Re: [Finale] One last Printer Item
Sorry to disagree but... ...even USB 1.1 is 12 Mbps which is faster than ethernet 10. With low-end printers the bottleneck is always in the printer (processor and memory) and the printing engine (pages per minute). Let´s not scare Dean more than necessary... ;) Javier. Dean, As I recall the USB ports in your keyboard are both first generation usb 1.1 ports. USB 2 ports are lots and lots faster... So I guess that plugging your laserjet into the keyboard will slowdown the entire printing process as soon as you have complex or bigger print tasks... (bottle neck) The ports on the iMac are all three USB 2... way faster... Jan. Op 23-okt-05, om 23:41 heeft Dean M. Estabrook het volgende geschreven: ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I can get on board with the fear factor ... keep looking out for me guys, no matter which side of the issue you're coming from believe me, I appreciate all the info. Dean On Oct 24, 2005, at 5:09 AM, Javier Ruiz wrote: Sorry to disagree but... ...even USB 1.1 is 12 Mbps which is faster than ethernet 10. With low-end printers the bottleneck is always in the printer (processor and memory) and the printing engine (pages per minute). Let´s not scare Dean more than necessary... ;) Javier. Dean, As I recall the USB ports in your keyboard are both first generation usb 1.1 ports. USB 2 ports are lots and lots faster... So I guess that plugging your laserjet into the keyboard will slowdown the entire printing process as soon as you have complex or bigger print tasks... (bottle neck) The ports on the iMac are all three USB 2... way faster... Jan. Op 23-okt-05, om 23:41 heeft Dean M. Estabrook het volgende geschreven: ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] One last Printer Item
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok ..well, for some reason, when I try to utilize either printer via the hub, they do not function. When I plug either in directly, they function fine. It is a Belkin powered bus. I think I don't understand. Dean Are there drivers that need to be installed? Often they need to be reinstalled while the printer is connected to the hub, and don't work through the hub even if you have already installed them to work when the device is plugged directly into the original USB port. I think it's an addressing thing. At least that's my experience on windows machines. I have no clue if that's the same on Macs, or even if you need to install printer drivers on macs. But if you do have to install drivers, follow the installation procedure while the printers are plugged into the hub. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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The iMac G5 has 3 USB ports, run the two printers directly and put the hub in the one left. Then plug your other USB devices to the hub (like the keyboard. A MIDI interface can be connected to the USB connector in the keyboard. Hope it helps... Ok ..well, for some reason, when I try to utilize either printer via the hub, they do not function. When I plug either in directly, they function fine. It is a Belkin powered bus. I think I don't understand. Dean On Oct 22, 2005, at 3:45 AM, dhbailey wrote: Carlberg Jones wrote: http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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There are drivers installed, but they may not have been installed while the hub was in use, I can't remember. I'll look into that. I did connect my new laser to the USB port in the keyboard, which I had forgotten about, and it seems happy there, so maybe I'm ok ... but I would still like to have the hub functioning if I need to free up another USB port for some reason (digital camera, whatever). Dean On Oct 23, 2005, at 4:28 AM, dhbailey wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok ..well, for some reason, when I try to utilize either printer via the hub, they do not function. When I plug either in directly, they function fine. It is a Belkin powered bus. I think I don't understand. Dean Are there drivers that need to be installed? Often they need to be reinstalled while the printer is connected to the hub, and don't work through the hub even if you have already installed them to work when the device is plugged directly into the original USB port. I think it's an addressing thing. At least that's my experience on windows machines. I have no clue if that's the same on Macs, or even if you need to install printer drivers on macs. But if you do have to install drivers, follow the installation procedure while the printers are plugged into the hub. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Yeah, that might do the trick ... Thanks, Dean On Oct 23, 2005, at 6:06 AM, Javier Ruiz wrote: The iMac G5 has 3 USB ports, run the two printers directly and put the hub in the one left. Then plug your other USB devices to the hub (like the keyboard. A MIDI interface can be connected to the USB connector in the keyboard. Hope it helps... Ok ..well, for some reason, when I try to utilize either printer via the hub, they do not function. When I plug either in directly, they function fine. It is a Belkin powered bus. I think I don't understand. Dean On Oct 22, 2005, at 3:45 AM, dhbailey wrote: Carlberg Jones wrote: http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Dean, As I recall the USB ports in your keyboard are both first generation usb 1.1 ports. USB 2 ports are lots and lots faster... So I guess that plugging your laserjet into the keyboard will slowdown the entire printing process as soon as you have complex or bigger print tasks... (bottle neck) The ports on the iMac are all three USB 2... way faster... Jan. Op 23-okt-05, om 23:41 heeft Dean M. Estabrook het volgende geschreven: There are drivers installed, but they may not have been installed while the hub was in use, I can't remember. I'll look into that. I did connect my new laser to the USB port in the keyboard, which I had forgotten about, and it seems happy there, so maybe I'm ok ... but I would still like to have the hub functioning if I need to free up another USB port for some reason (digital camera, whatever). Dean On Oct 23, 2005, at 4:28 AM, dhbailey wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok ..well, for some reason, when I try to utilize either printer via the hub, they do not function. When I plug either in directly, they function fine. It is a Belkin powered bus. I think I don't understand. Dean Are there drivers that need to be installed? Often they need to be reinstalled while the printer is connected to the hub, and don't work through the hub even if you have already installed them to work when the device is plugged directly into the original USB port. I think it's an addressing thing. At least that's my experience on windows machines. I have no clue if that's the same on Macs, or even if you need to install printer drivers on macs. But if you do have to install drivers, follow the installation procedure while the printers are plugged into the hub. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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H more food for thought. Many thanks. Dean On Oct 23, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Jan Melaerts wrote: Dean, As I recall the USB ports in your keyboard are both first generation usb 1.1 ports. USB 2 ports are lots and lots faster... So I guess that plugging your laserjet into the keyboard will slowdown the entire printing process as soon as you have complex or bigger print tasks... (bottle neck) The ports on the iMac are all three USB 2... way faster... Jan. Op 23-okt-05, om 23:41 heeft Dean M. Estabrook het volgende geschreven: There are drivers installed, but they may not have been installed while the hub was in use, I can't remember. I'll look into that. I did connect my new laser to the USB port in the keyboard, which I had forgotten about, and it seems happy there, so maybe I'm ok ... but I would still like to have the hub functioning if I need to free up another USB port for some reason (digital camera, whatever). Dean On Oct 23, 2005, at 4:28 AM, dhbailey wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok ..well, for some reason, when I try to utilize either printer via the hub, they do not function. When I plug either in directly, they function fine. It is a Belkin powered bus. I think I don't understand. Dean Are there drivers that need to be installed? Often they need to be reinstalled while the printer is connected to the hub, and don't work through the hub even if you have already installed them to work when the device is plugged directly into the original USB port. I think it's an addressing thing. At least that's my experience on windows machines. I have no clue if that's the same on Macs, or even if you need to install printer drivers on macs. But if you do have to install drivers, follow the installation procedure while the printers are plugged into the hub. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hi Dean, A USB 2 (!) hub would certainly do it. I do not know whether you have an airport extreme basestation. In that case you could even share your laser printer with multiple macs of pc using the USB port of the airport without loosing onze of your mac ports... Jan. Op 22-okt-05, om 05:31 heeft Dean M. Estabrook het volgende geschreven: So, now that I wish to run 2 printers with my iMac G5, which has only one vacant USB port, is it ok to run both printers through a hub, or does that create some sort of problem of which I am presently unaware? Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 8:31 PM -0700 10/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, now that I wish to run 2 printers with my iMac G5, which has only one vacant USB port, is it ok to run both printers through a hub, or does that create some sort of problem of which I am presently unaware? Hubs are an easy alternative to plugging in and out over and over. I use two powered USB hubs. The one thing I've found is that things that take from the computer, printers, for example, are okay not close in the hub chain, while things which give to the computer, scanners, are best close to the computer. Things which draw power from the USB chain I don't know about, but in my case these things are temporary, like a tiny USB camera, which I plug directly into my computer. The camera draws power from the USB to recharge its battery and acts like a removable flash drive, which it also is. These are my experiences. Will somebody please correct me if I have things wrong? Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, now that I wish to run 2 printers with my iMac G5, which has only one vacant USB port, is it ok to run both printers through a hub, or does that create some sort of problem of which I am presently unaware? In the worst case, one of the advantages of USB on the WIN side for certain, but I assume on the MAC side, as well, is that it is hot-swappable, so that if you have two printers, say a laser and a color inkjet, and the laser is currently plugged in, but you need to print a color image, you need not shut down and reboot, you can simply unplug one printer, and plug the other in while the machine is operating. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Carlberg Jones wrote: At 8:31 PM -0700 10/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, now that I wish to run 2 printers with my iMac G5, which has only one vacant USB port, is it ok to run both printers through a hub, or does that create some sort of problem of which I am presently unaware? Hubs are an easy alternative to plugging in and out over and over. I use two powered USB hubs. The one thing I've found is that things that take from the computer, printers, for example, are okay not close in the hub chain, while things which give to the computer, scanners, are best close to the computer. Things which draw power from the USB chain I don't know about, but in my case these things are temporary, like a tiny USB camera, which I plug directly into my computer. The camera draws power from the USB to recharge its battery and acts like a removable flash drive, which it also is. These are my experiences. Will somebody please correct me if I have things wrong? If you have devices which draw power from the USB ports, you should buy a powered USB hub. Closeness to the computer in the chain shouldn't be an issue with USB2. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] One last Printer Item
Ok ..well, for some reason, when I try to utilize either printer via the hub, they do not function. When I plug either in directly, they function fine. It is a Belkin powered bus. I think I don't understand. Dean On Oct 22, 2005, at 3:45 AM, dhbailey wrote: Carlberg Jones wrote: At 8:31 PM -0700 10/21/05, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, now that I wish to run 2 printers with my iMac G5, which has only one vacant USB port, is it ok to run both printers through a hub, or does that create some sort of problem of which I am presently unaware? Hubs are an easy alternative to plugging in and out over and over. I use two powered USB hubs. The one thing I've found is that things that take from the computer, printers, for example, are okay not close in the hub chain, while things which give to the computer, scanners, are best close to the computer. Things which draw power from the USB chain I don't know about, but in my case these things are temporary, like a tiny USB camera, which I plug directly into my computer. The camera draws power from the USB to recharge its battery and acts like a removable flash drive, which it also is. These are my experiences. Will somebody please correct me if I have things wrong? If you have devices which draw power from the USB ports, you should buy a powered USB hub. Closeness to the computer in the chain shouldn't be an issue with USB2. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Perhaps a bad hub or a bad cable. I have two printers and a bunch of other stuff running off a hub. Works fine! Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok ..well, for some reason, when I try to utilize either printer via the hub, they do not function. When I plug either in directly, they function fine. It is a Belkin powered bus. I think I don't understand. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Eric Dannewitz wrote: But why not run BOTH printers off the USB hub? Hubs are like $10...it would make a lot more sense. I don't know that there is a good reason not to use a USB hub; but my failure to imagine such a good reason does not mean that such a reason may not exist under some set of circumstances, at which point the fact that USB is designed to be hot-swapable come to be useful. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Nope. Hubs are essential when using USB or Firewire devices.. Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, now that I wish to run 2 printers with my iMac G5, which has only one vacant USB port, is it ok to run both printers through a hub, or does that create some sort of problem of which I am presently unaware? Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, now that I wish to run 2 printers with my iMac G5, which has only one vacant USB port, is it ok to run both printers through a hub, or does that create some sort of problem of which I am presently unaware? In the worst case, one of the advantages of USB on the WIN side for certain, but I assume on the MAC side, as well, is that it is hot-swappable, so that if you have two printers, say a laser and a color inkjet, and the laser is currently plugged in, but you need to print a color image, you need not shut down and reboot, you can simply unplug one printer, and plug the other in while the machine is operating. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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But why not run BOTH printers off the USB hub? Hubs are like $10...it would make a lot more sense. Noel Stoutenburg wrote: In the worst case, one of the advantages of USB on the WIN side for certain, but I assume on the MAC side, as well, is that it is hot-swappable, so that if you have two printers, say a laser and a color inkjet, and the laser is currently plugged in, but you need to print a color image, you need not shut down and reboot, you can simply unplug one printer, and plug the other in while the machine is operating. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
