Re: [Finale] Trombone mute holders - advice
This one might work, 'though it seems overpriced: http://band-orchestra.musiciansfriend.com/product/KM-Mute-Holder?sku=466138 at least it IS available. I had a former section mate that used to make mute holders that looked a lot like the MuteRack - and they appeared to be quite sturdy. As far as holding a bucket mute, I must say that the original H B bucket, while a great sound, is a horrible item. Has to fit to each different bell size, takes about a half hour to mount it to the bell, and after a few months use the brackets break off, leaving it useless. Much better are the JoRal buckets which insert in the bell (but which are heavy). Then there is my personal fave, the softone mute, which folds up in your bag, serves as a practice mute and whisper mute when put fully over the bell, makes a decent-sounding bucket when draped two-thirds over the bell, makes a great soft surface for your straight mute (so you don't clank the latter on the floor when putting it down) and even can fold up in your hand and serve as a plunger if you forgot yours. Tenor players reportedly prefer the bass size. An extra large bass bell size is available from hornguys.com. http://band-orchestra.musiciansfriend.com/product/Softone-Bass-Trombone-Mute?sku=360427 I must add that, since the days in the Louisville Orchestra when we still performed and recorded a lot of contemporary music, I always have enjoyed using a variety of mutes. Some players turn their noses up at them, but I don't at all, finding them a lot of fun. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:22 PM, John Howell john.how...@vt.edu wrote: At 6:39 PM -0400 4/5/11, Christopher Smith wrote: On Tue Apr 5, at TuesdayApr 5 4:20 PM, William Huber wrote: Other than that, if one must stand up to play the job, the mutes have to be prepared for a fast change, placing the next mute on one's music stand where, one hopes, it doesn't interfere with seeing music. It is helpful to have the phrase Prepare Mute written over a multiple bar rest shortly ahead of time so that the mute can be located amongst its fellows and set in place. I can't tell you how many times I've put a mute between my thighs while standing, either in preparation for a quick insertion or after a quick removal. Of course, bucket is whole 'nother proposition... Isn't the bottom line here that arrangements calling for multiple mutes (especially a bucket mute!--and there is no real substitute), a producer who requires the players to stand, and no ability to use tables, music stands, or anything else to put the mutes within reach, is simply an impossible combination. A trombone bucket has got to be THE most awkward mute to use this side of tuba mutes. So which is more important, the musical use of the mutes called for, or the visual requirement of standing up to play? THAT'S the choice to be made. If it's the latter, then a substitute for the buckets will have to be made. (Or maybe a flock of boy scouts to handle the mutes and mute changes!!! Now THAT would be kind of fun! But organ players have been using registrants as assistants for many years, just as pianists have been using page turners.) John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trombone mute holders - advice
Is a mute assistant a mutant? Sorry, Chuck Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:22 PM, John Howell john.how...@vt.edu wrote: At 6:39 PM -0400 4/5/11, Christopher Smith wrote: On Tue Apr 5, at TuesdayApr 5 4:20 PM, William Huber wrote: Other than that, if one must stand up to play the job, the mutes have to be prepared for a fast change, placing the next mute on one's music stand where, one hopes, it doesn't interfere with seeing music. It is helpful to have the phrase Prepare Mute written over a multiple bar rest shortly ahead of time so that the mute can be located amongst its fellows and set in place. I can't tell you how many times I've put a mute between my thighs while standing, either in preparation for a quick insertion or after a quick removal. Of course, bucket is whole 'nother proposition... Isn't the bottom line here that arrangements calling for multiple mutes (especially a bucket mute!--and there is no real substitute), a producer who requires the players to stand, and no ability to use tables, music stands, or anything else to put the mutes within reach, is simply an impossible combination. A trombone bucket has got to be THE most awkward mute to use this side of tuba mutes. So which is more important, the musical use of the mutes called for, or the visual requirement of standing up to play? THAT'S the choice to be made. If it's the latter, then a substitute for the buckets will have to be made. (Or maybe a flock of boy scouts to handle the mutes and mute changes!!! Now THAT would be kind of fun! But organ players have been using registrants as assistants for many years, just as pianists have been using page turners.) John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trombone mute holders - advice
Interesting - I used to have a mute aunt; never said a word to me (adding my apologies to those of Chuck...) Les Marsden (209) 966-6988 (H) (559) 708-6027 (Emergency-only cell) 7145 Snyder Creek Road Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 Music AND Mariposa? Ahhh, Paradise! Mariposa County Planning Commissioner, District 5 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra Past two-term President, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County Marsden Marx Pages: http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] - Original Message - From: Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Trombone mute holders - advice Is a mute assistant a mutant? Sorry, Chuck Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:22 PM, John Howell john.how...@vt.edu wrote: At 6:39 PM -0400 4/5/11, Christopher Smith wrote: On Tue Apr 5, at TuesdayApr 5 4:20 PM, William Huber wrote: Other than that, if one must stand up to play the job, the mutes have to be prepared for a fast change, placing the next mute on one's music stand where, one hopes, it doesn't interfere with seeing music. It is helpful to have the phrase Prepare Mute written over a multiple bar rest shortly ahead of time so that the mute can be located amongst its fellows and set in place. I can't tell you how many times I've put a mute between my thighs while standing, either in preparation for a quick insertion or after a quick removal. Of course, bucket is whole 'nother proposition... Isn't the bottom line here that arrangements calling for multiple mutes (especially a bucket mute!--and there is no real substitute), a producer who requires the players to stand, and no ability to use tables, music stands, or anything else to put the mutes within reach, is simply an impossible combination. A trombone bucket has got to be THE most awkward mute to use this side of tuba mutes. So which is more important, the musical use of the mutes called for, or the visual requirement of standing up to play? THAT'S the choice to be made. If it's the latter, then a substitute for the buckets will have to be made. (Or maybe a flock of boy scouts to handle the mutes and mute changes!!! Now THAT would be kind of fun! But organ players have been using registrants as assistants for many years, just as pianists have been using page turners.) John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trombone mute holders - advice
Hello! I receive the digest form, so please excuse me if someone has already added these thoughts. I've had to battle with mutes for several years while playing trombone in a variety of settings. Some of the solutions I've seen and tried are as follows: A music stand with the desk turned horizontally and a dark towel placed on it to deaden the noise might work as a mute tray if there is room for it. If there is no room for that, then the top of one's trombone stand can be used to hook the lip of a cup mute. There is, however, the danger of the cup mute self-starting to rotate around the top of the trombone stand and fall, usually after one and a half rotations. Carpet samples placed on the floor near likely impact points can lessen the tink! and poonk! of falling mutes that brass players know so well. :-) If one's plunger has a lip on it, it can be hung on one of the set screws or adjustment knobs on the side of one's trombone stand. Other than that, if one must stand up to play the job, the mutes have to be prepared for a fast change, placing the next mute on one's music stand where, one hopes, it doesn't interfere with seeing music. It is helpful to have the phrase Prepare Mute written over a multiple bar rest shortly ahead of time so that the mute can be located amongst its fellows and set in place. Although not as good a sound, a secondary choice for bucket mute is to bury the trombone bell deep into the stand or to write Hand Over Bell. Sometimes a plunger, which might be faster to employ, can be held half-open to simulate a bucket mute. Of course, none of these sounds is the same as a bucket, but they might give you a pragmatic option that is close. On the lighter side, if the mutes must be kept on the floor, placing an open beverage next to them adds incentive to bend down to retrieve them. I recommend water, so as to be able to stand up again without difficulty and to keep the inside of the trombone smelling better. It also cleans up fairly easily after it gets knocked over. Do not use a straw with your beverage, for it will poke some delicate part of your face as you bend over to retrieve the pixie straight mute and plunger. :-) Best of luck, Bill Huber Nashville, TN On Apr 5, 2011, at 12:00 PM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: From: Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca Date: April 4, 2011 5:59:39 PM CDT To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Trombone mute holders - advice Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu The MuteRack seems too flimsy, for sure. I can't see the real size of the Jo-Ral holder, so I couldn't say anything about that. Both unavailable, so it's moot anyway. You know who would know? Jennifer Wharton! She plays Bdway pits all the time (I've seen her twice!) and she probably used them. Christopher On Mon Apr 4, at MondayApr 4 3:03 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi all, For an upcoming show, all the brass and wind players in my bigband will be standing (normally, trombones and winds are seated). The trombones have some quick mute changes, which are obviously much more difficult when standing than when seated. I'm wondering if any of the trombone players on this list have any recommendations for the clip-on trombone mute holders that clip to the music stand? They'd need to support multiple mutes. Here are two examples (don't know anything about either of them, and also both are currently unavailable): http://www.amazon.com/Jo-Ral-Trombone-Mute-Holder/dp/B0007L6OGQ http://www.indianamusic.com/muterack_main.htm Neither of them seem like they'd accommodate a trombone bucket mute. But if anyone has any experience with these things, I'd be most grateful for your input. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trombone mute holders - advice
hey darcy, check out markus stockhausen's utility belt, several pics starting about 1/4 down the page http://www.sonoloco.com/rev/stockhausen/30.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trombone mute holders - advice
On Tue Apr 5, at TuesdayApr 5 4:20 PM, William Huber wrote: Other than that, if one must stand up to play the job, the mutes have to be prepared for a fast change, placing the next mute on one's music stand where, one hopes, it doesn't interfere with seeing music. It is helpful to have the phrase Prepare Mute written over a multiple bar rest shortly ahead of time so that the mute can be located amongst its fellows and set in place. I can't tell you how many times I've put a mute between my thighs while standing, either in preparation for a quick insertion or after a quick removal. Of course, bucket is whole 'nother proposition... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trombone mute holders - advice
Hi Jef, Cool idea! Thanks! Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 6 Apr 2011, at 12:06 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: hey darcy, check out markus stockhausen's utility belt, several pics starting about 1/4 down the page http://www.sonoloco.com/rev/stockhausen/30.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trombone mute holders - advice
At 6:39 PM -0400 4/5/11, Christopher Smith wrote: On Tue Apr 5, at TuesdayApr 5 4:20 PM, William Huber wrote: Other than that, if one must stand up to play the job, the mutes have to be prepared for a fast change, placing the next mute on one's music stand where, one hopes, it doesn't interfere with seeing music. It is helpful to have the phrase Prepare Mute written over a multiple bar rest shortly ahead of time so that the mute can be located amongst its fellows and set in place. I can't tell you how many times I've put a mute between my thighs while standing, either in preparation for a quick insertion or after a quick removal. Of course, bucket is whole 'nother proposition... Isn't the bottom line here that arrangements calling for multiple mutes (especially a bucket mute!--and there is no real substitute), a producer who requires the players to stand, and no ability to use tables, music stands, or anything else to put the mutes within reach, is simply an impossible combination. A trombone bucket has got to be THE most awkward mute to use this side of tuba mutes. So which is more important, the musical use of the mutes called for, or the visual requirement of standing up to play? THAT'S the choice to be made. If it's the latter, then a substitute for the buckets will have to be made. (Or maybe a flock of boy scouts to handle the mutes and mute changes!!! Now THAT would be kind of fun! But organ players have been using registrants as assistants for many years, just as pianists have been using page turners.) John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Trombone mute holders - advice
Hi all, For an upcoming show, all the brass and wind players in my bigband will be standing (normally, trombones and winds are seated). The trombones have some quick mute changes, which are obviously much more difficult when standing than when seated. I'm wondering if any of the trombone players on this list have any recommendations for the clip-on trombone mute holders that clip to the music stand? They'd need to support multiple mutes. Here are two examples (don't know anything about either of them, and also both are currently unavailable): http://www.amazon.com/Jo-Ral-Trombone-Mute-Holder/dp/B0007L6OGQ http://www.indianamusic.com/muterack_main.htm Neither of them seem like they'd accommodate a trombone bucket mute. But if anyone has any experience with these things, I'd be most grateful for your input. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trombone mute holders - advice
Hi Darcy - Those products are both designed for the size and weight of trumpet mutes - I wouldn't trust it. I have been in similar situations like you describe and we used bar stools to set our mutes on which kept them high enough to be accessible. Good luck! JB On Apr 4, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi all, For an upcoming show, all the brass and wind players in my bigband will be standing (normally, trombones and winds are seated). The trombones have some quick mute changes, which are obviously much more difficult when standing than when seated. I'm wondering if any of the trombone players on this list have any recommendations for the clip-on trombone mute holders that clip to the music stand? They'd need to support multiple mutes. Here are two examples (don't know anything about either of them, and also both are currently unavailable): http://www.amazon.com/Jo-Ral-Trombone-Mute-Holder/dp/B0007L6OGQ http://www.indianamusic.com/muterack_main.htm Neither of them seem like they'd accommodate a trombone bucket mute. But if anyone has any experience with these things, I'd be most grateful for your input. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale John Blane Blane Music Preparation 1649 Huntington Ln. Highland Park, IL 60035 847 579-9900 847 579-9903 fax www.BlaneMusic.com j...@blanemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trombone mute holders - advice
The MuteRack seems too flimsy, for sure. I can't see the real size of the Jo-Ral holder, so I couldn't say anything about that. Both unavailable, so it's moot anyway. You know who would know? Jennifer Wharton! She plays Bdway pits all the time (I've seen her twice!) and she probably used them. Christopher On Mon Apr 4, at MondayApr 4 3:03 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi all, For an upcoming show, all the brass and wind players in my bigband will be standing (normally, trombones and winds are seated). The trombones have some quick mute changes, which are obviously much more difficult when standing than when seated. I'm wondering if any of the trombone players on this list have any recommendations for the clip-on trombone mute holders that clip to the music stand? They'd need to support multiple mutes. Here are two examples (don't know anything about either of them, and also both are currently unavailable): http://www.amazon.com/Jo-Ral-Trombone-Mute-Holder/dp/B0007L6OGQ http://www.indianamusic.com/muterack_main.htm Neither of them seem like they'd accommodate a trombone bucket mute. But if anyone has any experience with these things, I'd be most grateful for your input. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
