[Fink-devel] MatchPackageRegEx

[Ben Hines]

Cool feature, but i don't like the name of the setting... it is 
confusing. "Will match?" then do what? Ignore those, or choose those? 
:) (i presume choose)

How about something like DefaultPackageMatch: 

Newbies who don't know what a regex is can just put ssl there, and it 
will all make sense and be more clear IMO.

-Ben

On Nov 19, 2003, at 5:29 AM, Peter O'Gorman wrote:

+.Sh ADVANCED SETTINGS
+There are some other options which may be useful, but require some 
knowledge to get right.
+.Bl -tag -width flag
+.It Cm MatchPackageRegEx
+Causes fink not to ask which package to install if one (and only one) 
of the choices matches
+the perl Regular Expression given here.
+Example:
+MatchPackageRegEx: (.*-ssl$|^xfree86$|^xfree86-shlibs$)
+Will match packages ending in -ssl and match xfree86 and 
xfree86-shlibs exactly.


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[Fink-devel] Fink::FinkVersion dependency fixed

[Michael G Schwern]

I've changed the test target so that setup.sh will be run before the tests.
It uses t/basepath as the basepath.  This should make available for testing 
all the programs and libraries in fink and allows one to run the tests
without having fink previously installed.  Fink::FinkVersion is now generated.


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Re: [Fink-devel] Failed make test

[Michael G Schwern]

On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 07:33:50PM -0500, David R. Morrison wrote:
> Well, this one is easy to understand, but I'm not sure how to fix it.
> 
> In the "fink" CVS module, we have a file perlmod/Fink/FinkVersion.pm.in .
> That is processed with some sed magic in the setup.sh script.  So naturally,
> there is a "compile failure" when FinkVersion.pm is invoked.

I thought I posted about this last week, but the message doesn't seem to
have made it.

There's only two variables used in Fink::FinkVersion that requires it to be 
generated.  @BASEPATH@ and @[EMAIL PROTECTED]  @VERSION@ comes from the VERSION file 
but can't it get @BASEPATH@ from Fink::Config like everything else?  In fact
that seems more robust since now it will properly honor your basepath in
fink.conf.

Fink::Config doesn't use Fink::FinkVersion so I don't think there's any
dependency loop to worry about.

Once that's eliminated we can put the little @VERSION@ replacement line into
the Makefile easy enough and make sure Fink::FinkVersion is generated
before the tests are run.

I'll work on that now.


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Re: [Fink-devel] "make test" failure report (run on CVS HEAD, just now)

[Michael G Schwern]

On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 10:20:21AM -0500, David R. Morrison wrote:
> ./Command/failure...# Failed test (./Command/failure.t at line 106)
> # Failed test (./Command/failure.t at line 156)
> #  got: undef
> # expected: '1069341580'
> # Looks like you failed 2 tests of 45.
> dubious
>   Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200)
> DIED. FAILED tests 28, 38
>   Failed 2/45 tests, 95.56% okay

Ok, now we're getitng somewhere.  What those two tests have in common
is they both involve being root and then dropping privledges by switching to
user "nobody".  I hard coded in uid -2 which is what nobody is on my
machine, but it could be wrong for you.  Could you check /etc/passwd
and see what uid nobody has?  Also unknown.

Meanwhile, let me try to make that test not assume nobody is -2.  It'll
check getpwnam() to find an unprivledged user.  Try the new version.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Don't disable tests. Report the failure. (was Re: fink ChangeLog,1.181,1.182 Makefile,1.4,1.5)

[Michael G Schwern]

On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 10:06:10AM -0500, Benjamin Reed wrote:
> >Doesn't matter.  The test-harness-pm probably isn't using UNINST=1 so
> >its probably shadowed by the original version in 5.6.0, too.
> 
> Uninstalling the original version in 5.6.0 is against Fink policy 
> though.  Shouldn't it still be finding ours first if we're setting PERL5LIB?

Looks like it is.  So something else is going wrong.


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Re: [Fink-devel] sources for xc-20031117.tar.bz2

[Dave Vasilevsky]

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On Nov 20, 2003, at 4:14 PM, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:

And http://cvs.debian.org/debian-cd/Attic/pkg-order makes interesting 
reading.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=pkg-order&archive=yes 
as well.

"Hi,

I have asked pkg-order to be removed from the distribution.
 The reasons for this were many:
[snip]

Even though manoj removed pkg-order from Debian, it seems that some 
folks still find it useful. If it breaks, I may not put any effort into 
fixing it, but as long as it works, I see no reason to remove it from 
Fink. Is there any problem with keeping unmaintained (upstream) 
packages in Fink?

Dave
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Re: [Fink-devel] Failed make test

[David R. Morrison]

And by the way, apparently the reason you're not seeing the other errors
I saw (and reported here today, albeit belatedly), is that you ran "make
test" as an ordinary user and the dubious tests were skipped, whereas
I ran "sudo make test" (thus mimicking the behavior of fink when it 
installs the fink package manager).

  -- Dave


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Re: [Fink-devel] Failed make test

[David R. Morrison]

Well, this one is easy to understand, but I'm not sure how to fix it.

In the "fink" CVS module, we have a file perlmod/Fink/FinkVersion.pm.in .
That is processed with some sed magic in the setup.sh script.  So naturally,
there is a "compile failure" when FinkVersion.pm is invoked.

  -- Dave



Darian Lanx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Here is the output. The CVS up -Pd is maybe 5 minutes old
> 
> mule:~/tmpdir/fink$ make test
> ./00compile.NOK 31# Failed test (./00compile.t at 
> line 20)
> #  got: 'Can't locate Fink/FinkVersion.pm in @INC (@INC 
> contains: ../perlmod /Library/Perl/darwin /Library/Perl/darwin 
> /Library/Perl /Library/Perl/darwin /Library/Perl/darwin /Library/Perl 
> /Library/Perl/darwin /Library/Perl /Network/Library/Perl/darwin 
> /Network/Library/Perl /Network/Library/Perl . /Library/Perl/darwin 
> /Library/Perl /Library/Perl/darwin /Library/Perl /Library/Perl 
> /Network/Library/Perl/darwin /Network/Library/Perl /Network/Library/Perl 
> .) at ../perlmod/Fink/SelfUpdate.pm line 31.
> # BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ../perlmod/Fink/SelfUpdate.pm 
> line 31.
> # Compilation failed in require at (eval 37) line 3.
> # '
> # expected: ''
> ./00compile.ok 45/0# Looks like you failed 1 tests of 
> 45.
> ./00compile.dubious 
> 
>  Test returned status 1 (wstat 256, 0x100)
> DIED. FAILED test 31
>  Failed 1/45 tests, 97.78% okay
> ./Base/initialize...ok 
> 
> ./Base/paramok 
> 
> ./Base/param_booleanok 
> 
> ./Command/cat...ok 
> 
> ./Command/chowname..skipped
>  all skipped: You must be root to test chowname
> ./Command/commands..ok 
> 
> ./Command/exports...ok 
> 
> ./Command/failure...ok 
> 
>  9/45 skipped: You must be root
> ./Command/touch.ok 
> 
> ./Config/exportsok 
> 
> ./Config/load_save..ok 
> 
> ./Config/optionsok 
> 
> ./Config/param..ok 
> 
> ./Config/verbosity_levelok 
> 
> ./Mirror/exportsok 
> 
> ./PkgVersion/get_perl...ok 
> 
> Failed Test   Stat Wstat Total Fail  Failed  List of Failed
> - ---
> ./00compile.t1   256451   2.22%  31
> 1 test and 9 subtests skipped.
> Failed 1/17 test scripts, 94.12% okay. 1/445 subtests failed, 99.78% okay.
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Re: [Fink-devel] selfupdate-cvs broken?

[Martin Costabel]

Darian Lanx wrote:

Please note. If you are using the "unstable" package manager versioned 
0.17.1 and you are NOT behind a firewall or a developer, please use fink 
selfupdate-rsync to switch to the now preferred rsync method and then 
fink selfupdate subsequently. CVS updating is only a last resort method 
now for users. But you could see is as "deprecated" for general use. 
selfupdate via rsync _is_ the suggested method now ;)
Right now, selfupdate-cvs is working rather well, whereas the rsync 
method is still very new, has bugs (*), and still has to prove that it 
is reliable in the long run. I would warn against relying exclusively on it.

(*) The bug that prevented removal of old files seems to be fixed for 
hte users in the latest fink, but a similar bug must exist in the 
mirroring code: The mirror rjk.hr.eu.finkmirrors.net has old info files 
that lead to annoying warnings. See the thread  "Unable to parse the 
line" on fink-users.

--
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[Fink-devel] Failed make test

[Darian Lanx]

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Here is the output. The CVS up -Pd is maybe 5 minutes old

mule:~/tmpdir/fink$ make test
./00compile.NOK 31# Failed test (./00compile.t at 
line 20)
#  got: 'Can't locate Fink/FinkVersion.pm in @INC (@INC 
contains: ../perlmod /Library/Perl/darwin /Library/Perl/darwin 
/Library/Perl /Library/Perl/darwin /Library/Perl/darwin /Library/Perl 
/Library/Perl/darwin /Library/Perl /Network/Library/Perl/darwin 
/Network/Library/Perl /Network/Library/Perl . /Library/Perl/darwin 
/Library/Perl /Library/Perl/darwin /Library/Perl /Library/Perl 
/Network/Library/Perl/darwin /Network/Library/Perl /Network/Library/Perl 
.) at ../perlmod/Fink/SelfUpdate.pm line 31.
# BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ../perlmod/Fink/SelfUpdate.pm 
line 31.
# Compilation failed in require at (eval 37) line 3.
# '
# expected: ''
./00compile.ok 45/0# Looks like you failed 1 tests of 
45.
./00compile.dubious 

Test returned status 1 (wstat 256, 0x100)
DIED. FAILED test 31
Failed 1/45 tests, 97.78% okay
./Base/initialize...ok 

./Base/paramok 

./Base/param_booleanok 

./Command/cat...ok 

./Command/chowname..skipped
all skipped: You must be root to test chowname
./Command/commands..ok 

./Command/exports...ok 

./Command/failure...ok 

9/45 skipped: You must be root
./Command/touch.ok 

./Config/exportsok 

./Config/load_save..ok 

./Config/optionsok 

./Config/param..ok 

./Config/verbosity_levelok 

./Mirror/exportsok 

./PkgVersion/get_perl...ok 

Failed Test   Stat Wstat Total Fail  Failed  List of Failed
- ---
./00compile.t1   256451   2.22%  31
1 test and 9 subtests skipped.
Failed 1/17 test scripts, 94.12% okay. 1/445 subtests failed, 99.78% okay.
make: *** [test] Error 1
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Re: [Fink-devel] selfupdate-cvs broken?

[Darian Lanx]

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Anthony DeRobertis wrote:



Please note. If you are using the "unstable" package manager versioned 
0.17.1 and you are NOT behind a firewall or a developer, please use fink 
selfupdate-rsync to switch to the now preferred rsync method and then 
fink selfupdate subsequently. CVS updating is only a last resort method 
now for users. But you could see is as "deprecated" for general use. 
selfupdate via rsync _is_ the suggested method now ;)



Thank you

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Re: [Fink-devel] selfupdate-cvs broken?

[Alexander K. Hansen]

This is in the FAQ:

http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#cvs-busy

I'd bet the problem isn't in x11-wm

On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 03:57 PM, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:

U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/fvwm2-2.4.15-11.patch
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/fvwm2-no-gnome-2.4.15-11.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/icewm-1.2.2-1.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/icewm-1.2.2-1.patch
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/icewm-basic-1.2.2-1.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/icewm-basic-1.2.2-1.patch
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/obconf.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/openbox.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/sawfish-1.1-16.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/startup-notification.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/windowmaker-0.80.1-3.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/windowmaker-0.80.1-3.patch
### execution of su failed, exit code 1
Failed: Updating using CVS failed. Check the error messages above.
Fermi:~ anthony$
This is after I already did an sudo rm * in 
10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/; any idea what's up (or not, as 
the case may be)?



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Re: [Fink-devel] selfupdate-cvs broken?

[TheSin]

yes x11-wm isn't the problem, those are all Us look for an other letter 
higher up

  -TS

On 20-Nov-03, at 1:57 PM, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:

U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/fvwm2-2.4.15-11.patch
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/fvwm2-no-gnome-2.4.15-11.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/icewm-1.2.2-1.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/icewm-1.2.2-1.patch
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/icewm-basic-1.2.2-1.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/icewm-basic-1.2.2-1.patch
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/obconf.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/openbox.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/sawfish-1.1-16.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/startup-notification.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/windowmaker-0.80.1-3.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/windowmaker-0.80.1-3.patch
### execution of su failed, exit code 1
Failed: Updating using CVS failed. Check the error messages above.
Fermi:~ anthony$
This is after I already did an sudo rm * in 
10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/; any idea what's up (or not, as 
the case may be)?



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Re: [Fink-devel] sources for xc-20031117.tar.bz2

[Anthony DeRobertis]

On Nov 20, 2003, at 14:47, Alexander K. Hansen wrote:

This can happen if the upstream site (and mirrors) removes the tarball  
before it gets mirrored onto the master (opendarwin) site.  I got  
bitten this way by pkg-order, which has apparently been purged by  
Debian.
http://archive.debian.org/dists/potato/main/source/misc/pkg- 
order_1.12.dsc
http://archive.debian.org/dists/potato/main/source/misc/pkg- 
order_1.12.tar.gz

And http://cvs.debian.org/debian-cd/Attic/pkg-order makes interesting  
reading.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=pkg-order&archive=yes  
as well.

"Hi,

I have asked pkg-order to be removed from the distribution.
 The reasons for this were many:
   a) This no longer scratches an itch that I have. This is reflected
  in the fact that there have been grave bugs reported before
  releasing potato that have not been solved; and there has been
  no updates since July 2000.
   b) This package was meant top be a library package; and that seems
  to have been a dismal failure. Apart from the few example
  scripts distributed with the libs, nothing was ever built on top
  of it
   c) Reading the Status file is a kludgey way to do what this package
  does
   d) dpkg and apt have evolved since the package was written; and,
  really, in order to not have to track stuff like that this
  package needs be rewritten in terms of libapt
   e) This needs to be redone in C++ or something.
   f) Some of the motivation of this package is already addressed by
  modern apt capabilities.
	Thanks for your interest in pkg order

	manoj"



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[Fink-devel] selfupdate-cvs broken?

[Anthony DeRobertis]

U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/fvwm2-2.4.15-11.patch
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/fvwm2-no-gnome-2.4.15-11.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/icewm-1.2.2-1.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/icewm-1.2.2-1.patch
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/icewm-basic-1.2.2-1.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/icewm-basic-1.2.2-1.patch
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/obconf.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/openbox.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/sawfish-1.1-16.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/startup-notification.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/windowmaker-0.80.1-3.info
U 10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/windowmaker-0.80.1-3.patch
### execution of su failed, exit code 1
Failed: Updating using CVS failed. Check the error messages above.
Fermi:~ anthony$
This is after I already did an sudo rm * in 
10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm/; any idea what's up (or not, as the 
case may be)?



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Re: [Fink-devel] sources for xc-20031117.tar.bz2

[Benjamin Reed]

Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

"Alexander" == Alexander K Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Alexander> I don't believe that there's an automatic method:  I usually wind up
Alexander> grep'ing to find stuff like this.
Ahh, found it.  Paging Benjamin Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... your
xfree86.info file is broken - mentioning xc-20031117.tar.bz2 which
as far as I can tell never existed anywhere. :(
Yes, I had uploaded to sourceforge but failed to "release" it through 
the sourceforge admin, so it disappeared into the ether.  It should be 
making it's way to the mirrors now.

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Re: [Fink-devel] sources for xc-20031117.tar.bz2

[Randal L. Schwartz]

> "Alexander" == Alexander K Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Alexander> I don't believe that there's an automatic method:  I usually wind up
Alexander> grep'ing to find stuff like this.

Ahh, found it.  Paging Benjamin Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... your
xfree86.info file is broken - mentioning xc-20031117.tar.bz2 which
as far as I can tell never existed anywhere. :(

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Re: [Fink-devel] sources for xc-20031117.tar.bz2

[Alexander K. Hansen]

This can happen if the upstream site (and mirrors) removes the tarball 
before it gets mirrored onto the master (opendarwin) site.  I got 
bitten this way by pkg-order, which has apparently been purged by 
Debian.

I believe that testing has historically relied on users reporting bad 
links or people running "fink fetch-all" from time to time.

I don't believe that there's an automatic method:  I usually wind up 
grep'ing to find stuff like this.

On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 01:43 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

I'm curious about how packages get commited, and yet the source
for that package doesn't seem to be in *any* of the places listed
for sources.  In particular, xc-20031117.tar.bz2 can't be found
anywhere, and I've tried repeatedly for the past 24 hours.
Do the packages committed get tested to ensure the sources are
available for at least part of the time?  Or is this a rogue package
wanting this source?
Also, is there any easy way to see which package wants a particular 
source?

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Re: [Fink-devel] Phasing out references to Mac OS X 10.1 (Doc Maintainers?)

[Alexander K. Hansen]

One place where we shouldn't touch the existing reference is the 
package database page:  10.1 users should have available exactly what 
versions of packages exist for them.

Unless we want just to have a separate 10.1-specific document which 
includes that information.  That would involve a fair amount of effort, 
but could be done.

On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Darian Lanx wrote:

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I disagree.  As far as I know, our 10.1 distribution still works.  
Anyone
who bought a Mac or a copy of OS X prior to September 2002 and who did
not choose to pay for an upgrade will still be running 10.1.
We can de-emphasize it, sure, but it is already de-emphasized.
  -- Dave
It is no longer supported thus there should be no mention of it on the 
main pages and all over the web-site. I am not opposed to making a "no 
longer supported" page.

Just my two cents.
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[Fink-devel] Re: [Fink-users] libmikmod 3.1.10-2: Bad Download URL in .info File

[Alexander K. Hansen]

This happens:  fink-devel is the place to send messages about 
unmaintained packages -- I've cc'ed them.

On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 01:45 PM, Emily Jackson wrote:

The download URL for this package () leads to a file with the wrong size
and an incorrect checksum. When I tried to access the directory
containing the file to see what was going on, I was redirected to an
"adult" site. :-\ After some googling, I did find another download URL
for this package's source code (), and the package built
without any problems. I would have contacted the package maintainer, 
but
there isn't one.

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Re: [Fink-devel] "WARNING: Unable to parse ..." after upgrade

[Rob Braun]

You're right, it probably should.  What is currently
in 0.17.1 should work with virtually all versions of rsync
(as long as 'rsync' is really rsync).  But, an explicit path
is more reliable.

Rob

On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 10:35:20PM -0800, Ben Hines wrote:
> Really fink should not be calling 'rsync'. It should be using 
> /usr/bin/rsync in any case, just like every single other external call 
> in fink does. I see no reason to deviate and trust whatever program a 
> user has that might be called rsync.
> 
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Re: [Fink-devel] Phasing out references to Mac OS X 10.1 (Doc Maintainers?)

[Alexander K. Hansen]

I see postings on the lists every so often for people who are still on 
10.1.x, but I'm not against this.

In any case we need to update the docs for 10.3-specific issues, 
particularly the Running X11 document.

On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 12:54 PM, Darian Lanx wrote:

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Is anyone opposed to phasing out all references to Mac OS X 10.1 ?
This would of course also put you, Alexander and htodd on the line to 
look into the docu and FAQ.

Sometimes 10.1 might be needed to state something but on the download 
page it should definitely be removed.

Please let me know what you think

- -d

PS: This is of course for the Web-site and any docu we might be 
distributing

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Re: [Fink-devel] Phasing out references to Mac OS X 10.1 (Doc Maintainers?)

[Darian Lanx]

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I disagree.  As far as I know, our 10.1 distribution still works.  Anyone
who bought a Mac or a copy of OS X prior to September 2002 and who did
not choose to pay for an upgrade will still be running 10.1.
We can de-emphasize it, sure, but it is already de-emphasized.

  -- Dave
It is no longer supported thus there should be no mention of it on the 
main pages and all over the web-site. I am not opposed to making a "no 
longer supported" page.

Just my two cents.
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Re: [Fink-devel] Phasing out references to Mac OS X 10.1 (Doc Maintainers?)

[David R. Morrison]

I disagree.  As far as I know, our 10.1 distribution still works.  Anyone
who bought a Mac or a copy of OS X prior to September 2002 and who did
not choose to pay for an upgrade will still be running 10.1.

We can de-emphasize it, sure, but it is already de-emphasized.

  -- Dave


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[Fink-devel] sources for xc-20031117.tar.bz2

[Randal L. Schwartz]

I'm curious about how packages get commited, and yet the source
for that package doesn't seem to be in *any* of the places listed
for sources.  In particular, xc-20031117.tar.bz2 can't be found
anywhere, and I've tried repeatedly for the past 24 hours.

Do the packages committed get tested to ensure the sources are
available for at least part of the time?  Or is this a rogue package
wanting this source?

Also, is there any easy way to see which package wants a particular source?

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[Fink-devel] Phasing out references to Mac OS X 10.1 (Doc Maintainers?)

[Darian Lanx]

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Hello all.

Is anyone opposed to phasing out all references to Mac OS X 10.1 ?
This would of course also put you, Alexander and htodd on the line to 
look into the docu and FAQ.

Sometimes 10.1 might be needed to state something but on the download 
page it should definitely be removed.

Please let me know what you think

- -d

PS: This is of course for the Web-site and any docu we might be distributing

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[Fink-devel] Re: -fast flag ?

[Darian Lanx]

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Hi,

I see packages coming up in 10.3 that set the '-fast' flag
_ eg, agrep, in the patch (after correcting 644 to 755 in
the first install command and fixing the second...)
My understanding is that some mechanism would then
be needed in fink to automatically add the appropriate
-mcpu and -mtune flags.
Is this contemplated ? Or excluded on the principle that
all debs must be identical ??
No, that was a slip up by me. As you can tell that package was done 
quite swiftly and a bit hastily. I have a dual G5 I test this on and i 
wanted to see how much -fast can tune code as simple as the one in 
agrep. Thus I forgot to remove it from the patch again. However, as I 
have not received any complaints about the program not running they 
either all have G5 or it simply doe snot much on G4's

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[Fink-devel] -fast flag ?

[jfm]

Hi,

I see packages coming up in 10.3 that set the '-fast' flag
_ eg, agrep, in the patch (after correcting 644 to 755 in
the first install command and fixing the second...)
My understanding is that some mechanism would then
be needed in fink to automatically add the appropriate
-mcpu and -mtune flags.
Is this contemplated ? Or excluded on the principle that
all debs must be identical ??
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Re: [Fink-devel] Don't disable tests. Report the failure. (was Re: fink ChangeLog,1.181,1.182 Makefile,1.4,1.5)

["D. Höhn"]

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| David is the Project lead :)  If he is asking then the fink-core doesn't
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|
I am the project lead? Gee thank you Justin ;)

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Re: [Fink-devel] Don't disable tests. Report the failure. (was Re: fink ChangeLog,1.181,1.182 Makefile,1.4,1.5)

[Peter O'Gorman]

Benjamin Reed wrote:

> Uninstalling the original version in 5.6.0 is against Fink policy
> though.  Shouldn't it still be finding ours first if we're setting
> PERL5LIB?
I don't know the exact problem here, but from a clean bootstrap we do
not set PERL5LIB. The failures weren't from bootstrap though, were they?
I do see Michael's point, it is quite difficult to guess the problem
with no information :)
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Re: [Fink-devel] Don't disable tests. Report the failure. (was Re: fink ChangeLog,1.181,1.182 Makefile,1.4,1.5)

[TheSin]

I sent you all the failures in my message.

  -TS

On 20-Nov-03, at 7:47 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote:

Again, unless I can see the failure report this is complete guesswork.


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[Fink-devel] guile-1.4-7

[Roland May]

when doing an update-all, guile-1.4-7 told me that gcc 3.1 was needed; 
the installation process did not accept the newly installed gcc 3.3 
(august 2003 patch)

I then used the "sudo gcc_select 3" command which made the update work. 
 After tat , I returned to "sudo gcc_select 3.3"

Regards

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[Fink-devel] "make test" failure report (run on CVS HEAD, just now)

[David R. Morrison]

./00compile.ok
./Base/initialize...ok
./Base/paramok
./Base/param_booleanok
./Command/cat...ok
./Command/chowname..ok
./Command/commands..ok
./Command/exports...ok
./Command/failure...# Failed test (./Command/failure.t at line 106)
# Failed test (./Command/failure.t at line 156)
#  got: undef
# expected: '1069341580'
# Looks like you failed 2 tests of 45.
dubious
Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200)
DIED. FAILED tests 28, 38
Failed 2/45 tests, 95.56% okay
./Command/touch.ok
./Config/exportsok
./Config/load_save..ok
./Config/optionsok
./Config/param..ok
./Config/verbosity_levelok
./Mirror/exportsok
./PkgVersion/get_perl...ok
Failed 1/17 test scripts, 94.12% okay. 2/454 subtests failed, 99.56% okay.
Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail  Failed  List of Failed
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Re: [Fink-devel] Don't disable tests. Report the failure. (was Re: fink ChangeLog,1.181,1.182 Makefile,1.4,1.5)

[TheSin]

David is the Project lead :)  If he is asking then the fink-core 
doesn't know :)

  -TS

On 20-Nov-03, at 7:47 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote:

Yes, I know.  As mentioned the fink-core guys are aware of it and it 
looks
like the testing packages will be going into bootstrap.


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Re: [Fink-devel] Don't disable tests. Report the failure. (was Re: fink ChangeLog,1.181,1.182 Makefile,1.4,1.5)

[TheSin]

I think most of these are mine, and I haven't updated perl mods since 
WWDC since I didn't know how i was gonna handle this.

  -TS

On 20-Nov-03, at 7:35 AM, David R. Morrison wrote:

  -- Dave

P.S. Fink claims that my test-harness-pm, test-inline-pm, and
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Re: [Fink-devel] Don't disable tests. Report the failure. (was Re: fink ChangeLog,1.181,1.182 Makefile,1.4,1.5)

[David R. Morrison]

> Run "perl -MTest::Harness -wle 'print $Test::Harness::VERSION'" and let me
> know what it says.  

2.26

> If its less than 2.00 then you have a shadowing
> problem.  Check "perldoc -l Test::Harness" to find out what file Perl is
> loading for Test::Harness.

/sw/lib/perl5/Test/Harness.pm

  -- Dave


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Re: [Fink-devel] Don't disable tests. Report the failure. (was Re: fink ChangeLog,1.181,1.182 Makefile,1.4,1.5)

[Benjamin Reed]

Michael G Schwern wrote:

P.S. Fink claims that my test-harness-pm, test-inline-pm, and
test-simple-pm packages are up to date.
Doesn't matter.  The test-harness-pm probably isn't using UNINST=1 so
its probably shadowed by the original version in 5.6.0, too.
Uninstalling the original version in 5.6.0 is against Fink policy 
though.  Shouldn't it still be finding ours first if we're setting PERL5LIB?

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Re: [Fink-devel] Don't disable tests. Report the failure. (was Re: fink ChangeLog,1.181,1.182 Makefile,1.4,1.5)

[Michael G Schwern]

On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 09:35:38AM -0500, David R. Morrison wrote:
> > To fix, try reinstalling Test::Harness from 
> > http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Harness/ and use "make install UNINST=1"
> > to make sure the old version is deleted.
> 
> This is not The Fink Way (TM). :)

No, this is The Try This And See If It Solves Your Problem While We Work On
A Proper Solution (TM).  And I still haven't gotten a failure report so this
is all guesswork.  Could you please run "make test /tmp/test.out 2>&1" and 
post that? 


> We need robust fink packages for 5.6.0 which install the Test:: code
> in whatever way its going to be needed by the testing suite.  Obviously,
> these are the packages which we'll want to put into the 10.2 bootstrap.

Yes, I know.  As mentioned the fink-core guys are aware of it and it looks
like the testing packages will be going into bootstrap.


> P.S. Fink claims that my test-harness-pm, test-inline-pm, and
> test-simple-pm packages are up to date.

Doesn't matter.  The test-harness-pm probably isn't using UNINST=1 so
its probably shadowed by the original version in 5.6.0, too.

Run "perl -MTest::Harness -wle 'print $Test::Harness::VERSION'" and let me
know what it says.  If its less than 2.00 then you have a shadowing
problem.  Check "perldoc -l Test::Harness" to find out what file Perl is
loading for Test::Harness.

Again, unless I can see the failure report this is complete guesswork.


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[Fink-devel] Perl testing docs

[Michael G Schwern]

Here's some links to tutorials about how Perl's testing system works.

Test::Tutorial.  Enough to get you going.
perldoc Test::Tutorial
http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Simple/lib/Test/Tutorial.pod

Test::Simple.  The simplest possible testing library.  One function.
Good place to start.  Forward compatible with Test::More.
perldoc Test::Simple
http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Simple/lib/Test/Simple.pm

Test::More.  The standard issue Perl testing module.  All the fink tests
are written using this so far.
perldoc Test::More
http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Simple/lib/Test/More.pm

Slides of the Testing Tutorial given at OSCON last year.  Basically an
expanded version of Test::Tutorial.
http://wgz.org/chromatic/talks/TestTutorial/index.html

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Perl mailing list for testing issues.
http://nntp.x.perl.org/group/perl.qa


To run the test suite:  make test

To run a single test:  cd t && perl -I../perlmod directory/thattest.t
The tests expect to be run from t/.  You can also run the tests in the
debugger, just like any other program.

In the end, tests are just another small Perl program.  What makes it
a test is that it prints out "ok" when things pass and "not ok" when they
fail.  Other than that, its just a normal program.

If you're experiencing a failure and can't figure out why or how to fix it,
at the very least post the failure to fink-devel.  If you're not sure how
much to post, just trap the whole output of "make test" and post that.
Too much information is better than not enough.  The failing tests contain
diagnostic information that's often enough to figure out what's gone wrong.


PS  Write O'Reilly and tell them a perl testing book would be a GREAT IDEA! ;)


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Re: [Fink-devel] Don't disable tests. Report the failure. (was Re: fink ChangeLog,1.181,1.182 Makefile,1.4,1.5)

[David R. Morrison]

> To fix, try reinstalling Test::Harness from 
> http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Harness/ and use "make install UNINST=1"
> to make sure the old version is deleted.

This is not The Fink Way (TM). :)

We need robust fink packages for 5.6.0 which install the Test:: code
in whatever way its going to be needed by the testing suite.  Obviously,
these are the packages which we'll want to put into the 10.2 bootstrap.

  -- Dave

P.S. Fink claims that my test-harness-pm, test-inline-pm, and
test-simple-pm packages are up to date.


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Re: [Fink-devel] Don't disable tests. Report the failure. (was Re: fink ChangeLog,1.181,1.182 Makefile,1.4,1.5)

[Michael G Schwern]

On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 08:28:04AM -0500, David R. Morrison wrote:
> On the other hand, very few of the fink developers have any experience with
> any of the perl testing stuff.  This makes it hard to even know how to
> report a failure.

At the very least just cut & paste the failing portion of the 'make test'
output fink-devel.  Simple as that.  Then we can go from there.  When in
doubt, copy the whole thing.  "make test > /tmp/test.out 2>&1"

Too much information is better than too little or none at all.

I'll post up some testing docs in a bit.


> My saga yesterday evening started when -- in the interests of trying out
> somebody's recent change to the code -- I attempted to install the
> fink package manager from CVS HEAD.  Problem #1 was that the most recent
> commit had a bug which kept stuff from compiling.  So I backtracked one
> step in CVS, and then ran into problems with the tests in failure.t .
> 
> The testing suite has now been fully integrated into fink, so that (for
> example) anyone trying to install from CVS HEAD will be unable to do so
> unless "make test" succeeds. 

This may be premature.  The dependency on Test::More hasn't been formally
resolved so 5.6.0 users will have to resolve it manually.


> (And by the way, why are we always finding
> that there is "1 unexpected success" during testing?  Shouldn't an
> "unexpected success" count as a failure?)

No.  When you've written a test for a bug that hasn't been fixed yet or
a feature that hasn't been written, the test will fail.  Instead of 
commenting the test out you can declare it TODO.  This means the test
will be run but a failure will be ignored and all diagnostics supressed
about the failure supressed.  If the test starts passing an
"unexpected success" will be reported.  That means the bug has been fixed.

So you've got a programmatic TODO list and a way to know when old bugs have
been fixed.

That one was mkdir_p() setting $! on failure.  I must have fixed it while
fixing something else.  Since the test was TODO instead of commented out
we now know the bug is fixed.  I've removed the TODO flags from that test.


> That's all fine and good, but creates problems for working on the code
> if there is a bug in the testing suite that I don't understand in the 
> least.  I checked on IRC, and most folks did not experience the bug but
> a few of us did.

I suspect I know the problem.  Likely when you installed Test::More,
Test::Harness didn't get upgraded.  This happens sometimes.  The failure.t
test is the only one with TODO tests in it.  Test::Harness before 5.8.0
doesn't understand TODO tests, it thinks they're failures.  If you have
5.6.0 you might have an old version.  Installing Test::More is supposed
to upgrade Test::Harness, but sometimes the old version "shadows" the new
one.

To fix, try reinstalling Test::Harness from 
http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Harness/ and use "make install UNINST=1"
to make sure the old version is deleted.

It looks like the plan is to put test-simple-pm and test-harness-pm into
bootstrap to solve this sort of problem.  Until then it might not
be a bad idea to remove running the tests from the installation process.
I'll do that now.


> My personal workaround was to comment out the "make test" line from
> fink.info.in, allowing the new fink to be installed to that I could continue
> to work.  As Ben Reed pointed out to me on IRC, the failure was happening
> in the new Command.pm module which isn't even being used in fink yet.

Its not currently being used, but it will be used.  There's a patch to 
replace most of the execute() calls with Fink::Command.  I decided to wait 
on it until some more eyes looked at it.  Meanwhile, its nice to know if
Fink::Command works or not.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=841381&group_id=17203&atid=317203


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Re: [Fink-devel] Fwd: Your message to fink-core awaits moderator approval

[Benjamin Reed]

TheSin wrote:

I agree and the same with gnome-core
Yeah, I've fixed it and signed up both fink-core and fink-gnome-core to 
gmane so we should get archives.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Don't disable tests. Report the failure. (was Re: fink ChangeLog,1.181,1.182 Makefile,1.4,1.5)

[TheSin]

well 50% of the ppl couldn't install from HEAD, which is bad and 
posting to fink-devel won't help unless you write it, we had most of 
the project admins and some others looking into it, but we have no idea 
how these .t files work and COmmand.pm isn't even being used.  And they 
won't be forgotten that is why i emailed you.  You are the only one 
working on this, but fink can't fail to install specially over a file 
we don't use.

  -TS

On 19-Nov-03, at 10:01 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:

Again, don't disable tests.  If you disable the tests when they fail
they'll be ignored and will never get fixed.  Your impulse should be
to fix the failure or at least analyze it or at the very least report
and error.  There's no point in having a test suite if the only reason 
its
passing is because anything that fails gets commented out.


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Re: [Fink-devel] Fwd: Your message to fink-core awaits moderator approval

[TheSin]

I agree and the same with gnome-core

  -TS

On 19-Nov-03, at 11:27 PM, Ben Hines wrote:

This is not acceptible. fink-core is listed as maintainer for a ton of 
fink packages, the address needs to be accepting email.

For that matter, the list should be open to all who want to monitor 
and aid with the maintenance of those packages.

-Ben

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Re: [Fink-devel] Don't disable tests. Report the failure. (was Re: fink ChangeLog,1.181,1.182 Makefile,1.4,1.5)

[David R. Morrison]

I completely agree that tests should not be disabled.

On the other hand, very few of the fink developers have any experience with
any of the perl testing stuff.  This makes it hard to even know how to
report a failure.

My saga yesterday evening started when -- in the interests of trying out
somebody's recent change to the code -- I attempted to install the
fink package manager from CVS HEAD.  Problem #1 was that the most recent
commit had a bug which kept stuff from compiling.  So I backtracked one
step in CVS, and then ran into problems with the tests in failure.t .

The testing suite has now been fully integrated into fink, so that (for
example) anyone trying to install from CVS HEAD will be unable to do so
unless "make test" succeeds.  (And by the way, why are we always finding
that there is "1 unexpected success" during testing?  Shouldn't an
"unexpected success" count as a failure?)

That's all fine and good, but creates problems for working on the code
if there is a bug in the testing suite that I don't understand in the 
least.  I checked on IRC, and most folks did not experience the bug but
a few of us did.

I find the failure output from "make test" to be rather cryptic, and I
don't even know what would constitute a useful bug report.

My personal workaround was to comment out the "make test" line from
fink.info.in, allowing the new fink to be installed to that I could continue
to work.  As Ben Reed pointed out to me on IRC, the failure was happening
in the new Command.pm module which isn't even being used in fink yet.

  -- Dave


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Re: [Fink-devel] "WARNING: Unable to parse ..." after upgrade

[David R. Morrison]

Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Really fink should not be calling 'rsync'. It should be using 
> /usr/bin/rsync in any case, just like every single other external call 
> in fink does. I see no reason to deviate and trust whatever program a 
> user has that might be called rsync.
> 
> -Ben
> 
> On Nov 16, 2003, at 3:33 PM, Max Horn wrote:
> 
> > And on 10.2.8, Apple shipped rsync 2.5.2. I very much would prefer if 
> > we could just update our rsync package to 2.5.6. Shouldn't be 
> > difficult. Either Bill can do it himself, or one of us can do it for 
> > him.

Yes, we found a solution which uses /usr/bin/rsync, and that's the one
which was put into fink-0.17.1.

  -- Dave


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