Re: [Finale] Microtones

2006-12-22 Thread Ken Moore

Kurt Gnos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am very interested in microtonal music. I have not tried this in
finale, even as a user who works with Finale almost twenty years.
If you are sucessfull in Finale, please tell me. I tried quarter
tone music in Cubase, using two Grand vst instruments and tuning
one a quarter tone lower. This works, but I would like to do better,
using quarter tone accidentials. And how about other microtonal
scales, third tones and other? I never found a good solution.


I wrote my Enneakaidekaphonic Variations for two 19-note ET recorders 
by distinguishing
in the notation between the sharps and flats that would be enharmonic 
equivalents in ET12. *
For playback, I put non-printing expressions with pitch bend on each 
note.  It sounds tedious,

but went reasonably quickly with each expression on a metatool.

* C C# Db D D# Eb E E# F F# Gb G G# Ab A A# Bb B B#

If you want to work in ET31, you can add double flats and double sharps 
to give enough
different pitch classes.  I would want automatic application of the 
pitch bend before I tried

that, and can't think how to do it.

--
Ken Moore

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Re: [Finale] Microtones

2006-12-22 Thread Daniel Wolf
It is much easier to use a non-standard key signature. While working in 
Finale, the output can be sent to a synthesizer external to Finale with 
a full-keyboard retuning, either set up on the synth directly or via a 
midi relay tuning program (I use InTun, freeware, in WinXP).  When the 
Finale file is finished, the exported midi file can be processed with 
Scala (also Freeware) so that pitch bends are attached to each note; 
this new midi file can be reimported into Finale, thus skipping the work 
of manually attaching pitch bends.


I have not been able to get Garritan to respond accurately or 
consistantly to pitch bend messages.


I can send working examples of non-standard microtonal key signatures if 
requested.


Daniel Wolf



Ken Moore wrote:
I wrote my Enneakaidekaphonic Variations for two 19-note ET 
recorders by distinguishing
in the notation between the sharps and flats that would be enharmonic 
equivalents in ET12. *
For playback, I put non-printing expressions with pitch bend on each 
note.  It sounds tedious,

but went reasonably quickly with each expression on a metatool.

* C C# Db D D# Eb E E# F F# Gb G G# Ab A A# Bb B B#

If you want to work in ET31, you can add double flats and double 
sharps to give enough
different pitch classes.  I would want automatic application of the 
pitch bend before I tried

that, and can't think how to do it.



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[Finale] Microtones

2006-12-21 Thread Will Denayer

I am very interested in microtonal music. I have not tried this in 
finale, even as a user who works with Finale almost twenty years. If 
you are sucessfull in Finale, please tell me. 

Hi Kurt, 
I am very interested in microtonal music too. For the moment, I do not have a 
clue about how to do this in Finale (I am still a newbie), but I will look into 
it and I will let you know everything I find out.
On the other hand, tuning an instrument lower or higher cannot be too difficult 
(not that I looked into that yet either), perhaps it can be done in studio 
view. I will know more soon. 

For the rest, I finally managed to open the Manual (after three months!). I 
didn't download Adobe 8. I do not know what was wrong with it, or indeed, 
whether it will still open tomorrow. I am a musician, I do not know anything 
about computers. 

Best regards and wishes, Will Denayer



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Re: [Finale] Microtones

2006-12-21 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 07:46 PM 12/21/2006 +, Will Denayer wrote:
I am very interested in microtonal music too.

You and Kurt may want to research the list archives from this year. There
was a very good thread about how to accomplish microtones in Finale,
including playback.

Dennis



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Re: [Finale] Microtones

2006-12-20 Thread Kurt Gnos
I am very interested in microtonal music. I have not tried this in 
finale, even as a user who works with Finale almost twenty years. If 
you are sucessfull in Finale, please tell me. I tried quarter tone 
music in Cubase, using two Grand vst instruments and tuning one a 
quarter tone lower. This works, but I would like to do better, using 
quarter tone accidentials. And how about other microtonal scales, 
third tones and other?

I never found a good solution.

Cheers

Kurt

At 19:19 18.12.2006, you wrote:


the piece i am working on has
massive microtonal glissandi, often arou dthe same pitches, so it
would be (would have been) good for a C-score to better visualize
this.

Just being curious, if you write microtones, does Finale play them back?
Is there a way to 'wrongly' tune an instrument, say a violin which 
has to play the notes as written but 2 comma's lower?

Best regards, Will


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[Finale] Microtones

2006-12-18 Thread Will Denayer

the piece i am working on has 
massive microtonal glissandi, often arou dthe same pitches, so it 
would be (would have been) good for a C-score to better visualize 
this.

Just being curious, if you write microtones, does Finale play them back? 
Is there a way to 'wrongly' tune an instrument, say a violin which has to play 
the notes as written but 2 comma's lower? 
Best regards, Will


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