Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem
There seem to be some bugs in this area and they aren't fixed with 2014.5. I have frequent problems with instruments going way too quiet, and I have been completely unsuccessful at finding a cause. If by the "GPO Mixer" you mean Aria, you can't use the volume sliders there. That corresponds to a different MIDI controller that is used dynamically by Finale for volume adjustments (crecendos etc.) If your two parts are on different layers, you can and should split these out to 2 separate GPO instruments. You can do this in Score manager. There is a pull-down arrow on the instrument line that expands to show the separate layers and you can put your bass clarinet on a different GPO channel. And also in the Score Manager, you should be able to set the base volume for that layer. On 11/20/2015 10:53 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > Windows finale version 2014, Finale GPO: I added a bass clarinet line in > the middle of working on a piece but it is playing back much too loudly . > I lower the volume in the GPO mixer, but when I play back the slider goes > back to the top. I can't lower it in the Studio view because it is sharing > a staff with clarinet 2. What am I missing? Thanks for any help. > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem
Ok, now I see that Craig said base volume score manager, not Aria. I recall seeing volume settings in score manager in an earlier life but I don't see it now. Thanks for all suggestions On Nov 21, 2015 8:40 AM, "Craig Parmerlee" <cr...@parmerlee.com> wrote: > There seem to be some bugs in this area and they aren't fixed with > 2014.5. I have frequent problems with instruments going way too quiet, > and I have been completely unsuccessful at finding a cause. > > If by the "GPO Mixer" you mean Aria, you can't use the volume sliders > there. That corresponds to a different MIDI controller that is used > dynamically by Finale for volume adjustments (crecendos etc.) > > If your two parts are on different layers, you can and should split > these out to 2 separate GPO instruments. You can do this in Score > manager. There is a pull-down arrow on the instrument line that expands > to show the separate layers and you can put your bass clarinet on a > different GPO channel. And also in the Score Manager, you should be > able to set the base volume for that layer. > > > > > On 11/20/2015 10:53 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > > Windows finale version 2014, Finale GPO: I added a bass clarinet line > in > > the middle of working on a piece but it is playing back much too > loudly . > > I lower the volume in the GPO mixer, but when I play back the slider goes > > back to the top. I can't lower it in the Studio view because it is > sharing > > a staff with clarinet 2. What am I missing? Thanks for any help. > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem
On 11/21/2015 11:29 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > Ok, now I see that Craig said base volume score manager, not Aria. I > recall seeing volume settings in score manager in an earlier life but I > don't see it now. Thanks for all suggestions There is a button on the score manager that allows you to select the columns you want to see. It seems that with 2014.5, they left the volume off by default. But you can select it. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem
Yes, you can set that volume in the Score Manager, not in the Aria Mixer. DO not use the Aria Mixer volume sliders. They are controlled dynamically by Finale to adjust playback nuances. Go into score manager and assign instruments at the layer level, not at the staff level. In the Score Manager, there is a button that lets you choose the columns you want to see. One of those columns is the base volume. If you have put the Bass Clarinet layer into its own instrument, you can set the base level for that instrument as you wish. On 11/21/2015 8:32 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > Ok, I don't see any base volume control in the Aria mixer, but the > modulation control helped quite a bit. > > Does anyone have any system for setting volumes and balance with GPO? I > keep running into instances where instruments do not respond to dynamics in > the music, etc, and balance changes when I'm not looking. > Thanks! > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem
Regarding my cases of instruments getting too quiet, i have always suspected spurious MIDI data. But I recently went to the trouble of building my whole score from scratch, then doing a copy in of just the notes, not any of the MIDI data. And the problem soon returned (after just a few minutes) A shutdown and restart of MIDI doesn't clear it. The only thing I have found that clears the condition is to go into the Aria panel and EMPTY the instrument, then load it again. Simply RELOADing does not clear it. And here is a curious observation. The problem happens most often on Trombone 3. It is possible that it ONLY happens on Trombone 3, as there may have been good explanations for any volume issues on other instruments (mute keyswitches on, etc) I switched to the JABB3 Trombone 4 sounds and so far have not had the problem at all. On 11/21/2015 10:11 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: > I am wondering if some random MIDI data found its way into the file. Have you > tried to clean out data using the MIDI tool? > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem
Ok, I don't see any base volume control in the Aria mixer, but the modulation control helped quite a bit. Does anyone have any system for setting volumes and balance with GPO? I keep running into instances where instruments do not respond to dynamics in the music, etc, and balance changes when I'm not looking. Thanks! On Nov 21, 2015 8:40 AM, "Craig Parmerlee" <cr...@parmerlee.com> wrote: > There seem to be some bugs in this area and they aren't fixed with > 2014.5. I have frequent problems with instruments going way too quiet, > and I have been completely unsuccessful at finding a cause. > > If by the "GPO Mixer" you mean Aria, you can't use the volume sliders > there. That corresponds to a different MIDI controller that is used > dynamically by Finale for volume adjustments (crecendos etc.) > > If your two parts are on different layers, you can and should split > these out to 2 separate GPO instruments. You can do this in Score > manager. There is a pull-down arrow on the instrument line that expands > to show the separate layers and you can put your bass clarinet on a > different GPO channel. And also in the Score Manager, you should be > able to set the base volume for that layer. > > > > > On 11/20/2015 10:53 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > > Windows finale version 2014, Finale GPO: I added a bass clarinet line > in > > the middle of working on a piece but it is playing back much too > loudly . > > I lower the volume in the GPO mixer, but when I play back the slider goes > > back to the top. I can't lower it in the Studio view because it is > sharing > > a staff with clarinet 2. What am I missing? Thanks for any help. > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem
I am wondering if some random MIDI data found its way into the file. Have you tried to clean out data using the MIDI tool? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. > On Nov 21, 2015, at 8:33 PM, Raymond Horton <horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok, I don't see any base volume control in the Aria mixer, but the > modulation control helped quite a bit. > > Does anyone have any system for setting volumes and balance with GPO? I > keep running into instances where instruments do not respond to dynamics in > the music, etc, and balance changes when I'm not looking. > Thanks! >> On Nov 21, 2015 8:40 AM, "Craig Parmerlee" <cr...@parmerlee.com> wrote: >> >> There seem to be some bugs in this area and they aren't fixed with >> 2014.5. I have frequent problems with instruments going way too quiet, >> and I have been completely unsuccessful at finding a cause. >> >> If by the "GPO Mixer" you mean Aria, you can't use the volume sliders >> there. That corresponds to a different MIDI controller that is used >> dynamically by Finale for volume adjustments (crecendos etc.) >> >> If your two parts are on different layers, you can and should split >> these out to 2 separate GPO instruments. You can do this in Score >> manager. There is a pull-down arrow on the instrument line that expands >> to show the separate layers and you can put your bass clarinet on a >> different GPO channel. And also in the Score Manager, you should be >> able to set the base volume for that layer. >> >> >> >> >>> On 11/20/2015 10:53 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: >>> Windows finale version 2014, Finale GPO: I added a bass clarinet line >> in >>> the middle of working on a piece but it is playing back much too >> loudly . >>> I lower the volume in the GPO mixer, but when I play back the slider goes >>> back to the top. I can't lower it in the Studio view because it is >> sharing >>> a staff with clarinet 2. What am I missing? Thanks for any help. >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem
Turn the Send button on the mixer counterclockwise. Klaus Sendt fra min iPad > Den 21. nov. 2015 kl. 04.53 skrev Raymond Horton <horton.raym...@gmail.com>: > > Windows finale version 2014, Finale GPO: I added a bass clarinet line in > the middle of working on a piece but it is playing back much too loudly . > I lower the volume in the GPO mixer, but when I play back the slider goes > back to the top. I can't lower it in the Studio view because it is sharing > a staff with clarinet 2. What am I missing? Thanks for any help. > ___ > Finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] GPO volume problem
Windows finale version 2014, Finale GPO: I added a bass clarinet line in the middle of working on a piece but it is playing back much too loudly . I lower the volume in the GPO mixer, but when I play back the slider goes back to the top. I can't lower it in the Studio view because it is sharing a staff with clarinet 2. What am I missing? Thanks for any help. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem
The send button was already counterclockwise and fiddling with that doesn't change anything. Thanks, though! On Nov 21, 2015 12:33 AM, "Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre" <yorkmaster...@gmail.com> wrote: > Turn the Send button on the mixer counterclockwise. > > Klaus > > Sendt fra min iPad > > > Den 21. nov. 2015 kl. 04.53 skrev Raymond Horton < > horton.raym...@gmail.com>: > > > > Windows finale version 2014, Finale GPO: I added a bass clarinet line > in > > the middle of working on a piece but it is playing back much too > loudly . > > I lower the volume in the GPO mixer, but when I play back the slider goes > > back to the top. I can't lower it in the Studio view because it is > sharing > > a staff with clarinet 2. What am I missing? Thanks for any help. > > ___ > > Finale > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] GPO problems
I am working in Finales 2014d - IMac - I bought the GPO 4.02 package - The Installer can not find the Data Samples and I have no sounds. I need some help Thanks Alberto Guzmán Naranjo Director de Orquesta - Compositor Profesor Titular Universidad del Valle ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO
I assumed that the instruments included with Finale were identical to the GPO instruments, just a subset. Is that not true? On 1/24/2015 10:12 PM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: Sorry, forgot to compare to the inherent Finale sounds Since I got the GPO, I never use the Finale sounds. Within the instruments covered GPO has a way better variety. Specialties like alto and bass flutes are also covered much better. Klaus Sendt fra min iPhone Den 25/01/2015 kl. 03.45 skrev James Cooper j...@modez.com: Can any of you share your experience using the full Garriton Personal Orchestra vs. the package that comes with Finale? I am on FinWin 2014, and trying to figure out if it is worth it to me to get it. Thanks -- James C. -- James Cooper Composer, classical guitarist, songwriter www.ModeZ.com/default.asp Join me in helping homeless families in Albuquerque: Family Promise of Albuquerque, familypromiseabq.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO
On 1/26/2015 9:20 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I assumed that the instruments included with Finale were identical to the GPO instruments, just a subset. Is that not true? There are two different sound sources provided with recent versions of Finale. One is a subset of GPO instruments (and that subset may well mean reduced variations on particular instruments as well as reduced overall number of instruments), and the other is a GM soundfont, which has been included with Finale far longer than GPO sounds have been included. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO
Which isn’t contradicted by what I said. I prefer using the larger set for its variety. Klaus Sendt fra min iPad Den 26/01/2015 kl. 15.20 skrev Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com: I assumed that the instruments included with Finale were identical to the GPO instruments, just a subset. Is that not true? On 1/24/2015 10:12 PM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: Sorry, forgot to compare to the inherent Finale sounds Since I got the GPO, I never use the Finale sounds. Within the instruments covered GPO has a way better variety. Specialties like alto and bass flutes are also covered much better. Klaus Sendt fra min iPhone Den 25/01/2015 kl. 03.45 skrev James Cooper j...@modez.com: Can any of you share your experience using the full Garriton Personal Orchestra vs. the package that comes with Finale? I am on FinWin 2014, and trying to figure out if it is worth it to me to get it. Thanks -- James C. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO
Thanks much, Klaus! James Cooper Composer, classical guitarist, songwriter www.ModeZ.com/default.asp Join me in helping homeless families in Albuquerque: Family Promise of Albuquerque, familypromiseabq.org On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre yorkmaster...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry, forgot to compare to the inherent Finale sounds Since I got the GPO, I never use the Finale sounds. Within the instruments covered GPO has a way better variety. Specialties like alto and bass flutes are also covered much better. Klaus Sendt fra min iPhone Den 25/01/2015 kl. 03.45 skrev James Cooper j...@modez.com: Can any of you share your experience using the full Garriton Personal Orchestra vs. the package that comes with Finale? I am on FinWin 2014, and trying to figure out if it is worth it to me to get it. Thanks -- James C. -- James Cooper Composer, classical guitarist, songwriter www.ModeZ.com/default.asp Join me in helping homeless families in Albuquerque: Family Promise of Albuquerque, familypromiseabq.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] GPO
Can any of you share your experience using the full Garriton Personal Orchestra vs. the package that comes with Finale? I am on FinWin 2014, and trying to figure out if it is worth it to me to get it. Thanks -- James C. -- James Cooper Composer, classical guitarist, songwriter www.ModeZ.com/default.asp Join me in helping homeless families in Albuquerque: Family Promise of Albuquerque, familypromiseabq.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO
Sorry, forgot to compare to the inherent Finale sounds Since I got the GPO, I never use the Finale sounds. Within the instruments covered GPO has a way better variety. Specialties like alto and bass flutes are also covered much better. Klaus Sendt fra min iPhone Den 25/01/2015 kl. 03.45 skrev James Cooper j...@modez.com: Can any of you share your experience using the full Garriton Personal Orchestra vs. the package that comes with Finale? I am on FinWin 2014, and trying to figure out if it is worth it to me to get it. Thanks -- James C. -- James Cooper Composer, classical guitarist, songwriter www.ModeZ.com/default.asp Join me in helping homeless families in Albuquerque: Family Promise of Albuquerque, familypromiseabq.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO
I have the GPO and I like it a lot. The solo strings and the woodwinds are very good. So are the horns and the tubas. The trumpets and the trombones are not blending too well as sections. Harps are good, but are relatively loud. Section string can be on the mushy side rhythmically. Mostly the professional ranges of instruments are covered, but trumpets are missing their lowest notes. Tubas are a bit limited in their top ranges. I also have the band version, but the GPO has way better note attacks. Klaus Sendt fra min iPhone Den 25/01/2015 kl. 03.45 skrev James Cooper j...@modez.com: Garriton Personal Orchestra ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] GPO Finale Solo Violin notes are sloppy
Adam, The GPO solo strings, especially violin seem to have been made for slow, legato playing. My difficulty with them besides that is that there is no way of making them play non vibrato, and their vibrato is always the same speed and depth. In a string quartet in homorhythmic textures all the strings are playing with vibrato that is in sync and too wide for most contemporary music. Hal Owen -- Harold Owen 1375 Olive Street #402, Eugene, OR 97401 mailto:hjo...@uoregon.edu Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen/ FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO Finale Solo Violin notes are sloppy
I've decided to appeal to the collective wisdom of the list for help with this. I am writing a piece for string quartet, and I want to be able to write fast notes for the GPO Solo Violin (Viola/Cello) in Finale 2009c (not stupidly fast, but along the lines of eighth and sixteenth notes at dotted half=72 (the tempo from the Scherzo movement in Mendelssohn's String Quartet #4). Problem is that the notes come out sloppy. There is no articulation to them at all. In a group of four sixteenth notes, the second and fourth notes more or less disappear in playback, and even staccato eighth runs are sloppy and half the notes aren't even played noticeably. Any advice on how to fix this sloppy sound would be more than appreciated. I love the sounds of the Garritan solo string instruments, but seriously, I can't use them if they're not going to play the notes that are written. And for reference, I even copied out the initial bars of the Mendelssohn Quartet's Scherzo and it gave the same sloppy playback as it did with my own music. I know it can sound a lot better because the recording I have articulates every note clearly at the fast tempo. Adam ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Finale Solo Violin notes are sloppy
This is a (big) problem with the GPO strings. You could try putting accents on the notes and hiding the accents, or using the MIDI tool to increase the velocity (with HP set to Incorporate MIDI) but IMO it's a fundamental weakness in the sample library and there's only so much that can be done. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 10 Feb 2011, at 1:05 PM, Adam Taylor wrote: I've decided to appeal to the collective wisdom of the list for help with this. I am writing a piece for string quartet, and I want to be able to write fast notes for the GPO Solo Violin (Viola/Cello) in Finale 2009c (not stupidly fast, but along the lines of eighth and sixteenth notes at dotted half=72 (the tempo from the Scherzo movement in Mendelssohn's String Quartet #4). Problem is that the notes come out sloppy. There is no articulation to them at all. In a group of four sixteenth notes, the second and fourth notes more or less disappear in playback, and even staccato eighth runs are sloppy and half the notes aren't even played noticeably. Any advice on how to fix this sloppy sound would be more than appreciated. I love the sounds of the Garritan solo string instruments, but seriously, I can't use them if they're not going to play the notes that are written. And for reference, I even copied out the initial bars of the Mendelssohn Quartet's Scherzo and it gave the same sloppy playback as it did with my own music. I know it can sound a lot better because the recording I have articulates every note clearly at the fast tempo. Adam ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Finale Solo Violin notes are sloppy
Adam, I have little experience with this, but I think the sampled string sounds are set up to imitate a (bad) string section - to drag and overlap, rather than to play and articulate cleanly and rhythmically, the way a good string quartet (or string ensemble) can. I would guess that one way to make things play back more cleanly would be to assign a hidden articulation (staccato dots?, accents with dots?) and see if that helps. Of course, it's pain to do, but so are most playback issues. There is also the possibility that assigning another of Robert Piechaud's Human Playback styles may improve things. 21st Century? Anyway, those would be things I'd try. Chuck On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Adam Taylor wrote: I've decided to appeal to the collective wisdom of the list for help with this. I am writing a piece for string quartet, and I want to be able to write fast notes for the GPO Solo Violin (Viola/Cello) in Finale 2009c (not stupidly fast, but along the lines of eighth and sixteenth notes at dotted half=72 (the tempo from the Scherzo movement in Mendelssohn's String Quartet #4). Problem is that the notes come out sloppy. There is no articulation to them at all. In a group of four sixteenth notes, the second and fourth notes more or less disappear in playback, and even staccato eighth runs are sloppy and half the notes aren't even played noticeably. Any advice on how to fix this sloppy sound would be more than appreciated. I love the sounds of the Garritan solo string instruments, but seriously, I can't use them if they're not going to play the notes that are written. And for reference, I even copied out the initial bars of the Mendelssohn Quartet's Scherzo and it gave the same sloppy playback as it did with my own music. I know it can sound a lot better because the recording I have articulates every note clearly at the fast tempo. Adam ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-3162 phone: (503) 926-7952 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Bass Oboe in VSTI Instruments for Finale (GPO)
[Finale 2009] I would like to be able to use the more realistic sounds of GPO rather than the SmartMusic SoftSynth, but GPO knows the ranges of the instruments and does not have a bass oboe in its list. This means notes outside the range will not sound. Apart from buying the full GPO (I haven't checked if it has bass oboe) is there a way I can create my own bass oboe sound? e.g.switching from cor anglais to bassoon as the line moves from one range to the other. Regards, Michael Lawlor ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bass Oboe in VSTI Instruments for Finale (GPO)
Michael Lawlor wrote: is there a way I can create my own bass oboe sound Yes there is away, because I know that a year or two ago, when Garritan had only a 3 octave set of handbell sounds, someone edited the Handbell samples to create a five octave set. However, I don't know how to do it. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bass Oboe in VSTI Instruments for Finale (GPO)
Use expressions to send pitchwheel data. Garritan instruments can be transposed up or down up to an octave via pitchwheel. It's a little tricky so you'll want to read the manual on pitchwheel data. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 4 Sep 2010, at 1:19 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Michael Lawlor wrote: is there a way I can create my own bass oboe sound Yes there is away, because I know that a year or two ago, when Garritan had only a 3 octave set of handbell sounds, someone edited the Handbell samples to create a five octave set. However, I don't know how to do it. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] FinMac2010a Garritan Instruments For Finale GPO 4 ARIA Missing In Setup Wizard
Hi All, I hadn't used the Setup Wizard since I moved to Snow Leopard and FinMac2010 and when I went to use it today in FinMac2010a under Mac OS X 10.6.2, the only choice in the Instrument List is SmartMusic SoftSynth. Both Garritan packages don't show up. I tried deleting the preferences the FinaleAU files but that didn't fix it. In AU Setup, both Garritan packages are their and the Audio Unit Manager shows them present. Before I do a reinstallation, is there anything else I should check? **Leigh ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO String KS not switching, sometimes
Dear list, I am using WinFin 2110a and GPO4. I am working on a full orchestra score, including all horns, trumpets, trombones and strings loaded with KS (keyswitched) patches. Am I correct in that all I need to do, when using the KS patches, to change between mute and open for the brass, or arco and pizz for the strings, is put the correct term on the staff, ahead of the entrance? Sometimes this works, sometimes it does not. I can have arco placed in the identical position on all the string staves and three of them will switch and two won't. On a single switch in a single stave on some playbacks that stave will switch, then on the next playback it will not. What am I doing wrong? Also, will Garritan Jazz and Gariitan Marching Band not work with the Aria Player - is it necessary to use the Kontact Player with them? Many thanks for any help. Raymond Horton ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO String KS not switching, sometimes
Ray Horton wrote: Dear list, I am using WinFin 2110a and GPO4. I am working on a full orchestra score, including all horns, trumpets, trombones and strings loaded with KS (keyswitched) patches. Am I correct in that all I need to do, when using the KS patches, to change between mute and open for the brass, or arco and pizz for the strings, is put the correct term on the staff, ahead of the entrance? Sometimes this works, sometimes it does not. I can have arco placed in the identical position on all the string staves and three of them will switch and two won't. On a single switch in a single stave on some playbacks that stave will switch, then on the next playback it will not. What am I doing wrong? Also, will Garritan Jazz and Gariitan Marching Band not work with the Aria Player - is it necessary to use the Kontact Player with them? Regarding the Jazz and Marching Band question, I believe you have to wait for an updated version to come out which will work with the Aria Player. With regards to the mute and open and arco and pizz question -- make sure you're using the specific entries marked for use with GPO, since they've got the keyswitch data programmed into them. If you're using the plain expressions for those, or creating your own, you won't get the results you want. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO String KS not switching, sometimes
Thanks for quick reply, David. I thought I had read that any use of the word mute or whatever would work. If I read that, the answer, I suppose, is sometimes. I just tried some tests using the expressions supplied, and they do work, even though there is no playback effect ascribed to them. Now my only problem is the lack of a KS bass trombone (or tuba) patch in GPO4. I'll use a workaround. Thanks! RBH dhbailey wrote: Ray Horton wrote: Dear list, I am using WinFin 2110a and GPO4. I am working on a full orchestra score, including all horns, trumpets, trombones and strings loaded with KS (keyswitched) patches. Am I correct in that all I need to do, when using the KS patches, to change between mute and open for the brass, or arco and pizz for the strings, is put the correct term on the staff, ahead of the entrance? Sometimes this works, sometimes it does not. I can have arco placed in the identical position on all the string staves and three of them will switch and two won't. On a single switch in a single stave on some playbacks that stave will switch, then on the next playback it will not. What am I doing wrong? Also, will Garritan Jazz and Gariitan Marching Band not work with the Aria Player - is it necessary to use the Kontact Player with them? Regarding the Jazz and Marching Band question, I believe you have to wait for an updated version to come out which will work with the Aria Player. With regards to the mute and open and arco and pizz question -- make sure you're using the specific entries marked for use with GPO, since they've got the keyswitch data programmed into them. If you're using the plain expressions for those, or creating your own, you won't get the results you want. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO String KS not switching, sometimes
Hmm, I spoke too soon. When I created a new file using staves with GPO4 sounds, the supplied expressions ( mute and open for the brass, or arco and pizz for the strings,) switched correctly. When I carefully copied those expressions into my orchestral piece, the arco and pizz indications now work (yea!) but the mute and open do not. Even the expressions that sometimes worked before now work less often. Same GPO patches in both files! I can switch them manually in the Aria Player, but, well, that misses the point entirely. Very strange. Raymond Horton Ray Horton wrote: Thanks for quick reply, David. I thought I had read that any use of the word mute or whatever would work. If I read that, the answer, I suppose, is sometimes. I just tried some tests using the expressions supplied, and they do work, even though there is no playback effect ascribed to them. Now my only problem is the lack of a KS bass trombone (or tuba) patch in GPO4. I'll use a workaround. Thanks! RBH dhbailey wrote: Ray Horton wrote: Dear list, I am using WinFin 2110a and GPO4. I am working on a full orchestra score, including all horns, trumpets, trombones and strings loaded with KS (keyswitched) patches. Am I correct in that all I need to do, when using the KS patches, to change between mute and open for the brass, or arco and pizz for the strings, is put the correct term on the staff, ahead of the entrance? Sometimes this works, sometimes it does not. I can have arco placed in the identical position on all the string staves and three of them will switch and two won't. On a single switch in a single stave on some playbacks that stave will switch, then on the next playback it will not. What am I doing wrong? Also, will Garritan Jazz and Gariitan Marching Band not work with the Aria Player - is it necessary to use the Kontact Player with them? Regarding the Jazz and Marching Band question, I believe you have to wait for an updated version to come out which will work with the Aria Player. With regards to the mute and open and arco and pizz question -- make sure you're using the specific entries marked for use with GPO, since they've got the keyswitch data programmed into them. If you're using the plain expressions for those, or creating your own, you won't get the results you want. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO String KS not switching, sometimes
OK, when I load new staves and patches for the brass, the keyswitches work OK. Something had gotten fouled up with the old ones. Easily replaced. Thanks, David. RBH Ray Horton wrote: Hmm, I spoke too soon. When I created a new file using staves with GPO4 sounds, the supplied expressions ( mute and open for the brass, or arco and pizz for the strings,) switched correctly. When I carefully copied those expressions into my orchestral piece, the arco and pizz indications now work (yea!) but the mute and open do not. Even the expressions that sometimes worked before now work less often. Same GPO patches in both files! I can switch them manually in the Aria Player, but, well, that misses the point entirely. Very strange. Raymond Horton Ray Horton wrote: Thanks for quick reply, David. I thought I had read that any use of the word mute or whatever would work. If I read that, the answer, I suppose, is sometimes. I just tried some tests using the expressions supplied, and they do work, even though there is no playback effect ascribed to them. Now my only problem is the lack of a KS bass trombone (or tuba) patch in GPO4. I'll use a workaround. Thanks! RBH dhbailey wrote: Ray Horton wrote: Dear list, I am using WinFin 2110a and GPO4. I am working on a full orchestra score, including all horns, trumpets, trombones and strings loaded with KS (keyswitched) patches. Am I correct in that all I need to do, when using the KS patches, to change between mute and open for the brass, or arco and pizz for the strings, is put the correct term on the staff, ahead of the entrance? Sometimes this works, sometimes it does not. I can have arco placed in the identical position on all the string staves and three of them will switch and two won't. On a single switch in a single stave on some playbacks that stave will switch, then on the next playback it will not. What am I doing wrong? Also, will Garritan Jazz and Gariitan Marching Band not work with the Aria Player - is it necessary to use the Kontact Player with them? Regarding the Jazz and Marching Band question, I believe you have to wait for an updated version to come out which will work with the Aria Player. With regards to the mute and open and arco and pizz question -- make sure you're using the specific entries marked for use with GPO, since they've got the keyswitch data programmed into them. If you're using the plain expressions for those, or creating your own, you won't get the results you want. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale GPO
You are having the same problem I was having when I installed Fin2K7 on my Mac; I still had installed (and was still using) Fin 2k6, and something in the installation of 2K7 screwed with the registration for each app, because whichever version I used last seemed to be overwriting the registration for the other. Each time I launched, I would get the prompt to register, and each time I would register, and then launch the other version, I would get the prompt again. This went on for weeks, (along with other GPO JABB glitches, freezes, crashes, non-access to the full versions of the Garritan libraries) even though I was in daily communications with MM to solve the issues. I finally resolved my problems with 2K7 by not using it at all. I'm still running 2K6 successfully with almost no problems (using GPO and JABB, full versions). The few documents I created with 2K7, I printed out and re-entered in 2K6. Not a pretty or acceptable solution, but I have been able to keep working while I watch this FInale list and see all the anomolies others are reporting about 2K7 and 2K8. Hello all, Ok. This has been frustrating me for weeks now, and I decided to try and get to the bottom of it. I have Finale 2007b (Win) and every time I boot the program I get a message telling me that my trial period is finished and I need to register using the app in application folder. The title bar for this dialog box is Finale GPO. I have searched the Makemusic site, and the only answer I can find is to download a new Kontakt player that doesn't need this registration (It is originally for 2006). I have downloaded same, but to no effect. The complicating fact is that I own GPO (Full), Big Band (Full) _and_ the Strad package. I can't get these to work well together at all with the Kontakt 2.0 update, but that may be a problem for later. What I want is to get my Finale GPO sounds back (Finale is used for scoring, Nuendo is for making with the pretty sounds!). Has anyone had a similar problem, or can hint at a solution? Thanks very much Bruce Petherick ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale GPO
Hello all, Ok. This has been frustrating me for weeks now, and I decided to try and get to the bottom of it. I have Finale 2007b (Win) and every time I boot the program I get a message telling me that my trial period is finished and I need to register using the app in application folder. The title bar for this dialog box is Finale GPO. I have searched the Makemusic site, and the only answer I can find is to download a new Kontakt player that doesn't need this registration (It is originally for 2006). I have downloaded same, but to no effect. The complicating fact is that I own GPO (Full), Big Band (Full) _and_ the Strad package. I can't get these to work well together at all with the Kontakt 2.0 update, but that may be a problem for later. What I want is to get my Finale GPO sounds back (Finale is used for scoring, Nuendo is for making with the pretty sounds!). Has anyone had a similar problem, or can hint at a solution? Thanks very much Bruce Petherick ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO KP1 and GPO KP2 CO-EXISTING
Friends... The link below offers instructions as to how to get GPO KP1 and GPO KP2 to play nicely together, at least on PC: (I am not a Mac user, so I have no firsthand experience there) http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55677 Jim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Fin07 and Finale GPO registration
Hi all, For the past year or so, I've had both Fin06 and Fin07 installed on my Windows system. Yesterday, I uninstalled Fin06. Now when I start Fin07, I get the message: Finale GPO. Your serial number is not correct. Please run the Registration Tool to enter the correct serial number for Finale GPO. The only registration tool I see is the NI Service Center that came with Fin07, and when I run that Finale GPO 2.0 and Kontakt Player 2 are properly registered. It doesn't say anything about Finale GPO. (I assume the error message is referring to the Fin GPO which originally came with Fin06 and was included with Fin07 for compatibility.) I tried downloading the Finale GPO update from NI, but that didn't help. Anyone know what's going on? Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO playback - what is wrong?
On 6/15/07, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When using GPO playback sometimes there will be a measure where the playback speeds up momentarily. Sometimes there is a skip with static and pop noise. And most of the time when playback stops there is static and an echo/delay (not reverb) where the last few notes that were played are repeated with static pop noise. There is also a speedup of the first few notes of playback. I've tried toggling match on/off but no improvement. I've also noticed that if I use the mouse to manually play a GPO instrument using the virtual on-screen keyboard GPO NI Virtual Instruments bank editor window it does pretty much the same thing. There is a delay from when a key is pressed until the sound is played, there are static noises and repeats of the notes. It seems like some sort of latency issue but I really don't know. Can someone enlighten? System Specs: Finale 2006c Windows XP SP2 P4 2.4 1G RAM M-Audio 2496 I got that also in Fin2006. I don't know what caused it, but turning off GPO playback cured it. :-) It's gone in Finale2007, if that's any consolation. (probably not) Thanks. Actually it is consoling to know that it isn't just something simple I've overlooked. :-) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO playback - what is wrong?
When using GPO playback sometimes there will be a measure where the playback speeds up momentarily. Sometimes there is a skip with static and pop noise. And most of the time when playback stops there is static and an echo/delay (not reverb) where the last few notes that were played are repeated with static pop noise. There is also a speedup of the first few notes of playback. I've tried toggling match on/off but no improvement. I've also noticed that if I use the mouse to manually play a GPO instrument using the virtual on-screen keyboard GPO NI Virtual Instruments bank editor window it does pretty much the same thing. There is a delay from when a key is pressed until the sound is played, there are static noises and repeats of the notes. It seems like some sort of latency issue but I really don't know. Can someone enlighten? System Specs: Finale 2006c Windows XP SP2 P4 2.4 1G RAM M-Audio 2496 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO playback - what is wrong?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When using GPO playback sometimes there will be a measure where the playback speeds up momentarily. Sometimes there is a skip with static and pop noise. And most of the time when playback stops there is static and an echo/delay (not reverb) where the last few notes that were played are repeated with static pop noise. There is also a speedup of the first few notes of playback. I've tried toggling match on/off but no improvement. I've also noticed that if I use the mouse to manually play a GPO instrument using the virtual on-screen keyboard GPO NI Virtual Instruments bank editor window it does pretty much the same thing. There is a delay from when a key is pressed until the sound is played, there are static noises and repeats of the notes. It seems like some sort of latency issue but I really don't know. Can someone enlighten? System Specs: Finale 2006c Windows XP SP2 P4 2.4 1G RAM M-Audio 2496 I got that also in Fin2006. I don't know what caused it, but turning off GPO playback cured it. :-) It's gone in Finale2007, if that's any consolation. (probably not) Your machine and mine are just about matched except that my processor is slower (1.8GHZ) and I'm playing back through a Soundblaster Audigy card, so it's not your soundcard, it's definitely a Finale/GPO thing and I'll bet it has to do with RAM and processor speed. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO Keyswitching Using Multiple Layers
Hello all, I'm using FinMac07c and full GPO. I have a score with two cellos on one staff with Cello 1 in Layer 1 and Cello 2 in Layer 2 with each layer assigned to a different Finale channel (20 and 21) in the Kontakt player and I am using Keyswitched cellos. I want both cellos to play pizzicato so I have pizz. text expression on the staff. When I play the score, the Layer 1 cello switches to pizz. but the Layer 2 cello remains arco. I looked at the GPOHP Tutorial Supplement and didn't see anything that addresses this. How do I get both layers to perform the keyswitch? **Leigh ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Keyswitching Using Multiple Layers
Leigh Daniels wrote: Hello all, I'm using FinMac07c and full GPO. I have a score with two cellos on one staff with Cello 1 in Layer 1 and Cello 2 in Layer 2 with each layer assigned to a different Finale channel (20 and 21) in the Kontakt player and I am using Keyswitched cellos. I want both cellos to play pizzicato so I have pizz. text expression on the staff. When I play the score, the Layer 1 cello switches to pizz. but the Layer 2 cello remains arco. I looked at the GPOHP Tutorial Supplement and didn't see anything that addresses this. How do I get both layers to perform the keyswitch? You may need to switch to layer 2 and place a second Pizz marking. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Keyswitching Using Multiple Layers
At 11:22 AM 6/6/2007, dhbailey wrote: Leigh Daniels wrote: I want both cellos to play pizzicato so I have pizz. text expression on the staff. When I play the score, the Layer 1 cello switches to pizz. but the Layer 2 cello remains arco. You may need to switch to layer 2 and place a second Pizz marking. Yes, and you can format the second expression with hidden text so it doesn't actually print twice in the score. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO JABB NI SERVICE CENTER
I'm sure I've been very culpable in all of this; however, NI has some very serious problems with their service center. It is NI's licensing mechanism that seems the buggy item. Also, there is a new, serial-numbered installation that will put GPO and JABB into the KONTAKT2 player. I suggest that everyone treat this upgrade with particular care. Between them (one each for GPO and JABB) and the Service Center there seems to be the recipe for major screwups and loss of your access to your expensive VSTs. Also, the latest patch for KONTAKT2 (full version) may have implications that might throw you into the maw known as tech support. Just trying to prepare some of you for future fun;-) Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] GPO JABB NI SERVICE CENTER
Also, there is a new, serial-numbered installation that will put GPO and JABB into the KONTAKT2 player. I suggest that everyone treat this upgrade with particular care. Between them (one each for GPO and JABB) and the Service Center there seems to be the recipe for major screwups and loss of your access to your expensive VSTs. Also, the latest patch for KONTAKT2 (full version) may have implications that might throw you into the maw known as tech support. === Henry, Could you please be a bit more specific as to the nature of the problems? I have gone through all of this flawlessly and am functional with all my software including Finale. Perhaps I can shed some light on the issues you're having if we can get a fuller explanation. Thanx...Jim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO users
Robert, Seriously, for now you should really just use GPO Finale Edition for now (which is what MM is touting on their website). GPO Full for K2 is experts-only at this point and it is extremely buggy and does not work well with Human Playback. Even the installation process is laborious and time-consuming, and you most likely won't be happy with the results anyway. Or *are* you using GPO Finale Edition? It's hard to tell from your message. You have to understand the difference between the two proucts -- GPO Finale Edition comes with Finale. GPO Finale Edition does not have the same problems as GPO Full. Provided you have downloaded and installed all the appropriate updates from MakeMusic, you should be able to use the Setup Wizard to add GPO instruments. If you can't do that, then I can't help you -- you need to consult MM tech support. You might also take a look at the file GPOHP Tutorial Supplement.pdf found in your User Manual folder. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Apr 2007, at 7:22 PM, Robert Lingnau wrote: Dear Darcy, I followed the discussion about using Finale 2007 with Kontakt Player 2 and the Garritan-Edition that ships with Finale for Mac. At that time, I didn't own Finale - I just received it today. I have an Intel Macbook, Finale 2007c and downloaded the newest version of Kontakt Player 2 (Universal Binary) from their website... Desperately seeking for a solution on how to get that stuff up and running, I found your response to an email on the Finale-list that dates back March, 31st: - Getting the K2 Player to find and recognize the updated library is a chore. When I try to load patches / a library into Kontakt Player 2 by pushing load, I just can't find one! :-( Where do I actually have to search for _what_ sort of file(s)? Something that I need to install additionally? I tried every single folder searching for the library / an instrument to load, but unfortunately to no avail. It's strange that MakeMusik happily announces Kontakt Player 2 and the Garritan Edition for Finale, but they won't tell you how to actually imply that. Or am I just stupid? :-) I've been seeking the net and forums for help for hours, but I just couldn't seem to find a solution. Maybe you could help me? That would be great... Regards from Berlin, Germany, Robert Lingnau ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO users
Hello list, hello Darcy, I contacted Darcy off-list, but I'm glad he posted my mail here. While trying to find a solution to get the GPO Finale Edition up and running with Kontakt Player 2 on an Intel Mac, I've read posts from users having similar problems I had. Double-clicking CD 1 of the Finale 2007 package shows two installers: One named start here (which I guess I clicked) and an Installation Wizard. At some point during the installation process I chose easy setup to install everything there is. I was quite sure the installation was successful and complete, but there was no GPO Finale Edition available within Finale. The installer didn't prompt for the second disc that comes with the package when I ran the installation, but CD 2 actually contains a GPO library-file: Finale_GPO_Lib2.nks. CD 1 back into my drive, I noticed a folder named GPO. Promising! I ran the installer in that folder, it prompted me to switch to disc 2, et voilà, finally the GPO-Instruments are available in the Setup Wizard. Easy thing, looong story. Good luck to all Apple-Intel-NI-Garritan-Users! Regards from Berlin, Germany, Robert 2007/4/11, Darcy James Argue wrote: Robert, Seriously, for now you should really just use GPO Finale Edition for now (which is what MM is touting on their website). GPO Full for K2 is experts-only at this point and it is extremely buggy and does not work well with Human Playback. Even the installation process is laborious and time-consuming, and you most likely won't be happy with the results anyway. Or *are* you using GPO Finale Edition? It's hard to tell from your message. You have to understand the difference between the two proucts -- GPO Finale Edition comes with Finale. GPO Finale Edition does not have the same problems as GPO Full. Provided you have downloaded and installed all the appropriate updates from MakeMusic, you should be able to use the Setup Wizard to add GPO instruments. If you can't do that, then I can't help you -- you need to consult MM tech support. You might also take a look at the file GPOHP Tutorial Supplement.pdf found in your User Manual folder. Cheers, - Darcy ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO users
Hi Robert, Remember to download all the latest Finale 2007 and GPO-related updates from the MakeMusic website if you want to be able to use the the GPO instruments natively. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Apr 2007, at 9:33 PM, Robert Lingnau wrote: Hello list, hello Darcy, I contacted Darcy off-list, but I'm glad he posted my mail here. While trying to find a solution to get the GPO Finale Edition up and running with Kontakt Player 2 on an Intel Mac, I've read posts from users having similar problems I had. Double-clicking CD 1 of the Finale 2007 package shows two installers: One named start here (which I guess I clicked) and an Installation Wizard. At some point during the installation process I chose easy setup to install everything there is. I was quite sure the installation was successful and complete, but there was no GPO Finale Edition available within Finale. The installer didn't prompt for the second disc that comes with the package when I ran the installation, but CD 2 actually contains a GPO library-file: Finale_GPO_Lib2.nks. CD 1 back into my drive, I noticed a folder named GPO. Promising! I ran the installer in that folder, it prompted me to switch to disc 2, et voilà, finally the GPO-Instruments are available in the Setup Wizard. Easy thing, looong story. Good luck to all Apple-Intel-NI-Garritan-Users! Regards from Berlin, Germany, Robert 2007/4/11, Darcy James Argue wrote: Robert, Seriously, for now you should really just use GPO Finale Edition for now (which is what MM is touting on their website). GPO Full for K2 is experts-only at this point and it is extremely buggy and does not work well with Human Playback. Even the installation process is laborious and time-consuming, and you most likely won't be happy with the results anyway. Or *are* you using GPO Finale Edition? It's hard to tell from your message. You have to understand the difference between the two proucts -- GPO Finale Edition comes with Finale. GPO Finale Edition does not have the same problems as GPO Full. Provided you have downloaded and installed all the appropriate updates from MakeMusic, you should be able to use the Setup Wizard to add GPO instruments. If you can't do that, then I can't help you -- you need to consult MM tech support. You might also take a look at the file GPOHP Tutorial Supplement.pdf found in your User Manual folder. Cheers, - Darcy ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO users
Hello, For those of you who use Macintosh and the full GPO, and have been waiting for the Kontakt 2 player: Native instruments earlier this week posted the GPO Kontakt 2 player for download from their site . It isn't on the Garritan site yet, and I have read that Gary Garritan is giving it a full test this weekend. The file on the NI site is called: Garritan Personal Orchestra Kontakt Player 2.2.1 Mac OS X Update Has anyone downloaded it? If so, is it working well? Or should we wait a few more days for Garritan's indication that we are good to go? David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] GPO users
PLEASE WAIT! It was released prematurely by NI without Garritan's knowledge or approval! Please wait for Gary's word. There are some Finale issues in the way KP2 and HP interact, as well as some more general issues, including an installer that evidently does not place the .DLL files in the proper location (not sure what the Mac equivalent of a .DLL is) . I don't know if Robert Piechaud was aware of the release, either. Since I am a PC user, I'm not qualified to comment on the Mac-specific issues, but they keep cussing about no universal binary or some such. Unfortunately, there are many players in this game: NI, MakeMusic, Garritan, Robert P., Apple, etc. As far as I can determine, NI simply released the player when it felt like it. ;-( Jim From: David Froom Sent: Sat 31-Mar-07 9:38 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] GPO users Hello, For those of you who use Macintosh and the full GPO, and have been waiting for the Kontakt 2 player: Native instruments earlier this week posted the GPO Kontakt 2 player for download from their site . It isn't on the Garritan site yet, and I have read that Gary Garritan is giving it a full test this weekend. The file on the NI site is called: Garritan Personal Orchestra Kontakt Player 2.2.1 Mac OS X Update Has anyone downloaded it? If so, is it working well? Or should we wait a few more days for Garritan's indication that we are good to go? David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO users
Hey David, It's definitely something of a public beta. If you're desperate for Intel compatibility (as I was), then go ahead and grab it. But be warned: - Almost all of the Garritan-specific Human Playback features are broken (keyswitches, slurs, dynamics, controllers, etc). HP will need to be updated to work with the new version. - Getting the K2 Player to find and recognize the updated library is a chore. - It doesn't work with the Setup Wizard. It *looks* like it will work, but when the document is created, Finale reports an error loading the instruments and you have to load each one manually. On the plus side, many longstanding bugs are fixed (bass clarinet range, bass trombone range, notation solo trumpet, etc) and it works great on Intel hardware. This will be a great release once all the bugs are worked out. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 31 Mar 2007, at 9:38 AM, David Froom wrote: Hello, For those of you who use Macintosh and the full GPO, and have been waiting for the Kontakt 2 player: Native instruments earlier this week posted the GPO Kontakt 2 player for download from their site . It isn't on the Garritan site yet, and I have read that Gary Garritan is giving it a full test this weekend. The file on the NI site is called: Garritan Personal Orchestra Kontakt Player 2.2.1 Mac OS X Update Has anyone downloaded it? If so, is it working well? Or should we wait a few more days for Garritan's indication that we are good to go? David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO users
Jim Williamson / 2007/03/31 / 11:46 AM wrote: Do you know if Kontakt 2 download (when it's finally available) will work with JABB? I don't know what you mean by this. JaBB has been working fine with my Kontakt 2.2.1. What is Kontakt 2 download? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] GPO users
Jim: Right now, reports are that JABB does not work with the K2 PLAYER. The full K2 is fine. As to other products, the unfortunate reality is that the current problems with NI have pushed back a lot of things in the pipeline. The other unfortunate reality is that while the fault is NI's, Garritan has taken the brunt of the criticism. I would suggest to ALL parties concerned with these issues that they contact Native Instruments, who are at the root of the current issues. The other Jim From: Jim Williamson Sent: Sat 31-Mar-07 11:46 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO users Do you know if Kontakt 2 download (when it's finally available) will work with JABB? Also, do you happen to know when the Marching library will be available? I've been waiting on that one for 2 years. Jim Williamson - Original Message - From: Williams, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: RE: [Finale] GPO users PLEASE WAIT! It was released prematurely by NI without Garritan's knowledge or approval! Please wait for Gary's word. There are some Finale issues in the way KP2 and HP interact, as well as some more general issues, including an installer that evidently does not place the .DLL files in the proper location (not sure what the Mac equivalent of a .DLL is) . I don't know if Robert Piechaud was aware of the release, either. Since I am a PC user, I'm not qualified to comment on the Mac-specific issues, but they keep cussing about no universal binary or some such. Unfortunately, there are many players in this game: NI, MakeMusic, Garritan, Robert P., Apple, etc. As far as I can determine, NI simply released the player when it felt like it. ;-( Jim From: David Froom Sent: Sat 31-Mar-07 9:38 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] GPO users Hello, For those of you who use Macintosh and the full GPO, and have been waiting for the Kontakt 2 player: Native instruments earlier this week posted the GPO Kontakt 2 player for download from their site . It isn't on the Garritan site yet, and I have read that Gary Garritan is giving it a full test this weekend. The file on the NI site is called: Garritan Personal Orchestra Kontakt Player 2.2.1 Mac OS X Update Has anyone downloaded it? If so, is it working well? Or should we wait a few more days for Garritan's indication that we are good to go? David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale GPO instrument ranges
Hi all, I ran a score through the Finale GPO for the first time. The results are okay, but unlike the Finale softsynth, the GPO simply drops out when it thinks it's out of range and doesn't render the sample at all (even awkwardly, which is okay for my demos -- better a wrong color than no note). Searching through the manual for how to extend the instrumental range didn't help. It sure sounds strange when those high violins just disappear! Maybe I missed it. Can the ranges be extended? (I'm using GPO because something is up with the normal softsynth playback. Pulling the Midi output into Sonar, I see that two dynamics are being superimposed, mine and something not notated in the score, resulting in stuttering or silent notes. I got rid of any possible residual Midi info, eliminated all expressions, etc. It only affects two staves, and isn't there when using a swing value. Strange.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale GPO instrument ranges
Hey Dennis, The Garritan Instrument ranges cannot be extended in the player, though you can get around that by using the pitchwheel. (FinGPO notes can be shifted up/down 12 semintones w/pitchwheel.) Or, if you acquire the full version of Kontakt, you can edit the range yourself. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 12 Mar 2007, at 1:42 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Hi all, I ran a score through the Finale GPO for the first time. The results are okay, but unlike the Finale softsynth, the GPO simply drops out when it thinks it's out of range and doesn't render the sample at all (even awkwardly, which is okay for my demos -- better a wrong color than no note). Searching through the manual for how to extend the instrumental range didn't help. It sure sounds strange when those high violins just disappear! Maybe I missed it. Can the ranges be extended? (I'm using GPO because something is up with the normal softsynth playback. Pulling the Midi output into Sonar, I see that two dynamics are being superimposed, mine and something not notated in the score, resulting in stuttering or silent notes. I got rid of any possible residual Midi info, eliminated all expressions, etc. It only affects two staves, and isn't there when using a swing value. Strange.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale GPO instrument ranges
In a message dated 12/03/2007 17:43:54 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GPO simply drops out when it thinks it's out of range and doesn't render the sample at all (even awkwardly, which is okay for my demos -- better a wrong color than no note). If I remember rightly, the horn sample stops at our written top c - there are lots of pieces that go above that. The trumpet range is better, but still limited, especially for baroque music. If anyone knows a way to extend the ranges on GPO, please let me know. Thanks, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale GPO instrument ranges
As long as we're on the subject of the FinGPO pitchwheel, what number of pitchbend units per semitone does FinGPO use? When I have tried to import midi files with per note pitchbends, FinGPO renders them very oddly. Daniel Wolf Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey Dennis, The Garritan Instrument ranges cannot be extended in the player, though you can get around that by using the pitchwheel. (FinGPO notes can be shifted up/down 12 semintones w/pitchwheel.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale GPO instrument ranges
Hi Daniel, Imported MIDI files are probably assuming a max pitchbend range of 2 semitones, whereas the FinGPO instruments have a max range of 12 semitones. You just need to take the number for the max range and divide by twelve to get semitones. Check the Finale manual on pitchbend for more info. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 12 Mar 2007, at 2:47 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote: As long as we're on the subject of the FinGPO pitchwheel, what number of pitchbend units per semitone does FinGPO use? When I have tried to import midi files with per note pitchbends, FinGPO renders them very oddly. Daniel Wolf Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey Dennis, The Garritan Instrument ranges cannot be extended in the player, though you can get around that by using the pitchwheel. (FinGPO notes can be shifted up/down 12 semintones w/pitchwheel.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale GPO instrument ranges
Hi -- Thanks. Now I'll be curious to hear if a reduction of 1/6 in accuracy is audible! D. Darcy James Argue wrote: Imported MIDI files are probably assuming a max pitchbend range of 2 semitones, whereas the FinGPO instruments have a max range of 12 semitones. You just need to take the number for the max range and divide by twelve to get semitones. Check the Finale manual on pitchbend for more info. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Velocity does affect the attack on sustaining instruments -- it does make the sound louder --- try it you'll hear. Jerry On 4-Jan-07, at 8:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Use the mixer, and turn on Human Playback when working with GPO instruments. Velocity does not affect the volume of sustaining instruments in GPO. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 04 Jan 2007, at 12:18 AM, MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Gerald Berg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
I think he meant to say velocity can't make a sustained note get any louder once it has started, like a crescendo. There ARE many expressions that change the attack velocity - if you have duplicated one of these expressions to edit and use in another situation, you might have inadvertently assigned a playback value that you didn't want. I did this once with an Adagio that I edited to be Cup Mute, and couldn't understand why my score slowed down every time it got to bar 53. Check your expressions, and use the mixer for your major balance issues, as Darcy suggested. This is one of the things that everyone thinks should be a gimme, but balance is a very delicate matter and you can't expect the machines to do it properly without tweaking. Major orchestras that have played together for years still need tweaking, so we have to adjust our expectations for Finale GPO. Right out of the box, the horns are way too loud and the trumpets are way too soft, the flutes are way too loud... I could go on for a while... Christopher On Jan 5, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: Velocity does affect the attack on sustaining instruments -- it does make the sound louder --- try it you'll hear. Jerry On 4-Jan-07, at 8:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Use the mixer, and turn on Human Playback when working with GPO instruments. Velocity does not affect the volume of sustaining instruments in GPO. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
I find it impossible to get the balance I want this way. If there is a further secret on this path i would surely like to know it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 9:01 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Again, you should NOT use any custom-programmed mod-wheel expressions with GPO, hidden or otherwise. Use Human Playback, with regular (not customized for playback) dynamic expressions. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 04 Jan 2007, at 9:34 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I find that increasing volume and modulation helps balance this problem out -- I usually hide the mod expressions. An mp mod, exp. should do it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 6:46 AM, dhbailey wrote: MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn Is this for all works or just one specific piece? If it's just one specific piece, you might check your Expressions, and see if any have been defined for playback. I frequently duplicate expressions and edit them into new expressions, finding that easier for maintaining font family and size for uniform appearance, and occasionally forget to check if playback has been defined. Perhaps that's what you've done. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Gerry, Velocity only affects the amount of accent. If you have a velocity of 127 and a CC#68 value of 1, the sound will still be extremely soft. Manually increasing the velocity in Finale won't correct balance issues for GPO sustaining instruments -- it will just make the notes more accented. Again, the proper way to correct balance issues is to use the mixer. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 9:54 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: Velocity does affect the attack on sustaining instruments -- it does make the sound louder --- try it you'll hear. Jerry On 4-Jan-07, at 8:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Use the mixer, and turn on Human Playback when working with GPO instruments. Velocity does not affect the volume of sustaining instruments in GPO. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 04 Jan 2007, at 12:18 AM, MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Gerald Berg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Jerry, Read my tutorial, especially the section on creating hidden expressions that adjust mixer volume on the fly. If you disable Human Playback entirely, you will never get good results with GPO unless you are willing to do a staggering amount of hand-tweaking. It's far better to customize your Human Playback settings to get the results you want. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 9:59 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I find it impossible to get the balance I want this way. If there is a further secret on this path i would surely like to know it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 9:01 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Again, you should NOT use any custom-programmed mod-wheel expressions with GPO, hidden or otherwise. Use Human Playback, with regular (not customized for playback) dynamic expressions. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Could you give me the link to that Darcy? I am still on FINMAC 2005 -- I bought 2006 but didn't like it much and so far have skipped 2007. Thank you Jerry On 5-Jan-07, at 10:25 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Jerry, Read my tutorial, especially the section on creating hidden expressions that adjust mixer volume on the fly. If you disable Human Playback entirely, you will never get good results with GPO unless you are willing to do a staggering amount of hand-tweaking. It's far better to customize your Human Playback settings to get the results you want. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 9:59 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I find it impossible to get the balance I want this way. If there is a further secret on this path i would surely like to know it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 9:01 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Again, you should NOT use any custom-programmed mod-wheel expressions with GPO, hidden or otherwise. Use Human Playback, with regular (not customized for playback) dynamic expressions. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
It's in the User Manual folder once you install the Fin2006b update. GPO support in Human Playback is very limited in Fin2005. I have no idea what you don't like about Finale 2005, but if GPO playback is important to you, you are far, far, far better off in Fin2006. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 10:37 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: Could you give me the link to that Darcy? I am still on FINMAC 2005 -- I bought 2006 but didn't like it much and so far have skipped 2007. Thank you Jerry On 5-Jan-07, at 10:25 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Jerry, Read my tutorial, especially the section on creating hidden expressions that adjust mixer volume on the fly. If you disable Human Playback entirely, you will never get good results with GPO unless you are willing to do a staggering amount of hand-tweaking. It's far better to customize your Human Playback settings to get the results you want. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 9:59 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I find it impossible to get the balance I want this way. If there is a further secret on this path i would surely like to know it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 9:01 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Again, you should NOT use any custom-programmed mod-wheel expressions with GPO, hidden or otherwise. Use Human Playback, with regular (not customized for playback) dynamic expressions. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Thanks Darcy Re 2006 -- I could not get it to sound right. The balance was off! :) Jerry On 5-Jan-07, at 10:47 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's in the User Manual folder once you install the Fin2006b update. GPO support in Human Playback is very limited in Fin2005. I have no idea what you don't like about Finale 2005, but if GPO playback is important to you, you are far, far, far better off in Fin2006. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 10:37 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: Could you give me the link to that Darcy? I am still on FINMAC 2005 -- I bought 2006 but didn't like it much and so far have skipped 2007. Thank you Jerry On 5-Jan-07, at 10:25 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Jerry, Read my tutorial, especially the section on creating hidden expressions that adjust mixer volume on the fly. If you disable Human Playback entirely, you will never get good results with GPO unless you are willing to do a staggering amount of hand-tweaking. It's far better to customize your Human Playback settings to get the results you want. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 9:59 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I find it impossible to get the balance I want this way. If there is a further secret on this path i would surely like to know it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 9:01 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Again, you should NOT use any custom-programmed mod-wheel expressions with GPO, hidden or otherwise. Use Human Playback, with regular (not customized for playback) dynamic expressions. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
On 05 Jan 2007, at 10:47 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's in the User Manual folder once you install the Fin2006b update. GPO support in Human Playback is very limited in Fin2005. I have no idea what you don't like about Finale 2005 2006, I mean. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn Is this for all works or just one specific piece? If it's just one specific piece, you might check your Expressions, and see if any have been defined for playback. I frequently duplicate expressions and edit them into new expressions, finding that easier for maintaining font family and size for uniform appearance, and occasionally forget to check if playback has been defined. Perhaps that's what you've done. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
I find that increasing volume and modulation helps balance this problem out -- I usually hide the mod expressions. An mp mod, exp. should do it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 6:46 AM, dhbailey wrote: MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn Is this for all works or just one specific piece? If it's just one specific piece, you might check your Expressions, and see if any have been defined for playback. I frequently duplicate expressions and edit them into new expressions, finding that easier for maintaining font family and size for uniform appearance, and occasionally forget to check if playback has been defined. Perhaps that's what you've done. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Use the mixer, and turn on Human Playback when working with GPO instruments. Velocity does not affect the volume of sustaining instruments in GPO. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 04 Jan 2007, at 12:18 AM, MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Again, you should NOT use any custom-programmed mod-wheel expressions with GPO, hidden or otherwise. Use Human Playback, with regular (not customized for playback) dynamic expressions. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 04 Jan 2007, at 9:34 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I find that increasing volume and modulation helps balance this problem out -- I usually hide the mod expressions. An mp mod, exp. should do it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 6:46 AM, dhbailey wrote: MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn Is this for all works or just one specific piece? If it's just one specific piece, you might check your Expressions, and see if any have been defined for playback. I frequently duplicate expressions and edit them into new expressions, finding that easier for maintaining font family and size for uniform appearance, and occasionally forget to check if playback has been defined. Perhaps that's what you've done. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO upgrade
http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49704page=7 I think all the products have reached 200 buyers now. Looking forward to the Stradivari violin. Will Denayer wrote: I haven't seen this mentioned, but Garritan is having a group buy this year. Great way to get the full version of GPO, Jazz Band, and/or the Strat Violin libraries. https://amerifare.cybrhost.com/harps/GroupBuyForm-122006.php I would be interested in buying a full orchestra version of GPO for $139, but we need to find 200 buyers. How can we ever do this, and besides I live in Europe (or almost, in Ireland). Best regards, Will Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO
Are you sure that the slow loading isn't a memory shortage problem? I used GPO on my old computer 512K of memory and had time cook a three course meal whilst orchestral files opened and then had horrendous problems playing them back. My new computer with 1G of RAM displays no such problems - yes, files using GPO open more slowly than those without, but we're talking a couple of seconds, hardly time to take a sip of tea (or a swig of wine if it's a really good night). Cheers, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO
Maybe I would use GPO more if it wouldn't take so long to open the Finale files using it. I want to drink coffee when I want to, not just because I'm waiting until the sounds are loaded. And be honest - they are better than smart sound, but they are not good. I think these GPO sounds are pretty good. I visited their site some weeks ago, because I was considering upgrading to full GPO, and I was really suprised about the quality of their sounds in general terms. There's even a rendering of the Lento of the Rite of Spring on their site, again, I found that pretty impressive. I am using Finale (or am planning to use it) for composition and, personally, I highly value the playback function. I can internally 'hear' all sorts of complex harmonies, but don't ask me to correctly imagine how a bassoon playing in the low register sounds together with a trumpet playing in the low register, a clarinet playing in the low register and a cello; strange as it may sound, this is something I cannot do very well at all, and so the playback helps me to give me a very reasonable idea. With best regards, Will - Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale GPO 2.0 folder
I've finally gotten around to fiddling with GPO in Finale, and it works okay, although the setup was time-consuming. The one problem I'm having is that every time I start Finale, I have to tell Kontakt where the GPO folder is. When I installed, the installer did not suggest a default location, so I put it where I wanted. Now, apparently, Kontakt doesn't see it. Any ideas? I'm running MacFin, and once I've located the folder, it works. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale GPO 2.0 folder
Robert Patterson wrote: I've finally gotten around to fiddling with GPO in Finale, and it works okay, although the setup was time-consuming. The one problem I'm having is that every time I start Finale, I have to tell Kontakt where the GPO folder is. When I installed, the installer did not suggest a default location, so I put it where I wanted. Now, apparently, Kontakt doesn't see it. Any ideas? I'm running MacFin, and once I've located the folder, it works. Wow, when I installed (WinFin) it suggested a default location for FinaleGPO and I let it install it there and everything is fine on startup. I just found where you can adjust that setting. Bring up the screen where you can setup the Kontakt2 player. If the screen is anything like the windows screen, on the left will be a panel which shows Finale GPO 2.0, then the icon for Garritan Personal Orchestra Finale Edition, with 3 buttons just beneath that. Click the INFO button. You then get the Library Info dialog, and if you click on Update, at the bottom of this screen is a place that shows the Library Installation Path: with a CHOOSE button beside that. Click the CHOOSE button and you can tell Kontakt or Finale (or whatever routine is in charge at the moment) where to find the library. On most windows applications I've seen, that CHOOSE button is called BROWSE, but it serves the same function. Hope this helps! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale GPO 2.0 folder
dhbailey wrote: click on Update, at the bottom of this screen is a place that shows the Library Installation Path: with a CHOOSE button beside that. Click the CHOOSE button and you can tell Kontakt or Finale (or whatever routine is in charge at the moment) where to find the library. Yeah, I had already done all that, but it doesn't stick. I have to redo it each time I start Finale. (Actually, the redo is on a different screen that pops up when you start playback.) -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale GPO 2.0 folder
dhbailey wrote: Robert Patterson wrote: I've finally gotten around to fiddling with GPO in Finale, and it works okay, although the setup was time-consuming. The one problem I'm having is that every time I start Finale, I have to tell Kontakt where the GPO folder is. When I installed, the installer did not suggest a default location, so I put it where I wanted. Now, apparently, Kontakt doesn't see it. Any ideas? I'm running MacFin, and once I've located the folder, it works. Wow, when I installed (WinFin) it suggested a default location for FinaleGPO and I let it install it there and everything is fine on startup. I just found where you can adjust that setting. Bring up the screen where you can setup the Kontakt2 player. If the screen is anything like the windows screen, on the left will be a panel which shows Finale GPO 2.0, then the icon for Garritan Personal Orchestra Finale Edition, with 3 buttons just beneath that. Click the INFO button. You then get the Library Info dialog, and if you click on Update, at the bottom of this screen is a place that shows the Library Installation Path: with a CHOOSE button beside that. Click the CHOOSE button and you can tell Kontakt or Finale (or whatever routine is in charge at the moment) where to find the library. On most windows applications I've seen, that CHOOSE button is called BROWSE, but it serves the same function. Hope this helps! Hesitating to reply to my own reply, that Installation Path option is present no matter which tab you click on in the dialog that appears when you click on the Info button. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO and Finale
Hi Raymond, To clarify your comment a little, there is only one actual sampled bass clarinet included in full GPO (Bass Clarinet Solo). The Player instruments -- Bass Clarinet Player 1, Player 2, and Player 3 -- are all what are called derivative instruments, which means they are derived from a subset of the samples used in Bass Clarinet Solo. This is basically an inexpensive way (both in terms of system resources and $$$) of stretching a single set of samples into three instruments that are distinct enough to be used in 3-way unison without phasing. But that explains why the solo instrument and the three derivative instruments all have the same stupid range limitation. I emphatically agree about the absurd Bass Trombone 1 range limitation. There used to be a similar problem with Bassoon 1 vs. Bassoon 2 (Bassoon 1 was incapable of playing the opening of the Rite) -- this was fixed in a GPO update, and I do hope there will eventually be another GPO update that will fix the B.Tbn. and B.Cl. issues as well. My B.Cl. workaround (before I acquired JABB) to get the low Bb on B.Cl. was to use a note in hidden playback-only layer with an appropriate pitchwheel expression, plus another (hidden) expression to reset the pitchwheel afterwards. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 31 Jul 2006, at 11:49 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: This is but one of many range peculularities in GPO. That one is very odd, becaue there are four bass clarinet samples, and all have the same low-range limit. Bass clarinets either stop at low Db or Bb (concert pitch), never B. Perhaps you could load a contrabass clar sample in another layer for a substitute. Right now I am helping my son type out a double bass concerto piano reduction, and I have to switch back and forth from bass to cello samples for notes that exceed the upper range of GPO's solo bass samples, if I want to hear it all. My GPO range fave is still the bass trombones - Solo Bass Trombone 2 is rough sounding, but has one of the widest ranges in the whole set - high C down to double pedal Bb (lower than any of the tuba samples); while Solo Bass Trombone 1 is a quite nice sound that ONLY GOES UP TO G (top space bass clef). Try finding a bass trombone part anywhere with that limit. We are discussing full GPO, right? (Not the reduced Fnale GPO, which doesn't even have a bass trombone.) Raymond Horton David Froom wrote: Hello, Does anyone know why the GPO bass clarinet only goes down to C# (sounding B)? I thought any bass clarinet with a low-note extension would go down to C (sounding Bb). David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO and Finale
Hi Darcy, Excellent solution. Thanks for the info. Rather than buy JABB (and parhaps even Garritan Marchng Band) for some of the instruments, I keep waiting for the Advanced GPO, whhich I hope will include improvements from both. Anyone know anything about Advanced GPO? Raymond Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Raymond, To clarify your comment a little, there is only one actual sampled bass clarinet included in full GPO (Bass Clarinet Solo). The Player instruments -- Bass Clarinet Player 1, Player 2, and Player 3 -- are all what are called derivative instruments, which means they are derived from a subset of the samples used in Bass Clarinet Solo. This is basically an inexpensive way (both in terms of system resources and $$$) of stretching a single set of samples into three instruments that are distinct enough to be used in 3-way unison without phasing. But that explains why the solo instrument and the three derivative instruments all have the same stupid range limitation. I emphatically agree about the absurd Bass Trombone 1 range limitation. There used to be a similar problem with Bassoon 1 vs. Bassoon 2 (Bassoon 1 was incapable of playing the opening of the Rite) -- this was fixed in a GPO update, and I do hope there will eventually be another GPO update that will fix the B.Tbn. and B.Cl. issues as well. My B.Cl. workaround (before I acquired JABB) to get the low Bb on B.Cl. was to use a note in hidden playback-only layer with an appropriate pitchwheel expression, plus another (hidden) expression to reset the pitchwheel afterwards. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 31 Jul 2006, at 11:49 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: This is but one of many range peculularities in GPO. That one is very odd, becaue there are four bass clarinet samples, and all have the same low-range limit. Bass clarinets either stop at low Db or Bb (concert pitch), never B. Perhaps you could load a contrabass clar sample in another layer for a substitute. Right now I am helping my son type out a double bass concerto piano reduction, and I have to switch back and forth from bass to cello samples for notes that exceed the upper range of GPO's solo bass samples, if I want to hear it all. My GPO range fave is still the bass trombones - Solo Bass Trombone 2 is rough sounding, but has one of the widest ranges in the whole set - high C down to double pedal Bb (lower than any of the tuba samples); while Solo Bass Trombone 1 is a quite nice sound that ONLY GOES UP TO G (top space bass clef). Try finding a bass trombone part anywhere with that limit. We are discussing full GPO, right? (Not the reduced Fnale GPO, which doesn't even have a bass trombone.) Raymond Horton David Froom wrote: Hello, Does anyone know why the GPO bass clarinet only goes down to C# (sounding B)? I thought any bass clarinet with a low-note extension would go down to C (sounding Bb). David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO and Finale
On 8/1/06 1:00 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: Hi Raymond -- and thanks, Darcy, for your response as well. This is but one of many range peculularities in GPO. That one is very odd, becaue there are four bass clarinet samples, and all have the same low-range limit. Bass clarinets either stop at low Db or Bb (concert pitch), never B. Yes, it is odd -- that's why I asked. Perhaps you could load a contrabass clar sample in another layer for a substitute. Right now I am helping my son type out a double bass concerto piano reduction, and I have to switch back and forth from bass to cello samples for notes that exceed the upper range of GPO's solo bass samples, if I want to hear it all. Actually, what I have done is keep Reason around. It has adjustable ranges, a good set of editable sounds, and easy importing of new sounds. I use Reason for this kind of range problem (a number of instruments are missing a professional upper range) -- plus other things, like string harmonics, non-vibrato strings, muted/stopped horns, classical saxophone, voice, etc. We are discussing full GPO, right? (Not the reduced Fnale GPO, which doesn't even have a bass trombone.) Yes, I have full GPO. I didn't get Finale 2006, but will likely get 2007 (avoiding vertical collisions is a big deal, I think, if it works well). So far, using Finale 2005, I prefer doing my sounds in Digital Performer, where I have much more easily accessible control. Maybe with the new balance controls, and, I assume, automatic input of #64 on/off for slurs, I'll be happier with my Finale GPO sound. But it looks like, for the near future, I'll still need to keep Reason around. Thanks for the help. And Raymond, good luck with your new/old boss! The return of Mester! Maybe this will be combined with the return of better times? You guys have really been through a rough patch. David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO and Finale
David Froom wrote: And Raymond, good luck with your new/old boss! The return of Mester! Maybe this will be combined with the return of better times? You guys have really been through a rough patch. David Froom That news certainly traveled fast! It was in local papers this morning, although we knew 10 days ago. From where did you hear it? I was 19 years old and as green as I could be when I started in this group in Mester's third year as MD. Now I'm 53 (he's 71) and he's back. The world is strange sometimes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO and Finale
Dear Ray, Please say hello to George for me. Thanks, Chuck On Aug 1, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: David Froom wrote: And Raymond, good luck with your new/old boss! The return of Mester! Maybe this will be combined with the return of better times? You guys have really been through a rough patch. David Froom That news certainly traveled fast! It was in local papers this morning, although we knew 10 days ago. From where did you hear it? I was 19 years old and as green as I could be when I started in this group in Mester's third year as MD. Now I'm 53 (he's 71) and he's back. The world is strange sometimes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO and Finale
Hello, Does anyone know why the GPO bass clarinet only goes down to C# (sounding B)? I thought any bass clarinet with a low-note extension would go down to C (sounding Bb). David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO and Finale
Hi David, This is a longstanding and very annoying bug with GPO and FinGPO -- please write to Garritan and/or MakeMusic and ask that it be corrected. (This won't be much help to you, but the JABB bass clarinet has the low (sounding) Bb... ) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 31 Jul 2006, at 7:03 PM, David Froom wrote: Hello, Does anyone know why the GPO bass clarinet only goes down to C# (sounding B)? I thought any bass clarinet with a low-note extension would go down to C (sounding Bb). David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO and Finale
This is but one of many range peculularities in GPO. That one is very odd, becaue there are four bass clarinet samples, and all have the same low-range limit. Bass clarinets either stop at low Db or Bb (concert pitch), never B. Perhaps you could load a contrabass clar sample in another layer for a substitute. Right now I am helping my son type out a double bass concerto piano reduction, and I have to switch back and forth from bass to cello samples for notes that exceed the upper range of GPO's solo bass samples, if I want to hear it all. My GPO range fave is still the bass trombones - Solo Bass Trombone 2 is rough sounding, but has one of the widest ranges in the whole set - high C down to double pedal Bb (lower than any of the tuba samples); while Solo Bass Trombone 1 is a quite nice sound that ONLY GOES UP TO G (top space bass clef). Try finding a bass trombone part anywhere with that limit. We are discussing full GPO, right? (Not the reduced Fnale GPO, which doesn't even have a bass trombone.) Raymond Horton David Froom wrote: Hello, Does anyone know why the GPO bass clarinet only goes down to C# (sounding B)? I thought any bass clarinet with a low-note extension would go down to C (sounding Bb). David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO assist link is down
- Original Message - From: Henry E. Howey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:07 PM Subject: [Finale] GPO assist link is down I just went to the GPO website, and it is down. MM may still have it? Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/~music/faculty/howey.html Owner of FINALE Discussion List Maybe this one could be useful http://www.garritan.com/tutorial/Finale_GPO_tut.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO playback
Dear list, I just started to use FinMac 2006b. On playback of an already prepared score, I cannot get more than 1 sound (channel) at a time to play in GPO/Native instruments. I tried loading various patches repeatedly and assigning them to different channels with the same result. Is there some easy to follow supportive reading material I can consult? I'm running a dual processor 2.5 GHz G5 with 1.5 GHz ram. Thanks! Herman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO playback
On Jun 7, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Herman Gersten wrote: Is there some easy to follow supportive reading material I can consult? And if you want the link also... http://www.garritan.com/support/GPOHPiTutorialSupplement.pdf Dick H Olympia, Wa ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO playback
On Jun 7, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Herman Gersten wrote: Is there some easy to follow supportive reading material I can consult? Darcy's tutorial is pretty good: ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO playback
Thank you, Dick. On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Dick Hauser wrote: On Jun 7, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Herman Gersten wrote: Is there some easy to follow supportive reading material I can consult? And if you want the link also... http://www.garritan.com/support/GPOHPiTutorialSupplement.pdf Dick H Olympia, Wa ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO playback
-Messaggio Originale- Da: Dick Hauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: finale@shsu.edu Data invio: mercoledì 7 giugno 2006 18.01 Oggetto: Re: [Finale] GPO playback On Jun 7, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Herman Gersten wrote: Is there some easy to follow supportive reading material I can consult? And if you want the link also... http://www.garritan.com/support/GPOHPiTutorialSupplement.pdf Dick H Olympia, Wa It seems the site is not working now (18.30 European time) what about other places in the world? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO playback
I think your problem has to do with the automatic panning in Finale. There is a way to turn it off (I can't recall) but perhaps someone else has the solution at hand. Jerry Gerald Berg On 7-Jun-06, at 11:24 AM, Herman Gersten wrote: Dear list, I just started to use FinMac 2006b. On playback of an already prepared score, I cannot get more than 1 sound (channel) at a time to play in GPO/Native instruments. I tried loading various patches repeatedly and assigning them to different channels with the same result. Is there some easy to follow supportive reading material I can consult? I'm running a dual processor 2.5 GHz G5 with 1.5 GHz ram. Thanks! Herman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO playback
Thanks Gerald, Darcy's clearly written handbook has been very helpful. The problem was because of my faulty understanding of the channel assignments. Herman On Jun 7, 2006, at 1:46 PM, Gerald Berg wrote: I think your problem has to do with the automatic panning in Finale. There is a way to turn it off (I can't recall) but perhaps someone else has the solution at hand. Jerry Gerald Berg On 7-Jun-06, at 11:24 AM, Herman Gersten wrote: Dear list, I just started to use FinMac 2006b. On playback of an already prepared score, I cannot get more than 1 sound (channel) at a time to play in GPO/Native instruments. I tried loading various patches repeatedly and assigning them to different channels with the same result. Is there some easy to follow supportive reading material I can consult? I'm running a dual processor 2.5 GHz G5 with 1.5 GHz ram. Thanks! Herman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO assist link is down
I just went to the GPO website, and it is down. MM may still have it? Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/~music/faculty/howey.html Owner of FINALE Discussion List - Sent from SamMail at Sam Houston State University See How Success Unfolds http://www.shsu.edu/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO and Finale - have had enough!
For the first time I was actually trying to make some good use of GPO in Fin 2k6. I just spent about two hours on trying to get a piece sounding nicely. Within this time Finale crashed badly three times, either while playing back or while I was adjusting something in GPO. For the moment that's it for me with GPO. I simply cannot afford to waste that much time. It takes such a long time to wait for GPO to load, anyway, even if I had just saved before it crashed the lost time would be at least ten minutes total. Plus, a lot of things in GPO are completely unpredictable. Dynamic levels are very badly balanced between instruments. I am trying to get an ensemble of 8 cellos, where each cello sounds about the same volume. GPO offers enough different players, but they are so unbalanced amongst eachother that I spent huge amounts of time just to get the levels right in the mixer (it's like trying to conduct an amateur orchestra!). Once done Finale crashed. I have had it. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO and Finale - have had enough!
I don't blame ya. One thing I discovered is the GPO studio works fine with Fin2006. Doesn't resolve all stupidities but a few of 'em. If I were the God of Finale I'd start looking for a Noah. Corrupt, vile, world of misery that it has turned into. Jerry On 7-Apr-06, at 11:11 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: For the first time I was actually trying to make some good use of GPO in Fin 2k6. I just spent about two hours on trying to get a piece sounding nicely. Within this time Finale crashed badly three times, either while playing back or while I was adjusting something in GPO. For the moment that's it for me with GPO. I simply cannot afford to waste that much time. It takes such a long time to wait for GPO to load, anyway, even if I had just saved before it crashed the lost time would be at least ten minutes total. Plus, a lot of things in GPO are completely unpredictable. Dynamic levels are very badly balanced between instruments. I am trying to get an ensemble of 8 cellos, where each cello sounds about the same volume. GPO offers enough different players, but they are so unbalanced amongst eachother that I spent huge amounts of time just to get the levels right in the mixer (it's like trying to conduct an amateur orchestra!). Once done Finale crashed. I have had it. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Gerald Berg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO and Finale - have had enough!
On 07.04.2006 Cecil Rigby wrote: The help files haven't helped me figure out what's wrong. This was a major reason for my upgrading and I'm sorely disappointed so far. I know there's a reason they let us assign other sf2's- or are there only *specific* sf2s that are allowed? They need to be GM compatible. But I have done that in the past, so I know it works. On the other hand, I have never been able to find a soundfont which sounded good. I have got the full GPO (bought it before Fin2k6) and it sort of works, but I was very disappointed by the quality - nowhere near what I expected after all the praise I read here - and by the hassle it involves. I also think that the GUI of the GPO plugin is terrible. I certainly get mouse-ache after assigning just 4 instruments. Changing any of the parameters is a constant fight with the mouse. (Whoever decided that turnable knobs on a computer screen are a good idea should be prosecuted!) -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO and Finale - have had enough!
Buy more RAM. I took Darcy's advice, bought more, and life with GPO has been much, much easier since. I'm not giving up those sounds. Raymond Horton ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO and Finale - have had enough!
On Apr 7, 2006, at 12:22 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: (Whoever decided that turnable knobs on a computer screen are a good idea should be prosecuted!) I agree with you, but here's something that made my life easier. Think of the knob as a clock. If you move from centre to anywhere between noon and 3 o'clock, the value goes up. Don't try to turn the knob with a rotary motion, just move in a straight line north-east. If you move from centre to anywhere between 6 and 9 o'clock, the value goes down. Move straight south-west. Never mind the late afternoon (3 to 6), nor late night (9 to midnight) areas. The knob could turn opposite to what you want it to, or barely move at all in these areas. It's kind of as if they had mounted a slider at a 45 degrees angle. Stupid, yes, but that's how it works. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
