Re: [Finale] REPEAT SIGN INSIDE A BAR

[John Witmer]

I've used the app that allows an "internal" repeat sign many times. It is quite 
flexible. Don't bother with trying to move a regular repeat sign. You might get 
it to work, but why bother when the answer is so easy.
Chordially, John

On 3/29/2017 2:43:28 PM, dr.a.s. weinstangel  wrote:
Thank you!

I've also figured out that possibility.

Was just hoping that there was a way of placing it "after the barline" like a 
clef, or dragging it to a location:-)



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> On Mar 29, 2017, at 1:03 PM, "j...@thomastudios.com" wrote:
>
> I’ve done this occasionally, and the only way I’ve been able to achieve it is 
> my creating a measure expression and placing it in the file. If it’s a score 
> with multiple staves, use an expression set for All Staves. It’s a bit of a 
> kludge, but it does work.
>
>
> ***
> J D Thomas
> ThomaStudios
>
>
>
>> On Mar 29, 2017, at 6:40 AM, dr.a.s. weinstangel wrote:
>>
>> Dear all;
>>
>>
>> Never encountered this little problem before:
>>
>>
>> How would you go about placing a repeat sign in the middle of a measure?
>>
>>
>> TIA for your help.
>>
>>
>> Dr.A.S.Weinstangel
>>
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Re: [Finale] finale development team - time spent...

[John Witmer]

To all you professional musicians, a very large number of Finale users are NOT 
professional musicians. I do quite a bit of notation for non-professional 
singers. They really appreciate the courtesy accidentals (by the way, I have a 
good friend who sincerely believes they should be called "intentionals" rather 
than "accidentals".) Many of you regard the time you spent learning to be a 
"professional musician" entitles you to be more than a little proud. Does it 
really entitle you to look down your nose at an amateur who may have worked 
just as hard to learn the rudiments of music without ever getting a single 
dollar to show for it?
Please don't take this note as an insult; I really appreciate all the comments 
from this group.
John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Community

On 12/9/2016 12:25:00 PM, Raymond Horton <horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
some of you folks need to buy a sense of humor!

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016


On Dec 9, 2016 9:38 AM, "Christopher Smith"
wrote:

> I don’t use parenthesized courtesy accidentals any more, either, because
> of lack of legibility. Yet, even a non-parenthesized one is kind of a
> confirmation of “yes this note is meant” since it would otherwise be
> superfluous.
>
> I guess all I’m saying is we’re writing for humans, not a rigorous,
> all-seeing machine. I see no problem with notating that way. I learned that
> partly from you!
>
> C
>
>
> > On Dec 9, 2016, at 9:24 AM, SN jef chippewa
> shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On issues of notation, I always take everything jef says as if it was
> gospel.
> >
> > are you sure that is a good idea? ;-)
> >
>
> Yes. No winky-face.
>
>
> > for new music i never use parentheses for accis.
> > if there is a need, i put the full-size acci; i
> > don't work with key sigs so very very rarely ever
> > encounter a case where it could be useful. my
> > fonts include them (accis + parentheses) but only
> > because i know this is standard in classical and
> > jazz notation.
> >
> > sure, there is no system that is failproof but i aim towards it...
> >
> >
> >> However, a parenthesized courtesy accidental is
> >> a prime example of a notation saying ³this is
> >> not a typo² and a non-parenthesized one is
> >> similar. I sometimes put the eyeglasses glyph
> >> over a passage that is likely to make musicians
> >> look twice, in order to make them look twice and
> >> improve the chances that they will perform it
> >> correctly (this is jazz notation). I think there
> >> are notations that are more authoritarian and
> >> less authoritarian. jef, you must deal with
> >> degrees of aleatoric-ness all the time, no?
> >>
> >> Christopher
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 7:17 AM, SN jef chippewa
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> this issue of apologetic notation is one i come
> >>> across often, more commonly in north america but
> >>> also in europe. i can't speak for jazz
> >>> charts/musicians, but if you are working with
> >>> professional musicians, you MUST take it for
> >>> granted they know what the hell a bartók pizz is,
> >>> or a quarter tone.
> >>>
> >>> no musician working professionally today and
> >>> playing new music can justify ignorance of these
> >>> (and a host of other) basic things.
> >>>
> >>> what happens when the composer notates everything
> >>> is that the musician has to read a novel to
> >>> discover the one thing that is unique or special
> >>> to the composer/notation and given some don't
> >>> read the legend anyways (!) you are making it
> >>> even more likely your notation explanations won't
> >>> get read. at least until after the rehearsals
> >>> without the composer present.
> >>>
> >>> when you overannotate you can also come across as
> >>> condescending to musicians who know what the hell
> >>> a bartók pizz is. again, if they know it and see
> >>> it in your legend, they can easily assume they
> >>> don't need to read any further because you have
> >>> written a score for newbies or high school bands,
> >>> which you should NEVER do.
> >>>
> >>> if the musicians you are working with are
> >>> inexper

Re: [Finale] Reliable way to combine multiple files

[John Witmer]

Robert,
I need your advice. I'm in the process of completing a 200 song compendium 
using Finale 2014.5  When it is finished, (I promised it would be ready "early" 
in 2017), I'll need to merge the individual charts for a single document. This 
is for the sole use of a retirement community, but they'll need about 100 
copies. I believe I have volunteers who will fund the printing, but I need to 
get good copy. 

Now, is Finale 25 good enough to undertake this task, or should I finish it 
with Finale 2014.5? Either way, I'm afraid it will be a real chore. If all else 
fails, I'll have to print 200 separate charts and collate them. This will be 
hard because I need to print most pages "back-to-back" to keep the total size 
less than an unabridged dictionary.

Your advice would be gratefully appreciated.
Chordially,
John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Community.

On 12/9/2016 5:35:12 PM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
I've been messing with the Score Merger function in Finale 25. It does a
halfway decent job, but

1. It fails to copy lyric baseline adjustments (and I would guess probably
expression baseline adjustments as well).
2. It idiotically goes nuts if a bar has too many beats (like a hard whole
rest in a 2/4 bar, which is frequently required for L1/L2 parts).
3. It makes a mess of lyric text.
4. It doesn't know how to create percussion staves that match the source
file, so percussion is a mess.

Does anyone know a better way?
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[Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[John Witmer]

Doesn't anyone have an opinion on the Finale 25 upgrade? For or against, I'd 
really like to know what you think of this version. I'm currently using Windows 
10 with Finale 2014.5 and it seems ok.
Chordially,
John
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Re: [Finale] Scanning, what to do now?

[John Witmer]

Yes, but how do you scan into Finale from a 3rd party scanner?
John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Community

On 9/26/2016 10:10:16 AM, Eric Dannewitz <ericd...@jazz-sax.com> wrote:
Well, to be fair, makemusic is owned by a company who also owns Alfred music, 
which is like one of the biggest music publishers in the world.so.

Plus, there are plenty of third party programs that do a better job of scanning.

Sent from my iSomething
--


> On Sep 26, 2016, at 6:32 AM, Craig Sylvern wrote:
>
> Thanks David!! Hcletfs seec I think Ifll spend $149 to have to go 
> through more steps to get my work done. Wowctherefs a good business 
> strategy. I know thatfs a little snarky but, to be honest, Ifm getting very 
> tired of all the workarounds I have to do with Finale these days. Sibelius 
> isnft much better. Maybe Ifll go back to paper and ink. [sigh]
>
> CS
>
>
>> On 25 Sep 2016, at 5:57 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:
>>
>> On 9/25/2016 5:41 PM, Craig Sylvern wrote:
>>> First, please forgive me if this topic has had an exhaustive discussion. I 
>>> havenft had the opportunity to read the postings for a little while. With 
>>> that being said. . . I do a lot of transcribing of solos and ensemble 
>>> pieces for my saxophone students. If the original is printed Ifll scan it 
>>> and import into Finale. Most of the time that yields pretty workable 
>>> results. With the introduction of Finale v25 theyfve removed scanning. 
>>> What options do I have now beside entering in everything with Simple or 
>>> Speedy entry?
>>>
>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>
>>
>> Scan it using an earlier version of Finale, save as MusicXML, import that 
>> into Finale v25.
>>
>> --
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Re: [Finale] flat seventh chord

[John Witmer]

Am I missing something from your question, or is this a simple dominant
seventh, the basic tool of harmonic progression?
John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Community

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Raymond Horton
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:03 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] flat seventh chord

I seem to recall the term subtonic 7th?
On Mar 12, 2016 8:32 AM, "dc" <den...@free.fr> wrote:

> Not Finale related, but I'm sure most of you will know what a " flat 
> seventh chord" is. I asked Google, and got various answers. Is this a 
> B flat major chord in C major, for instance?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dennis
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Re: [Finale] Igor Engraver Classic

[John Witmer]

Hey Barbara,
My records show the bracket natural to be Maestro font shift-n.
John.

- Original Message - 
From: Barbara Touburg btoub...@online.nl
To: Finale @ SHSU finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 1:22 PM
Subject: [Finale] Igor Engraver Classic


 I'm using this font for the accidentals, but I really can't find the 
 natural between brackets. I'm finding it hard to believe that is isn't 
 there. Could it be that my font file is corrupt? Where, oh, where is the 
 bracketed natural?
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[Finale] Changing the measure number in playback controls

[John Witmer]

Hey Finale lovers (haters?)

Do you know of a way to change the color in the measure numbers in the 
playback contols?
When reviewing a chart, it is always useful to play it back to catch any 
obvious errors.
This usually means starting and stopping and frequently changing the measure 
where you want
to start playback. When I start to change the measure number in the playback 
controls, Finale *
changes the number color to blue which makes it very difficult for these old 
eyes to read . Do
any of you expert engravers know how to change this? Black on orange would 
be great, but
I'd settle for a simple black on white.

Chordially, John

John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Center
Clemson, SC

* I use Fin 2012 Windows 

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[Finale] Phantom playback notes

[John Witmer]

How do you clear phantom playback notes. When playing back a short
experiment, I hear phantom notes. That is notes are played that are
not in the current score.
I presume they are leftovers from previous note selections, 
but they have nothing to do with the current chart.

John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Center
Clemson, SC
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Re: [Finale] Phantom playback notes

[John Witmer]

Problem solved.
I simply turned off Finale and started it again, and low and behold, no phantom 
notes.
Old solution to many problems works again.
Thanks, Jan
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jan Angermüller 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 8:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Phantom playback notes


  John,

  I haven't noticed phantom playback notes yet,
  but I very often have hanging notes:
  notes that didn't receive the note off signal.
  It's a confirmed bug in human playback.

  If these phantom notes always appear at the same position
  in the score and you can't get rid of the, it may help to add
  all notes off-text expressions in these measures.
  Just define an empty text expression with playback set to:
  Type: Controller:  123  (Other then appears in the right drop down menu)
  Set to value: 0

  Jan

  Am 17.01.2015 um 13:58 schrieb John Witmer:
   How do you clear phantom playback notes. When playing back a short
   experiment, I hear phantom notes. That is notes are played that are
   not in the current score.
   I presume they are leftovers from previous note selections,
   but they have nothing to do with the current chart.
  
   John Witmer
   Clemson Downs Retirement Center
   Clemson, SC
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[Finale] Darken staff lines

[John Witmer]

As a 85 year old, I'm having trouble sightreading notes on ledger lines. Is 
there any way to darken the 5 lines of the regular staves so that the ledger 
lines are a little more distinguishable?
Thank you for any help.
John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Center
Clemson, SC
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Re: [Finale] Scrolling payback not working

[John Witmer]

Hey Lee,
Been there, done that! I use Finale '12 Win. Trouble is I can't remember 
exactly what fixed the problem. I can tell you what I did before the problem 
was resolved, but I don't know which fix actually did the trick.
1st; I found the ini files* and deleted them. Caution, this may delete your 
preferences.When you restart Finale it creates new ini files. Then I restarted 
Windows and began Finale again. The scrolling resumed!
You may do better asking the people at MakeMusic for help. Even with the new 
ownership, they still are very helpful.

*ini files:  C:\Documents and Settings\owner\Application Data\MakeMusic\Finale 
2012
FINALE.INI
FINMIDI.INI

Chordially,
John Witmer
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lee Dengler 
  To: Finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 9:06 AM
  Subject: [Finale] Scrolling payback not working


  Hi All,

  Can anyone help me fix my scrolling payback.  It suddenly is not working
  even though it is checked in my playback settings.  I am using Windows 2010
  and 2012 and the problem exists in both versions.

   

  Thanks to anyone who can help.

   

  Lee Dengler

  leedeng...@comcast.net mailto:leedeng...@comcast.net 

   

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Re: [Finale] Tuplet Not Displaying

[John Witmer]

I have a slightly different tuplet problem. When I adjust measure widths to 
make crowed notes more visible, the tuplet brackets (or slurs) don't move with 
the notes. The same thing happens when I move notes within a measure using the 
beat chart in the Measure tool. Usually when sight reading, it is easy to 
identify the tuplet group, but sometimes the misplaced bracket or slur leads to 
grouping the wrong notes under the tuplet. 
I use Finale 2012c with WIN.
Any ideas?
John
  - Original Message - 
  From: Glen Daum 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 6:28 AM
  Subject: [Finale] Tuplet Not Displaying


  Hello Finale Users,

  I’m experiencing strange behavior with tuplets. When I have tuplets, triplets 
with rests and notes, displaying brackets and the number 3, in two different 
layers, only the active layer displays. If layer 2 is active, that tuplet 
bracket and number displays, but layer 1 does not. The reverse happens when I 
switch to layer 1. Has anyone experienced similar behavior? Does anyone have 
any ideas how to get the brackets and numbers to appear in both layers 
simultaneously?

  I’m on Mac (Yosemite (OSX 10.10.1), Finale 2014d

  Thanks,

  Glen


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Re: [Finale] Tuplet Not Displaying

[John Witmer]

Hey Cecil,
I believe I did the usual control U after changing the spacing. I'll try 
control D next time that happens.
Regards,

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cecil Rigby 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Tuplet Not Displaying


  John, did you redraw screen  (ctrl+D) after adjusting widths, etc? 
Sometimes this is all it takes
  I can't answer Glen's question because I have so far not upgraded since the 
2009 version. (I'm happy to keep my kludges and not have to relearn all the 
menus or deal with new bugs year after year.)
  -Cecil Rigby

  Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits 
drawn around us by the equal rights of others.
  I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the 
tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
  - Thomas Jefferson
  Know your jurist rights! http://www.jurybox.org/informed/

  -Original Message-
  From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
John Witmer
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:04 AM
  To: finale@shsu.edu
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Tuplet Not Displaying

  I have a slightly different tuplet problem. When I adjust measure widths to 
make crowed notes more visible, the tuplet brackets (or slurs) don't move with 
the notes. The same thing happens when I move notes within a measure using the 
beat chart in the Measure tool. Usually when sight reading, it is easy to 
identify the tuplet group, but sometimes the misplaced bracket or slur leads to 
grouping the wrong notes under the tuplet. 
  I use Finale 2012c with WIN.
  Any ideas?
  John
- Original Message - 
From: Glen Daum 
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 6:28 AM
Subject: [Finale] Tuplet Not Displaying


Hello Finale Users,

I’m experiencing strange behavior with tuplets. When I have tuplets, 
triplets with rests and notes, displaying brackets and the number 3, in two 
different layers, only the active layer displays. If layer 2 is active, that 
tuplet bracket and number displays, but layer 1 does not. The reverse happens 
when I switch to layer 1. Has anyone experienced similar behavior? Does anyone 
have any ideas how to get the brackets and numbers to appear in both layers 
simultaneously?

I’m on Mac (Yosemite (OSX 10.10.1), Finale 2014d

Thanks,

Glen


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Re: [Finale] No Auto-Save

[John Witmer]

Thank you for your comments about saving preferences. I am confused about the 
term PRAM.
Is that a Mac thing? If so, do you know the Win equivalent?
Chordially, John
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Israels 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 11:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] No Auto-Save


  Thanks, JD.  I usually keep several copies of my preferences in preparation 
for just this kind of thing, but this is a new set up - new hardware and OS, 
and I haven’t had a chance to do that yet, so I may just have to bite the 
bullet and set it all up again.  PRAM is easy, so I’ll try that first.

  Chuck


   On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:41 AM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
   
   The only thing I can think of Chuck is the dreaded preferences crapola.  
Other than that, I had occasion last week to try to sort out a Message app 
login issue and I ended up zapping my PRAM.  It not only fixed the issue, I 
discovered it corrected myriad other small annoying buglets as well.  Might be 
worth considering?
   
   J D Thomas
   ThomaStudios
   
   On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
   
   Hi - 
   
   Anyone know why Auto-Save might not be working?  2014d Mac Yosemite.
   
   It is set up in Preferences as I normally have it - Auto-Save every 5 
minutes and directed to a Backups folder, but the folder remains empty and I 
don’t get the short interruption that normally accompanies the Auto-Save 
process.  MM is on vacation until Monday, so I can’t get help from them.  I did 
try quitting and re-starting Finale, and I am out of ideas.
   
   Thanks,
   
   Chuck
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Re: [Finale] Measure numbering problem

[John Witmer]

Hey Robert,
Start New Piece plugin sounds like something I really could use.
I can't find any such plugins on my copy of Finale 2012.
Is this only available on later additions?
Chordially,
John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Center
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Patterson 
  To: finale 
  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 12:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Measure numbering problem


  Dave,

  Finale can absolutely do what you want. BTW: I said to *check* the Top
  Staff in the linked parts panel.

  As for restarting at one, you'll have to create a new measure number region
  each time for that. I recommend getting the one you have now to work first,
  then using a plugin like JW Start New Piece to restart at each break. (That
  plugin will also suppress the warning time sig/clef/key changes at the end
  of the previous bar.)

  And yes, you can have a break like that in the middle of the page. Not
  (easily) however on the same line.


  On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 11:04 AM, David Woodard davidcwoodar...@gmail.com
  wrote:

   Tried the uncheckTop Staff in Linked parts panel suggestion, Robert  but
   nothing happens.
   Need to start measure numbering over in each section and
   not show the time sig. change at end of previous section.
   I am playing  singing multiple hymn settings for Christmas eve service so
   need as many pieces on one page as possible so I don't have to flip pages
   when I move from Choir seats to Brass Stands...  Would like measure numbers
   to start over for each piece and each new staff appear as new hymn, but
   don't think Finale allows one to start a new Staff - for new Tune on same
   page
   Dave
  
   On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Robert Patterson 
   rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote:
  
On the Linked Parts panel in meas num setup, check Top Staff. Uncheck
   meas
nums on all staves.
   
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Chris Magee tro...@mac.com wrote:
   
 Hi all,

 I am finishing a score and parts in Finale 2014d, and I have the
following
 setup for measure numbers for the score and parts:

 Score: measure numbers every measure, below he bottom stave only
 Parts: measure number at the start of each line

 If I enable measure numbers in the Staff Attributes dialog, the score
 displays the measure numbers on all staves on every measure, despite
   the
 settings shown above. On linked parts, the measure numbers display
 correctly, so the problem is only on the score. Of course, if I disable
 measure numbers in the Staff Attributes dialog, the part do not display
 measure numbers at all.

 Has anyone seen this problem? Aside from creating a separate copy of
   the
 score, can anyone suggest a fix for this?

 I only receive the digest version, so you could cc me at
   tro...@mac.com
 mailto:tro...@mac.com, I’ll receive any replies sooner.

 Thanks,
 Chris
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Re: [Finale] Measure numbering problem

[John Witmer]

Thank you, Robert.
Now, is there any way to get Finale to place an already existing chart starting 
at the new piece location?
This would be handy for several movements of the same piece. I have already 
noted these in separate files.
chordially, John
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Patterson 
  To: finale 
  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 1:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Measure numbering problem


  It's a free 3rd party plugin from Jari Williamsson. You can download it
  here:

  http://www.finaletips.nu/index.php/download

  And here is a video about it (in German, but it may still be useful):

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc9FBt8tlsw

  On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:44 PM, John Witmer wit...@nctv.com wrote:

   Hey Robert,
   Start New Piece plugin sounds like something I really could use.
   I can't find any such plugins on my copy of Finale 2012.
   Is this only available on later additions?
   Chordially,
   John Witmer
   Clemson Downs Retirement Center
 - Original Message -
 From: Robert Patterson
 To: finale
 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 12:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Measure numbering problem
  
  
 Dave,
  
 Finale can absolutely do what you want. BTW: I said to *check* the Top
 Staff in the linked parts panel.
  
 As for restarting at one, you'll have to create a new measure number
   region
 each time for that. I recommend getting the one you have now to work
   first,
 then using a plugin like JW Start New Piece to restart at each break.
   (That
 plugin will also suppress the warning time sig/clef/key changes at the
   end
 of the previous bar.)
  
 And yes, you can have a break like that in the middle of the page. Not
 (easily) however on the same line.
  
  
 On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 11:04 AM, David Woodard 
   davidcwoodar...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
  Tried the uncheckTop Staff in Linked parts panel suggestion, Robert
   but
  nothing happens.
  Need to start measure numbering over in each section and
  not show the time sig. change at end of previous section.
  I am playing  singing multiple hymn settings for Christmas eve
   service so
  need as many pieces on one page as possible so I don't have to flip
   pages
  when I move from Choir seats to Brass Stands...  Would like measure
   numbers
  to start over for each piece and each new staff appear as new hymn, but
  don't think Finale allows one to start a new Staff - for new Tune on
   same
  page
  Dave
 
  On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Robert Patterson 
  rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote:
 
   On the Linked Parts panel in meas num setup, check Top Staff. Uncheck
  meas
   nums on all staves.
  
   On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Chris Magee tro...@mac.com wrote:
  
Hi all,
   
I am finishing a score and parts in Finale 2014d, and I have the
   following
setup for measure numbers for the score and parts:
   
Score: measure numbers every measure, below he bottom stave only
Parts: measure number at the start of each line
   
If I enable measure numbers in the Staff Attributes dialog, the
   score
displays the measure numbers on all staves on every measure,
   despite
  the
settings shown above. On linked parts, the measure numbers display
correctly, so the problem is only on the score. Of course, if I
   disable
measure numbers in the Staff Attributes dialog, the part do not
   display
measure numbers at all.
   
Has anyone seen this problem? Aside from creating a separate copy
   of
  the
score, can anyone suggest a fix for this?
   
I only receive the digest version, so you could cc me at
  tro...@mac.com
mailto:tro...@mac.com, I’ll receive any replies sooner.
   
Thanks,
Chris
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Re: [Finale] print size

[John Witmer]

As far as my band is concerned, if it can't be printed in 8 1/2 x 11 format, it 
doesn't exist.
That said, it has led to charts that feature print so small it is very 
difficult to sight-read.
This is particularly true of the director's full score. He has learned to live 
with it. grin
We usually just opt for more pages of 8 1/2 x 11.
Nick, does that answer your question?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Nick Raspa 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 10:38 AM
  Subject: [Finale] Slight OT


  I don’t know if this topic has come up.  I have prepared a set of pieces for 
orchestra that I want to make available as Print on Demand.   In light of the 
proliferation of printers that only handle business size paper, what do you do 
regarding print specifications?  I am thinking about MOLA standards which would 
be a problem with smaller paper.  Do you still use the MOLA standards and 
Specify that printing must be done on larger paper or do you adjust for 
  the smaller paper?

  Nick Raspa
  NJR Music
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Re: [Finale] Slight OT

[John Witmer]

As a non-professional sometime engraver, I just happened to review the MOLA 
standards. The wide availability of computer programs such as Finale have made 
it possible for directors and arrangers to make changes in a score and have 
them printed locally.  I have to conclude that MOLA is out of touch with the 
real world. 8 1/2 x 11 paper has become so standard in the US that any 
variation from it that requires printing to a larger size paper requires 
printers that are just not available or within the budgets of small ensembles. 
I suspect that the MOLA standard will not last much longer.

In all due respect,
John Witmer

- Original Message - 
  From: Nick Raspa 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 10:38 AM
  Subject: [Finale] Slight OT


  I don’t know if this topic has come up.  I have prepared a set of pieces for 
orchestra that I want to make available as Print on Demand.   In light of the 
proliferation of printers that only handle business size paper, what do you do 
regarding print specifications?  I am thinking about MOLA standards which would 
be a problem with smaller paper.  Do you still use the MOLA standards and 
Specify that printing must be done on larger paper or do you adjust for 
  the smaller paper?

  Nick Raspa
  NJR Music
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[Finale] Fw: [FinaleUsers] Sizing

[John Witmer]

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From: 'Tom Gentry' tgb...@aol.com [FinaleUsers] 
To: finaleus...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:52 PM
Subject: [FinaleUsers] Sizing


  

Does anyone out there know how to make the icons and headers and palettes and 
such larger on Finale 2012? I zoom in on my arrangements themselves just fine, 
but how do you make everything else on the page larger. Thanks!



Tom Gentry


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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 136, Issue 16

[John Witmer]

Music is NOT an extreme sport.
Those who won't use cautionary accidentals are music snobs.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Troup 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 6:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 136, Issue 16


  On 28 November 2014 at 11:35, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote:

   Music is not an extreme sport where the ‘real men’ don’t use safety kit…..


  Well said that man!

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[Finale] Cutting the ryhthm in half

[John Witmer]

There must be an easy way to do this, but I haven't thought of it yet.
Would someone care to suggest how to cut the rhythm of a selection in half 
without rewriting 
every measure? ie. Take a piece that is written dotted half note, quarter note 
and make it dotted 
quarter note, eighth note. There would be half as many measures.

John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Center
Clemson, SC
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Re: [Finale] Creating p-f dynamic

[John Witmer]

Actually, that's the easy part. Now, how do you get the chart to playback piano 
the first time and forte  the second?
John
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christopher Smith 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Creating p-f dynamic


  Duplicate the existing P marking, edit it and add dash f after the p. Done.

  Actually, you might want to change the font to Times New Roman 12 or 14 for 
the dash, because of height, but basically, that's it.

  Christopher


  On Wed Oct 29, at WednesdayOct 29 9:44 AM, Steve Gruver wrote:

   I would like to create a dynamic that looks like 'p-f'first time piano,
   second time forte.  How is this done?
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Re: [Finale] The Dutch Heart and soul list

[John Witmer]

Thank you, Barbara.
Please label such emails in the future. Many of us routinely delete any email 
that look the least bit
suspicious.
John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Center
  - Original Message - 
  From: Barbara Touburg 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 1:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] The Dutch Heart and soul list


  On 6-10-2014 19:01, Lawrence Yates wrote:
   Just writing, interesting and a link gives me no confidence at all that
   the link isn't some kind of spam or virus.

  I am very sorry. Not to worry. Those are links to lists of the top 300 
  of the most favourite pieces of music, according to the listeners to the 
  Dutch classical radio. The Matteus Passion is at number 1, not 
  surprisingly. This is the average Dutch taste...
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Re: [Finale] Finale Book Author

[John Witmer]

Thanks for your comments, David.

You are correct in chastising me for jumping the gun on Trailblazer. My only 
excuse is that,
at 84, I am becoming a cranky old man.
[Mark Johnson, if you should happen to be reading this thread, I apologise 
profusely. I guess
it's a question of different strokes for different folks.]

 I do own the 2012 version of Trailblazer. It does indeed refer to Score 
Manager. 
I rarely use Trailblazer however as I have never been able to find a reference 
to the particular 
problem I was having at the time. For me it is not a good reference site. My 
background is in 
research, so I know a little bit about it. I ran my own research firm for many 
years.

Perhaps different people have a different approach in using a reference. When I 
pick up
a reference book, it is usually because I need some information right now. I 
don't have 
a lot of time and patience to wade thru a long discussion.*

My current technique for solving a Finale problem is to google it. This 
usually gives
the fastest result. Google is a more refined method of searching the internet 
than the one 
I used to use in my business.. I just googled ScoreManager and came up with a 
six page 
discription of the feature which came directly from MakeMusic's own user guide. 
The 
chief problem with that user guide is that it's not in printed form. The 
original Finale
included a printed user guide which served well.

Many years ago, while attending Harmony College (a school run for Barbershop 
enthusiasts),
I took a class in Finale from a guy who was working for the company. He 
provided us with
the then current users guide, Hal Leonard's Pocket Music Dictionary and The 
Essential Dictionary 
of Music Notation. I find these last two books of constant value even today. 
Since I don't engrave
professionally, they are sufficient for my purposes in their limited 
objectives. What I hope
to have some day is an equivalent source for Finale itself, if I should live so 
long. grin

I should know better than to be critical of a group that has been very 
welcoming to me as a non-
professional. If there is anyone else to whom I owe an apology, I am very sorry 
for offending you. 

John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Community

* Years ago, while teaching a begining level collage course, students asked me 
for the best way to 
study for a final exam. I suggested that the best way to prepare for an 
objective exam was to look
at the index of the text book. Be sure that you can define and explain every 
single entry.  This
technique only works with a well-indexed text, but most college textbooks are 
so equiped.
--JW
  - Original Message - 
  From: David H. Bailey 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 7:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Book Author


  You must have a different Trailblazer series than I have -- the 
  Finale 2014: A Trailblazer Guide certainly does discuss the Score 
  Manager, and it's listed in the clear index at the back of the book.  It 
  also discusses FinaleScript -- again, that's listed in the clear index 
  at the back of the book.  And I checked again in Finale 2012: A 
  Trailblazer Guide and both of those items are discussed also and are 
  clearly listed in the index, too.

  Perhaps you should actually buy the book and sit down and read it before 
  telling people what it does or doesn't include.

   From the point of view of a would-be engraver the Trailblazer guides 
  are an excellent resource.  From the point of view of a professional 
  engraver already working in the field it still is a good resource for 
  each new version because it does document the behavior of the new 
  version, which can be especially important for someone making a jump 
  from several versions earlier.

  I think Mark Johnson has done an excellent job with the Trailblazer 
  series and it surprised me to learn that some other publisher is looking 
  to publish a book on Finale.

  What these books don't do (and don't claim to do, so it shouldn't be 
  held against them) is to serve as a music engraving handbook.  So for a 
  would-be engraver (which term implies people who don't yet have 
  experience using a computer for engraving music) this won't teach them 
  about music notation nor common practices.  There are other excellent 
  books for people to learn about music notation from.  People have to 
  already know what properly engraved music looks like -- if they don't 
  then they need to study published music and find what they need/want to 
  have their engraved music look like.  The Trailblazer books are intended 
  only to serve as guides to help Finale users get the most out of Finale. 
What people do with it (i.e. how their engraved music ends up looking) 
  is up to them.

  David H. Bailey

  On 10/2/2014 7:57 PM, John Witmer wrote:
   It sure would be a service to the industry if someone were to write a
   DEFINITIVE guide to Finale. The so-called trailbazer series have been

Re: [Finale] Finale Book Author

[John Witmer]

It sure would be a service to the industry if someone were to write a 
DEFINITIVE guide to Finale. The so-called trailbazer series have been nothing 
more than a compilation of the rough introductions to each of the main segments 
of Finale. Not only do they not touch the more difficult parts, they don't even 
have an index that is worth much. For example they don't evem discuss the Score 
Manager or how to write scripts. It just seems to be a list of the items in the 
table of contents.

A well written guide from the point of view of a would-be music engraver would 
be far more useful than for just the next isssue of Finale. Heck, you could 
probably sell a copy to 90% of the readers of this site.

Chordially,
John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Center
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Troup 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 3:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Book Author


  Damn Jef, you turned it into a thread... lol


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  On 2 October 2014 20:37, Simon Troup simon.tr...@digitalmusicart.com
  wrote:

   I believe that the deadline was set some time ago - the book was scheduled
   and someone dropped out. Hence, the deadline is now ridiculous. However,
   they know it and it's probably more a case of as soon as.
  
   Someone may have a bunch of unpublished tuition materials from a course or
   some such that would act as a good head start though, so you never know. My
   involvement was simply to have been offered it, and as I can't do it, at
   least to *attempt* to find someone who could do a proper job, because one
   way or another they'll probably end up publishing something, and if it's
   about finale I'd rather it was a credit to our community.
  
   Simon
  
  
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   On 2 October 2014 20:16, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com
   wrote:
  
  
   i can't imagine what the budget would need to be for me to willingly
   set aside a month of my life to write a how to book on finale for
   an obscure publisher that will probably become obsolete (or perhaps
   out of print) with the next version.
  
   seriously!??!?! a MONTH?!?!?! sounds like not a very serious
   publisher.  you could perhaps get a secondary school level beginner's
   guide ready in a month...
  
   (simon: no offense meant to you of course!)
  
   I've been contacted by a publisher to write a Finale How To book, but I
   can't personally commit to the deadline, it's around a month.
   I don't want to start a thread about this...
  
   that's ok, i'll do it for you
  
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Re: [Finale] Emergency help

[John Witmer]

Hey Justin,
OK, partial success. Deleting the ini files allowed Finale to recognise my 
Roland.
However, at first only the simple entry method worked, but after playing around 
a little with the midi controls
I got the speedy entry to work again.
Thank you for all your help.
Chordially, John
  - Original Message - 
  From: Justin Phillips 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Emergency help


  If you go to the MIDI/Audio Menu  Device Setup  MIDI Setup, is your 
Roland/MIDI interface showing as an available device?

  If not, try this first:

  1) Close Finale

  2) Shut down your PC and turn off your Roland

  3) Verify your USB/MIDI cables are still connected properly 

  4) Turn the Roland back on then turn the computer back on. Launch Finale and 
see if Finale recognizes it. 

  If not, try the following. This will reset your preferences for Finale but 
will not impact any of your files. 

  1) Close Finale then open a Windows Explorer window. Turn on Hidden Files and 
Folders by going to the Tools menu  Folder and Search Options  View Tab and 
check Show Hidden Files and Folders. 

  2) Navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\(Your User Name)\Application 
Data\MakeMusic\Finale 2012

  3) Locate the files named Finale.ini and Finmidi.ini. Drag these to the 
Trash. 

  4) Reboot your PC and re-launch Finale. You should be prompted on open to 
re-select your MIDI preferences. Select the appropriate setup then see if 
Finale recognizes the device again. 

  ---
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  (952) 923-9878

   On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:44 PM, John Witmer wit...@nctv.com wrote:
   
   Sorry, this is a Windows XP
   
- Original Message - 
From: Justin Phillips 
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Emergency help
   
   
Are you on a Mac or Windows computer?
   
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   On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:52 PM, John Witmer wit...@nctv.com wrote:
   
   Suddenly, Finale '12 will not recognize my MIDI device, a Roland SK50 that 
I have used for many years with 
   various versions of Finale. I get the message that I have installed an 
input device that is out of the range of my
   music although I have done nothing different other than turning Finale off 
and on. The computer hasn't even
   been turned off since I used Finale last. (yesterday) I did notice that 
Finale had lost my specialized templates.
   Can anyone suggest a fix. I need to transcribe some music ASAP.
   
   John Witmer
   Clemson Downs Retirement Center
   Clemson, SC
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[Finale] Emergency help

[John Witmer]

Suddenly, Finale '12 will not recognize my MIDI device, a Roland SK50 that I 
have used for many years with 
various versions of Finale. I get the message that I have installed an input 
device that is out of the range of my
music although I have done nothing different other than turning Finale off and 
on. The computer hasn't even
been turned off since I used Finale last. (yesterday) I did notice that Finale 
had lost my specialized templates.
Can anyone suggest a fix. I need to transcribe some music ASAP.

John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Center
Clemson, SC
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Re: [Finale] Emergency help

[John Witmer]

Sorry, this is a Windows XP

  - Original Message - 
  From: Justin Phillips 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Emergency help


  Are you on a Mac or Windows computer?

  ---
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  (952) 923-9878

   On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:52 PM, John Witmer wit...@nctv.com wrote:
   
   Suddenly, Finale '12 will not recognize my MIDI device, a Roland SK50 that 
I have used for many years with 
   various versions of Finale. I get the message that I have installed an 
input device that is out of the range of my
   music although I have done nothing different other than turning Finale off 
and on. The computer hasn't even
   been turned off since I used Finale last. (yesterday) I did notice that 
Finale had lost my specialized templates.
   Can anyone suggest a fix. I need to transcribe some music ASAP.
   
   John Witmer
   Clemson Downs Retirement Center
   Clemson, SC
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Re: [Finale] Emergency help

[John Witmer]

Thanks, Cicil.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Cecil Rigby 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Emergency help


  John, if you don't get a fix from someone on the list that works for you
  just tell my wife and I'll come by to have a look. It sounds like your
  preferences may have become corrupted, possibly.
  -Cecil Rigby
  Clemson, SC

  -Original Message-
  From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
  John Witmer
  Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:45 PM
  To: finale@shsu.edu
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Emergency help

  Sorry, this is a Windows XP

- Original Message - 
From: Justin Phillips 
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Emergency help


Are you on a Mac or Windows computer?

---
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 On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:52 PM, John Witmer wit...@nctv.com wrote:
 
 Suddenly, Finale '12 will not recognize my MIDI device, a Roland SK50
  that I have used for many years with 
 various versions of Finale. I get the message that I have installed an
  input device that is out of the range of my
 music although I have done nothing different other than turning Finale
  off and on. The computer hasn't even
 been turned off since I used Finale last. (yesterday) I did notice that
  Finale had lost my specialized templates.
 Can anyone suggest a fix. I need to transcribe some music ASAP.
 
 John Witmer
 Clemson Downs Retirement Center
 Clemson, SC
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Re: [Finale] Emergency help

[John Witmer]

Thanks, Justin.
I'll try it in the morning. I'm bushed.
John
  - Original Message - 
  From: Justin Phillips 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Emergency help


  If you go to the MIDI/Audio Menu  Device Setup  MIDI Setup, is your 
Roland/MIDI interface showing as an available device?

  If not, try this first:

  1) Close Finale

  2) Shut down your PC and turn off your Roland

  3) Verify your USB/MIDI cables are still connected properly 

  4) Turn the Roland back on then turn the computer back on. Launch Finale and 
see if Finale recognizes it. 

  If not, try the following. This will reset your preferences for Finale but 
will not impact any of your files. 

  1) Close Finale then open a Windows Explorer window. Turn on Hidden Files and 
Folders by going to the Tools menu  Folder and Search Options  View Tab and 
check Show Hidden Files and Folders. 

  2) Navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\(Your User Name)\Application 
Data\MakeMusic\Finale 2012

  3) Locate the files named Finale.ini and Finmidi.ini. Drag these to the 
Trash. 

  4) Reboot your PC and re-launch Finale. You should be prompted on open to 
re-select your MIDI preferences. Select the appropriate setup then see if 
Finale recognizes the device again. 

  ---
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  justinwphill...@gmail.com
  (952) 923-9878

   On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:44 PM, John Witmer wit...@nctv.com wrote:
   
   Sorry, this is a Windows XP
   
- Original Message - 
From: Justin Phillips 
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Emergency help
   
   
Are you on a Mac or Windows computer?
   
---
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   On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:52 PM, John Witmer wit...@nctv.com wrote:
   
   Suddenly, Finale '12 will not recognize my MIDI device, a Roland SK50 that 
I have used for many years with 
   various versions of Finale. I get the message that I have installed an 
input device that is out of the range of my
   music although I have done nothing different other than turning Finale off 
and on. The computer hasn't even
   been turned off since I used Finale last. (yesterday) I did notice that 
Finale had lost my specialized templates.
   Can anyone suggest a fix. I need to transcribe some music ASAP.
   
   John Witmer
   Clemson Downs Retirement Center
   Clemson, SC
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Re: [Finale] Keyless Signature

[John Witmer]

Darcy, Please explain.
If a chart doesn't have a key to begin with, how can it be transposed?

Just looking to learn.

John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Center
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darcy James Argue 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 1:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Keyless Signature


  Keyless scores are not the same as concert pitch scores. Keyless scores are 
often transposed — just transposed without using key signatures.

  Cheers,

  - DJA
  -
  WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org

  On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Dean Rosenthal deanrosent...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hi Darcy,
   
   Yes, that makes sense. I wouldn't know about the staff styles because I
   don't use that feature (or don't understand it, I just work with the staves
   directly, I should probably learn this, I don't know what Staff Styles does
   that I can't do antoher other way). However, is the use of keyless for
   transposition any different from show in concert pitch – that's what I've
   always used, both to score and to print. You can even flip back and forth
   this way. I suppose it's nice to start a document from scratch without
   altering the score with a keyless signature.
   
   Best,
   Dean
   
   On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 1:00 PM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote:
   
   
   -- Forwarded message --
   From: Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com
   To: finale@shsu.edu
   Cc:
   Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:37:41 -0400
   Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014: Looking back, looking forward
   Transposing instruments and staff styles don't use key signatures in
   keyless scores.
   
   Cheers,
   
   - DJA
   -
   WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org
   
   On Jul 25, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Dean Rosenthal deanrosent...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   
   I also look forward to learning how a keyless signature is any different
   than writing in C or A min
   
   
   
   
   
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Re: [Finale] Keyless Signature

[John Witmer]

Thanks to those who tried to explain this to me.
If I understand this correctly, a keyless piece isn't really keyless, it is
just written without a key signature--all the accidentals are specified 
with each note. Hence the keyless chart for a transposing instrument 
would need to be transposed as it normally would with every single
accidental expressly marked. I really don't understand how this is 
different from writing the entire piece with the key signature of C.

Boy, am I glad I don't work with music that is so atonal as to require
this. I have enough trouble with pieces that change the key for a few 
measures without changing the key sig. grin

Working with Finale has caused me to learn more music theory than I
thought I would ever need. not so funny either

John Witmer
  - Original Message - 
  From: Peter Taylor 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 5:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Keyless Signature


  Hi John, for instance:  With a Bb trumpet or clarinet, the part is 
  transposed up a major second from concert pitch - so if the concert key of a 
  piece is Eb, the trumpet and clarinet part will be transposed to F.  This 
  doesn't change if you're working without a key sig. - the part still has to 
  be transposed up M2 from concert.  If a keyless score has an E with a flat 
  accidental, the part will show an F with no accidental.

  Whether you're working on a keyless score or one with a key sig., unless 
  you're really used to working with transposing instruments it's safest to 
  enter all the notes in concert pitch and then add the transpostions later 
  and let Finale work out the accidentals for you.

  Peter


  - Original Message - 
  From: John Witmer wit...@nctv.com
  To: finale@shsu.edu
  Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Keyless Signature


  Darcy, Please explain.
  If a chart doesn't have a key to begin with, how can it be transposed?

  Just looking to learn.

  John Witmer
  Clemson Downs Retirement Center
- Original Message - 
From: Darcy James Argue
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Keyless Signature


Keyless scores are not the same as concert pitch scores. Keyless scores 
  are often transposed — just transposed without using key signatures.

Cheers,

- DJA
-
WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org

On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Dean Rosenthal deanrosent...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 Hi Darcy,

 Yes, that makes sense. I wouldn't know about the staff styles because I
 don't use that feature (or don't understand it, I just work with the 
  staves
 directly, I should probably learn this, I don't know what Staff Styles 
  does
 that I can't do antoher other way). However, is the use of keyless for
 transposition any different from show in concert pitch – that's what 
  I've
 always used, both to score and to print. You can even flip back and 
  forth
 this way. I suppose it's nice to start a document from scratch without
 altering the score with a keyless signature.

 Best,
 Dean

 On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 1:00 PM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote:


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Cc:
 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:37:41 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014: Looking back, looking forward
 Transposing instruments and staff styles don't use key signatures in
 keyless scores.

 Cheers,

 - DJA
 -
 WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org

 On Jul 25, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Dean Rosenthal deanrosent...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I also look forward to learning how a keyless signature is any 
  different
 than writing in C or A min





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Re: [Finale] Notes scrunching together

[John Witmer]

Yes, that must be a problem. I find even 32nd notes to scrunch up so they are 
impossible to read until you finish the measure.
Help, anybody?
Chordially,
John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Community
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lawrence Yates 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 5:39 AM
  Subject: [Finale] Notes scrunching together


  Hi,

  I'm currently transcribing a piece which includes lots of
  semiquavers/demi-semiquavers (don't know what that is in American).

  Using speedy entry, as I type in the notes they all scrunch together so
  that I can't read what I'm writing.

  Is there any way I can stop this happening as I type as opposed to hitting
  update layout at the end of every bar (which doesn't solve the problem of
  individual bars being illegible as I type anyway).

  Cheers,

  Lawrence

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Re: [Finale] FinWin 2014 how do I unhide a staff abbreviated name?

[John Witmer]

It's not easy to spot, but a careful reading of the Staff Attributes should 
reveal a box labled Force Hide or something like that. Be sure it is 
unchecked.
John
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bruce Kau 
  To: finale@shsu.edu 
  Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 1:53 PM
  Subject: [Finale] FinWin 2014 how do I unhide a staff abbreviated name?


  A while back, I had hidden the abbreviated staff name - right click on 
  the name handle, and select Hide. Months later, I've changed my mind, 
  and I want the abbreviated staff name to appear, but there's no handle 
  anymore to right click on to make it appear. I've also tried selecting 
  displaying everything in the Staff Attributes, as well as just about 
  everything else on the Staff Menu list.

  Any ideas? TIA.

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[Finale] Finale '12 with Windows 8.1

[John Witmer]

With Windows XP support ending, can anyone tell me of experience with Finale 
'12 and
Windows 8.1?

John Witmer
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[Finale] DS al Fin

[John Witmer]

How do you make a Finale playback actually stop at the Fine in a DS al Fin with 
an embedded repeat?
Finale wants to keep right on playing after the going back to the signe and 
getting to the Fine.
John Witmer
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Re: [Finale] Anybody having any success with scanning?

[John Witmer]

Hey Terry,
I have an HP Photosmart 6520. Will that work?
John Witmer

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From: Terry Vosbein vosbe...@wlu.edu
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Anybody having any success with scanning?


 It works fine for mea few hints:
 
 Do not scan the music in a scanner and then try to convert it.
 
 Open Finale and scan from within Finale
 
 Also, only a very few scanners actually work. A very very few.
 
 I use an Epson V33 and have no trouble scanning well engraved music.
 
 
 Hope this helps,
 
 
 Terry Vosbein
 
 
 
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[Finale] editing chord symbols enharmonically

[John Witmer]

Sorry if this message is a repeat; I got lost in the ether.

In editing Christmas music for amateur singers (and pianists), I have to 
transpose many
songs to fit the range of elder singers. In some keys this produces results 
such as double flats
that are difficult for many amateurs to read. Even though the double flats are 
technically correct,
is there some way to keep (or change) the chord symbols to their enharmonic 
equivalent? 
I use Finale '12.

John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Center
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Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014

[John Witmer]

Larry, I agree.
The only exception is when the music is especially busy with lots of 
notes. The parentheses
often make it difficult to read on the fly. Then you have the decision to 
make as to whether the
unnecessary accidental hurts more than it helps. It is sometimes a very 
close call.
Chordially, John
John Witmer
Clemson Downs Retirement Center

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From: Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014


I have to disagree here.  I use courtesy accidentals in my
 arrangements for a couple of reasons:

 1.  my players like and often request them
 2.  I like to hear the correct notes being played rightthe first time.

 Larry






Courtesy accidentals (ANYWHERE) are for the weak.  If you *need* them in 
the
part, then that means you're not following the key signature.  Back to
school!

patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:28 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014

If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places
where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, and 
I
have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually are
easier to read.

I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised 
accidental
is kind of like saying, I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder to
differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a 
distance,
parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and 
natural)
into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which
accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to 
confuse
with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by
these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. 
And
Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in
accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes!

Christopher


On Sun Nov 10, at SundayNov 10 12:39 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:


  For those of us with imperfect eyesight, we cannot always see the
  accidental clearly.  If I can see that there is an accidental, then I
  can make a quick judgment about whether it is most likely a flat, 
 sharp,
  or natural and be right almost all the time.  People who add 
 unnecessary
  accidental markings without parenthesizing them should be shot, IMHO.
  And people who pencil in unnecessary accidentals BESIDE notes in the
  music should also be shot.  If one needs a reminder about a note, write
  the accidental ABOVE the note, with a parenthesis and there will never
  be any confusion.  IMHO, the only time an accidental should be penciled
  BESIDE a note is when correcting a misprint.




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Re: [Finale] #5

[John Witmer]

My music theory teacher always called them on purposes, not accidentals'

John
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From: terry cano tcanomu...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] #5


 OK so while we are on the subject ;) Why are accidentals called 
 accidentals? 'don't bout you but I place them there on purpose not by 
 accident ;) Actually, that statement is from a composition teacher that I 
 once had.
 It is one of my favorites.
 Terry





 On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:16 AM, Chuck Israels 
 cisra...@comcast.net wrote:

 There's a reason they are called courtesy.

 Chuck


 On Nov 19, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Jim Dukey oldm...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Weak? Then I've known and played with SO Many Weak Players,
 from the San Francisco Symphony, and virtually ALL groups I've ever 
 played in.
 Players who mark their parts to be SURE of the accidentals.
 Check your precious Finale Parts sometime, see what the players marked 
 in.
 Or the Conductor.
 See how they ruined them…
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Re: [Finale] Mark Johnson's Finale 2014: A Trailblazer Guide -- a bookworth considering!

[John Witmer]

Hey David,
With your suggestion, I sat down with Mark's opus (Finale 2012 A Trailblazer 
Guide) in hand
to learn how to use the Score Manager.
There is no item in the table of contents about the SM so I looked in the 
index.
There are 3 citations there, but they only talk about the SM to solve some 
very specific tasks.
I wish there was a comprehensive chapter on the Score Manager.
It is such a new concept for Finale
that it deserves a more thorough treatment.
Finale remains very much a teach yourself program!
Chordially, John
A Finale user since 1998

- Original Message - 
From: David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:03 AM
Subject: [Finale] Mark Johnson's Finale 2014: A Trailblazer Guide -- a 
bookworth considering!


 Remember when Finale came with real, printed manuals?  Don't you wish it
 still did?

 I just wanted to point out that people who are upgrading to Finale 2014
 or purchasing Finale for the first time might want to purchase Mark
 Johnson's Finale 2014: A Trailblazer Guide to assist with the upgrade.
 Mark has been publishing these books for the past few upgrades and I
 have found them immensely helpful in navigating around the pitfalls of
 each new upgrade.

 Notable potential pitfalls are the ScoreManager (still -- many people
 haven't gotten used to how this works compared to the older Instrument
 List dialog) and the newly redesigned percussion dialog.

 These books are great for new users as well as long-time users who may
 have gotten entrenched in older workflows which have changed with these
 newer versions.  It's especially helpful for people who haven't upgraded
 for a long time.

 You can order it from MakeMusic when you order your upgrade (or
 separately) or you can order it from amazon.

 [Disclaimer: Mark is a friend and he's using a quote from me on the
 cover, but other than that I have no business association with the sale
 of this book and don't make any money from the sale of the book, so this
 really is a friendly suggestion and not a ploy for me to earn money.]



 -- 
 David H. Bailey
 dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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[Finale] Playback hangover

[John Witmer]

Every once in a while, I experience what I call playback hangover: a note that 
doesn't cut off at the end of it's alloted time.
I use Finale '12 with midi playback.
Can anyone tell me how to avoid (or correct) this problem?
John Witmer
Clemson Downs
Clemson, SC
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Re: [Finale] I notice that there is still no Finale update

[John Witmer]

Craig,
My experience with Finale is that you can skip a year or two of upgrades 
without
losing very much. Every once in a while, there is a feature that everyone 
talks
about that becomes a must have, but not very often. I did wait from '07 to
'12 for my latest update and don't feel that I've missed very much other 
than a
little bit of a 'learning curve' with the new version. But that seems to 
happen anyway.
Chordially, John

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From: Craig Parmerlee cr...@acticalc.com
To: Finale News List finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 11:47 PM
Subject: [Finale] I notice that there is still no Finale update


 Makemusic said they would have a new release in 2013.

 The normal pattern would be to announce new releases in May or June so
 as to get into the pipeline for the new school year.  That did not happen.

 Another normal pattern is to not announce anything during August because
 much of the world is on vacation.  August has come and gone.

 Yet another normal rule would be to get any new product on the streets
 by October 1 at the latest in order to catch anybody wanting to give an
 upgrade as a holiday gift.  If that is to happen, we should see an
 announcement in the next 3 weeks.  It seems a little surprising that
 there are no rumblings at all about this.  Has everybody just given up?

 Or is a case that something won't be announced until December 31, 2013
 for delivery in May 2014?

 I have a list of about 7 software products I use a lot that should have
 new releases before year end.  If I were to upgrade all of them, that
 would probably be about $2500 and in fact I will probably only spend
 about $1000.  At some point, secrecy can be taken too far.  If I spend
 my budget before MM decides to say anything, then I probably won't
 upgrade Finale very soon.


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Re: [Finale] Various problems with 2012c Win

[John Witmer]

Hey Dan,
I had similar problems with Finale '07 creating multiple simultaneous 
playbacks.
I don't remember exactly what I had to do to fix it, but it had something to 
do with
defining the instruments for playback. I use a MIDI playback and not the 
VST.
I have not had this problem since I upgraded to ver. '12
I do find that Score Manager is very difficult to work with.
Chordially, John Witmer, Clemson Downs Retirement Community

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Tillberg dan.h.tillb...@gmail.com
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:44 PM
Subject: [Finale] Various problems with 2012c Win


 Hi again folks,

 I have been a member of this list earlier but I had to leave since my
 mailbox grew over it limits all the time. Recently tried the
 forum.makemusic.com but to my surprise, noone there knows the answer to my
 questions. Strange.

 Anyhow, since I left I have been working quite a lot with Finale 2010 and
 with great success, actually I have found the answer to my questions in
 help files and similar. Some time ago my fine old computer died and had to
 be replaced with the one I am writing on now, a young and fresh Win 8
 machine with 8 GB RAM. At the same time I took the opportunity to upgrade
 to Finale 2012.

 But there are some problems. The biggest problem relates to playback. I
 have a weird problem that multiple locations of the same score is playing
 back simultaneously creating...well you can imagine. The behaviour is
 consistent in the sense that it happens also after reboots, i. e. at all
 working sessions. It is however inconsistent in that it behaves slightly
 different at different sessions (e. g. the problems start at different
 points in the score and different other parts are playing back at that
 time). What about this?

 Two other less severe problems but annoying:

 Everytime I start Finale 2012c it complains about files with extension
 .asv and that Photoshop has registered it, and a question on whether I
 want to register with Finale instead. Answering Yes does not fix the
 problem, No obviously not either, and the message box comes back at next
 start for both choices even if the checkbox Don't ask me again is
 checked. Also I have of course changed this association via Windows 
 Control
 Panel and it is now persistently registered with Finale, yet Finale
 stubbornly gives this error message at every start.

 The other annoying problem is a complaint when starting playback (yes I
 have thought about this being related to the main playback problem above
 and I guess this can't be excluded): Finale complains about Missing VST
 Instrument Plug-in: Instruments for Finale Some sound used in this 
 document
 are not available on your computer. Would you like Finale to reassign all
 instruments in this document to sounds available on your computer? (Your
 file will be changed.). I have accepted this offer and saved the 
 supposedly
 changed file, but the error message keeps coming back anyway. I have also
 gone through the new ScoreManager and can't see anything suspicious there.
 What should I look for? Or is this problem not related to the settings in
 the Score Manager?

 Sorry for a long text, but I hope someone here could help me as opposed to
 in the makemusic forum.

 Regards,
 /DT
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