Re: [Finale] another simple (I hope!) question
Katherine Hoover wrote: I generally print on legal paper, in order to eventually have pieces done on 9 x 12 paper at the printer. This means I have to work with systems rather freely at times. At the moment I'm doing a piece for two pianos, and need to get 3 systems on a page (3 groups of 4 staves.) I cannot seem to move the second system at all, and those some others will move and some will not. I took the time to try various things under the page layout tool, but I was not able to solve the problem. Again for some reason this was not a problem in my old Finale program. Also the movement I just finished I was able somehow to work with. But it is patently clear that I don't really KNOW what works and what doesn't, and I'm wasting a lot of time messing around. Any help would be MUCH appreciated. Make sure that the option in Page Layout to evenly space all systems on the page is turned off -- that way you can move the systems wherever you want them up and down on the page. With it turned on, the bottom system will always have it's bottom margin at the bottom margin of the page, and the top system will have its top margin at the top margin of the page. I can understand your desire to get the music to print more easily on 9x12 paper, but you could create the music at a slightly smaller percentage on 8.5x11 paper and then simply zoom when you print to get the music to fit the 9x12 paper as you want. That way the shape of the paper remains the same and what looks nice on the 8.5x11 paper will still look nice on the 9x12 paper. I think the increase to set the zoom at is only something like 105% or so (I haven't done it in a while) and thus won't introduce any ugly artifacts which can occur when you do a larger percentage increase. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Editing
David W. Fenton wrote: On 13 Feb 2009 at 16:07, dhbailey wrote: Of course the player you saw may have been playing a pocket trumpet which is simply a regular Bb trumpet, predominently cylindrical bore and all, full length but just wrapped around more so it's short enough to fit into a pocket. Not that people wear coats with pockets that large any more. That would make no sense, given that he had a normal Bb trumpet that he also played by itself. He also played the strange trumpet by itself, and it seemed to have a mellower sound than the Bb, which would suggest that it might very well have been a cornet. The combo as a whole was really quite good -- all the players were excellent (but especially the guitarist). I felt fortunate to have had my train delayed so that I got the opportunity to hear them play 3 different pieces. I certainly can't argue with you, since you were there and I wasn't, but pocket trumpets do have a more mellow tone than a normally shaped trumpet because of the extra wraps in the tubing. And I can understand his desire to use a cornet or a pocket trumpet when playing with the two instruments in order to make holding them up more comfortable, since the arm holding the cornet/trumpet wouldn't be as much extended in front as with a traditionally shaped trumpet. In any event, that sort of incident you describe, a moment of musical wonder and beauty in the midst of the hustle and bustle of a big city is one of the very few reasons that I wish I lived in a city. That opportunity to see how vast is the creativity of people is something special! I hope you get to see them again! -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Editing
Richard Yates wrote: (It's the same with images. If someone sends you a JPG that you plan to edit repeatedly, you should first open it and save it as a TIF, and then make all your edits to the TIF. When you're done editing, you can export the TIF as a JPG for portability, keeping your source TIF for any further changes. If you edit and save as JPG, you incur loss and introduce artifacts each time.) As I said in another post, I think this is incorrect, also. David Fenton I have heard the first theory and decided to test it. I opened a high resolution photo in Photoshop and saved it with the maximum compression as a jpg. Then reopened it and saved again with maximum compression. After repeating this seven times I can see no further degradation after the first compression. The file size remains exactly the same also. David Fenton appears to be right. (I have no idea if this applies to mp3s, though.) I wonder if this is because there has been standardization of the data that is tossed in the compression, so that if that specific data isn't in the picture anymore because it had been tossed in a previous compression, it isn't there to toss again, and the compression routine won't randomly toss other data just to satisfy the object of compression. Richard, with all those subsequent compression-saves, did the size of the file actually get smaller, or did it remain the same despite additionial compression? -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Editing
Aaron Sherber wrote: [snip] Also -- and I admit this isn't particularly relevant here -- comparing file sizes isn't really an adequate way of comparing the files. You're saying that because one file is only a few bytes bigger or smaller, there can't be much difference between the two. But of course, even if the two JPGs were exactly the same size, the actual data could be wildly different. [snip] While I agree that the actual data within the file could be wildly different between two differently saved files, I would think that opening a file which was originally 100% (zero compression) and then compressing that 50% and saving the file, shouldn't the resulting file be significantly smaller than the original? And then if you open that 50% compressed file and then do a new save at 50% compression, shouldn't this 3rd file be significantly smaller than the 2nd file? But in reality is there a significant difference in additional saves at 50% compression? If there is, then there should be a visible degradation, even if it's only viewable at a percentage such as 200% or more when viewing the newly compressed file. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Editing
On 14.02.2009 dhbailey wrote: While I agree that the actual data within the file could be wildly different between two differently saved files, I would think that opening a file which was originally 100% (zero compression) and then compressing that 50% and saving the file, shouldn't the resulting file be significantly smaller than the original? And then if you open that 50% compressed file and then do a new save at 50% compression, shouldn't this 3rd file be significantly smaller than the 2nd file? But in reality is there a significant difference in additional saves at 50% compression? If there is, then there should be a visible degradation, even if it's only viewable at a percentage such as 200% or more when viewing the newly compressed file. No, this kind of compression always works from the raw data, ie the individual pixels or samples, depending on the media. So recompressing a jpg with the same compression ratio, while making it lower quality, will not make it smaller. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] another simple (I hope!) question
Richard, I'm sure it was just a typo, but editing the system margins can only adjust the space between SYSTEMS, not staves (if she has more than one staff per system, which is certainly the case in a piece for two pianos.) I suspect that her upper system margin is set high. This can be dragged down manually (it's the little box in the upper left corner of the system when Page Layout Tool is selected, and then she can drag the whole system higher. Katherine, I don't know which version of Finale you are using, but all this is covered in the documentation. Check the Encyclopedia under Page Layout. I would further endorse David Bailey's suggestion to create your drafts at 8.5x11 and zoom them up to 9x12 at print time. Any print shop can do this, and you preserve your hard-won and extremely important page layout. I often used to do this by saving as PDF (built into the Mac OS) and bringing a thumb drive with the PDFs on it to the print shop. (Now I have a large-format printer, so it isn't necessary any more.) Christopher On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Richard Yates wrote: Open the file in Scroll View and make sure that there is minimal space above the first staff. Select and drag all staves upwards in Staff Tool if you need to. With Page Layout, edit the system margins to remove extra space between staves. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Katherine Hoover Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:22 PM To: finalelist Subject: [Finale] another simple (I hope!) question I generally print on legal paper, in order to eventually have pieces done on 9 x 12 paper at the printer. This means I have to work with systems rather freely at times. At the moment I'm doing a piece for two pianos, and need to get 3 systems on a page (3 groups of 4 staves.) I cannot seem to move the second system at all, and those some others will move and some will not. I took the time to try various things under the page layout tool, but I was not able to solve the problem. Again for some reason this was not a problem in my old Finale program. Also the movement I just finished I was able somehow to work with. But it is patently clear that I don't really KNOW what works and what doesn't, and I'm wasting a lot of time messing around. Any help would be MUCH appreciated. Thanks, Katherine Hoover ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] another simple (I hope!) question
In the Page Layout menu UNcheck avoid margin collision. JB Sent from my iPhone using my thumbs w/out a spellchecker On Feb 13, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Katherine Hoover khoo...@papagenapress.com wrote: I generally print on legal paper, in order to eventually have pieces done on 9 x 12 paper at the printer. This means I have to work with systems rather freely at times. At the moment I'm doing a piece for two pianos, and need to get 3 systems on a page (3 groups of 4 staves.) I cannot seem to move the second system at all, and those some others will move and some will not. I took the time to try various things under the page layout tool, but I was not able to solve the problem. Again for some reason this was not a problem in my old Finale program. Also the movement I just finished I was able somehow to work with. But it is patently clear that I don't really KNOW what works and what doesn't, and I'm wasting a lot of time messing around. Any help would be MUCH appreciated. Thanks, Katherine Hoover ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Editing
On 14 Feb 2009 at 7:26, dhbailey wrote: In any event, that sort of incident you describe, a moment of musical wonder and beauty in the midst of the hustle and bustle of a big city is one of the very few reasons that I wish I lived in a city. That opportunity to see how vast is the creativity of people is something special! I hope you get to see them again! I asked my roommate about playing two instruments at once (he's a former low brass player), and he said he'd seen it. As I gave him more details about the group, he realized he'd seen the same group in Central Park a few months ago. So, they apparently get around. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] chord suffix problem
I'm using Type Into Score in the Chord tool and trying to type Dbma7/Eb. It types as Db~(#7)/Eb and I can't change it in the Chord Definition box or the Chord Suffix Editor. Any solutions? Thanks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] chord suffix problem
On Feb 14, 2009, at 7:42 PM, trumpe...@verizon.net wrote: I'm using Type Into Score in the Chord tool and trying to type Dbma7/Eb. It types as Db~(#7)/Eb and I can't change it in the Chord Definition box or the Chord Suffix Editor. Any solutions? Thanks. Well, I'm sure you can change it in the Chord Suffix Editor! First of all, have you hit the spacebar after typing that? It won't show up correctly until you move to the next entry. Then try this: Click a note in Type Into Score. Type Db:0 (uppercase D lowercase B colon zero) and hit the spacebar. The Suffix Selector dialogue box comes up. Choose the suffix you want (but take note of what number slot it is in), hit Enter or Return or click OK. If this doesn't work, then you have serious problems. There might be some issue with the screen font and the printing font not being the same. You don't mention the version or platform, so I can't help you there. Then the next time you want that suffix, type Db: and the suffix number, and when you hit the spacebar the suffix with that slot number will show up. Use zero if you don't know the suffix number. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
