Re: [Fink-devel] new wine(s)

2010-12-03 Thread Max Horn

Am 01.12.2010 um 09:10 schrieb Martin Costabel:

> On 30/11/10 19:49, Max Horn wrote:
> []
>> Now, as for myself: I am going to install a modified version of the wine 
>> package, as I have done so for past versions. Specifically, I'll hack my 
>> .info file by removing all deps on arts and esound.
>> 
>> Reason: These two dependencies alone pull in a dependency on a tex 
>> installation. But I already have MacTeX installed on my system, and am not 
>> willing to install a second tex distro, just so that a few obscure packages 
>> can build documentation that I'll then never use.
> 
> Another possibility would be, of course, to create a system-texlive 
> package. It seems that many people have been waiting for this for a long 
> time. Max, are you not motivated enough to make one?

Yes, I am not motivated enough to make one ;). Doing one has many hidden 
pitfalls and issues. Making one that is sufficient for *my* needs wouldn't be a 
major problem, I think, but making it in such a way that it can act as a 
stand-in for the regular texlive package in all situations, is quite... 
"non-trivial", to put it nicely ;).


Bye,
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Re: [Fink-devel] new wine(s)

2010-12-01 Thread Dr. Damian Dimmich
Dear max,

That is essentially what I was wondering - I don't think all the possible deps 
are needed for wine. Ofcourse there may be use cases I am not aware of, but 
wine is quite a unique package with a lot of possible deps because it is 
designed to operate in many environments. I don't believe all of the possible 
deps are warranted on osx, but I do understand the benefit of giving users all 
the options for binary packages, which is why I suggested using recommends for 
certain deps. 

Anyway, my two cents, I'm of course happy to adhere to finks packaging policy.

Max:  iirc you could even do without jack as there used to be a coreaudio 
driver for the mac. 

Damian 
On 30 Nov 2010, at 18:49, Max Horn  wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> while wine is being discussed, I'd like to add the following remark -- but 
> first let me thank everybody who is working on the wine package, esp. Damian!
> 
> Now, as for myself: I am going to install a modified version of the wine 
> package, as I have done so for past versions. Specifically, I'll hack my 
> .info file by removing all deps on arts and esound. 
> 
> Reason: These two dependencies alone pull in a dependency on a tex 
> installation. But I already have MacTeX installed on my system, and am not 
> willing to install a second tex distro, just so that a few obscure packages 
> can build documentation that I'll then never use.
> 
> 
> My question: Does Wine really need to build against esound and arts? Can't 
> they just be disabled via some suitable configure options? Shouldn't jack-dev 
> be sufficient to ensure sound output? At least on my 10.6 system, it seems to 
> be...
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Max

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Re: [Fink-devel] new wine(s)

2010-12-01 Thread Alexander Hansen
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Max Horn  wrote:
>
> Am 30.11.2010 um 22:16 schrieb Dr. Damian Dimmich:
>
>> Dear max,
>>
>> That is essentially what I was wondering - I don't think all the possible 
>> deps are needed for wine. Ofcourse there may be use cases I am not aware of, 
>> but wine is quite a unique package with a lot of possible deps because it is 
>> designed to operate in many environments. I don't believe all of the 
>> possible deps are warranted on osx, but I do understand the benefit of 
>> giving users all the options for binary packages, which is why I suggested 
>> using recommends for certain deps.
>
> Well, in this case, I don't think having arts, esound *and* jack gives the 
> user any benefit. To the contrary, as my example tells.
>
> So, I think it should be safe to drop esound and arts, and add --without-esd 
> to the ConfigureParams. There seems to be no special switch to remove arts 
> support, so I wonder if that was only an indirect dependency? Or maybe they 
> dropped it from wine 1.3.3 ?
>
>>
>> Anyway, my two cents, I'm of course happy to adhere to finks packaging 
>> policy.
>>
>> Max:  iirc you could even do without jack as there used to be a coreaudio 
>> driver for the mac.
>
> Indeed, I just checked the wine configure script, and that confirms there is 
> native coreaudio support. So one could also drop the jack dependency and add
>  --without-jack
>
> I tested a modified wine 1.3.3 package from CVS and that seemed to work fine. 
> That version did not seem to have any gstreamer support, but I suppose that 
> if newer versions have it, they also offer a --without-gstreamer option or 
> so, which could be used to avoid adding that as a dependency.
>
>
> Bye,
> Max

I don't know enough about wine to know what dependencies are the most
useful.   If someone else wants to take over evaluating the updates,
go for it.

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Re: [Fink-devel] new wine(s)

2010-12-01 Thread Martin Costabel
On 30/11/10 19:49, Max Horn wrote:
[]
> Now, as for myself: I am going to install a modified version of the wine 
> package, as I have done so for past versions. Specifically, I'll hack my 
> .info file by removing all deps on arts and esound.
>
> Reason: These two dependencies alone pull in a dependency on a tex 
> installation. But I already have MacTeX installed on my system, and am not 
> willing to install a second tex distro, just so that a few obscure packages 
> can build documentation that I'll then never use.

Another possibility would be, of course, to create a system-texlive 
package. It seems that many people have been waiting for this for a long 
time. Max, are you not motivated enough to make one?

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Re: [Fink-devel] new wine(s)

2010-11-30 Thread Max Horn

Am 30.11.2010 um 22:16 schrieb Dr. Damian Dimmich:

> Dear max,
> 
> That is essentially what I was wondering - I don't think all the possible 
> deps are needed for wine. Ofcourse there may be use cases I am not aware of, 
> but wine is quite a unique package with a lot of possible deps because it is 
> designed to operate in many environments. I don't believe all of the possible 
> deps are warranted on osx, but I do understand the benefit of giving users 
> all the options for binary packages, which is why I suggested using 
> recommends for certain deps. 

Well, in this case, I don't think having arts, esound *and* jack gives the user 
any benefit. To the contrary, as my example tells.

So, I think it should be safe to drop esound and arts, and add --without-esd to 
the ConfigureParams. There seems to be no special switch to remove arts 
support, so I wonder if that was only an indirect dependency? Or maybe they 
dropped it from wine 1.3.3 ?

> 
> Anyway, my two cents, I'm of course happy to adhere to finks packaging policy.
> 
> Max:  iirc you could even do without jack as there used to be a coreaudio 
> driver for the mac. 

Indeed, I just checked the wine configure script, and that confirms there is 
native coreaudio support. So one could also drop the jack dependency and add
  --without-jack
 
I tested a modified wine 1.3.3 package from CVS and that seemed to work fine. 
That version did not seem to have any gstreamer support, but I suppose that if 
newer versions have it, they also offer a --without-gstreamer option or so, 
which could be used to avoid adding that as a dependency.


Bye,
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Re: [Fink-devel] new wine(s)

2010-11-30 Thread Max Horn
Hi there,

while wine is being discussed, I'd like to add the following remark -- but 
first let me thank everybody who is working on the wine package, esp. Damian!

Now, as for myself: I am going to install a modified version of the wine 
package, as I have done so for past versions. Specifically, I'll hack my .info 
file by removing all deps on arts and esound. 

Reason: These two dependencies alone pull in a dependency on a tex 
installation. But I already have MacTeX installed on my system, and am not 
willing to install a second tex distro, just so that a few obscure packages can 
build documentation that I'll then never use.


My question: Does Wine really need to build against esound and arts? Can't they 
just be disabled via some suitable configure options? Shouldn't jack-dev be 
sufficient to ensure sound output? At least on my 10.6 system, it seems to be...


Cheers,
Max
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Re: [Fink-devel] new wine(s)

2010-11-30 Thread Damian Dimmich
Hi Alex,

Have updated the wine in the fink tracker to include the missing deps as 
suggested.

Cheers,
Damian

On 22/11/10 21:39, Alexander Hansen wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Damian Dimmich  wrote:
>> Dear Alex,
>>
>> Feedback much appreciated.  In terms of the different builds - not all the
>> packages are required to run wine.  I can add gst-plugins-base and gstreamer
>> into the 'reccomends' section?
> No.  They change what gets built and/or linked within the package.
> You have to specify them as Depends (along with corresponding
> BuildDepends) so that everybody builds the relevant stuff, or turn
> them off explicitly for everybody.  Recommends won't suffice.
>
>> What baffles me is that libgettext is not linked in one instance, when it is
>> in the builddepends and depends lists - any ideas?
> Possibly it's brought in via some of the other libraries that got
> linked in that case.  glib2-shlibs is a likely candidate.
>
>> Wrt - 10.4 - it probably won't work well on it, as the X version there is
>> ancient, but I would not rule it out completely until someone tells me that
>> it is unusable.
>>
>> Thank you very much for testing!
>>
>> Damian
>>
>> On 22/11/10 18:28, Alexander Hansen wrote:
>>> "wine" built differently depending on what I had installed.  For the
>>> main wine package the debs even had different files in the different
>>> cases.  You'll need to specify more dependencies or use flags to
>>> exclude options.  Check the "wine" tracker item for more details.
>>>
>>> I'm currently looking at wine-stable.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Alexander Hansen
>>> wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 On 11/20/10 7:46 AM, Damian Dimmich wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The new wine packages have been in the tracker for a while and don't
> seem to have been commited:
>
> The bleeding edge devel version 1.3.6:
>
>
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3075933&group_id=17203&atid=414256
>
>
> and the stable (v1.2)
>
>
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3077940&group_id=17203&atid=414256
>
>
> I have had reports like the below:
>
> Feedback: works for me
>
 I'll take a look right now.  It doesn't work on 64-bit, correct?  (At
 least that's how it's marked)
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>>>
>>
>
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Re: [Fink-devel] new wine(s)

2010-11-24 Thread Dr. Damian Dimmich
Re 64 bit - not that I know, don't have a machine to test but don't think it 
does yet on osx - I may of course be wrong :). 

Cheers,

D

On 20 Nov 2010, at 13:38, Alexander Hansen  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On 11/20/10 7:46 AM, Damian Dimmich wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> The new wine packages have been in the tracker for a while and don't
>> seem to have been commited:
>> 
>> The bleeding edge devel version 1.3.6:
>> 
>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3075933&group_id=17203&atid=414256
>> 
>> 
>> and the stable (v1.2)
>> 
>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3077940&group_id=17203&atid=414256
>> 
>> 
>> I have had reports like the below:
>> 
>> Feedback: works for me
>> 
> 
> I'll take a look right now.  It doesn't work on 64-bit, correct?  (At
> least that's how it's marked)
> - -- 
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Re: [Fink-devel] new wine(s)

2010-11-22 Thread Alexander Hansen
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Alexander Hansen
 wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 11/20/10 7:46 AM, Damian Dimmich wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The new wine packages have been in the tracker for a while and don't
>> seem to have been commited:
>>
>> The bleeding edge devel version 1.3.6:
>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3075933&group_id=17203&atid=414256
>>
>>
>> and the stable (v1.2)
>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3077940&group_id=17203&atid=414256
>>
>>
>> I have had reports like the below:
>>
>> Feedback: works for me
>>
>
> I'll take a look right now.  It doesn't work on 64-bit, correct?  (At
> least that's how it's marked)
> - --
> Alexander Hansen, Ph.D.
> Fink User Liaison
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
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>

wine-stable seems to be OK with respect to picking up gstreamer and
friends, and doesn't change how it builds on my clean vs. full setups.

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Re: [Fink-devel] new wine(s)

2010-11-22 Thread Alexander Hansen
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Damian Dimmich  wrote:
> Dear Alex,
>
> Feedback much appreciated.  In terms of the different builds - not all the
> packages are required to run wine.  I can add gst-plugins-base and gstreamer
> into the 'reccomends' section?

No.  They change what gets built and/or linked within the package.
You have to specify them as Depends (along with corresponding
BuildDepends) so that everybody builds the relevant stuff, or turn
them off explicitly for everybody.  Recommends won't suffice.

>
> What baffles me is that libgettext is not linked in one instance, when it is
> in the builddepends and depends lists - any ideas?

Possibly it's brought in via some of the other libraries that got
linked in that case.  glib2-shlibs is a likely candidate.

>
> Wrt - 10.4 - it probably won't work well on it, as the X version there is
> ancient, but I would not rule it out completely until someone tells me that
> it is unusable.
>

> Thank you very much for testing!
>
> Damian
>
> On 22/11/10 18:28, Alexander Hansen wrote:
>>
>> "wine" built differently depending on what I had installed.  For the
>> main wine package the debs even had different files in the different
>> cases.  You'll need to specify more dependencies or use flags to
>> exclude options.  Check the "wine" tracker item for more details.
>>
>> I'm currently looking at wine-stable.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Alexander Hansen
>>   wrote:
>>>
>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> On 11/20/10 7:46 AM, Damian Dimmich wrote:

 Hi All,

 The new wine packages have been in the tracker for a while and don't
 seem to have been commited:

 The bleeding edge devel version 1.3.6:


 https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3075933&group_id=17203&atid=414256


 and the stable (v1.2)


 https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3077940&group_id=17203&atid=414256


 I have had reports like the below:

 Feedback: works for me

>>> I'll take a look right now.  It doesn't work on 64-bit, correct?  (At
>>> least that's how it's marked)
>>> - --
>>> Alexander Hansen, Ph.D.
>>> Fink User Liaison
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>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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Re: [Fink-devel] new wine(s)

2010-11-22 Thread Damian Dimmich
Dear Alex,

Feedback much appreciated.  In terms of the different builds - not all 
the packages are required to run wine.  I can add gst-plugins-base and 
gstreamer into the 'reccomends' section?

What baffles me is that libgettext is not linked in one instance, when 
it is in the builddepends and depends lists - any ideas?

Wrt - 10.4 - it probably won't work well on it, as the X version there 
is ancient, but I would not rule it out completely until someone tells 
me that it is unusable.

Thank you very much for testing!

Damian

On 22/11/10 18:28, Alexander Hansen wrote:
> "wine" built differently depending on what I had installed.  For the
> main wine package the debs even had different files in the different
> cases.  You'll need to specify more dependencies or use flags to
> exclude options.  Check the "wine" tracker item for more details.
>
> I'm currently looking at wine-stable.
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Alexander Hansen
>   wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On 11/20/10 7:46 AM, Damian Dimmich wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> The new wine packages have been in the tracker for a while and don't
>>> seem to have been commited:
>>>
>>> The bleeding edge devel version 1.3.6:
>>>
>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3075933&group_id=17203&atid=414256
>>>
>>>
>>> and the stable (v1.2)
>>>
>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3077940&group_id=17203&atid=414256
>>>
>>>
>>> I have had reports like the below:
>>>
>>> Feedback: works for me
>>>
>> I'll take a look right now.  It doesn't work on 64-bit, correct?  (At
>> least that's how it's marked)
>> - --
>> Alexander Hansen, Ph.D.
>> Fink User Liaison
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Re: [Fink-devel] new wine(s)

2010-11-22 Thread Alexander Hansen
"wine" built differently depending on what I had installed.  For the
main wine package the debs even had different files in the different
cases.  You'll need to specify more dependencies or use flags to
exclude options.  Check the "wine" tracker item for more details.

I'm currently looking at wine-stable.

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Alexander Hansen
 wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 11/20/10 7:46 AM, Damian Dimmich wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The new wine packages have been in the tracker for a while and don't
>> seem to have been commited:
>>
>> The bleeding edge devel version 1.3.6:
>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3075933&group_id=17203&atid=414256
>>
>>
>> and the stable (v1.2)
>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3077940&group_id=17203&atid=414256
>>
>>
>> I have had reports like the below:
>>
>> Feedback: works for me
>>
>
> I'll take a look right now.  It doesn't work on 64-bit, correct?  (At
> least that's how it's marked)
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Re: [Fink-devel] new wine(s)

2010-11-20 Thread Alexander Hansen
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On 11/20/10 7:46 AM, Damian Dimmich wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> The new wine packages have been in the tracker for a while and don't
> seem to have been commited:
> 
> The bleeding edge devel version 1.3.6:
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3075933&group_id=17203&atid=414256
> 
> 
> and the stable (v1.2)
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3077940&group_id=17203&atid=414256
> 
> 
> I have had reports like the below:
> 
> Feedback: works for me
> 

I'll take a look right now.  It doesn't work on 64-bit, correct?  (At
least that's how it's marked)
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