Re: [Finale] expressions

[Dalvin Boone]

In Finale 26 ( Windows 7), Under "Expressions," using the "create tempo
mark" box,  I am unable to create half-note = dotted whole note with the
note heads and equal sign and dot aligned (vertically) properly.

Moreover, I notice that the note = note examples included in the expression
dialogue box don't look right, either.  Can someone tell me what I am
missing?

Dalvin Boone

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Subject: Re: [Finale] expressions

Select the period character. Change its font to the music font.

I personally like to use text periods rather than music symbol, because the
dot can be somewhat faint.

Ryan

> On Dec 12, 2018, at 5:17 PM, Dalvin Boone 
wrote:
> 
> Finale 26, Windows 7.
> 
> 
> 
> I have a score with a change from 4/2 to 3/2, and I want to enter 
> half-note = dotted whole note.  I try to create  the marking in the 
> expressions dialogue box, but the list of notes to enter does not 
> include any note value beyond the whole note.  If I enter the whole 
> note and type "period" for the dot, I get a period (instead of a dot).  
> How can I get a dotted whole note in the expression dialogue box?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] expressions

[Ryan Beard]

Select the period character. Change its font to the music font.

I personally like to use text periods rather than music symbol, because the dot 
can be somewhat faint.

Ryan

> On Dec 12, 2018, at 5:17 PM, Dalvin Boone  wrote:
> 
> Finale 26, Windows 7.
> 
> 
> 
> I have a score with a change from 4/2 to 3/2, and I want to enter half-note
> = dotted whole note.  I try to create  the marking in the expressions
> dialogue box, but the list of notes to enter does not include any note value
> beyond the whole note.  If I enter the whole note and type "period" for the
> dot, I get a period (instead of a dot).  How can I get a dotted whole note
> in the expression dialogue box?
> 
> 
> 
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[Finale] expressions

[Dalvin Boone]

Finale 26, Windows 7.

 

I have a score with a change from 4/2 to 3/2, and I want to enter half-note
= dotted whole note.  I try to create  the marking in the expressions
dialogue box, but the list of notes to enter does not include any note value
beyond the whole note.  If I enter the whole note and type "period" for the
dot, I get a period (instead of a dot).  How can I get a dotted whole note
in the expression dialogue box?

 

Dalvin Boone

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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[SN jef chippewa]

i'm trying to remember if i have seen it since 
moving to 2014.5, but certainly nowhere as often 
as in earlier versions.  the finger "gliss" trick 
worked each time for me - sometimes i did LH+RH 
4-3-2-1- repeatedly, just for a little variation 
on the technique :-).

now thinking about this again, it seems (in my 
case, at least) that it was only the number keys 
(above the letters, not numpad) metatools that 
the programme got stuck on.


>In earlier versions of Finale I was able to fix 
>it by first making sure I was saved, and then I 
>ran my hands flat over the keys horizontally 
>several times, hitting every key.  When I then 
>tried to enter an expression, it worked.  But 
>this was back in 2012, 2014, and maybe 2014.5. 
>I haven¹t had it happen in v25, the latestŠyet. 
>I do also recall that the last time it happen, 
>this trick didn¹t work.  But I don¹t recall what 
>version I was in at the time.

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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Barbara Touburg]

I think the f key (my metatool for forte) was stuck. :( Everything is 
fine again. Pfff...
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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[j...@thomastudios.com]

This has been a known bug in Finale for years, and I have been bitching about 
it at least that long.  Somehow, meta tool settings or something gets munged 
and no matter what expression you try to enter, you always get the same one.  
For me, it’s the last expression I entered, whatever it was.  I have been 
around this muck with tech support many, many times, and I did finally get them 
to admit they were aware of the problem.  But that was it.

It used to be that you could quit and reboot Finale and that fixed it.  Then it 
started requiring a complete Mac reboot.  The last time it happened to me that 
is what it took.

In earlier versions of Finale I was able to fix it by first making sure I was 
saved, and then I ran my hands flat over the keys horizontally several times, 
hitting every key.  When I then tried to enter an expression, it worked.  But 
this was back in 2012, 2014, and maybe 2014.5.  I haven’t had it happen in v25, 
the latest…yet.  I do also recall that the last time it happen, this trick 
didn’t work.  But I don’t recall what version I was in at the time.


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> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Barbara Touburg  wrote:
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> Suddenly, double-clicking above the staff to add a tempo mark results in 
> the placement of a forte sign. Why doesn't this work anymore???
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[Finale] Expressions

[Barbara Touburg]

Suddenly, double-clicking above the staff to add a tempo mark results in 
the placement of a forte sign. Why doesn't this work anymore???
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[Finale] Expressions

[Barbara Touburg]

Sometimes thet are red. Sometimes they are black. Why?
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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Barbara Touburg]

On 14-8-2015 22:16, Fiskum, Steve wrote:
 Look at the your Display Colors in Preferences and note which colors are
 being used by which tool. Go back to your score. Using your selection tool
 double click the red and black ones and see what tool was used.

 Hope that clears it up for you.
 Steve

'Fraid not. Both the black as the red ones were created with the 
expression tool.
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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Fiskum, Steve]

Look at the your Display Colors in Preferences and note which colors are
being used by which tool. Go back to your score. Using your selection tool
double click the red and black ones and see what tool was used.

Hope that clears it up for you.
Steve

On 8/14/15 2:59 PM, Barbara Touburg btoub...@online.nl wrote:

Sometimes thet are red. Sometimes they are black. Why?
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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Scott Jones]

One is note attached and the other is measure attached. 

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Sent from my i5

 On Aug 14, 2015, at 16:24, Barbara Touburg btoub...@online.nl wrote:
 
 On 14-8-2015 22:16, Fiskum, Steve wrote:
 Look at the your Display Colors in Preferences and note which colors are
 being used by which tool. Go back to your score. Using your selection tool
 double click the red and black ones and see what tool was used.
 
 Hope that clears it up for you.
 Steve
 
 'Fraid not. Both the black as the red ones were created with the 
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[Finale] expressions and smart line attachment with one line staff

[Julien Jamet]

Hello everyone,

whenever i need to use a 1 line staff for the percussion i can't properly
attach expressions and smart lines.
i get a weird cursor : arrow up and arrow left at the same time and it will
only let me attach things
to the previous normal 5 line staff !

Any ideas ?

Thanks in advance.

Julien

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Re: [Finale] expressions and smart line attachment with one line staff

[SN jef chippewa]

in my experience, clicking directly on the note position right on the 
staffline works for expressions.  for smart shapes, place the cursor 
directly over the VERY middle before 2-click-dragging (hairpins, for 
example).

if you mean previous on the same instrument (not adjacent staff), 
there are indeed situations where weirdness will happen when 
attaching measure-attached smart shapes to a 1-line staff when the 
previous measure inteh same staff in a 5-line.  in those cases, i 
have been forced to create one for the PT and one for the SC and hide 
accordingly.

this is a stupid bug that has been around for many years.  i 
encourage you to file a report with the authorities.


whenever i need to use a 1 line staff for the percussion i can't 
properly attach expressions and smart lines. i get a weird cursor : 
arrow up and arrow left at the same time and it will only let me 
attach things to the previous normal 5 line staff !


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Re: [Finale] expressions and smart line attachment with one line staff

[Julien Jamet]

Some more info :

To attach an articulation the cursor has to be exactly on the staff line
the same occur for a crescendo but as i move it and press alt to check
where it is attached
it shows that it is attached to the preceding 5 line staff measure. !

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Julien Jamet julien.ja...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello everyone,

 whenever i need to use a 1 line staff for the percussion i can't properly
 attach expressions and smart lines.
 i get a weird cursor : arrow up and arrow left at the same time and it
 will only let me attach things
 to the previous normal 5 line staff !

 Any ideas ?

 Thanks in advance.

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Re: [Finale] expressions and smart line attachment with one line staff

[Richard Huggins]

On Feb 9, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Julien Jamet julien.ja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 
 whenever i need to use a 1 line staff for the percussion i can't properly
 attach expressions and smart lines.
 i get a weird cursor : arrow up and arrow left at the same time and it will
 only let me attach things
 to the previous normal 5 line staff !

The arrows are telling you that if you paste or enter something at that 
specific location, it will be tied to that beat or measure. Move the cursor 
ever so slightly L-R or U-D and you'll see that cursor change (one less arrow) 
telling you that now what you paste or assign will be tied to that area 
more-less but is relatively free to  move about the cabin. I usually prefer it 
being ties to exactly where I wan it, so I choose that option. 

By the way... when you're doing layout and you see a, lets say a dynamic 
marking (p, mf f etc.), and you don't know how it got to where it is, and why 
it's in such an odd location, chances are good that you didn't notice that one 
of those arrows was pointing away from the stave when you pasted in/assigned 
it. You'll see it in layout. That means that your cursor is/was low enough or 
high enough that Finale thinks you're working on the previous stave or the 
following one, and it has tied that marking to that stave and that point. Just 
select the tool that applies, click inside the little box of that symbol (the 
handle), and drag it until you see the arrow change, thenplace it where you 
want it. (When something MUST stay where it is, always look  for the two-arrow 
indicator).

I  can't account for your not being allowed to paste something onto the 
percussion line but I don't believe it haha… go really slow and see if you 
aren't offered a hand (smile).

RH

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Re: [Finale] expressions and smart line attachment with one line staff

[Julien Jamet]

Thanks for your answer Jef.

Yes i mean previous on the same instrument.

I'm not familiar with the procedure to file a report
but i'll try to get into it as soon as i have some time.



On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:46 PM, SN jef chippewa 
shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:


 in my experience, clicking directly on the note position right on the
 staffline works for expressions.  for smart shapes, place the cursor
 directly over the VERY middle before 2-click-dragging (hairpins, for
 example).

 if you mean previous on the same instrument (not adjacent staff),
 there are indeed situations where weirdness will happen when
 attaching measure-attached smart shapes to a 1-line staff when the
 previous measure inteh same staff in a 5-line.  in those cases, i
 have been forced to create one for the PT and one for the SC and hide
 accordingly.

 this is a stupid bug that has been around for many years.  i
 encourage you to file a report with the authorities.


 whenever i need to use a 1 line staff for the percussion i can't
 properly attach expressions and smart lines. i get a weird cursor :
 arrow up and arrow left at the same time and it will only let me
 attach things to the previous normal 5 line staff !


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Re: [Finale] expressions and smart line attachment with one line staff

[Julien Jamet]

Thanks Richard.
But apart from this specific problem i do not have any trouble with proper
attachment.
As Jef mentioned it is a bug.

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Julien Jamet julien.ja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for your answer Jef.

 Yes i mean previous on the same instrument.

 I'm not familiar with the procedure to file a report
 but i'll try to get into it as soon as i have some time.



 On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:46 PM, SN jef chippewa 
 shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:


 in my experience, clicking directly on the note position right on the
 staffline works for expressions.  for smart shapes, place the cursor
 directly over the VERY middle before 2-click-dragging (hairpins, for
 example).

 if you mean previous on the same instrument (not adjacent staff),
 there are indeed situations where weirdness will happen when
 attaching measure-attached smart shapes to a 1-line staff when the
 previous measure inteh same staff in a 5-line.  in those cases, i
 have been forced to create one for the PT and one for the SC and hide
 accordingly.

 this is a stupid bug that has been around for many years.  i
 encourage you to file a report with the authorities.


 whenever i need to use a 1 line staff for the percussion i can't
 properly attach expressions and smart lines. i get a weird cursor :
 arrow up and arrow left at the same time and it will only let me
 attach things to the previous normal 5 line staff !


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[Finale] expressions solved

[Katherine Hoover]

Thanks to finalelist, my problem is indeed solved.  As some of you  
mentioned, in the expressions, the enclosures simply don't show, but  
they show on the score.  All my footnotes about special fingerings  
are now clear.

Katherine Hoover

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[Finale] Expressions on last measure of MM rest

[Mark Ralston]

Originally [Finale] Linked parts to new/extracted parts? thread:

On Aug. 25 SN jef chippewa replied to Chuck Israels question:
 Another situation with which I have trouble is when there's a DS, a
 to Coda, or a DS al Coda attached to measures included in MM
 rests in some parts.

 your expression definition is set to Break MM Rests.  uncheck it.

I'm not sure if unchecking Break MM Rests on the D.S. al Coda type  
expressions will work by itself in all cases. In Fin 2010, the  
expression is hidden on the part in MM rests even though it is still  
attached to the last measure of the MM group.

Finale combines all the rests in the MM into a single measure  
graphically on the page. Anything attached to measures after the first  
one in the MM rest will not display. (FYI I have to use extracted  
instead of linked parts so this might be different in linked parts  
using Fin 2012)

I get around this by attaching the expression (set to appear in the  
part only) flush right to the right barline of the 1st measure of the  
MM group. It will be at the end of the MM rest in the part. The  
expression that does appear in the score in the correct place can stay  
defined and placed as is. Attach the hidden expression only to the  
parts that will have the MM Rest or you could get two D.S. al Codas.
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Re: [Finale] Expressions on last measure of MM rest

[SN jef chippewa]

if you foresee how the parts will look you can place the extra 
expression in the 1st measure of the MM in the SC and set it to 
appear only in the SC; then set the one in the last measure to only 
appear in the SC.

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Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions

[Steve Parker]

Make a score first that looks correct and sounds wrong.
Then duplicate file and change independent sigs to look wrong but sound right.

Steve P.

On 5 Jan 2012, at 00:54, Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings 
wrote:

 
 Dear Collective Wisdom:
 
 I am working on a show in which five reed players perform on multiple 
 instruments as is, of course, very common. I have defined my 
 expressions (e.g., To Alto, To Clarinet) as the appropriate MIDI 
 patch, but need also to specify transposition, e.g., from E-flat alto 
 to B-flat clarinet), but cannot accomplish this within the parameters 
 offered. The manual is singularly unhelpful in this regard.
 
 A temporary solution that I have used is to turn off transposition and 
 make key signatures independent under staff attributes. The score, 
 therefore, is correct, but the playback sounds like hell. Playback is 
 important, though not critical, for me, as I use it mostly for error 
 detection. In this case, however, I should like to use it to make 
 rehearsal tapes for the singers.
 
 Any advice that will be helpful and very much appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
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Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions

[Steve Parker]

Ignore even more that my posts arrived out of order.

Steve P.

On 5 Jan 2012, at 10:44, Steve Parker wrote:

 Make a score first that looks correct and sounds wrong.
 Then duplicate file and change independent sigs to look wrong but sound right.
 
 Steve P.
 
 On 5 Jan 2012, at 00:54, Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom Musical 
 Engravings wrote:
 
 
 Dear Collective Wisdom:
 
 I am working on a show in which five reed players perform on multiple 
 instruments as is, of course, very common. I have defined my 
 expressions (e.g., To Alto, To Clarinet) as the appropriate MIDI 
 patch, but need also to specify transposition, e.g., from E-flat alto 
 to B-flat clarinet), but cannot accomplish this within the parameters 
 offered. The manual is singularly unhelpful in this regard.
 
 A temporary solution that I have used is to turn off transposition and 
 make key signatures independent under staff attributes. The score, 
 therefore, is correct, but the playback sounds like hell. Playback is 
 important, though not critical, for me, as I use it mostly for error 
 detection. In this case, however, I should like to use it to make 
 rehearsal tapes for the singers.
 
 Any advice that will be helpful and very much appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
 Benjamin
 
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Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions

[Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings]

Dear Steve and Don,

Thank you for the tips--that was the ticket! It is certainly preferable 
to have a score that looks right and sounds wrong, if that choice needs 
to be made. I should have prefaced this by saying that I am compiling a 
score from a set of transposed parts. That may or may not be relevant. 
OK: I created a new template with no transpositions in staff 
attributes, copied the sax parts, verified the correct concert pitch, 
and then applied staff styles. Score and playback seem fine (!), but 
the Staff Styles tool has changed my staff name from, e.g., Reed 1 to 
Alto Saxophone or flute as I scroll along. I would prefer this 
remain Reed 1 and I will indicate instrument changes in the score. 
But this is a great solution; many thanks!

Benjamin



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-Original Message-
From: Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk
To: finale finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2012 8:19 am
Subject: Re: [Finale] {Fraud?} {Disarmed} Re: Expressions with 
associated patches *and* transpositions


Unbelievably I use staff styles all the time without ever noticing that 
I could
change the way I approach doubling!

Steve P.

On 5 Jan 2012, at 12:06, David H. Bailey 
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
wrote:

 On 1/5/2012 5:47 AM, Steve Parker wrote:
 Ah.. please ignore my solution...
 When did Finale gain Don's solution?


 I believe it was Finale98 or so that staff styles were added -- in 
any
 event they've been in the program for many versions now.


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Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions

[Christopher Smith]

Unfortunately, that great solution is gone in 2012. While playback of 
instrument changes is much easier now, the actual act of entering of them into 
the score takes three times the mouse clicks and you can't see the results.

Christopher



On Thu Jan 5, at ThursdayJan 5 11:50 AM, Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom 
Musical Engravings wrote:

 Dear Steve and Don,
 
 Thank you for the tips--that was the ticket! It is certainly preferable 
 to have a score that looks right and sounds wrong, if that choice needs 
 to be made. I should have prefaced this by saying that I am compiling a 
 score from a set of transposed parts. That may or may not be relevant. 
 OK: I created a new template with no transpositions in staff 
 attributes, copied the sax parts, verified the correct concert pitch, 
 and then applied staff styles. Score and playback seem fine (!), but 
 the Staff Styles tool has changed my staff name from, e.g., Reed 1 to 
 Alto Saxophone or flute as I scroll along. I would prefer this 
 remain Reed 1 and I will indicate instrument changes in the score. 
 But this is a great solution; many thanks!
 
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[Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions

[Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings]

Dear Collective Wisdom:

I am working on a show in which five reed players perform on multiple 
instruments as is, of course, very common. I have defined my 
expressions (e.g., To Alto, To Clarinet) as the appropriate MIDI 
patch, but need also to specify transposition, e.g., from E-flat alto 
to B-flat clarinet), but cannot accomplish this within the parameters 
offered. The manual is singularly unhelpful in this regard.

A temporary solution that I have used is to turn off transposition and 
make key signatures independent under staff attributes. The score, 
therefore, is correct, but the playback sounds like hell. Playback is 
important, though not critical, for me, as I use it mostly for error 
detection. In this case, however, I should like to use it to make 
rehearsal tapes for the singers.

Any advice that will be helpful and very much appreciated.

Cheers,
Benjamin

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Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions

[Williams, Jim]

The answer to your question depends upon the version of Finale you have.
Please tell us and we can then provide proper advice to you. ;-)

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom Musical 
Engravings ayottemu...@aol.com wrote:

 
 Dear Collective Wisdom:
 
 I am working on a show in which five reed players perform on multiple 
 instruments as is, of course, very common. I have defined my 
 expressions (e.g., To Alto, To Clarinet) as the appropriate MIDI 
 patch, but need also to specify transposition, e.g., from E-flat alto 
 to B-flat clarinet), but cannot accomplish this within the parameters 
 offered. The manual is singularly unhelpful in this regard.
 
 A temporary solution that I have used is to turn off transposition and 
 make key signatures independent under staff attributes. The score, 
 therefore, is correct, but the playback sounds like hell. Playback is 
 important, though not critical, for me, as I use it mostly for error 
 detection. In this case, however, I should like to use it to make 
 rehearsal tapes for the singers.
 
 Any advice that will be helpful and very much appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
 Benjamin
 
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 www.ayottemusic.com
 Flash website: http://www.virtualconservatory.com/ayottemusic.html
 E-mail: ayottemu...@aol.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter/ayottemusic
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Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions

[Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings]

Of course; how silly of me! Finale 2010, Windows.

Thanks!

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From: Williams, Jim jwilli...@franklincollege.edu
To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* 
transpositions


The answer to your question depends upon the version of Finale you have.
Please tell us and we can then provide proper advice to you. ;-)

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom Musical
Engravings ayottemu...@aol.com wrote:


 Dear Collective Wisdom:

 I am working on a show in which five reed players perform on multiple
 instruments as is, of course, very common. I have defined my
 expressions (e.g., To Alto, To Clarinet) as the appropriate MIDI
 patch, but need also to specify transposition, e.g., from E-flat alto
 to B-flat clarinet), but cannot accomplish this within the parameters
 offered. The manual is singularly unhelpful in this regard.

 A temporary solution that I have used is to turn off transposition 
and
 make key signatures independent under staff attributes. The score,
 therefore, is correct, but the playback sounds like hell. Playback is
 important, though not critical, for me, as I use it mostly for error
 detection. In this case, however, I should like to use it to make
 rehearsal tapes for the singers.

 Any advice that will be helpful and very much appreciated.

 Cheers,
 Benjamin

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 Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings LLC, A.S.C.A.P.

 www.ayottemusic.com
 Flash website: http://www.virtualconservatory.com/ayottemusic.html
 E-mail: ayottemu...@aol.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter/ayottemusic
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 Academic: http://independent/academia.edu/benjaminayotte
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[Finale] Expressions for layer 2 in Linked Parts?

[Karl-Johan Ankarblom]

Hi!

I'm really aiming for keeping score  parts in one file I know, but... ;)

I use 2 layers in my, say, Horn 12 part in the score.

As parts I make this two separate parts.

However, in the part containing layer 2, in this case Horn 2, 
expressions/dynamics won't show, appearantly because they are attached to layer 
1 in the first place and Finale thinks its supposed to show only what's in 
Layer 2.

HOW do I get around this? Was it like this in earlier versions (I'm on WinXp, 
2010a)

Of course I want things that obviously applies to both parts (in the music I 
orchestrate anyway..), such as dynamics, to get shown in both parts in Linked 
Parts.

Grateful for your thoughts!

Bästa hälsn. !     Kalle     Karl-Johan Ankarblom 
Bredkilsbacken 4  SE-171 53 SOLNA 

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[Finale] Expressions and shapes do not remain attached to a note

[Eduardo Moguillansky]

Hi all. I have been fighting against this for the past hours so I 
thought I might ask:


I imported a file created with Finale 2008 in 2009. Now I need to edit 
some things with speedy entry, but when I delete or insert anything, the 
expressions and shapes remain attached to the beat where they were 
created and do not shift with the extries they actually correspond to. 
Each time i need to shift them manually. I am most surely missing 
something evident because this could not be the desired behaviour. What 
am I missing? Help is really much appreciated!


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Re: [Finale] Expressions and shapes do not remain attached to a note

[Fiskum, Steve]

It is MM's desired behavior. Grrr!!!

Steve


5/27/09 12:26 PM, Eduardo Moguillansky moguillan...@gmx.de wrote:

 Hi all. I have been fighting against this for the past hours so I
 thought I might ask:
 
 I imported a file created with Finale 2008 in 2009. Now I need to edit
 some things with speedy entry, but when I delete or insert anything, the
 expressions and shapes remain attached to the beat where they were
 created and do not shift with the extries they actually correspond to.
 Each time i need to shift them manually. I am most surely missing
 something evident because this could not be the desired behaviour. What
 am I missing? Help is really much appreciated!
 
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Re: [Finale] Expressions and shapes do not remain attached to a note

[Eduardo Moguillansky]

I couln't find it but is there a way to revert to the previous behavior, 
as there is with the snapping expressions? I haven't seen so many 
complaints about this, so either this is a welcome feature, which 
seems unimaginable to me, or there is some obvious workaround I have 
still not figured out.


--- Eduardo

Fiskum, Steve wrote:

It is MM's desired behavior. Grrr!!!

Steve


5/27/09 12:26 PM, Eduardo Moguillansky moguillan...@gmx.de wrote:

  

Hi all. I have been fighting against this for the past hours so I
thought I might ask:

I imported a file created with Finale 2008 in 2009. Now I need to edit
some things with speedy entry, but when I delete or insert anything, the
expressions and shapes remain attached to the beat where they were
created and do not shift with the extries they actually correspond to.
Each time i need to shift them manually. I am most surely missing
something evident because this could not be the desired behaviour. What
am I missing? Help is really much appreciated!

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Re: [Finale] Expressions problem

[Michael L Meyer]

Thanks, Christopher.  It's at least nice to know I wasn't going nuts,  
or doing something wrong.  I'll follow your advice -- although, IIRC  
from dragging around as I was first discovering this, the handles and  
the graphics don't move at the same rate when dragged.  Which would  
probably have something to do with Nudge and redraw as necessary.


I will make sure to complain as much as I can.  First time I've ever  
needed the tool.  Interesting.


Thanks again.

-- Mike


On Jan 12, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:


Hi Mike,

You're doing nothing wrong. Graphic expressions are broken this way  
in Finale 2007-2008 and maybe other versions too. I gave up on them  
because of this.


Place them in page view and redraw. If you are using any staff  
reduction, they will probably shift to where they are going to  
print. Reposition them to the right place while trying to remember  
how much offset there was and redraw again. Nudge and redraw as  
necessary. Complain loudly and ungraciously to MakeMusic for leaving  
this so buggy for so long as to practically make it useless.


Christopher


On Jan 12, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Michael L Meyer wrote:


Hello Great Gurus --

After 14(?) years of using Finale, I finally have need for the  
expression designer.  Go figure ...


FinMac08 -- I'm trying to make an expression (or would it be an  
articulation?) that automatically attaches directly above the note  
(and above the staff) that I attach it to.  The expression uses an  
imported graphic -- basically, I'm arranging a piece that uses an  
iPhone Ocarina, and I'm trying to attach the various pictures of  
the fingerings to each note in the part.


Importing the graphic is no problem, although at the moment it  
appears a bit bigger than I'd like.  The problem is that getting  
the placement right in scroll view isn't translating to anything  
else.  I've uploaded graphic files of four views, which can be  
found at http://public.me.com/mlmmusic   in the folder Expression  
problem.


The view where I place them (file named score view scroll) is  
fine (though, as I said, the graphics are a bit big at the  
moment).  However, when I switch to page view (file score view  
page) the placement is completely offset.  Updating layout,  
redrawing screen, etc. don't change it.


While the difference in part view isn't quite as bad (part view  
scroll), there is still a horizontal offset from the first file.   
And then part view page shows horizontal AND vertical offset.


I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong in the various settings  
that makes the placement change from view to view.  Did I do  
something wrong in the designer?  Should I have set something  
different in the expression placement dialog box?  Is there anyone  
out there who can help me?


Thanks in advance for any assistance provided.

-- Mike
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[Finale] Expressions

[Barbara Touburg]

I thought expressions were automatically note-attached as long as I 
hover over a note and the cursor shows as a note? Instead, I get a 
measure-attached expression! Or am I wrong?


Barbara
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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Florence + Michael]

Which version of Finale are you using? In 2009 there is no longer a  
distinction between measure- and note-attached expressions. In older  
versions, the attachment will depend on the setting chosen in the  
Expression menu.


Michael

On 13 Jan 2009, at 18:34, Barbara Touburg wrote:

I thought expressions were automatically note-attached as long as I  
hover over a note and the cursor shows as a note? Instead, I get a  
measure-attached expression! Or am I wrong?


Barbara
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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Christopher Smith]

On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:

I thought expressions were automatically note-attached as long as I  
hover over a note and the cursor shows as a note? Instead, I get a  
measure-attached expression! Or am I wrong?


Depends on the version.

In 2009, there are NO note or measure-attached expressions any more.  
I am still trying to understand exactly how they work (especially  
avoidance of notes with ledger lines and other things) but the rules  
have changed.


In 2008 and previous, you have to have the mode selected in the menu.  
I always had Context Sensitive selected (as you describe) but  
defaulting to Measure Attached or Note Attached are the other two  
options. Make sure you have the right one selected.


Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Barbara Touburg]

Florence + Michael wrote:
Which version of Finale are you using? In 2009 there is no longer a 
distinction between measure- and note-attached expressions. In older 
versions, the attachment will depend on the setting chosen in the 
Expression menu.


Michael


I'm still on 2008 because of the expression assignment list issue.
In the menu, I have Context Sensitive checked.

Barbara
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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Barbara Touburg]

Christopher Smith wrote:


On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:

I thought expressions were automatically note-attached as long as I 
hover over a note and the cursor shows as a note? Instead, I get a 
measure-attached expression! Or am I wrong?


Depends on the version.

In 2009, there are NO note or measure-attached expressions any more. I 
am still trying to understand exactly how they work (especially 
avoidance of notes with ledger lines and other things) but the rules 
have changed.


In 2008 and previous, you have to have the mode selected in the menu. I 
always had Context Sensitive selected (as you describe) but defaulting 
to Measure Attached or Note Attached are the other two options. Make 
sure you have the right one selected.


Christopher


Since Context Sentivite already is selected, Measure or Note Attached 
really are superfluous. Context Sensitive just doesn't work!

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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Florence + Michael]

Context Sensitive applies to expressions entered with Metatools. If  
you're using Metatools, the expressions will be entered as measure- 
attached or note-attached, depending on whether the little note shows  
on the cursor. If you are entering expressions with double click, the  
dialog will show the type of attachment you last used when you made a  
choice between measure-attached and note-attached when using this  
dialog.


Michael

On 13 Jan 2009, at 20:06, Barbara Touburg wrote:
Since Context Sentivite already is selected, Measure or Note  
Attached really are superfluous. Context Sensitive just doesn't work!



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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Christopher Smith]

On Jan 13, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:


Florence + Michael wrote:
Which version of Finale are you using? In 2009 there is no longer  
a distinction between measure- and note-attached expressions. In  
older versions, the attachment will depend on the setting chosen  
in the Expression menu.

Michael


I'm still on 2008 because of the expression assignment list issue.
In the menu, I have Context Sensitive checked.


Are you in the correct layer? incorrect layer will cause every  
expression to be measure-attached.


Even though the menu says Metatools: Context Sensitive, it STILL  
applies to manual expression selection too, in the following way:


First of all, note attached is NOT available unless you are in the  
correct layer AND if the cursor was close enough to a note to attach  
to it. The cursor changes shape, to get a little quarter note in the  
upper-right-hand quadrant of the crosshairs, whenever you are about  
to attach to a note. When you double-click and the cursor showed note- 
attached, you get the dialogue box where you are actually able to  
change your mind and choose Measure Attached instead. This choice  
will stick for future selections until you manually click the Note- 
Attached button, where it will stick until the next time you change  
it, etc.


christopher


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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Barbara Touburg]

Christopher Smith wrote:


On Jan 13, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:


Florence + Michael wrote:
Which version of Finale are you using? In 2009 there is no longer a 
distinction between measure- and note-attached expressions. In older 
versions, the attachment will depend on the setting chosen in the 
Expression menu.

Michael


I'm still on 2008 because of the expression assignment list issue.
In the menu, I have Context Sensitive checked.


Are you in the correct layer? incorrect layer will cause every 
expression to be measure-attached.


Even though the menu says Metatools: Context Sensitive, it STILL applies 
to manual expression selection too, in the following way:


First of all, note attached is NOT available unless you are in the 
correct layer AND if the cursor was close enough to a note to attach to 
it. The cursor changes shape, to get a little quarter note in the 
upper-right-hand quadrant of the crosshairs, whenever you are about to 
attach to a note. When you double-click and the cursor showed 
note-attached, you get the dialogue box where you are actually able to 
change your mind and choose Measure Attached instead. This choice will 
stick for future selections until you manually click the Note-Attached 
button, where it will stick until the next time you change it, etc.


Thank you, that is clear. Please explain to me 1) why I remember it to 
work differently and 2) why the option Measure Attached is there? I've 
been working with Finale since version 1, and this seems new to me somehow.


Barbara
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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Christopher Smith]

On Jan 13, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:


Christopher Smith wrote:

On Jan 13, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:

Florence + Michael wrote:
Which version of Finale are you using? In 2009 there is no  
longer a distinction between measure- and note-attached  
expressions. In older versions, the attachment will depend on  
the setting chosen in the Expression menu.

Michael


I'm still on 2008 because of the expression assignment list issue.
In the menu, I have Context Sensitive checked.
Are you in the correct layer? incorrect layer will cause every  
expression to be measure-attached.
Even though the menu says Metatools: Context Sensitive, it STILL  
applies to manual expression selection too, in the following way:
First of all, note attached is NOT available unless you are in the  
correct layer AND if the cursor was close enough to a note to  
attach to it. The cursor changes shape, to get a little quarter  
note in the upper-right-hand quadrant of the crosshairs, whenever  
you are about to attach to a note. When you double-click and the  
cursor showed note-attached, you get the dialogue box where you  
are actually able to change your mind and choose Measure Attached  
instead. This choice will stick for future selections until you  
manually click the Note-Attached button, where it will stick until  
the next time you change it, etc.


Thank you, that is clear. Please explain to me 1) why I remember it  
to work differently


Heh, heh! I couldn't really say why your memory is different (unless  
I am suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, where I start to think that  
the way the program works NOW is right and good and always has been  
that way! 8-)





and 2) why the option Measure Attached is there?


For metatools, where you need to click it in at a position close to a  
note. You are right, this doesn't seem very useful, but it has all  
changed now in any case.


BTW, I didn't mention in my last reply that everything I said STILL  
WORKS the same way no matter what the menu setting is. The menu  
setting only applies to Metatools.


Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Barbara Touburg]

Christopher Smith wrote:



BTW, I didn't mention in my last reply that everything I said STILL 
WORKS the same way no matter what the menu setting is. The menu setting 
only applies to Metatools.


It didn't always. When did it change, do you know?
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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Christopher Smith]

On Jan 13, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:


Christopher Smith wrote:

BTW, I didn't mention in my last reply that everything I said  
STILL WORKS the same way no matter what the menu setting is. The  
menu setting only applies to Metatools.


It didn't always. When did it change, do you know?


I dunno. I remember it that way for just about ever.

C.

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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Florence + Michael]

The menu setting has applied only to Metatools since it existed, that  
is to say since Finale 2000. In earlier versions, there were separate  
tools for Score Expressions and Staff Expressions, which were  
combined into one tool in Finale 2000: Score Expressions became  
measure-attached expressions and Staff Expressions became note- 
attached ones.


Michael

On 13 Jan 2009, at 20:38, Barbara Touburg wrote:


Christopher Smith wrote:

BTW, I didn't mention in my last reply that everything I said  
STILL WORKS the same way no matter what the menu setting is. The  
menu setting only applies to Metatools.


It didn't always. When did it change, do you know?
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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Darcy James Argue]

In fact, context-sensitive expression attachment has always worked  
this way. I am afraid you must be mis-remembering.


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On 13 Jan 2009, at 2:38 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:


Christopher Smith wrote:

BTW, I didn't mention in my last reply that everything I said STILL  
WORKS the same way no matter what the menu setting is. The menu  
setting only applies to Metatools.


It didn't always. When did it change, do you know?
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[Finale] Expressions problem

[Michael L Meyer]

Hello Great Gurus --

After 14(?) years of using Finale, I finally have need for the  
expression designer.  Go figure ...


FinMac08 -- I'm trying to make an expression (or would it be an  
articulation?) that automatically attaches directly above the note  
(and above the staff) that I attach it to.  The expression uses an  
imported graphic -- basically, I'm arranging a piece that uses an  
iPhone Ocarina, and I'm trying to attach the various pictures of the  
fingerings to each note in the part.


Importing the graphic is no problem, although at the moment it appears  
a bit bigger than I'd like.  The problem is that getting the placement  
right in scroll view isn't translating to anything else.  I've  
uploaded graphic files of four views, which can be found at http://public.me.com/mlmmusic 
   in the folder Expression problem.


The view where I place them (file named score view scroll) is fine  
(though, as I said, the graphics are a bit big at the moment).   
However, when I switch to page view (file score view page) the  
placement is completely offset.  Updating layout, redrawing screen,  
etc. don't change it.


While the difference in part view isn't quite as bad (part view  
scroll), there is still a horizontal offset from the first file.  And  
then part view page shows horizontal AND vertical offset.


I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong in the various settings that  
makes the placement change from view to view.  Did I do something  
wrong in the designer?  Should I have set something different in the  
expression placement dialog box?  Is there anyone out there who can  
help me?


Thanks in advance for any assistance provided.

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Re: [Finale] Expressions problem

[Christopher Smith]

Hi Mike,

You're doing nothing wrong. Graphic expressions are broken this way  
in Finale 2007-2008 and maybe other versions too. I gave up on them  
because of this.


Place them in page view and redraw. If you are using any staff  
reduction, they will probably shift to where they are going to print.  
Reposition them to the right place while trying to remember how much  
offset there was and redraw again. Nudge and redraw as necessary.  
Complain loudly and ungraciously to MakeMusic for leaving this so  
buggy for so long as to practically make it useless.


Christopher


On Jan 12, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Michael L Meyer wrote:


Hello Great Gurus --

After 14(?) years of using Finale, I finally have need for the  
expression designer.  Go figure ...


FinMac08 -- I'm trying to make an expression (or would it be an  
articulation?) that automatically attaches directly above the note  
(and above the staff) that I attach it to.  The expression uses an  
imported graphic -- basically, I'm arranging a piece that uses an  
iPhone Ocarina, and I'm trying to attach the various pictures of  
the fingerings to each note in the part.


Importing the graphic is no problem, although at the moment it  
appears a bit bigger than I'd like.  The problem is that getting  
the placement right in scroll view isn't translating to anything  
else.  I've uploaded graphic files of four views, which can be  
found at http://public.me.com/mlmmusic   in the folder Expression  
problem.


The view where I place them (file named score view scroll) is  
fine (though, as I said, the graphics are a bit big at the  
moment).  However, when I switch to page view (file score view  
page) the placement is completely offset.  Updating layout,  
redrawing screen, etc. don't change it.


While the difference in part view isn't quite as bad (part view  
scroll), there is still a horizontal offset from the first file.   
And then part view page shows horizontal AND vertical offset.


I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong in the various settings  
that makes the placement change from view to view.  Did I do  
something wrong in the designer?  Should I have set something  
different in the expression placement dialog box?  Is there anyone  
out there who can help me?


Thanks in advance for any assistance provided.

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Re: [Finale] Expressions in bottom part score impossible in 2009

[Stig Christensen]

Hi Allen,

Youre right if the document is fresh, it's working, but not if the  
document is originally made in 2008 or earlier.
I think the step from 2008 to 2009 has been a bit time consuming. I  
mean importing the expressions, dividing it to categories, and if you  
use QuicKeys as I do, there are certainly a lot of minor details to  
work out before the system works again.


Anyway thank you for your time!


Den 21/08/2008 kl. 15.35 skrev Allen Fisher:


Stig--

I just tried your steps, and it's working on my MacBook. Does your  
bottom staff have either a staff style or a staff attribute set to  
not display expressions? (Alternate notation...)



On Aug 21, 2008, at 4:20 AM, Stig Christensen wrote:

Edit the Rehearsal Marks Category so that this category uses staff  
list 2. Set the staff list 2 to bottom part and score.

Now, try to insert a rehearsal mark! Is it working?
On my Mac - both of them - it doesn't.


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[Finale] Expressions in bottom part score impossible in 2009

[Stig Christensen]

Hi,

Can you confirm the following problem?

Edit the Rehearsal Marks Category so that this category uses staff  
list 2. Set the staff list 2 to bottom part and score.

Now, try to insert a rehearsal mark! Is it working?
On my Mac - both of them - it doesn't.

I have to cheat Finale by setting the staff list to BOTH bottom and  
top part  score, and then insert the symbol, and then change the  
staff list assignment to only bottom!!


I wish they had checked it better!!

Regards
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Re: [Finale] Expressions in bottom part score impossible in 2009

[Allen Fisher]

Stig--

I just tried your steps, and it's working on my MacBook. Does your  
bottom staff have either a staff style or a staff attribute set to not  
display expressions? (Alternate notation...)



On Aug 21, 2008, at 4:20 AM, Stig Christensen wrote:

Edit the Rehearsal Marks Category so that this category uses staff  
list 2. Set the staff list 2 to bottom part and score.

Now, try to insert a rehearsal mark! Is it working?
On my Mac - both of them - it doesn't.


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[Finale] Expressions gone wild

[Jeff Tanner]

Hey Everyone

I'm on Fin 2008 and everything was going well until I started working  
with formatting the linked parts.  I've discovered my Rehearsal  
Marks, inputted as Staff Expressions (boxed - set to display top  
staff only in score and parts) have mysteriously duplicated  
themselves and some seem to have disappeared.  Anybody know anything  
about this and also, is there a better way to do rehearsal marks than  
staff expressions?  Thanks

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[Finale] Expressions bug

[Carl Dershem]

Using FinWin2k4.  Working on a piece with lyrics (never my favorite) and 
suddenly all of my expressions and lyrics vanish.


Any idea why this might happen?

Any clue as to how to recover, other than manually?

Thanks!

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[Finale] Expressions.

[keith helgesen]

Very basic question! 



I’m on Fin Win 2001d (Yeah- OK, I know, I
know should update – but I prefer it to the later toggle type simple(?)
entry of 2003 onwards!)



Actually I have 2004 here on disc- tried it- couldn’t
handle all the dangly bits!



I probably can’t use it now- (or could I?)



Anyway- my question-



Having created “continue” as an _expression_, and
assigned c as the metatool, I find I cannot make it enter on “this stave
only” without the full; double click, select, dialogue box, this
stave only, OK, routine.



Wish I could use for instance,- ctrl/shift meta-
or something to acheive this! Or am I missing something?



Cheers Keith in OZ





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Re: [Finale] Expressions.

[dhbailey]

keith helgesen wrote:


Very basic question!

 

I’m on Fin Win 2001d  (Yeah- OK,  I know, I know should update – but I 
prefer it to the later toggle type simple(?) entry of 2003 onwards!)


 

Actually I have 2004 here on disc- tried it- couldn’t handle all the 
dangly bits!


 


I probably can’t use it now- (or could I?)


Yes you should be able to install it even now.


[snip]
Having created “continue” as an expression, and assigned c as the 
metatool, I find I cannot make it enter on “this stave only” without the 
full;  double click, select, dialogue box, this stave only, OK, routine.


 

Wish I could use for instance,-   ctrl/shift meta- or something to 
acheive this! Or am I missing something?




In the Expression menu are three options (at least these have been here 
the past few versions, can't remember when they were introduced) for 
metatool assignment.  You can specify measure-attached only, or 
note-attached only, or context-sensitive.


With context-sensitive, if you have the mouse cursor anywhere other than 
exactly on a note (watch the cursor change to be certain) and use the 
metatool, you will get a measure expression which will be in all staves.


If you have the cursor pointing exactly at a note column (again, watch 
the cursor to be sure it has changed to the note-specific cursor) and 
use the metatool it will place a note expression on that staff alone.


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[Finale] Expressions quickly?

[Neal Schermerhorn]

If I want to assign an expression, like a dynamic marking, to one staff but
not another in a score, I can go through the dialogues (time-consuming) or I
can use the number shortcut (click while holding 5 yields mf) but that
method puts the expression on every staff.

1) What possessed them to make that the default?

2) Is there a fast way to pop expressions in on only one staff?

BTW 2004 on W98.

Neal Schermerhorn
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Re: [Finale] Expressions quickly?

[David W. Fenton]

On 12 May 2005 at 13:13, Neal Schermerhorn wrote:

 If I want to assign an expression, like a dynamic marking, to one
 staff but not another in a score, I can go through the dialogues
 (time-consuming) or I can use the number shortcut (click while holding
 5 yields mf) but that method puts the expression on every staff.
 
 1) What possessed them to make that the default?

I wondered about that with the first version of Finale that I used 
that combined note and measure expressions. I hardly ever use measure 
expressions, so the flip to preferring measure expressions as the 
default configuration was annoying.

 2) Is there a fast way to pop expressions in on only one staff?

Easy: with the Expression tool selected, go to the Expressions menu 
and choose Metatools: Note Attached or Metatools: Context Sensitive.

I use the former, since I so seldom use any measure expressions. The 
difference is that if Finale can identify the note you want the 
Expression attached to when you click the metatool, it makes it a 
note expression. If it can't identify the note, it makes it a measure 
expression. Since I occasionally click inaccurately (and miss the 
note), I'd prefer that nothing at all happens, rather than have 
Finale guess that I want a measure expression (which I almost never 
do, except for the tempo marking at the beginning of a movement).

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Re: [Finale] Expressions quickly?

[Harold Owen]

Neal Schermerhorn writes:
If I want to assign an expression, like a dynamic marking, to one staff but
not another in a score, I can go through the dialogues (time-consuming) or I
can use the number shortcut (click while holding 5 yields mf) but that
method puts the expression on every staff.
1) What possessed them to make that the default?
2) Is there a fast way to pop expressions in on only one staff?
BTW 2004 on W98.
Neal,
Go to the Expression Menu and choose Metatools: Context Sensitive. 
When you are ready to enter an expression via the number shortcut, be 
sure to place your cursor on or below the note to get the expression 
for just that part. If you click outside that location, you get the 
expression assigned to all staves.

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Re: [Finale] Expressions quickly?

[dhbailey]

Harold Owen wrote:
Neal Schermerhorn writes:
If I want to assign an expression, like a dynamic marking, to one 
staff but
not another in a score, I can go through the dialogues 
(time-consuming) or I
can use the number shortcut (click while holding 5 yields mf) but that
method puts the expression on every staff.

1) What possessed them to make that the default?
2) Is there a fast way to pop expressions in on only one staff?
BTW 2004 on W98.

Neal,
Go to the Expression Menu and choose Metatools: Context Sensitive. 
When you are ready to enter an expression via the number shortcut, be 
sure to place your cursor on or below the note to get the expression for 
just that part. If you click outside that location, you get the 
expression assigned to all staves.

Hal
You can see the difference in the appearance of the cursor -- pay 
attention to that because it can save a lot of aggravation.

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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Giovanni Doro]

There is a very useful utility called Quickeys: you can program a key
character to run one shortcut, or a sequence of operations, in real time 
too.
You'll can save a lot of time.

Giovanni Doro
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On Apr 6, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:

 keith helgesen wrote:

 Putting in expressions, is there a way to indicate This staff only-
 or All Staves using just top numbers and mouse? Possibly adding
 shift, or alt or something?

 Yes, within limits.  Assign a metatool to the expression, and you can
 do this.



Huh? Is this new? Or PC-specific? I haven't EVER been able to make a
metatool-assigned expression obey staff lists. How do you do this?

Christopher



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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Noel Stoutenburg]

keith helgesen wrote:
Putting in expressions, is there a way to indicate This staff only- 
or All Staves using just top numbers and mouse? Possibly adding 
shift, or alt or something?

Yes, within limits.  Assign a metatool to the expression, and you can do 
this.

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Re: [Finale] Expressions

[Christopher Smith]

On Apr 6, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
keith helgesen wrote:
Putting in expressions, is there a way to indicate This staff only- 
or All Staves using just top numbers and mouse? Possibly adding 
shift, or alt or something?

Yes, within limits.  Assign a metatool to the expression, and you can 
do this.


Huh? Is this new? Or PC-specific? I haven't EVER been able to make a 
metatool-assigned expression obey staff lists. How do you do this?

Christopher

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Re: [Finale] Expressions : Vert align in Gtr tab?

[Simon Troup]

  Anyone know how to precisely set vertical positioning of
  expressions against tab numbers? What works for one string doesn't
  for another!

 Which vertical positioning option do you have problems with? If you
 always want the expressions at the exact same vertical position
 regardless of musical contents, best options are probably Above
 Staff Baseline or Below Staff Baseline.

Hi Jari

Setting expression alignments relative to the stave is easy and reliable. I 
want vertical alignments as offsets from the tab numbers (or tab lines), so 
that an expression would be (for example) +20 EVPU above a tab number. If you 
were going up a scale for example, the expressions attached to the tab numbers 
would follow the same contour and always be +20 EVPU above the number itself. 
At present this doesn't seem to be possible. 

This would also enable automatic placement of shapes such as diamonds around 
tab numbers to represent harmonics.
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Re: [Finale] Expressions : Vert align in Gtr tab?

[Richard Yates]

 I want vertical alignments as offsets from the tab numbers (or tab lines),
so that an expression would be (for example) +20 EVPU above a tab number. If
you were going up a scale for example, the expressions attached to the tab
numbers would follow the same contour and always be +20 EVPU above the
number itself. At present this doesn't seem to be possible.  Simon

You do this kind of thing with articulations instead of with expressions.

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Re: [Finale] Expressions : Vert align in Gtr tab?

[Simon Troup]

  I want vertical alignments as offsets from the tab numbers (or tab
  lines), so that an expression would be (for example) +20 EVPU above
  a tab number. If you were going up a scale for example, the
  expressions attached to the tab numbers would follow the same
  contour and always be +20 EVPU above the number itself. At present
  this doesn't seem to be possible.
 
  Simon

 You do this kind of thing with articulations instead of with 
 expressions.
 
 Richard Yates

Hi Richard

some of the things I'm attaching are complex shape combinations and text 
strings with mixed fonts etc that only expressions can do.

Jari pointed out that what I was asking about could be done by using the 
vertical placement setting Below Entry, so this one's solved!

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Re: [Finale] Expressions : Vert align in Gtr tab?

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Simon Troup wrote:
some of the things I'm attaching are complex shape combinations and text strings with mixed fonts etc that only expressions can do.
 

I admit it's more fiddling, but one can invoke the shape designer from 
the expression tool, and create complex shape combinations and text 
strings with mixed fonts there, should one be willing to do so.  And if 
it were me, I'd only have to do it once, because once I had it done, I'd 
save the expression library, load it into an empty document / document 
without libraries, delete everything but the new shape, load in the rest 
of the shapes, and resave it.  Starting a new document, this 
articulation shape library would be set to automatically loaded into my 
new default document.

But I'll admit that I'd like a capability not unlike what Simon is 
asking for, that is, the ability to assign items, like articulations, 
expressions, and smart shapes to items not necessarily directly 
connected to the staff. 

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[Finale] Expressions : Vert align in Gtr tab?

[Simon Troup]

Anyone know how to precisely set vertical positioning of
expressions against tab numbers? What works for one string doesn't for another!

I've been working around this for ages, occurred to me maybe there's a
way to do it, the list comes up with some great workarounds quite often :)
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Re: [Finale] Expressions??

[laloba2]

Hi Carl,
Just out of curiosity...what happens if you export the expressions 
library from either an earlier version (backup) of this piece or one 
of your other templates/scores and then import that library into the 
document that is now missing the expressions?  Will the document 
find the imported expressions again and put them back into the 
score?   (duping the file first of course for safety before 
experimenting :-))

-K


Hello, there.
Just got --THIS-- close to finishing a piece, and all of a sudden 
my expressions all went away.  Tempo markings, dynamics, all that. 
Went in to put them back in, and the actual expressions were gone - 
the descriptions were still there (though in a very different font), 
but the actual expressions were empty.

Using WinWin 2004.
Any idea what may cause this, and/or cures?
Thanks!
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Re: [Finale] Expressions??

[Carl Dershem]

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Hi Carl,
Just out of curiosity...what happens if you export the expressions 
library from either an earlier version (backup) of this piece or one of 
your other templates/scores and then import that library into the 
document that is now missing the expressions?  Will the document find 
the imported expressions again and put them back into the score?   
(duping the file first of course for safety before experimenting :-))
If I could remember how to do that (not something I normally deal with), 
I could answer you.  But I've never had to do that before, and cannot 
remember what libraries to import to get my expressions back.

Yeah, it's kinda dopey, but you generally only get good at what you do 
on a regular basis.  First time I've had this problem in MANY years.

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Re: [Finale] Expressions??

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Carl Dershem wrote:
Hello, there.
Just got --THIS-- close to finishing a piece, and all of a sudden my 
expressions all went away.  Tempo markings, dynamics, all that.  Went 
in to put them back in, and the actual expressions were gone - the 
descriptions were still there (though in a very different font), but 
the actual expressions were empty.

Using WinWin 2004.
Any idea what may cause this, and/or cures?
Did you change a default font?  perhaps the font for the expressions got 
changed along with it. 


I think I'd save the file as is, under a temporary name; then save the 
expression library, also under a temporary name.  Then, open an empty 
document, or document without libraries, and load the expression 
library from the corrupted file only.  I would also open a back-up where 
the library is intact, and compare the fonts. with the fonts in the 
backed-up library.

Also, check out the expression definition dialog box; what is the font 
cited?  What happens if you change the fonts there?

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Re: [Finale] Expressions??

[Carl Dershem]

Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
Carl Dershem wrote:
Hello, there.
Just got --THIS-- close to finishing a piece, and all of a sudden my 
expressions all went away.  Tempo markings, dynamics, all that.  Went 
in to put them back in, and the actual expressions were gone - the 
descriptions were still there (though in a very different font), but 
the actual expressions were empty.

Using WinWin 2004.
Any idea what may cause this, and/or cures?
Did you change a default font?  perhaps the font for the expressions got 
changed along with it.
Didn't change any settings, including fonts.  Checked the other fonts, 
and they are also as before.  Hmmm...

I think I'd save the file as is, under a temporary name; then save the 
expression library, also under a temporary name.  Then, open an empty 
document, or document without libraries, and load the expression 
library from the corrupted file only.  I would also open a back-up where 
the library is intact, and compare the fonts. with the fonts in the 
backed-up library.
I'll do that, but am still wondering  what caused it to eat itself.
Also, check out the expression definition dialog box; what is the font 
cited?  What happens if you change the fonts there?
The fonts are as always.  Changing them does not change anything at all.
This is really irritating.
ns
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Re: [Finale] Expressions??

[Carl Dershem]

Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 01:16 PM 11/5/04 -0800, Carl Dershem wrote:
Just got --THIS-- close to finishing a piece, and all of a sudden my 
expressions all went away.  Tempo markings, dynamics, all that.  Went in 
to put them back in, and the actual expressions were gone - the 
descriptions were still there (though in a very different font), but the 
actual expressions were empty.

Not sure what version of Windows, but you might have lost system resources
for display. Earlier versions of Windows will start dumping fonts when
resources get low. Save under a new name for safety's sake, and reboot.
Using XP Home SP 2, with 2 GB of RAM and a 128MB video card (yes, I do a 
lot of graphics), so resources really shouldn't be an issue.

cd
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