Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?
Why must it be either/or? Fix the bugs, keep adding notation capability, keep improving playback, let it tie my shoes if it wants to. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:53 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote: > +3 > >> >> >> +2 >> >> On 31/07/2012, at 12:24 AM, Dick Hauser wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >>> I cannot see myself ever producing a finished audio product within Finale, so I'd rather see them put that effort into fixing the many bugs and annoyances in the basic product. >> > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?
On a purely philosophical plane it doesn't have to be either/or. But on a practical level, it seems that it has to be either/or because as they have added and improved higher quality playback, they longstanding bugs haven't been resolved. But I have a sneaking suspicion that they haven't been resolved because with the current very old source code base, the long standing bugs simply can't be resolved. So the thought of investors buying the company and infusing a lot of money into rewriting the code to bring it up to current computing levels is a good one. On the other hand, the amount they're talking about investing might not be sufficient to do the job properly. Only time will tell. David H. Bailey On 7/31/2012 4:41 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: > Why must it be either/or? > > Fix the bugs, keep adding notation capability, keep improving > playback, let it tie my shoes if it wants to. > > > Raymond Horton > Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC > Composer, Arranger > VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:53 AM, Jonathan Smith > wrote: >> +3 >> >>> >>> >>> +2 >>> >>> On 31/07/2012, at 12:24 AM, Dick Hauser wrote: >>> +1 On Jul 29, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > I cannot see myself ever producing a finished audio product within > Finale, so I'd rather see them put that effort into fixing the many bugs > and annoyances in the basic product. >>> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Ties into second endings
This is something that has always bugged me. There are many cases where the last note before an ending ties, and the tie goes into the first note of BOTH the first and second ending. In fact, that is the normal case of a tie. In my view, it is invalid to right a tie going into the first ending if the tie doesn't also go into the second ending. The normal way of notating this is to show "the right half of the tie" going into the first note of the second ending. But Finale doesn't do this. It seems that it should be automatic. It would seem to be very straightforward to say "If an ending begins with a note and the measure before the ending ended with a tie, then draw the right end of the tie going into the ending." I cannot find any option that does this. Am I missing something? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings
It usually works for me to enter Opt./= on the first note of the second ending. That is supposed to put a backwards half tie on the note and usually does. There have been times (perhaps with older updated files) where that doesn't work, and I have to use a hand slur adjusted to resemble the ties. Chuck On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > This is something that has always bugged me. There are many cases where > the last note before an ending ties, and the tie goes into the first > note of BOTH the first and second ending. In fact, that is the normal > case of a tie. In my view, it is invalid to right a tie going into the > first ending if the tie doesn't also go into the second ending. > > The normal way of notating this is to show "the right half of the tie" > going into the first note of the second ending. But Finale doesn't do > this. It seems that it should be automatic. It would seem to be very > straightforward to say "If an ending begins with a note and the measure > before the ending ended with a tie, then draw the right end of the tie > going into the ending." > > I cannot find any option that does this. Am I missing something? > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 1012B: Controlling automatic range detection
Absolutely. I love the feature, although I am generally familiar with instrument ranges. It is a very nice assist, but it would be even better if I could make a few adjustments to the instrument ranges. On 7/30/2012 12:30 PM, John Howell wrote: > Of course! But it is somewhat useful when I've transposed something, > and not proof-read it closely enough to catch impossible notes. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings
Another way that often (but not always) works is to option-click in the 1st measure of the 2nd ending (in the Speedy Tool) and check the "Tie End" box in the geeky window that opens up. John Blane Blane Music Preparation 1649 Huntington Ln. Highland Park, IL 60035 847 579-9900 847 579-9903 fax www.BlaneMusic.com j...@blanemusic.com On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: > It usually works for me to enter Opt./= on the first note of the second > ending. That is supposed to put a backwards half tie on the note and usually > does. > > There have been times (perhaps with older updated files) where that doesn't > work, and I have to use a hand slur adjusted to resemble the ties. > > Chuck > > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > >> This is something that has always bugged me. There are many cases where >> the last note before an ending ties, and the tie goes into the first >> note of BOTH the first and second ending. In fact, that is the normal >> case of a tie. In my view, it is invalid to right a tie going into the >> first ending if the tie doesn't also go into the second ending. >> >> The normal way of notating this is to show "the right half of the tie" >> going into the first note of the second ending. But Finale doesn't do >> this. It seems that it should be automatic. It would seem to be very >> straightforward to say "If an ending begins with a note and the measure >> before the ending ended with a tie, then draw the right end of the tie >> going into the ending." >> >> I cannot find any option that does this. Am I missing something? >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > Chuck Israels > 8831 SE 12th Ave. > Portland, OR 97202-7097 > > land line: (503) 954-2107 > cell phone: (360) 201-3434 > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings
Using the Speedy Entry tool, option-click on the measure in the 2nd ending where you want the tie. This brings up a rather extensive dialog box with many, many checkboxes. At the bottom there is a checkbox option called Tie End. Check it. When you go back to your score, you'll see the tie. I agree Finale should do this automatically. But this option has been available on every version of Finale since v2.0 back in the dark ages (1990s). HTH J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > This is something that has always bugged me. There are many cases where > the last note before an ending ties, and the tie goes into the first > note of BOTH the first and second ending. In fact, that is the normal > case of a tie. In my view, it is invalid to right a tie going into the > first ending if the tie doesn't also go into the second ending. > > The normal way of notating this is to show "the right half of the tie" > going into the first note of the second ending. But Finale doesn't do > this. It seems that it should be automatic. It would seem to be very > straightforward to say "If an ending begins with a note and the measure > before the ending ended with a tie, then draw the right end of the tie > going into the ending." > > I cannot find any option that does this. Am I missing something? > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?
My big worry about any takeover of MakeMusic is that the same thing will happen to Finale that happened to Concertware back when Jump music bought it from Great Wave software. It turned out that Jump was only interested in Concertware to use as the engine for a piano tutorial program and they essentially abandoned the original product. It was nothing like Finale (or Sibelius) as a music typesetting program, but served my needs quite well for music playback and making practice tapes for the choir I sing with. I used my last upgraded version of Concertware for years until I could no longer get a computer with an operating system that would run it, then I switched over to FInale. Now that I have learned to use Finale reasonably well, I would hate to go through the same thing all over again. What alternatives do we have these days? Both Concertware and Sibelius are gone or on the way out and now Finale is under threat. Clif Ashcraft ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings
I just tried both ways and they both work; however, I think Chuck's method is way cooler and I never heard that one before! Thank you, Chuck! Michael mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ > > From: Chuck Israels >To: finale@shsu.edu >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:34 AM >Subject: Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings > >It usually works for me to enter Opt./= on the first note of the second >ending. That is supposed to put a backwards half tie on the note and usually >does. > >There have been times (perhaps with older updated files) where that doesn't >work, and I have to use a hand slur adjusted to resemble the ties. > >Chuck > > >On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > >> This is something that has always bugged me. There are many cases where >> the last note before an ending ties, and the tie goes into the first >> note of BOTH the first and second ending. In fact, that is the normal >> case of a tie. In my view, it is invalid to right a tie going into the >> first ending if the tie doesn't also go into the second ending. >> >> The normal way of notating this is to show "the right half of the tie" >> going into the first note of the second ending. But Finale doesn't do >> this. It seems that it should be automatic. It would seem to be very >> straightforward to say "If an ending begins with a note and the measure >> before the ending ended with a tie, then draw the right end of the tie >> going into the ending." >> >> I cannot find any option that does this. Am I missing something? >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >Chuck Israels >8831 SE 12th Ave. >Portland, OR 97202-7097 > >land line: (503) 954-2107 >cell phone: (360) 201-3434 > > > > >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?
On 7/31/2012 2:24 PM, Clif Ashcraft wrote: > My big worry about any takeover of MakeMusic is that the same thing > will happen to Finale that happened to Concertware back when Jump > music bought it from Great Wave software. It turned out that Jump > was only interested in Concertware to use as the engine for a piano > tutorial program and they essentially abandoned the original product. > It was nothing like Finale (or Sibelius) as a music typesetting > program, but served my needs quite well for music playback and making > practice tapes for the choir I sing with. I used my last upgraded > version of Concertware for years until I could no longer get a > computer with an operating system that would run it, then I switched > over to FInale. Now that I have learned to use Finale reasonably > well, I would hate to go through the same thing all over again. What > alternatives do we have these days? Both Concertware and Sibelius > are gone or on the way out and now Finale is under threat. Clif > Who says that Sibelius gone or on the way out? It's a big profit center for Avid and just because they've consolidated the development into another already existing development office that's no reason to consider it a dead or dying product. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?
David, My understanding is that Sibelius won't be retaining the core group of staff who have helped shape the software over the past 15 years. Instead, Avid will be outsourcing continued development of Sibelius to programmers in Eastern Europe, in a pure cost-cutting move. That doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the future of the product. The most important asset any piece of software has are the human beings who helped develop it, and if those people aren't being retained, then it's hard to see how the software will continue to move in a positive direction. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 31 Jul 2012, at 5:16 PM, David H. Bailey wrote: > On 7/31/2012 2:24 PM, Clif Ashcraft wrote: >> My big worry about any takeover of MakeMusic is that the same thing >> will happen to Finale that happened to Concertware back when Jump >> music bought it from Great Wave software. It turned out that Jump >> was only interested in Concertware to use as the engine for a piano >> tutorial program and they essentially abandoned the original product. >> It was nothing like Finale (or Sibelius) as a music typesetting >> program, but served my needs quite well for music playback and making >> practice tapes for the choir I sing with. I used my last upgraded >> version of Concertware for years until I could no longer get a >> computer with an operating system that would run it, then I switched >> over to FInale. Now that I have learned to use Finale reasonably >> well, I would hate to go through the same thing all over again. What >> alternatives do we have these days? Both Concertware and Sibelius >> are gone or on the way out and now Finale is under threat. Clif >> > > Who says that Sibelius gone or on the way out? It's a big profit center > for Avid and just because they've consolidated the development into > another already existing development office that's no reason to consider > it a dead or dying product. > > > > > -- > David H. Bailey > dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
