Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
Been checking the Sibelius/Avid websites on the crossgrade frequently over the last few weeks, and it is always showing as SOLD OUT for the boxed version. I'd really rather have the shipped box than the download. The offer ends this Friday, the 19th. Any suggestions? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
At 11:53 AM -0700 3/14/10, toronado...@gmail.com wrote: Been checking the Sibelius/Avid websites on the crossgrade frequently over the last few weeks, and it is always showing as SOLD OUT for the boxed version. I'd really rather have the shipped box than the download. The offer ends this Friday, the 19th. Any suggestions? I will forward your note to the SibeliusList, where Daniel Spreadbury, Senior Product Manager, will see it. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
Thanks! On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 1:15 PM, John Howell john.how...@vt.edu wrote: At 11:53 AM -0700 3/14/10, toronado...@gmail.com wrote: Been checking the Sibelius/Avid websites on the crossgrade frequently over the last few weeks, and it is always showing as SOLD OUT for the boxed version. I'd really rather have the shipped box than the download. The offer ends this Friday, the 19th. Any suggestions? I will forward your note to the SibeliusList, where Daniel Spreadbury, Senior Product Manager, will see it. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
Lawrence Yates wrote: I'm very happy with Finale but I am increasingly being given Sibelius files to work with and so am seriously considering buying Sibelius as well. This offer, if, as someone has suggested, applies to older versions of Finale, sounds very attractive but I don't want to give up my current Finale. (I currently have the demo version of Sib 6 and, in my inexperience, am finding it very, very difficult to use. The demo instruction book seems to offer less help than I would like. As I said, I am very inexperienced so it's probably my fault) You don't lose the functionality of any Finale version you have installed on your computer, and as long as you send an older version's installation CD you lose absolutely nothing from your current version, including the ability to reinstall it if you need to. When working with Sibelius, as with any new piece of software, you need to approach it as a new piece of software with no preconceptions about anything you've learned in Finale. I didn't follow this advice and found the first version of Sibelius which I bought to be incredibly difficult to use. Then with the version 5 upgrade I sat down as if I'd never used a notation program before, worked through the tutorials, and found that it became much easier than before. It's a different program from Finale, it works in a different way, it forces a different work-flow for you (just as Finale in its own way forces you to follow a certain workflow for smoothest efficiency for you) and you need to approach it as a beginner. It doesn't take long to get up to speed with it, as you learn the processes for doing what you need. I'd say it took me about a month of following the tutorials, practicing on simple projects and reading the manual before I was up to speed with Sibelius. Now when I use Sibelius occasionally I find myself in situations where I mumble gee, Finale does this so much easier and when I use Finale I also find myself in situations where I mumble gee, Sibelius does this so much easier. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
toronado...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Will Roberts whrcompo...@fastmail.fmwrote: I don't think you have to give up Finale at all. You just have to send them two pages of your Finale user guide or one of your Finale program discs. When I read about this special crossgrade price on the Sibelius site (I'm currently trying out the Sibelius 6 Demo) I saw where it says you can tear out the first two pages of your Finale user guide and send them that, or send them a Finale program disc, and was wondering if it matters which program disk you send them. Like, could you send them your old Finale 2008 CD and keep your Finale 2009 and your user guide remains intact? Also it says you must currently be a student. So faculty doesn't count? You're looking at the wrong page if it says you must be a student. You can send them ANY installation CD from Finale, it doesn't have to be your newest one. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
On 1/11/2010 6:38 AM, dhbailey wrote: You don't lose the functionality of any Finale version you have installed on your computer, and as long as you send an older version's installation CD you lose absolutely nothing from your current version, including the ability to reinstall it if you need to. Also, there's nothing stopping you from making a copy of the Finale CD before you send it in for the crossgrade. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
dhbailey wrote: I wonder if Finale ever offers a reduction in the crossgrade (they call it a competitive upgrade) price of $199. But, if I haven't misunderstand something, the costs if you want to share notation data back and forth are: Finale: $199 + $0 That other app: $129+$199 (for either the Dolet or PDFtoMusic addition). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
Jari Williamsson wrote: dhbailey wrote: I wonder if Finale ever offers a reduction in the crossgrade (they call it a competitive upgrade) price of $199. But, if I haven't misunderstand something, the costs if you want to share notation data back and forth are: Finale: $199 + $0 That other app: $129+$199 (for either the Dolet or PDFtoMusic addition). That's true -- however there isn't a great way to get the music from one to the other (despite how close MusicXML comes, there is still a lot of tweaking to do) so I've found that the best way to continue to work is that projects begun in Finale are completed in Finale and projects begun in Sibelius are completed in Sibelius. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
I'm very happy with Finale but I am increasingly being given Sibelius files to work with and so am seriously considering buying Sibelius as well. This offer, if, as someone has suggested, applies to older versions of Finale, sounds very attractive but I don't want to give up my current Finale. (I currently have the demo version of Sib 6 and, in my inexperience, am finding it very, very difficult to use. The demo instruction book seems to offer less help than I would like. As I said, I am very inexperienced so it's probably my fault) Lawrence 2010/1/10 dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com Jari Williamsson wrote: dhbailey wrote: I wonder if Finale ever offers a reduction in the crossgrade (they call it a competitive upgrade) price of $199. But, if I haven't misunderstand something, the costs if you want to share notation data back and forth are: Finale: $199 + $0 That other app: $129+$199 (for either the Dolet or PDFtoMusic addition). That's true -- however there isn't a great way to get the music from one to the other (despite how close MusicXML comes, there is still a lot of tweaking to do) so I've found that the best way to continue to work is that projects begun in Finale are completed in Finale and projects begun in Sibelius are completed in Sibelius. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
Lawrence Yates wrote: I'm very happy with Finale but I am increasingly being given Sibelius files to work with and so am seriously considering buying Sibelius as well. This offer, if, as someone has suggested, applies to older versions of Finale, sounds very attractive but I don't want to give up my current Finale. I don't think you have to give up Finale at all. You just have to send them two pages of your Finale user guide or one of your Finale program discs. (I currently have the demo version of Sib 6 and, in my inexperience, am finding it very, very difficult to use. The demo instruction book seems to offer less help than I would like. As I said, I am very inexperienced so it's probably my fault) When I last tried the Sibelius demo, I found that the full documentation available for download from the site was more helpful than the limited information in the demo. The full manual is here: http://www.sibelius.com/download/documentation I don't have Sibelius 6, but am thinking about upgrading. Best, -WR -- Will Roberts whrcompo...@fastmail.fm ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Will Roberts whrcompo...@fastmail.fmwrote: I don't think you have to give up Finale at all. You just have to send them two pages of your Finale user guide or one of your Finale program discs. When I read about this special crossgrade price on the Sibelius site (I'm currently trying out the Sibelius 6 Demo) I saw where it says you can tear out the first two pages of your Finale user guide and send them that, or send them a Finale program disc, and was wondering if it matters which program disk you send them. Like, could you send them your old Finale 2008 CD and keep your Finale 2009 and your user guide remains intact? Also it says you must currently be a student. So faculty doesn't count? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
toronado...@gmail.com wrote: ... was wondering if it matters which program disk you send them. Like, could you send them your old Finale 2008 CD and keep your Finale 2009 and your user guide remains intact? I don't think it matters, provided it's an original program CD. David, can you comment on this? Also it says you must currently be a student. So faculty doesn't count? Where did you see that? No mention of needing to be a student here: http://www.sibelius.com/shop/panels/competitive_upgrade_tnc.html Best, -WR ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
I can't find any mention of the need to be a student to qualify either. Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
When I crossgraded from Finale to Sibelius over 2 years ago, I sent them my CD for Finale 2002, which won't run under OS X. No problems. HTH J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 10, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Will Roberts wrote: toronado...@gmail.com wrote: ... was wondering if it matters which program disk you send them. Like, could you send them your old Finale 2008 CD and keep your Finale 2009 and your user guide remains intact? I don't think it matters, provided it's an original program CD. David, can you comment on this? Also it says you must currently be a student. So faculty doesn't count? Where did you see that? No mention of needing to be a student here: http://www.sibelius.com/shop/panels/competitive_upgrade_tnc.html Best, -WR ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Will Roberts whrcompo...@fastmail.fmwrote: toronado...@gmail.com wrote: Also it says you must currently be a student. So faculty doesn't count? Where did you see that? No mention of needing to be a student here: http://www.sibelius.com/shop/panels/competitive_upgrade_tnc.html Best, -WR OK. Well, now I don't see that bit about the student. Strange. Oh well, much better that there is no such requirement! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:28 PM, J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com wrote: When I crossgraded from Finale to Sibelius over 2 years ago, I sent them my CD for Finale 2002, which won't run under OS X. No problems. Awesome. I'll send them my 2008 CD. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
At 4:09 PM -0800 1/10/10, toronado...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Will Roberts whrcompo...@fastmail.fmwrote: Also it says you must currently be a student. So faculty doesn't count? Where do you find that? I don't see it on the Competitive Crossgrade page at all. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
At 4:28 PM -0800 1/10/10, J D Thomas wrote: When I crossgraded from Finale to Sibelius over 2 years ago, I sent them my CD for Finale 2002, which won't run under OS X. No problems. Yes. When I crossgraded from Mosaic to Sib 5 I sent in the pages from the Mosaic manual--after photocopying them and taping the copies back in! No questions asked, even though I could no longer run Mosaic under OS 10. They really aren't looking for excuses to back out of the registration, just to get you started using Sibelius. One caveat: the identification number of your copy of Sibelius (it isn't actually a serial number because it isn't serial!) stays with you through future upgrades (which is why it isn't serial). If you're eligible for an educational/church price, you might be better off in the long run to avoid the crossgrade, because it won't entitle you to the educational price in future upgrades. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
At 5:31 PM -0800 1/10/10, toronado...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Will Roberts whrcompo...@fastmail.fmwrote: toronado...@gmail.com wrote: Also it says you must currently be a student. So faculty doesn't count? Where did you see that? No mention of needing to be a student here: http://www.sibelius.com/shop/panels/competitive_upgrade_tnc.html Best, -WR OK. Well, now I don't see that bit about the student. Strange. Oh well, much better that there is no such requirement! They did mention (on a different page) Sibelius Student as being eligible for the crossgrade. That's the name of their cut-down entry-level version. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Sibelius crossgrade price $129
Sibelius is currently offering a reduction from their normal $199 crossgrade price for users of Finale, Notion, Encore or Mosaic. The current special price to crossgrade is $129(US) or £129(UK). I'm not trying to suggest that anybody should make the purchase, but I just thought that people should know about it in case they were curious. Version 6 of Sibelius is an excellent upgrade. I wonder if Finale ever offers a reduction in the crossgrade (they call it a competitive upgrade) price of $199. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
