Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
Read it in alto clef On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: > You got it . > > > On May 6, 2011, at 7:17 PM, John Howell wrote: > > At 5:58 PM -0400 5/6/11, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: >> >>> >>> That's how I learned to transpose back in 1967. I was copyist for Rutgers >>> University Wind Ensemble (not much, but it paid my expenses). We were >>> doing >>> the Berlioz Funeral & Triumphal Symphony for winds & chorus. The horns >>> were >>> transposed into umpty jillion keys depending on which crooks were >>> required, >>> and I had to transpose that mess for F horns ... plus I was working with >>> a >>> shiny wet-copy sent from Paris of the nigh-illegible full score with the >>> old-style reverse-eighth-rest quarter rests. Copying in India ink (or >>> whatever >>> that scratch-off ink was) onto transparencies. I never learned to love >>> transposition. >>> >> >> Well-schooled orchestral horn players could have read the original parts >> at sight. University band horn players SHOULD be able to transpose, at >> least if they're taking lessons. "Regular" band players will panic if you >> even put an Eb horn part in front of them! >> >> John >> >> >> -- >> John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music >> Virginia Tech Department of Music >> College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences >> Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 >> Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 >> (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) >> http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html >> >> "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition >> of jazz musicians. >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace > Adrian Estabrook, author > > And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with > absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should > find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God > so arduous. > Dean M. Estabrook > http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
Good Lord it just keeps getting worse my job pales by comparison ... Dean On May 6, 2011, at 7:34 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 10:17 pm, John Howell wrote: At 5:58 PM -0400 5/6/11, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: That's how I learned to transpose back in 1967. I was copyist for Rutgers University Wind Ensemble (not much, but it paid my expenses). We were doing the Berlioz Funeral & Triumphal Symphony for winds & chorus. The horns were transposed into umpty jillion keys depending on which crooks were required, and I had to transpose that mess for F horns ... plus I was working with a shiny wet-copy sent from Paris of the nigh-illegible full score with the old-style reverse-eighth-rest quarter rests. Copying in India ink (or whatever that scratch-off ink was) onto transparencies. I never learned to love transposition. Well-schooled orchestral horn players could have read the original parts at sight. University band horn players SHOULD be able to transpose, at least if they're taking lessons. "Regular" band players will panic if you even put an Eb horn part in front of them! These were horns in keys like E, Eb, G, B, A, etc. Just about every key as I recall -- AND with the lower bass clef transpositions and those reversed rests. We were doing what the conductor believed to have been the US premiere (there was one recording dated earlier, but at the time he believed it hadn't been heard before here), so there were no parts. Everything had to be copied out anyway, so might as well make the parts for horns in F. I guess I was cheap enough. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God so arduous. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
You got it . On May 6, 2011, at 7:17 PM, John Howell wrote: At 5:58 PM -0400 5/6/11, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: That's how I learned to transpose back in 1967. I was copyist for Rutgers University Wind Ensemble (not much, but it paid my expenses). We were doing the Berlioz Funeral & Triumphal Symphony for winds & chorus. The horns were transposed into umpty jillion keys depending on which crooks were required, and I had to transpose that mess for F horns ... plus I was working with a shiny wet-copy sent from Paris of the nigh-illegible full score with the old-style reverse-eighth-rest quarter rests. Copying in India ink (or whatever that scratch-off ink was) onto transparencies. I never learned to love transposition. Well-schooled orchestral horn players could have read the original parts at sight. University band horn players SHOULD be able to transpose, at least if they're taking lessons. "Regular" band players will panic if you even put an Eb horn part in front of them! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God so arduous. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
On Fri, May 6, 2011 10:17 pm, John Howell wrote: > At 5:58 PM -0400 5/6/11, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: >> >>That's how I learned to transpose back in 1967. I was copyist for Rutgers >>University Wind Ensemble (not much, but it paid my expenses). We were doing >>the Berlioz Funeral & Triumphal Symphony for winds & chorus. The horns were >>transposed into umpty jillion keys depending on which crooks were required, >>and I had to transpose that mess for F horns ... plus I was working with a >>shiny wet-copy sent from Paris of the nigh-illegible full score with the >>old-style reverse-eighth-rest quarter rests. Copying in India ink (or >> whatever >>that scratch-off ink was) onto transparencies. I never learned to love >>transposition. > > Well-schooled orchestral horn players could have read the original > parts at sight. University band horn players SHOULD be able to > transpose, at least if they're taking lessons. "Regular" band > players will panic if you even put an Eb horn part in front of them! These were horns in keys like E, Eb, G, B, A, etc. Just about every key as I recall -- AND with the lower bass clef transpositions and those reversed rests. We were doing what the conductor believed to have been the US premiere (there was one recording dated earlier, but at the time he believed it hadn't been heard before here), so there were no parts. Everything had to be copied out anyway, so might as well make the parts for horns in F. I guess I was cheap enough. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
At 5:58 PM -0400 5/6/11, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: That's how I learned to transpose back in 1967. I was copyist for Rutgers University Wind Ensemble (not much, but it paid my expenses). We were doing the Berlioz Funeral & Triumphal Symphony for winds & chorus. The horns were transposed into umpty jillion keys depending on which crooks were required, and I had to transpose that mess for F horns ... plus I was working with a shiny wet-copy sent from Paris of the nigh-illegible full score with the old-style reverse-eighth-rest quarter rests. Copying in India ink (or whatever that scratch-off ink was) onto transparencies. I never learned to love transposition. Well-schooled orchestral horn players could have read the original parts at sight. University band horn players SHOULD be able to transpose, at least if they're taking lessons. "Regular" band players will panic if you even put an Eb horn part in front of them! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
God ... and honest horror story I guess we've all done stuff like that Cheers, Dean On May 6, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 5:48 pm, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Yeah ... that makes sense part of my confusion lies in the fact that I'm transposing the work as a whole from D Major up to E-flat Major ... so my brain was freezing in the face of triple transpositions have mercy ... That's how I learned to transpose back in 1967. I was copyist for Rutgers University Wind Ensemble (not much, but it paid my expenses). We were doing the Berlioz Funeral & Triumphal Symphony for winds & chorus. The horns were transposed into umpty jillion keys depending on which crooks were required, and I had to transpose that mess for F horns ... plus I was working with a shiny wet-copy sent from Paris of the nigh-illegible full score with the old-style reverse-eighth-rest quarter rests. Copying in India ink (or whatever that scratch-off ink was) onto transparencies. I never learned to love transposition. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God so arduous. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
Thanks John I can't believe I spend this much time on something so seemingly simple ... Cheers, Dean On May 6, 2011, at 2:49 PM, John Howell wrote: At 1:06 PM -0700 5/6/11, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok, Horn players I'm confused (not a new thing). I'm transcribing a Mendelsshon overture for Wind Ensemble the orchestra score lists the Horns as "Cor. in D". What is the concert pitch for a given note in that part? For the most part, they are written quite high, so I've have to believe if I'm transcribing for F Horns (which I am), that the concert pitches have gotta be lower ... no? Appreciate any help ... Dean Horn in D sound a minor 3rd below horn in F. So a written C5 sounds D4 on horn in D. And to sound D1 concert on F horn you must write A4. So if you're copying from a D horn part, transpose it down a minor 3rd. In general, horn in D will always sound lower than horn in F, just as horn in A (Beethoven's 7th, for example) will always sound higher. For F horn I think mezzo-soprano clef. For anything else I have to go through this whole process to make sure I'm doing it right. And I might STILL have messed it up! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God so arduous. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
At 1:06 PM -0700 5/6/11, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok, Horn players I'm confused (not a new thing). I'm transcribing a Mendelsshon overture for Wind Ensemble the orchestra score lists the Horns as "Cor. in D". What is the concert pitch for a given note in that part? For the most part, they are written quite high, so I've have to believe if I'm transcribing for F Horns (which I am), that the concert pitches have gotta be lower ... no? Appreciate any help ... Dean Horn in D sound a minor 3rd below horn in F. So a written C5 sounds D4 on horn in D. And to sound D1 concert on F horn you must write A4. So if you're copying from a D horn part, transpose it down a minor 3rd. In general, horn in D will always sound lower than horn in F, just as horn in A (Beethoven's 7th, for example) will always sound higher. For F horn I think mezzo-soprano clef. For anything else I have to go through this whole process to make sure I'm doing it right. And I might STILL have messed it up! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
Okie Dokie very good Thanks, Dean On May 6, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Ryan wrote: Oh, easy! Instead of Horn in D, just read them as horn in Eb and you'll take care of the transposition of the work as a whole in one fell (foul?) swoop! On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Yeah ... that makes sense part of my confusion lies in the fact that I'm transposing the work as a whole from D Major up to E-flat Major ... so my brain was freezing in the face of triple transpositions have mercy ... Dean On May 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: Min 3rd down go F horn, that is On May 6, 2011 4:37 PM, "Raymond Horton" wrote: Lower yes. Min 7 On May 6, 2011 3:18 PM, "Dean M. Estabrook" wrote: Ok, Horn players I'm confused (not a new thing). I'm transcribing a Mendelsshon overture for Wind Ensemble the orchestra score lists the Horns as "Cor. in D". What is the concert pitch for a given note in that part? For the most part, they are written quite high, so I've have to believe if I'm transcribing for F Horns (which I am), that the concert pitches have gotta be lower ... no? Appreciate any help ... Dean I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God so arduous. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God so arduous. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God so arduous. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
On Fri, May 6, 2011 5:48 pm, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: > Yeah ... that makes sense part of my confusion lies in the fact > that I'm transposing the work as a whole from D Major up to E-flat > Major ... so my brain was freezing in the face of triple > transpositions have mercy ... That's how I learned to transpose back in 1967. I was copyist for Rutgers University Wind Ensemble (not much, but it paid my expenses). We were doing the Berlioz Funeral & Triumphal Symphony for winds & chorus. The horns were transposed into umpty jillion keys depending on which crooks were required, and I had to transpose that mess for F horns ... plus I was working with a shiny wet-copy sent from Paris of the nigh-illegible full score with the old-style reverse-eighth-rest quarter rests. Copying in India ink (or whatever that scratch-off ink was) onto transparencies. I never learned to love transposition. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
That's right--minor 7th instead of major 7th. Perhaps I was getting my wires crossed with Mozart's Musical Joke. ajr "Dean M. Estabrook" wrote: > Thank you sir ... > On May 6, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Ryan wrote: > > > In treble clef, Horns in D are written up a minor 7th from concert > > pitch. > > So, a written C in the 3rd space sounds as the D above middle C. > > In bass clef, the notes are written a step below sounding pitch. > > So, a C on > > the first ledger line above the bass clef staff (middle C), will > > sound as > > the D one step higher. > > A trick you might be able to use is this: For treble clef parts in > > D, just > > imagine it's alto clef, and that gives you your concert pitch. > > > > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Dean M. Estabrook > > wrote: > > > >> Ok, Horn players I'm confused (not a new thing). I'm > >> transcribing a > >> Mendelsshon overture for Wind Ensemble the orchestra score > >> lists the > >> Horns as "Cor. in D". What is the concert pitch for a given note > >> in that > >> part? For the most part, they are written quite high, so I've > >> have to > >> believe if I'm transcribing for F Horns (which I am), that the > >> concert > >> pitches have gotta be lower ... no? > >> > >> Appreciate any help ... > >> > >> > >> Dean > >> > >> > >> I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving > >> grace > >> Adrian Estabrook, author > >> > >> And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and > >> practice, with > >> absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and > >> pyramids, should > >> find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an > >> existent God > >> so arduous. > >> Dean M. Estabrook > >> http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ > >> > >> ___ > >> Finale mailing list > >> Finale@shsu.edu > >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace > Adrian Estabrook, author > > And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, > with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and > pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to > include an existent God so arduous. > Dean M. Estabrook > http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
Oh, easy! Instead of Horn in D, just read them as horn in Eb and you'll take care of the transposition of the work as a whole in one fell (foul?) swoop! On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: > Yeah ... that makes sense part of my confusion lies in the fact that > I'm transposing the work as a whole from D Major up to E-flat Major ... so > my brain was freezing in the face of triple transpositions have mercy > ... > > Dean > > > On May 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > > Min 3rd down go F horn, that is >> On May 6, 2011 4:37 PM, "Raymond Horton" >> wrote: >> >>> Lower yes. Min 7 >>> On May 6, 2011 3:18 PM, "Dean M. Estabrook" wrote: >>> Ok, Horn players I'm confused (not a new thing). I'm transcribing a Mendelsshon overture for Wind Ensemble the orchestra score lists the Horns as "Cor. in D". What is the concert pitch for a given note in that part? For the most part, they are written quite high, so I've have to believe if I'm transcribing for F Horns (which I am), that the concert pitches have gotta be lower ... no? Appreciate any help ... Dean I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God so arduous. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace > Adrian Estabrook, author > > And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with > absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should > find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God > so arduous. > Dean M. Estabrook > http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
Thank you sir ... On May 6, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Ryan wrote: In treble clef, Horns in D are written up a minor 7th from concert pitch. So, a written C in the 3rd space sounds as the D above middle C. In bass clef, the notes are written a step below sounding pitch. So, a C on the first ledger line above the bass clef staff (middle C), will sound as the D one step higher. A trick you might be able to use is this: For treble clef parts in D, just imagine it's alto clef, and that gives you your concert pitch. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok, Horn players I'm confused (not a new thing). I'm transcribing a Mendelsshon overture for Wind Ensemble the orchestra score lists the Horns as "Cor. in D". What is the concert pitch for a given note in that part? For the most part, they are written quite high, so I've have to believe if I'm transcribing for F Horns (which I am), that the concert pitches have gotta be lower ... no? Appreciate any help ... Dean I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God so arduous. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God so arduous. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
Horn in D sounds a major 7th lower than written, so c'' sounds d'. D-alto parts (if there were any such things) would probably be considered cruel as well as unusual for F-horn players. Are you up for Wagner's horns in d-flat next? ajr "Dean M. Estabrook" wrote: > Ok, Horn players I'm confused (not a new thing). I'm > transcribing a Mendelsshon overture for Wind Ensemble the > orchestra score lists the Horns as "Cor. in D". What is the concert > pitch for a given note in that part? For the most part, they are > written quite high, so I've have to believe if I'm transcribing for > F Horns (which I am), that the concert pitches have gotta be > lower ... no? > > Appreciate any help ... > > > Dean > > > I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace > Adrian Estabrook, author > > And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, > with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and > pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to > include an existent God so arduous. > Dean M. Estabrook > http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
Yeah ... that makes sense part of my confusion lies in the fact that I'm transposing the work as a whole from D Major up to E-flat Major ... so my brain was freezing in the face of triple transpositions have mercy ... Dean On May 6, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: Min 3rd down go F horn, that is On May 6, 2011 4:37 PM, "Raymond Horton" wrote: Lower yes. Min 7 On May 6, 2011 3:18 PM, "Dean M. Estabrook" wrote: Ok, Horn players I'm confused (not a new thing). I'm transcribing a Mendelsshon overture for Wind Ensemble the orchestra score lists the Horns as "Cor. in D". What is the concert pitch for a given note in that part? For the most part, they are written quite high, so I've have to believe if I'm transcribing for F Horns (which I am), that the concert pitches have gotta be lower ... no? Appreciate any help ... Dean I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God so arduous. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God so arduous. Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
Min 3rd down go F horn, that is On May 6, 2011 4:37 PM, "Raymond Horton" wrote: > Lower yes. Min 7 > On May 6, 2011 3:18 PM, "Dean M. Estabrook" wrote: >> Ok, Horn players I'm confused (not a new thing). I'm >> transcribing a Mendelsshon overture for Wind Ensemble the >> orchestra score lists the Horns as "Cor. in D". What is the concert >> pitch for a given note in that part? For the most part, they are >> written quite high, so I've have to believe if I'm transcribing for >> F Horns (which I am), that the concert pitches have gotta be >> lower ... no? >> >> Appreciate any help ... >> >> >> Dean >> >> >> I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace >> Adrian Estabrook, author >> >> And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, >> with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and >> pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to >> include an existent God so arduous. >> Dean M. Estabrook >> http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
Lower yes. Min 7 On May 6, 2011 3:18 PM, "Dean M. Estabrook" wrote: > Ok, Horn players I'm confused (not a new thing). I'm > transcribing a Mendelsshon overture for Wind Ensemble the > orchestra score lists the Horns as "Cor. in D". What is the concert > pitch for a given note in that part? For the most part, they are > written quite high, so I've have to believe if I'm transcribing for > F Horns (which I am), that the concert pitches have gotta be > lower ... no? > > Appreciate any help ... > > > Dean > > > I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace > Adrian Estabrook, author > > And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, > with absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and > pyramids, should find the task of extending their leaps of faith to > include an existent God so arduous. > Dean M. Estabrook > http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horn transpositions
In treble clef, Horns in D are written up a minor 7th from concert pitch. So, a written C in the 3rd space sounds as the D above middle C. In bass clef, the notes are written a step below sounding pitch. So, a C on the first ledger line above the bass clef staff (middle C), will sound as the D one step higher. A trick you might be able to use is this: For treble clef parts in D, just imagine it's alto clef, and that gives you your concert pitch. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: > Ok, Horn players I'm confused (not a new thing). I'm transcribing a > Mendelsshon overture for Wind Ensemble the orchestra score lists the > Horns as "Cor. in D". What is the concert pitch for a given note in that > part? For the most part, they are written quite high, so I've have to > believe if I'm transcribing for F Horns (which I am), that the concert > pitches have gotta be lower ... no? > > Appreciate any help ... > > > Dean > > > I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace > Adrian Estabrook, author > > And ... I remain intrigued that some folks who accept and practice, with > absolute fidelity, the concepts of, say, feng shui and pyramids, should > find the task of extending their leaps of faith to include an existent God > so arduous. > Dean M. Estabrook > http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
