Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
This is not encouraging news! I installed the SP2 upgrade yesterday. I have not yet ordered the Finale upgrade. Based on what I have read here I am VERY hesitant to invest in a questionable product. I have always upgraded Finale as soon as new versions were available. Now I don't know what to do. Has anyone had a successful installation of Finale 2005 after installing SP2? Inquiring PC minds want to know! Guy Hayden, Minister of Music St. Stephen's Episcopal Church 372 Hiden Boulevard Newport News, Virginia 23606 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
I do not have SP2, but from what I've heard it is SP2 which is the questionable product, not Finale2005. Without SP2, but with WinXPPro the installation went flawlessly. From what I've read, SP2 doesn't really offer much if you keep your antivirus program up to date and use a firewall, so I'm holding off, based on Hal's experience, plus what I've read on several other lists. But Finale2005 doesn't seem the least bit questionable to me. The increased functionality of the repeat tool is a major plus! It can now show you the road-map through your repeats, DS, DC, whatever, so you can make sure you got the measure assignments correct! I do hope somebody with positive SP2/Finale experience will report in. David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not encouraging news! I installed the SP2 upgrade yesterday. I have not yet ordered the Finale upgrade. Based on what I have read here I am VERY hesitant to invest in a questionable product. I have always upgraded Finale as soon as new versions were available. Now I don't know what to do. Has anyone had a successful installation of Finale 2005 after installing SP2? Inquiring PC minds want to know! Guy Hayden, Minister of Music St. Stephen's Episcopal Church 372 Hiden Boulevard Newport News, Virginia 23606 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
A Questionable product? Perhaps you shouldn't have installed a questionable Service Pack from Microsoft... I'd imagine that the first service update to Finale will address Service Pack (or crap) 2 problems. You should always make sure software works with Microsoft Service packs BEFORE installing them. This last service pack broke a lot of programs, including (it seems) Finale 2004/2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not encouraging news! I installed the SP2 upgrade yesterday. I have not yet ordered the Finale upgrade. Based on what I have read here I am VERY hesitant to invest in a questionable product. I have always upgraded Finale as soon as new versions were available. Now I don't know what to do. Has anyone had a successful installation of Finale 2005 after installing SP2? Inquiring PC minds want to know! ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
For what it's worth (probably nothing) I recently installed SP2 and have noticed absolutely no problems whatsoever with 2004B or any other software -- I'm not defending Microsoft; in fact I'd really rather find the opportunity to eviscerate them, but unfortunately, this isn't it, at least for me Best, Les Les MarsdenFounding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony OrchestraMusic and Mariposa? Ah, Paradise!!! http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.htmlhttp://www.sierratel.com/mcf/nprc/mso.htm - Original Message - From: Eric Dannewitz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever A Questionable product? Perhaps you shouldn't have installed a "questionable" Service Pack from Microsoft...I'd imagine that the first service update to Finale will address Service Pack (or crap) 2 problems. You should always make sure software works with Microsoft Service packs BEFORE installing them. This last service pack broke a lot of programs, including (it seems) Finale 2004/2005[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not encouraging news! I installed the SP2 upgrade yesterday. I have not yet ordered the Finale upgrade. Based on what I have read here I am VERY hesitant to invest in a questionable product. I have always upgraded Finale as soon as new versions were available. Now I don't know what to do. Has anyone had a successful installation of Finale 2005 after installing SP2? Inquiring PC minds want to know!___Finale mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
On 31 Aug 2004 at 10:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed the SP2 upgrade yesterday. I have not yet ordered the Finale upgrade. Based on what I have read here I am VERY hesitant to invest in a questionable product. The questionable product in this case is from Microsoft. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
Based on what I have read here I am VERY hesitant to invest in a questionable product. The questionable product in this case is from Microsoft. David W. Fenton David, with all of your contact with Windows machines what has been your experience so far with SP2? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 31 Aug 2004 at 16:21, Richard Yates wrote: Based on what I have read here I am VERY hesitant to invest in a questionable product. The questionable product in this case is from Microsoft. David W. Fenton David, with all of your contact with Windows machines what has been your experience so far with SP2? Well, first off, I have kept most of my clients from using WinXP, except when they are forced to do so. This is because many clients of mine have had terrible problems with WinXP (one of them downgraded their PC from WinXP to Win2K after a year of dreadful problems). So, my experience with WinXP is not as extensive as one would expect with a version of Windows that has been out this long. None of my clients use Windows Update by default, because I think it's a disastrous choice to turn over control of your PC to MS, so none of my WinXP clients has actually updated to SP2. Furthermore, all of my clients who have Internet access are already firewalled and protected from the kinds of security issues that SP2 mostly addresses. And, last of all, I don't recommend to anyone that they apply OS service packs until well after they have been widely tested by lots of other people. None of my clients has yet asked me about SP2, but if they were to do so, I'd tell them not to worry about it at all -- if it becomes a benefit to them to install it, I'll tell them at that point. As of this point, I don't see why anyone should be applying SP2. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:37:00 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: As of this point, I don't see why anyone should be applying SP2. Except the few unknowing guinea pigs we want to notify us of any problems, eh? ;) -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
On 31 Aug 2004 at 16:41, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:37:00 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: As of this point, I don't see why anyone should be applying SP2. Except the few unknowing guinea pigs we want to notify us of any problems, eh? ;) There are enough corporate shops who should be testing and working with MS to report the problems that I don't think there's any reason for small businesses or individuals (my client base) to worry about it for another 6 months or so. If it offered something they didn't already have, it might be more urgent, but all of my clients are all properly firewalled and running browsers that have offered popup blocking for 3 years. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
I just put the SERVICE PACK 2 on my XP yesterday and tried to load 2005. Lots of problems, plus nothing (even after speaking to tech support) would load this part of the program. I have been following the Microsoft newsgroups about SP2 and, although it is a biased sample because people post there only when they have problems, still there seem to be a very large number of headaches in the SP2 upgrade. The best advice that I can glean from it is that if you have been diligent about your security updates and have a firewall and antivirus software up to date, there is nothing to be gained from SP2. Many people seem to be waiting until the bugs are out of SP2. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
I just put the SERVICE PACK 2 on my XP yesterday and tried to load 2005. Lots of problems, plus nothing (even after speaking to tech support) would load this part of the program. The SMARTMUSIC synth choice gives no sound at all. Also, the repeats plug-in is gone and bizarre events occur when 2004 scores created with it are brought up. Not too complicated scores (on a 1-Gig RAM setup) elicit RAM deficiency warnings on playback. I never really had any problems with 2004. This one seems to be a backyard delight;-) -- Henry Howey, D.M.A. Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/~music/faculty/howey.html Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 27 Aug 2004 at 13:24, Henry Howey wrote: I just put the SERVICE PACK 2 on my XP yesterday and tried to load 2005. Lots of problems, plus nothing (even after speaking to tech support) would load this part of the program. May I ask why you installed SP2? The SMARTMUSIC synth choice gives no sound at all. Also, the repeats plug-in is gone and bizarre events occur when 2004 scores created with it are brought up. Not too complicated scores (on a 1-Gig RAM setup) elicit RAM deficiency warnings on playback. I never really had any problems with 2004. This one seems to be a backyard delight;-) Have you tried re-installing Finale? Or uninstalling and re-installing? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
So is this a Finale problem or a Windows XP Service Pack 2 problem? Did you try 2004 with it? I've heard Service Pack 2 breaks a lot of software, so, I'll pass on it now. I don't think you should be pointing fingers at MakeMusic. Direct it at Microsoft. Henry Howey wrote: I just put the SERVICE PACK 2 on my XP yesterday and tried to load 2005. Lots of problems, plus nothing (even after speaking to tech support) would load this part of the program. The SMARTMUSIC synth choice gives no sound at all. Also, the repeats plug-in is gone and bizarre events occur when 2004 scores created with it are brought up. Not too complicated scores (on a 1-Gig RAM setup) elicit RAM deficiency warnings on playback. I never really had any problems with 2004. This one seems to be a backyard delight;-) ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
At 02:24 PM 08/27/2004, Henry Howey wrote: I just put the SERVICE PACK 2 on my XP yesterday and tried to load 2005. Lots of problems, plus nothing (even after speaking to tech support) would load this part of the program. This one is not (necessarily) Coda's fault. From what I've read, SP2 was widely expected to break many existing apps because of all of the differences from SP1. Most recommendations seem to be to hold off on SP2 until the dust settles. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Henry... XP SP2 is known to be very unfriendly to MIDI and audio software. Hopefully you created a restore point and can roll yourself back to pre-SP2. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Henry Howey Sent: Fri 27-Aug-04 13:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever I just put the SERVICE PACK 2 on my XP yesterday and tried to load 2005. Lots of problems, plus nothing (even after speaking to tech support) would load this part of the program. The SMARTMUSIC synth choice gives no sound at all. Also, the repeats plug-in is gone and bizarre events occur when 2004 scores created with it are brought up. Not too complicated scores (on a 1-Gig RAM setup) elicit RAM deficiency warnings on playback. I never really had any problems with 2004. This one seems to be a backyard delight;-) -- Henry Howey, D.M.A. Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/~music/faculty/howey.html Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
Henry Howey wrote: I just put the SERVICE PACK 2 on my XP yesterday and tried to load 2005. Lots of problems, plus nothing (even after speaking to tech support) would load this part of the program. The SMARTMUSIC synth choice gives no sound at all. Also, the repeats plug-in is gone and bizarre events occur when 2004 scores created with it are brought up. Not too complicated scores (on a 1-Gig RAM setup) elicit RAM deficiency warnings on playback. I never really had any problems with 2004. This one seems to be a backyard delight;-) I just checked and the Repeats plugins aren't part of my installation either. I simply copied the Repts32.fxt plugin from Finale2004 to Finale2005 and the repeat plug-ins work just fine. Wonder how they overlooked them in the installation package? I haven't had any problems with playback and RAM warnings. I am definitely holding off on SP2, based on your experience and some warnings I received on another list of computers not booting after installing it. The SmartMusic synth works fine on my installation. Sorry to hear about your troubles! I would definitely suggest either trying to turn off all the security enhancements in SP2 and seeing if that helps things for you. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever
And it has added some wonderful functionality that will make life with Finale much easier, with regards to repeats. But I just used the old repeats plugins and they still are quick and easy also, so I may keep them in my plugins folder. But the revamping of the Repeat Tool deserves a lot of praise, in my opinion. David Fisher, Allen wrote: Yep. The functionality (and then some) of the repeats PI's has been incorporated directly into the repeat tool. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Sherber Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] 2005 buggiest setup ever At 03:48 PM 08/27/2004, dhbailey wrote: I just checked and the Repeats plugins aren't part of my installation either. I simply copied the Repts32.fxt plugin from Finale2004 to Finale2005 and the repeat plug-ins work just fine.Wonder how they overlooked them in the installation package? I think they've been obsoleted -- when you click on the Repeat tool, there's now a whole Repeats menu. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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dhbailey write: You can select the Repeat tool and then highlight the measures you want in the repeats, go to the Repeat menu and choose Simple Repeat or First and Second Ending Repeats. With the First and Second Ending, it will turn whichever measure or measures you have selected into the first ending and will create an open-ended second ending on the measure following the selected ones. I assume you selected the region with the mouse? If so, it might be faster to create the repeats using the contextual menu for the repeat region (using right-click) instead of pulling down the Repeat menu. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I just put the SERVICE PACK 2 on my XP yesterday and tried to load 2005. Lots of problems, plus nothing (even after speaking to tech support) would load this part of the program. I read on MS newsgroups that there are many problems with SP2, but that there is a rollback feature in it. Richard Yates (Who is currently waiting for the labor pains to subside from both Fin2005 and SP2 before making any moves) ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
