  I was called after the fact.
 What is proper testing protocol?  Vaccination protcol?  I use a 4 way with 
 feline leukemia, killed virus.
 --Beth
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Lee Evans]

Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats rescued 
from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had not for 
about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age 2, street 
cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after neutering, I had him 
tested before I took him into my own house. He tested negative for FIV but 
positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still positive, but that vet 
suggested that I keep him for two months and then re-test. This guy was on top 
of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I did so, took Moses (cats name) 
back and he had turned negative. Not to say that I did not believe the test but 
too, Moses for yet another test and he was again negative. He's still with me.

Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex 
(notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year old 
when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I put her 
in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested positive for 
FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 months, she tested 
negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got her spayed. 

However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten brought 
to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. They tested 
her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, she tested 
positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with a wonderful 
foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still tested positive 
at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom loves her and 
although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that Foster Mom has, 
Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets to socialize with 
the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is perfectly happy with the 
arrangement. So is the dog.

The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that 
Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus as a 
kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little street 
stray.






 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 

Lee,

Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have 
that threw off the virus?
Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had 
the FeLV virus for more than 2 months
before they ever were tested?

Shelley



On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

 I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 
 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not 
 have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully 
 developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad 
 about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect 
 advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really 
 should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test 
 does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and 
 feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly 
 dog is the best for this type of kitten.
 
 
 From: Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done 
 so that it is accurate?  I know that if it is done early on, it can be 
 inaccurate.
 The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16.  We 
 did not test.  I don't like testing before 16 weeks.  We pulled the kitten 
 and her sister from another state.  Mom was in a high kill shelter.  She was 
 PTS before we could rescue her.  The rest of the litter was PTS.  Miles and 
 Journey were the only ones left.
 Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill 
 informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that 
 her dogs could get it).  I was called after the fact.
 What is proper testing protocol?  Vaccination protcol?  I use a 4 way with 
 feline leukemia, killed virus.
 --Beth
 
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[trustinhim13]

I agree with Lee completely. It angers me that someone can get through 
Vet school and still not be knowledgable about this disease. I rescued a 
male cat, two years old, and only then learned he was FelV+ after he was 
neutered. He has thrown off the virus twice. He is over 6 now. mingels 
with my other rescues and no one has gotten sick. Killing kittens 
becasue they carry the virus (or some test says they ahve it) is 
irresponsible.



On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in 
about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may 
or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is 
not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as 
adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such 
ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, 
then re-test. You really should find them a home with a person who 
understands that a positive test does not mean the kitten should be 
killed. If they are still looking and feeling well, let them live. A 
home with no other cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for this 
type of kitten.








From: Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 
PM

Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing



What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can 
be done so that it is accurate?  I know that if it is done early on, 
it can be inaccurate.
The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 
16.  We did not test.  I don't like testing before 16 weeks.  We 
pulled the kitten and her sister from another state.  Mom was in a 
high kill shelter.  She was PTS before we could rescue her.  The rest 
of the litter was PTS.  Miles and Journey were the only ones left.
Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS 
(the ill informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the 
owner think that her dogs could get it).  I was called after the 
fact.
What is proper testing protocol?  Vaccination protcol?  I use a 4 way 
with feline leukemia, killed virus.

--Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Margo]

I can't be so hard on Vets anymore. Getting thru Vet school can't educate where 
the whole disease process is so little understood. I have researched FeLV up 
down and sideways, and NOTHING is certain. Two years ago I had a house full of 
negative cats. All my FL cats (we moved to SC) had been tested at LEAST twice. 
No new cat (2) was added without a doubly negative (60 days apart) FeLV test. 
One of the new ones was my first symptomatic +. I now have 2 positives, and 
probably two others, as well. I'm now (to my great distress) vaccinating 
against it. 

Can't figure out what else to do.

Margo

-Original Message-
From: trustinhi...@charter.net
Sent: Sep 24, 2013 1:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

I agree with Lee completely. It angers me that someone can get through 
Vet school and still not be knowledgable about this disease. I rescued a 
male cat, two years old, and only then learned he was FelV+ after he was 
neutered. He has thrown off the virus twice. He is over 6 now. mingels 
with my other rescues and no one has gotten sick. Killing kittens 
becasue they carry the virus (or some test says they ahve it) is 
irresponsible.


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

 I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in 
 about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may 
 or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is 
 not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as 
 adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such 
 ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, 
 then re-test. You really should find them a home with a person who 
 understands that a positive test does not mean the kitten should be 
 killed. If they are still looking and feeling well, let them live. A 
 home with no other cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for this 
 type of kitten.





 
 From: Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 
 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing



 What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can 
 be done so that it is accurate?  I know that if it is done early on, 
 it can be inaccurate.
 The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 
 16.  We did not test.  I don't like testing before 16 weeks.  We 
 pulled the kitten and her sister from another state.  Mom was in a 
 high kill shelter.  She was PTS before we could rescue her.  The rest 
 of the litter was PTS.  Miles and Journey were the only ones left.
 Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS 
 (the ill informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the 
 owner think that her dogs could get it).  I was called after the 
 fact.
 What is proper testing protocol?  Vaccination protcol?  I use a 4 way 
 with feline leukemia, killed virus.
 --Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Shelley Theye]

Hi Lee,

Thanks for explaining.  Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn 
negative.  He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then 
again in Nov.  I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too.  
Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV?

Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their negatives 
vaccinated for FeLV?

Shelley



On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

 Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats 
 rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had 
 not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age 
 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after 
 neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He tested 
 negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still 
 positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months and then 
 re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I 
 did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say 
 that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test and he 
 was again negative. He's still with me.
 
 Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex 
 (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year old 
 when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I put her 
 in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested positive for 
 FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 months, she 
 tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got her spayed. 
 
 However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten 
 brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. They 
 tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, she 
 tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with a 
 wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still 
 tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom 
 loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that 
 Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets 
 to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is perfectly 
 happy with the arrangement. So is the dog.
 
 The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that 
 Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus as 
 a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little 
 street stray.
 
 
 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 Lee,
 
 Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have 
 that threw off the virus?
 Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had 
 the FeLV virus for more than 2 months
 before they ever were tested?
 
 Shelley
 
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:
 
  I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in 
  about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or 
  may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully 
  developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad 
  about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect 
  advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really 
  should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test 
  does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and 
  feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly 
  dog is the best for this type of kitten.
  
  
  From: Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
  
  What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done 
  so that it is accurate?  I know that if it is done early on, it can be 
  inaccurate.
  The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16.  We 
  did not test.  I don't like testing before 16 weeks.  We pulled the kitten 
  and her sister from another state.  Mom was in a high kill shelter.  She 
  was PTS before we could rescue her.  The rest of the litter was PTS.  Miles 
  and Journey were the only ones left.
  Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill 
  informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that 
  her dogs could get it).  I was called after the fact.
  What is proper testing protocol?  Vaccination protcol?  I use a 4 way with 
  feline leukemia

Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[trustinhim13]

Shelley..

I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully 
vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. 
Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the 
virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't 
afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13).  All my cats mingle 
together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues 
tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was 
encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves 
with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 
years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious 
about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you 
have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests 
are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will 
always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But 
he is healthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 
(she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough 
antibodies built up by then, they never will!  Maybe I am lucky, or just 
stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home.


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Shelley Theye wrote:


Hi Lee,

Thanks for explaining.  Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still 
turn negative.  He tested positive last July, when trapped and 
neutered, and then again in Nov.  I haven't retested yet, and am 
thinking of doing the IFA too.  Does the woman who has Taffy have all 
of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV?


Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their 
negatives vaccinated for FeLV?


Shelley



On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were 
cats rescued from different places at different times. One, a male 
who I have had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was 
not neutered, around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going 
to get him adopted after neutering, I had him tested before I took 
him into my own house. He tested negative for FIV but positive for 
FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still positive, but that vet 
suggested that I keep him for two months and then re-test. This guy 
was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I did so, 
took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say 
that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test 
and he was again negative. He's still with me.


Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex 
(notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a 
year old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, 
Bunny. I put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. 
She tested positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, 
re-tested in about 3 months, she tested negative. Tested again to be 
sure. Negative again so got her spayed.
However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued 
kitten brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in 
Bulverde Texas. They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. 
When they tested her, she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, 
found her a foster home with a wonderful foster mom, who kept her 
isolated for 3 months but Taffy still tested positive at the end of 
the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom loves her and although 
Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that Foster Mom has, 
Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets to 
socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is 
perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog.


The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect 
that Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off 
the virus as a kitten because she did not have very good care and 
ended up as a little street stray.



From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 
10:49 AM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

Lee,

Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you 
have that threw off the virus?
Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they 
have had the FeLV virus for more than 2 months

before they ever were tested?

Shelley



On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus 
in about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, 
they may or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune 
system is not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as 
soon as adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters 
such ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 
weeks, then re-test. You really

Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Sharyl]

Shelly all I can d I tell you what I did.  When I was rescuing FeLV kittens I 
did have all my negatives vaccinated.  It has been over 3 years since my last 
FeLV cat died.  All of my negatives are still with me and are fine
 
Sharyl
 


 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
  

Hi Lee,

Thanks for explaining.  Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn 
negative.  He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then 
again in Nov.  I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too.  
Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV?

Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their negatives 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Lee Evans]

To answer if the foster mom has her cats vaccinated, NO. However, Taffy has her 
own litter box and own feeding bowl and only mingles with the other cats for a 
short time during the day, then back to her room with her pooch friend. I'm not 
too keen on vaccines. I have heard nasty things about the FeLv vaccine, like 
cats have come down with the disease a few weeks after being vaccinated and had 
no other source of being infected. I have also had a personal experience with a 
faulty polio vaccination when I was a teen. It left me with nerve damage which 
has not improved with age but at least I wasn't paralyzed, just in pain for a 
couple of years while my muscles gained strength with physical therapy. 
Vaccines are not the perfect answer to everything.






 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 

Hi Lee,

Thanks for explaining.  Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn 
negative.  He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then 
again in Nov.  I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too.  
Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV?

Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their 
negatives vaccinated for FeLV?

Shelley



On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

 Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats 
 rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had 
 not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age 
 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after 
 neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He tested 
 negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still 
 positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months and then 
 re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I 
 did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say 
 that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test and he 
 was again negative. He's still with me.
 
 Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex 
 (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year 
 old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I 
 put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested 
 positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 
 months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got 
 her spayed. 
 
 However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten 
 brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. 
 They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, 
 she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with 
 a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still 
 tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom 
 loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that 
 Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and 
 gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is 
 perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog.
 
 The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that 
 Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus 
 as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little 
 street stray.
 
 
 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 Lee,
 
 Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have 
 that threw off the virus?
 Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had 
 the FeLV virus for more than 2 months
 before they ever were tested?
 
 Shelley
 
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:
 
  I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in 
  about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or 
  may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not 
  fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too 
  bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect 
  advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really 
  should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test 
  does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and 
  feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with 
  cat-friendly dog is the best for this type of kitten.
  
  
  From: Betheny Laubenthal

[Felvtalk] Fw: Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Lee Evans]

From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 


You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is as 
contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in with 
8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, grooming each 
other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter boxes. They lived 
in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. They were very old, 
around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout their lifetime when 
each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they had tested negative both 
times. At the end of their days, I had them tested again to see if they were 
not suffering from old age but from something I could possibly treat. Along 
with the fact that they both had renal failure, they both tested positive for 
FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the bone marrow all those years but 
when their immune system began to break down and their kidneys were failing, 
the virus took hold also. They passed
 away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been living 
with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and renal 
failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it doesn't 
matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that did not 
test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- 
leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are 
either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who are 
FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a small FIV 
shelter, a detached building of one large room and a wire-enclosed porch for 
four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are not to be trusted to keep 
a friendly discussion friendly.





 From: trustinhi...@charter.net trustinhi...@charter.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 

Shelley..

I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully 
vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I
 rescued another FL cat. 
Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the 
virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't 
afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13).  All my cats mingle 
together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues 
tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was 
encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves 
with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 
years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious 
about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you 
have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests 
are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will 
always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But 
he is healthy as can be otherwise. I
 finally decided when my Lucy was 13 
(she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough 
antibodies built up by then, they never will!  Maybe I am lucky, or just 
stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[dlgegg]

MY ANNIE STIL TESTS POSITIVE, BUT SHE IS SO HEALTHY IT IS RIDUCULUS.  THE 
NEGATIVE CATS GET FELV VACCINE.  THEY EAT, DRINK AND PLAY TOGETHER, SQUABBLE 
SOMETIMES, BUT JUST SLAPPING AND HISSING, NO BITTING.  

 trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: 
 Shelley..
 
 I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully 
 vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. 
 Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the 
 virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't 
 afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13).  All my cats mingle 
 together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues 
 tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was 
 encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves 
 with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 
 years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious 
 about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you 
 have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests 
 are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will 
 always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But 
 he is healthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 
 (she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough 
 antibodies built up by then, they never will!  Maybe I am lucky, or just 
 stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home.
 
 On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Shelley Theye wrote:
 
  Hi Lee,
 
  Thanks for explaining.  Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still 
  turn negative.  He tested positive last July, when trapped and 
  neutered, and then again in Nov.  I haven't retested yet, and am 
  thinking of doing the IFA too.  Does the woman who has Taffy have all 
  of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV?
 
  Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their 
  negatives vaccinated for FeLV?
 
  Shelley
 
 
 
  On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote:
 
  Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were 
  cats rescued from different places at different times. One, a male 
  who I have had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was 
  not neutered, around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going 
  to get him adopted after neutering, I had him tested before I took 
  him into my own house. He tested negative for FIV but positive for 
  FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still positive, but that vet 
  suggested that I keep him for two months and then re-test. This guy 
  was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I did so, 
  took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say 
  that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test 
  and he was again negative. He's still with me.
 
  Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex 
  (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a 
  year old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, 
  Bunny. I put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. 
  She tested positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, 
  re-tested in about 3 months, she tested negative. Tested again to be 
  sure. Negative again so got her spayed.
  However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued 
  kitten brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in 
  Bulverde Texas. They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. 
  When they tested her, she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, 
  found her a foster home with a wonderful foster mom, who kept her 
  isolated for 3 months but Taffy still tested positive at the end of 
  the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom loves her and although 
  Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that Foster Mom has, 
  Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets to 
  socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is 
  perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog.
 
  The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect 
  that Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off 
  the virus as a kitten because she did not have very good care and 
  ended up as a little street stray.
 
 
  From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 
  10:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
  Lee,
 
  Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you 
  have that threw off the virus?
  Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they 
  have had the FeLV virus for more than 2 months
  before they ever were tested?
 
  Shelley
 
 
 
  On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:
 
  I have had a lot of success with adult cats who

[Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Betheny Laubenthal]

What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done
so that it is accurate?  I know that if it is done early on, it can be
inaccurate.
The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16.  We
did not test.  I don't like testing before 16 weeks.  We pulled the kitten
and her sister from another state.  Mom was in a high kill shelter.  She
was PTS before we could rescue her.  The rest of the litter was PTS.  Miles
and Journey were the only ones left.
Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill
informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that
her dogs could get it).  I was called after the fact.
What is proper testing protocol?  Vaccination protcol?  I use a 4 way with
feline leukemia, killed virus.
--Beth
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[Felvtalk] IFA/PCR and question about missing emails

[Shelley Theye]

Hi,

Thanks for the replies to my initial question.  Lots of good insight regarding 
testing.
I didn't realize about the PCR's showing regressive infection, thanks Lance.  
Does that mean
same as latent?  I just have one positive cat, so the test expense is something 
I would spring for if
it might help me decide on whether to integrate him with my negative cats or 
get him a friend

I didn't see a few of these responses until I looked at the archives-

Which brings me to another question-

I was wondering if anyone else has problems receiving all the emails from this 
list?
It seems like I receive some and not others, because sometimes I receive an 
email that is in response to another email that 
I never received.  Not sure how some are falling through the cracks.
Not in my junk mail folder either.

Shelley



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Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two

[dlgegg]

JUST BE SURE THAT THE BBY FOOD HAS NO ONION OR GARLIC IN IT.

 Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: 
 You might also try adding some baby food to the food to feed her. Some cats 
 go crazy for baby food.
 
 Sent from my iPhone.
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 14:50, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
 
  Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have
  that worry alleviated so soon.
   
  I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does
  look delicious!
   
  Thanks again-Chris C.
   
   
  From: Lance
  Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two
   
  My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had 
  changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it 
  indicating the progress of the disease. 
   
  I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's 
  definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably 
  easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to 
  me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very 
  appealing to them.
   
  This site has some good ideas:
   
  http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm
   
  On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
  
  I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter,
  so as I said in my intro, I am new at this.
   
  I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is
  not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a
  random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage
  she is in, or anything else.
   
  Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different
  dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was
  small to begin with.
   
  Thanks so much!
  
  Chris C.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two

[cerwin]

Yes, I will. She sees my own vet next Monday for a
consult.

Thanks-Chris C.


From: Lance 
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two

It's always a good idea to discuss any symptoms with Raja's vet. They may want 
to refer you to a veterinary ophthalmologist or other specialist just to 
confirm that nothing else is going on.

On May 1, 2013, at 1:50 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:


  Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have
  that worry alleviated so soon.

  I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does
  look delicious!

  Thanks again-Chris C.


  From: Lance 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two

  My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed 
quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating 
the progress of the disease.  

  I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's 
definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably 
easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me 
here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing 
to them.

  This site has some good ideas:

  http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm

  On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:


I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter,
so as I said in my intro, I am new at this.
I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is
not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a
random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage
she is in, or anything else.
Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different
dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was
small to begin with.
Thanks so much!

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[Felvtalk] a question....or two

[cerwin]

I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter,
so as I said in my intro, I am new at this.
I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is
not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a
random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage
she is in, or anything else.
Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different
dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was
small to begin with.
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[Lance]

My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed 
quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating 
the progress of the disease. 

I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's 
definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably 
easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me 
here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing 
to them.

This site has some good ideas:

http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm

On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:

 I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter,
 so as I said in my intro, I am new at this.
  
 I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is
 not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a
 random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage
 she is in, or anything else.
  
 Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different
 dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was
 small to begin with.
  
 Thanks so much!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two

[cerwin]

Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have
that worry alleviated so soon.

I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does
look delicious!

Thanks again-Chris C.


From: Lance 
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two

My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed 
quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating 
the progress of the disease.  

I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's 
definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably 
easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me 
here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing 
to them.

This site has some good ideas:

http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm

On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:


  I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter,
  so as I said in my intro, I am new at this.
  I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is
  not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a
  random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage
  she is in, or anything else.
  Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different
  dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was
  small to begin with.
  Thanks so much!

  Chris C.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two

[Maryam Ulomi]

You might also try adding some baby food to the food to feed her. Some cats go 
crazy for baby food.

Sent from my iPhone.

On May 1, 2013, at 14:50, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:

 Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have
 that worry alleviated so soon.
  
 I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does
 look delicious!
  
 Thanks again-Chris C.
  
  
 From: Lance
 Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two
  
 My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed 
 quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it 
 indicating the progress of the disease. 
  
 I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's 
 definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably 
 easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me 
 here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very 
 appealing to them.
  
 This site has some good ideas:
  
 http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm
  
 On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
 
 I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter,
 so as I said in my intro, I am new at this.
  
 I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is
 not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a
 random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage
 she is in, or anything else.
  
 Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different
 dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was
 small to begin with.
  
 Thanks so much!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two

[Lance]

Baby food works for a day or two. Just be sure to avoid those that have garlic 
or onion, as those ingredients are not good for cats.


On May 1, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote:

 You might also try adding some baby food to the food to feed her. Some cats 
 go crazy for baby food.
 
 Sent from my iPhone.
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 14:50, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
 
 Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have
 that worry alleviated so soon.
  
 I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does
 look delicious!
  
 Thanks again-Chris C.
  
  
 From: Lance
 Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two
  
 My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had 
 changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it 
 indicating the progress of the disease. 
  
 I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's 
 definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably 
 easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to 
 me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very 
 appealing to them.
  
 This site has some good ideas:
  
 http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm
  
 On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
 
 I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter,
 so as I said in my intro, I am new at this.
  
 I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is
 not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a
 random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage
 she is in, or anything else.
  
 Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different
 dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was
 small to begin with.
  
 Thanks so much!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two

[Lance]

It's always a good idea to discuss any symptoms with Raja's vet. They may want 
to refer you to a veterinary ophthalmologist or other specialist just to 
confirm that nothing else is going on.

On May 1, 2013, at 1:50 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:

 Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have
 that worry alleviated so soon.
  
 I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does
 look delicious!
  
 Thanks again-Chris C.
  
  
 From: Lance
 Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two
  
 My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed 
 quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it 
 indicating the progress of the disease. 
  
 I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's 
 definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably 
 easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me 
 here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very 
 appealing to them.
  
 This site has some good ideas:
  
 http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm
  
 On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
 
 I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter,
 so as I said in my intro, I am new at this.
  
 I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is
 not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a
 random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage
 she is in, or anything else.
  
 Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different
 dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was
 small to begin with.
  
 Thanks so much!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two

[Lorrie]

I have a rescued male like that. I've had him at least 5 years now, and
our vet never indicated it was a problem. He eats well and is in excellent
health otherwise.

Lorrie
 
On 05-01, Lance wrote:
My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had
changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything
about it indicating the progress of the disease.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two

[Bonnie Hogue]

Lance

Glad to hear your little Ember is doing okay!  I know she was having a hard
time last week.

Bonnie

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lance
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two

 

It's always a good idea to discuss any symptoms with Raja's vet. They may
want to refer you to a veterinary ophthalmologist or other specialist just
to confirm that nothing else is going on.

 

On May 1, 2013, at 1:50 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:





Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It's wonderful to have

that worry alleviated so soon.

 

I will try those foods, and the web site. I've seen Tiki Cat, and it does

look delicious!

 

Thanks again-Chris C.

 

 

From: Lance mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm  

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two

 

My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had
changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it
indicating the progress of the disease.  

 

I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's
definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably
easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to
me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very
appealing to them.

 

This site has some good ideas:

 

http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm

 

On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:





I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter,

so as I said in my intro, I am new at this.

 

I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is

not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a

random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage

she is in, or anything else.

 

Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I've tried different

dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was

small to begin with.

 

Thanks so much!

Chris C.

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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/QUESTION

[dot winkler]

mailmail pg - Hi.  Reading your email, how do you get the free food.  I still 
don't quite understand.  You also vet them as you said.  Please explain.  Are 
they ferals that you have trapped and kept indoors?  Or do you mean that you 
trap them, neuter and release and vet them when necessary?  Sorry - I did not 
understand and am trying to learn some things so that I can help my 7 outdoor 
cats.  dotty



 From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
 

The cats get free food, shelter and the best care we can provide cats that have 
to be trapped to be vetted.  I can provide worming and some other things 
without touching them but they are cautiousas they should be.  It has kept 
them alive for a long time and allowed them to have a good life ... not the 
life I would like for them but the life they are born to.  If they are going to 
eat and enjoy the protection we can give them, they make the trip to the vet.  
Some have managed to avoid trapping for really long times but I do insist and, 
eventually, they make that trip.

We don't have a lot of money either so I do understand.  Right now there are 6 
ferals plus those who wander by and go on.  We don't belong to a program 
either.  We just believe this is something we need to do.  Otherwise there 
would be zillions of cats/kittens here and finding homes is almost impossible.  
I have always had house cats who were feral at one time and consider them the 
smartest of cats but they are all very independent...even those that came in 
when they were very little kittens.  Unfortunately, most people want cats who 
are lap cats or less independent or whatever and don't want to spend the time 
necessary with ferals.  

  

On Aug 28, 2012, at 3:21 PM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi  I was reading your mail.  What did you mean about that is the price of 
free food?  Do you receive food free for feeding the cats?  I do not TNR.  I 
don't belong to any program.  Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats.  (they are 
all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each 
week.  Money I don't have.  It is getting to be a bad situation for me.  




 From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
 

Dozens of years re feeding.  We trap, s/n and release.  That is the price of 
free food.  I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends.  When I 
moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at 
that house.  I visited when I could and furnished the food.  We have fed 
ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember.  And calling a shelter will 
probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for.  

On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi.  I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - 
I didn't see any replies.
I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat 
feeding.  I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now.
I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and 
will have a very difficult postop recovery.  I have no-one else to feed the 
cats.  I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the 
newspaper to expose their plight.  Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility 
would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper.  I 
also could try to help in the adoption process.  ALSO, my other question is, 
how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats?  I am thinking this 
cannot go on forever.  Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I 
can't find adoptions?  Any input on this, would be great.  Thanks




 From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV  Ascites?
 

I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other 
conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it 
for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we 
lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from 
the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein 
content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded 
that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his 
sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous 
fluid, no cancer.
I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten 
 
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Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV  Ascites

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question (Maureen)

[Lorrie]

On 11-17, Maureen Olvey wrote:
I  kind of have to vaccinate.  I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and
since  I  doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my
others  because  I'm  not  planning on keeping them separated forever.
Maybe  I  should  but I don't have the set up for that.  I hate over -
vaccinating  too  but  I think I have to in this case. 

I have to vaccinate for FelV too, and I simply hate to do it. However,
I recently discovered that two of the cats in the shelter/sanctuary 
building I own are FelV pos.  They have mixed with all the other cats
there for years and none have had FelV vaccinations. Currently they
are all healthy.  These are not my 15 cats at home. They are all 
FelV neg and are never with my sanctuary cats.

Anyway, I'd also like to know which of the FelV vaccinations are the
best and least likely to cause VAS.

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

[katskat1]

Maureen-

Maybe she will be one of the lucky ones who fights it off.  Whether
she does or not, I will always be ready to take her and love her for
as long as she has.

I am willing to bet she and Koko Kitty (the blind terror) would
totally tear the house apart playing with each other.  Add in the 75#
Samoyed mix, Polar Bear and the puppy, Charlie and I will pitch a tent
to live in and give them the house!

If you keep her that is great but be sure I would LOVE to give her a
home with my fur babies if you aren't able to.

Let me know how she does no matter what your decision!

Kat

On 11/19/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Kat.

 I can keep her but I'd rather not because my house is full of foster
 failures as it is!  I love them all but I wish I could have found homes for
 more of them.  If for some reason I can't find her a home then she can
 always stay with me.  Don't worry, I won't be putting her down.

 I'll definitely think about your offer though.  I might need a nice drive to
 KY or OH to get away from my mad house for a few days  ;-) Really
 though, I will think about it.  I have a couple of friends with family up
 that way so I might find out when they're heading up.  I'll let you know.
 You would totally love her.  She is so sweet.  She really loves attention
 and follows me around.  Kind of a laid back little girl.  She likes to play
 of course like all kittens but she's also happy just hanging out.

 I'm hoping her IFA will be negative which would mean she still has a chance
 of extinguishing the virus.  I wouldn't expect a kitten to be able to fight
 off the virus but you just never know.  I'm going to wait a couple weeks
 before doing that test but will definitely think about your offer and see if
 there's a way to work out the transporting.

 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
 Twain

 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:28:59 -0500
 From: katsk...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

 Maureen
 I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats.  Of the cats, 1 is about 11 -
 12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive
 years ago.  One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because
 of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the
 house.  Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now,
 I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others.

 That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would
 be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her.  I
 can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you
 can't find her a home?

 She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling
 with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most
 definitely would not lack for play opportunities.

 Has she been spayed?

 If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep
 her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out
 with me.

 I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still.  Would love to have another.

 Thanks
 kat

 On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
  Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know
  of
  any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are
  concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies
  vaccine,
  a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given,
  which to
  me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only
  recognized
  for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks
  that
  is A OK!   Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever.
 
  Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
  2010.
 
  On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
 
  I kind of have to vaccinate.  I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and
  since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my
  others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever.
  Maybe
  I should but I don't have the set up for that.  I hate over -
  vaccinating
  too but I think I have to in this case.  Unless there's someone like
  Beth
  that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt
  her
  out  ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten.
  Appears healthy as a horse.  I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to
  the
  lab) so I know she's positive.  I hope she can extinguish the virus but
  since she's a kitten I'm a little worried.  Im going to follow up with
  an
  IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so
  that
  will tell me if she has

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

[katskat1]

Maureen
I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats.  Of the cats, 1 is about 11 -
12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive
years ago.  One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because
of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the
house.  Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now,
I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others.

That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would
be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her.  I
can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you
can't find her a home?

She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling
with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most
definitely would not lack for play opportunities.

Has she been spayed?

If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep
her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out
with me.

I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still.  Would love to have another.

Thanks
kat

On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of
 any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are
 concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine,
 a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to
 me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized
 for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that
 is A OK!   Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever.

 Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
 2010.

 On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I kind of have to vaccinate.  I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and
 since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my
 others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever.  Maybe
 I should but I don't have the set up for that.  I hate over - vaccinating
 too but I think I have to in this case.  Unless there's someone like Beth
 that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her
 out  ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten.
 Appears healthy as a horse.  I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the
 lab) so I know she's positive.  I hope she can extinguish the virus but
 since she's a kitten I'm a little worried.  Im going to follow up with an
 IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that
 will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus.  Back to the
 point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know.

 Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you
 from bringing in a positive kitty.  I tested all  my cats and kittens and
 they always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two
 years old.  No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV
 kitty.  The vet had some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you
 test a kitten and she shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't
 had time to show on the snap test.  Not a comforting thought I know.

 Still, I wouldn't vaccinate my cats if I hadn't brought in this FeLV
 kitten in because like most everyone I hate over-vaccinating.  I just knew
 her first snap test was a false positive so I wanted to give her a shot.
 But now that she's been here two weeks and is even more healthy I just
 can't put her down.  I'm going to try to adopt her out even though I doubt
 I'll be successful.  But in the meantime she needs to get out of that one
 room and play.

 Another interesting fact - a couple years ago I read there was a study
 done on the rabies vaccine and they found that kittens vaccinated at 12 or
 16 weeks old still had immunity 4 years later.  And that was just the
 normal one year rabies vaccine.  Crazy huh?  I think the American
 Association of Veterinarians something or another sets the vaccination
 protocols but they're all vets so of course they're going to recommend
 vaccinating as much as possible.


 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
 Twain

 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:38:18 -0800
 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

 I would be very, very cautious about vaccinating a cat agaimst FeLv.
 Several people I know had the miserable experience of their cat
 contracting leukemia after being vaccinated. I wouldn't swear that the
 vaccine was the source of the infection but these cats were not ever
 outside the house.  They were not exposed

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

[Maureen Olvey]

Thanks Kat.

I can keep her but I'd rather not because my house is full of foster failures 
as it is!  I love them all but I wish I could have found homes for more of 
them.  If for some reason I can't find her a home then she can always stay with 
me.  Don't worry, I won't be putting her down.

I'll definitely think about your offer though.  I might need a nice drive to KY 
or OH to get away from my mad house for a few days  ;-) Really though, I 
will think about it.  I have a couple of friends with family up that way so I 
might find out when they're heading up.  I'll let you know.  You would totally 
love her.  She is so sweet.  She really loves attention and follows me around.  
Kind of a laid back little girl.  She likes to play of course like all kittens 
but she's also happy just hanging out.

I'm hoping her IFA will be negative which would mean she still has a chance of 
extinguishing the virus.  I wouldn't expect a kitten to be able to fight off 
the virus but you just never know.  I'm going to wait a couple weeks before 
doing that test but will definitely think about your offer and see if there's a 
way to work out the transporting.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:28:59 -0500
 From: katsk...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
 
 Maureen
 I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats.  Of the cats, 1 is about 11 -
 12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive
 years ago.  One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because
 of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the
 house.  Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now,
 I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others.
 
 That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would
 be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her.  I
 can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you
 can't find her a home?
 
 She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling
 with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most
 definitely would not lack for play opportunities.
 
 Has she been spayed?
 
 If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep
 her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out
 with me.
 
 I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still.  Would love to have another.
 
 Thanks
 kat
 
 On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
  Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of
  any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are
  concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine,
  a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to
  me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized
  for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that
  is A OK!   Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever.
 
  Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
  2010.
 
  On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  I kind of have to vaccinate.  I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and
  since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my
  others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever.  Maybe
  I should but I don't have the set up for that.  I hate over - vaccinating
  too but I think I have to in this case.  Unless there's someone like Beth
  that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her
  out  ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten.
  Appears healthy as a horse.  I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the
  lab) so I know she's positive.  I hope she can extinguish the virus but
  since she's a kitten I'm a little worried.  Im going to follow up with an
  IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that
  will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus.  Back to the
  point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know.
 
  Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you
  from bringing in a positive kitty.  I tested all  my cats and kittens and
  they always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two
  years old.  No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV
  kitty.  The vet had some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you
  test a kitten and she shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't
  had time to show on the snap test.  Not a comforting thought I know.
 
  Still, I wouldn't

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

[Natalie]

Why do you feel that your cats need to be vaccinated at all?  Are they at
risk of exposure? Vaccinate your cats ONLY according to their lifestyles!
Remember, even the protocol for regular FVRCP is now every three years...

Fort Dodge doesn't have a stellar reputation.that's all I know.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

 

I've got to have a couple of my cats vaccinated against FeLV.  I've heard
you guys talk about the different makers of the vaccinations but I can't
remember what the best ones were.  Seems like I remember hearing about Fort
Dodge and some others but if anyone has had problems with a certain type of
vaccination by a certain maker please let me know.

I don't think I'm going to do the Vet Jet so I just wanted to know about the
regular FeLV vaccinations.

Thanks.

Maureen

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

[Lee Evans]

I would be very, very cautious about vaccinating a cat agaimst FeLv.  Several 
people I know had the miserable experience of their cat contracting leukemia 
after being vaccinated. I wouldn't swear that the vaccine was the source of the 
infection but these cats were not ever outside the house.  They were not 
exposed to any other cats.  They may have had the disorder lurking in their 
bone marrow and the vaccine sensitized them to getting the illness or they may 
have gotten it from the vaccine.  In addition, there's the danger of 
vaccine-site sarcoma. I have had cats living with me for most of my life. Most 
of them survive well into what is considered old age for cats - 16 to 20 
years.  Simply testing cats before adding them to my community assures that 
they will not be exposed to FeLv. I don't vaccinate, except when I send cats to 
adoption. FVRCP is required for that.  Of course, the rabies vaccine is 
required by law in most States but other than
 that, I feel that veterinarians push vaccines for cats for all the wrong 
reasons.
 
Lee



From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvt...@felineleukemia.orgi
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question


Why do you feel that your cats need to be vaccinated at all?  Are they at risk 
of exposure? Vaccinate your cats ONLY according to their lifestyles!  Remember, 
even the protocol for regular FVRCP is now every three years…..
Fort Dodge doesn’t have a stellar reputation…that’s all I know.
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
 
I've got to have a couple of my cats vaccinated against FeLV.  I've heard you 
guys talk about the different makers of the vaccinations but I can't remember 
what the best ones were.  Seems like I remember hearing about Fort Dodge and 
some others but if anyone has had problems with a certain type of vaccination 
by a certain maker please let me know.

I don't think I'm going to do the Vet Jet so I just wanted to know about the 
regular FeLV vaccinations.

Thanks.

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
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