[Finale] music-notation apps and chord symbol fonts in teaching

2010-07-13 Thread JClevESM
Fellow Listers:
 
Since I first released ChordSymbol in 1996, I've been trying to encourage  
music instructors (initially music theory teachers, now also jazz arranging  
teachers) to use Finale and Sibelius integrally in their teaching. 
Specifically,  the Rubicon is crossed when daily homework assignments are 
completed 
*digitally*  by students on their own computers using the cheap student 
versions of these  applications.
 
This means students must learn a music-notation app along with the course  
content--not a small thing. But knowing such technology tools should be  con
sidered part of being a professional musician nowadays. And one of those  
tools is, or ought to be (I respectfully suggest), ChordSymbol for traditional 
 music chord symbols and JazzSymbol for commercial music chord symbols. 
They're  both light-years beyond the limited capacity built into the 
music-notation apps  right now when it comes to chord symbol entry, where 
everyone who 
uses these  programs has to build their own custom library of, say, jazz 
suffixes and  tensions, or--still worse--figured bass stacks. With Unicode, 
such libraries can  be built right into a font--ChordSymbol 2 has more than 13 
times the special  symbols that were in ChordSymbol 1. And to the extent 
our fonts become industry  standard, students will have to obtain such a tool 
just once for use in any  application, including word-processing programs 
such as Word.
 
In this context I'm pleased to mention that as of last week, the  next 
editions of both the number 1 and 2 college music theory textbooks will be  
formatted using ChordSymbol 2. I'm working on the commercial sheet music  
publishers and the jazz/pop arranging/harmony/history textbook authors and 
their  
publishers on the commercial side. In fact, we're offering to help produce  
such as complete sets of part-writing exercises in both Sibelius and  Finale 
for these textbooks at low contract rates. We're even trying to set  up a 
share space at our web site where instructors may exchange, at no cost,  
their own sets of custom-produced exercises--that representing in itself a  
revolutionary step forward in music teaching, and a major motivator of this  
posting (do please get in touch with me if you have  materials you'd like to 
contribute). Things change fundamentally when  an 18-year-old music student 
regularly sits down at his or her laptop, completes  a homework assignment 
using one of these programs and a cheaply obtained  copy of one of our fonts 
(listening to their work prior to submission), and then  submits it by email.
 
I've been out of teaching for nearly ten years. Is this sort of thing  
happening more regularly now? I hope so, and not just for commercial reasons.  
The resulting improvement in musical literacy should be dramatic, largely  
due to the wonderful things that these great music-notation apps make 
possible.  Sort of a brave new world of music instruction, which I'd like our  
group 
to be part of in at least a small way.
 
Cheers,  jrc

Dr. John R. Clevenger, Manager
The Virtual  Conservatory
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[Finale] FinWin2010 sound lag?

2010-07-13 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Hi all,

First time actually working Finale 2010 (Windows XP Pro SP3)

I'm having a problem with increasing sound lag. The more I use the program,
the more the sound lags behind the note entry or playback. After about 15
minutes, the sound lags 5+ seconds.

I'm just using the basic play Finale through Midi setting.

If I exit and restart Finale, the problem goes away, but slowly recurs.

Any clues?

Thanks,
Dennis



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Re: [Finale] FinWin2010 sound lag?

2010-07-13 Thread Noel Stoutenburg

Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

Hi all,

First time actually working Finale 2010 (Windows XP Pro SP3)

I'm having a problem with increasing sound lag. The more I use the program,
the more the sound lags behind the note entry or playback. After about 15
minutes, the sound lags 5+ seconds.

I'm just using the basic play Finale through Midi setting.

If I exit and restart Finale, the problem goes away, but slowly recurs.

Any clues?


Without details of your system, I can't be of too much help. Based upon 
what you describe, though, first question, is how much installed memory, 
and what else is going on in the background when you try to play back?


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Re: [Finale] FinWin2010 sound lag?

2010-07-13 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Tue, July 13, 2010 4:28 pm, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
 Without details of your system, I can't be of too much help. Based upon
 what you describe, though, first question, is how much installed memory,
 and what else is going on in the background when you try to play back?

That's the thing. Nothing but the usual background tasks.

This is WinXP Pro SP3, Intel Core Duo 3GHz, 2GB Ram, Nvidia GeForce 9400
driving two 22-inch displays (one landscape, one portrait), Saffire Pro-40
8-channel outboard audio. The system was custom-built for me less than a year
ago for audio. Finale 2007 works fine, no lags even with Garritan stuff
running. No other audio or video application shows the slightest problem.

But Finale consistently begins to lag, sometimes playing a whole crunch of
notes 10-15 seconds later as it catches up. I just tested it on Garritan stuff
and same problem. The display shows the cursor moving for playback normally.

I've had to restart Finale about every 20 minutes.

Thanks for any insights!

Dennis



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Re: [Finale] FinWin2010 sound lag?

2010-07-13 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Tue, July 13, 2010 4:28 pm, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
 Without details of your system, I can't be of too much help. Based upon what
you describe, though, first question, is how much installed memory, and what
else is going on in the background when you try to play back?


Two more bits of info.

If the document is closed and re-opened, it will play again. Finale itself
doesn't have to be restarted.

If I have Finale play a few measures and then just leave it alone for 10
minutes, the next time I come back, there is a long lag. If I close and
re-open the file, let it play once, and come back quite a while (about 20+
minutes), it no longer plays at all, and I have to re-open the document.

So whatever is happening starts with the first play and just keeps going.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] FinWin2010 sound lag?

2010-07-13 Thread Noel Stoutenburg

Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:


I'm just using the basic play Finale through Midi setting.


More details, please, about your play Finale through MIDI settings. 
What are you using as a playback device, softsynth (whose), or some 
other method? For example, I've got Finale 2010 on WIN XP SP3 set up to 
playback through MIDI, but the MIDI playback is through a USB audio 
device. If through a USB audio device, is the device plugged directly 
into the machine, or is it through a hub?



If the document is closed and re-opened, it will play again.


Does the same behavior occur with all documents, or only specific 
one(s)? If you have any earlier version of Finale installed, what 
happens if you save one of the offending files as a MIDI file, load it 
into the earlier version, and try to play it back? What happens if you 
load a document into an earlier version, save it as a MIDI file, load 
the MIDI file into 2010, and try to play it back?


At some point recently, MakeMusic changed the MIDI engine, and I have 
problems with MIDI files which play correctly in earlier versions, and 
do not play correctly in 2010. In my case, the issue is not a playback 
lag; if multiple voices are assigned to the same MIDI channel, not all 
MIDI off signals get processed correctly, so I wind up with tone 
clusters which do not terminate when the piece ends. The only option is 
to turn off the (external, USB connected) device, and turn it back on.


ns
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