Re: filmscanners: Jay Maisel Interview with Pictures and Link...

[Arthur Entlich]

There are several legal issues in terms of dating images for copyright. 
  On the one hand, you receive your copyright the moment you press the 
shutter button, even prior to processing... which protects you from the 
rolls being stolen in the mail to the processor, and the thief claiming 
ownership, or the lab doing something similar.

On the other hand, you are supposed to issue a copyright dating on the 
first publication of the image.  That could be in a magazine, when you 
sell or display a print of the image, or the first time it goes onto a 
digital media that is distributed in some manner, including a web site.

Also, should the image later on be manipulated in some manner to be 
considered a unique work from the original, the derivative can also be 
copyrighted as a new image with a new date.  The line becomes somewhat 
blurry here, since it depends somewhat on the amount of manipulation or 
change one is speaking of.  For instance, a scratch repair or a color 
correction would not be considered a new image, in spite of what 
Microsoft attempted to do with their Corbis releases.

Art

Berry Ives wrote:


>> 
> If Jay Maisel has not shot film, except for one roll, during the past year,
> how is it that all of the images are copyright 2001, yet most are from film?
> 
> I guess the copyright does not correspond to the date the image was shot?
> 
> -Berry

Re: filmscanners: Vuescan

[Arthur Entlich]

I have taken my asbestos suit out, had it dry cleaned, and refitted:


Bob Shomler wrote:

>> Either Ed has stopped announcing new releases of Vuescan or not all
the mail
>> is getting through. Visited his site today and found that version
7.03 is
>> now available.
>>
>> Dale
>
>
> He may not be announcing new releases on the list.  In other
correspondence he wrote a few days ago

"I'm not on this [filmscanner] mailing list any more - too many
off-topic postings."
>
> --
> Bob Shomler
> http://www.shomler.com/gallery.htm


I find that very interesting, if accurate. Especially after he
encouraged the flood of this exact group with literally hundreds, if not
thousands, of messages regarding his Vuescan product. He was very
willing to use this group to advance his product sales and acquire free
public input of valuable suggestions that otherwise he would have had to
pay consultants for and free beta testing.

I don't discount the amount of time he spends on this project, but he
does pocket $40 US per sale, and I'm sure he is doing well with product
sales. Eventually, he will sell this product to a major supplier, or
license it for major money. That's great for him. It seems like a good
or growing product, but he has received plenty of repayment for whatever
energy has gone into being on this list though said beta testing and
think-tank sessions.

To simply abandon his paying public on this group, which I imagine is
not small, based upon the feedback he generated concerning improvements,
shows a lack of regard for them, especially without making an
announcement of this, so they weren't whistling in the wind, thinking
they were still communicating with him. Even if he no longer reads this
group, and chose to announce that and supplied another method of
communications with him, he could still provide information of updates
here quite easily.

The other side of this equation is that he took a lot of heat off the
scanner manufacturers who have been producing weak or literally
defective software which they have an obligation to improve the quality
of, which might explain the ease he has in receiving advance sample
product from companies like Nikon. If Nikon likes it so much, they
should include the product as an alternative to their own, included in
the price of their scanner.

I have referred hundreds of people to his software as a potential
alternative, including a number of local local scanner dealers, so I am
not grinding any axes here. But just imagine what Linux would have
looked like, had each coder/contributor required payment.

Socialistically yours,

Art

RE: filmscanners: Jay Maisel Interview with Pictures and Link...

[Larry Berman]

The copyright that Jay Maisel requested was in his cover letter.

We've all seen copyright stated in various ways. Sometimes with two years, 
the year of origin and year of publication. Sometimes just the year of 
publication. If you've seen older single year copyright, it has probably 
been that the images was published in that year. On the web it might mean 
that the site hasn't been updated.

Is there any exact specification for copyright presentation?

Larry


>Berry wrote: "If Jay Maisel has not shot film, except for one roll, during
>the past year,
>how is it that all of the images are copyright 2001, yet most are from film?
>
>I guess the copyright does not correspond to the date the image was shot?"
>
>I noticed that too. The copyright definitely does not correspond. Some of
>those images are 15+ years old.
>
>Cathy


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Web Sites for Artists: http://BermanGraphics.com
Compare Image Compression from the top
Graphics Programs: http://ImageCompress.com
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RE: filmscanners: Jay Maisel Interview with Pictures and Link...

[Cathy Brown]

Berry wrote: "If Jay Maisel has not shot film, except for one roll, during
the past year,
how is it that all of the images are copyright 2001, yet most are from film?

I guess the copyright does not correspond to the date the image was shot?"

I noticed that too. The copyright definitely does not correspond. Some of
those images are 15+ years old.

Cathy
http://www.catbrownphoto.com


-

Re: filmscanners: Vuescan

[Henry Richardson]

>Bob wrote:
> >He may not be announcing new releases on the list.  In other 
>correspondence
> >he wrote a few days ago "I'm not on this [filmscanner] mailing list any
> >more - too many off-topic postings."
>
>Bummer.  That means he has missed all the postings asking for the grain
>removal and cleaning to be separated.
>
>Rob

Rob, you can point Ed to 
http://phi.res.cse.dmu.ac.uk/Filmscan/2001/Mar/subject.html and he can see 
all the messages that were posted about it under the "filmscanners: Need 
feedback on VueScan Improvements" heading.
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RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

[Frank Paris]

The title of the control is "Contrast (gamma)"

Frank Paris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Maris V. Lidaka,
> Sr.
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 7:46 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution
> 
> 
> And is it really a gamma control, or just a contrast or 
> brightness control?

Re: filmscanners: Jay Maisel Interview with Pictures and Link...

[Berry Ives]

on 3/19/01 1:52 PM, Larry Berman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Lynn,
> 
> You can tell which are digital by the alt tags. The DSC numbers are the
> names of the digital files from the D1. I purposely left it out of the
> article. Glad you liked it.
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
>> Very nice article, Larry; totally on-topic AFAIC, and thanks for pointing it
>> up. It really "hits home" on numerous points.
>> 
>> One thing you left out: which pics were digital and which ones were film? I
>> could guess, and so could others, but I'll bet we'd be amazed if we knew for
>> sure!
> 
> 
> <:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:>
> Larry Berman
> 
> Web Sites for Artists: http://BermanGraphics.com
> Compare Image Compression from the top
> Graphics Programs: http://ImageCompress.com
> Explore the Art Show Jury process from a web site:
> http://ArtShowJury.com
> <:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:><:>
> 
If Jay Maisel has not shot film, except for one roll, during the past year,
how is it that all of the images are copyright 2001, yet most are from film?

I guess the copyright does not correspond to the date the image was shot?

-Berry

filmscanners: Macbeth Color Checker download

[Larry Berman]

 From me?

I've created a downloadable zip file:
http://BermanGraphics.com/downloads/macbethcolorchecker.zip

A point here. I scanned it using VueScan at 1200 DPI and it scanned into 
sRGB color space. I then reduced it to 72 PPI in Photoshop so it's about 
1.5 megabytes.

I would guess that the only thing it would be good for, unless you have 
your monitor set for default color to sRGB, is to visually compare two 
displays.

Larry



>Is the colour checker downloadable?


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Compare Image Compression from the top
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Re: filmscanners: Vuescan

[Bob Shomler]

>>He may not be announcing new releases on the list.  In other correspondence
>>he wrote a few days ago "I'm not on this [filmscanner] mailing list any
>>more - too many off-topic postings."
>
>Bummer.  That means he has missed all the postings asking for the grain
>removal and cleaning to be separated.
>
>Rob

It may be necessary to send bug reports and other vuescan requests direct to Ed.  For 
this specific topic perhaps you might send one note with a summary of the list 
responses requesting that function.


--
Bob Shomler
http://www.shomler.com/gallery.htm

Re: filmscanners: 110 film

[Robert E. Wright]

You have a good point. I've seen many reports regarding digitizing Minox
8x11mm that combining optical enlargement and scanning resulting prints may
be a better compromise.

However, I think you must realize that the 110 format probably didn't
produce the best negative or transparency because it relied on a plastic
cartridge to hold the film flat and at the precise film plane.

Bob Wright

- Original Message -
From: Michael Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: 110 film


> Ive scanned some 110 trannies for a  family member ,otherwise Id have
> said no !
> I Drum scanned at 4000 dpi and we then printed via the epson to around
> 5x4 inches.
> the results were acceptable inasmuch as they provided a memory of an
> occasion,but award winners they were not .
> Perhaps a better way would be to have them printed at a Mini lab,some of
> them must still print 110,then scan the prints.
> I believe the results would be more acceptable.
>
> Just my Euros worth.
> regardsMichael Wilkinson. 106 Holyhead Road,Ketley, Telford.Shropshire
> TF 15 DJ
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  www.infocus-photography.co.uk
> For Trannies and Negs from Digital Files
>
>

Re: filmscanners: Vuescan

[Dale & Gail]

> He may not be announcing new releases on the list.  In other
correspondence he wrote a few days ago "I'm not on this [filmscanner]
mailing list any more - too many off-topic postings."
>
> --
> Bob Shomler


Darn, our lose.

Dale

Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

[Rob Geraghty]

Larry wrote:
>When I was trying to get my monitors to match visually, I scanned the 
>Macbeth Color Checker and made it the wallpaper on both my systems.

Is the colour checker downloadable?

Rob


Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://wordweb.com

Re: filmscanners: Vuescan

[Rob Geraghty]

Bob wrote:
>He may not be announcing new releases on the list.  In other correspondence
>he wrote a few days ago "I'm not on this [filmscanner] mailing list any
>more - too many off-topic postings."

Bummer.  That means he has missed all the postings asking for the grain
removal and cleaning to be separated.

Rob


Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://wordweb.com

Re: filmscanners: Vuescan grain removal idea

[Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.]

Good work, Dean.

Maris

- Original Message -
From: "Shough, Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: filmscanners: Vuescan grain removal idea


| > Maybe Ed or someone else has a better idea about how the Vuescan grain
| > removal option could be expanded and in a practical sense work even
| > better.
| > If you do then please give us your input.
| >
|
| I don't know about VueScan, but I did read through US Patent 5,673,336
which
| seems to be the basis for ROC and  probably lead to the idea for GEM.  One
| of the inventors is Albert Edgar, now with Applied Science Fiction.  The
| basic idea in the patent is that the grain in each layer of color film is
| independent of the other layers.  Thus the grain noise in each color layer
| is independent of the grain noise in the other layers.  This agrees with
| your observation that the grain noise shows up a multi colored noise.
|
| A more technical excerpt of the patent follows:
|
| " ... the present invention corrects for the interaction for the dye
layers
| in the film and the scanner spectral sensitivity as well as correcting for
| the changes in the dye layers in the film with aging.
|
| "The invention is based on the observation that as each dye layer is
| deposited separately in the film, one would expect that the "noise" from
the
| grain boundaries in one layer to be independent from the "noise" due to
the
| grain boundaries in other layers.  If there is correlation in the noise
| between color scans, it is because the scanner is measuring the grain
| boundaries in more than one layer in the color scan.
|
| "To measure the noise, the image and noise must be separated...
|
| "The infrared scan is used to detect imperfections in the film medium
| itself.  As discussed in ... US Pat No, 5,266,805 ...  Unfortunately, in
the
| infrared scan, there can be cross talk from the red sensitive, cyan
forming
| layer which would be identified as defects.  The present invention can be
| used to correct for the red crosstalk in the infrared scan.
|
| "FIG. 5 shows the process by which the correlated noise is separated from
| the scanned image.
|
| "Once the invention has removed the effects (sic) to dye color changes and
| retrieved the pure separate color images, the effects of aging from the
pure
| separate color images can be removed using the changes common to black and
| white images in particular contrast stretch between black and white points
| in the images.  It should be emphasized that applying this contrast
stretch
| works well only after the invention has separated the color records.
|
| "There is virtually nothing above about 40 line pairs per millimeter
spatial
| frequency recorded with today's lenses and film from real world images.
| This cutoff corresponds to a 2000 by 3000 pixel scan of 35 millimeter
film.
| Conversely, the grain noise begins with  flat spectrum and is attenuated
| only at very high frequencies by grain size and dye diffusion as discussed
| above, which have an effect above 100 line pairs per millimeter.
|
| "A practical solution first isolates frequencies around 40 line pairs to
| eliminate those parts of the image in which the energy seen at these high
| frequencies is predominately from grain noise, and prunes out or
emphasizes
| those where the high frequencies also contains image detail.  For example,
a
| sky, a blurred background, ...  Because the noise is a constant across the
| image, a region that contains more high frequencies than elsewhere in the
| image is more active because o image detail...
|
|

Re: filmscanners: Vuescan

[Henry Richardson]

>He may not be announcing new releases on the list.  In other correspondence 
>he wrote a few days ago "I'm not on this [filmscanner] mailing list any 
>more - too many off-topic postings."
>
>--
>Bob Shomler
>http://www.shomler.com/gallery.htm

If it is true that Ed Hamrick is no longer on the list then that is surely a 
sad loss.  I hope that he will return.

In order to not have all the Filmscanner messages go to my regular e-mail 
account I set up a free one at Hotmail that I use for this list.

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Re: filmscanners: Vuescan

[Bob Shomler]

>Either Ed has stopped announcing new releases of Vuescan or not all the mail
>is getting through. Visited his site today and found that version 7.03 is
>now available.
>
>Dale

He may not be announcing new releases on the list.  In other correspondence he wrote a 
few days ago "I'm not on this [filmscanner] mailing list any more - too many off-topic 
postings."

--
Bob Shomler
http://www.shomler.com/gallery.htm

RE: filmscanners: Spritscan 4000 sensor cleaning kit

[Eli Bowen]

Since this link doesn't work (at least not for me and apparently for
lots of other people) here is the entire text of the FAQ that the link
is supposed to take you to:

My SprintScan 4000 scanner cycles continuously when I turn it on. What's
wrong? (Ref. #000321-0074)

  
Description:
 
My SprintScan 4000 scanner continuously repeats the scanning cycle (or
an internal motor is running) when I turn it on. What's wrong?  
  
Solution:
 
The SCSI selector switch on the back of the scanner may be incorrectly
set. Follow these steps to set it correctly:
Turn off your computer.

Turn off your scanner.

Set the SCSI selector switch on the back of the scanner to a value
between 1 and 6. (Do not use values 0, 7, 8, or 9.) Make sure you select
a value that is not being used by any other SCSI device connected your
computer.

Turn on the scanner.

Turn on your computer.
If the SCSI selector switch is not the problem, contact Polaroid
Technical Support and request that a SprintScan 4000 Cleaning Brush
Accessory, part number CPS 546, be sent to you.

For customers in the US, call 1-800-432-5355 (Mon-Fri, 8am to 8pm EST).

For customers outside the US, find the phone number for your local
Polaroid service by clicking here:
http://www.polaroid.com/service/phone.html


-Original Message-
From: John Hayward at Hopco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 6:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: filmscanners: Spritscan 4000 sensor cleaning kit

John:

Try the following URL and go to question #6.

http://www.polaroidwork.com/home/LLframeset.jsp?body=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.po
laro
idwork.com%2Flisting%2FListing.jsp%3FFOLDER%253C%253Efolder_id%3D58263%2
6FOL
DER%253C%253EbrowsePath%3D58263%26ASSORTMENT%253C%253East_id%3D58263%26b
mUID
%3D984362506401

If that doesn't work, seek out the FAQ's under the heading of Online
Assistance at http://www.polaroidwork.com. Or just call the 800 number
if
you are in the USA.

John

Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

[Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.]

I follow what you're suggesting but I'm not sure 
how to test the monitor for whitepoint change.  I believe NVIDIA's 
Detonator 3 driver actually does control gamma though.  Image is 
below.
 
Maris
 

 
 
- Original Message - 
From: "shAf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display 
resolution
| | Maris writes ...| | > And is it really a gamma 
control, or just a contrast or | > brightness control?| > ...| 
| Easily tested ... if it brightens blackpoint, | it is a brightness 
control ... if blackpoint doesn't | change but whitepoint does, it is 
contrast ... | if neither Bp or Wp change, it controls gamma | (... 
altho you can wonder if it is a true gamma | power function ...)| | 
shAf  :o)| | > | > | >| > | > Does the 
Matrox G450 have a setting for changing the | > monitor's gamma?| 
> || > | Yes, but not numerically. It is a WYSISYG control.| > 
|| > | Frank Paris| | 

RE: filmscanners: Vuescan grain removal idea

[Shough, Dean]

> Maybe Ed or someone else has a better idea about how the Vuescan grain 
> removal option could be expanded and in a practical sense work even
> better.  
> If you do then please give us your input.
>

I don't know about VueScan, but I did read through US Patent 5,673,336 which
seems to be the basis for ROC and  probably lead to the idea for GEM.  One
of the inventors is Albert Edgar, now with Applied Science Fiction.  The
basic idea in the patent is that the grain in each layer of color film is
independent of the other layers.  Thus the grain noise in each color layer
is independent of the grain noise in the other layers.  This agrees with
your observation that the grain noise shows up a multi colored noise.

A more technical excerpt of the patent follows:

" ... the present invention corrects for the interaction for the dye layers
in the film and the scanner spectral sensitivity as well as correcting for
the changes in the dye layers in the film with aging.

"The invention is based on the observation that as each dye layer is
deposited separately in the film, one would expect that the "noise" from the
grain boundaries in one layer to be independent from the "noise" due to the
grain boundaries in other layers.  If there is correlation in the noise
between color scans, it is because the scanner is measuring the grain
boundaries in more than one layer in the color scan.

"To measure the noise, the image and noise must be separated...

"The infrared scan is used to detect imperfections in the film medium
itself.  As discussed in ... US Pat No, 5,266,805 ...  Unfortunately, in the
infrared scan, there can be cross talk from the red sensitive, cyan forming
layer which would be identified as defects.  The present invention can be
used to correct for the red crosstalk in the infrared scan.

"FIG. 5 shows the process by which the correlated noise is separated from
the scanned image.

"Once the invention has removed the effects (sic) to dye color changes and
retrieved the pure separate color images, the effects of aging from the pure
separate color images can be removed using the changes common to black and
white images in particular contrast stretch between black and white points
in the images.  It should be emphasized that applying this contrast stretch
works well only after the invention has separated the color records.

"There is virtually nothing above about 40 line pairs per millimeter spatial
frequency recorded with today's lenses and film from real world images.
This cutoff corresponds to a 2000 by 3000 pixel scan of 35 millimeter film.
Conversely, the grain noise begins with  flat spectrum and is attenuated
only at very high frequencies by grain size and dye diffusion as discussed
above, which have an effect above 100 line pairs per millimeter.

"A practical solution first isolates frequencies around 40 line pairs to
eliminate those parts of the image in which the energy seen at these high
frequencies is predominately from grain noise, and prunes out or emphasizes
those where the high frequencies also contains image detail.  For example, a
sky, a blurred background, ...  Because the noise is a constant across the
image, a region that contains more high frequencies than elsewhere in the
image is more active because o image detail...

filmscanners: Vuescan

[Dale & Gail]

Either Ed has stopped announcing new releases of Vuescan or not all the mail
is getting through. Visited his site today and found that version 7.03 is
now available.

Dale

Re: filmscanners: 110 film

[Michael Wilkinson]

Ive scanned some 110 trannies for a  family member ,otherwise Id have
said no !
I Drum scanned at 4000 dpi and we then printed via the epson to around
5x4 inches.
the results were acceptable inasmuch as they provided a memory of an
occasion,but award winners they were not .
Perhaps a better way would be to have them printed at a Mini lab,some of
them must still print 110,then scan the prints.
I believe the results would be more acceptable.

Just my Euros worth.
regardsMichael Wilkinson. 106 Holyhead Road,Ketley, Telford.Shropshire
TF 15 DJ
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  www.infocus-photography.co.uk
For Trannies and Negs from Digital Files

Re: filmscanners: Spritscan 4000 sensor cleaning kit

[Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.]

Looking at it now it won't link:

Cut and paste all seven lines together, deleting any spaces that come up in
between, and it will work fine.

Maris

- Original Message -
From: "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Spritscan 4000 sensor cleaning kit


| Try this way:
|
|

|
| Maris
|
| - Original Message -
| From: "John Hinkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Sent: Sunday, January 10, 1904 4:57 PM
| Subject: Re: filmscanners: Spritscan 4000 sensor cleaning kit
|
|
| | Well, I gave it a try and could not find this article.  Is the link
right?
| |
| |
| | John Hinkey
| | Seattle, WA
| |
| | "Hemingway, David J" wrote:
| | >
| | > Polaroid has found that the load sensor for the film carrier can
| sometimes
| | > collect dust that renders the sensor inoperative.  The scanner may run
| | > continuously. Running continuously can also occur if the scanner is
set
| to
| | > SCSI ID 7 which is a test position and not a fault.
| | > Polaroid has made available, free of charge, a cleaning brush kit that
| | > cleans this sensor. For customers in the US, call 1-800-432-5355
| (Mon-Fri,
| | > 8am to 8pm EST). Ask for a SprintScan 4000 Cleaning Brush Accessory,
| part
| | > number CPS 546
| | > The link below should take you to the article.
| | > Thanks
| | > David
| | >
| | > -
| | >
| | >
|
http://www.polaroidwork.com/home/LLframeset.jsp?body=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.polaro
| | >
|
idwork.com%2Flisting%2FListing.jsp%3FFOLDER%253C%253Efolder_id%3D58263%26FOL
| | >
|
DER%253C%253EbrowsePath%3D58263%26ASSORTMENT%253C%253East_id%3D58263%26bmUID
| | > %3D984362506401
|
|

RE: filmscanners: Problems with my monitor and graphics card

[Laurie Solomon]

>Maybe I can finally get some work done today.

Now you really did not want to do that did you? :-)

Shipping and reshipping these large monitors can be a real pain in the but
as well as expensive.  I have had my share of monitors going bad and needing
to be shipped back under warranty to know that there are times when, despite
the packaging, the shipping process alone can damage the phosphors in a
monitor.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry Berman
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: filmscanners: Problems with my monitor and graphics card


Trials of a new OS and related defective hardware.

I've been fighting to try and get my monitors to match for the past week.
We'll my problem finally met it's match I received the spyder and
Optical software today and tried to calibrate my new Win2K 21inch
Trinitron. It seems that I was right all along. The monitor is defective.
It saw the grey logo as purple and the tech support at ColorVision told me
to send the monitor back. It seems that it wasn't supposed to have any
color, only shades of gray.

In addition I also received a 19 inch Trinitron that I had ordered as my
second monitor (on the Matrox G450 card) and the colors, out of the box,
blew away both 21 inch monitors. They are now going back for replacements.

To complicate things even more, as soon as I hooked up the 19 inch along
side the 21 inch, the 21 inch (number 1 monitor) went to 16 color (might
have been 256 color), even though it said 32 bit color in the properties
box. I spent an hour on the phone with Matrox support and they are sending
me a new G450 card tomorrow.

All in all, I now have a great looking 19 inch single monitor on my new
Win2K dual monitor system. Maybe I can finally get some work done today.

Larry




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RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

[shAf]

Maris writes ...

> And is it really a gamma control, or just a contrast or 
> brightness control?
> ...

Easily tested ... if it brightens blackpoint, 
it is a brightness control ... if blackpoint doesn't 
change but whitepoint does, it is contrast ... 
if neither Bp or Wp change, it controls gamma 
(... altho you can wonder if it is a true gamma 
power function ...)

shAf  :o)

> 
> | >
> | > Does the Matrox G450 have a setting for changing the 
> monitor's gamma?
> |
> | Yes, but not numerically. It is a WYSISYG control.
> |
> | Frank Paris

 

Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

[Larry Berman]

When I was trying to get my monitors to match visually, I scanned the 
Macbeth Color Checker and made it the wallpaper on both my systems. It made 
it easy to see at a glance how far off they were to each other.

It also made for an interesting visual effect when someone first walked 
into the room and was confronted with four monitors containing the same 
blocks of color.

Any thoughts on the concept of using it for a visual comparison???


I posted this twice, as did Frank.

The Matrox G450, with the latest drivers, now supports dual monitors at 
independent resolution on Win2k. It has always supported dual monitor 
independent resolution on Win98.

Larry


>I'm in the market for a dual-monitor card but I like my NVIDIA TNT with the
>new Detonator 3 driver which has the numerical gamma - that is the feature
>that has allowed me to match my monitor to my print without software other
>than Corel's "Color Wizard" which is essentially a screen-matching exercise.
>I just tried out the ATI Radeon VE but no gamma control so it's going back.
>Since I don't have an extra slot available it's either the Matrox G450 which
>is better rated, or the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX which uses the Detonator 3 driver
>but doesn't allow independent screen resolutions for my new 19" Trinitron
>and my old Dell SVGA 14 or 15" (unless anyone knows of any others on the
>market for a PC?)


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Re: filmscanners: Problems with my monitor and graphics card

[Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.]

I feel your pain.

Maris

- Original Message -
From: "Larry Berman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:52 PM
Subject: filmscanners: Problems with my monitor and graphics card


| Trials of a new OS and related defective hardware.
|
| I've been fighting to try and get my monitors to match for the past week.
| We'll my problem finally met it's match I received the spyder and
| Optical software today and tried to calibrate my new Win2K 21inch
| Trinitron. It seems that I was right all along. The monitor is defective.
| It saw the grey logo as purple and the tech support at ColorVision told me
| to send the monitor back. It seems that it wasn't supposed to have any
| color, only shades of gray.
|
| In addition I also received a 19 inch Trinitron that I had ordered as my
| second monitor (on the Matrox G450 card) and the colors, out of the box,
| blew away both 21 inch monitors. They are now going back for replacements.
|
| To complicate things even more, as soon as I hooked up the 19 inch along
| side the 21 inch, the 21 inch (number 1 monitor) went to 16 color (might
| have been 256 color), even though it said 32 bit color in the properties
| box. I spent an hour on the phone with Matrox support and they are sending
| me a new G450 card tomorrow.
|
| All in all, I now have a great looking 19 inch single monitor on my new
| Win2K dual monitor system. Maybe I can finally get some work done today.
|
| Larry
|
|
|
|
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Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

[Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.]

And is it really a gamma control, or just a contrast or brightness control?

I'm in the market for a dual-monitor card but I like my NVIDIA TNT with the
new Detonator 3 driver which has the numerical gamma - that is the feature
that has allowed me to match my monitor to my print without software other
than Corel's "Color Wizard" which is essentially a screen-matching exercise.
I just tried out the ATI Radeon VE but no gamma control so it's going back.
Since I don't have an extra slot available it's either the Matrox G450 which
is better rated, or the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX which uses the Detonator 3 driver
but doesn't allow independent screen resolutions for my new 19" Trinitron
and my old Dell SVGA 14 or 15" (unless anyone knows of any others on the
market for a PC?)

Maris

- Original Message -
From: "Frank Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution


| > -Original Message-
| > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Maris V. Lidaka,
| > Sr.
| > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 5:14 PM
| > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > Subject: Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution
| >
| >
| >
| > Does the Matrox G450 have a setting for changing the monitor's gamma?
|
| Yes, but not numerically. It is a WYSISYG control.
|
| Frank Paris
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684
|

Re: filmscanners: Spritscan 4000 sensor cleaning kit

[Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.]

Try this way:



Maris

- Original Message -
From: "John Hinkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 1904 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Spritscan 4000 sensor cleaning kit


| Well, I gave it a try and could not find this article.  Is the link right?
|
|
| John Hinkey
| Seattle, WA
|
| "Hemingway, David J" wrote:
| >
| > Polaroid has found that the load sensor for the film carrier can
sometimes
| > collect dust that renders the sensor inoperative.  The scanner may run
| > continuously. Running continuously can also occur if the scanner is set
to
| > SCSI ID 7 which is a test position and not a fault.
| > Polaroid has made available, free of charge, a cleaning brush kit that
| > cleans this sensor. For customers in the US, call 1-800-432-5355
(Mon-Fri,
| > 8am to 8pm EST). Ask for a SprintScan 4000 Cleaning Brush Accessory,
part
| > number CPS 546
| > The link below should take you to the article.
| > Thanks
| > David
| >
| > -
| >
| >
http://www.polaroidwork.com/home/LLframeset.jsp?body=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.polaro
| >
idwork.com%2Flisting%2FListing.jsp%3FFOLDER%253C%253Efolder_id%3D58263%26FOL
| >
DER%253C%253EbrowsePath%3D58263%26ASSORTMENT%253C%253East_id%3D58263%26bmUID
| > %3D984362506401

filmscanners: Vuescan grain removal idea

[Henry Richardson]

I was going to send this message just to Ed Hamrick, but then I thought 
people on this list might have comments.

I was looking forward to Ed's implementation of grain removal in Vuescan, 
but unfortunately it softens the image too much so I rarely use it.  I use a 
Minolta Scan Elite that has an infrared channel so cleaning without grain 
removal (Clean set to Light) does not soften the image.

Here are two cropped sections of just the sky from a 2820 dpi scan of a Fuji 
ISO 100 color negative.  One has been sharpened with unsharp mask and one 
has not.  They both have minimal JPEG compression.  As you can see, it is 
not just the grainy appearance but the multi-colored character of the grain 
that makes it very ugly.

http://www.geocities.com/hr1066/sky-grain.htm

I have few grain problems with slide film, but color negative film is 
another story.  I often get grain aliasing in the sky but other areas of the 
image rarely have much of a grain aliasing problem.  I'm not sure why this 
is so, but it has been my pretty consistent experience.  Even stranger, even 
other highlight areas don't exhibit the problem.  It is mostly just the sky 
-- blue, cloudy, or overcast doesn't matter.  My guess is it takes a 
combination of a fairly light area plus some  amount of blue.  I have tried 
exposing the sky from -1 to +3 stops to see if that makes a difference in 
scanning.  It doesn't seem to help with the sky grain aliasing problem 
though.  I have also tried from 1 to 8 multi-scan passes in Vuescan, but 
that also does not improve the sky grain aliasing.

I wonder if Vuescan could have a grain removal option that would only work 
on the highlight areas of the image or something like that?  Reducing the 
ugly grain aliasing from the sky without softening the rest of the image 
might get a lot closer to solving the problem, as I see it.

By the way, before anyone suggests selecting the sky and doing a Gaussian 
blur, blurring only the blue channel, sharpening only the luminance channel, 
using PSP's Edge Preserving Smooth filter, or some other technique I want 
you to know that I know about them and have used them from time to time.  
Sometimes the result is satisfactory and sometimes it isn't.  Sometimes it 
is very difficult to get a good selection of the sky because of tree 
branches, leaves, and other numerous small details.  Since Ed has said that 
the grain removal algorithm in Vuescan examines the individual grains in 
some way to do it's work it probably can do a better job anyway.  If there 
was an option to restrict it's work to only the highlights or highlights 
with some blue or something else that might help with the sky and not soften 
the whole image then that would make it much more useful.

Maybe Ed or someone else has a better idea about how the Vuescan grain 
removal option could be expanded and in a practical sense work even better.  
If you do then please give us your input.

Henry Richardson
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RE: filmscanners: New Nikon Scanner pricing in the UK (LS-40, LS-4000)

[Cooke, Julie]

Is 
that excluding VAT? Their website now lists both prices for it's products but no 
mention of the new Nikon scanners (www.cpw.uk.com). Do you know how much the 
LS-8000 is going for?
 
Thanks
 
Julie

  -Original Message-From: Pete Cutter 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:02 
  PMTo: scanSubject: filmscanners: New Nikon Scanner 
  pricing in the UK (LS-40, LS-4000)
  Hi,
   
  if anyone is interested in buying one of the new 
  Nikon scanner range, I received a brochure from CPW (Colchester Photographic) 
  at the weekend, and they are quoting the following prices:
   
  LS-40 ED: £510
   
  LS-4000 ED: £1020
   
  If you want to pick up an LS-30 they are now 
  selling for £397 inc. SCSI
   
  I am thinking of going for the LS-40 myself, with 
  Vuescan of course. Anyone want to buy my HP Photosmart S20?!
   
  Cheers
  Pete  

filmscanners: 110 negs, revisited

[Lynn Allen]

The discussion on 110/16mm negs fascinates me. Rather than speculate
further, I dug out some of my 110 negs and tried to lay them in my own Acer
film-carrier, stacked 1 above the other.

I don't know about the rest of you, but my 110 negs are decidedly bowed on
the horizontal axis. Result: they don't want to lay flat in there at all
(and, as I figured, do not line up well with the vertical posts)--they
weren't the least bit cooperative. With ends flapping around on 1 or both
sides (mine were cut in 5" strips at the lab), there's *no way* I'm going to
put them into a closed scanner--I can see the feeder-jam as if it had
already happened!

So it's back to square 1--the 2x2 slide adapter or the cludge. I'm thinking
2 pieces of thin, rigid clear plastic (for the Acer--I don't know what other
carriers look like), but there's no way to get that into a Scanwit
film-carrier without some major modification. The slide-carrier would handle
it (just as it does slide stock), but again with major modifications.

I'm shocked and amazed that, given the onetime popularity of 110 and
Minox-type miniature cameras, that  scanner company doesn't have a
readily-available carrier for those films. I suggest calling/emailing all
the companies that fit your optical requirements and trying to "nail their
foot to the floor" about miniature formats. :-)

Best regards, and good luck--LRA


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RE: filmscanners: Spritscan 4000 sensor cleaning kit

[John Hayward at Hopco]

John:

Try the following URL and go to question #6.

http://www.polaroidwork.com/home/LLframeset.jsp?body=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.polaro
idwork.com%2Flisting%2FListing.jsp%3FFOLDER%253C%253Efolder_id%3D58263%26FOL
DER%253C%253EbrowsePath%3D58263%26ASSORTMENT%253C%253East_id%3D58263%26bmUID
%3D984362506401

If that doesn't work, seek out the FAQ's under the heading of Online
Assistance at http://www.polaroidwork.com. Or just call the 800 number if
you are in the USA.

John

  > -Original Message-
  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Hinkey
  > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 1904 5:58 PM
  > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  > Subject: Re: filmscanners: Spritscan 4000 sensor cleaning kit
  >
  >
  > Well, I gave it a try and could not find this article.  Is the
  > link right?
  >
  >
  > John Hinkey
  > Seattle, WA
  >
  > "Hemingway, David J" wrote:
  > >
  > > Polaroid has found that the load sensor for the film carrier
  > can sometimes
  > > collect dust that renders the sensor inoperative.  The scanner may run
  > > continuously. Running continuously can also occur if the
  > scanner is set to
  > > SCSI ID 7 which is a test position and not a fault.
  > > Polaroid has made available, free of charge, a cleaning brush kit that
  > > cleans this sensor. For customers in the US, call
  > 1-800-432-5355 (Mon-Fri,
  > > 8am to 8pm EST). Ask for a SprintScan 4000 Cleaning Brush
  > Accessory, part
  > > number CPS 546
  > > The link below should take you to the article.
  > > Thanks
  > > David
  > >
  > > -
  > >
  > >
  > http://www.polaroidwork.com/home/LLframeset.jsp?body=http%3A%2F%
  > 2Fwww.polaro
  > >
  > idwork.com%2Flisting%2FListing.jsp%3FFOLDER%253C%253Efolder_id%3
  > D58263%26FOL
  > >
  > DER%253C%253EbrowsePath%3D58263%26ASSORTMENT%253C%253East_id%3D5
  > 8263%26bmUID
  > > %3D984362506401
  >

filmscanners: Re: I won't touch those glasses !

[Ezio]

OK !

I won't touch it ! by any meaning.

I will wait till new advices.

Sincerely.

Ezio

www.lucenti.com  e-photography site


- Original Message -
From: "Michael Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: cleaning neg's, sharpening


> Ezio : In case you missed my earlier posts DO NOT TOUCH THAT
EMULSION... it
> was made and developed long before hardening fixers were used... the
compressed
> air could blow it off the plate, the cotton will almost certainly scrape
it.. if
> you feel you must, try your cleaning on a plate that you can aford to
lose...
> This from my earlier post
>
> Ezio: I just did a little checking on Google the search engine
(www.google.com)
> under the term "glass plate photographic preservation". I got a lot of
> references... this is one of them that sums up what most of the other say
in
> regard to storage and
> handlinghttp://slisweb.lis.wisc.edu/~hamuir/678/glass.html
>
>
>
> Ezio wrote:
>
> > Oh ! Friends ... I am Italian  and thus my family and myself ...
> > everybody is drinking carbonated water either industrial either home
made
> > (I've got all the equipements to inject CO2).
> > I have also a micron filter carbon filter active ... to remove all the
stuff
> > provided by the public water agencies i.e. clorine, atrazine, ddt etc.
etc.
> > etc. the water in my house is treated through system to remove any
> > particular part of CaCO (Carbonated Calcium) producing those white rocks
> > inside the pipes and inside some kidneys ...
> >
> > I was thinking to use truly distilled water and demineralized.
> >
> > Then I saw many doubts rising ... following your advices and I am
thinking
> > to use compressed air and very soft material (cotton)  only .
> >
> > I am scared to see the emulsion/gelatine melting down under the action
of
> > water ...
> >
> > Sincerely.
> >
> > Ezio
> >
> > www.lucenti.com  e-photography site
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Arthur Entlich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 8:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: filmscanners: cleaning neg's, sharpening
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark Thomas wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just a couple of quick comments..
> > > >
> > > > 1. Cleaning neg's with water
> > > > Bear in mind that if you use anything but 'unexposed' distilled
water as
> > > > a cleaning agent, you are in fact using carbonic acid..!
> > > > I used to work in a oceanographic lab, and while checking the pH
levels
> > > > of a distilled water producer, I was surprised to discover how
acidic
> > > > the 'pure' water was.  The resident chemist gently explained that
H20,
> > > > when exposed to air, absorbs CO2 and degrades quite quickly to a
> > > > carbonic acid solution, of about pH 5.0-5.5 I think. (I'm flying by
> > > > memory here - any chemists on the list feel free to correct..)
> > > >
> > > > Keep that in mind if considering water for cleaning fragile items!!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, I think he was giving you a bit of a jest.  As you probably
know,
> > > water is supposed to be neutral, or pH 7.  Drinking water, at least
here
> > > in Canada, cannot be beyond pH 6.5 (it can go alkaline to 8.5).
> > > Although it is true that water does absorb minimal amounts of CO2, the
> > > pH is not likely to vary much, and the amount of acidity is minimal.
> > > However, if you live in an area with severe acid rains, it could get
as
> > > acidic as a tomato, but this is due to the rain going through sulfur
> > > dioxide and becoming sulfuric acid when the rain goes through it.  If
> > > your water to begin with is fairly neutral, the amount of CO2
absorption
> > > to standing water will not do much... if it did, most fish could not
> > > survive in it.  Soda pop is created by bubbling CO2 through cold water
> > > and it has to be kept under pressure in order to keep it there.
> > >
> > > Art
> > >
>

Re: filmscanners: Spritscan 4000 sensor cleaning kit

[John Hinkey]

Well, I gave it a try and could not find this article.  Is the link right?


John Hinkey
Seattle, WA

"Hemingway, David J" wrote:
> 
> Polaroid has found that the load sensor for the film carrier can sometimes
> collect dust that renders the sensor inoperative.  The scanner may run
> continuously. Running continuously can also occur if the scanner is set to
> SCSI ID 7 which is a test position and not a fault.
> Polaroid has made available, free of charge, a cleaning brush kit that
> cleans this sensor. For customers in the US, call 1-800-432-5355 (Mon-Fri,
> 8am to 8pm EST). Ask for a SprintScan 4000 Cleaning Brush Accessory, part
> number CPS 546
> The link below should take you to the article.
> Thanks
> David
> 
> -
> 
> http://www.polaroidwork.com/home/LLframeset.jsp?body=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.polaro
> idwork.com%2Flisting%2FListing.jsp%3FFOLDER%253C%253Efolder_id%3D58263%26FOL
> DER%253C%253EbrowsePath%3D58263%26ASSORTMENT%253C%253East_id%3D58263%26bmUID
> %3D984362506401