Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Roman]

2016-02-04 14:49 GMT+02:00 Reindl Harald :

>
>
> Am 04.02.2016 um 13:45 schrieb Roman:
>
>> that below is the perfect example how shitty your mailing style is
>>> nobody is any longer able to guess who said what in what context
>>>
>>> I understand your frustration, but please, try to stay calm. I'm not a PC
>>>
>> beginner, I've got really about 12 years of technical experience in *nix
>> and networking world and some years is OSCs
>>
>
> one reason more to learn handle a mail-client :-)


It's just Gmail's web-interface a bit messed up. When I insert my comments
directly into the quoted e-mail, it seems to be working. When I just cut
and paste the quoted part, it won't. Well, now it seems like OK.

>
>
> and there are only few of them,
>> that really want people stop top-posting, but never understood why. So I'm
>> really glad I've found some people, who is patient enough to explain me
>> why, and as you can see from my posts, I even try to adopt myself for
>> this,
>> while I could just behave like selfish dude and tell everyone to fuck off
>> and stop being full of bullshit.
>>
>
> yes you can, but don't forget you want help from people on the list and
> not the other direction


The truth is yours, but the lists consist of much more people that those
who is being upset because of top-posting. So one of my initial offers
would take some place here to: just ignore each other rather than insist. I
guess.

>
>
> Well, back to the topic... Is it better now? Do you guys see those first
>> two lines as quoted and my reply at the bottom?
>>
>
> yes and you will also see a hirarchy on my reply now
>
> one thing: your quoting missed the "person said on date time" which is
> important for a full context
>
>
Thanks. Seems reasonable.  Peace! ;-)


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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Roman]

> OMFG!  Let me log into the web interface and show you how it is done.

So you just offer me to insert ">" symbol before every line I quote or just
copy the whole e-mail I'm answering to?





2016-02-04 13:40 GMT+02:00 James Darnley :

> On 2016-02-04 12:30, Roman wrote:
> > why should *we* suck your quoting style?
> >
> > you should not. just don't reply, if you don't like the style. To try
> > to convince every one to change their habits due to minority being
> upset. I
> > think, such approach will make everyone happy.
> >
> > why should someone use gmail-webinterface when gmail also works fine with
> > any MUA supporting IMAP and SMTP ?
> >
> > Why should I use IMAP from Jurassic age? I prefer MAPI. I always shut the
> > IMAP and POP3 (both SSL and not) protocols down on all of my servers. Its
> > 21. century, Hello?!
> >
> > why can't you use the right tool for the right task
> >
> > same to top-post haters. Use forums.
> >
> > why don't you complain to gmail so that they make a better interface
> which
> > is useable for list-communication?
> >
> > gmail is pretty big company and they dictate standards, not minority.
> >
> > IDK if gmail will now quote the text.. I did it like i had to: copy/paste
> > lines from the whole quoted e-mail. So its not me :D
> >
>
> OMFG!  Let me log into the web interface and show you how it is done.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Phil Rhodes]

Most of the time, it doesn't cause serious problems with readability and may 
encourage people to contribute usefully if they're posting on, say, a 
cellphone, or in a hurry.
It's an "open source thing". The only place you commonly find people 
complaining about it is on lists just like this one, dedicated to the technical 
discussion of open source software, where certain people feel the need to prove 
something.
Ignore complaints about it. They're background noise.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.02.2016 um 11:59 schrieb Roman:

When you read reviews (academical, amateur, professional), there are no
quotes and below-postings. Review author just mentions what exactly hes
referring to and continues his review. And same goes to review on review.
Please see academical reviews as an example. Yes, I've wrote 2 diplomas and
lots of reviews, so I really know, what I'm saying :).


a review *is not* a living communication with follow-up replies from 
different people



If an academical approach is wrong for top-posting haters


it's a thread and not a academical review

i don't need the full thread with many KB size in a ton of postings 
because i have the other ones and in case of a complex problem at the 
end of the thread only the open part remians in the quotes


it's also not a business communication where it makes sometimes sense 
take the last mail containing the *whole* communication, print it out 
and throw it into someones face



then I have
nothing to say. Will have to get used to every mailing list approach (still
there are many lists, where people do write with top posting, as it is
human-like approach of socializing using e-mails


well, and on most mailing-lists ignorant top-posting with a full quote 
is not welcome, just because people don't handle it correct all day long 
make them not right


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu



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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Nicholas Robbins]

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:44 AM, Roman  wrote:
>
> > OMFG!  Let me log into the web interface and show you how it is done.
>
> So you just offer me to insert ">" symbol before every line I quote or
just
> copy the whole e-mail I'm answering to?

This was also done from gmail's website. Click on the [...] to show the
quoted material, then, click on the last button on the format bar (an
underlined, italic T with an X subscript.) Called "remove formatting."

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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.02.2016 um 12:48 schrieb Phil Rhodes:

Most of the time, it doesn't cause serious problems with readability and may 
encourage people to contribute usefully if they're posting on, say, a 
cellphone, or in a hurry.
It's an "open source thing". The only place you commonly find people 
complaining about it is on lists just like this one, dedicated to the technical 
discussion of open source software, where certain people feel the need to prove something.
Ignore complaints about it. They're background noise.


who do you think you are?
https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette



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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Roman]

No.  I expect you to use the "features" of the "client" you use.
Clicking on the ellipsis in the box (those three dots in a grey
rectangle) with the tooltip "Show trimmed content" you will suddenly see
everything you are quoting.  You can then cut it up from there.


Here is what is happened, when i Cut/Paste things from there, as I did
before... When I send the mail, I see quoted text in another color (violet
or smth), but I'm not sure you guys see it as quoted :)


2016-02-04 14:00 GMT+02:00 James Darnley :

> On 2016-02-04 12:44, Roman wrote:
> >> OMFG!  Let me log into the web interface and show you how it is done.
> >
> > So you just offer me to insert ">" symbol before every line I quote or
> just
> > copy the whole e-mail I'm answering to?
>
>
>
> In the proper HTML interface the quick reply box (as shown in 1.png)
> will top post.  As you discovered you can use a greater than sign to
> quote any random text.
>
> If you click the "More Reply Options" button you will get what looks
> like a proper mail interface (as shown in 2.png).
>
> Moving on to the rubbish javascript interface you will also get a quick
> reply box (3.png).
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.02.2016 um 11:59 schrieb Roman:

Thanks for an answer.

I see, but still not share such approach while sending/receiving e-mails.

It was not very comfortable for me to follow your e-mail with such quotes


does your mail client not visualize quotes?
get a better one - see attachment




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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[James Darnley]

On 2016-02-04 12:44, Roman wrote:
>> OMFG!  Let me log into the web interface and show you how it is done.
> 
> So you just offer me to insert ">" symbol before every line I quote or just
> copy the whole e-mail I'm answering to?

No.  I expect you to use the "features" of the "client" you use.

In the proper HTML interface the quick reply box (as shown in 1.png)
will top post.  As you discovered you can use a greater than sign to
quote any random text.

If you click the "More Reply Options" button you will get what looks
like a proper mail interface (as shown in 2.png).

Moving on to the rubbish javascript interface you will also get a quick
reply box (3.png).

Clicking on the ellipsis in the box (those three dots in a grey
rectangle) with the tooltip "Show trimmed content" you will suddenly see
everything you are quoting.  You can then cut it up from there.



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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[James Darnley]

On 2016-02-04 12:30, Roman wrote:
> why should *we* suck your quoting style?
> 
> you should not. just don't reply, if you don't like the style. To try
> to convince every one to change their habits due to minority being upset. I
> think, such approach will make everyone happy.
> 
> why should someone use gmail-webinterface when gmail also works fine with
> any MUA supporting IMAP and SMTP ?
> 
> Why should I use IMAP from Jurassic age? I prefer MAPI. I always shut the
> IMAP and POP3 (both SSL and not) protocols down on all of my servers. Its
> 21. century, Hello?!
> 
> why can't you use the right tool for the right task
> 
> same to top-post haters. Use forums.
> 
> why don't you complain to gmail so that they make a better interface which
> is useable for list-communication?
> 
> gmail is pretty big company and they dictate standards, not minority.
> 
> IDK if gmail will now quote the text.. I did it like i had to: copy/paste
> lines from the whole quoted e-mail. So its not me :D
> 

OMFG!  Let me log into the web interface and show you how it is done.



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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Roman]

Damn, you guys just made my eyes bleeding again.

I use gmail, so when I copy the visualized quote, It ends up with:

does your mail client not visualize quotes?
get a better one - see attachment

Seems like doesn't. Or it actually does, when I will send it? Let's see..
Why should I keep to some client, if I can use web-based clients? :)


2016-02-04 13:06 GMT+02:00 Reindl Harald :

>
>
> Am 04.02.2016 um 11:59 schrieb Roman:
>
>> Thanks for an answer.
>>
>> I see, but still not share such approach while sending/receiving e-mails.
>>
>> It was not very comfortable for me to follow your e-mail with such quotes
>>
>
> does your mail client not visualize quotes?
> get a better one - see attachment
>
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Reindl Harald]

that below is the perfect example how shitty your mailing style is
nobody is any longer able to guess who said what in what context

Am 04.02.2016 um 13:24 schrieb Roman:

No.  I expect you to use the "features" of the "client" you use.
Clicking on the ellipsis in the box (those three dots in a grey
rectangle) with the tooltip "Show trimmed content" you will suddenly see
everything you are quoting.  You can then cut it up from there.

Here is what is happened, when i Cut/Paste things from there, as I did
before... When I send the mail, I see quoted text in another color (violet
or smth), but I'm not sure you guys see it as quoted :)

2016-02-04 14:00 GMT+02:00 James Darnley :


On 2016-02-04 12:44, Roman wrote:

OMFG!  Let me log into the web interface and show you how it is done.


So you just offer me to insert ">" symbol before every line I quote or

just

copy the whole e-mail I'm answering to?


In the proper HTML interface the quick reply box (as shown in 1.png)
will top post.  As you discovered you can use a greater than sign to
quote any random text.

If you click the "More Reply Options" button you will get what looks
like a proper mail interface (as shown in 2.png).

Moving on to the rubbish javascript interface you will also get a quick
reply box (3.png)




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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[juan carlos Rebate]

and I'm the rude when your are insulting

2016-02-04 22:06 GMT+01:00 Jannes Faber :
> On 4 Feb 2016 9:56 p.m., "juan carlos Rebate"  wrote:
>>
>> gmail.com does not include options to write at the bottom
>
> Click the fking three little dots!
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.02.2016 um 21:56 schrieb juan carlos Rebate:

gmail.com does not include options to write at the bottom


READ THIS WHOLE FUCKING THREAD AND STOP PRETEND THAT!

you are even too lazy/stupid to remove the list footer from your reply


Am 04.02.2016 um 21:37 schrieb juan carlos Rebate:


I am not rude, gmail-web does not allow me to publish on the bottom
and not use programs that do not like, no one can force me to use
something I'm not comfortable



proven in *this thread* you can properly write mail with gmail and if you
are not comfortable in doing so or just use a proper mail client where this
is no topic you are *ignorant*

top-posting *inside this thread* is simply asshole-behavior

gmail is your excuse?
tell that my thunderbird using my gmail account seamless!



2016-02-04 20:55 GMT+01:00 Paul B Mahol :


On 2/4/16, juan carlos Rebate  wrote:


if you think it's a waste of time does not respond, the sociedd
progresses, the services must engage the advance, the service is so
and we must tolerate, no one should tell anyone how they should do
things.



You are being rude, because you are top posting on this ML




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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue - OFF TOPIC

[Matt Zagrabelny]

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:56 PM, juan carlos Rebate  wrote:
> gmail.com does not include options to write at the bottom,

Mine does. Click the little rectangle with three dots on it. Then you
can reply "inline", like I am doing right now.

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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Jannes Faber]

On 4 Feb 2016 9:56 p.m., "juan carlos Rebate"  wrote:
>
> gmail.com does not include options to write at the bottom

Click the fking three little dots!
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Phil Rhodes]

> no, you are a fool telling others "Ignore complaints about it. 
Please stop insulting me. I haven't insulted you. Your presumptiveness is 
breathtaking.
> "background noise" comes from the list-owners / developers
That's funny, when I've asked in the past, I have been told that nobody is in 
charge.
Except Carl Eugen, of course.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Charles Winthrop]

I work with open source software daily. And I have NEVER seen more 
in-fighting going on with a single piece of it until ffmpeg. Not just 
this list. I've tried forums, live chats, and even stackexchange. Nobody 
dealing with ffmpeg, these so-called "experts" ever answer any 
questions, they just bitch and whine and fight among themselves like 
little children.


On 2/4/2016 8:42 AM, Phil Rhodes wrote:

  Everyone her would rather whine about writing style than actually solve > a 
problem. Really professsional, folks!

Welcome to open source software...
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.02.2016 um 14:40 schrieb Charles Winthrop:

Well, this has decided me. Dump ffmpeg and find an actual solution.


have fun, here ffmpeg works for nearly a decade fine


Everyone her would rather whine about writing style than actually solve
a problem. Really professsional, folks!


WTF - complain at the guy asking *why* top-posting is not welcome and 
not at the people answering and explain why



On 2/4/2016 8:09 AM, Phil Rhodes wrote:

I think the fact that this is by far the most hotly-debated topic in a
long time speaks volumes




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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.02.2016 um 15:06 schrieb Phil Rhodes:

top-posting is considered rude on this list

By who?


why do you strip quotes out of context and play the unknown while you 
are long enough trolling on this list:


https://www.google.com/search?q=top-posting+here+is+considered+as+rude



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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.02.2016 um 16:54 schrieb Charles Winthrop:

Honestly it is a non-issue.

I thought I was signing up for a technical discussion and support list, not a 
posting etiquette discussion list. Apparently ffmpeg has no such thing.


looks like you are no capable to ignore a thread which don't interest 
you - that's not other peoples problem!


hint: nobody forces you to read every mail and you can even tell your 
mail client to discard specific subjects and in many cases even your 
incoming mailserver with sieve


BTW: what are you doing still here after the mail below?

 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff: Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue
Datum: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 08:40:02 -0500
Von: Charles Winthrop <char...@nts-show.com>
Antwort an: FFmpeg user questions <ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org>
An: FFmpeg user questions <ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org>

Well, this has decided me. Dump ffmpeg and find an actual solution.

Everyone her would rather whine about writing style than actually solve
a problem. Really professsional, folks!



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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Roman]

Phil Turmel, Jason C

Hi guys and thanks for your time, but it now seems like we see
disadvantages of quoted answers or laziness of yours to read the whole 28
mails and see the fact, that I was not tried to say something really bad to
this type of style. Thanks to Reindl Harald's patience which was on the
edge already I've managed to understand and accept this way of writing
here, on this list.
Instead of taking your time and pointing out to the history and searching
engines, you could just read the whole thread or, at least, my last few
e-mails :) In some way this thread could even be a good example of
community helping newcomers to make them here feeling like at home. Again:
pointing out to search engines and history in most cases takes as much time
as someone could just write a simple answer.

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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[juan carlos Rebate]

if you think it's a waste of time does not respond, the sociedd
progresses, the services must engage the advance, the service is so
and we must tolerate, no one should tell anyone how they should do
things.

2016-02-04 19:31 GMT+01:00 Jannes Faber :
> On 4 February 2016 at 17:42, juan carlos Rebate  wrote:
>
>> I agree
>
>
> To what? Why are you trying to waste my time? Why are you trying to force
> me to search through the context, by top posting?
>
> I'm not going to. So I don't care what you're agreeing to. Which is not my
> problem.
>
> Also, I'm muting this thread.
>
> Thank you,
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[juan carlos Rebate]

I agree, I'm used to answer as well, plus it's easier to read
responses, this innconveniente ignore me on the list, besides the html
is the evolution, why so afraid?

2016-02-04 11:27 GMT+01:00 Nicolas George :
> Le sextidi 16 pluviôse, an CCXXIV, Roman a écrit :
>> I've seen many times people asking/forcing not to top-post to the list...
>> So here I've got a question.. Why ?
>
> I will answer to you with a question: when you watch an episode of a TV
> series, does it:
>
> A. start with short excerpts of the previous episodes, to remind you what
>happened last weeks;
>
> B. end with a full rerun of the previous episode (which itself ends in a
>full rerun of the previous one, recursively)?
>
> You have to realize that while people who ask questions usually read only a
> few of the mail on the mailing-lists and follow only the thread about their
> own issue, people who answer the question, on the other hand, follow several
> threads on this mailing list and others. They need to have a reminder of
> what this is about, before they start reading the new stuff.
>
>> Most of programs, including gmail app
>> and gmail web come with top posting by default and this is the way all
>
> These programs are the result of a negative feedback loop: first, uneducated
> users started replying on top of the quote without thinking, then programs
> for these uneducated users started having features to make that easier to
> handle.
>
>>   Why the hell one should scroll down to see
>> the last post if it is very ok to see the last post on the top of incming
>> e-mail.
>
> You do not have to do that. The best way of replying to a mail is not to
> reply on the bottom of the full quote either. The correct way is to trim the
> quote so that it has just enough context. Just like I did in this very mail.
>
> Regards,
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Phil Rhodes]

I think the fact that this is by far the most hotly-debated topic in a long 
time speaks volumes.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.02.2016 um 14:40 schrieb Phil Rhodes:

  no, you are a fool telling others "Ignore complaints about it.

Please stop insulting me. I haven't insulted you. Your presumptiveness is 
breathtaking


when you recommend ignoring the list-rules your are either a fool or a troll


  "background noise" comes from the list-owners / developers

That's funny, when I've asked in the past, I have been told that nobody is in 
charge.
Except Carl Eugen, of course


and he explains multiple times each week that top-posting is considered 
rude on this list - SO AGAIN: who the fuck are you to recommend others 
ignore that?





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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Phil Rhodes]

> Everyone her would rather whine about writing style than actually solve > a 
>problem. Really professsional, folks!
Welcome to open source software...
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Phil Rhodes]

> top-posting is considered rude on this list
By who?
And at this point, the idea of your accusing anyone else of impoliteness is 
hilarious.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Phil Turmel]

Hi Roman,

On 02/04/2016 04:46 AM, Roman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I've seen many times people asking/forcing not to top-post to the list...
> So here I've got a question.. Why ?

Long-time lurker here, infrequent poster, so take this as an outsider's
view:

People who *ask* questions on mailing lists like this one are only
reading their own mails and the responses to them.  The people who
*answer* questions are reading mails from many people and want to keep
track of many topics with minimal effort.

Threaded e-mail clients are very efficient for the latter, and
top-posting makes threaded e-mails look very bad.  Many such people also
only use text view -- no html.  The standards for quoting e-mail in text
mode (using > characters) were established long before web browsers even
existed.

I, personally and professionally, avoid html email like the plague, as
it is a primary vector for malware attacks and big business data collection.

> Most of programs, including gmail app
> and gmail web come with top posting by default and this is the way all
> people are used to read mail. Why the hell one should scroll down to see
> the last post if it is very ok to see the last post on the top of incming
> e-mail.

Microsoft started the top-posting default in Outlook many years ago.  I
don't know why.  But when webmail became common, many webmail interfaces
deliberately followed Outlook's style to gain acceptance.

> Where such attitude/culture comes from? Anyone to explain?

I'm sure some of the resistance to top-posting is a vestige of
anti-Microsoft sentiment among developers, but I suspect the bulk is
really about readability in text-mode threaded e-mail clients.  Mails
that look good in threaded mail clients also look good in the web
archives, making google searches work better.

It is important to realize that in the open-source world, many if not
most developers are volunteers.  So asking for help is asking for a
volunteer to help you.  Many volunteers will simply ignore you if you
fail to follow their advice, whether on the technical content or the
etiquette.  FFmpeg has published their email guidelines prominently on
their website.

Finally, you received an answer from *one* major developer of ffmpeg,
Nicolas George, then silence.  He and his peers are the ones you most
want to help you, so help them help you by sending email the way they
want to see it, not the way you want to send it.

That's your answer.

HTH,

Phil
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Jason C]

On Feb 4, 2016 4:46 AM, "Roman"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I've seen many times people asking/forcing not to top-post to the list...
> So here I've got a question.. Why ? Most of programs, including gmail app
> and gmail web come with top posting by default and this is the way all
> people are used to read mail. Why the hell one should scroll down to see
> the last post if it is very ok to see the last post on the top of incming
> e-mail.
> Where such attitude/culture comes from? Anyone to explain?

There's no reason to clutter the mailing lists info with this one.

Information about this etiquette, preferences for both styles, and history
and reasons for both is *readily* available from *many* sources with
cursory Google searching. The FFmpeg mailing list isn't the greatest venue
nor is this discussion necessary.

Simply type "top and bottom post" into your favorite search engine.

Jason

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> Roman.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Charles Winthrop]

Honestly it is a non-issue. 

I thought I was signing up for a technical discussion and support list, not a 
posting etiquette discussion list. Apparently ffmpeg has no such thing.


On February 4, 2016 10:50:43 AM EST, Jason C  wrote:
>On Feb 4, 2016 4:46 AM, "Roman"  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> I've seen many times people asking/forcing not to top-post to the
>list...
>> So here I've got a question.. Why ? Most of programs, including gmail
>app
>> and gmail web come with top posting by default and this is the way
>all
>> people are used to read mail. Why the hell one should scroll down to
>see
>> the last post if it is very ok to see the last post on the top of
>incming
>> e-mail.
>> Where such attitude/culture comes from? Anyone to explain?
>
>There's no reason to clutter the mailing lists info with this one.
>
>Information about this etiquette, preferences for both styles, and
>history
>and reasons for both is *readily* available from *many* sources with
>cursory Google searching. The FFmpeg mailing list isn't the greatest
>venue
>nor is this discussion necessary.
>
>Simply type "top and bottom post" into your favorite search engine.
>
>Jason
>
>>
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>> Roman.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Steve Boyer]

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Roman  wrote:
> Hi,

Hi!

> I've seen many times people asking/forcing not to top-post to the list...
> So here I've got a question.. Why ? Most of programs, including gmail app
> and gmail web come with top posting by default and this is the way all
> people are used to read mail. Why the hell one should scroll down to see
> the last post if it is very ok to see the last post on the top of incming
> e-mail.
> Where such attitude/culture comes from? Anyone to explain?

I had the same thought when I originally saw all of the requests of
not top-posting. The definitive reason to not top-post is to realize
that all of these e-mails are public for all posterity on the
FFmpeg-user archive. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is
trying to figure something out and goes to google the problem and
eventually lands in the archives.

Ex.) http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/2015-October/028744.html
vs http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/2015-October/028745.html

Both are part of the same e-mail thread - Alex top-posted, so I read
what he said, then say "i missed something" and go down to Moritz's
e-mail read the entirety as it is preserved (not to mention if there
are many more replies embedded), then back to Alex's to fully
understand. Compare that to Moritz's reply in which he responded
in-line, with specific parts quoted, and excess deleted.

Based on that, I've come around to understanding that responding
in-line on a mailing list that gets archived is easier to read in the
future.

> Best regards,

Hope this hornet's nest hasn't scared you away.

> Roman.

Steve
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Jannes Faber]

On 4 February 2016 at 17:42, juan carlos Rebate  wrote:

> I agree


To what? Why are you trying to waste my time? Why are you trying to force
me to search through the context, by top posting?

I'm not going to. So I don't care what you're agreeing to. Which is not my
problem.

Also, I'm muting this thread.

Thank you,

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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Paul B Mahol]

On 2/4/16, juan carlos Rebate  wrote:
> if you think it's a waste of time does not respond, the sociedd
> progresses, the services must engage the advance, the service is so
> and we must tolerate, no one should tell anyone how they should do
> things.

You are being rude, because you are top posting on this ML.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[juan carlos Rebate]

I am not rude, gmail-web does not allow me to publish on the bottom
and not use programs that do not like, no one can force me to use
something I'm not comfortable

2016-02-04 20:55 GMT+01:00 Paul B Mahol :
> On 2/4/16, juan carlos Rebate  wrote:
>> if you think it's a waste of time does not respond, the sociedd
>> progresses, the services must engage the advance, the service is so
>> and we must tolerate, no one should tell anyone how they should do
>> things.
>
> You are being rude, because you are top posting on this ML.
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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.02.2016 um 21:37 schrieb juan carlos Rebate:

I am not rude, gmail-web does not allow me to publish on the bottom
and not use programs that do not like, no one can force me to use
something I'm not comfortable


proven in *this thread* you can properly write mail with gmail and if 
you are not comfortable in doing so or just use a proper mail client 
where this is no topic you are *ignorant*


top-posting *inside this thread* is simply asshole-behavior

gmail is your excuse?
tell that my thunderbird using my gmail account seamless!


2016-02-04 20:55 GMT+01:00 Paul B Mahol :

On 2/4/16, juan carlos Rebate  wrote:

if you think it's a waste of time does not respond, the sociedd
progresses, the services must engage the advance, the service is so
and we must tolerate, no one should tell anyone how they should do
things.


You are being rude, because you are top posting on this ML




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Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

[juan carlos Rebate]

gmail.com does not include options to write at the bottom, outlook if
you have this option, but this application is payment, evolution does
not have that option, thunderbird does not have this option, if you
have kmail but does not allow referencing the ancient text

2016-02-04 21:40 GMT+01:00 Reindl Harald :
>
>
> Am 04.02.2016 um 21:37 schrieb juan carlos Rebate:
>>
>> I am not rude, gmail-web does not allow me to publish on the bottom
>> and not use programs that do not like, no one can force me to use
>> something I'm not comfortable
>
>
> proven in *this thread* you can properly write mail with gmail and if you
> are not comfortable in doing so or just use a proper mail client where this
> is no topic you are *ignorant*
>
> top-posting *inside this thread* is simply asshole-behavior
>
> gmail is your excuse?
> tell that my thunderbird using my gmail account seamless!
>
>
>> 2016-02-04 20:55 GMT+01:00 Paul B Mahol :
>>>
>>> On 2/4/16, juan carlos Rebate  wrote:

 if you think it's a waste of time does not respond, the sociedd
 progresses, the services must engage the advance, the service is so
 and we must tolerate, no one should tell anyone how they should do
 things.
>>>
>>>
>>> You are being rude, because you are top posting on this ML
>
>
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