Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
Hello! Am 30.05.2009 um 01:57 schrieb David W. Fenton: We're well aware of the fact that MM is working towards promoting Simple over Speedy for new users. Add to that the fact that they are careless enough as to not mention it in their page on all the various methods for entering notes: http://www.finalemusic.com/Finale/features/enteringnotes/default.aspx seems to me to be worth worrying about. The first paragraph says: * Enter notes with your computer keyboard and/or mouse. * Use your MIDI keyboard (or any other MIDI device) in combination with your computer keyboard and mouse to enter notes and chords. * Play a MIDI keyboard and watch your music appear on-screen in real time. * Use Finale´s exclusive MicNotator® to play notes into your microphone with a brass or woodwind instrument. * Scan existing sheet music. * Import MIDI, MusicXML, Smartscore, or Finale family notation files. No other notation software offers this breadth of note entry options. No other? Well, I know another one ... ;-) If they are trying to promote Finale on the grounds of versatility of getting notes into your files, why do they leave out one of the main methods, Speedy entry? They didn't. Look: * Enter notes with your computer keyboard and/or mouse. Isn't that Speedy entry? Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
No, that is NOT Speedy. Speedy allows you to be holding down a chord and then deciding on the notes value. Sibelius, as far as I know, does not have this. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Torges Gerhard gh.nos...@gmx.de wrote: No other? Well, I know another one ... ;-) If they are trying to promote Finale on the grounds of versatility of getting notes into your files, why do they leave out one of the main methods, Speedy entry? They didn't. Look: * Enter notes with your computer keyboard and/or mouse. Isn't that Speedy entry? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
On May 31, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Torges Gerhard wrote: Hello! Am 30.05.2009 um 01:57 schrieb David W. Fenton: http://www.finalemusic.com/Finale/features/enteringnotes/default.aspx If they are trying to promote Finale on the grounds of versatility of getting notes into your files, why do they leave out one of the main methods, Speedy entry? They didn't. Look: * Enter notes with your computer keyboard and/or mouse. Isn't that Speedy entry? Gerhard Yes, but you would never know it from the website. Click the link that David included (I left it in the message.) It brings you to a tabbed window open to Simple, and aside from Simple the tabs only include Hyperscribe, MicNotator and Scanning. No Speedy. No mention of Speedy at all in any of the promotional material for 2010. No wonder alarm bells went off. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
At 2:22 PM -0700 5/31/09, Eric Dannewitz wrote: No, that is NOT Speedy. Speedy allows you to be holding down a chord and then deciding on the notes value. Sibelius, as far as I know, does not have this. I fully realize that different people have different ways of working, but I find this particular argument (duration before pitch or pitch before duration) rather amusing. In hand copying (remember doing THAT, anyone?!!), you do both simultaneously, placing a note on a line or space and making it black or white, and then finish up the details. And that goes clear back to monks with featers! Any computer program breaks that down and requires doing one and then the other. Big deal! The human mind is really a bit more flexible that that. I used Mosaic for years, and I honestly can't remember the order for entry. Duration first, I think, using the number keys, then pitch entry (which would make it more similar to Sibelius), but I honestly can't remember how the pitch was entered, except that mousing it (as always) was the least desirable option. (So soon we forget!!) But I can't remember getting emotionally involved about it, either. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
2009/5/31 John Howell john.how...@vt.edu At 2:22 PM -0700 5/31/09, Eric Dannewitz wrote: No, that is NOT Speedy. Speedy allows you to be holding down a chord and then deciding on the notes value. Sibelius, as far as I know, does not have this. I fully realize that different people have different ways of working, but I find this particular argument (duration before pitch or pitch before duration) rather amusing. In hand copying (remember doing THAT, anyone?!!), you do both simultaneously, placing a note on a line or space and making it black or white, and then finish up the details. And that goes clear back to monks with featers! Any computer program breaks that down and requires doing one and then the other. Big deal! The human mind is really a bit more flexible that that. I used Mosaic for years, and I honestly can't remember the order for entry. Duration first, I think, using the number keys, then pitch entry (which would make it more similar to Sibelius), but I honestly can't remember how the pitch was entered, except that mousing it (as always) was the least desirable option. (So soon we forget!!) But I can't remember getting emotionally involved about it, either. John For what it's worth, when improvising or composing at the piano, you hit a note first, and then later choose when to change notes or stop the note. And when composing on paper you can write black noteheads without rhythms, or rhythms without pitches, and that flexibility can be very useful (in fact, I wish there were more cases of computer composition environments allowing composition in such an 'abstract' manner where not all parameters are initially specified..). -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
On 5/31/2009 8:43 PM, John Howell wrote: I fully realize that different people have different ways of working, but I find this particular argument (duration before pitch or pitch before duration) rather amusing. In hand copying (remember doing THAT, anyone?!!), you do both simultaneously, placing a note on a line or space and making it black or white, and then finish up the details. But in hand copying you *don't* do both simultaneously. You first move your hand to the right position on the staff, and then you put a specific kind of note there. There's no other way to do it in hand copying -- you can't draw a note of a specific duration until you have first decided what the pitch is going to be. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
On 31 May 2009 at 23:08, Torges Gerhard wrote: Am 30.05.2009 um 01:57 schrieb David W. Fenton: If they are trying to promote Finale on the grounds of versatility of getting notes into your files, why do they leave out one of the main methods, Speedy entry? They didn't. Look: * Enter notes with your computer keyboard and/or mouse. Isn't that Speedy entry? Not per se. It covers simple entry just as easily, and all the detail pages that are linked from that page talk about Simple Entry exclusively -- there is nothing specific about Speedy at all. Someone who doesn't already know Finale would have no idea from that bullet point that Finale offers two distinct approaches to entering notes with computer keyboard and/or mouse. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
Not necessarily..For example, when I am writing out something, I frequently go through and block out chords, then go back and do the duration. And speedy also lets me play or even keep sounding the chord before and lets me play/mess around with different voicings before putting them into the score. Finale is flexible enough to allow that, and that is why I continue to use it despite the fact that the company seems to have its head up its...yeah On 5/31/09 5:43 PM, John Howell wrote: I fully realize that different people have different ways of working, but I find this particular argument (duration before pitch or pitch before duration) rather amusing. In hand copying (remember doing THAT, anyone?!!), you do both simultaneously, placing a note on a line or space and making it black or white, and then finish up the details. And that goes clear back to monks with featers! Any computer program breaks that down and requires doing one and then the other. Big deal! The human mind is really a bit more flexible that that. I used Mosaic for years, and I honestly can't remember the order for entry. Duration first, I think, using the number keys, then pitch entry (which would make it more similar to Sibelius), but I honestly can't remember how the pitch was entered, except that mousing it (as always) was the least desirable option. (So soon we forget!!) But I can't remember getting emotionally involved about it, either. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
Eric Dannewitz wrote: Not necessarily..For example, when I am writing out something, I frequently go through and block out chords, then go back and do the duration. And speedy also lets me play or even keep sounding the chord before and lets me play/mess around with different voicings before putting them into the score. And that's the model that works for you. When transcribing tunes, I generally map the rhythm, and approximate pitch (up or down), and then go back and fine tune the pitches. But when arranging I block the chords and then voice them according to instrumentation. And I'm sure others have other methods for doing what they do. The advantage of a flexible program is that we can all use what works best for us without too many hiccups. Finale is flexible enough to allow that, and that is why I continue to use it despite the fact that the company seems to have its head up its...yeah Agreed. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
At 8:58 PM -0400 5/31/09, Aaron Sherber wrote: On 5/31/2009 8:43 PM, John Howell wrote: I fully realize that different people have different ways of working, but I find this particular argument (duration before pitch or pitch before duration) rather amusing. In hand copying (remember doing THAT, anyone?!!), you do both simultaneously, placing a note on a line or space and making it black or white, and then finish up the details. But in hand copying you *don't* do both simultaneously. You first move your hand to the right position on the staff, and then you put a specific kind of note there. There's no other way to do it in hand copying -- you can't draw a note of a specific duration until you have first decided what the pitch is going to be. Hi, Aaron. Not meaning to be picky, but you're breaking a single integrated action up into two distinct actions (which is what Finale, Sibelius, and Mosaic all do). When I move my hand I already know both the pitch and the duration I'm going to write, so it's a single mental action, and that single action encompasses note placement, note shape, and note color. The computer only knows one thing at a time. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
On May 31, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Adam Golding wrote: 2009/5/31 John Howell john.how...@vt.edu At 2:22 PM -0700 5/31/09, Eric Dannewitz wrote: No, that is NOT Speedy. Speedy allows you to be holding down a chord and then deciding on the notes value. Sibelius, as far as I know, does not have this. I fully realize that different people have different ways of working, but I find this particular argument (duration before pitch or pitch before duration) rather amusing. In hand copying (remember doing THAT, anyone?!!), you do both simultaneously, placing a note on a line or space and making it black or white, and then finish up the details. And that goes clear back to monks with featers! Any computer program breaks that down and requires doing one and then the other. Big deal! The human mind is really a bit more flexible that that. I used Mosaic for years, and I honestly can't remember the order for entry. Duration first, I think, using the number keys, then pitch entry (which would make it more similar to Sibelius), but I honestly can't remember how the pitch was entered, except that mousing it (as always) was the least desirable option. (So soon we forget!!) But I can't remember getting emotionally involved about it, either. John For what it's worth, when improvising or composing at the piano, you hit a note first, and then later choose when to change notes or stop the note. And when composing on paper you can write black noteheads without rhythms, or rhythms without pitches, and that flexibility can be very useful (in fact, I wish there were more cases of computer composition environments allowing composition in such an 'abstract' manner where not all parameters are initially specified..). Oh yeah, that's for sure! Having to specify the exact rhythm right away is what keeps me from using Finale as a composition tool. I can only go to Finale once I know what I am doing, after the pencil sketch stage at the earliest. As for John not getting emotionally involved with his tools, well I guess some people think like that. Not me, though. Even when I use paper and pencil I still need my brand of paper and the kind of pencil I am used to, or it is a distraction. It doesn't take much to derail my train of thought when I'm in creative mode. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
On May 31, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: On 5/31/2009 8:43 PM, John Howell wrote: I fully realize that different people have different ways of working, but I find this particular argument (duration before pitch or pitch before duration) rather amusing. In hand copying (remember doing THAT, anyone?!!), you do both simultaneously, placing a note on a line or space and making it black or white, and then finish up the details. But in hand copying you *don't* do both simultaneously. You first move your hand to the right position on the staff, and then you put a specific kind of note there. There's no other way to do it in hand copying -- you can't draw a note of a specific duration until you have first decided what the pitch is going to be. Aaron. Sure you can. I do it all the time. It's a great way to compose, actually, writing the rhythms and maybe an approximate contour, then go back and choose the pitches. I can only do it with a pencil, though (so far!) But I think you two are talking apples and oranges. John was discussing copying, implying that you already know what you are putting down on paper. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
On 5/31/2009 9:39 PM, John Howell wrote: Hi, Aaron. Not meaning to be picky, but you're breaking a single integrated action up into two distinct actions (which is what Finale, Sibelius, and Mosaic all do). When I move my hand I already know both the pitch and the duration I'm going to write, so it's a single mental action, and that single action encompasses note placement, note shape, and note color. The computer only knows one thing at a time. I think your choice of words is clouding your argument here. I agree that the mental decision to write a certain note generally encompasses both the pitch and the duration, but the act of writing that note consists of two steps -- moving your pen to the correct staff level and then drawing the appropriate duration. You use the word action for both the mental and physical parts of this, and then you seem to imply that because the former is indivisible, the latter must be also. But this is not true. Compare, for example, hand copying of music with old style engraving with punches. It is clear that the two methods require a different order to the component actions. In hand copying, you move to the correct pitch and then draw a duration. With punches, you have to pick up the punch of the correct duration before you can place the note on the staff. In both cases, the engraver knows beforehand both pitch and duration, and yet the order is clearly important. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
On 5/31/2009 9:48 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Sure you can. I do it all the time. It's a great way to compose, actually, writing the rhythms and maybe an approximate contour, then go back and choose the pitches. I can only do it with a pencil, though (so far!) But I think you two are talking apples and oranges. John was discussing copying, implying that you already know what you are putting down on paper. Actually, I was discussing copying as well. I hadn't thought about it, but I can certainly see why duration first might be useful for a composer. That's an important distinction. Good thing Finale allows for both, as we keep coming back to. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
On May 30, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Ralph Whitfield wrote: I'll spring for it just for the rehearsal marks and percussion updates. The site and/or propaganda doesn't say how well it handles the rehearsal marks in linked parts. One of the things I really dislike is having to deal with the rehearsal marks in linked parts...having to have a regular score and a parts score. I would like to know if the rehearsal marks are handled differently in the linked parts...(and I'm still working on 2007...although I have 2009.) There was no mention of it. What is referred to is that they keep their sequence (A,B,C or 1, 2,3) automatically, though you can override that. I don't know if you can specify different font sizes in the score and parts. If you are having trouble with the rehearsal marks being microscopic in the score when they are the right size in the parts, there are a couple of different ways to deal with that. The easiest way is to make them a fixed font size. In the Maestro default they are Times 12, which means after system reduction in the parts they will be around 10. So make them 10 fixed, which makes them the right size in the parts and exactly the same size in the score no matter what the score is reduced to. If you find them too close to the staff in the score, just raise them up while holding down the override key (command on a Mac) and they will only move in the score, not the parts. The other way is to have TWO sets of rehearsal marks and set one of them to be invisible in the score and the other to be invisible in the parts. It's only a little kludgy, and you can avoid the separate parts and score files if this is the only thing causing it. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
On 5/30/2009 12:22 AM, Ralph Whitfield wrote: I'll spring for it just for the rehearsal marks and percussion updates. This has been my attitude for several years with Finale. Of course, we'd all like to see updates that get us really excited about a host of new features and bugfixes and which we're clearly happy to pay for. But the truth is, if the new features don't seem that exciting or extensive but still save you just a few hours of work over the course of a year, it's worth paying the $99 from a time/money standpoint. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
Aaron Sherber wrote: On 5/30/2009 12:22 AM, Ralph Whitfield wrote: I'll spring for it just for the rehearsal marks and percussion updates. This has been my attitude for several years with Finale. Of course, we'd all like to see updates that get us really excited about a host of new features and bugfixes and which we're clearly happy to pay for. But the truth is, if the new features don't seem that exciting or extensive but still save you just a few hours of work over the course of a year, it's worth paying the $99 from a time/money standpoint. Aaron. I agree with you both. The rehearsal letters look to save many hours through the coming year, and the percussion, if it works, would save me much gnashing of teeth. $99 isn't a bad price for my time and my teeth.. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist Composer, Arranger Louisville Orchestra ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
Now that's good, pragmatic info. Thanks, Dean On May 30, 2009, at 5:24 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On May 30, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Ralph Whitfield wrote: I'll spring for it just for the rehearsal marks and percussion updates. The site and/or propaganda doesn't say how well it handles the rehearsal marks in linked parts. One of the things I really dislike is having to deal with the rehearsal marks in linked parts...having to have a regular score and a parts score. I would like to know if the rehearsal marks are handled differently in the linked parts...(and I'm still working on 2007...although I have 2009.) There was no mention of it. What is referred to is that they keep their sequence (A,B,C or 1, 2,3) automatically, though you can override that. I don't know if you can specify different font sizes in the score and parts. If you are having trouble with the rehearsal marks being microscopic in the score when they are the right size in the parts, there are a couple of different ways to deal with that. The easiest way is to make them a fixed font size. In the Maestro default they are Times 12, which means after system reduction in the parts they will be around 10. So make them 10 fixed, which makes them the right size in the parts and exactly the same size in the score no matter what the score is reduced to. If you find them too close to the staff in the score, just raise them up while holding down the override key (command on a Mac) and they will only move in the score, not the parts. The other way is to have TWO sets of rehearsal marks and set one of them to be invisible in the score and the other to be invisible in the parts. It's only a little kludgy, and you can avoid the separate parts and score files if this is the only thing causing it. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/enteringnotes/ simplenoteentry.aspx Under Entering Notes, they list: - Simple note entry - Hyperscribe - MicNotator - Scanning Is this an oversight, or did they really remove speedy entry? Stephen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Oooo, that would be the DEATH BLOW for me. Perhaps they just didn't list it? Didn't someone from MakeMusic say they would not do this? Wasn't it the guy who was working there, but isn't anymore, and wasn't really officially monitoring the list.. Manthis would be terrible. On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Stephen Lambjstephenl...@jslweb.com wrote: http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/enteringnotes/simplenoteentry.aspx Under Entering Notes, they list: - Simple note entry - Hyperscribe - MicNotator - Scanning Is this an oversight, or did they really remove speedy entry? Stephen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 01:56 PM 5/29/2009, you wrote: Oooo, that would be the DEATH BLOW for me. Perhaps they just didn't list it? Didn't someone from MakeMusic say they would not do this? Wasn't it the guy who was working there, but isn't anymore, and wasn't really officially monitoring the list.. Manthis would be terrible. Indeed. WOW!!! But..let's not jump to conclusions. :) Dana ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
I don't see any mention of the Key Signature Tool at http://www.finalemusic.com/Finale/Features.aspx - does this mean that they have also removed our ability to change Key Signatures? Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:12:16 -0400 To: finale@shsu.edu From: d...@dragonflytech.com Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced At 01:56 PM 5/29/2009, you wrote: Oooo, that would be the DEATH BLOW for me. Perhaps they just didn't list it? Didn't someone from MakeMusic say they would not do this? Wasn't it the guy who was working there, but isn't anymore, and wasn't really officially monitoring the list.. Manthis would be terrible. Indeed. WOW!!! But..let's not jump to conclusions. :) Dana ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I can assure you that Speedy Entry has not been removed from 2010. All other tools (Travis Neville mentioned the Key Signature tool) are there as well. Michael On 29 May 2009, at 19:19, Stephen Lamb wrote: http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/enteringnotes/ simplenoteentry.aspx Under Entering Notes, they list: - Simple note entry - Hyperscribe - MicNotator - Scanning Is this an oversight, or did they really remove speedy entry? Stephen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 29 May 2009 at 12:19, Stephen Lamb wrote: http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/enteringnotes/ simplenoteentry.aspx Under Entering Notes, they list: - Simple note entry - Hyperscribe - MicNotator - Scanning Is this an oversight, or did they really remove speedy entry? It's surely an oversight. But it might be a good idea for those contemplating purchasing the upgrade to write to them and ask, and to let them know in no uncertain terms how you feel about the potential removal of Speedy. If they removed Speedy, I'd never upgrade again and move to Sibelius. It's not that Sibelius has Speedy, but if I'm going to have to adjust to a new entry method, I might as well do it in the notation program that has the brightest future, and that ain't Finale in my estimation. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
I had heard that they were thinking of eventually folding the Speedy functionality into the Simple tool, or combining them into one at any rate, kind of like what they did with the Mass Edit and the Selection Tool. If they do it carefully, it could be very beneficial. I think the Selection Tool move was a very good one. I don't know if they did it in 2010 or not. We'll have to wait. Christopher On May 29, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Oooo, that would be the DEATH BLOW for me. Perhaps they just didn't list it? Didn't someone from MakeMusic say they would not do this? Wasn't it the guy who was working there, but isn't anymore, and wasn't really officially monitoring the list.. Manthis would be terrible. On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Stephen Lambjstephenl...@jslweb.com wrote: http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/enteringnotes/ simplenoteentry.aspx Under Entering Notes, they list: - Simple note entry - Hyperscribe - MicNotator - Scanning Is this an oversight, or did they really remove speedy entry? Stephen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Fin2010 announced
Oh for the love of...they're NOT removing speedy. I don't know how these rumors get started...it's like when they would release mac/win separately and one group or the other would think their platform's getting dropped because their platform wasn't first. On May 29, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I had heard that they were thinking of eventually folding the Speedy functionality into the Simple tool, or combining them into one at any rate, kind of like what they did with the Mass Edit and the Selection Tool. If they do it carefully, it could be very beneficial. I think the Selection Tool move was a very good one. I don't know if they did it in 2010 or not. We'll have to wait. Christopher On May 29, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Oooo, that would be the DEATH BLOW for me. Perhaps they just didn't list it? Didn't someone from MakeMusic say they would not do this? Wasn't it the guy who was working there, but isn't anymore, and wasn't really officially monitoring the list.. Manthis would be terrible. On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Stephen Lambjstephenl...@jslweb.com wrote: http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/enteringnotes/simplenoteentry.aspx Under Entering Notes, they list: - Simple note entry - Hyperscribe - MicNotator - Scanning Is this an oversight, or did they really remove speedy entry? Stephen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology al...@fisherartandtech.com i...@fisherartandtech.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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David W. Fenton wrote: But the only method they go on to describe is Simple Entry. They don't mention the many advantages of Speedy. Are they pretending it doesn't exist? Are they downplaying it in order to fold it into Simple Entry? Are their marketing people (i.e., the people who write the promotional copy) just ignorant of the fact that Speedy exists and is very important to a crucial portion of their user base? Yes, I see what you mean. It's not mentioned at all on that page (MicNotator gets a guernsey, WTF). I spoke to Tom about this when we came out here. He was a 100% Simple Entry convert. It's like talking to someone with a new religious affiliation - he was very nice about it, but totally adherent to the new cause. I am sure Makemusic are actively not promoting it so that it can be removed entirely one day, or folded into another tool. The less users who complain, the easier for them. And then Speedy will appear in Sibelius (I've been pushing that barrow for 4 years now without success!) Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Methinks he hit it on the head ;) On May 29, 2009, at 9:54 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Are their marketing people (i.e., the people who write the promotional copy) just ignorant of the fact that Speedy exists and is very important to a crucial portion of their user base? Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology al...@fisherartandtech.com i...@fisherartandtech.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I'll spring for it just for the rehearsal marks and percussion updates. The site and/or propaganda doesn't say how well it handles the rehearsal marks in linked parts. One of the things I really dislike is having to deal with the rehearsal marks in linked parts...having to have a regular score and a parts score. I would like to know if the rehearsal marks are handled differently in the linked parts...(and I'm still working on 2007...although I have 2009.) Also, the percussion thing has needed upgrading for eons. That is one of the most frustrating things to work with. Ralph -- Ralph W. Whitfield, Jr. Bass Trombonist - Gadsden Symphony Orchestra www.rainbowbrassmusic.com Trombonist by Nature, Engineer by Necessity. -- Ralph W. Whitfield, Jr. Bass Trombonist - Gadsden Symphony Orchestra www.rainbowbrassmusic.com Trombonist by Nature, Engineer by Necessity. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
