Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol font
At 10:05 PM +0200 6/02/03, Klaaschello wrote: That would be ridiculous, wouldn't it, being able to place it only once! You can use it a thousand times, without 'incomprehensible moving around' by using metatools, a important subject in the manual. Good luck, Klasius. Hmm, not in my manual. (FinMac 2003) Very strange, you really must be overlooking something. Anyway: metatools is in 27-2 or in repeat tools, 23-2 Metatool are of course in the manual. What is not in my manual is any mention that entering a repeat sign with a metatool will prevent it from moving around. BUT! In the meantime I must admit that I spoke to early. When using metatools in other tools you see that indeed the item is duplicated over and over again. Once again, not in my version of Finale (Mac 2003), except for shape expressions. No such thing happens with repeat metatools. I've been thinking this over a while and reluctantly I must say this makes some sense. You can expect dynamics and articulations to be used quite more than once in a piece, but text repeat signs like we're referring to, most of the times only once. Except of course, for the coda sign (target) and segno ($), which must be used twice, once at the end of a measure and once at the beginning of another measure. When needed more often, in larger compositions with more separate parts, the needed duplication must be done by the user, albeit that I would probably choose to use different documents . You will see that the separate expressions will behave as wanted. As wanted? Not as I want, which is to have them stay where I put them. Try this test: In the Repeat Tool, press S and click on Measure 2 of a blank document. Try to aim right for the default whole rest, to see how it gets placed. Does the variable box fill up with S's? This is not what *I* want. Press OK. Does the sign show up anywhere NEAR where you clicked? In my file it shows up higher and to the left. This is not what I want, either. Now hold down the C (for the Coda target) and enter it in another measure. Aim for the default whole rest again. Now the blamed thing shows up IN the measure! On two successive tries it showed up at the end of the measure, and then right where I clicked. I can't figure out what makes it behave differently each time. No question of repeating assignments here, as they are two different markings. I regard it as similar to the situation where you would want to use a textblock twice. You can't just choose that same textblock again, but you would just copy the content, wouldn't you, and place in a newly created block of it's own. At least Text block stay where you put them. I would say that Finale should warn the user that when he wants to use a particular expression more than once, he should make duplicates. Hope this helps, Klasius. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol font
From: Christopher BJ Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:37:58 -0400 To: Klaaschello [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stan Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED], finale list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol font At 8:38 PM +0200 6/01/03, Klaaschello wrote: From: Christopher BJ Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] You've probably noticed that when you enter the segno from the repeat tool that you can only place it once, and never outside the barline without major incomprehnsible moving around... That would be ridiculous, wouldn't it, being able to place it only once! You can use it a thousand times, without 'incomprehensible moving around' by using metatools, a important subject in the manual. Good luck, Klasius. Hmm, not in my manual. (FinMac 2003) Very strange, you really must be overlooking something. Anyway: metatools is in 27-2 or in repeat tools, 23-2 BUT! In the meantime I must admit that I spoke to early. When using metatools in other tools you see that indeed the item is duplicated over and over again. No such thing happens with repeat metatools. I've been thinking this over a while and reluctantly I must say this makes some sense. You can expect dynamics and articulations to be used quite more than once in a piece, but text repeat signs like we're referring to, most of the times only once. When needed more often, in larger compositions with more separate parts, the needed duplication must be done by the user, albeit that I would probably choose to use different documents . You will see that the separate expressions will behave as wanted. I regard it as similar to the situation where you would want to use a textblock twice. You can't just choose that same textblock again, but you would just copy the content, wouldn't you, and place in a newly created block of it's own. I would say that Finale should warn the user that when he wants to use a particular expression more than once, he should make duplicates. Hope this helps, Klasius. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol font
At 11:30 AM +0100 6/01/03, Stan Lord wrote: What font do people find best for imputting chords? I've been using Times + musical Roman. I hate everything I've seen so far, but I use the Jazz Font, and its text items are very sloppy and thick. I've made a personal library using Dom Regular for some of the suffix items, which is more readable, but takes a lot of space. And how do people cope with repeat marking such as D.S. al Coda - then the segno sign You've probably noticed that when you enter the segno from the repeat tool that you can only place it once, and never outside the barline without major incomprehnsible moving around. For this reason, I created all these items in the Measure Expression tool, where they don't play back, but at least they stay where I put them. You have to use two different expressions, since you can't mix fonts in Measure Expressions (yet!) and similarly To Coda - then the hot cross bun sign ? Same idea as above. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol font
The Text tool allows mixed fonts and could be used for this purpose. However, the baseline would be the same for both the text and the symbol, and in the case of the symbols that often is not as desirable a look. (Sometimes the expression looks better if its baseline is somewhat below the baseline of the text.) If you use this method, finish your layout so that measures are unlikely to move. Double-click where you want the expression. Type the text (choose font and size, of course). While the editing area still is active, select Maestro 24 for the font and size. Type the keystroke for the desired symbol. Click outside the editing window and you have your expression. You also could use the Shape Designer to create such an expression. Choose the Expression tool. Double-click on a measure or note where you want the expression. Click Create - Select - Create. You're now in the Shape Designer. Select the Text tool. Choose Font... from the menu. Select whatever you want for To Coda Select the size. Type the words. Click the pointer elsewhere in the box. Select Font... again. Choose Maestro. Set the size to 24. Type the keystroke for the symbol you want. Click the Pointer tool. Click on the symbol and move it next to the text, aligning it to the baseline however desired. Click OK-Select-OK-Select. Make the decisions needed re measure or note expression. Click OK. You'll now see the expression on the score you just created. Since it's a Shape expression, it does have playback programmability but probably not anything you need for it to do. It also has the advantage of being able to be entered with a metatool, in case you create something you'll use several places. --Richard Huggins From: Stan Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for all the replies. What I would like to do is to is to imput D.S. al Coda - then the segno sign and To Coda - then the hot cross bun sign in one expression - as opposed to two expessions. With Maestro and Engraver font(etc.) the segno and hot cross bun and there but normal text is not included. Hence two expressions needed. Does anyone manage to do this (cope with it) using one font? It can be done with Golden Age text font but this ia a handwriting font and not (for me) satisfactory. Stan Lord London ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol font
You can create just what you want using the shape expressions -- in the shape designer you can mix fonts. Stan Lord wrote: Thanks for all the replies. What I would like to do is to is to imput D.S. al Coda - then the segno sign and To Coda - then the hot cross bun sign in one expression - as opposed to two expessions. With Maestro and Engraver font(etc.) the segno and hot cross bun and there but normal text is not included. Hence two expressions needed. Does anyone manage to do this (cope with it) using one font? It can be done with Golden Age text font but this ia a handwriting font and not (for me) satisfactory. Stan Lord London I use Helvetica for chords, because I prefer a sans-serif font for a cleaner look. I didn't quite understand your use of the word cope.were you asking how to input those, what font to use...?? The Coda symbol and the segno symbol are in the font and are accessed with the repeat tool. If you can explain your question a little better maybe I can answer it better. Richard Huggins Tyler, Texas From: Stan Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:30:22 +0100 To: finale list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] Chord Symbol font What font do people find best for imputting chords? I've been using Times + musical Roman. And how do people cope with repeat marking such as D.S. al Coda - then the segno sign and similarly To Coda - then the hot cross bun sign ? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale . -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol font
Well, dang...I just never noticed that feature. But you're exactly right--it can be done for only a single portion (whatever is highlighted) of the string of text in text created with the text tool. It doesn't have to be a complete word; even one character of a word can be moved--whatever is highlighted. Positive numbers move the highlighted part up, negative ones down. Interesting feature. Thanks, Noel. --Richard From: Noel Stoutenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, unless I misinterpret what Richard wrote, I must note that it is possible to shift the basline for one or more characters in a text expression either up or down, by using the shift baselines option in the pull-down menu activated by the text option on the main menu bar. ns ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol font
At 8:38 PM +0200 6/01/03, Klaaschello wrote: From: Christopher BJ Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] You've probably noticed that when you enter the segno from the repeat tool that you can only place it once, and never outside the barline without major incomprehnsible moving around... That would be ridiculous, wouldn't it, being able to place it only once! You can use it a thousand times, without 'incomprehensible moving around' by using metatools, a important subject in the manual. Good luck, Klasius. Hmm, not in my manual. (FinMac 2003) I gave it another try, just in case the default behaviour has changed in 2003, which it has, but alas, it is still unpredictable. in the repeat Tool I typed shift-S to assign the $ sign to metatool S. When the selection box opened up I saw it was already assigned to S, so much the better, but I clicked it again to be safe, and OKed. In the score I pressed S and clicked on the Measure 2. The Repeat dialogue box opened up, and I wasn't quick enough on the release to avoid typing several S's into the first variable box. After several tries, I got quick enough to only type one S into that box, but never succeeded in avoiding it completely. No matter, I deleted them and hit OK, as I didn't care about playback. The $ showed up, above the staff (I had clicked IN the staff) but so far to the left that it looked like it was attached to middle of measure 1. Hitting command-D to redraw had no effect. I tried this several times, with variable results that I could not attach any reason to. Sometimes it would show up where I clicked, sometimes far to the left. Changing measures yielded the same unpredictable results. Now to bar 20. I pressed S and clicked near the end of the measure, and suddenly the sign I had left placed to the left of measure 2 jumped to the right, almost to the beginning of measure 2. The new one showed up where I had clicked, in the staff, and I had to move it manually up. I tried this several times, and couldn't seem to get any rhyme or reason to the move, except often the first sign I entered showed up too far left, then jumped back when I entered another one. They DID seem to stay put after manual adjusting, except for the first one, which only stayed put AFTER its initial jump, regardless of whether or not I had manually moved it before. By the way, the behaviour seems to be identical in manually (non-Metatool) placed repeats, which means that the once-only placement behaviour I was complaining about is no longer true. But this strange bopping around... I can't deal with it. Oops, I just tried again. I noticed a new odd behaviour. When I enter a third one, the SECOND one jumps to the right. When I enter a fourth one, the first two move up about a stave's height. This is just too weird for me. I'm sticking with measure expressions. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol font
Those are in the Maestro or Engraver or Petrucci or Jazz fonts. Stan Lord wrote: What font do people find best for imputting chords? I've been using Times + musical Roman. And how do people cope with repeat marking such as D.S. al Coda - then the segno sign and similarly To Coda - then the hot cross bun sign ? Stan Lord London ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale . -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
