Re: [Finale] Traffic
On 24.01.2006 Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: What do folks normally do? Because I do exclusively new music, it's not like I'm a jealous guardian of the original files. I feel like they belong with the composer. On the other hand, I'm not enthused about offering ongoing help in this way, even though this is an occasional but faithful engraving client. I used to refuse to give my files away, but my policy on this has changed. I also use several custom fonts (eg I use my own font for the numbers in first and second endings), so I warn anyone when I hand out the files that it is unlikely that they will be able to use them without problems, and that I am unable to help with missing fonts and the like. I was a little upset a couple of years ago, when I engraved something for a publisher, who then demanded the files, and changed a lot of things. The problem was that with a good eye one can detect the changed places easily, as beams are placed differently, certain aspects of spacing are ignored, the end points of ties collide with staff lines etc. All things I generally spent some time to get them to look right. It made me realize that only very few publishers really have an eye for such things, and for the vast majority it doesn't matter at all. Since then I have decided that, although I will not give up my own perfectionism, I don't really care about what they do with it afterwards. But I also informed them that I do not want my name on it, either. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Traffic
On Jan 25, 2006, at 2:43 AM, Karen wrote: Hi Dennis, I don't let my original files go to anyone. Not because I don't want to let any of my secrets out (I'm happy to help when I can if I have the time) but because ultimately I'm responsible for the end product. There's just too much that can go wrong when the original files are being alteredand according to Murphy's law those things will show up on the scoring stage and that would be bad...very bad Yes, when your name is on it, you WANT to be a control freak, for sure! So I print out PDF's and then post them on my server so that the composer can download and mark up the score as much as they want. They are then picked up from the composer I do the fixes in both the score and parts myself. So this is done in pencil (or pen!) and you get the physical pieces of paper marked up from the composer? This is how I've always done it, too, but it sure would be great to have a way of marking up electronically, as Microsoft Word does, so that the proofs could just be sent back over the Internet. Scanning and faxing lose detail and colour, if someone uses coloured pens as most of my clients do. I suppose musical notation stickies would be just too complex... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Traffic
I don't have it myself but I believe the full Acrobat program will allow you to do this. I sent pdf proofs to one client and got them emailed back marked in red - even cross-platform, he's on PC and I'm on Mac. JR On 1/25/06 7:50 AM, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I print out PDF's and then post them on my server so that the composer can download and mark up the score as much as they want. They are then picked up from the composer I do the fixes in both the score and parts myself. So this is done in pencil (or pen!) and you get the physical pieces of paper marked up from the composer? This is how I've always done it, too, but it sure would be great to have a way of marking up electronically, as Microsoft Word does, so that the proofs could just be sent back over the Internet. Scanning and faxing lose detail and colour, if someone uses coloured pens as most of my clients do. I suppose musical notation stickies would be just too complex... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Traffic
On 1/25/06, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So this is done in pencil (or pen!) and you get the physical pieces of paper marked up from the composer? This is how I've always done it, too, but it sure would be great to have a way of marking up electronically, as Microsoft Word does, so that the proofs could just be sent back over the Internet. Scanning and faxing lose detail and colour, if someone uses coloured pens as most of my clients do. I suppose musical notation stickies would be just too complex... I've been toying with the idea of using a MusicPad Pro from Freehand Systems for this sort of thing... you should be able to import PDFs into it, write notes and corrections on it, and then use a print to PDF function to get the edits into another file without ever having to print anything out. However, this would work best on projects on which I'm just the editor, because if I wanted to *receive* corrections this way I'd have to make sure the composer or editor had one of these devices. http://freehandsystems.com -- Brad Beyenhof Real-time Finale discussion: http://www.finaleirc.com my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Oboe Joke
I take great delight in reminding my oboist friends that I can replace them with a mute..if you want to really get a rise out of them, tell them that their tuning note was sharp and they should pull out the reed a bit..TCOn Jan 24, 2006, at 10:12 PM, keith helgesen wrote: It seems this conductor rang the local hospital and told the emergency room that his oboe player, who habitually sucked on her reed, had sucked too hard, swallowed it and was choking on it.What should he do? Response came;- “use a muted trumpet” Cheers K Keith Helgesen.Director of Music, Canberra City Band.Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0439-620587Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kurt Gnos Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 9:34 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Oboe Joke I seem to have missed that one. Could you give me the subject/autor, or the joke? Kurt At 21:06 24.01.2006, you wrote: I told the oboe joke – (received from Finale earlier this week) to my concert band. Absolute deadpan _expression_, told as tho reporting a real occurrence. Shock horror on faces- (especially my oboe player’s) till- punchline- “Use muted trumpet” caused such hilarity I had to call an early coffee break. More instrument specific humour please- or even a source thereof! Cheers K Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0439-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Dot spacing
There seems to be an inordinate amount of space between my eighth rests the dot. Changing the dot positions via Document Options moves the dot too close to notes, though the eighth note dot looks OK. Manually changing the dot via Special Tools from 0 to -8 gets the result, but I have to do this for each individual eighth rest. Or do I? Am I missing something? I have read the f-ing manual, and could find no way to change just the eighth note dots. Any help would be appreciated - thanks! Giz ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Traffic
On Jan 25, 2006, at 5:17 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I also use several custom fonts (eg I use my own font for the numbers in first and second endings), so I warn anyone when I hand out the files that it is unlikely that they will be able to use them without problems This is an issue for me for a totally different reason--I have been trying to figure out how to keep the files of my publications alive after my own death. My wife is totally incapable of printing out any but the simplest of them, and giving them to someone else will require providing not just the files, but also my font collection, wh. in turn will require that the recipient have a Mac to be able to use them all. It's a big puzzle and a big headache! Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Giving away original files, was: Re: [Finale] Traffic
Hi all, I'm very much appreciating the responses on this topic so far. I am off for a week without internet access. Read you in February! Dennis -- My latest project: http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/365-2007.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Traffic
At 1/25/2006 12:33 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jan 25, 2006, at 5:17 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I also use several custom fonts (eg I use my own font for the numbers in first and second endings), so I warn anyone when I hand out the files that it is unlikely that they will be able to use them without problems This is an issue for me for a totally different reason--I have been trying to figure out how to keep the files of my publications alive after my own death. It is good that you want to provide for your descendents. Are you that old now? I am asking this because, I am nearing retirement and am having similar issues. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 30, Issue 30
More instrument specific humour please- or even a source thereof! Cheers K Keith Helgesen. -- Never look at the trombones, it only encourages them. - Richard Strauss My sole inspiration is a telephone call from a producer. - Cole Porter Don't bother to look, I've composed all this already. - Gustav Mahler, to Bruno Walter who had stopped to admire mountain scenery in rural Austria. I write [music] as a sow piddles. - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart I would rather play Chiquita Banana and have my swimming pool than play Bach and starve. - Xavier Cugat [Musicians] talk of nothing but money and jobs. Give me businessmen every time. They really are interested in music and art. - Jean Sibelius, explaining why he rarely invited musicians to his home. The amount of money one needs is terrifying... - Ludwig van Beethoven Only become a musician if there is absolutely no other way you can make a living. - Kirke Mecham, on his life as a composer I am not handsome, but when women hear me play, they come crawling to my feet. - Niccoló Paganini Of course I'm ambitious. What's wrong with that? Otherwise you sleep all day. - Ringo Starr Flint must be an extremely wealthy town: I see that each of you bought two or three seats. - Victor Borge, playing to a half-filled house in Flint, Michigan. If one hears bad music it is one's duty to drown it by one's conversation. - Oscar Wilde Critics can't even make music by rubbing their back legs together. - Mel Brooks Life can't be all bad when for ten dollars you can buy all the Beethoven sonatas and listen to them for ten years. - William F. Buckley, Jr. You can't possibly hear the last movement of Beethoven's Seventh and go slow. - Oscar Levant, explaining his way out of a speeding ticket. Wagner's music is better than it sounds. - Mark Twain I love Beethoven, especially the poems. - Ringo Starr If a young man at the age of twenty-three can write a symphony like that, in five years he will be ready to commit murder. - Walter Damrosch on Aaron Copland There are still so many beautiful things to be said in C major. - Sergei Prokofiev I never use a score when conducting my orchestra... Does a lion tamer enter a cage with a book on how to tame a lion? - Dimitri Mitropolous God tells me how the music should sound, but you stand in the way. - Arturo Toscanini to a trumpet player Already too loud! - Bruno Walter at his first rehearsal with an American orchestra, on seeing the players reaching for their instruments. I really don't know whether any place contains more pianists than Paris, or whether you can find more asses and virtuosos anywhere. - Frederic Chopin When she started to play, Steinway himself came down personally and rubbed his name off the piano. - Bob Hope, on comedienne Phyllis Diller In opera, there is always too much singing. - Claude Debussy Oh how wonderful, really wonderful opera would be if there were no singers! - Gioacchino Rossini Movie music is noise. It's even more painful than my sciatica. - Sir Thomas Beecham I think popular music in this country is one of the few things in the twentieth century that have made giant strides in reverse. - Bing Crosby Theirs [the Beatles] is a happy, cocky, belligerently resourceless brand of harmonic primitivism...In the Liverpudlian repertoire, the indulgent amateurishness of the musical material, though closely rivaled by the indifference of the performing style, is actually surpassed only by the ineptitude of the studio production method. (Strawberry Fields suggests a chance encounter at a mountain wedding between Claudio Monteverdi and a jug band.) - Glenn Gould It's pretty clear now that what looked like it might have been some kind of counterculture is, in reality, just the plain old chaos of undifferentiated weirdness. - Jerry Garcia ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Traffic
Phil Daley wrote: At 1/25/2006 12:33 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jan 25, 2006, at 5:17 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I also use several custom fonts (eg I use my own font for the numbers in first and second endings), so I warn anyone when I hand out the files that it is unlikely that they will be able to use them without problems This is an issue for me for a totally different reason--I have been trying to figure out how to keep the files of my publications alive after my own death. It is good that you want to provide for your descendents. Are you that old now? I am asking this because, I am nearing retirement and am having similar issues. Turn them into PDF files -- you could do it as either one huge PDF of score and parts (you'll have to do some combining of PDF files to accomplish this) or create a PDF of the score and one of each part. PDF files are easy to create, easy to print, if you embed the fonts you won't have to worry about what computer they're printed from. Then prepare a clear step-by-step process for anybody to follow who may want to print them out. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Traffic
Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jan 25, 2006, at 5:17 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I also use several custom fonts (eg I use my own font for the numbers in first and second endings), so I warn anyone when I hand out the files that it is unlikely that they will be able to use them without problems This is an issue for me for a totally different reason--I have been trying to figure out how to keep the files of my publications alive after my own death. My wife is totally incapable of printing out any but the simplest of them, and giving them to someone else will require providing not just the files, but also my font collection, wh. in turn will require that the recipient have a Mac to be able to use them all. It's a big puzzle and a big headache! Take the time to create PDF files now -- they're easy to print, are likely to be a file format that will survive for quite a long while, and you can control how they're setup (password protection or not, page layout, whatever.) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Traffic
On 25.01.2006 dhbailey wrote: Take the time to create PDF files now -- they're easy to print, are likely to be a file format that will survive for quite a long while, and you can control how they're setup (password protection or not, page layout, whatever.) I very much agree, and it looks like PDF will be one of the longer liver file formats. However, if you really want to save them, don't rely on CD-Rs, or DVD-Rs for that matter. I just heard a feature in the radio where they had someone who seemed to know something about it, and he said CD-Rs are unlikely to last more than 10 years without errors, and he would recommend to re-copy them every 2 to 3 years. Kind of worrying! Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Traffic
So this is done in pencil (or pen!) and you get the physical pieces of paper marked up from the composer? This is how I've always done it, too, but it sure would be great to have a way of marking up electronically, as Microsoft Word does, so that the proofs could just be sent back over the Internet. Scanning and faxing lose detail and colour, if someone uses coloured pens as most of my clients do. I suppose musical notation stickies would be just too complex... Hi Christopher, Yes, I get the physical scores back marked up with, if I'm lucky, *red* pencil or pen. Some composers still like to make changes to physical pieces of paper which I can certainly understand. I've also had composers request the scores be printed out first and then sent to them for final changes too. We use messengers like crazy here 'cause LA is so big we just don't have the time to get in the car and do all that driving. I kinda like the idea of a messenger though anyway. I think if there is a budget for it, using a messenger is very professional. I proofread my scores from actual print outs still too. I guess I still feel like I get a better feel for things is I'm looking at paper rather than a computer screen. But, as John and Brad mentioned there are other ways of making changes electronically As far a the fax machines gowell, I'm sure we all have stories about what we have had to copy from when a fax machine was involved!! :-) But we still use 'em here if absolutely necessary because of time! Cannon has a line of tabloid size scanners that have sheet feeders which we use to scan hand written scores into PDFs to put on our server and the quality is really actually pretty good. Hope all is well! -Karen Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Traffic
Indeed, I've heard this as well. However, I had a bunch of CDRs that had archived stuff from 1997 up till 2003. In 2003 I bought a DVD recorder, and transferred all the CDRs to DVD. I remember only 2 discs having problems, and one was rather scratched up. But then again, I had 2 copies of each back up, so all was well. About 1/3 the number of discs putting them on DVD. I imagine in a couple more years I'll be buying whatever the next thing is and doing the process all over again... Johannes Gebauer wrote: I very much agree, and it looks like PDF will be one of the longer liver file formats. However, if you really want to save them, don't rely on CD-Rs, or DVD-Rs for that matter. I just heard a feature in the radio where they had someone who seemed to know something about it, and he said CD-Rs are unlikely to last more than 10 years without errors, and he would recommend to re-copy them every 2 to 3 years. Kind of worrying! Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Oboe Joke
Now that was good! ;-) Lon Price wrote: A tenor sax player dies and finds himself in Hell. He meets Satan, who tells him to report to the equipment room to pick out a horn. The tenor player spends a few hundred years (he's got eternity, right?) picking out the perfect Selmer Mark VI tenor, the perfect mouthpiece and reed. Finally, he's ready for the first rehearsal. It's a big band with the biggest legends in jazz in attendance--Miles is in the trumpet section, Bird is on alto, etc. The charts are swingin', in easy keys, and the band is cookin'! The tenor player leans over to the guy sitting next to him and says, I thought this was Hell. Sure seems like Heaven to me so far. The guy says, No, it's Hell, alright. You don't get no solos! Lon Price, Los Angeles [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.txstnr.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
TAN Re: [Finale] Oboe Joke - Variiations on the musician afterlife joke
OK, so I've heard a lot of versions of Lon's joke. It started me on a memory and Internet search for variations on the Musician Afterlife Joke. Lon Price wrote: A tenor sax player dies and finds himself in Hell. He meets Satan, who tells him to report to the equipment room to pick out a horn. The tenor player spends a few hundred years (he's got eternity, right?) picking out the perfect Selmer Mark VI tenor, the perfect mouthpiece and reed. Finally, he's ready for the first rehearsal. It's a big band with the biggest legends in jazz in attendance--Miles is in the trumpet section, Bird is on alto, etc. The charts are swingin', in easy keys, and the band is cookin'! The tenor player leans over to the guy sitting next to him and says, I thought this was Hell. Sure seems like Heaven to me so far. The guy says, No, it's Hell, alright. You don't get no solos! - Recently deceased blues guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughan comes to after his death. He sees Jimi Hendrix sitting next to him, tuning his guitar. Holy cow, he thinks to himself, this guy is my idol. Over at the microphone, about to sing, are Jim Morrison and Janis Joplin, and the bassist is the late Barry Oakley of the Allman Brothers. So Stevie Ray's thinking, Oh, wow! I've died and gone to rock and roll heaven. Just then, Karen Carpenter walks in, sits down at the drums, and says: `Close to You.' Hit it, boys! -- so this musician dies and goes to hell. The devil is delighted to see him and comes to the gates to pick him up in a limo. The musician looks in the back seat and there's a beautiful new Bach trumpet with his name etched on the bell. Where are we going?, he asks. Well, if you don't mind, says the devil, there's a gig tonight and I'd like you to sit in. Fine, the musician says and a few minutes later they pull up to a sold-out show in a massive stadium packed with cheering fans. The musician takes his place on stage and as he looks to the front of the stage he sees that Sara Vaughn is the singer. Then he looks over sees that Tony Williams is on drums, Joe Pass is playing guitar and J J Johnson is on trombone. Wow, what a lineup, he says to the devil, Am I really in hell? Yup, the devil replies. Satan turns to the band and says, OK, band, on the count of three... 'Tie a Yellow Ribbon... - The sax player died and went to heaven. After he entered the pearly gates, he was directed by St. Peter to the local jazz band's rehearsal studio. When he walked into the studio, the sax player was overjoyed to see that in the sax section were John Coltrane, Cannonball Adderly, and Gerry Mulligan. The rest of the group was made up of equally great players, including the leader of the band, Duke Ellington. The sax player was so overcome with joy at the prospect of playing with such great musicians he exclaimed to Duke, What a band! It must be great to conduct a group like this! Duke Ellington replied, Yeah. Well...It's okay, I guess. The sax player was shocked. He asked, How can you say that? This band has all of the greatest musicians there ever were! What's wrong? Duke Ellington replied, Well, you see...God's got this girlfriend, and she sings... --- A musician dies and goes to heaven. He meets Jimi Hendrix, Elvis Presley, John Lennon - and then he sees Bono flying by. Hey, the musician says, I didn't know Bono was dead! He's not, Elvis replies. That's God - He likes to pretend he's Bono. --- (I had heard a similar one with an orchestra full of famous classical musicians, but the conductor isn't very good Who's that? That's God. He thinks he's Herbert von Karajan.) This British one is quite different. I seem to remember a joke like this, not involving musicians, from way, way back in my childhood: A musician dies and goes to hell. Shown into the room for musicians, he sees they are all stood around drinking and having a smoke, albeit stood in a pool of sewerage. He thinks that's not too bad. just then a voice shouts tea-break over! Back on yer heads, lads! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
