[Finale] Re: Alto Clefs
The clefs you use depend on the intentions of your edition. Is it for general players, who may not be able to cope with anything other than standard clefs, or is it for period instrument specialists, who should be capable of playing from the original clefs? Or perhaps it is intended as a critical edition, for study and not necessarily for performance, in which case the use of the transposing treble clef (sounding an octave lower) would be best. If the part alternates between soprano and tenor clef, is it a viola bastarda type part? If so, it would be reasonable to use two clefs to avoid too many ledger lines. Additionally, the term violetta does not necessarily mean a small viola. In Castello's Sonate Concertate (1629) the violetta would appear to be a large viola, or rather a small bass viola (today usually given the misleading name of tenor violin). These parts are labelled 'trombone overo violetta' and are generally in the tenor clef with a tessitura not descending below G (bottom line of the bass clef) although there is infuriatingly one sonata which goes down to D below this. Michael Lawlor Thanks, John, for your answer. But I'm afraid there's a misunderstanding, entirely my fault, because I stupidly used the French word for viola (alto), which made it uncomprehensible! So let me repeat my question. I have an instrumental part for violetta da brazzo, which seems (according to recent research) to be a viola. This viola part is written alternatively in C4 and C1 clefs. So my question is what should I do in a modern edition. Put it all in C3, or alternate between C3 and G2? In other words, how many ledger lines are acceptable for a violist? And do viola parts use occasionally G2 (I know the normal viola clef is C3). Thanks, and apologies. Up to 4 ledger lines (or 5 extra spaces) is quite readable for violists in C3 clef (and covers the notes in 3rd position). Many arrangers (moreso than composers) switch clefs much too often in viola parts, making it harder to read rather than easier. Make a quick judgement about the tessitura (rather than just the range) of the part and then use either C3 or G2 (yes, we have to, and do, read treble clef), but with as little switching as is practical. The word violetta is generally thought to mean a smaller viola, playing a part a bit higher than the larger viola, in typical 5-part 17th century scoring. It could also mean a regular viola with a part for tenor violin, tuned an octave below the violin, below it. But the important factor is that it will probably be played by a violist today, so pick the clef to keep a violist happy. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OPTIMIZING staff system
OK, I've had this problem before, but I can't remember how I solved it. Maybe you guys can help. No matter what I do, the piano part will not optimize into one staff at any point. I have checked in Edit Group Attributes and made sure it is set on Optimize Staves Normally (although after trying to optimize a few times, it reverts back to Only Remove When All Staves Are Empty). I have made there are no entries in the blank staff in the systems I'm trying to optimize. I've checked in the Staff Systems attributes to make sure both staves have Allow Optimization checked. Any ideas? All the best, KIM Richmond ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OPTIMIZING staff system
Kim Richmond wrote: OK, I've had this problem before, but I can't remember how I solved it. Maybe you guys can help. No matter what I do, the piano part will not optimize into one staff at any point. I have checked in Edit Group Attributes and made sure it is set on Optimize Staves Normally (although after trying to optimize a few times, it reverts back to Only Remove When All Staves Are Empty). I have made there are no entries in the blank staff in the systems I'm trying to optimize. I've checked in the Staff Systems attributes to make sure both staves have Allow Optimization checked. Any ideas? All the best, Do you have any real whole rests? These are created when you enter a whole note and backspace to convert to a rest, in Speedy Entry, or simply entered as a rest by clicking in Simple entry. If there are any of these (they look just like the whole rests inserted into empty measures by the program) the staff won't be optimized out. If the staff is supposed to be truly empty, you can simply use mass mover to highlight the measures in question and then clear everything. But if there is anything attached to those specific measures you can't remove that staff from that system. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OPTIMIZING staff system
On Oct 11, 2004, at 3:44 AM, Kim Richmond wrote: OK, I've had this problem before, but I can't remember how I solved it. Maybe you guys can help. No matter what I do, the piano part will not optimize into one staff at any point. I have checked in Edit Group Attributes and made sure it is set on Optimize Staves Normally (although after trying to optimize a few times, it reverts back to Only Remove When All Staves Are Empty). I have made there are no entries in the blank staff in the systems I'm trying to optimize. I've checked in the Staff Systems attributes to make sure both staves have Allow Optimization checked. Any ideas? All the best, KIM Richmond If you have already tried optimising, you will have to REMOVE optimisation before the Group Attributes can be changed. Then go back and optimise again. I don't why it works like this. It just does. This little tidbit cost me several hours a year or two ago. Grr. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MAC and GPO/Finale playback
Jerry-- Go into MIDI Setup again. For Channels 9-16 (GPO #2), Hold down the shift key while clicking on the pop-up for Channels 1-16 and choose GPO Studio:2. Now, the pop-up should show you GPO studio:1, GPO Studio 2. You can choose up to 4 instruments per channel set. For the life of me (before coffee anyways) I can¹t remember how to get channels 17+. Another good resource for GPO is their user forum (Gary Garritan frequently contributes and is an all around great guy.) Hope this helps, Allen On 10/8/04 4:04 PM, gj.berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Thanx all. Speaker was not off. Done that Vincent. FIN 2005 - well no sooner said than done. I ordered it yesterday and it arrived not 5 minutes after reading Darcy's note -- cross border and all ---very impressive. Good to know about HP Allen. I will try Mac support next. I now have sound from No. 1 kontakt player but can't get #2 on up to sound. It may have to do with proper channel assignment but I can't figure where I've gone wrong. Still trying for midi channel 9. For some reason when I play Midi 9 Instance #2 solo I can still see midi 8 Instance #1 playing on its keyboard One more thing is I can't find numeral equivalents for channels 17-64 in the midi assignment flip down menu on GPO. Now I imagine there is something automatic to flip but I can't see what it is. Any feedback is appreciated but otherwise I'll flip to Mac support. Jerry Allen Fisher wrote: Not quite correct. Support for the way GPO creates volume changes was added to Human Playback in Finale 2005. In 2k4, you can still use GPO, just HP will not interpret the volume controller correctly. There's a fair number of Finale users that use 2k4 with GPO. Gerald--A couple of our tech support guys is really hip to GPO. You should drop macsupport a line if my suggestions don't fix it. 1. Make sure Internal Speaker Playback is OFF. 2. Make sure you have the GPO STUDIO application installed. You can download the latest version at www.garritan.com http://www.garritan.com (sounds like you've done this) 3. Make sure that the channels match in the instrument list to what you've selected in GPO (sounds like you've done this, too) 4. Did you choose channels in the GPO studio? These are the most common things I've run into when GPO isn't working On 10/8/04 12:40 PM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gerald, As far as I know, GPO compatibility was a new feature added to Finale *2005*. So that might be your first problem. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 08 Oct 2004, at 01:39 PM, gj.berg wrote: Hi Well I'm very confused. I'm trying to test my new computer to see if it can play a score of mine via the GPO orchestra. 1.) I boot the GPO studio and set up an 'instance' (which the kontakt virtual keyboard allows me to hear). 2.) I boot Fin 2004 and load my score. In the midi set up (in FIN) under 'Core Midi' I organize play output for the first 4 GPO players. Input is none. 3.) I set up the correct midi channels in the 'instrument list' window. Patch stuff is turned off. 4.) I hit playback. It comes out chaos. But I notice that if I set the GM portion to the corresponding instrument it will play that. Only it doesn't sound like the GPO sound. It's some other sound. Where'd it come from? I've never used the GM side of things -- I'd prefer to keep it that way. Finale help is most unhelpful in this regard. Could somebody please point me in the right direction. Thanks in advance Gerald Berg ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Oct 10, 2004, at 8:30 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: I've uploaded my bracket library to http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip for anyone who's interested. It's not a perfect solution either, but it works well for me. The brackets are set to automatically position themselves horizontally. When applying a bracket, click on the *bottom* note of the double stop; you may need to nudge the artic a little bit to get it vertically correct. If the double stop has accidentals, you will also need to nudge the artic horizontally. Feel free to alter/distribute. Aaron. Aaron, I get a Page not found error from your URL. I can edit the URL to get as far as your home page (very nice!) but files.aaron.sherber.com lets me know that there is no browsing on this page. Are you certain of the accuracy of the address? Thanks for the post. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
At 08:44 AM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: I get a Page not found error from your URL. My bad -- I uploaded to the wrong directory. The file is now in the right place: http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OPTIMIZING staff system = Stupid Finale Tricks
At 08:40 AM 10/11/04 -0400, Christopher Smith wrote: If you have already tried optimising, you will have to REMOVE optimisation before the Group Attributes can be changed. Then go back and optimise again. I don't why it works like this. It just does. This little tidbit cost me several hours a year or two ago. Grr. Warnings and advice messages are spare in Finale (though this may have changed since 2K3, which I use). I had an embarrassing moment just a few weeks due to my haste combined with the lack of critical Finale warnings in part extraction (or even an identification on the score that part extraction is turned on). I had to make a change in a part for my orchestral piece in rehearsal -- just a small thing, moving to another player about 8 measures on the last page of a part. I made the change in the part, printed it again, ran out the door, and drove 120 miles to the rehearsal. Since it was on the last page, I didn't check for page turns, or I would have noticed that ... yes, I hadn't toggled part extraction off and on, so that change was still hidden under the block rest. :( Pen ink came to the rescue until the next day. A little warning like this might have helped: Special part extraction is ON. Changes made within hidden areas will not be visible. To show changes, re-extract this part. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] IRC Channel Update
I thought I'd give you a quick update on activity on the #Finale IRC channel as quite a few people visited following Jari's post to this list. The channel has been up and running for only a few days, but I estimate that something like 40 different people have visited in that time, there's obviously an interest, but if you think my posting this here is inappropriate let me know. I don't think there's any replication going on as it's quite a different media from this list and the bulletin board over at finalemusic.com. On Sunday, Tyler organised an 'official' meeting time and something like 8 or 9 people were nattering away for an hour or so on subjects as diverse as note entry, GPO and (inevitably) Sibelius. Everyone either enjoyed themselves or found it useful and Tyler resolved to organise set topics or demonstrations in the future (details to follow). As a follow up, I'd like to post the following timetable: - TIMETABLE - Organised Meetings : Sundays - 3pm EST Finale Caf (informal) : Daily 3pm EST except Sunday Drop In or Hang Out : All other times - - Finale IRC channel info - server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale - - RECOMMENDED IRC CLIENTS - windows: http://www.mirc.com/ macintosh: http://www.colloquy.com - Just as a quick note, it's deemed perfectly acceptable to simply loiter around on IRC channels, a channel could have 60 people in it with only 2 or 3 actually chatting, others could be away or just plain busy. That said, if you wander into the channel and there's nothing going on, just leave your IRC cient open if you have a 24/7 connection - most of them make sounds when there's activity so you can see what people are talking about and join in if you want to. All suggestions and opinion welcomed! Simon Troup Digital Music Art ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Oct 11, 2004, at 9:06 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 08:44 AM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: I get a Page not found error from your URL. My bad -- I uploaded to the wrong directory. The file is now in the right place: http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip Aaron. Aaron, I was able to download it, but I can't load it into Finale. It actually corrupts my open file when I do load it (FinMac 2005) and I have to force quit, but I can't find any new articulations at all before I do that. Perhaps if you could send an empty Finale file with the articulation library loaded, I could save the library myself, and try to load it that way. If it is any consolation, I have had little luck in sending library files to colleagues. I've usually resorted to the method in the last paragraph. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
I get an 'incompatible file' error - Win2K3 Christopher Smith wrote: On Oct 11, 2004, at 9:06 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 08:44 AM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: I get a Page not found error from your URL. My bad -- I uploaded to the wrong directory. The file is now in the right place: http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip Aaron. Aaron, I was able to download it, but I can't load it into Finale. It actually corrupts my open file when I do load it (FinMac 2005) and I have to force quit, but I can't find any new articulations at all before I do that. Perhaps if you could send an empty Finale file with the articulation library loaded, I could save the library myself, and try to load it that way. If it is any consolation, I have had little luck in sending library files to colleagues. I've usually resorted to the method in the last paragraph. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
At 10:57 AM 10/11/2004, Owain Sutton wrote: I get an 'incompatible file' error - Win2K3 Well, it is a Win2K4 file -- I didn't realize that libraries were version-specific. You are unzipping the file first, right? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OPTIMIZING staff system
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:44:02 -0700, Kim Richmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I've had this problem before, but I can't remember how I solved it. Maybe you guys can help. No matter what I do, the piano part will not optimize into one staff at any point. I have checked in Edit Group Attributes and made sure it is set on Optimize Staves Normally (although after trying to optimize a few times, it reverts back to Only Remove When All Staves Are Empty). I have made there are no entries in the blank staff in the systems I'm trying to optimize. I've checked in the Staff Systems attributes to make sure both staves have Allow Optimization checked. Any ideas? The reason is that, after optimizing, each system's groups are individually defined. If you optimized the piece with Only Remove... set, you will have to change each and every system's Piano part to make it work the way you want. The easiest way to fix this is to change the Group attributes in Scroll view (the master or default staff/group settings location) and then apply TGTools' Update Groups plug-in. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
Yeah, it's unzipped. It doesn't surprise me that they aren't backwards-compatible, though. Aaron Sherber wrote: At 10:57 AM 10/11/2004, Owain Sutton wrote: I get an 'incompatible file' error - Win2K3 Well, it is a Win2K4 file -- I didn't realize that libraries were version-specific. You are unzipping the file first, right? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Oct 11, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 10:57 AM 10/11/2004, Owain Sutton wrote: I get an 'incompatible file' error - Win2K3 Well, it is a Win2K4 file -- I didn't realize that libraries were version-specific. You are unzipping the file first, right? Aaron. Libraries aren't SUPPOSED to be version, nor platform, specific. I can't open it in FinMac 2004b either. It corrupts my file in the same way (creating a blank multi-measure rest for the first 23 measures or so, and other odd behaviour, indicating most likely a corrupt file.) Yes I unzipped it. It shows up as Bracket Articulation.LIB on my desktop, but Finale doesn't recognise it as a Finale file (no news there, since it came from a PC, it wouldn't have the Mac-specific headers). But when I ask Finale to load a library, select All file types, and open it anyway (which works in most Mac programs to force recognition) I get the behaviour I described. Perhaps a full Finale file, with only the articulation library loaded? I (nor my colleagues) don't usually have any problems with those, especially when zipped. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
At 11:48 AM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: Perhaps a full Finale file, with only the articulation library loaded? I (nor my colleagues) don't usually have any problems with those, especially when zipped. Okay. Try downloading the file again http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip It now contains a WinFin2004 file with the articulation library loaded, as well as the library itself. Hope this works for you. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:48:57 -0400, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 11, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 10:57 AM 10/11/2004, Owain Sutton wrote: I get an 'incompatible file' error - Win2K3 Well, it is a Win2K4 file -- I didn't realize that libraries were version-specific. You are unzipping the file first, right? Libraries aren't SUPPOSED to be version, nor platform, specific. I can't open it in FinMac 2004b either. It corrupts my file in the same way (creating a blank multi-measure rest for the first 23 measures or so, and other odd behaviour, indicating most likely a corrupt file.) Yes I unzipped it. It shows up as Bracket Articulation.LIB on my desktop, but Finale doesn't recognise it as a Finale file (no news there, since it came from a PC, it wouldn't have the Mac-specific headers). But when I ask Finale to load a library, select All file types, and open it anyway (which works in most Mac programs to force recognition) I get the behaviour I described. Perhaps a full Finale file, with only the articulation library loaded? I (nor my colleagues) don't usually have any problems with those, especially when zipped. When I attempt to load the library on MacFin2k5, it will cause the first 23 measures (of any score I attempt to load it into) to become one giant blank measure, and nothing is added to the articulation selection dialog. I even tried opening a new Document without Libraries, and the same thing happened. It appeared to work fine at first, but when I tried to enter notes into the first bar it swallowed up the following 22 bars and made the file unusable again. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:00:38 -0400, Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:48 AM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: Perhaps a full Finale file, with only the articulation library loaded? I (nor my colleagues) don't usually have any problems with those, especially when zipped. Okay. Try downloading the file again http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip It now contains a WinFin2004 file with the articulation library loaded, as well as the library itself. Hope this works for you. Thanks, Aaron. The Finale file worked, and I could save a usable articulation library from it. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Oct 11, 2004, at 12:00 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 11:48 AM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: Perhaps a full Finale file, with only the articulation library loaded? I (nor my colleagues) don't usually have any problems with those, especially when zipped. Okay. Try downloading the file again http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip It now contains a WinFin2004 file with the articulation library loaded, as well as the library itself. Hope this works for you. Aaron. Great! This works for me now. I opened up the file in FinMac 2004 and 2005, both versions worked, and I was able to save the library and load it into my default file. Thanks very much for that; it was very generous of you. As they are articulations, I can take them into account when spacing, so it makes them very convenient. I should mention that I immediately went in and edited some things to make it more to my taste (like changing the text to 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc., as counting by spaces is less intuitive for me; and turning Avoid Staff Lines off in the placement, as the top horizontal bar kept being masked by a staff line; and moving them a little closer to the chord) but all that work you did is terrific, and you are a true community citizen for sharing it with us. Regards, Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
At 12:39 PM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: I should mention that I immediately went in and edited some things to make it more to my taste (like changing the text to 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc., as counting by spaces is less intuitive for me; and turning Avoid Staff Lines off in the placement, as the top horizontal bar kept being masked by a staff line; This is all somewhat a matter of taste. I agree that counting by spaces is less intuitive, but I think it makes more sense in this case, for exactly some of the reasons you mention. For example, if you had a double stop E4 and G4 on the treble clef, the correct bracket to use is actually the 2 space bracket, which you probably have labeled as a 5th. This will let the bracket extend from just below the E to just above the G. The avoid staff lines checkbox makes sure that the bottom of the expression doesn't collide with a staff line, and picking the right height makes sure that the top doesn't. Note that this changes somewhat depending on what the notes are. If your third is C4 and E4, you should use the 1.5 space bracket, which will go from directly next to the C to just above the E. And if your third is F4 and A4, you actually do want the 1 space bracket (which you've probably got as a 3rd). To me it makes more sense to think of these in terms of spaces (distances) rather than intervals -- I wouldn't think to apply a bracket of a 4th or 5th to an interval of a 3rd -- but as I say, whatever works for you. Glad you find this useful as a starting point. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OPTIMIZING
On Oct 11, 2004, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kim Richmond wrote: OK, I've had this problem before, but I can't remember how I solved it. Maybe you guys can help. No matter what I do, the piano part will not optimize into one staff at any point. I have checked in Edit Group Attributes and made sure it is set on Optimize Staves Normally (although after trying to optimize a few times, it reverts back to Only Remove When All Staves Are Empty). I have made there are no entries in the blank staff in the systems I'm trying to optimize. I've checked in the Staff Systems attributes to make sure both staves have Allow Optimization checked. Any ideas? All the best, Do you have any real whole rests? These are created when you enter a whole note and backspace to convert to a rest, in Speedy Entry, or simply entered as a rest by clicking in Simple entry. If there are any of these (they look just like the whole rests inserted into empty measures by the program) the staff won't be optimized out. If the staff is supposed to be truly empty, you can simply use mass mover to highlight the measures in question and then clear everything. But if there is anything attached to those specific measures you can't remove that staff from that system. -- No results. I did make very sure there were no entries. All the best, KIM R ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OPTIMIZING
On Oct 11, 2004, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:40:45 -0400 From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] OPTIMIZING staff system To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Oct 11, 2004, at 3:44 AM, Kim Richmond wrote: OK, I've had this problem before, but I can't remember how I solved it. Maybe you guys can help. No matter what I do, the piano part will not optimize into one staff at any point. I have checked in Edit Group Attributes and made sure it is set on Optimize Staves Normally (although after trying to optimize a few times, it reverts back to Only Remove When All Staves Are Empty). I have made there are no entries in the blank staff in the systems I'm trying to optimize. I've checked in the Staff Systems attributes to make sure both staves have Allow Optimization checked. Any ideas? All the best, KIM Richmond If you have already tried optimising, you will have to REMOVE optimisation before the Group Attributes can be changed. Then go back and optimise again. I don't why it works like this. It just does. This little tidbit cost me several hours a year or two ago. Grr. Christopher Sounds like it should work, but doesn't in this case. What am I overlooking? All the best, KIM Richmond ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Vertical brackets...
On Oct 11, 2004, at 1:13 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 12:39 PM 10/11/2004, Christopher Smith wrote: I should mention that I immediately went in and edited some things to make it more to my taste (like changing the text to 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc., as counting by spaces is less intuitive for me; and turning Avoid Staff Lines off in the placement, as the top horizontal bar kept being masked by a staff line; This is all somewhat a matter of taste. I agree that counting by spaces is less intuitive, but I think it makes more sense in this case, for exactly some of the reasons you mention. For example, if you had a double stop E4 and G4 on the treble clef, the correct bracket to use is actually the 2 space bracket, which you probably have labeled as a 5th. This will let the bracket extend from just below the E to just above the G. The avoid staff lines checkbox makes sure that the bottom of the expression doesn't collide with a staff line, and picking the right height makes sure that the top doesn't. Note that this changes somewhat depending on what the notes are. If your third is C4 and E4, you should use the 1.5 space bracket, which will go from directly next to the C to just above the E. And if your third is F4 and A4, you actually do want the 1 space bracket (which you've probably got as a 3rd). To me it makes more sense to think of these in terms of spaces (distances) rather than intervals -- I wouldn't think to apply a bracket of a 4th or 5th to an interval of a 3rd -- but as I say, whatever works for you. Glad you find this useful as a starting point. Aaron. Thanks for the explanation. I went back and tried it with Avoid staff Lines back on, and sure enough, all worked out exactly as you described it. I WAS using too-short brackets in certain situations, and your method works out perfectly. As is often the case, I learn more about engraving and improve my eye from this list! I STILL can think more easily in terms of intervals, though, so I left the text identifiers as I had edited them. I did find out, though, why you had so carefully kept the text to the RIGHT of the left-most limit of the bracket; it's because hidden text is taken into account for spacing purposes! I discovered this the hard way. Change of subject: On another topic, for those here who use the JazzFont, I discovered a better way to notate a jazz turn (like a classical turn, but in manuscript shape) than the glyph that is included. I tried hand-crafting one in the Shape Designer, and it looked terrible. Then I found a nice one in the Apple Chancery font - the tilde character (~), at 28 points and bold, matches the JazzFont nicely. Some tildes in other fonts are too flat; this one is nice and curvy without the exaggerated curve in the classical turn. While I was at it, I reduced the point sizes for some of the diagonal lines in the articulation library of the JazzFont, which made them shorter AND not quite so clunky. I am really enjoying the enhancements to the default file included with recent versions of Finale; it is MUCH more usable than before. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
