Re: [Fink-beginners] Troubles with xfree
At 00.07 +0200 04-07-27, Martin Costabel wrote/04-07-27, 00.07 +0200 skrev Martin Costabel Yes, Alex found it odd, too. You could run fink-virtual-pkgs and then look at the paragraph talking about system-xfree86-dev, in particular the provides line. Mine says provides: x11-dev, libgl-dev, xft2-dev, fontconfig1-dev Yours certainly doesn't say x11-dev, but it would be interesting to see which one of the others is there. Package: system-xfree86-dev Status: install ok installed Version: 2:4.3-2 provides: x11-dev, libgl-dev, xft2-dev, fontconfig1-dev description: [placeholder for user installed x11 development tools] builddependsonly: true (but now I have installed X11 SDK) Is the case closed or do you need some more information? After all your efforts I would be very pleased to maybe help you to find a bug:-) David -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] Troubles with xfree
[] Package: system-xfree86-dev Status: install ok installed Version: 2:4.3-2 provides: x11-dev, libgl-dev, xft2-dev, fontconfig1-dev description: [placeholder for user installed x11 development tools] builddependsonly: true (but now I have installed X11 SDK) Is the case closed or do you need some more information? After all your efforts I would be very pleased to maybe help you to find a bug:-) Too late, you have now covered your tracks :-) We'll have to wait for the next guy falling into the same hole. -- Martin --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
[Fink-beginners] offline-update with PB G3 and eMac G4
Hi, List! Here's my question: I own both a PowerBook G3 (Pismo) and an eMac (1st Rev., G4-700) My only access to the internet is a WLAN Hotspot on the campus, where I log in with the Pismo. I am using Fink on both Machines, the fink installation on the eMac was not updated since i moved. For the future, I am planning to use the same fink packages on Pismo and eMac by simply rsyncing the /sw Folders from Pismo to eMac. Does this work or should I take another approach? Since I am using some source packages I am wondering if the packages are compiled specifically for G3 or G4, depending on which Processor fink is run. Thanks, Markus -- Markus Kamp mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hahnerberger Str. 111 42349 Wuppertal --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] offline-update with PB G3 and eMac G4
On Jul 27, 2004, at 9:48 AM, Markus Kamp wrote: Hi, List! Here's my question: I own both a PowerBook G3 (Pismo) and an eMac (1st Rev., G4-700) My only access to the internet is a WLAN Hotspot on the campus, where I log in with the Pismo. I am using Fink on both Machines, the fink installation on the eMac was not updated since i moved. For the future, I am planning to use the same fink packages on Pismo and eMac by simply rsyncing the /sw Folders from Pismo to eMac. Does this work or should I take another approach? Since I am using some source packages I am wondering if the packages are compiled specifically for G3 or G4, depending on which Processor fink is run. Thanks, Markus -- Markus Kamp mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hahnerberger Str. 111 42349 Wuppertal This should be fine--Fink is set up such that packages you build will work on any Mac (except for packages that specifically won't work on a G3). -- Alexander Hansen Fink Documentarian [Day Job] Levitated Dipole Experiment http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] Using apt creates errors
Making a link in /xxx/xxx/xxx/mirror/fink/10.3 where dists points to the current directory cleared the original problem. I then ran 'fink scanpackages'. After I ran 'apt-get updates' which finished with this output: xxx007:~ root# apt-get update Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done ace007:~ root# I then ran 'apt-get install mutt' witch it could not find: xxx007:~ root# apt-get install mutt Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package mutt I know mutt is there. When i run find . -name *mutt* I get this line (among others): ./mirror/fink/bbraun/10.3/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/net/mutt_1.4i-21_darwin-powerpc.deb So I guess I am a little farther now but still not there. Any info would be appreciated. p.s. - Is 'apt-get update' equivelant to 'fink scanpackages' Thanks, Ben Martin Costabel wrote: Ben Herbert wrote: [] deb file:/xxx/xxx/xxx/mirror/fink/10.3 stable main crypto [] Failed to fetch file:/xxx/xxx/xxx/mirror/fink/10.3/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/Packages File not found As you can see, it add 'dists' into the path. I can't get apt-get to not add 'dists' into the path. Yes, that's what it does. You need to adapt your file layout so that it takes this into account. On a standard Fink system, in /sw/fink you have dists as a symlink to 10.3 (or to 10.2-gcc3.3 if you are on OSX 10.2), that is, /sw/fink/dists is the same as /sw/fink/10.3. The sources.list line then has deb file:/sw/fink stable main crypto If you really want to keep both your sources.list line and your file layout, make an additional symlink inside fink/10.3 so that 10.3/dists and 10.3 become identical: sudo ln -s . xxx/mirror/fink/10.3/dists Don't forget to run fink scanpackages afterwards. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] Using apt creates errors
On Jul 27, 2004, at 11:01 AM, Ben Herbert wrote: Making a link in /xxx/xxx/xxx/mirror/fink/10.3 where dists points to the current directory cleared the original problem. I then ran 'fink scanpackages'. After I ran 'apt-get updates' which finished with this output: xxx007:~ root# apt-get update Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done ace007:~ root# I then ran 'apt-get install mutt' witch it could not find: xxx007:~ root# apt-get install mutt Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package mutt I know mutt is there. When i run find . -name *mutt* I get this line (among others): ./mirror/fink/bbraun/10.3/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/net/ mutt_1.4i-21_darwin-powerpc.deb So I guess I am a little farther now but still not there. Any info would be appreciated. p.s. - Is 'apt-get update' equivelant to 'fink scanpackages' Thanks, Ben snip Nope. fink scanpackages creates and updates a list of your locally built binary packages. apt-get update updates the list of available packages using all sources (local and remote) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] Using apt creates errors
Ben Herbert wrote: [] I know mutt is there. When i run find . -name *mutt* I get this line (among others): ./mirror/fink/bbraun/10.3/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/net/mutt_1.4i-21_darwin-powerpc.deb You can install this package by hand using dpkg: sudo dpkg -i ./mirror/[and so on]/net/mutt_1.4i-21_darwin-powerpc.deb apt-get should find it, however, if you give it the right sources.list line. In your case it seems you need to put bbraun into the path. No idea why. -- Martin --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] offline-update with PB G3 and eMac G4
On Jul 27, 2004, at 07:59, Alexander K. Hansen wrote: On Jul 27, 2004, at 9:48 AM, Markus Kamp wrote: Hi, List! Here's my question: I own both a PowerBook G3 (Pismo) and an eMac (1st Rev., G4-700) My only access to the internet is a WLAN Hotspot on the campus, where I log in with the Pismo. I am using Fink on both Machines, the fink installation on the eMac was not updated since i moved. For the future, I am planning to use the same fink packages on Pismo and eMac by simply rsyncing the /sw Folders from Pismo to eMac. Does this work or should I take another approach? Since I am using some source packages I am wondering if the packages are compiled specifically for G3 or G4, depending on which Processor fink is run. Thanks, Markus -- Markus Kamp mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hahnerberger Str. 111 42349 Wuppertal This should be fine--Fink is set up such that packages you build will work on any Mac (except for packages that specifically won't work on a G3). One issue. Some packages have an affect on the system so this method is NOT 100%. I have not found a list of these packages, but it seems to be relatively short. The one I know for sure is passwd. But this can be easily dealt with by doing a reinstall. { Example: fink reinstall passwd} ..lj --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
[Fink-beginners] Update problem
Hi guys, When I run update-all from terminal or Commander I get this: In file included from rep-types.c:24: rep-gtk.h:294: error: conflicting types for `gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget' /sw/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.h:79: error: previous declaration of `gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget' rep-gtk.h:297: error: conflicting types for `gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_mnemonic_from_widget' /sw/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.h:77: error: previous declaration of `gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_mnemonic_from_widget' make: *** [rep-types.lo] Error 1 ### execution of make failed, exit code 2 Failed: compiling rep-gtk-0.18-12 failed [Donald-Skoogs-Computer:~] donaldsk% Any way to fix this? Don Skoog --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] offline-update with PB G3 and eMac G4
On Jul 27, 2004, at 12:09 PM, lj Palmer wrote: On Jul 27, 2004, at 07:59, Alexander K. Hansen wrote: On Jul 27, 2004, at 9:48 AM, Markus Kamp wrote: Hi, List! Here's my question: I own both a PowerBook G3 (Pismo) and an eMac (1st Rev., G4-700) My only access to the internet is a WLAN Hotspot on the campus, where I log in with the Pismo. I am using Fink on both Machines, the fink installation on the eMac was not updated since i moved. For the future, I am planning to use the same fink packages on Pismo and eMac by simply rsyncing the /sw Folders from Pismo to eMac. Does this work or should I take another approach? Since I am using some source packages I am wondering if the packages are compiled specifically for G3 or G4, depending on which Processor fink is run. Thanks, Markus -- Markus Kamp mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hahnerberger Str. 111 42349 Wuppertal This should be fine--Fink is set up such that packages you build will work on any Mac (except for packages that specifically won't work on a G3). One issue. Some packages have an affect on the system so this method is NOT 100%. I have not found a list of these packages, but it seems to be relatively short. The one I know for sure is passwd. But this can be easily dealt with by doing a reinstall. { Example: fink reinstall passwd} ..lj passwd and daemonic both do things outside the Fink tree, as well as xfree86. -- Alexander Hansen Fink Documentarian [Day Job] Levitated Dipole Experiment http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] Update problem
On Jul 27, 2004, at 12:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, When I run update-all from terminal or Commander I get this: In file included from rep-types.c:24: rep-gtk.h:294: error: conflicting types for `gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget' /sw/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.h:79: error: previous declaration of `gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget' rep-gtk.h:297: error: conflicting types for `gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_mnemonic_from_widget' /sw/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.h:77: error: previous declaration of `gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_mnemonic_from_widget' make: *** [rep-types.lo] Error 1 ### execution of make failed, exit code 2 Failed: compiling rep-gtk-0.18-12 failed [Donald-Skoogs-Computer:~] donaldsk% Any way to fix this? Don Skoog I get the same error, and last time I tried I couldn't get a hold of the package maintainer--this may have changed. -- Alexander Hansen Fink Documentarian [Day Job] Levitated Dipole Experiment http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
[Fink-beginners] Koffice
Hi, I recently downloaded, compiled and installed Koffice but cannot seem to open it. How should I start Koffice or any of its componants? Is it possible to start them from the dock? Cheers Lawrence --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idG21alloc_id040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] offline-update with PB G3 and eMac G4
At 15:48 +0200 27/7/04, Markus Kamp wrote: Hi, List! Here's my question: I own both a PowerBook G3 (Pismo) and an eMac (1st Rev., G4-700) My only access to the internet is a WLAN Hotspot on the campus, where I log in with the Pismo. I am using Fink on both Machines, the fink installation on the eMac was not updated since i moved. For the future, I am planning to use the same fink packages on Pismo and eMac by simply rsyncing the /sw Folders from Pismo to eMac. Does this work or should I take another approach? Since I am using some source packages I am wondering if the packages are compiled specifically for G3 or G4, depending on which Processor fink is run. Thanks, Markus I've had good success using a technique explained by Benjamin Reed on his blog: http://ranger.befunk.com/blog/archives/000258.html Text of the blog entry: Sharing the Fink I was recently asked how to share software between more than one fink installation. This is usually because the person has 2 (or more) machines, only one of which is fast. =) It's pretty easy to share binaries you've built on one system with another. Here's how (keep in mind these instructions will generally only work if each system is running the same major version of Mac OS X): Install Fink on the master (build) system. (If the clients already have fink installed, you can skip this step.) Copy /sw to the client systems. First you must enable Remote Login on the master box. Then, run the following on each of the client machines: sudo rsync -avzr -e ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/sw/ /sw/ Just replace [EMAIL PROTECTED] above with the username and hostname of the system to copy from. This will make a clone of the fink installation on your master box on each of the clients. On the master box, build something, and then run fink scanpackages. This will make fink generate apt indexes for all of your enabled trees. On the master box, enable Personal Web Sharing in the Sharing section of System Preferences, and then set up httpd to expose your /sw/fink directory externally. I do so by making an /etc/httpd/users/fink.conf file that contains: Alias /fink /sw/fink Directory /sw/fink Options Indexes FollowSymLinks /Directory ...and then run sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl graceful to (re)start. On the client box(es), edit /sw/etc/apt/sources.list, and add the lines representing your fink trees. For example, if my IP address of my build box at home is 192.168.42.7, the client would add: deb http://192.168.42.7/fink stable main crypto deb http://192.168.42.7/fink unstable main crypto deb http://192.168.42.7/fink local main On the client box(es), run sudo apt-get update. If all goes well, you should see something like: Hit http://192.168.42.7 stable/main Packages Hit http://192.168.42.7 stable/main Release Hit http://192.168.42.7 stable/crypto Packages ...and so on You should then be able to do sudo apt-get install package for anything that's been built on the master box. Any time you build more stuff there, you will need to re-run fink scanpackages on the master, and sudo apt-get update on the client(s). === I use this technique to build unstable packages on my G4 Dual, and then update two laptops from the G4. Kevin Horton --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] Koffice
Use the Following apple script to create a an Apple Script App that can be place in the dock. --_Start script tell application Finder launch application X11 end tell set results to do shell script cd ~; source ~/.bashrc; /sw/bin/koshelll /dev/null 21 --_End Script Save the above script as an (script)application Assumed that ~/bashrc contains a source /sw/bin/init.sh in it. ..lj On Jul 27, 2004, at 05:05, lawrence moran wrote: Hi, I recently downloaded, compiled and installed Koffice but cannot seem to open it. How should I start Koffice or any of its componants? Is it possible to start them from the dock? Cheers Lawrence --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
[Fink-beginners] kdelibs3-ssl
While trying to update-all, I get this error -- thx, Robert: /bin/rm -rf /sw/src/root-kdelibs3-ssl-shlibs-3.1.4-13 /bin/mkdir -p /sw/src/root-kdelibs3-ssl-shlibs-3.1.4-13/sw /bin/mkdir -p /sw/src/root-kdelibs3-ssl-shlibs-3.1.4-13/DEBIAN /usr/bin/install -d -m 755 /sw/src/root-kdelibs3-ssl-shlibs-3.1.4-13/sw/lib/kde3 /bin/mv /sw/src/root-kdelibs3-ssl-3.1.4-13/sw/lib/kde3/*.so /sw/src/root-kdelibs3-ssl-shlibs-3.1.4-13/sw/lib/kde3/ /bin/mv: rename /sw/src/root-kdelibs3-ssl-3.1.4-13/sw/lib/kde3/*.so to /sw/src/root-kdelibs3-ssl-shlibs-3.1.4-13/sw/lib/kde3//*.so: No such file or directory ### execution of /bin/mv failed, exit code 1 Failed: installing kdelibs3-ssl-shlibs-3.1.4-13 failed -- Package manager version: 0.20.5 Distribution version: 0.7.0.cvs Mac OS X version: 10.2.8 December 2002 Developer Tools or later gcc version: 3.3 make version: 3.79 Feedback Courtesy of FinkCommander --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
[Fink-beginners] darwin-unknown, can't install fink, message?
Hi, I just installed the Fink package (it said it worked) and then when I did fink -yv selfupdate I got --- The following package will be installed or updated: fink dpkg -i /sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-unknown/base/fink_0.20.6 -1_darwin-unknown.deb dpkg: error processing /sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-unknown/base/fink_0.20.6 -1_darwin-unknown.deb (--install): package architecture (darwin-unknown) does not match system (darwin-powerpc) Errors were encountered while processing: /sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-unknown/base/fink_0.20.6 -1_darwin-unknown.deb ### execution of dpkg failed, exit code 1 Failed: can't install package fink-0.20.6-1 --- What happened to darwin-powerpc? ... help :) I'm using a 17 powerbook G4 1ghz, 1gb memory, panther. Thanks, Patrick Alessandra Assoc. Intlernational Dallas * Ft. Worth, Texas U.S.A. (214) 335-0278 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] darwin-unknown, can't install fink, message?
Alessandra wrote: [] The following package will be installed or updated: fink dpkg -i /sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-unknown/base/fink_0.20.6 -1_darwin-unknown.deb dpkg: error processing /sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-unknown/base/fink_0.20.6 -1_darwin-unknown.deb (--install): package architecture (darwin-unknown) does not match system (darwin-powerpc) Errors were encountered while processing: /sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-unknown/base/fink_0.20.6 -1_darwin-unknown.deb ### execution of dpkg failed, exit code 1 Failed: can't install package fink-0.20.6-1 --- What happened to darwin-powerpc? ... help :) You have a broken uname executable somewhere on your PATH, probably in /usr/local/bin. Trash it. -- Martin --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners