Re: [Finale] Sibelius 7 has been announced, to ship on August 11th.
I have been banging on about note-before-rhythm to them for years now, as I'm sure many others here have too. Now at last I can give Sibelius a red hot go. Will be interested to see how resizeable the dialog boxes too. Some of them are currently awful and Finale has this all over Sibelius. The typography features now are better than Finale's. This is an exciting upgrade! Matthew Sent from my iPhone On 28/07/2011, at 5:00 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi all, This is huge. The three fundamental UI problems I had with Sibelius (lack of scroll view, no pitch-before-rhythm entry, and those awful modal tool palettes) have now all been implemented. I can't see myself switching entirely unless my hand was forced, but it's encouraging that Sibelius seems to be bending over backwards to make the transition easier for Finale users. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 27 Jul 2011, at 2:36 PM, David H. Bailey wrote: 2) note entry will now have allow pitch-first/rhythm-second in addition to the older rhythm-first/pitch-second that so many Finale users have found frustrating. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 7 has been announced, to ship on August 11th.
If you watch the video on the Sibelius site directed at Finale users, when changing from rhythm-before-pitch to pitch-before-rhythm, the note entry palette changes to the same values we are used to in Speedy. Sibelius have really gone to a lot of trouble to accommodate other ways of working. I will be thanking them for their efforts by using it. There is a place for us Speedy refugees now it seems. Matthew Sent from my iPhone On 28/07/2011, at 10:35 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi John, I meant an equivalent to Finale's Scroll View, i.e. Panorama. I'm aware that feature was introduced in an earlier version. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 27 Jul 2011, at 8:25 PM, John Howell wrote: At 3:00 PM -0400 7/27/11, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi all, This is huge. The three fundamental UI problems I had with Sibelius (lack of scroll view, no pitch-before-rhythm entry, and those awful modal tool palettes) have now all been implemented. Hi, Darcy. If you mean scroll bars on score pages, it's always been there and can be toggled on and off. If by scroll view you mean non-page view it's been available as Panorama since, I think, Sib 5. And I'm not sure what a modal tool palette is. But apparently the new entry mode really is a big deal for some people. It'll be interesting to see whether I'm more comfortable with it or not. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts Cinema College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html Machen es wie Sie wollen, machen es nur schön! (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: NewMusicBox article
The Cabrillo Festival is another interesting US festival with an amazing community involvement. It's in Santa Cruz in California. I was one of the featured composers a couple of years ago and the programme is all recent, contemporary orchestral music. The concert hall (looked like a very large converted gym I suppose) was packed out for every concert. Having Marin Alsop as the artistic director doesn't hurt I suppose. But the audience was pretty much all paying to attend - not free. And extremely well supported. Here in Sydney the Sydney Under the Stars, Jazz under the Stars, Opera under the Stars concerts get about 100,000 ppl each January. People do seem to enjoy outdoor concerts, don't they. I would love for them to allocate the three 'listening areas' as described in the article. Matthew On 25/07/11 8:40 AM, David Froom wrote: To my Finale-user friends, I hope you have a chance to look at this short article that New Music Box published last week. If you do, please let me know what you think about it, on list or off. http://www.newmusicbox.org/articles/classical-music-to-unite-a-community/ David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] set velocity to zero
I think Jari made a plugin for that. Alternatively if on Mac go to Speedy Entry Tool, option click on the bar containing the note, press Next until the dialog box refers to the note you want to not play, and then click on the Playback checkbox. (this all from memory but it's not unstraightforward.) Matthew Sent from my iPhone On 17/06/2011, at 8:04 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. haroldoma...@gmail.com wrote: How do I get to mute just one note in playback? I did set the key velocity of the note I want muted to zero in the MIDI Tool window but the note still sounds during playback. Is there anything else I need to do so it will not play? Harold ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] set velocity to zero
Yeah, that is a bit of a mystery to me too. There must be logic to it - I think that I used to go from looking at the durations and guessing from there. Glad that it worked, Matthew On 17/06/11 9:06 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: Thank you very much. It worked, as per your instructions. It was easy to find the note to mute because it was the first one in the measure, but how do you figure out what entry is being referred by the window when there are many of them in a measure and they are referred to by entry number, as in the case in question was entry 905 or something like that? Harold At 20:33 +1000 17/06/11, Matthew Hindson Gma wrote: I think Jari made a plugin for that. Alternatively if on Mac go to Speedy Entry Tool, option click on the bar containing the note, press Next until the dialog box refers to the note you want to not play, and then click on the Playback checkbox. (this all from memory but it's not unstraightforward.) Matthew Sent from my iPhone On 17/06/2011, at 8:04 PM, Haroldo Mauro Jr.haroldoma...@gmail.com wrote: How do I get to mute just one note in playback? I did set the key velocity of the note I want muted to zero in the MIDI Tool window but the note still sounds during playback. Is there anything else I need to do so it will not play? Harold ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
Me too. I have a 27 iMac with a 2nd 24 monitor attached in portrait mode. Worth every cent. Screen real estate is gold and improves productivity substantially. I have a laptop at work and it's almost painful in comparison. Matthew Sent from my iPhone On 24/05/2011, at 5:22 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: That's what I think too. I have a 27 iMac, and it is satisfying and trouble free. A little extra RAM can help. (Full disclosure - I've always used Macs and have little experience with Windows. Still, I am confident in giving this recommendation.) Chuck On May 23, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Get an iMac. -- Eric Dannewitz Musician/Polymath On Monday, May 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Lee Dengler wrote: Hi All, I need to purchase a new desktop computer. I am running Finale 2010 Windows at the present and will likely upgrade to 2012 when it comes out. I engrave full orchestrations and want to be able to play any and all of the sounds. I also want something that I will not outgrow in a few years. Any suggestions would greatly appreciated. Lee Dengler leedeng...@comcast.net Lee Dengler Consulting Editor, Jubilate Music Director, Goshen Community Chorale Minister of Music, College Mennonite Church Composer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-3162 phone: (503) 926-7952 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fwd: New plug-in: JW Make Finale Work Properly
Yeah, well, the situation was probably that the engraver had little to no time to do it, and wasn't paid that much, and there was no adequate proof reader on the publisher end with time to go over their work. Not that that's an acceptable excuse, espec for a big company like Peters, but it seems to be prevalent doesn't it. What I find surprising with my students is that there is so often a (wilful?) ignorance regarding score output, ie quality. I have seen some doozies lately, and the composers just shrug their shoulders as if Sibelius absolves them of all responsibility in this regard. /rant On the plus side, we have one extraordinarily talented young guy here in Sydney in the field of engraving, so not all is lost. Matthew Sent from my iPhone On 05/04/2011, at 4:35 PM, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: On 2011-04-05 02:26, SN jef chippewa wrote: Next month: SuperJari presents a real and functioning GUI for Score. Sorry, that GUI will be delayed, since working on that eye-sight- test script for Sib users takes so much time. ;-) Unfortunatelly, it seems like I'll have to port this test to Finale as well: Today I'm going to rehearse Mahler's 6th with a new Mahler edition (C F Peters) from last year, with lifeless pages and so much laziness from the editor/engraver going on all over the pages. I'm not looking forward to play from this material. Apologies in advance to any on the list that might have worked on that Mahler material. I just think that because it becomes easier and easier to produce material that looks decent, you have to work even harder on really questioning the default output. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staves (was: notation for synthesizer
What about harp parts? Anyone remove staves in those? Matthew Sent from my iPhone On 05/04/2011, at 8:32 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Steve, Yeah, there is basically no good reason not to remove empty staves on piano parts, other than mindless fidelity to tradition. And believe me, I understand that in certain contexts, mindless fidelity to tradition is exactly what's required! (As I said in my previous email, I would always make the piano parts in orchestral music grand staves, because orchestral pianists are *exactly* the kind of musicians to raise a snit about any deviation from the norm.) But the tide is definitely turning on this one. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 4 Apr 2011, at 6:12 PM, Steve Parker wrote: On 4 Apr 2011, at 21:11, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's of course fine to use a singe staff for piano parts as well Of course... but it is surprising how many piano (and synth) parts I play that have pages and pages with one stave of two empty! Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Resizing staves maintaining vertical layout?
Can anyone suggest another way to do this - I want to maintain the vertical layout on the page, but increase the size of each staff. Presently I've been doing this by changing the % of each staff using the % tool, but it's rather tedious, especially for a large orchestral score... Thanks Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Resizing staves maintaining vertical layout?
It pushes everything down, i.e. makes space for the resized staves. What I want is to increase the size of the staff but maintaining each staff position on the page. Matthew On 9/03/11 8:47 AM, Steve Parker wrote: I may not be understanding.. Does Page Layout: Resize Staff System not do what you want? Steve P. On 8 Mar 2011, at 21:19, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: Can anyone suggest another way to do this - I want to maintain the vertical layout on the page, but increase the size of each staff. Presently I've been doing this by changing the % of each staff using the % tool, but it's rather tedious, especially for a large orchestral score... Thanks Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW Sequence
Interesting indeed. In the video is says to note how the accidentals are handled - so from what I can see, if there's an accidental on the first note, it is applied to all the notes in the sequence? Matthew On 20/02/11 8:54 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! Here's a demo video of a new plug-in, that should be available soon. The plug-in is called JW Sequence and it can be use to apply a sequence of notes to any pitch(es). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bh_5IztaCY Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copyright symbol not printing
Not much help, but just to let you know that you are not alone, Nick - I have had continual trouble with this over some years, especially when creating a PDF - it would turn into a Yen ¥ sign for some bizarre reason. And with Times too. Cheers Matthew On 20/02/11 8:05 AM, Nick Raspa wrote: Just back from the printer and changing fonts solved the problem. I don't quite understand why times doesn't work. I never had problems with it before. But at least this took care of the problem. I also like the fact that the symbol is a little larger with the new font and stands out more. Thanks to everyone who responded. Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:46 AM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: why times won't print i can't answer, but have you tried using another font just for the symbol? i like using verdana, the letter height is slightly larger than in other fonts (at the same point size), so the symbol stands out better. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Playback crashes Finale
Has anyone encountered the situation wherein trying to play back a score crashes totally out of Finale? This is using Finale 2010 on OS X. I have tried Data Check but to no avail. Frustratingly, this is the very last thing I am trying to do with this piece, i.e. create a MIDI mockup - it hasn't done this before on any consistent basis. Everything else seems fine - but now it crashes every single time, even on old versions of the file. It crashes out when going through Score Items. Probably an HP issue? Is there such a thing as HP Preferences that I could trash? Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Playback crashes Finale
Replying to my own email: downloading the demo of Finale 2011 solved the playback problem, i.e. it plays back using Finale 2011. Must have been a known bug fixed in the later version. Matthew On 20/02/11 11:41 AM, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: Has anyone encountered the situation wherein trying to play back a score crashes totally out of Finale? This is using Finale 2010 on OS X. I have tried Data Check but to no avail. Frustratingly, this is the very last thing I am trying to do with this piece, i.e. create a MIDI mockup - it hasn't done this before on any consistent basis. Everything else seems fine - but now it crashes every single time, even on old versions of the file. It crashes out when going through Score Items. Probably an HP issue? Is there such a thing as HP Preferences that I could trash? Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback crashes Finale
Thanks Jim, indeed have several. Will check it out. Matthew On 20/02/11 12:05 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: There had been a problem in 2010 PC with the three-line tremolo/drumroll symbol. Got one of those in your score? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Feb 19, 2011, at 8:02 PM, Matthew Hindson (gmail)mhindson2...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone encountered the situation wherein trying to play back a score crashes totally out of Finale? This is using Finale 2010 on OS X. I have tried Data Check but to no avail. Frustratingly, this is the very last thing I am trying to do with this piece, i.e. create a MIDI mockup - it hasn't done this before on any consistent basis. Everything else seems fine - but now it crashes every single time, even on old versions of the file. It crashes out when going through Score Items. Probably an HP issue? Is there such a thing as HP Preferences that I could trash? Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New plug-in: JW Drop 2nds
A possible suggestion for a further extension or spin-off from what is being implied in this plugin: Oftentimes there might be a passage with, say, four-note and five-note chords, and one might want to remove the all the bottom notes, leaving the top two. Or, say, leave only the 2nd and 3rd lowest notes from a series of chords. I know that presently the best way to do this is to use the Explode feature of Finale but I've found it to be inconsistent and at times, it re-transcribes the music so is not always so useful. In order to get it accurate, the best way I've found is to go into Speedy and remove them manually. But this is time consuming. Would this be an easy enough thing to do with a plugin? Matthew On 12/02/11 5:58 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2011-02-12 01:14, Chuck Israels wrote: You are thinking of so many useful things! I don't know if this is needed - seems like one of those things you won't know how useful it will be until you have used it a while, but it is certainly something we do all the time. Thanks. Thanks Chuck. I think the important thing with these small plug-ins is that you organize them in a way in the Plug-ins menu where you'll find them directly when you need them. For example, a submenu folder called Block Harmony might make sense in this case? Forgot to mention: the Drop 2nds plug-in will work with parts directly, without any tricks on the Mac side. I'll update all the previous Mac plug-ins later. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New plug-in: JW Drop 2nds
I must have missed JW Keep Line - I use TGTools to extract single lines from choral passages. But yes, it sounds like an extension of this, except that one should be able to keep any number of notes from each chord, not just one, and that it should be able to extract note-lines from any place in the chord (a la TGTools, where you can specify to keep, for example, the 2nd bottom note of each chord). By the way, JW Rotate Chord looks fantastic. Just noticed it. Matthew On 13/02/11 4:18 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2011-02-12 12:57, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: A possible suggestion for a further extension or spin-off from what is being implied in this plugin: Oftentimes there might be a passage with, say, four-note and five-note chords, and one might want to remove the all the bottom notes, leaving the top two. Or, say, leave only the 2nd and 3rd lowest notes from a series of chords. I know that presently the best way to do this is to use the Explode feature of Finale but I've found it to be inconsistent and at times, it re-transcribes the music so is not always so useful. In order to get it accurate, the best way I've found is to go into Speedy and remove them manually. But this is time consuming. Do I understand you correctly that this would be the reverse behaviour of JW Keep Line? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New plug-in: JW Drop 2nds
Except if Makemusic buy them, I don't want to have to wait a year for MM to upgrade Finale to upgrade the plugins, and I don't want to have to spend hundreds of $ upgrading Finale just to upgrade the plugins, and I don't want to have my suggestions for improvements vanish into the ether with little to no feedback on them. Matthew On 13/02/11 3:52 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Or better yet..have make music buy up the Plugins Sent from my iSomething On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:30 AM, Nigel Hanleyi...@nigelhanley.com wrote: Mathew, I second that suggestion! Jari, you really should charge us a license fee! - Nigel Hanley On 12/02/2011, at 10:57 PM, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: A possible suggestion for a further extension or spin-off from what is being implied in this plugin: Oftentimes there might be a passage with, say, four-note and five-note chords, and one might want to remove the all the bottom notes, leaving the top two. Or, say, leave only the 2nd and 3rd lowest notes from a series of chords. I know that presently the best way to do this is to use the Explode feature of Finale but I've found it to be inconsistent and at times, it re-transcribes the music so is not always so useful. In order to get it accurate, the best way I've found is to go into Speedy and remove them manually. But this is time consuming. Would this be an easy enough thing to do with a plugin? Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Chord symbols, #s and bs (F2010)
Is this a common problem? I am analysing chords by One or Two staff analysis. If I have an F# major chord, for example, it will come up with Gb chord symbol, despite what my preferences are as Favour Sharps. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Playback oddities
I wonder if anyone else has encountered this and found a solution? There a part in a piece that (1) plays a mordent and a turn on a note where there is none, and (2) slows down immensely on the start of a bar for about 1/16th note and then goes back to normal. I have tried using JW Tempo to force the slowdown not to occur on the start of the (2) problem, but to no avail. There is no inordinate number of notes at either point, no hidden (or visible) expressions or articulations. Thanks for any help anyone can give to this annoying problem. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MuseScore vs. Finale
Actually on the Mac (Finale 2010), just 4 on its own within the selection tool does the job. No modifier needed. On 2/02/11 6:20 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2011-02-02 05:04, Raymond Horton wrote: There's no tool called the MassMover Tool anymore and 4 (without modifier key) isn't used for spacing. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MuseScore vs. Finale
I haven't used it for a project, though my undergrad composition students are increasingly coming in with experience in using the software (and I do nothing to discourage them from continuing to use it). - I think that it's the third most capable music notation application out there, behind Finale and Sibelius of course. - The level of improvement in the software is in leaps and bounds. It's also great seeing it's open source and so you can see the bugs and how they're being repaired http://musescore.org/en/project/issues. Suggestions are sometimes actually implemented into the software without having to wait years! Also things like their being so many translations of the software into different languages is a leader in the sector as far as I know. - There are a few extremely active developers working on the software. Without them... who knows what the future might hold. - It's not as flexible, graphics-wise, as Finale. - It can crash a bit. There is always nervousness when doing something that might be seen to 'push' the application. - It's great that things like XML are embedded into the application itself. - Graphically speaking (i.e. output), it's behind the 8-ball. It would be excellent to have some developers who are finicky music engravers to take the software to the next level. - GUI wise, the same. There are some oddities and in some areas the level of esoterica rivals Finale (e.g. the preferences box) - perhaps due to its Linux heritage. - Playback not in the same league as Finale. HTH Matthew On 1/02/11 8:51 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: Does anyone on the list have any experience with MuseScore? Have you ever used it for a project, and if so what are its strengths/weaknesses relative to Finale? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Feedback wanted: Rest spacing plug-in
As I recall, there is the Measure Width function in TGTools which gives some proportionality to bars rest and multi-bars rest. Works well - well it used to. Maybe what you're proposing takes this further. Matthew Sent from my iPhone On 30/01/2011, at 8:50 PM, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: On 2011-01-29 23:35, David W. Fenton wrote: On 29 Jan 2011 at 21:56, Jari Williamsson wrote: I'm planning to create a plug-in to space full measure rests proportionally. The things that the plug-in should handle: * A full measure rests with long time signature should require more space than a full measure rest with a short time signature It seems to me, this only matters when you have mixed time signatures. When there's a single long time signature, I want the empty measures taking up as little space as possible, as long as it's still legible. Yes, this is for parts that mix time signatures a lot. Currently, a part that has full rests on one staff with 2/4, 7/4, 2/4, 7/4 becomes almost unreadable when all measures are of the same width. * A long multimeasure rests should require more space than a short multimeasure rest I find spacing of multimeasure rests problematic -- they don't respond to layout updates the way other measures do, and I find I often have to set them manually. They are almost always too wide in Finale's default spacing, but I don't know what rule I'd propose. I think the default behaviour in Finale has always(?) been to set it to 360 EVPUs, regardless of how many measure rests. One thing I would say is that there should be a ceiling on how wide the multi-measure rest ever gets, rather than width proportional to the number of measures. While a 6-measure rest should be wider than a 2-measure rest, I don't think a 24-measure rest should be wider than a 12-measure rest, certainly not twice as wide. I agree about a ceiling. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: historical analogy
I remember some years ago seeing a collection of 100 different recordings/arrangements of Gershwin's 'Summertime' that had been done by a variety of folks since its composition. Matthew Sent from my iPhone On 29/01/2011, at 1:32 AM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: No Finale content here (except that I am writing an article that includes a score and examples done in Finale). Thomas Crecquillon wrote Ung Gay Bergier (A Happy Shepherd?) in the first half of the 16th century. It became one of the greatest hits of the next few decades inspiring nearly three dozen known versions for keyboard and lute. For instance, Simone Molinaro published an elaborated intabulation for lute more than 50 years later. By analogy, in the 21st century, what is today's equivalent of Ung Gay Bergier, i.e. a piece of music decades old that is a favorite for recasting in new arrangements? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: historical analogy
Actually, speaking of YouTube, perhaps the theme from Super Mario Bros is another candidate amongst the younger generations (including remixes). On 29/01/11 8:18 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: The first thing I thought of Pachelbel's Canon, which has many 21st century arrangements (see YouTube for canon rock), ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Jazz chord names
Forgive if this is a dumb or simplistic question, but does anyone know of such a thing on the 'net wherein you can specify letter names and it will give the variety of jazz chord names for such a chord? Thanks in advance Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
{Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: Jazz chord names
So, something like: E G# A# B# D and it will give whatever it is (Eaug7#11?) (Sorry if the chord is wrong, I'm not much of a jazz theoretician.) Matthew On 27/01/11 12:43 PM, dershem wrote: On 1/26/2011 4:55 PM, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: Forgive if this is a dumb or simplistic question, but does anyone know of such a thing on the 'net wherein you can specify letter names and it will give the variety of jazz chord names for such a chord? Thanks in advance Matthew Not sure what you mean. Can you give an example? cd ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Jazz chord names
Thanks Darcy and all, I've always wondered how the minor-major chord was indicated, as well as the whole added-note thing. Makes a lot of sense. Do you ever use things like Cadd2 to indicate CDEG? Or from what you write below, you would write C(9)? And I note that you don't use the aug7 suffix anywhere - is there any reason for that? Is it not used in jazz very much? With 11th chords, I believe the convention is to omit the 3rd? (Presumably if it's based on a major triad, unlike your examples below). If the 3rd is actually desired, is it necessary to add it in explicitly into the symbols? Thanks again, it's very useful, esp coming from a more figured-bass centric world. Also, I tried the MIDI Analysis of my original chord EG#A#B#D using Finale after Christopher's suggestion and it gave me BbM9(b5)/E which I suppose is fine given it didn't know the spelling of what I was after. Analysing the written pitches using One-Staff Analysis resulted in Bb7(#11)/E, even though there is no Bb in the chord. For CDEG, Finale gave Em7(#5)/C for crying out loud. So it's of course an inexact science, as folks have pointed out. Cheers Matthew On 27/01/11 4:21 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Matt, As Chuck said, I typed this quickly -- too quickly, in fact. Please allow me to correct some typos: Root + m3 + dim5 + m7 = ø [or mi7(b5)] -- C Eb Gb Bb = I was missing the chord symbol at the end there -- should be: Root + m3 + dim5 + m7 = ø [or mi7(b5)] -- C Eb Gb Bb = *Cø [or Cmi7(b5)]* Root + MA3 (+ P5) + m7 + MA9 + MA13 = MA13 -- C E (G) B D A = CMA13 Typo there on the seventh -- should be MA7, of course: Root + MA3 (+ P5) + *MA7* + MA9 + MA13 = MA13 -- C E (G) B D A = CMA13 Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 26 Jan 2011, at 11:58 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Matt, Close: E G# A# B# D = E7 (#11 #5) (Though the actual chord symbol would have the #11 stacked vertically above the #5, with both alterations enclosed in tall brackets.) I've never encountered what you are looking for on the internet but you could do worse than to pick up The Jazz Theory Book by Mark Levine. But the short version is that jazz chord quality is determined by the basic chord tones --i.e., the root, 3rd and 7th: Root + MA3 + MA7 = MA7 -- C E B = CMA7 Root + MA3 + mi7 = 7 -- C Eb Bb = Cmi7 Root + m3 + MA7 = mi(MA)7 -- C Eb B = Cmi(MA7) Root + m3 + m7 = mi7 -- C Eb Bb = Cmi7 The natural fifth can be added to all of the above chords, but it's not essential. Fully diminished and half-diminshed chords require a (flattened) 5th in addition to the 3rd and 7th: Root + m3 + dim5 + m7 = ø [or mi7(b5)] -- C Eb Gb Bb = Root + m3 + dim5 + dim7 = o7 [or dim7] -- C Eb Gb Bbb = Co7 On MA7 and mi(MA)7 chords, you can substitute the 6th for the seventh -- this is frequently done to avoid a clash when the root is in the melody: Root + MA3 (+ P5) + MA6 = 6 -- C E (G) A = C6 Root + mi3 (+ P5) + MA6 = mi6 -- C Eb (G) A = Cmi6 Natural extensions are the 9th and 13th -- they can be indicated by replacing 7 with 9 or 13. The 13th implies the presence of a 9th. For instance: Root + MA3 (+ P5) + MA7 + MA9 = MA9 -- C E (G) B D = CMA9 Root + MA3 (+ P5) + m7 + MA9 + MA13 = MA13 -- C E (G) B D A = CMA13 On minor chords, the 11th is also available as a natural extension (and implies the presence of a 9th): Root + mi3 (+ P5) + mi7 + MA9 + P11 = mi11 -- C Eb (G) Bb D F = Cmi11 Root + mi3 (+ P5) + MA7 + MA9 + P11 = mi11(MA7) -- C Eb (G) B D F = Cmi11(MA7) Alterations include #5ths, b9ths, #9ths, #and 11ths. Alterations are most often applied to dominant seventh chords. They are listed in parentheses. Multiple alterations are usually stacked vertically, with the highest alteration on top. (That's hard to do in email without resorting to fixed-width fonts, so I won't do that here -- I'll just list them horizontally.) Root + MA3 + mi7 + aug9 = 7(#9) -- C E Bb D# = C7(#9) Root + MA3 + mi7+ mi9 + aug11 + MA13 = 13 (#11 b9) = C E Bb Db F# A = C13 (#11 b9) There's obviously a lot more to it, but the above outlines the basic principles and should allow you to generate understandable chord symbols for most commonly-used jazz chords. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 26 Jan 2011, at 10:47 PM, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: So, something like: E G# A# B# D and it will give whatever it is (Eaug7#11?) (Sorry if the chord is wrong, I'm not much of a jazz theoretician.) Matthew On 27/01/11 12:43 PM, dershem wrote: On 1/26/2011 4:55 PM, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: Forgive if this is a dumb or simplistic question, but does anyone know of such a thing on the 'net wherein you can specify letter names and it will give the variety of jazz chord names for such a chord? Thanks in advance Matthew Not sure what you mean. Can you give an example? cd ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http
Re: [Finale] OT: Jazz chord names
Yes, the minor-major 7th I should have said. Interesting with the alterations of the 5th and it being like any other alteration, plus the way that added notes are indicated, not to mention the use of G4 (as below), we're perhaps not that far away from figured bass after all any more, at least in some senses. I learn something new every day. :) Thanks again for this wealth of interesting knowledge, Matthew On 27/01/11 5:41 PM, Nigel Hanley wrote: I no longer use Cadd2 but simply C2. I'd like to use G4 instead of Gsus4, but feel that's going a bit far. minor-major chord? Cmi(ma7)Is that what you meant? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Quick Q: copy page layout one page to the next
I believe that TGTools can do this (e.g. for a page containing 3 systems, want to copy the layout to all other pages). But which part of TGTools? thanks Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Boxes around text
You said on a page. For non-page-attached text, I use the Enclosures feature within Expressions to put boxes around text. Also you can have a variety of shapes. Matthew On 16/01/11 2:52 AM, Richard Yates wrote: Unless it's changed since Finale2007: Text Tool, create some text. Text menu, Standard Frame, type in the line thickness that you want. (Years ago I did a whole book of text and music using only Finale 1998!) Richard Yates What is the sensible method for putting text on a page with a box round it? I've scoured the manual.. Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
Don't forget to assign your blank box expression to a metatool. Otherwise, if you enter it 'manually' into the score a number of times from the same shape (Expression), and change one of them, it will change all of them. The same if you copy one from one system to the other. Also write to Makemusic and request that they introduce boxes and circles, with fills, as (custom) smart-shapes - this would make life so much easier! Matthew On 10/01/11 6:55 AM, Steve Parker wrote: Yes.. I'd just about got there.. Turning off 'allow horizontal stretching' helps. It would be good to attach it to the page rather than to a measure. Actually that would be good for all expressions too. For me I think it is workable as the very last step before publishing. Steve P. On 9 Jan 2011, at 19:45, Christopher Smith wrote: What you won't understand is why it never reacts the way you think it should once you get it into the score. I can't even get a shape expression to appear in the same place twice when I look at it. I can't stand the damned thing, and never use it as a result. christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Microtonal Playback
If you don't care about playback, I created my Accidentals font to enable microtonal notation. What I do is replace the characters for unused accidentals in a piece e.g. x, bb, (b) or (x) with microtonal accidentals, using the relevant Document Options. Obviously this is limiting in terms of the numbers of possible microtonal accidentals usuable, but it makes entry very easy using Speedy Entry, and it's not necessary to muck around with placement of accidentals a la the Articulation tool. Matthew On 10/01/11 8:15 AM, Steve Parker wrote: On 9 Jan 2011, at 21:04, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Have you had any luck with microtonal scores in other notation software? No. I'm happy that Finale makes it so easy to attach the accidentals. I don't really require the playback. Just had a moment of excitement when I connected the dots between the Key Sig tool and Aria's Scala import. Unfortunately the dots are still too far apart. Maybe in the future. Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New plug-in: JW Fermata Checker
This is going to be an excellent tool for so many people Jari, in terms of saving rehearsal time. I know what it's like to mistakenly omit a pause from one part and chaos ensues... Thanks again for your generosity in releasing this, Cheers Matthew On 7/01/11 2:18 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! A new (Windows) plug-in is now available, called JW Fermata Checker. It's a diagnostic tool to verify that all parts have fermatas in the fermata measures. Checks for articulation and expression fermatas in the following fonts: Maestro, Maestro Wide, EngraverFontSet, Jazz, Broadway Copyist, Articulations (by Bill Duncan). For Finale 2009 and above. Download from the Finale tips site: www.finaletips.nu Downloads section, Plug-ins for Windows subsection. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Further plugin ideas (for Jari)
Thanks Jari for your latest plugins - I look forward to using them when they get to OS X. It's very generous of you. In case you are looking for any further ideas: How feasible (or not) would be a plugin that adds a smart shape for the duration of the selected region? e.g. have a section selected, and then it adds a smart shape to that. The reasons why this would be useful: - it would enable adding e.g. crescendos to multiple selected staves at once. Furthermore these would presumably be the same length, which is not easily possible to achieve at present (it's necessary to use Robert Patterson's Mass Copy plugin). The result would be better, visually. - it would make it easier to apply smart shapes to longer regions that go across pages in Scroll View. At present as you would know, it's necessary to scroll across, reselect the smart shape, click and drag the end of it to the edge of the page, repeat as necessary. - it would avoid the dreaded unwanted smart shape artifact when, by adding smart shapes manually, the smart shape inadvertently extends into the start of the following bar and thus onto the following system across a system break. Anyway, just for your consideration, Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Further plugin ideas (for Jari)
Thanks for the tip, Darcy. I tend avoid changing the filter settings because then it can be a bit of a hassle changing it all back i.e. if it's more than All or None. If there were programmable Filter presets available of course, that would help things. Interesting also re. the align vertically command. I presume that this is in Finale 2011? In an ideal world, one would be able to option-arrow to copy smart shapes from one staff to another, as is the case with expressions. Maybe in Finale 2012. Thanks Matthew F2010 OS X On 29/12/10 11:08 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I definitely second this request -- adding identical hairpins to multiple staves at once would be *extremely* useful. However, I should point out that in the interim, it's not necessary to use Mass Copy to copy hairpins between staves. You can simply use the Filter to select only measure-attached smart shapes. (Of course, this assumes that the source and destination staves do not use any *other* measure-attached smart shapes -- but if you're careful about the order in which you add Smart Shapes, this usually isn't too much of a problem.) You can also select a group of hairpins and make them all the same length by choosing Align vertically from the contextual menu. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 28 Dec 2010, at 3:26 PM, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: Thanks Jari for your latest plugins - I look forward to using them when they get to OS X. It's very generous of you. In case you are looking for any further ideas: How feasible (or not) would be a plugin that adds a smart shape for the duration of the selected region? e.g. have a section selected, and then it adds a smart shape to that. The reasons why this would be useful: - it would enable adding e.g. crescendos to multiple selected staves at once. Furthermore these would presumably be the same length, which is not easily possible to achieve at present (it's necessary to use Robert Patterson's Mass Copy plugin). The result would be better, visually. - it would make it easier to apply smart shapes to longer regions that go across pages in Scroll View. At present as you would know, it's necessary to scroll across, reselect the smart shape, click and drag the end of it to the edge of the page, repeat as necessary. - it would avoid the dreaded unwanted smart shape artifact when, by adding smart shapes manually, the smart shape inadvertently extends into the start of the following bar and thus onto the following system across a system break. Anyway, just for your consideration, Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] STAFF STYLE and Multrests appearances on parts
I found with this that when putting them in (F2010) that it's necessary to select Add Staff Style to score and parts or whatever it's called from the context menu. I don't think just the metatools enables this automatically, sadly. Otherwise (in my experience) they have to be re-entered for the parts. Or you have to go back into the score and there's a context menu I believe that enables you to apply it to score and parts if you haven't in the first place. Hopefully someone has a simpler solution because it's @#...@# annoying. Matthew On 29/12/10 5:46 PM, Kim Richmond wrote: Something I cannot understand, but you all probably have covered it long ago, concerns Staff Styles in the newer versions. I'm on MacFin2011 but I think this was true of 2010 also. After having put in Staff Styles such as slashes on the score for various parts using chord symbols, when I go to the part to format it, the Staff Styles do not appear. Why? This way I have to put them in again for EACH part. The same is true about Multirests. Even though I do a Create/Multirests in the score before I go to the parts, I find that I have to do that for EACH part. That can't be right. All the best, KIM R ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] {Spam} Good slur settings? F2010
Does anyone have any good general slur settings they would like to share? I am getting rather sick of the enormous height of slurs that Finale creates over long phrases with large ranges, and am at a loss to find much better despite attempts at changing the settings. Thanks for any help, Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bizarre playback
3) A tempo change (crotchet = 60 becomes crotchet = 90) only lasts about 1/2 bar before reverting to the previous tempo. When this happens to me, I use Jari Williamsson's JW Tempo plugin to force it to manually override the unpredictable vagaries. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] {Spam} Merge layers plugin?
Is there a plugin that can combine/simplify two layers into one? Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics
My 2c from being a composer and very-ex-string-player: For orchestral/large chamber writing, I've come to the conclusion that apart from octave harmonics, I write them all as tablature markings with diamond shaped noteheads. Even natural harmonics at the fifth, fourth etc. Otherwise (in my experience) one has to spend time in rehearsals answering questions about what is meant, or else correcting players who are playing it incorrectly. For solo, small chamber and double bass high harmonics, I may use round noteheads with circles. Cheers Matthew On 13/12/10 9:54 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: Hi all, In notating string harmonics, Forsyth and Gardner Read say that a notehead with an o over it indicates a natural harmonic, while a notehead with a diamond notehead a fourth above should be used for artificial harmonics. Del Mar, though, says that according to one school of thought it's best to write all harmonics with the o notation, leaving it up to the player to work out the best way of producing that particular note. For me looking at a score, I do like this latter method, since it shows the sounding pitches of the harmonics. But I'm not a string player. What do the string players out there think? If you saw a note with a o over it that could only be produced as an artificial harmonic, would that be confusing? Or would it be clear what is meant? Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] printing output vs. finale file/pdf
The problem is in the font character itself. There's an extra 'point' on one of the lines which causes the problem. Removing this in a font application like Fontographer fixes it. The failsafe solution is to use the Engraver Font Set tremolo sign as well. Though this is not as nice as the Maestro/Maestro Wide one. Matthew On 30/11/10 3:56 AM, Nick Raspa wrote: Thanks Steve. I'll take a look at downloading the new font. I did find it strange that, with all the parts to two different orchestral pieces, the only character that was troublesome was the triple slash. Nick On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: Hello Nick, I recall there being an issue with this character due to poorly created fonts from MM. Not sure if it was the 2k6 font but I think it was. I suggest going to MM website and download the current font pack. What happens is this one slash appears on screen but is not set to print. I looked into this issue a long time ago using Fontographer and was able to fix it within Fontographer. Replacing the font should take care of this If you want to test this, change the character to a different font. I know it only happens in one font and I think it's Maestro Wide. Actually you should be able to change just that three line slash to just plain Maestro and you will not see any difference in the character's look since Maestro Wide's only differences are notehead sizes. Hope that helps. Cheers, Steve 11/26/10 5:50 PM, Nick Raspa nj...@me.com wrote: I am using FinMac 2K6d. I have a marimba file which has been formatted for a 10 x 13 page size. I don't have a large format printer, so I have to do the final draft by taking the work to kinkos. The format was correct but the rolls didn't come out right. There should be three slashes for each note rolled note, however, there are only two on the printout and they are separated by a large space. It looks like one of the slashes is missing (the one in the middle perhaps). I took a look at the original finale file and all three are there. I took a look at the page size and it is correct (although the pdf file shows letter size - but then all the other files do as well and they came out fine. Actually, the marimba part is formatted properly based on 10 x 13 as well...I don't understand this but it doesn't seem that page format is the problem - but I may be wrong.) I printed the part on my printer and, despite not being a large format printer, what I got was letter size and correct. There doesn't seem to be anything in the original notation that needs to be corrected, but somewhere in the formatting(??). I have uploaded both the scanned image of the problematic copy and a pdf of the original finale file. I am not sure where the problem is but I venture to guess that until I push the right button, the printout from Kinkos won't change. Anyone have a suggestion? Here is a link to the two files: https://public.me.com/njrmuse The one marked marimba scanned is the problematic image from kinkos and the one marked pdf is from the original finale file. Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale hsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Triangle-shaped enclosures
Has anyone experienced any problem with triangle-shaped enclosures not importing correctly into Finale 2010 documents, i.e. where the triangles were created in a previous version. These are expressions. Very annoying. I don't want to have to do all the conductor indications from scratch! Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Behind Bars
I have seen this book, both when it was being written, and on a recent trip to the UK. (Faber, who publish this book, are my publishers). Elaine Gould is a super, super fussy editor, which is exactly what is required of course from such a position. This is her labour of love covering about 20 years or so of work, if I remember correctly. It's a really comprehensive volume. It's not like what I remember of the Read book so much, i.e. in terms of being mostly about what symbols etc. to use, but also like the Ted Ross book. I thoroughly recommend this book - in fact I have made all my students buy it and have ordered it myself. Such volumes don't come around very often. Perhaps the easiest thing to see is the PDF with sample pages. I have it on my site at http://www.hindson.com.au/bb/ Faber have a special deal going at the moment whereby you can save $$/££ before 31 Dec 2010. Details are in the PDF. For the UK the brochure is at: http://behindbarsnotation.co.uk/brochure/blad.pdf Matthew On 23/09/10 6:25 PM, Bob Morabito wrote: Any thoughts on this? http://www.behindbarsnotation.co.uk/ Behind Bars is the indispensable reference book for composers, arrangers, teachers and students of composition, editors, and music processors. In the most thorough and painstakingly researched book to be published since the 1980s, specialist music editor Elaine Gould provides a comprehensive grounding in notational principles. Behind Bars covers everything from basic rules, conventions and themes to complex instrumental techniques, empowering the reader to prepare music with total clarity and precision. With the advent of computer technology, it has never been more important for musicians to have ready access to principles of best practice in this dynamic field, and this timely book will support the endeavours of software users and devotees of hand-copying alike. The author’s understanding of, and passion for, her subject has resulted in a book that is not only practical but also compellingly readable. Supported by 1,500 music examples of published scores from Bach to Xenakis, this seminal and all-encompassing guide encourages new standards of excellence and accuracy. ISBN10: 057151461 EAN13: 978-0571514564 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Behind Bars
Heard back from Faber - the price is a pre-release price, sadly. So it won't be delivered until Jan. Matthew On 23/09/10 7:38 PM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: One matter didn’t occur clearly to me when reading the site linked to by the OP: Is this book ready for immediate delivery if ordered now? (Shipping to Denmark from the UK isn’t much of a delay). Klaus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Behind Bars
If you have the full version of Acrobat, you can run Form Field Recognition on the PDF which allows you to type in the information. (I just tried it and it works). Matthew On 24/09/10 10:03 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: Thank you! However this comes up as the lesser problem for me. The edition wants buyers to print an order form, fill it, and send it to them. I no longer have a legible handwriting (which was my reason for turning to the computer 19 years ago), as I don’t want to give away my credit card information to potential helpers, I see no immediate way to place an order. Klaus --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Matthew Hindson (gmail)mhindson2...@gmail.com wrote: From: Matthew Hindson (gmail)mhindson2...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Behind Bars To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 1:41 AM Heard back from Faber - the price is a pre-release price, sadly. So it won't be delivered until Jan. Matthew On 23/09/10 7:38 PM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: One matter didn’t occur clearly to me when reading the site linked to by the OP: Is this book ready for immediate delivery if ordered now? (Shipping to Denmark from the UK isn’t much of a delay). Klaus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW Space Systems broken w/Fin2011
Agree 100%. Jari's Plugin is really excellent, and why MakeMusic didn't integrate its features when they developed their own facility is beyond me. (Or why they didn't buy his plugin, even easier) A good reason not to upgrade to 2011. Thanks Darcy. Matthew On 31/07/10 2:16 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I should add that Finale's Space Systems Evenly command just. doesn't. cut. it. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 31 Jul 2010, at 12:13 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi all, JW Space Systems is incompatible with Finale 2011's new Hide/Show Empty Staves (which is the new way of optimizing scores). I know Jari no longer maintains or supports the JW Space Systems plugin, and I'm not sure Robert Patterson is interested in updating it for Fin2011, but I thought I would give everyone a heads-up on this issue. It's a serious drawback for me, at least, and I'd be interested in knowing if anyone has a good alternative. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Multi-measure rest bar widths reverting F2010
I have an unusual problem in that I am defining a multimeasure rest bar to be a certain length (30 spaces), but after I print (well, actually, during the process of printing) or save and reopen the file it reverts back to what it was previously. This is in a locked system. Has anyone else encountered this? Is it a known bug? The bad thing is that it prints wrongly, i.e. without the alterations. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Call for scores for chamber orchestra
Note that there is a £500 prize for this competition, but also a £25 entry fee. Presumably they're hoping to get 20+ entries. Matthew On 19/06/10 8:08 AM, Patsy Moore wrote: Hello Listers, The UK magazine Classical Music has an article in its most recent issue entitled Contemporary Conundrums, wondering why so few contemporary composers write for the sort of orchestra that's needed for e.g. symphonies by C. P. E. Bach, Haydn or Schubert. It makes the point that many new works don't make it past their first performance because the extra instruments needed, in particular large percussion sections, make them too expensive to put on. The article is part of a section in this issue of the magazine looking at various aspects of amateur music-making in the UK. http://www.rhinegold.co.uk/magazines/classical_music/ The reason I'm mentioning this is that at the end of the article there's a call for scores from a London orchestra: The Orchestra of St. Paul's, resident at the Actors' Church in Covent Garden, is inviting composers to submit works of six to nine minutes' duration, scored specifically for two oboes, one bassoon, two horns, and strings (3.2.2.2.1). There is no age limit. The judging panel will include the composer David Matthews and OSP's musical director Ben Palmer [writer of the article]. The winning piece will be performed at St. Paul's in June 2011. The deadline for submissions is Friday 14 January 2011. For further details visit www.orchestraofstpauls.co.uk I've also sent this to Orchestralist. Patsy ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 now available for pre-order
For David and any other Aussies, a great price comparison website for books is http://booko.com.au. This includes postage from OS in the total price so you can really see what it costs. Speaking of postage and being non-US, I wonder what the Australian distributors will charge for this F2011 upgrade. We seem to pay significantly more over here for every upgrade. Matthew On 27/05/10 12:10 AM, David McKay wrote: It certainly is amazing the difference in price that we overseas geezers are asked to pay for shipping, Daniel. I bought a book recently, supposedly at a special discount, but the postage charged was more than 100% of the book price. Over the past year I've come across The Book Depository, whose price may initally look a little more expensive, until you realise that all their prices include postage to anywhere in the world. suddnely, they look really attractive. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: orchestral piece for education
Dear listers, Something different: I'm racking my brains to give my 1st year beginner music theory students a public domain orchestra piece that is a good demonstration of the different instrument families of the orchestra and introductory score reading. My first thought was perhaps Jupiter from The Planets, or maybe something from The Nutcracker, but are there any other suggestions? thanks Mathtew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale spacing issue: F2009, OS X
In the linked image: http://imgur.com/Aux4V.png you will notice the bad spacing between notes 2 and 3. Apart from manually adjusting the third or second notes using the appropriate Special Tool, the normal Music Spacing options have no effect. Has anyone else run into this? Avoid collision of notes and accidentals is checked in the Music Spacing options. The spacing is being applied to this particular part only, i.e. there are no other staves affecting the spacing. The other bars in the part have no problems with spacing, even the same figure in later bars have no clashes, so it's not that the spacing is generally squishy. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Duplicate an entire staff and its contents?
Can anyone suggest of a way to do this, beyond Copy/Drag/Hope-for-the-best etc? Finale 2009 OS X. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] [OT] my 1st mac laptop -- suggestions?
Here is the site that has info on Apple product life cycles: http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ The bottom MacBook Pro is a ripoff, really. Only a 160GB Hard Drive in there which is ridiculous. Even the MacBook, the lower model, has 250GB. So I expect at least a bump in that area when the MacBook Pro is revised. SN jef chippewa wrote: crap... i have a big job mid-jan that will be death for the mini, and i have from now until then to sort out the upgrade over the next month... but not during the job. any ideas or speculations as to what the upgrade might entail? They're about to update the MacBook pro next month, according to rumours. There is a site that shows the product life cycle for each member of the mac family. The recommendation for the MacBook pro is to only buy now if really needed. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New (free) font for Fin2010 Rehearsal Marks
Dear Jari, Very much like the new site update, by the way. Congratulations on making this resource available to the general Finale public. Matthew Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! I've created a font (with serifs), specially created for the Rehearsal Marks expression type in Fin2010. The font is called JW Rehearsal Serifs Bold. 4 different closures are available. It's available for download from the Finale Productivity Tips site (http://www.finaletips.nu), as I'm now in the process to relaunch the site. You find the font in the Downloads section, in the Text Fonts area. Try it and let me know how it works. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae
Dear John, I'm not going to bite on this one! Especially as I am also an academic. Other to say that you will note I put around important, for reasons that may in fact relate in some way to what you have expounded. Matthew John Howell wrote: At 3:09 PM +1100 10/27/09, Matthew Hindson wrote: Any listers know of a list of 20C works that use the Dies Irae in some form or another? (Particularly important works?) Oh, my goodness, Matthew! You've certainly left yourself wide open on this one!!! Important, as in self-important, as in pretentious, as in self-declared art music? A great deal of the most important music of the 20th century (defining important, just for fun, as music that has been heard and enjoyed by the largest number of people and has influenced the lives of the largest number of people) has been written for movie scores, and more recently for TV drama scores, specials, or series. It is, in other words, functional music written for immediate use, written to be appealing to large numbers of people, and written with understanding of the huge emotional dimension that music can bring to any drama. I think that if you were to take an open and honest look at 20th century music, you would find that those composers whose music is written to satisfy their own egos, and who SAY that they don't care whether people like it or not, say that simply because their music is NOT music that people like--academic music written by academics for other academics. And also music that is influential, but only influential within that tightly-bound sub-culture of academics and the students who unfortunately have to write to please their professors. OK, I might be exaggerating just a teeny bit, but I DO think it's significant that while academic composers blithely declared the end of functional harmony, jazz, pop, and musical theater composers and songwriters ignored them as irrelevant and continue to write tonal music using functional harmony. Could there be a lesson there? John P.S. As to the Dies irae chant melody, it's been used over and over by composers in ALL styles who managed to stay awake in their music history classes and who know the strong association it has, for those in liturgical churches, with the Mass for the Dead. After all, it's there to be used freely by any composer with a decent undergraduate knowledge of music history. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
David, I have both of them, Finale 2010 and Sibelius 6.1. I in fact started using Sibelius 6.1 today and it feels a lot better than previous versions, somehow, if also a bit slower. The collision avoidance thing is great on some levels. If you have time to relearn everything and are feeling brave, then sure, why not give Sibelius a whirl. Certainly in Australia Sibelius is #1. But particularly if you are using Speedy Entry in Finale, and you don't have a lot of time, then why not stick with what you know. There will be some relearning required in Finale as well, e.g. Expressions. But the Selection Tool is really so much better and it's worth the upgrade I think for that at least. The Dolet plugin is really good in helping to convert scores between the 2 applications if needed. Cheers Matthew 2009/10/28 David McKay davidmcka...@gmail.com My wife and I are using Finale 2004b. One issue I have is that when I ask it to print 2 copies on my Samsung laser printer SCX 4521f, it prints 4 or 6 copies each time. Printer doesn't misbehave with other software. Don't know if anyone has an answer for that one. But reading the comments about Fin 10 makes me wary of upgrading. Is Sib 10 or whatever it is called also full of bugs? Or is it a better proposition than Finale now? David McKay www.aussiemusician.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Dies Irae
Any listers know of a list of 20C works that use the Dies Irae in some form or another? There is Rachmaninoff, of course, and Michael Daugherty's Dead Elvis. Also Crumb uses it now and then e.g. Black Angels, Makrokosmos II. But any others that come to mind? (Particularly important works?) Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] no photocopying sign
If you install the Sibelius demo it's in one of the fonts there. Matthew dc wrote: Does anyone know where I could find a (free) font or a simply a graphic file with the sign prohibiting photocopies that one sees on some scores? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] font question
The font conversion programme probably changed the internal font encoding. A few versions back Finale changed things so that only specific font encodings worked. This had the consequence that some fonts (e.g. the Opus families) no longer showed up in Finale. You will need to get TypeTool or something like that to encode it using Mac, or using trial and error to find one that works. Matthew Dwight Thomas wrote: I have a custom music font that I created back in the Mac Classic OS days with Fontographer. It only exists in Mac Postscript Type 1 format (with screen fonts and an outline font). It has always worked. I would like to convert it to either TrueType or OpenType so that it will work on Windows, etc. I've got a good font converter program (FontXChange) that seems to process it fine (and works OK with other fonts) but the resulting font isn't recognized by Finale on either platform. Any ideas? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] TAN: pieces or sig. excerpts based on one or two chords
Can anyone recommend some works or significant parts of works that are based on one or two chords only? So far I have: Monteverdi: Prelude to L'Orfeo (D major) Wagner: Prelude to Das Rheingold (Eb major) Ross Edwards: Maninya V (two chords) Stockhausen: Stimmung (1 chord) I'm sure there are many others I'm missing: any suggestions? Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] dis-/reappearing tempo markings
This was happening to me in 2009 if I recall. But only randomly, and only in one particular file. It is worrying. 2009/10/6 shirling neueweise shirl...@newmusicnotation.com ah fantastic, when i do get them to reappear they lose all the positioning adjustments i amde... is it just me...? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] smallest notebook for Finale?
OK, having used the Acer Netbook with Finale for the past couple of days: - Sound = no good. In a score with 7 staves, it can't keep up - it's like being back on the Mac Classic more than 10 years ago. This is with Garritan turned off, all sounds internally and no other applications running. - Some of the palettes take up a bit of room. - Still, it's amazing how well Finale runs, on a basic level on this little machine. - I bought an external kbd and external mouse where I am for not much money and it makes the process so much better. The lack of screen real estate is the worst thing. For smaller scores, it's good enough to work in scroll view with the % at 53%. However, doing page layouts aren't much fun. Need to make extensive use of the zoom shortcuts. Matthew 2009/9/21 dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Friends, In response to my statement Well, by the time a machine gets large enough to have a full keyboard, it is no longer called a notebook pc. dhbailey wrote, in part: Huh? The box of my HP Pavilion computer called it a notebook. ... snippage ... I thought maybe I had a bit of mental confusion, but I stopped at my favorite digital emporium, and I saw there that they tend to use the word netbook to refer to the smallest devices on display, and laptop for the largest ones, and notebooks for those in between. The machines on display with full size keyboards, and built in independent numeric keypads are all labeled laptops, and none of the machines displayed as notebooks have an independent numeric keypad. That's just semantics -- we just bought a $349 notebook (I don't care what the hell they label them) with a 15.3 screen which has a numeric keypad. It's from Compaq and I just checked the box, where it is clearly called a notebook. Maybe your favorite electronics emporium needs to rethink it's designations? ;-) -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fonts for text-related items in scores
Hi Paul, For technique-type of things (telling the performers what to do or how to play their instrument), I use Roman. For expressivo marking (dolce etc) and indeed sim., sempre etc. I use italic. Asyla is published by my publisher (Faber Music) and while they've never conveyed any hard-and-fast rules to me (in spite of my asking!), that seems to be the standard that they use. In terms of fonts, the general rule is that you should stick to the one family of fonts throughout the document. The general page-design rule I was taught years ago is that you can use one serif font and one sans-serif font per page. Cheers Matthew Paul Hayden wrote: I know that many of you are very particular about the fonts you use for for tempos and tempo modifications, instrument names, technical instructions (arco, pizz., a2, con sord., div., G.P., etc.), titles and subtitles, composer's name, copyright info, etc. I've worked out (not very methodically, I'll admit) a set of fonts, styles and sizes that seem to work okay. But I have two questions: 1. For technical instructions (see above), do you use italic? Bold? Roman? Some of both? 2. Is there a webpage somewhere that details a set of fonts (including sizes and styles) that work well for text-related items in a score? I refer to a lot of scores, of course, but I've seen many variations -- sometimes within a single score. Right now I'm looking at page 10 of Thomas Ades's Asyla and I see pizz. and sul tasto in roman, while legato and sim. sempre are in italic. Thanks. Paul Hayden Magnolia Music Press www.paulhayden.com Voice Pre-arranged fax: 225-769-9604 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Device not found + OS X F2009 = no recent files
I wonder if anyone else has experienced this error, and whether it occurs in Finale 2010? Basically if you don't have a device attached that Finale is expecting, it gives an error message, and neither opens the file that you double-clicked to open nor lists any recent items in the File menu. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: WHAT Sibelius can't do
Can Sibelius now have bar numbers centred, automatically underneath each bar of the lowest staff in the piece? Couldn't before. Matthew Kim Richmond wrote: My main issue that Sibelius cannot do is a small thing, but something I really want. That is, to be able to have a system start with (for instance) the double bar that appears at the end of the previous system. It will not do that and, according to the Sibelius people, I shouldn't want it to. However, that is a normal practice of notation where I work (Los Angeles). It's not even on Sibelius' schedule to implement. All the best, KIM R On Jun 25, 2009, at 10:00 AM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: Just out of curiosity, what can't Sibelius do which are essential for your scores and productivity? -- David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
David W. Fenton wrote: But the only method they go on to describe is Simple Entry. They don't mention the many advantages of Speedy. Are they pretending it doesn't exist? Are they downplaying it in order to fold it into Simple Entry? Are their marketing people (i.e., the people who write the promotional copy) just ignorant of the fact that Speedy exists and is very important to a crucial portion of their user base? Yes, I see what you mean. It's not mentioned at all on that page (MicNotator gets a guernsey, WTF). I spoke to Tom about this when we came out here. He was a 100% Simple Entry convert. It's like talking to someone with a new religious affiliation - he was very nice about it, but totally adherent to the new cause. I am sure Makemusic are actively not promoting it so that it can be removed entirely one day, or folded into another tool. The less users who complain, the easier for them. And then Speedy will appear in Sibelius (I've been pushing that barrow for 4 years now without success!) Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Sibelius 6
... is out Apparently the magnetic layout feature is a real plus for engraving, saving a lot of time. And hopefully the slur improvements mean that one will no longer receive RSI as a by-product. http://www.sibelius.com/products/sibelius/6/index.html Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Copying page layout (finale 2009)
Thanks Chuck for this tip, very much appreciated. I thought it was in there somewhere (one would think that it was in the Layout section, but no). Matthew Chuck Israels wrote: Mathew, TG Tools Modify/Transfer will do this (and also tranfer measure layout that you may not want). I am away at the moment and not where I can look at Finale, but I think there are settings in the plug in that allow the selection of the elements to transfer. Chuck Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Matthew Hindson (gmail) mhindson2...@gmail.com wrote: A quick question, is there an easy way to copy a staff layout from one page to another? I don't mean an optimization per se (which can be done using TG Tools Staff List Manager), but rather, the position of systems on a page. Thanks Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Copying page layout (finale 2009)
A quick question, is there an easy way to copy a staff layout from one page to another? I don't mean an optimization per se (which can be done using TG Tools Staff List Manager), but rather, the position of systems on a page. Thanks Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Are Keystrokes available for Scroll View - page turns
Mac or Windows? Apple-Page Up/Down goes ahead/back by one page on my OS X Finale 2009. Matthew Jim Fischer wrote: Is there a keystroke command to scroll right instead of mousing down to the scoll bar? thx, Jim p.s. My Jim Fischer Friends concert is April 18th at the Royal Durst Theater in Vancouver. A Benefit for the Fort Vancouver Seafarer's Center. Hope you can make it! ♫ ♪ ♫ :: j i m f i s c h e r :: p r o d u c e r ♫ ♪ ♫ :: m u s i c b o x p r o d u c t i o n s :: v a n c o u v e r, w a, u s a :: www.jimfischer.net -- :: mailto:j...@pacifier.com http://www.jimfischer.net *((( ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Metatools stopped working (OS X)
Thanks David, that's a good idea, but no go. I have trashed the Finale prefs as well but to no avail. DAMMIT I quite like much of F2009 but these gotchas seem to randomly appear making Finale-life much worse. Matthew David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Mar 2009 at 15:22, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: Has anyone encountered a situation previously in which the metatools stop working? i.e. According to the various palettes they are still programmed, and using the double-tap to change existing articulations still works, but it's not possible to enter expressions, articulations, smart shapes etc. using metatools in the first place. (And how tedious it is without them!) This is a long shot, but have you checked to make sure you don't have a stuck key on your keyboard, specifically, one of the shift keys? I usually just pound on all the shift keys to try to unstick them if I suspect this kind of thing (it's kind of satisfying ;). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Metatools stopped working (OS X)
Has anyone encountered a situation previously in which the metatools stop working? i.e. According to the various palettes they are still programmed, and using the double-tap to change existing articulations still works, but it's not possible to enter expressions, articulations, smart shapes etc. using metatools in the first place. (And how tedious it is without them!) This is under Finale 2009, OS X Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Avoiding ridiculous slurs
Dear all, I know I have asked this in the past but am finding it problematic to avoid ridiculously large slurs, particularly in the middle. I have set the max lift to 1 but it doesn't seem to make any difference. Anyone have any tips? (F2009) Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Linked Parts
To be fair on the whole linked parts discussion, I recently got someone to do the parts to a piece and she did it the old way, i.e. extracting all the parts to separate files. It was extremely time-consuming putting the same fixes into each of the files separately. Quite a reminder of what we had to do before. So I do think that on balance, frustrating limitations aside, the linked parts thing is still a positive thing and a good improvement in general. I wonder what the next version of Sibelius will bring in this area. The last version of Sibelius had a lot of improvements in playback etc. Perhaps the next version will have stuff for engravers and typesetters. The same for Finale of course. Matthew 2009/2/24 dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com Chuck Israels wrote: I agree, the support has deteriorated to a frustrating level. I remember the days when you could talk with terrific people who knew the software and would work tirelessly to resolve issues. I felt I had friends among the support staff. This is no longer the case. More answers seem to come from this list than from MM. Maybe they've all switched to using Sibelius? ;-) (that could explain why all the major innovations in recent years since Staff Styles appeared in Sibelius first.) In reality, though, it's more likely that they have simply hired the people who worked the cheapest, experience not needed. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Linked Parts
Re. the bar numbers in parts, in the score I have bold condensed centred numbers on the bottom staff of the score, for every bar (conductors LOVE this). This is in addition to the 'normal' ones on the left hand side of the staff. But obviously not in the parts, so I select the Measure tool, drag enclose all the bold condensed centred numbers and then drag them way past the bottom of the page in the part. They are still there but off the page. It doesn't take that long, though by the time you're at Vln 1 in an long orchestral piece it is an F-ing drag. Matthew 2009/2/23 shirling neueweise shirl...@newmusicnotation.com you know, as soon i see the subject line linked parts i get shivers and stomach cramps. before you do anything in your score: 1. complain about insufficient and incomplete implemention of the linked parts feature to the powers-that-be (check the list archives if you need clarifications for your ammo) and about the fact that they have virtually never -- as is standard with new features -- corrected the fundamental errors in the first implementation; 2. read the manual pp. 37-5 and 37-7 i believe (F07 manual), i used to have them tacked to my wall... but packed them away with the razor blades several months ago; 3. make very strong coffee, no milk, no sugar, but possibly some slivovice could be helpful; 4. read the manual again; 5. read the manual again; 6. attempt another run at it. Yup it's a pain. Here's what I do (courtesy of jef chipewa!) Use two different measure number regions, region 1 for the parts and region 2 for the score. When you print the parts, set the range of region 1 to be 1 to 999 and the range of region 2 to be 999 to 999. Then when you print the score, switch the ranges manually. kee-riced, did i really say that!?! my last version was something similar (as i recall). define a region show every 5mm (or 10, as you wish) in boxes that looks good in score for all measures (1-999); define a region (or several as needed, i have 1-99 and 100-xxx at different vertical heights) that looks good on parts. i'm just coming out of massive work in another area and so this is really not fresh, but essentially you have to selectively delete / force show in parts / score (page by page in score if i recall...). sounds complicated, but once mastered, this approach works VERY VERY well. i don't think it matter how many regions there are, since you have to select / delete / force show / barf on individual pages. happy happy. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Dynamics in piano staves (playback)
In the 'old' days, i.e. pre-Finale 2009, when applying a dynamic to one staff in a piano part, it would play back the dynamic for both of the staves (presuming of course that they are on the same instrument). In 2009 it seems to be more independent, which is annoying when you in fact want the dynamic applying to both staves. Does anyone know of a trick to get it back to the way it was? Thanks Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dynamics in piano staves (playback)
Yeah, already checked this, it's correct. The problem mostly is where it comes to hairpins, unfortunately. Matthew 2009/2/22 David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com On 22 Feb 2009 at 12:30, Matthew Hindson wrote: In the 'old' days, i.e. pre-Finale 2009, when applying a dynamic to one staff in a piano part, it would play back the dynamic for both of the staves (presuming of course that they are on the same instrument). In 2009 it seems to be more independent, which is annoying when you in fact want the dynamic applying to both staves. Does anyone know of a trick to get it back to the way it was? Assign the same MIDI channel to both staves? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Editing
Dean, my 2c, esp. since you are on Mac: Amadeus Pro is excellent. It costs some money, but unlike Audacity (in my experience) it's extremely stable and does a great job. I recommend it. Matthew 2009/2/14 David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com On 13 Feb 2009 at 16:02, Aaron Sherber wrote: if you have a JPG as a source, you open it and save it as a TIF or something else non-lossy so it won't get any worse while you work on it. If you edit the JPG and save back as a JPG, it gets worse each time, because you're re-applying the lossy compression to something that was lossy to begin with. Am I incorrect? I'm not sure what you're using for graphics editing, but if it applies the chosen compression ration with each save, it's very badly designed. The usual method is to have, say, a 15% compression ratio. When you open a file, your graphics editing progam knows what the compression ratio that it was saved at is, and if it was saved at 10%, it will compress to 15%. But if it's already 15%, it won't compress it any more than it already was. I do lots of graphics editing and while I keep TIFs as my source files, I do lots of editing in JPGs once the graphic has reaced a certain point in the editing process. And that includes multiple edits and multiple saves, and the quality does not decrease with each save. As you suggest, MP3s are not directly editable by any application I know of -- instead, you edit a copy of the waveform described in the MP3 file. Thus, there's no loss of quality. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Problem with F2k9 starting up (OS X)
I was wondering whether anyone else had encountered a problem wherein Finale 2009 won't start up at all. It gets to the Initializing MIDI stage and then crashes. The Crash Log says Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV) Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0xbf70 I've trashed every Finale preference and plist file I can find, rebuilt my MIDI system from scratch, re-installed Finale 2009, restarted innumerable times, created a new user and tried to open it from there but without success. It's extremely frustrating in every respect. Finale 2007 starts up fine (as well as it does in Leopard). Short of starting from scratch and reinstalling the entire system and the entire drive, any suggestions? Thanks for any tips, Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Problem with F2k9 starting up (OS X)
Thanks for this bad news Dick and others. I am not using MOTU hardware or software (learnt that lesson years ago!) but am using an eMagic MT4 interface as well as a direct connection to an edirol SD-20. I will try the Memtest as well. Sorry to hear that reformatting didn't work either since that was my next step :( The strange thing is that it just stopped working. I will try going back to OS X Tiger next port of call and see if that fixes the problem. DAMMIT. Matthew 2009/2/2 Dick Hauser rdhau...@comcast.net This is what happened to me with 2008. Never got it to work. Mem test didn't find anything, After exhausting everyones good advice, to no avail, I tried completely reformating the disk and reinstalling all programs from scratch. Still didn't work. I could run it with out the MOTU software that I use for DAW and audio I/O, but as soon as I installed it, I'd have the crash on start at the same spot you did. Are you using MOTU software or hardware? What computer and system are you using. Dick H On Feb 1, 2009, at 12:17 AM, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: I was wondering whether anyone else had encountered a problem wherein Finale 2009 won't start up at all. It gets to the Initializing MIDI stage and then crashes. The Crash Log says Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV) Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0xbf70 I've trashed every Finale preference and plist file I can find, rebuilt my MIDI system from scratch, re-installed Finale 2009, restarted innumerable times, created a new user and tried to open it from there but without success. It's extremely frustrating in every respect. Finale 2007 starts up fine (as well as it does in Leopard). Short of starting from scratch and reinstalling the entire system and the entire drive, any suggestions? Thanks for any tips, Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Incorporating FINALE into music training
In support of accreditation and other requirements, we're planning on adding technology modules to our existing courses in theory and musicianship (sight-singing/eartraining). There is no way to add any separate course to the curriculum. Over the past 5 years I have used Finale Notepad in my music theory teaching. It's great because (1) students can hear what they are writing, especially if they don't play the piano, and (2) it gives them a basic introduction to music notation. Point (1) is wonderful and so liberating for the students. It brings music theory to life. The new paid-application status of Finale Notepad, while not especially onerous, makes it more of a hassle. So I am now encouraging my students to use MuseScore which is free and which has a whole lot more facility than Notepad. MuseScore is currently on Windows and Linux, but some people are making a Mac version. http://musescore.org It's still slightly clunky in some areas (esp. playback) but it has fabulous potential. Increasing the usage of your computer lab is an interesting one. I am grappling with the same issue. Basically students now all have laptops or desktops, and they much prefer to do their work at home rather than a lab. I wonder how much an investment in a computer lab is going to be worth in the future. Matthew P.S. I'm with you all the way re. Speedy Entry. Makemusic could add lots of the great facilities of Simple to Speedy if they wanted to (e.g. ability to enter ties and expression/articulation metatools) and it would be a world-beater. IMHO. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Incorporating FINALE into music training
Erk. I meant slurs of course. Thanks Matthew Chuck Israels wrote: Matthew, The ability to enter ties is already in Speedy (equal sign). Chuck On Jan 30, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: In support of accreditation and other requirements, we're planning on adding technology modules to our existing courses in theory and musicianship (sight-singing/eartraining). There is no way to add any separate course to the curriculum. Over the past 5 years I have used Finale Notepad in my music theory teaching. It's great because (1) students can hear what they are writing, especially if they don't play the piano, and (2) it gives them a basic introduction to music notation. Point (1) is wonderful and so liberating for the students. It brings music theory to life. The new paid-application status of Finale Notepad, while not especially onerous, makes it more of a hassle. So I am now encouraging my students to use MuseScore which is free and which has a whole lot more facility than Notepad. MuseScore is currently on Windows and Linux, but some people are making a Mac version. http://musescore.org It's still slightly clunky in some areas (esp. playback) but it has fabulous potential. Increasing the usage of your computer lab is an interesting one. I am grappling with the same issue. Basically students now all have laptops or desktops, and they much prefer to do their work at home rather than a lab. I wonder how much an investment in a computer lab is going to be worth in the future. Matthew P.S. I'm with you all the way re. Speedy Entry. Makemusic could add lots of the great facilities of Simple to Speedy if they wanted to (e.g. ability to enter ties and expression/articulation metatools) and it would be a world-beater. IMHO. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback of harmonics on Garritan
Thanks for this suggestion David. I can get the 'normal', non-Garritan playback via TGTools which works rather well. The problem comes for harmonics which are above the Garritan range. Maybe I can assign a soundfont to a second layer or something and do what you've suggested (i.e. have hidden Layer 2 playing back the harmonics using another synth). Thanks again Matthew dhbailey wrote: Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: Anyone have any tips for how to play back high string artificial harmonics on the Garritan sounds? Not necess. after a harmonic sound, more of getting something sounding at all. You might have to make a second layer which will playback but not print and have the real part not playback. Then in the part that's for playback only you can make the notes which will sound be actually what you want (albeit not actual harmonics). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Easy way to convert files to Garritan etc.?
I haven't really paid any attention to the whole Garritan thing but have just installed it along with Finale 2009. Is there any easy way to convert a file that used to play back with MIDI to the Garritan Aria player (or whatever)? We're talking standard orchestra here. I experimented with doing it manually but my computer continually freezes. And also, when setting up the instruments in the Aria player, can you have more than one instance of the player? e.g. for Channels 1-16 and Channels 17-32? Thanks for any advice, Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Playback of harmonics on Garritan
Anyone have any tips for how to play back high string artificial harmonics on the Garritan sounds? Not necess. after a harmonic sound, more of getting something sounding at all. Thanks Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: chord symbol texts?
Dear Andrew, I teach the same type of clientele - though mine also include performers and budding composers so I do include part-writing and figured bass in the 2nd semester, just to show them that there is more than one way to skin a cat. And the part-writing is good to show them how to make chord progressions sound good. I found Music Theory for Dummies to be quite good in terms of the syllabus you have to teach, if a little wordy. But you are correct in one thing: there is no perfect textbook. (Hal Owen's one is good for a more advanced clientele). I too use Auralia. How wonderful that you can meet with the students 5 days a week. Our Uni system over here only funds a max of 3 hours per week per subject. It's very difficult to get any sort of progress with that sort of limitation. All the best Matthew Andrew Levin wrote: Hello, In all of this discussion about chord symbols I realize that I have the perfect audience for my question. I'm about to start teaching theory again at our school and I'm still looking for the perfect textbook (yeah, I know: no such thing exists). Our program is unusual in that we're not producing performers or teachers, but people who'll work in the performing arts field behind the scenes, in music business, technical theatre, box office, sound, lighting, etc. (If you are interested, see http://www.clemson.edu/Perf-Arts/ for more information). Our theory program consists of a Fundamentals class, then one year of theory (the former, or passing a placement exam, is required for entry into the latter). This is a combination written and aural skills class and meets five days a week. But it makes no sense for our students to have the classical training of part-writing and figured bass, as much as I love that and use those skills. We need to include chord symbols, their usage, perhaps some improvisation and elementary song-writing/composition, in addition to scales, common practice harmony, sight-singing and dictation. Yeah, I know -- there's too much to cover in so short a time. But in preparation for this class I'd love to know if any of you have experience with any textbooks or (university) theory websites that you've found useful and successful. I do know that we bought Auralia recently and are using it, so if any of you are familiar with that and want to address it I'm all ears. I'm also happy to hear all of this privately if some of you consider this inappropriate for the list. Thanks in advance for your comments. Andrew Levin (who is on the digest) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] strange error message
I got this yesterday for the first time in fact. And it was found when copying within a piece, not even between different documents. Matthew Randolph Peters wrote: Has anyone come across this confusing error message? * The font' is not available in this piece. Select another font or... Add to Finale's font list? [Cancel] [Add] [Select] buttons I keep getting this message on a file when I try and copy a measure into another one. The message shows up twice in a row and doesn't go away even when I do select a font. What gives? -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Apple Works (was Finale 4-Day Super Sale)
It's worth keeping your AW intact in my experience. Pages won't necessarily open them I've found. Matthew Florence + Michael wrote: The apps in the iWork suite will open Apple Works documents as long as they are word processing (use Pages), spreadsheet (use Numbers) or presentation (use Keynote). I'm not sure what will open draw or paint documents directly: if you use AppleWorks first to incorporate a drawing into a word processing document, you can open it with pages. Michael. On 14 Jan 2009, at 07:55, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On a tangential subject: Does anyone know what I can do with my AppleWorks documents? Does any more modern piece of software read them? I still use AW. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Apple Works (was Finale 4-Day Super Sale)
Yes it works on mine (you have to have the latest version) Will AW run on an Intel Mac? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Enclosures in 2009
I'm starting to approach considering serious work in F2009 (OS X). However I've noticed that in some files imported from F2007, the enclosures for expressions, the only enclosures that seem to work are ellipse and rectangle. Can anyone else confirm this? Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Which TGTools work/don't work in F2009? (OS X)
I haven't updated to F2009 but may have to soon because of a particular project. I have read that some of the TGTools don't work, in particular the Align plugin (a huge shame!). Which of the other ones don't work? Does the Staff List Manager work? Thanks Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] - Hindson and other fonts
Dear Marcello, Hmm, I did a search and cannot find the link to which you refer on my website. There may have been 4 years ago or something. Matthew Hindson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On this site http://www.hindson.com.au/ there is a link to ftp://ftp.shsu.edu/pub/finale/ to download some alternate fonts for Finale which requires a login. Someone knows where to get that login or a page where to register in order to access that ftp site? Thank you Marcello ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Line Thickness Question
Use a custom line for this. It will do exactly what you're after. (OT: interesting that you seem to use slurs instead of ties between the long notes) Matthew Blake Richardson wrote: I have a question regarding the Line Tool. In one section of the score I'm working on, I've used lines to indicate ascending/descending slides between tone clusters. I increased the thickness of the line to reflect the composer's handwritten notation which is more of a thick black bar than a line. However, when I do that, Finale automatically increases the thickness of the dotted lines on the 8vas everywhere else in the score. When I edit those back down to the proper (default) thickness, Finale changes the slides back to standard as well. Is there a way to increase the thickness of the lines on the slides without affecting the 8vas as well? I've taken screen shots of the relevant parts of the score and posted them here for clarification: http://gallery.me.com/btr1701#100016 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Just found the horizontal scroll in 2009
If you have a mighty-mouse, you can scroll up/down + left/right. Very handy indeed. You miss it once to go to a different computer! Also of course you can use Apple-PageUp/PageDown too to go back and forth full pages in scroll view or page view - that is very quick and saves much clicking. Matthew Christopher Smith wrote: I never knew this, but thought those who are slow and don't read manuals properly like me might like to know this. Finale has a horizontal scroll, at least FinMac 2009a does. Holding down the shift key and rolling the scroll wheel advances you horizontally in the score. In scroll view, approximately 3 measures at a time, and less than that in page view. This is great for those moments when you don't need a full page ahead or back. Man, what you don't catch up on when you aren't paying attention to updates... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] (repost) Percussion map speed in F2009 OS X?
Sorry for the repost - I too had the gmail problem and haven't gotten anything for a while. To those who have taken the plunge, have they improved the speed of the percussion mapping setup in Finale 2009, as compared to Finale 2007? It's so glacially slow in 2007 and driving me crazy Thanks Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale Notepad/Reader 2009
As I am on the digest, apologies if someone's already posted about this. There is apparently a letter being sent out to registered Finale and Notepad users outlining (basically) that Finale Notepad 2009 is going to cost $9.95, and there will be a free Finale Reader 2009 that will open, print and playback Finale and MusicXML files. http://downloads2.makemusic.com/pdf/notepad/NP2009_Announcement.pdf This is a bit of a shame. Sure, US$9.95 isn't too much even if you're a student (presumably with a credit card), but for students, downloading a cracked version of Sibelius is free. In an institution, where (for example) we put a copy of Finale Notepad onto every staff computer and lab computer (and get the staff member to register it online), this is going to be a financial imposition. Let's hope the new version of Notepad is worth the money and hassle. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Speedy entry
OK, not aiming to revisit old wounds - but I thought I would share one aspect of my recent experience of teaching a class of mainly-Finale-newbies to the application. For the note-entry method, I showed them how to use Speedy, and what the keystrokes meant and did. In 5 minutes they were entering a Haydn string quartet movement, and at a surprisingly quick rate. This was without a MIDI keyboard. I hope that MakeMusic still realises that Speedy is a really excellent tool for note entry that is (in my opinion) considerably more straightforward than using Simple without a MIDI keyboard. Speedy seems a better balance of simplicity and power. Because there are fewer options as compared to Simple, there are fewer keystrokes to come to grips with as a beginner - but the options that are there are easy to use and powerful enough to enter all pitches and rhythms you want. Plus Speedy is great because it provides the user with the option to select pitch then enter rhythm for note entry. Mind you, it would be good to able to change clef from within Speedy I suppose. Maybe press ? and a list of clefs pops up. This would be relevant to the tool because it relates to pitch. Anyway, in the end I just hope that Finale doesn't consider removing or crippling Speedy. It really is an excellent and easy-to-use tool. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale 2009 questions/issues
I downloaded the demo and checked it out. But it raised a few questions/issues which maybe arose during Finale 2008, I'm not sure. - Does everyone else have the Garamond font for the items in the Setup Wizard? (Yuk! Great printing font, horrible screen font). And at slightly different widths too. - I love that the custom smart line box is now resizeable. Bravo. Except that when you resize it, it just makes the whitespace around the objects larger or smaller. It's a shame that it doesn't put more or less objects on the screen without the + - magnifier. - It would be great if there was a context menu for the items in these new resizeable dialog boxes. For example, right-click on an expression and you can Edit, Duplicate, Reassign to Category etc. - I noticed that in the text inserts, where I had previously inserted the filename it now just says [Filename]. Is it like that in the full version? - Is the only way to access Automatic Update Layout/Music Spacing on/off through the Programme Options now? :( - This is my first experience with what used to be the Mass Edit tool. It was possible to access what used to be called the ENIGMA Utilities via the context menu (e.g Check Accidentals, Check Ties etc.). But these are all gone now? Not accessible via any Context Menu? - Is TGTools fully compatible with Finale 2009? - What a bummer that it's not possible to rename the four staff lists. For all the talk about how this new regime is supposed to make life better for publishers, those of us who actually like to document what we do will be disadvantaged by this lack of naming. There will be no easy way to remember what Staff List 2 contains in a month or year's time. - I LOVE that it's possible to resize the Expressions Palette now. - What a shame that we can't just Assign to part via an item in the Expressions context menu (or can we). - The default font for a new category in Category Designer seems to default to Times New Roman, in spite of whatever font are used throughout the document. It would make sense to be able to set this in the Document Options along with the rest of the text fonts. Some of us don't use Times New Roman. I suppose I can change it once in a Category then duplicate the category as a workaround. My 2c Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Finale in the University
Has anyone else out there taught or developed a large-scale entry-level Finale class? I'd love to share (well, steal, if truth be told) ideas if you have. Most of the students will be taking the course online -- I've been making screen casts for them -- and only one lab full (20) will be in the classroom. That was the only way we could make it work with 80-90 students taking it. This fall will be our first time offering the class and I anticipate more than a few kinks will need to get worked out. I teach something like this at Sydney Uni, but which deals with general score presentation as well (e.g. binding, printing, paper weights, basic design, general music presentation). Not online though, and as I don't deal with the composition majors it's probably at a different level to yours. To be honest, one of the best things you can do for them is set Stephen Powell's Music Engraving Today as a reference textbook. That way they learn to best present their scores no matter which application they use. This semester we divide our class into two: I focus upon Finale basics for 6 weeks, and someone else teaches Sibelius basics for 6 weeks. Interestingly the majority of students in my class of non-music-specialists come from a Finale or Finale Notepad background. This is in stark contrast to my first year composition class where 15/17 use Sibelius. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
