Re: [Finale] MacFin05 Finder windows stay on top

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Robert,
On 20 Feb 2005, at 1:07 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
So really what you are saying is that there was no point in adopting 
OSX for Finale work until Fin06, assuming Fin06 does as you say. (A 
*big* assumption.)
Well, some of us need OS X for things other than Finale.  Some of us 
needed all the new features introduced in Fin2004-2005.  Some of us 
needed to upgrade to keep up with our clients.  And of course, lots of 
people bought new Macs that would not boot in OS 9.  And I can't 
imagine that GPO, for example, would work with Fin2003 in Classic.

I was hoping Fin05 was the "get it to work well version" but alas I'm 
committed now in any case.
Fin 2005 is just as un-optimized for OS X as its predecessor.  Because 
of the massive delays in getting FinMac2004 out the door, the 
development cycle for Fin2005 was about half as long as it normally is. 
 I assume it was all Coda could to to add all the new WinFin2005 
features and troubleshoot those in time for the joint release of 
Win/MacFin2005.

512 MB is probably enough provided you don't have a bunch of massive 
documents open simultaneously and don't have anything else running 
except Finale (and QuicKeys/iKey).  For anything else -- even if you 
just want to comfortably run Finale, Mail, and Safari simultaneously, 
for example -- I think 1 GB is probably the way to go.  Safari can 
easily eat up over 100 MB of RAM physcial RAM all by itself, and large 
Finale files require an enormous amount of physical RAM as well.

Do you really think 512MB is not enough? That's what I have. I'll 
happily upgrade to 1GB if you really think it will make a difference 
for Finale. I'm not convinced at this point.
It's hard for me to say, because I've never worked with just 512 MB of 
RAM.  I had 768 MB of RAM on my old machine, and 1 GB on my new one.  1 
GB "feels" better, but of course the machine is much faster as well, so 
it's hard to know how much of that is the amount of RAM and how much is 
processor/bus speed, etc.  My girlfriend's old Powerbook had 256 MB of 
RAM, and that was *definitely* not enough for even casual use.  And on 
my mini, I run right up against the 1 GB RAM limit pretty quickly every 
time I run Finale and GPO simultaneously.

Look at it this way -- it couldn't *hurt* to go up to 1 GB of RAM.
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Re: [Finale] MacFin05 Finder windows stay on top

[Robert Patterson]

So really what you are saying is that there was no point in adopting OSX 
for Finale work until Fin06, assuming Fin06 does as you say. (A *big* 
assumption.)

I was hoping Fin05 was the "get it to work well version" but alas I'm 
committed now in any case.

Do you really think 512MB is not enough? That's what I have. I'll 
happily upgrade to 1GB if you really think it will make a difference for 
Finale. I'm not convinced at this point.

Darcy James Argue wrote:

> Hopefully, FinMac2006 will be a "get it to work *well* in OS X" version.

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Re: [Finale] TAN: other way of entering pedal changes?

[Steve Gibons]

You don't say what platform you're on. That would be a little bit 
helpful.

If you are on Mac OS X you might try MidiPipe
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/10541
steve
On Feb 19, 2005, at 7:38 PM, David Froom wrote:
Hello,
This is way off topic, but I hope someone can help.
I have a midi keyboard without a sustain pedal.  I would like to find
something that would allow me to be able to use something, maybe a key 
on
the computer keyboard, maybe my mouse, to send that midi date (CC 64 
on and
off).  Does anyone know of a way I can do this?

Thanks in advance,
David Froom
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Re: [Finale] MacFin05 Finder windows stay on top

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi all,
Finale 2004-2005 are *severely* under-optimized for OS X.  Sibelius was 
the same way.  Sib 2.x in OS X was a dog, but Sibelius 3.x actually 
runs faster under OS X than under OS 9 on identical hardware (at least, 
given a modern video card).  Also, Sib 3.x under OS X is much faster 
than Sib 1.4 was under OS 9.  It's not OS X, it's Finale.

However, Johannes is right that OS X requires a ton of physical RAM for 
optimum performance.  512 MB is the bare-bones minimum, and if you can 
spring for 1 GB, it makes a considerable difference.

If/when Finale finally gets around to taking advantage of OS X's 
advanced OpenGL support (as Sibelius does), so that some of the 
graphics processing is offloaded to the video card, we can look forward 
to features like instantaneous redraws, continuous smooth zooming in 
and out (instead of stepped zooming), and completely smooth scrolling, 
including the ability to scroll/drag the screen during playback with no 
interruptions.  Plus considerably improved font smoothing compared to 
OS 9.

FinMac2004 and 2005 were "just get it to work in OS X" versions.  
Hopefully, FinMac2006 will be a "get it to work *well* in OS X" 
version.

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On 19 Feb 2005, at 10:50 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
It is true that Fin2k5 is slower than 2k3 on the same box. However, 
for me, the much higher stability actually makes up for that. The 
truth is that OS X is a much more advanced system, and it needs a 
faster CPU, and almost more importantly, vast amounts of memory.

Hopefully we will see some speed improvements in Finale eventually, 
although my biggest problem is still the slow response of some 
keyboard menu keys. I guess I will have to reprogram them all in iKey.

Johannes
Robert Patterson wrote:
I remain puzzled why some Finale users chose to jump so quickly to 
OSX. MacFin05 under OSX remains absurdly slower and clunkier than 
Fin03 under OS9 was (on the same box). I am now almost sorry I 
switched, except that my OS9 installation was just too long in the 
tooth to keep running on. Apple did the Mac world a huge disservice 
in jumping too quickly, though, and Coda/MakeMusic/Etc did a mediocre 
job on their OSX port. (Apparently Apple wasn't hurt by the callous 
disregard of their customers. It's too soon to say about the Company 
Formerly Known as Coda.)
That said, I am now committed. The problem is that often when I 
launch a document from a Finder window, the document window appears 
behind the Finder window. This happens particularly when opening a 
second document. What's worse, if there are plugin windows open, you 
can't bring the doc window to the front. Gack!
Has anyone else seen this behavior and/or got a solution?
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Re: [Finale] Freeze measure widths?

[Aaron Sherber]

At 06:24 PM 2/19/2005, Mark D Lew wrote:
>Yes, I knew I had done it with one of the plug-ins, though I had
>forgotten which one. And TG allows negative numbers, too, right?
Yes. You can add space at the beginning or end of a measure, or after a 
partal measure selection (i.e., mid-measure). And a negative number removes 
space.

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Re: [Finale] MacFin05 Finder windows stay on top

[Johannes Gebauer]

It is true that Fin2k5 is slower than 2k3 on the same box. However, for 
me, the much higher stability actually makes up for that. The truth is 
that OS X is a much more advanced system, and it needs a faster CPU, and 
almost more importantly, vast amounts of memory.

Hopefully we will see some speed improvements in Finale eventually, 
although my biggest problem is still the slow response of some keyboard 
menu keys. I guess I will have to reprogram them all in iKey.

Johannes
Robert Patterson wrote:
I remain puzzled why some Finale users chose to jump so quickly to OSX. 
MacFin05 under OSX remains absurdly slower and clunkier than Fin03 under 
OS9 was (on the same box). I am now almost sorry I switched, except that 
my OS9 installation was just too long in the tooth to keep running on. 
Apple did the Mac world a huge disservice in jumping too quickly, 
though, and Coda/MakeMusic/Etc did a mediocre job on their OSX port. 
(Apparently Apple wasn't hurt by the callous disregard of their 
customers. It's too soon to say about the Company Formerly Known as Coda.)

That said, I am now committed. The problem is that often when I launch a 
document from a Finder window, the document window appears behind the 
Finder window. This happens particularly when opening a second document. 
What's worse, if there are plugin windows open, you can't bring the doc 
window to the front. Gack!

Has anyone else seen this behavior and/or got a solution?
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[Finale] TAN: other way of entering pedal changes?

[David Froom]

Hello,

This is way off topic, but I hope someone can help.

I have a midi keyboard without a sustain pedal.  I would like to find
something that would allow me to be able to use something, maybe a key on
the computer keyboard, maybe my mouse, to send that midi date (CC 64 on and
off).  Does anyone know of a way I can do this?

Thanks in advance,

David Froom


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Re: [Finale] Music stand and stand light recommendations

[Chuck Israels]

On Feb 19, 2005, at 4:17 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

Hi Chuck,

Thank you *so* much for the kind words.  I'm lucky enough to have some wonderful musicians on board who enjoy playing my music (including Ingrid Jensen and Jon Wikan, among many other terrific players) so I'm really looking forward to our first gig.

The RATstands Jazz/Jazz Orchestra stands look ideal, but they are ridiculously out of my price range.  You'd practically need a MacArthur grant to afford a set of those!

I know, that's why I am thinking about 1 (count 'em - "one") for Margot.

Chuck



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Re: [Finale] Music stand and stand light recommendations

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Chuck,
Thank you *so* much for the kind words.  I'm lucky enough to have some  
wonderful musicians on board who enjoy playing my music (including  
Ingrid Jensen and Jon Wikan, among many other terrific players) so I'm  
really looking forward to our first gig.

The RATstands Jazz/Jazz Orchestra stands look ideal, but they are  
ridiculously out of my price range.  You'd practically need a MacArthur  
grant to afford a set of those!

I'm worried that the Musician's Friend stands may be too heavy to lug.   
It looks like they are 8 pounds each!

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On 19 Feb 2005, at 6:52 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
Darcy,
Those look pretty nice, and they are not expensive.
For comparison, look here: http://www.ratstands.com/
These are really nice, but I suspect too pricey for most of us in the  
numbers you will need.  I've been thinking about getting one of these  
for Margot's teaching studio.

Good luck with all this.  I'm glad that some one like you is getting  
out with some big band music.  We need more.  Dave Berger's band is  
superb, as is his music, but we need other things too.  I saw  
Nightline last night - a half an hour on Joe Elefante's band, and I  
thought it sounded like a bad high school version of Buddy Rich.   
Everyone playing loud all the time, not in tune, not balanced, not in  
time, with underdeveloped soloists.  I could go on - but never mind.   
Your music will be a welcome antidote to that, I'm sure.

Chuck

On Feb 19, 2005, at 3:19 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Hey gang,
Okay, my 18-piece band is going to start gigging soon and I'm going  
to need to invest in some stands and stand lights for us.  I'm  
looking for recommendations.

The stands must be lightweight and collapsable -- not necessarily  
wire stands, but I have to be able to fit 20 of them in a luggable  
wheel cart.

The lights must be small, battery-powered, and actually help  
readability.

Above all, everything needs to be inexpensive, since I have to buy  
for the whole band, and modern big band gigs aren't exactly a hugely  
profitable enterprise.

I saw this at Muscian's Friend -- $30 per light/stand combo (which is  
pretty much the upper limit of what I could afford):

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/ 
452026/

I don't know if that's a battery-powered light, though.
Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Re: [Finale] Music stand and stand light recommendations

[A-NO-NE Music]

Darcy James Argue / 05.2.19 / 06:19 PM wrote:

>The stands must be lightweight and collapsable -- not necessarily wire  
>stands, but I have to be able to fit 20 of them in a luggable wheel  
>cart.

I can't find the one I wonted to recommend, but this is a similar one:

For collapsable, I mean.


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Re: [Finale] Music stand and stand light recommendations

[Chuck Israels]

Darcy,

Those look pretty nice, and they are not expensive.

For comparison, look here: http://www.ratstands.com/

These are really nice, but I suspect too pricey for most of us in the numbers you will need.  I've been thinking about getting one of these for Margot's teaching studio.

Good luck with all this.  I'm glad that some one like you is getting out with some big band music.  We need more.  Dave Berger's band is superb, as is his music, but we need other things too.  I saw Nightline last night - a half an hour on Joe Elefante's band, and I thought it sounded like a bad high school version of Buddy Rich.  Everyone playing loud all the time, not in tune, not balanced, not in time, with underdeveloped soloists.  I could go on - but never mind.  Your music will be a welcome antidote to that, I'm sure.

Chuck



On Feb 19, 2005, at 3:19 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

Hey gang,

Okay, my 18-piece band is going to start gigging soon and I'm going to need to invest in some stands and stand lights for us.  I'm looking for recommendations.

The stands must be lightweight and collapsable -- not necessarily wire stands, but I have to be able to fit 20 of them in a luggable wheel cart.

The lights must be small, battery-powered, and actually help readability.

Above all, everything needs to be inexpensive, since I have to buy for the whole band, and modern big band gigs aren't exactly a hugely profitable enterprise.

I saw this at Muscian's Friend -- $30 per light/stand combo (which is pretty much the upper limit of what I could afford):

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/452026/

I don't know if that's a battery-powered light, though.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

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Re: [Finale] Music stand and stand light recommendations

[Carl Dershem]

Darcy James Argue wrote:
Hey gang,
Okay, my 18-piece band is going to start gigging soon and I'm going to  
need to invest in some stands and stand lights for us.  I'm looking for  
recommendations.

The stands must be lightweight and collapsable -- not necessarily wire  
stands, but I have to be able to fit 20 of them in a luggable wheel  cart.

The lights must be small, battery-powered, and actually help  readability.
Above all, everything needs to be inexpensive, since I have to buy for  
the whole band, and modern big band gigs aren't exactly a hugely  
profitable enterprise.

I saw this at Muscian's Friend -- $30 per light/stand combo (which is  
pretty much the upper limit of what I could afford):

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/ 452026/
I don't know if that's a battery-powered light, though.
Any advice would be much appreciated.
Looks pretty useful to me.  There was a part number on the lights - have 
you followed through on that to see whether they're battery powerd, or 
plug-in?
And I vaguely recall seeing band fronts for saxes at either Giardinelli 
or WW/BW a while back, though I can't seem to find them now.  They can 
be good for displaying the name of the band, and a lot of sax players 
are used to them.

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Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[David W. Fenton]

On 19 Feb 2005 at 15:17, Mark D Lew wrote:

> On Feb 19, 2005, at 2:37 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
> 
> > I don't know if your girlfriend has broadband or not, but one thing
> > to keep in mind is that if she's using WiFi (wireless internet),
> > she's probably going through a NAT router already.
> 
> Nope, no WiFi there.  That would be handy for when I bring my laptop
> over, but as long as I've got an ethernet jack to plug into, that's
> good enough.
> 
> I just heard back from her, and it looks like she's already got four
> of David's five steps going.  She got Firefox installed this morning,
> and it's working perfectly so far, and she's now using a non-IE email
> reader as well (a proprietary thing from Comcast).  She already had a
> McAfee package running, and from the sound of it, it includes both AV
> and a software firewall.  That leaves just the router, which we'll
> look into next.  Hopefully, that will be the end of the problems.

One thing that should have been on my list at the end was a browser 
proxy (I use WebWasher; there are lots of them out there, each with 
its own set of features). This is especially helpful if you have 
multiple browsers, as then you don't have to authorize all of them 
through the firewall, just the web proxy software.

But it's also a major component to protect IE from infiltration, as 
most can be set to filter out the scripts that are likely to be able 
to compromise your IE installation.

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Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Mark,
Don't forget to run Microsoft Anti-Spyware to clear out all the crap IE 
allowed on her system in the first place.

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx
I have personally seen the enormous difference this makes on my Dad's 
P4.  He had a NAT router, Norton AntiVirus *and* the Norton software 
firewall, but his hard drive *still* filled up with junk and spyware 
that reduced system performance to a crawl.  After running MS 
Anti-Spyware, performance was back to the way it was when he first 
bought the computer.

He still uses IE, though.  Won't switch to FireFox, I think out of 
sheer stubbornness, because it would mean admitting that I was right 
about something.

- Darcy
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On 19 Feb 2005, at 6:17 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Feb 19, 2005, at 2:37 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I don't know if your girlfriend has broadband or not, but one thing 
to keep in mind is that if she's using WiFi (wireless internet), 
she's probably going through a NAT router already.
Nope, no WiFi there.  That would be handy for when I bring my laptop 
over, but as long as I've got an ethernet jack to plug into, that's 
good enough.

I just heard back from her, and it looks like she's already got four 
of David's five steps going.  She got Firefox installed this morning, 
and it's working perfectly so far, and she's now using a non-IE email 
reader as well (a proprietary thing from Comcast).  She already had a 
McAfee package running, and from the sound of it, it includes both AV 
and a software firewall.  That leaves just the router, which we'll 
look into next.  Hopefully, that will be the end of the problems.

thanks to all
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Re: [Finale] Freeze measure widths?

[Mark D Lew]

On Feb 19, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
You can do this with TGTools, you know.
Yes, I knew I had done it with one of the plug-ins, though I had 
forgotten which one. And TG allows negative numbers, too, right?

For so many years I was on an ancient dinosaur Mac which couldn't 
operate TG.  I've had them for more than a year now, but so many of my 
habits are ingrained from the old days that I only use a handful of the 
TG tools regularly.  (Actually, I've done damn little with Finale at 
all for several months)

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[Finale] Music stand and stand light recommendations

[Darcy James Argue]

Hey gang,
Okay, my 18-piece band is going to start gigging soon and I'm going to  
need to invest in some stands and stand lights for us.  I'm looking for  
recommendations.

The stands must be lightweight and collapsable -- not necessarily wire  
stands, but I have to be able to fit 20 of them in a luggable wheel  
cart.

The lights must be small, battery-powered, and actually help  
readability.

Above all, everything needs to be inexpensive, since I have to buy for  
the whole band, and modern big band gigs aren't exactly a hugely  
profitable enterprise.

I saw this at Muscian's Friend -- $30 per light/stand combo (which is  
pretty much the upper limit of what I could afford):

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/ 
452026/

I don't know if that's a battery-powered light, though.
Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[Mark D Lew]

On Feb 19, 2005, at 2:37 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I don't know if your girlfriend has broadband or not, but one thing to 
keep in mind is that if she's using WiFi (wireless internet), she's 
probably going through a NAT router already.
Nope, no WiFi there.  That would be handy for when I bring my laptop 
over, but as long as I've got an ethernet jack to plug into, that's 
good enough.

I just heard back from her, and it looks like she's already got four of 
David's five steps going.  She got Firefox installed this morning, and 
it's working perfectly so far, and she's now using a non-IE email 
reader as well (a proprietary thing from Comcast).  She already had a 
McAfee package running, and from the sound of it, it includes both AV 
and a software firewall.  That leaves just the router, which we'll look 
into next.  Hopefully, that will be the end of the problems.

thanks to all
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Re: [Finale] Freeze measure widths?

[Aaron Sherber]

At 05:27 PM 2/19/2005, Mark D Lew wrote:
>Now that you've explained it to me (I don't have 2k5), it sounds useful
>to me as is.  I can think of times when I've wanted to add blank space
>at the beginning or end of the bar without changing the relative
>spacing of everything else.
You can do this with TGTools, you know.
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Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Mark,
I don't know if your girlfriend has broadband or not, but one thing to 
keep in mind is that if she's using WiFi (wireless internet), she's 
probably going through a NAT router already.

- Darcy
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On 19 Feb 2005, at 5:30 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Feb 19, 2005, at 10:31 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
So, these components are what I deem necessary for safe computing on
an ordinary end user's Windows PC connected to the Internet full-
time:
1. a NAT router (to block incoming connections)
[... snip ...]
Thanks, David, for a comprehensive reply.
You had mentioned the NAT router in earlier threads, and that was one 
of the things I was trying to remember.  I'll reread your entire post 
more carefully later, and hopefully I'll be able to make practical 
sense of it all.

mdl
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Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[Mark D Lew]

On Feb 19, 2005, at 10:31 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
So, these components are what I deem necessary for safe computing on
an ordinary end user's Windows PC connected to the Internet full-
time:
1. a NAT router (to block incoming connections)
[... snip ...]
Thanks, David, for a comprehensive reply.
You had mentioned the NAT router in earlier threads, and that was one 
of the things I was trying to remember.  I'll reread your entire post 
more carefully later, and hopefully I'll be able to make practical 
sense of it all.

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Re: [Finale] Freeze measure widths?

[Mark D Lew]

On Feb 19, 2005, at 12:50 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
What the original poster was saying is new to 2005, but it doesn't work
as we hoped for.
The feature only adds space before and/or after the entry at the edge,
which is not very useful unless you have such special needs.
And how were you hoping it would work?
Now that you've explained it to me (I don't have 2k5), it sounds useful 
to me as is.  I can think of times when I've wanted to add blank space 
at the beginning or end of the bar without changing the relative 
spacing of everything else.  Sort of like tweaking the value under 
Music Options > Spacing > Music but on a measure-by-measure basis, 
right?

I don't suppose they've added a feature that lets me pick one value if 
the measure's first item is a note and another if the measure's first 
item is an accidental, have they?  It always bugged me that the same 
horizontal distance was used in either case, which I find unattractive, 
but it's too much hassle to go in and tweak every measure, so I've just 
learned to accept it.  One more example where software necessity is 
influencing typographic norms.

And 'add width', as you said, will be stoopidly dismissed by music 
spacing :-(

Feature request?
But I say it's a bug!  Coz if music spacing dismisses the manual 'add'
what is it good for, no?
But the whole point of music spacing is to recalculate the spacing of 
the measure, right?  If you're happy with the adjustments you've made, 
why would you respace it?  Maybe I'm just misunderstanding how you use 
it.  I know I take much more initiative with my spacing tweaks than 
most users do.

If being dismissed by music spacing makes something  a "bug", there's a 
lot of things you'd have to throw out ... tweaking the beat chart, 
dragging barlines left or right, etc.  These may seem useless to people 
who keep automatic music spacing on all the time, but the rest of us 
use them.

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Re: [Finale] Freeze measure widths?

[A-NO-NE Music]

d. collins / 05.2.19 / 01:45 AM wrote:

>Is this something new in 2005? I have no such box in 2004. I have an Add 
>box, which allows me to add to (or subtract from) the width of a measure, 
>but then this IS affected by music spacing. If I respace the music, this 
>goes back to "normal".


What the original poster was saying is new to 2005, but it doesn't work
as we hoped for.
The feature only adds space before and/or after the entry at the edge,
which is not very useful unless you have such special needs.

And 'add width', as you said, will be stoopidly dismissed by music spacing :-(

Feature request?
But I say it's a bug!  Coz if music spacing dismisses the manual 'add'
what is it good for, no?


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Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[Jari Williamsson]

Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
It does have some limited
features (no option to auto-clear the cache on exit, no mouse gestures,
It's important to know that Firefox design goals are quite different 
compared to most other browsers. One main goal is that is should only 
include features most users likely will need, to avoid file bloat and 
performance issues. Other more "personal" issues can be changed by using 
extensions (to change behaviour) or themes (to change the visual look).

If you want a special way the UI should work, you can almost count on 
that there's an extension available to do it - the number of extensions 
for Firefox has really exploded the last months. (There are numerous 
extensions available for mouse gestures, just pick the one which suits 
you the best.)

Best regards,
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Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[Jari Williamsson]

Bruce K H Kau wrote:
that Firefox does not yet have, such as the ability to bookmark a
set of tabs. 
When you add a bookmark in Firefox, just check "Bookmark all tabs in a 
folder".

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Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[David W. Fenton]

On 19 Feb 2005 at 7:02, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

> At 01:31 AM 2/19/05 -0800, Mark D Lew wrote:
> >Can someone perhaps tell me what I should suggest to my girlfriend? 
> >What browser do you recommend instead, and where does she go to
> >download and install it?
> 
> Jari recommended Firefox (http://www.mozilla.org/). So do I -- even
> though I was an Opera user for years. Firefox takes no time to get
> used to, except for the surprise of no invasive popups. :)  It does
> have some limited features (no option to auto-clear the cache on exit,
> no mouse gestures, poor implementation of print output, and weakness
> in reliably finding needed plugins), . . .

The full Mozilla version supports both cache auto-clear and mouse 
gestures. It probably shares what you see as the poor print output in 
FireFox, though I'd disagree -- I've had far more problems with IE 
when printing (usually cutting off parts of the page, probably due to 
the same box-model bug that I posted about yesterday) than I've ever 
had with Gecko-based browsers. As to the plugins problem, once you 
have the commonly-used ones installed, it's no longer an issue.

but it is stable and works with
> every website I regularly visit, including banking and auction sites.
> 
> I admit it was hard to downshift from Opera to Firefox. I still think
> Opera has far and away the best features of any browser, . . .

Opera feels clunky and hard-to-use for me. I've tried it many times, 
and I've just never warmed to it. I think it's huge default toolbar 
set gets in my way psychologically, and I just think tabs are 
superior to the multiple-document interface for a web browser.

But it *is* a good browser.

Keep in mind also that Apple, Opera and the Mozilla Foundation have 
created a coalition to promote support of W3C standards in their 
browsers. They are trying to work together as something of a 
counterweight to the Microsoft monolith.

but it is has
> some problems. It's pretty geeky to configure easily, and its people
> just don't listen to ordinary users' needs. It's hard-line about
> rejecting websites that aren't written perfectly. It's ID is rejected
> by some websites. . . . 

But isn't it extremely easy to switch user agent strings in order to 
trick the web site into sending HTML it can render?

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Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[David W. Fenton]

On 19 Feb 2005 at 6:49, dhbailey wrote:

> Mark D Lew wrote:
> 
> > My girlfriend has a WindowsXP system with Internet Explorer, which
> > has been terribly buggy for about a month now.  The whole time I've
> > been telling her -- with playful exaggeration -- that Microsoft is
> > evil and IE is garbage and if she had any sense she'd throw the
> > whole thing out and get a real browser.  Tonight, only a few days
> > after a complete clean out of her hard drive and reinstallation of
> > everything, which was supposed to fix everything, her IE is crashing
> > again.  In despair, she has called my bluff.  "OK"", she says to me,
> > "I'll get rid of IE.  So what should I install instead?"
> > 
> > I'm a lifelong Mac person, and I'm not all that computer-savvy
> > anyway, so I'm not very good with practical suggestions.  I know
> > this list has plenty of smart PC users who know how to make Windows
> > work without IE. . . .

Actually, you *can't* make Windows work without IE, as MS has 
hardwired calls to IE in certain context into OS components. MS had 
no technical need to do this -- they did it simply for the purposes 
of gaining some credibility in the claims in the DOJ suit that IE was 
irreversibly intertwined with the OS itself.

It was all a lie, and a purposeful effort on MS's part to mislead, 
for little gain to the end user (and much exposure to vulnerability, 
as IE is one of the most insecure components of Windows).

> > . . . Can someone perhaps tell me what I should suggest
> > to my girlfriend?  What browser do you recommend instead, and where
> > does she go to download and install it?  Are there any other simple
> > precautions that can be taken, besides declining to open random exe
> > files that get sent to her?  (That much I know, at least.)  She's
> > got a high-speed cable connection.
> > 
> 
> I've been using Netscape forever and have no problems with it.  You
> can get it at http://www.netscape.com.  I know a lot of people have
> their complaints about it, and many are using the new FireFox browser
> which is available from http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ . . .

The rendering engine for Netscape is the same as the rendering engine 
in FireFox (Mozilla's Gecko, though it's an older version than 
FireFox; AOL is working on a new version of Netscape based on 
FireFox).

> . . . and
> many others use Opera, available from http://www.opera.com
> 
> You'll find devotees of any of these -- I've also got IE on my
> computer (WinXPpro) and use it occasionally and have never had a
> problem.

It's a good idea to simply avoid using IE except on the few sites 
(like WindowsUpdate) that require IE. There are very few such sites 
out there any longer. I can think of only one besides WindowsUpdate 
itself, and that's MSNBC, where the only browser that will properly 
play their media clips is IE (they browser detect and screw things 
up, forcing an upgrade to Windows Media Player, which one should 
avoid like the plague, since the recent versions have terribly 
crippling DRM features, as well as being massively bloated in 
comparison to older versions).

I also think it's a good idea to never let your web browser (not just 
IE) connect directlly to the Internet, but to use a browser proxy 
like WebWasher, which scrubs out ads and other nefarious and annoying 
web content.

Of course, that only really protects you if you also have a firewall 
that allows the browser proxy to connect to ports 80 and 443, but 
prohibits your browsers from connecting to anything outside your 
local machine. That means your browser can't do certain common 
underhanded things behind your back (like connecting on nonstandard 
ports via links buried in the HTML of a web page you've retrieved on 
the standard port 80).

> Good luck.
> 
> The biggest precaution she can take is to install an antivirus
> program. 
>   I've been using McAfee for the past 4 years and have no problems
>   with 
> it.  Check it out at www.mcafee.com  -- others use Norton Antivirus,
> available from http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_9xnt/

I don't use an anti-virus program myself, but recommend to my clients 
that they do so, simply because they don't have my technical 
experience and instincts.

There's a very good free AV program, AVG:

  http://www.grisoft.com/

I have it installed for the occasional instance where I suspect a 
file and want to install it, as well as the once-in-a-blue-moon case 
where my machine behaves funny in a way that conceivably could be due 
to a virus.

> The other biggest precaution she should take is to install a software
> firewall in addition to the one built into WinXP.  Both McAfee and
> Norton have them for sale.  I use McAfee.

The easiest way to protect a PC that is connected full-time to the 
Internet is to buy a cheap broadband router and place it between your 
PC and your cable/DSL modem. It's pretty much plug-and-play (I've had 
clients buy one on my recommendation and install it themselves). What 
this

Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[Bruce K H Kau]

Others have recommended Firefox, which would add my voice to. However, I
wouldn't count Mozilla out, as it is a more mature program and has some
things that Firefox does not yet have, such as the ability to bookmark a
set of tabs. (Maybe Firefox has it, but I didn't find it. I'll probably be
trying Firefox again in a few weeks.) YMMV. Maybe I'm just already
accustomed to Mozilla's quirks. Mozilla, though, strikes me as slightly
more stable. However, Mozilla is larger and somewhat more sluggish.

I wouldn't uninstall IE (I'm not sure you really and truly can, especially
if you use Outlook), as some websites only work with IE. However, when I
visit those websites, I open IE specifically to visit those sites, close IE
immediately after, and do a spyware scan. You'd be surprised what pops up
on supposedly "safe" sites. So, even if you've abandoned IE, you should
continue to download the patches from MS.

I would also turn off cookies except for those sites that absolutely demand
it.


At 01:31 AM 2/19/2005 -0800, Mark D Lew wrote:
>My girlfriend has a WindowsXP system with Internet Explorer, which has 
>been terribly buggy for about a month now.  The whole time I've been 
>telling her -- with playful exaggeration -- that Microsoft is evil and 
>IE is garbage and if she had any sense she'd throw the whole thing out 
>and get a real browser.  Tonight, only a few days after a complete 
>clean out of her hard drive and reinstallation of everything, which was 
>supposed to fix everything, her IE is crashing again.  In despair, she 
>has called my bluff.  "OK"", she says to me, "I'll get rid of IE.  So 
>what should I install instead?"
>
>I'm a lifelong Mac person, and I'm not all that computer-savvy anyway, 
>so I'm not very good with practical suggestions.  I know this list has 
>plenty of smart PC users who know how to make Windows work without IE.  
>Can someone perhaps tell me what I should suggest to my girlfriend?  
>What browser do you recommend instead, and where does she go to 
>download and install it?  Are there any other simple precautions that 
>can be taken, besides declining to open random exe files that get sent 
>to her?  (That much I know, at least.)  She's got a high-speed cable 
>connection.
>
>thanks
>mdl
>
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Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

At 01:31 AM 2/19/05 -0800, Mark D Lew wrote:
>Can someone perhaps tell me what I should suggest to my girlfriend?  
>What browser do you recommend instead, and where does she go to 
>download and install it?

Jari recommended Firefox (http://www.mozilla.org/). So do I -- even though
I was an Opera user for years. Firefox takes no time to get used to, except
for the surprise of no invasive popups. :)  It does have some limited
features (no option to auto-clear the cache on exit, no mouse gestures,
poor implementation of print output, and weakness in reliably finding
needed plugins), but it is stable and works with every website I regularly
visit, including banking and auction sites.

I admit it was hard to downshift from Opera to Firefox. I still think Opera
has far and away the best features of any browser, but it is has some
problems. It's pretty geeky to configure easily, and its people just don't
listen to ordinary users' needs. It's hard-line about rejecting websites
that aren't written perfectly. It's ID is rejected by some websites. It
costs about $30 for the ad-free version. And it misbehaves on home
networks, which was the real coup de grace for me. I'd been blaming the
problem on my WinGate LAN server, but it turned out to be an Opera issue
that's never been fixed.

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Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[dhbailey]

Mark D Lew wrote:
My girlfriend has a WindowsXP system with Internet Explorer, which has 
been terribly buggy for about a month now.  The whole time I've been 
telling her -- with playful exaggeration -- that Microsoft is evil and 
IE is garbage and if she had any sense she'd throw the whole thing out 
and get a real browser.  Tonight, only a few days after a complete clean 
out of her hard drive and reinstallation of everything, which was 
supposed to fix everything, her IE is crashing again.  In despair, she 
has called my bluff.  "OK"", she says to me, "I'll get rid of IE.  So 
what should I install instead?"

I'm a lifelong Mac person, and I'm not all that computer-savvy anyway, 
so I'm not very good with practical suggestions.  I know this list has 
plenty of smart PC users who know how to make Windows work without IE.  
Can someone perhaps tell me what I should suggest to my girlfriend?  
What browser do you recommend instead, and where does she go to download 
and install it?  Are there any other simple precautions that can be 
taken, besides declining to open random exe files that get sent to her?  
(That much I know, at least.)  She's got a high-speed cable connection.

I've been using Netscape forever and have no problems with it.  You can 
get it at http://www.netscape.com.  I know a lot of people have their 
complaints about it, and many are using the new FireFox browser which is 
available from http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/  and many others 
use Opera, available from http://www.opera.com

You'll find devotees of any of these -- I've also got IE on my computer 
(WinXPpro) and use it occasionally and have never had a problem.

Good luck.
The biggest precaution she can take is to install an antivirus program. 
 I've been using McAfee for the past 4 years and have no problems with 
it.  Check it out at www.mcafee.com  -- others use Norton Antivirus, 
available from http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_9xnt/

The other biggest precaution she should take is to install a software 
firewall in addition to the one built into WinXP.  Both McAfee and 
Norton have them for sale.  I use McAfee.

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Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[Darcy James Argue]

Mark,
In addition to using Firefox instead of IE, she should also download 
and install Microsoft Anti-Spyware.  Now, it may sound odd to be 
recommending a second Microsoft product to solve the problems caused by 
the first (IE), and the irony isn't lost on anyone -- but MS 
Anti-Spyware was actually developped by a third party, who Microsoft 
bought when they realized they couldn't get their *own* act together on 
the anti-spyware front.  And from all reports so far, it's actually 
good.

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx
- Darcy
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Brooklyn, NY
On 19 Feb 2005, at 4:31 AM, Mark D Lew wrote:
My girlfriend has a WindowsXP system with Internet Explorer, which has 
been terribly buggy for about a month now.  The whole time I've been 
telling her -- with playful exaggeration -- that Microsoft is evil and 
IE is garbage and if she had any sense she'd throw the whole thing out 
and get a real browser.  Tonight, only a few days after a complete 
clean out of her hard drive and reinstallation of everything, which 
was supposed to fix everything, her IE is crashing again.  In despair, 
she has called my bluff.  "OK"", she says to me, "I'll get rid of IE.  
So what should I install instead?"

I'm a lifelong Mac person, and I'm not all that computer-savvy anyway, 
so I'm not very good with practical suggestions.  I know this list has 
plenty of smart PC users who know how to make Windows work without IE. 
 Can someone perhaps tell me what I should suggest to my girlfriend?  
What browser do you recommend instead, and where does she go to 
download and install it?  Are there any other simple precautions that 
can be taken, besides declining to open random exe files that get sent 
to her?  (That much I know, at least.)  She's got a high-speed cable 
connection.

thanks
mdl
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Re: [Finale] Freeze measure widths?

[Mark D Lew]

On Feb 18, 2005, at 11:49 PM, d. collins wrote:
So do I use it all the time to fine-tune the layout, but I wanted to 
point out that it IS affected by music spacing, contrary to what Don 
seemed to say: "If you want to assign a measure a larger width and 
have it not be affected by music spacing".
Apparently, I misunderstood and Don was talking about something 
different.  Sorry, my mistake.

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Re: [Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[Jari Williamsson]

Mark D Lew wrote:
What browser do you recommend instead, and where does she go to download 
and install it?  
Firefox.
http://www.mozilla.org/
And it's available for OSX too...
Best regards,
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Re: [Finale] Freeze measure widths?

[Don Hart]

Dennis,

I'm in 2005 on a Mac.  I'm not sure about 2004 because I upgraded from 2002,
but it sounds like this is new to '05.  We still have the add box in '05;
that's what I tried first and it does change when spacing is applied.

Since I now understand that Mark was talking about a different feature I
just checked to see if negative numbers do work in the Extra Space boxes and
they don't appear to.

Don 


on 2/19/05 12:45 AM, d. collins at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Don Hart écrit:
>> I was about to ask how to do this and tried "one more thing" before asking
>> the list.  Well the one thing worked and I thought some of you might like to
>> know about it.
>> 
>> If you want to assign a measure a larger width and have it not be affected
>> by music spacing, increase the number(s) in the Extra Space boxes in Measure
>> Attributes.  Works like a charm.
> 
> Is this something new in 2005? I have no such box in 2004. I have an Add
> box, which allows me to add to (or subtract from) the width of a measure,
> but then this IS affected by music spacing. If I respace the music, this
> goes back to "normal".
> 
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[Finale] TAN: Internet Explorer

[Mark D Lew]

My girlfriend has a WindowsXP system with Internet Explorer, which has 
been terribly buggy for about a month now.  The whole time I've been 
telling her -- with playful exaggeration -- that Microsoft is evil and 
IE is garbage and if she had any sense she'd throw the whole thing out 
and get a real browser.  Tonight, only a few days after a complete 
clean out of her hard drive and reinstallation of everything, which was 
supposed to fix everything, her IE is crashing again.  In despair, she 
has called my bluff.  "OK"", she says to me, "I'll get rid of IE.  So 
what should I install instead?"

I'm a lifelong Mac person, and I'm not all that computer-savvy anyway, 
so I'm not very good with practical suggestions.  I know this list has 
plenty of smart PC users who know how to make Windows work without IE.  
Can someone perhaps tell me what I should suggest to my girlfriend?  
What browser do you recommend instead, and where does she go to 
download and install it?  Are there any other simple precautions that 
can be taken, besides declining to open random exe files that get sent 
to her?  (That much I know, at least.)  She's got a high-speed cable 
connection.

thanks
mdl
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